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Phillip Daniels believes the 3-4 can work

Phillip Daniels said today that he and other leaders on defense are shocked by the unit's dismal performance through three games, and conceded that the Redskins' personnel performed better in a 4-3 alignment. But the veteran defensive end also expressed the belief that, given more time and increased commitment from the players, Jim Haslett's 3-4 scheme can work.

"It's shocking because we've played good defense over the years," Daniels said. "To give up that many points and give up the yards we're giving up, that's pretty sad for a defense of this caliber. We got the same players pretty much, and some better athletes out there with the draft picks. But to give up the yards we're giving up, it ain't good. What we do from here is look at what we're doing wrong and try to fix it."

The Redskins' defense ranks last in yards yielded per game at 423.7, which is 179.4 more than the league leading Ravens' unit. The Rams have not scored 30 points since October 2008, a span of 29 games.

"This [3-4] defense does work, and it's worked for a number of teams around this league," Daniels added. "We got to go out and believe in the defense and trust the calls and make plays. If we do that, we can get things back on track."

He also said too many of his teammates on defense are trying to do too much in an effort to turn things around.

"For the most part, we got guys that, I think, come out and try to do too much," he said. "They over-run the ball or not being where they are supposed to be or trying to do somebody else's job. Every man got a job to do on that field, and if you do your job, we'll be sound. If you're out there trying to do too much, then you hurt the defense."

Asked if some players are questioning the decision to switch to a 3-4 alignment, Daniels sidestepped the issue.

"I don't know," he said. "We got to play the defense that we're in, that's the bottom line. We have to play the defense we're in, and play well. If you look at it in hindsight, yeah we were a better 4-3 team. But now we're a 3-4 team, and we got to learn the system, make it work. Coach Shanahan put the stats on the board. It does work. You just have to believe in it. You believe in it, you can make it work for you."

By Tarik El-Bashir  | September 27, 2010; 2:36 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense  
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If not for the defense, and Hall in particular, the Skins start the season 0-1 to the hated Cowpies. The defense scored more than the offense against the Pies.

So let's defense won the first game and lost the second.

Yesterday, if EITHER the defense or offense stepped up, it's a winnable game. Again, 1 for 10 on 3rd down ain't gonna win many games. Three times deep in the Red Zone, and coming away with 9 points ain't gonna win many games.

Blame the defense sure, but blame the offense too. 1 for 10 on 3rd down against the Rams? Zorn could have done better.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Will the defenders please rise!

Posted by: iubiquity | September 27, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This is so stupid. What do you expect him to say? His old behind would be out of a job if he thought different.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 27, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So, one of the key components to a successful 3-4 defense is a strong Nose Tackle.

I haven't seen a breakdown of the game film, but I'll assume that the commentators here are correct and that Maake Kemoeatu is getting pushed around a lot.

So, what happens if Maake Kemoeatu -- our best Nose Tackle goes down with an injury? What's the back-up plan? Revert to a 4-3 in the middle of a game?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

it's all yours poopy

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 2:28 PM
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It's all mine? Nice. Reminds me of the opening scene in The Omen.

It's all for you Poopy, all for you.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

the reason the 3-4 wont work is bcus andre carte is not a linebacker he just looks so out of place hes the reason teams are able to run and exploit short yard passing to his side of the field he just sucks

Posted by: james_9123 | September 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

ID? Damn Charlie didn't ask for ID when I fought at La Choy, and Chun King. I saw my best friend's head explode at Margaret Cho........Why should I? Did my country give me a parade? No, man, they spat at me and...........Thank you. This closes the saddest chapter in American history.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

He also said too many of his teammates on defense are trying to do too much in an effort to turn things around.

By Tarik El-Bashir | September 27, 2010; 2:36 PM ET

Trying to do too much? Man, get real. What are they feeding you at the training table? Albert Haynesworth? Rodgers? Hall? Carter? These guys have been trying to do too little.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"They over-run the ball or not being where they are supposed to be or trying to do somebody else's job. Every man got a job to do on that field,..."


Team defense or scheme defense?

In any event, our D has more problems than a math book.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

It can work if you have the right players.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

poopy

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 2:56 PM |


very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very funny.

And butt for yesterday's loss, I'd laugh even louder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Posted by: hessone | September 27, 2010 1:52 PM

Talking heads...dude chopping his forarm with in the video. Right?

Posted by: smokeybear2 | September 27, 2010 2:57 PM

Posted by: smokeybear2 | September 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

A lot of guys here now will not be on this team 2 years from now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 27, 2010 2:55 PM |

God I hope you're right. The guy interviewed in this thread needs to go now along with Carter. Go, just leave...now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Ray

"It can work if you have the right players."


Agreed.

I think we have an issue of competing visions:

1. Shanny wants to put in systems on defense and offense, and grade for the long term which players stick around.

2. Fans what to win now not thinking about the long term.

I watched a very good Kansas City Chiefs team yesterday that has a mix of Herm Edwards' guys playing R Crennel and T Haley's systems.

(All S Pioli did was draft players who fit in where Herm Edwards' leftovers didn't.)

In other words, the chiefs went through what we did, and, so far, have come out with a surprise 3-0 team after some very bad seasons.

And the more I think about it, it seems this is how Shaany and BA see re-building this team.

For the long-term, and not now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The only thing of note in the Shanny presser is that Clinton admitted to flopping. His hand was bothering him, and he was concerned that the defenders would strip the ball unless he dropped to the ground to protect it. Shanny agreed that Clinton's hand to do with Gravy Torain getting more reps.

Posted by: swowra | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

There's no denying that we have holes but as great as this staff is supposed to be, you easily beat the Rams....

Posted by: dcwun

WTF have you been watching for the past decade? Easily beat the rams, this is the NFL not korean flag fball league.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

If this team is rebuilding they need to hire that Holmes on Homes guy.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Based on Shanny statements in just-concluded presser, sounds like CP26 may be used mostly in 3d down situations from here on out. Interesting.

Posted by: manlius1 | September 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Philip Daniels may be an old man, and he has been prone to injury over the last few years, but you can't find fault in his play this year. The guy is beastly strong and he can stand up defenders. His athletic play to block that field goal was a thing of beauty for a big guy to move like that.

One would think, even though they aren't the protoypical nose tackle's size, that Daniels and Carriker could rotate at the nose tackle spot simply because of their strength. If Kemoeatu is getting pushed around, then maybe this is something they could do. Put Haynesworth and Golston at ends with a rotation of Jarmin and Vonnie Holiday. Bolster the middle by moving Alexander and Carter inside and Fletch outside. I wonder how that would work.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 27, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop i read this blog all the time and you are annoying. but ive realized if i just dont read your post i stay calm its only a matter of time that MistaMoe's laughter turns it to hate towards you leave this blog for scampbell1975 rmcazz and the other logical posters(sorry if i left u out) to post stuff on the team. not on how big your turds are at commercial breaks!!..

Posted by: patljr7 | September 27, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

WTF have you been watching for the past decade? Easily beat the rams, this is the NFL not korean flag fball league.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM

The dude is still playing Madden 2006. He hasn't kept up with changes in the game.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with posting how big your turds are?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 27, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Shanahan put the stats on the board. It does work."

I've got some stats for you, Phil...whatever, it's not worth it.


Anyways. He basically said it - this is a 4-3 team. And if this season is going to be wasted by auditioning a bunch of 4-3 guys only to get rid of half of them at season's end, then you can scratch off next season too since half the starters will be new and they will have to rework the unit.

By the time, it gets up and running in Year 3, McNabb will be on the last year of his extension.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

And the more I think about it, it seems this is how Shaany and BA see re-building this team.

For the long-term, and not now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse


And do you think this move for McNabb was made with the "long-term" in mind?

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

And the more I think about it, it seems this is how Shaany and BA see re-building this team.

For the long-term, and not now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse


And do you think this move for McNabb was made with the "long-term" in mind?

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2010 3:22 PM

You know what? The McNabb move is the one thing that doesn't fit what this team seems to be trying to do (the more I think about it) Galloway and Buchanon are a 1 or 2 year stopgaps, but I think Maake, Carriker, young RB's, Trent and Jammal are moves for the future. I sure hope anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

WTF have you been watching for the past decade? Easily beat the rams, this is the NFL not korean flag fball league.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM

The dude is still playing Madden 2006. He hasn't kept up with changes in the game.

Posted by: beep-beep

Say whatever you want but man for man the Skins roster is much better than the Rams. That's a fact. Coaching played a big part in this loss.

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If this team is rebuilding they need to hire that Holmes on Homes guy.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM


I believe his name is Holmes.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

These are the players we should care about with regards to the 3-4:

Orakpo
Landry
Haynesworth
Carriker
McIntosh
Moore
Alexander
Kemoeatu
Jarmon
Riley
Blades
Henson

These are players that will factor into the future. Forget about Carter; he's on the last year of his deal here. Forget about LBF; although he's been excellent for us, he's an aging vet that could suffer the effects of time at any moment. Forget about Daniels and Holliday; they're stop-gaps. Forget about corners; they largely operate independent from the defensive front 7's alignment. I don't see their role changing from an aggressive 4-3 to an aggressive 3-4 in many ways.

The real issue is whether the core of players listed above fit the 3-4. IMO, most of them do.

Orakpo, Landry, McIntosh, and Carriker in particular are benefiting from this defense. Orakpo gets moved around and attacks from all angles, McIntosh looks like a natural reading the flow and hitting getting to the ball, and Landry + Carriker have obviously been head and shoulders better in this defense than their previous one.

Moore flashed real potential as a ball-hawking safety. That INT was one only a few players league-wide would make. He needs work in run support.

Alexander was built as a do-it-all player, which fits this defense perfectly. He can play OLB, DE, NT, and they're even giving him emergency responsibility as an ILB.

Kemo looks like a mistake. I don't believe this is a result of the 3-4, however. He looks like he has not regained his physical ability. I can't see him being effective in any scheme. He's being pushed back 4-5 yards way too consistently to be effective anywhere. And it's not like he's a quick guy either. Plain and simple, this could end up being a bad FA signing.

Jarmon is hurt by this transition. He is coming of an ACL tear, so it may be growing pains in his recovery, or he just may not be fit to play in the 3-4 at any time.

Riley/Blades/Henson. Riley was drafted for the 3-4, Blades was not, Henson looked good in preseason. These guys are all unknowns in this defense.

Haynesworth. I have no idea what to make of this, except for the obvious facts that (a) Haynesworth doesn't like his role, and (b) the coaches are miffed at him. He showed flashes of dominance yesterday, but was only used sparingly. I continue to believe he could be excellent in this defense, but it looks like we may never get a chance to find out. If he's not a major facet of the gameplan next week, then nothing will spark the coaches' interest in seeing how he plays in the system.

I'm willing to give this D time. If the FO is committed to building around Orakpo, Landry, McIntosh, and Carriker, then I think this scheme has the opportunity for success. It will take some major investments in the offseason however, particularly at nose tackle and OLB.

Posted by: psps23 | September 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

And do you think this move for McNabb was made with the "long-term" in mind?

Touche.

Signing McNabb suggests 'win-now'.

But even there, Shanallen had to look at this Swiss Cheese roster and realize that signing #5 wouldn't fill all the holes in it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Say whatever you want but man for man the Skins roster is much better than the Rams. That's a fact. Coaching played a big part in this loss.


Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM

That is far from fact.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

To inject a little levity into a gloomy, angst-filled Monday, here's a fun read:

http://tinyurl.com/2uf27ds


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Posted by: freakzilla | September 27, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Beeps

Posted by: wireman65 | September 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Say whatever you want but man for man the Skins roster is much better than the Rams. That's a fact. Coaching played a big part in this loss.

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM

This is a load. You've fallen for the hype, big time. Go read the Tom Boswell article:

"For years, we've seen these Redskins lose to franchises that are in the midst of horrific multi-year catastrophes. In part, it's because the Redskins receive so much more attention and adulation than they have earned in the last 19 years that the players are seduced into thinking they are significantly better than they are. Maybe all of us, the whole town, is partly to blame. But the team's internal culture of big salaries, fat reputations and past glories (often in other towns), makes it an ideal upset victim.

"When a 6-10 team thinks it's a 10-6 team, this is what happens."

This team is its record: 4-10 last year, 1-2 this year. Keep believing that it's better, more talented, than the Rams. Yesterday proved you wrong.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 27, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Holmes on Homes guy."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM

Had a visual of autofellatio for a sec.

R.I.P. Holmes.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | September 27, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM

That is far from fact.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Really? Please....
Go through the rosters first. Steven Jackson is the only clerar advantage.

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

30 front does NOT start with carter as OLB it starts with NT if NT is not holding or driving the center back this scheme will not work and it is not working, carter is NOT a OLB fair enough but NT is not doing the job, haslett if he has any sense should start bryant at NT and let haynesworth and carriker also play there sit keomoatu down,play more (not all)4-3 set.

Posted by: wathu19 | September 27, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

psps23:

I like the part about forget the corners, because they are indeed forgettable, just average. Reagardless of this town's infatuation with Landry, he can't cover and never will be able to. If you had a terrific free safety he could play strong, but you don't. This is one of the reasons Haslett has bounced from job to job, always running his scheme, never adapting it to the players he has.

Orakpo is a stud, but the rest are just journeyman at LB. Carriker is ok, but Haynesworth could never play in this D and everybody knows it.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 27, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Here is the problem with the skins 3-4 defense the nose tackle is their weak spot because of hes still recovering from achilles heal injury so why not give he's backup a shot to see what he can do either anthony bryant or also what they don't have is that outside linebacker to complement orakpo as for the inside backers they are okay so are the secondary this is just the defense on offense this team needs offensive line upgraded from leftguard all the way to right guard bring in help at wr to take pressure away from santana moss and look for franchise quarterback for the future they are fine at running back and tight end.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | September 27, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

If this team is rebuilding they need to hire that Holmes on Homes guy.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 27, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

LM@O...usually I think your posts are inane, but this one struck pay dirt.

HTTR

Posted by: Southernbelle_aurora | September 27, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Say whatever you want but man for man the Skins roster is much better than the Rams. That's a fact. Coaching played a big part in this loss.

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Since I like to play devils advocate...man for man the Cowb!tche$ are better than us...and we won (and to take it a step further...think of last yr when we played Dall-a$$ at home. We out-played them, but they won by the skin of their teeth). Coaching had little if anything to do with that. Any given Sunday my friend. We played like a Pop Warner team, and Spags took us to town for it. Plain and simple start really. Find your op's weakness and exploit it. If our players heads hadn't been in their collective ar$e$, we could've won.

HTTR

Posted by: Southernbelle_aurora | September 27, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The 3-4 defense is, for the Redskins, absolutely WORTHLESS!

The personnel, with the exception of Orakpo (aka ErraticPo) are 4-3 guys & are out of their element.

Instead of trying to be trendy & going to the 3-4, the Skins should have saved their cash, stuck with the 4-3 & got what they really needed- 2 decent CBs.

Rogers can’t cover or catch. Hall can’t cover or tackle.

You can’t play the 3-4 effectively without 2 shutdown CBs & a NT. If you don’t believe me, look at the Patriots' decline into mediocrity over the last few years.

The 3-4 is an excuse not to find & develop defensive line talent. Teams put 1 fat guy at NT, 2 medium weight linemen at DEs, & hope that the NT can force a double team & the unblocked LB makes the tackle.

Kemoeatu tries hard at NT, but his body is shot, due to the injuries, & he can be effectively blocked one on one.

After the other NFL teams saw the films of the Dallas game, they knew that the Skins DBs were vulnerable & everyone will throw on them first, & run second.

What we have seen so far this season will be repeated every Sunday.

Anyone who thought Shanahan & Allen were the saviors was sadly mistaken.

Had the Skins stuck with the 4-3, they could have realized some of their investment in Haynesworth. He appears to have actually shown up in better shape than usual for training camp. However, Shanahan is attempting to force a round peg into a square hole, & wasting a fortune. Albert is a 4-3 DT & will NEVER be a NT. It’s not in either his mindset or in his DNA.

Although I have little use for & less patience with Albert’s antics, I have to side with him on not wanting to play NT in the 3-4. I took enough snaps there during practice when I played in college to know that NT is a dog’s life.

In conclusion, folks, the 3-4 means 3 or 4 (total) victories this season for the Skins. The Skins opponents are drooling with anticipation for an opportunity to throw on the Skins.

I wonder who will be the next head coach.?

Posted by: FormerBullisBulldog | September 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

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