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Redskins' switch to a 3-4 defense is all about creating turnovers

We've written a lot about the Redskins' shift from the 4-3 base defense they've used successfully for many seasons to a hybrid 3-4 alignment that new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett is in the process of installing.

In emails I've received, some Insider readers have suggested Coach Mike Shanahan is making changes simply for the sake of change. Defense, for the most part, has not been the Redskins' biggest problem over the past six seasons, many readers wrote, and Shanahan should be focusing on the bigger problem of rebuilding an offensive line that has been in a state of disrepair for years.

Well, I agree that Washington's defense is not the main reason the team has missed the playoffs in eight of 11 seasons under owner Daniel Snyder. And Insider readers know where I stand on management's performance with regard to the mess they created along the offensive line.

Shanahan, however, is not simply making changes for no good reason. I don't buy that line of thinking at all. The defense is in the process of being revamped because the defense hasn't provided what Shanahan wants most: turnovers.

Although the Redskins again had a top-10 unit (they ranked 10th in yards per game) last season, they had only 17 turnovers with 11 interceptions and six fumble recoveries. In terms of turnover differential, the Redskins ranked only 28th in the league at minus-11.
The Cleveland Browns, St. Louis Rams, Oakland Raiders and Detroit Lions were the only teams that had worse differentials. That's not the type of neighborhood in which Shanahan wants to reside.

The league is making the shift to 3-4 alignments because, in part, it gives defensive coordinators more flexibility to disguise coverages with four linebackers usually on the field, a former offensive coordinator said recently. But Shanahan's desire for more turnovers is the driving force behind the Redskins' change. He believes the 3-4 will help that happen.

"Get turnovers, get the ball back to our offense to score points or score points ourselves - that's what it's about," top cornerback DeAngelo Hall said the other day. "An interesting fact they [the coaching staff] brought up was that, yeah, we've had top-ranked defenses, but [near] last in turnover margin as far as getting the ball.

"You've got other teams like New Orleans that finished 25th in defense but they're [third] in turnover margin and they won the Super Bowl. It was definitely an eye-opener. It's definitely something we're going to be focusing on this offseason to get better at it. Believe that."

By Jason Reid  |  March 16, 2010; 1:17 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Jim Haslett , Mike Shanahan  
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Turnovers... I've heard that word somewhere before but as a Redskin fan it's only faintly ringing a bell...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 16, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"He will take over the running back position," said Vermeil, who coached Johnson in Kansas City from 2003 to '05. "That's what I think. He'll push that guy right out of a job."

Vermeil then proceeded to go on a 15-minute crying jag.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 16, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

RUSSELL OKUNG!!!!

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Like most folks, I haven't had a decent raise in more than 5 years, but my boss, who makes $320,000 plus a 2% annual bonus tells me that, "Hey, in this economy, be thankful you have a job."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM |

Dude - I ain't seen a whole lot of you posts but I seen enough to know that you boss is right. Since this is the bracketology times let's put it this way - you one of the last four in, wherever you be blogging from. You a Utah St or UTEP. But it could be worse. You could be a Va Tech.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 16, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I know I've called the Mayor out on occasion for what I see as biased reporting (it's allowed, it's a blog).

But I do have to say, his interview of The Shan a week or so ago was very good. And Coarch made it a point to answer JReid's question fully and articulately, ignoring other peripheral reporters' interjections.

Kudos where due! I'll buy his posts related to this.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Ganther is still listed on the team roster.

You say he's gone, but the team website says he's still here.

In any event, I'd still like to see a young'n get a shot at running back.

My choices?:

M Hardesty

B Tate

J Dwyer

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Moe. Do you think if we get Okung at #4, we should use #37 on a rb? That's the only way we would get any of these guys, since we don't have a third(at least, not at the moment). I guess Tate could fall to our 4th round pick.

On Ganther, I heard he went to talk to Seattle, but I haven't heard that he was signed.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Dude - I ain't seen a whole lot of you posts but I seen enough to know that you boss is right. Since this is the bracketology times let's put it this way - you one of the last four in, wherever you be blogging from. You a Utah St or UTEP. But it could be worse. You could be a Va Tech.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 16, 2010 1:27 PM |

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 16, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan, however, is not simply making changes for no good reason. I don't buy that line of thinking at all"

Good, because to think that he's making this change just for the sake of change, is stupid, and without merit...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

***Repost for Moe, since sometimes he likes to admire his handwork and leave his finger on the SUBMIT key like a shooter leaves their hand in the air...

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:13 PM

C'MON Moe-

The teams website still has Levi and Yoder on the roster. It's never updated.

Use this from now on:

http://www.hogshaven.com/roster

Sometimes when it's someone's job to cover a team it's just a job (RI, Redskins.com). Just look at us wasting countless hours daily on the Skins because we choose to...that's the same choice the fine people at HOGSHAVEN have made.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 1:22 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Per PFT:

Ganther to visit Seahawks
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 15, 2010 8:43 PM ET
The Seahawks let Mike Bell leave town without an offer sheet, and now are moving on to another unheralded running back.

Former Redskin Quinton Ganther will visit the team Wednesday according to the Seattle Times. Ganther played under Seahawks running backs coach Sherman Smith when Smith was the offensive coordinator in Washington.

Ganther is likely looked upon as a special teamer and deep reserve. Any improvements the Seahawks make at running back will likely have to come in the draft.


_________________________________________

I'd keep him if it's $$ feasible, but new blood would work, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think if we get Okung at #4, we should use #37 on a rb?"

If Okung is gone at #4, then we have some issues.

But in terms of backs, I'd take the best one availiable in round 4.

And Ben Tate--AUBURN should be that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Can we find out what Greg Kinnear's opinion is of Larry Jonnson?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

lmao@alex

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Is this good enough RI content for everybody?

If Suh is there at #4, I would think someone would want to trade up for him. If not, I think we have to take him... the guy is the best player in the draft.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 16, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about some readers, but this one thinks Shanahan is making changes because Zorn and Blache's schemes sucked hippo nuts.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 16, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Assuming Okung is gone, that is.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 16, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Ben Tate will not fall to the 4th round.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Okung is gone at #4, then we have some issues.

But in terms of backs, I'd take the best one availiable in round 4.

And Ben Tate--AUBURN should be that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse
I can agree with 4th round selection of rb.

And I think we are fine even if my first choice at #4(Okung) has been selected. As TWISI stated earlier, we would have a shot at #4 at either (Suh or McCoy) or Berry. And there is a strong chance that someone would then want to trade up to #4. Depending on who (what #1 we would get in trade), we could possibly still get Bulaga.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins' switch to a 3-4 defense is all about creating turnovers"

The need for turnovers is why some of us have been so adamant about using a hybrid style defensive attack.

Last year, as mistamayor points out, the skins got sacks, but no turnovers.

And if the change in scheme is so important, let's repeat some earlier assertions: if Okung is gone at #4, the E Berry is the most logical choice.

But I take Berry and he plays corner with Hall.

C Rogers plays more safety/corner.

We then have a defense that has more cover guys, and two above average athletes at corner (Hall/Berry).

(I can hear the jokes now: Halle Berry is the skins new cornerback.)

Berry's athleticism gives the skins secondary the type of athlete/player it hasn't had since numbers 21 and 28 roamed the field.

And we all remember how special those guys were.

And Berry is that special.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

And Ben Tate--AUBURN should be that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Dixon out of Miss. St could be an option as well.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 16, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh man do I hope Dick Vermeil is right... I would love for Larry to come in play well and push CP26 out of a job.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

hippo nuts.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 16, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse
Is this a new Hawaiian product ready to hit the west coast?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran predicts the future at NFL Draft Dog

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Why Shanahan would go QB, why MacLain makes sense, why Snyder's pilots are so freaking lonely....

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Screw the 3-4 lets go to the 4-6

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

If Suh is there at #4, I would think someone would want to trade up for him. If not, I think we have to take him... the guy is the best player in the draft.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 16, 2010 1:37 PM

In back to back drafts, Orakpo and Suh. Could do worse.

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

hippo nuts.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 16, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse
Is this a new Hawaiian product ready to hit the west coast?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Nah, just another wacky zorn idea that failed upon arrival, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 16, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

But I take Berry and he plays corner with Hall.

C Rogers plays more safety/corner.

We then have a defense that has more cover guys, and two above average athletes at corner (Hall/Berry).

(I can hear the jokes now: Halle Berry is the skins new cornerback.)

Berry's athleticism gives the skins secondary the type of athlete/player it hasn't had since numbers 21 and 28 roamed the field.

And we all remember how special those guys were.

And Berry is that special.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse
Interesting, Moe. I would have thought CR was the stronger cover guy, and you would use Hall as a deep zone guy. CR was successful for part of last year covering the #1 wr. And that would allow Hall to sit back there and cherry-pick any overthrows. I know he doesn't tackle as well. Only drawback of putting him back deep.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Another back to keep an eye on is Michael Smith from Arkansas. He fit's the profile of the "Slaton" type RB/ He should be there in the 6th or 7th round.

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

alex,
I like it. 4-6 = -2
3-4 is only equal to -1

-2 is minus 1 more than -1.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 16, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

So have there been any dodgeball sightings at the park?

I know that was one of Zorns drills.

Forgive my ignorance, but where did Zorn end up?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

You have to remember Greg Bland is gone. Berry would play FS. No more playing players out of their position and not to their strengths.

I wouldn’t be shocked if TB snags Berry and we are “stuck” with Suh or McCoy.

We could also trade our #4 to Cleveland for their #7 and their 7th pick in the 3rd rd.

Seattle takes Clausen to sit behind Delhomme for a year.
Skins take Bulaga @ #7 and LeFevour in the 3rd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If Suh is there at #4, I would think someone would want to trade up for him. If not, I think we have to take him... the guy is the best player in the draft.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 16, 2010 1:37 PM

In back to back drafts, Orakpo and Suh. Could do worse.

Posted by: TWISI

As badly as we need to rebuild the OL, if Suh is the beast everyone says he is, then getting him at #4 would be OK.

I do think Suh, if available, would make it easier to trade that pick.

Every draft pick we used in 2009 was on defense except for E Williams in rd 7. So a lopsided draft on offense/OL would simply restore balance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran predicts the future at NFL Draft Dog

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Why Shanahan would go QB, why MacLain makes sense, why Snyder's pilots are so freaking lonely....

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey corkie. Pass kudos on to John C, would you?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 1:51 PM

I'm really hoping the draft goes Bradford #1, Okung #2. The board will set up very nicely for the Skins at that point.

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Right now Zorn is throwing his balls at Flacco. Shannahan is crazy, he thinks you can better prep a QB through practice and film study and not by throwing balls at people.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure where Suh would play in our new 3-4... guess he would have to move outside and play there as people say he is not a nose tackle kind of guy...

Looking at that we can see an example of how that does not work all to well... Kansas City drafted glen dorsey a few years ago, that DT from LSU (i think right?)... they moved to a 3-4 that year and they moved dorsey outside to play end in their scheme.... he is now considered to be a bust in that scheme and has not panned out nearly the way people expected... If Suh falls to us and we cannot trade out of the pick, it might not work out the best for us, even if Suh is a monster as a DT that doesn't mean he'd be one as a de in a 3-4.

However, he does play the run extremely well so maybe he could make the transition better than Dorsey could..

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

alex,
I like it. 4-6 = -2
3-4 is only equal to -1

-2 is minus 1 more than -1.

Posted by: _Stumped

Brilliant. Deserves a to be in a Guiness commercial

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if they (LJ & CP) are both pushing each other, isn't that what it's all about?

In that scenario, we should end up getting good production out of one or even both of them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 16, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Another back to keep an eye on is Michael Smith from Arkansas. He fit's the profile of the "Slaton" type RB/ He should be there in the 6th or 7th round.

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse
The charts I'm reading don't think MSmith will get drafted. Isn't he just like AA?

cheyenne, JZ ended up in Balt as QB coach.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh, Carlos. Is there writing on the wall? Does it say "Trade Bait?"

Posted by: closer44 | March 16, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I just looked at some running back ratings and maybe Ben Tate will be available in the 4th round. I would stay away from him though because I question his passion for the game. Seems like he might not have a good work ethic and just relies on his talent to get by.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"You have to remember Greg Bland is gone. Berry would play FS. No more playing players out of their position and not to their strengths."

Point-taken.

I've watched a another of Volunteer games, and Berry is a dynamic player.

So if you bring him in to play free, what becomes of C Horton--a fine player--and R Doughty--another fine player--once Landry is moved to strong safety?

Moving Berry to corner gives us a Revis-type player, one who'd force teams to throw away from.

He'd also allow the defense to use it coverages more creatively.

But you're right, Blache is gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Since I do not have an AFC team that I care remorely about. I may have to keep an eye on Flacco and the Ravens. I always liked Jim Zorn...it just was not his time yet.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

IMO there is no way we should be taking another safety in the top 5.....but if for some reason we did, you don't take the supposedly best FS prospect in 10 years and put him at corner while putting a corner with the worst hands in the league at a ballhawking spot. That's straight tard. IF you take Berry you play him at FS where he belongs and you move LL30 back to SS. We have to stop playing people out of position.

I've read in a lot of places and most major mock drafts have us taking Clausen. Personally, I don't know if that's the best call or not but if Shanny goes that way I'll take his opinion of Campbell and our needs of ours and I'm fine with it. IMO Kemo was the piece we needed to make the defensive transition work. The draft needs to be about offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 16, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Now all they have to do is take LeGarrette Blount in the 5th round and they'll be set at RB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 16, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is best at covering short to intermediate routes. He's aggressive and good at jumping short routes which resulted in him dropping so many interceptions and getting burned on double moves.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Isnt Blount the guy that sucker-punched that other guy?

Sean Penn wants to know.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Can Berry move ot corner? Its not as simple as a switch from corner to safety, which is done often and with a decent amount of success...

Corner is a much harder position that intensifies the microscope on a player... can Berry handle the pressure of 1 on 1 coverage play after play after play... is he good enough in coverage to go 1 on 1 with a teams top wrs? Or is he good in coverage simply because hes going up against TEs or a RBs or occassionally a WR 1 on 1 but is usually there as a 2nd man?? I can't say I watched enough of his games to know this?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 1:57 PM

1-Bradford
2-Okung
3-McCoy/Suh
4-Trade back/McCoy/Suh/Berry

In that scenario the Skins should have an opportunity to trade back but this is such a deep draft that they would have to throw the Trade Value Chart out the window and hope for a mid range 1st, 3rd, and possible 2011 pick.

I think with Holmgren in Seattle and with him giving 7 mil for 1 year to Delhomme. They are primed candidate to draft Clausen and have him sit for a year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Horton and Dought would provide depth and play special teams.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I always liked Jim Zorn...it just was not his time yet.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse
Good guy, just got in way over his head. And then I don't think he surrouded himself with the best assts.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The charts I'm reading don't think MSmith will get drafted. Isn't he just like AA?

cheyenne, JZ ended up in Balt as QB coach.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 2:02 PM

He is. AA has fumble issues. I just noticed the Smith is injured (cbs sports). Not sure how bad it is. Could be why he won't get drafted.

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

from PFT
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal(Is this BTG?) on March 16, 2010 1:53 PM ET
The Chiefs have a right guard.

Ryan Lilja signed with the team Tuesday, according to Josh Looney on Chiefs Live from the team's website.

Lilja started every game during the Colts' run to the Super Bowl in 2009, but the team wanted to get bigger on the offensive line and didn't want to pay Lilja more than $4 million in 2010.

We doubt Lilja got that much from the Chiefs, which should make him a nice value. The Chiefs were desperate for a right guard after losing Wade Smith and cutting Mike Goff.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Lilja | #65 | G

Indianapolis Colts | Official Team Site

Height: 6-2 Weight: 290 Age: 28

Born: 10/15/1981 Kansas City , MO

College: Kansas State

Experience: 7th season

High School: Shawnee Mission Northwest HS

Just signed with KC. Really would have loved it if he signed with the redskins. Brucie being a little to cheap?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if this has already been posted but ESPN.com has an article on the NFL Home page re whether the Skins should draft a QB at #4.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12065/the-big-question-qb-for-the-redskins

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Turnovers... I've heard that word somewhere before but as a Redskin fan it's only faintly ringing a bell...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 16, 2010 1:25 PM

Let me remind you: apple turnovers, peach turnovers, cherry turnovers. You can learn all about 'em on the Food Network.

Where you hear it around here is coach turnover: Turner, Robiskie, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn, Shanahan.

Not enough turnover on the Redskins? Ah, if only Schottenheimer'd had a second year. Or Turner, another decade.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of mail I get at work:

Dear Mistamoe,
I am a 38-year-old widower. Three years ago, my wife passed away after a long illness. Our son was not quite 4. Since her death, my focus has been exclusively on him and my work. I have had no social life. I recently hired a woman to take care of my son until I get home from work. The woman is 24 years old, a complete hottie, and my son adores her. She doesn't speak a word of Englsih and is completely obedient. Here's the "problem." She just told me she has a serious crush on me and is restless in her relationship.

What do I do, Moe?


First, explain to me how you have a 'problem'.

Then fire your babysitter and send her my way.

I'll teach her some English.

A a few other things.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone is listening to Dukes and LaVar.

But name for portis and johnson
Portajohn

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

funny, LS. Unfortunately, true, also.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth leaves Redskins workouts, asks to be traded
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 16, 2010 2:29 PM ET
Frustated with the possibility that he'll be forced to play nose-tackle, 100-Million dollar man Albert Haynesworth walked out of workouts at Redskins Park, and said he wasn't coming back. Pressed on what he meant, Haynesworth went on to say that he thinks possibly made a mistake signing with the Redskins, and he wished to be traded. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if this has already been posted but ESPN.com has an article on the NFL Home page re whether the Skins should draft a QB at #4.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12065/the-big-question-qb-for-the-redskins

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I had read this already but it brings up a fair point about the Parcell's model. What it doesn't really discuss is that was a very weak year for QBs in general. Matt Ryan went 3rd and Flacco at 18th were the only QBs in the first round. Flacco at the time was considered a bit of a reach. Not too mention, Chad Henne hasn't exactly proven he is a long term viable QB yet either, he was mediocre at best and Miami regressed and missed the playoffs under him.

In this draft there are two guys that most everyone but Todd McShay readily admit are first round caliber guys. IMO if after the "hours of tape" that Shanny has watched of Clausen convinces him that he's a franchise caliber QB you grab him when you can. Take a tackle in round 2 and another one in round 1 next year after you let JC play this season out or you trade JC and a 2011 pick to get back into round 1 this season and go tackle, tackle behind Clausen. Hopefully/probably we won't be picking this high again next year and the chances of drafting a franchise QB outside of the top 20 of round 1 aren't very good. IF Shanny believes Clausen can be that guy that has to be the pick. If he has any doubt though then the pick should be the tackle and see what happens next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 16, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't know whether Vermeil is right or not... as both backs are getting on in years already... and some hungry young pup could probably unseat the both of them.

But I do look forward to hearing that LJ27 punched CP26 in the mouth... if only just because, just because.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 16, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Good One Greg

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

lmao@Beaner!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I think with Holmgren in Seattle and with him giving 7 mil for 1 year to Delhomme. They are primed candidate to draft Clausen and have him sit for a year.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

Ummm, Holmgren is in Cleveland

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I agree that if MS thinks that Clausen is the right pick, then who are we to argue. What I don't get is why you think that MS is looking at Clausen. So far the talking heads were wrong on how the Skins would handle FA, so not sure where you are getting MS wants Clausen. Surely there are more pressing needs than drafting a QB this season and IMO, MS knows that too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I think with Holmgren in Seattle and with him giving 7 mil for 1 year to Delhomme. They are primed candidate to draft Clausen and have him sit for a year.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

Ummm, Holmgren is in Cleveland

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:34 PM

Thanks...meant Cleveland. But with the signing of Delhomme and having the 7th pik in the draft I'm sure you knew that.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I freaked out when I read it and looked at the poster and felt a sigh of relief

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth went on to say that he thinks possibly made a mistake signing with the Redskins, and he wished to be traded. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 2:28 PM

Any second now...

Posted by: edvar | March 16, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

...while putting a corner with the worst hands in the league at a ballhawking spot. That's straight tard.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 16, 2010 2:04 PM

While it would be pretty funny to watch, if you're trying to get turnovers it is indeed straight tart.

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 16, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If Suh or McCoy are the best player available at #4, I say scrap the 3-4 and use the 4-3. Go with Albert + rookie in the middle, move Carter to LDE and Orakpo at the RDE. Each guy is a matchup problem for an OL.

The biggest issue in creating turnovers was the secondary. We have the talent, Shanahan and Haslett need to change the attitude.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth leaves Redskins workouts, asks to be traded
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 16, 2010 2:29 PM ET
Frustated with the possibility that he'll be forced to play nose-tackle, 100-Million dollar man Albert Haynesworth walked out of workouts at Redskins Park, and said he wasn't coming back. Pressed on what he meant, Haynesworth went on to say that he thinks possibly made a mistake signing with the Redskins, and he wished to be traded. Stay tuned.

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can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Just signed with KC. Really would have loved it if he signed with the redskins. Brucie being a little to cheap?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 16, 2010 2:14 PM |

Or maybe he knows what Indy knew when they cut him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time the Redskins scored a defensive TD?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Man, the CP h8tred is ridic.

I understand you're frustrated w/ the guy, but what's w/ all the personal SJK?!

It's not like he did anything reprehensible to ANYONE! Which LJ DID!

So I guess I'll put all y'all in the camp that it's ok to disparage based on sexual preference, brandish firearms against women and beat them up, etc. But think it's NOT OK to legitimately call SJKheads out on their SJKups.

I think CPo will bounce back, but fully understand if he doesn't. And don't really care one way or the other, as long as we're playing well (notice I didn't say 'winning').

But for you guys taking CPo's outspokenness to heart - I sure hope LJ takes this gig seriously...and that you're not crying this same game come November.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

IF Okung is gone, maybe someone will trade up for Suh/ McCoy and we could get 1st and 3rd, snag McClain with 1st rounder and get OL in 2nd and RB in 3rd...in a perfect world. That would fill 3 holes immediately!

Moe, those and the hey, I want to send you 36M dollars are the best emails.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I agree that if MS thinks that Clausen is the right pick, then who are we to argue. What I don't get is why you think that MS is looking at Clausen. So far the talking heads were wrong on how the Skins would handle FA, so not sure where you are getting MS wants Clausen. Surely there are more pressing needs than drafting a QB this season and IMO, MS knows that too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

You think an offensive guru with the #4 overall pick hasn't looked at the top two QB prospects extensively? I'm not saying he's going to draft him or he won't, I have no idea, and I like that I don't. We're finally being run like a professional organization and keeping our cards close to our chest. That said, I can't imagine any scenario where an offensive coach famous for his love of preparation and film study (he spent last season tour successful programs and in a self supplied office studying tape when a guy like Spurrier would have been on the golf course) hasn't spent extensive time examining every single potential option at #4 which at the very least Clausen is an option. IMO Shanny already has a strong opinion of both Bradford and Clausen and we just have to wait and see what he does.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 16, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth leaves Redskins workouts, asks to be traded
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 16, 2010 2:29 PM ET
Frustated with the possibility that he'll be forced to play nose-tackle, 100-Million dollar man Albert Haynesworth walked out of workouts at Redskins Park, and said he wasn't coming back. Pressed on what he meant, Haynesworth went on to say that he thinks possibly made a mistake signing with the Redskins, and he wished to be traded. Stay tuned.

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can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, you can. I'm disappointed.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 16, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone is listening to Dukes and LaVar.


Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 2:23 PM

LAvar and Dukes are starting to wear on me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"You think an offensive guru with the #4 overall pick hasn't looked at the top two QB prospects extensively?"

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I believe that's "Offensive Mastermind" to you, sir.

Posted by: edvar | March 16, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I will wait til Pro Days to see about the QB's, we wont really know anything until then.

I do know this, I am not a Clausen fan and the thought of watching him stay in the green room ala Quinn, wouldnt break my heart.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 16, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time the Redskins scored a defensive TD?


Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 16, 2010 2:45 PM

LFB INT vs. the Cards! I was sitting in the corner End Zone where he jumped over the goal line. That was awsome!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

How awesome was that when Brady Quinn was just sitting there trying NOT to look at the camera that was about a foot and a half away from his face.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone is listening to Dukes and LaVar.


Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 2:23 PM

LAvar and Dukes are starting to wear on me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 2:49 PM |

Are they Skin bashing as normal, is Lavar blaming Snyder again for the fact that he hired an agent who can't read.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth leaves Redskins workouts, asks to be traded
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 16, 2010 2:29 PM ET
Frustated with the possibility that he'll be forced to play nose-tackle, 100-Million dollar man Albert Haynesworth walked out of workouts at Redskins Park, and said he wasn't coming back. Pressed on what he meant, Haynesworth went on to say that he thinks possibly made a mistake signing with the Redskins, and he wished to be traded. Stay tuned.

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can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:43 PM

Well, you could, but who would do that?

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 16, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks...meant Cleveland. But with the signing of Delhomme and having the 7th pik in the draft I'm sure you knew that.

Posted by: Diesel44

Both me and Sgt Shultz know nothing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

And a few years ago now that I think about it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle- while I agree that LJ is worse, CP hasn't been some model citizen either. The man doesn't show up for work, shys away from all contact, calls out his teammates and friends and goes behind the back of his coaching staff...

Now, this isn't on the same level as what LJ did in KC, but it is more than enough for fans to have some animosity towards him and more than justifies the hatred most of us feel for him. He is being paid like a top 5 RB in thisleague and is runing like a bottom 10 RB in the Candian Football league. He is a cancer on the team and is no longer worth the headache that he causes...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time the Redskins scored a defensive TD?


Posted by: clandestinetomcat

DHall did return a pick to the 1 last year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

DHall did return a pick to the 1 last year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse
And if I remember we only got a field goal out of it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

But for you guys taking CPo's outspokenness to heart - I sure hope LJ takes this gig seriously...and that you're not crying this same game come November.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse


I can only imagine how much LJ would have been ripped on here at RI. Im not even talking about his off field stuff. Strictly on the field, dude has put up less then 2000 Rush yards the last 3 years. Wow if CP had done that people might actually have a reason to hate him. Yet people think that LJ will have no problem, hell be the starter. LJ is going to get his teeth kicked in just like every other back that goes behind our o-line. But yeah CP is the prob this guy will make it all better!!

Posted by: Stu27 | March 16, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

LAvar and Dukes are starting to wear on me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 2:49 PM |

Are they Skin bashing as normal, is Lavar blaming Snyder again for the fact that he hired an agent who can't read.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 2:54 PM

All Hate All the Time.....I am trying to be a positive person in 2010 and that siht gets tiredsome......

When ARE was on (as they were trotting out all the cut players the day they were cut so they could bash the Skins. Rock took the bait.) with them, he was pretty neutral. Had a few 'constructive' comments for Dan on how to grow forward. LaVar was all over his statements. 'Dan is a good guy? Well....Let's just say I don't agree with that assesment.'

WTF? You was his best friend....Now Mortal Enemy?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Considering the state of the Lions' offensive line -- and defense, really -- one of their goals for this season with rookie quarterback Matthew Stafford should be to make it through the season with his body still intact. He's been battered all year long, and Sunday's 23-13 loss to Cincinnati was no different.

Late in the game, after letting go a pass, Stafford was banged down on his left shoulder -- which he had separated November 22 against the Browns. He was visibly in pain and had to leave the game.
.........................................
It's admirable that Stafford wants to keep going out and trying to improve with his still-rebuilding team, but let's be realistic here -- the Lions are now 2-10, and they have other areas of their team that need improvement. Stafford appears to be legitimate as their quarterback of the future. What possible good could come out of running him out there against the hard-hitting Ravens' defense next week?

If there's even a question as to the health of Stafford, the Lions should be careful and sit him. They are building toward the future, not playing for a few meaningless 2009 wins. "
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And you don't think they will draft Okung...

FYI - They (The Fans) think of BAckus how we thought about Jansen. Good Run Blocker, BAd Pass Protector.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

No, I don't think the Lions will draft Okung. I'm sure that Stafford did get battered last season, but unless it was Backus' guy who was continually getting in there, that doesn't mean that they'll bypass better players at other positions of need to take Okung. And it doesn't matter what the fans think, only what GM Martin Mayhew and HC Jim Schwartz think. If I'm wrong about Backus and they view him as a revolving door, maybe they do address that need instead of drafting the best player. But I haven't seen or read anything that would indicate that Backus was the problem.

Nor do I think that the 'Skins will draft CJ Spiller in the first round. First, Shanny is known to believe that you can find excellent RBs later in the draft, and has NEVER, to my knowledge, drafted an RB in the first round (and I do think that it will be Shanahan, the personnel guy, and not Allen, the numbers/contracts guy, who will be doing the drafting). Second, the 'Skins have filled their need at RB, at least in the short term, by signing LJ. And they still have Anthony Alridge, whom Shanny allegedly recommended to Ceratto because he was the fastest guy with the ball under his arm that Shanahan had ever seen.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 16, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

lavar doing anything to remain relevant....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

4th I agree they are getting old, I still listen once in a blue moon but have gotten sick of it. I just thought Port-a-John was a good nickname fore Portis/Johnson backfield.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

And if they don't deliver on the turnovers - hello 2006.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 16, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

PS1,

I don't think you've had the experience of my rants RE: CP.

Nothing CPo said was untrue. Called it like he saw it. And in a situation where the HC was dethroned in the bye week and essentially a lame duck, he was entirely justified w/ his criticisms.

And on that team the last two years, everyone's stats sucked the big one. Not just CPo.

I agree we paid him too much (who's fault is that?! You begrudge a good business man??). The cancer was already there, he just pointed at the tumors.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

And it doesn't matter what the fans think, only what GM Martin Mayhew and HC Jim Schwartz think. If I'm wrong about Backus and they view him as a revolving door, maybe they do address that need instead of drafting the best player. But I haven't seen or read anything that would indicate that Backus was the problem.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 16, 2010 3:13 PM |

Dude? Haven't the fans on RI been clamouring for OLine for the past 3 years?? And Vinny and Danny have not been addresing it, right? And look what happened last year?

I don't think the Lions anticipate drafting in the top 2 consistently for the next few years. You get the best value you can now.

The fans are always ahead in reality.

(Go to MLive.com and read the comments on Lions articles to see comments about BAckus. BAckus has ben called out for atleast the last 2 years. And even the beat reporter from another article I posted said the same thing. Backus is a good run blocker, but not a good pass pro guy.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

F Lavar'nt and Pukes.

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 16, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I think CP knows his days of sitting back and collecting checks are over.

Shanahan won't deal with it and he has the juice to take on The Danny

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 16, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I saw CP in an interview with Lindsay Czarniak of NBC4 about a month ago at his home in Miami… you know the ones where she has lunch with athletes. Well CP asked her to bring lunch, which was burgers from Burger King. That’s not really what concerned me though. What really got me was the fact that you could tell CP had a gut despite the fact he had a huge baggy T-shirt on. It looks like he was carrying an extra 15-20lbs! That’s why I’m glad he decided to show up for the voluntary workouts Monday. He should be able to get in shape by training camp. I really think he’ll be motivated by MS since he knows he had success with him the past and that it will be his best and last chance to prove his doubters that he isn’t completely finished. He’ll be playing for his reputation and probably his last NFL contract.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

RECLAMATION!

Tye Hill dumped;
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 16, 2010 2:55 PM ET
It wasn't so long ago Tye Hill was ranked as the top cornerback in the 2006 draft class, a favorite of the draftniks after big efforts at the Senior Bowl and NFL Scouting Combine.

After getting released Tuesday by the Falcons, Hill is struggling just to stay in the league.

Atlanta acquired Hill from St. Louis for a seventh-round draft pick, and the former No. 13 overall pick lost his starting job three games into the season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I saw CP in an interview with Lindsay Czarniak of NBC4 about a month ago at his home in Miami… you know the ones where she has lunch with athletes.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan

Mmmmmmmm, Lindsay for lunch.

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

What I really do not want this to become is the 1-16 Rams East!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

5 reasons why Detriot will draft Okung

1. Jeff Backus will be 33.
2. In July 2006, Jeff Backus signed a $40 million 6 year contract with the Lions. 2 years left.
3. Backus was average at best in his prime.
4. Matt Stafford has $41.7 million in guaranteed money (the most guaranteed to any player in NFL history) and carries a total value of up to $78 million.
5. It's the safest pick to make in the top 5.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta acquired Hill from St. Louis for a seventh-round draft pick, and the former No. 13 overall pick lost his starting job three games into the season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 3:25 PM

Can he play FS?

Posted by: edvar | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

DHall's 2009 pix and what the offense did with them ...

vs Jints, return to ny11 -- fg
vs TB to the TB 41 -- fg
vs Car to the Car 1 -- TD
vs Den to the Wash 40 -- TD

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

4th I agree they are getting old, I still listen once in a blue moon but have gotten sick of it. I just thought Port-a-John was a good nickname fore Portis/Johnson backfield.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse
I wonder what time they are on the air. Someone mentioned Port-o-john this morning on an earlier post. I think they may have read it on here before their show.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I think CP knows his days of sitting back and collecting checks are over.

Shanahan won't deal with it and he has the juice to take on The Danny

Posted by: CheyenneWY

CP gets a huge check whether he's playing or not.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

5 reasons why Detriot will draft Okung

1. Jeff Backus will be 33.
2. In July 2006, Jeff Backus signed a $40 million 6 year contract with the Lions. 2 years left.
3. Backus was average at best in his prime.
4. Matt Stafford has $41.7 million in guaranteed money (the most guaranteed to any player in NFL history) and carries a total value of up to $78 million.
5. It's the safest pick to make in the top 5.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM


Smart People are starting to emerge! The mock drats are NEVER accurate this far from the draft....

...All the Real ish will shoot up a week or 2 before the draft.

You see Bradford to the Rams didn't create buzz until Schfter put it out there (AFTER I called, mind you).

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Port-a-John....to funny.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 16, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 3:25 PM

RE: Tye Hill-

Sometimes guys just can't play..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Detroit drafting Okung could be a blessing in disguise.

If StL takes Bradford and Okung goes #2, that will leave (boy named) Suh and McCoy on the board.

Then, let's say Cleveland gets antsy about the Skins taking Claussen at #4 so they swap with TB to take him. You'll have the 2 top prosepects in the draft sitting there and the trade partners will come out of the woodwork.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 16, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

5 reasons why Detriot will draft Okung

1. Jeff Backus will be 33.
2. In July 2006, Jeff Backus signed a $40 million 6 year contract with the Lions. 2 years left.
3. Backus was average at best in his prime.
4. Matt Stafford has $41.7 million in guaranteed money (the most guaranteed to any player in NFL history) and carries a total value of up to $78 million.
5. It's the safest pick to make in the top 5.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM

Good point. If Detroit drafts Okung do you think we should still go OT with the 4th pick. Maybe Anthony Davis - Rutgers, Trent Williams - Oklahoma or Bryan Bulaga - Iowa?

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

CP gets a huge check whether he's playing or not.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Well then cut his azz, send him home and pay him. I don't care. I'd rather his spot go to someone whose trying to make a name for himself than to have Portis on the team not giving his all.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 16, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

please talk to somebody other than dhall, he let jak delhomme truck his ankles off last year.

Posted by: BMACattack | March 16, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

To Mel Kiper: F U!! Dont wish your Soul Glow Hair molesting, caterpillar slurping predictions on the Skins like you did the Raidahhhs!! Oh and you too McShay, eat elk nuts and suck wombats asss!!

"Russell was the best pick for the Raiders at No. 1 overall," McShay said back then. "They won't regret finally addressing their need for a franchise quarterback."

"JaMarcus Russell's gonna immediately energize that Raider Nation," Kiper added. "You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out, because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like "

Yes, and Quinn was going to split the football atom.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 16, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

No thanks on Davis, or Campbell from UMD. just too much to question on those two....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If you have to reach (w/Okung gone) for an OT with the 4th pick, Trent Williams is the one.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Please no more DeAngelo Hall quotes- dude sucks! If he's our team leader we are in trouble.

Posted by: richard_cranium | March 16, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Just saw this -- own a pro sports team -- pay ZERO taxes

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/24/business/la-fi-hiltzik24-2010feb24

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Please no more DeAngelo Hall quotes- dude sucks! If he's our team leader we are in trouble.

Posted by: richard_cranium | March 16, 2010 3:47 PM |


Richard you are looking mighty small and skinny these days...You OK? Your oK right???

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 16, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

POrtis shows up first day-in your faces 'haters'.

jReid-did Portis have a "burst"? the elusive, only to be seen by expert bloggers, "burst"? You wrote the name portis and didn't say anything 'hateful', good!! ~burst~

LJ-day 1- too old. LJ(30)-day 2-better than Portis(28)

I like LJ, I think he can be better than Betts. If he's better than Portis then we are in better shape than I even hoped.

2009 rushing yards -LJ-581, Portis-494, JC-236, Rock-228, Betts-210

Portis 2008 - 1487 yds 9 tds
LJ 2006 - 1700+ yds 17 tds

if they each play half this good then:
1595 yds 13 tds

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

DHall did return a pick to the 1 last year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse
And if I remember we only got a field goal out of it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 3:01 PM
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Zorn was in a Prevent Offense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 16, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If Suh or McCoy are the best player available at #4, I say scrap the 3-4 and use the 4-3. Go with Albert + rookie in the middle, move Carter to LDE and Orakpo at the RDE. Each guy is a matchup problem for an OL.

The biggest issue in creating turnovers was the secondary. We have the talent, Shanahan and Haslett need to change the attitude.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:42 PM |
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The biggest issue in creating turnovers was the secondary.

Move LL back to SS where he belongs, and who do we have at FS?

I agree we need to use the 4th pick on a top prospect, if we do not get a good trade-back offer. Eric Berry is one of those top prospects.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 16, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:30 PM

Good point. If Detroit drafts Okung do you think we should still go OT with the 4th pick. Maybe Anthony Davis - Rutgers, Trent Williams - Oklahoma or Bryan Bulaga - Iowa?

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 3:40 PM

IMO, No- you can't reach with a top 5 pick. If they can't trade back and are stuck at #4 then the pick has to Berry or Suh/McCoy. Depending on who’s left: Suh>Berry>McCoy

If they can trade back into 7-15 range that would put Bulaga, McClain, Spiller, Earl Thomas, and even Clausen into our wheelhouse. I don’t see Clausen following out of the top 10 with Cle @ 7 and Buff @ 9. I’m hoping we can get a little competition from those two teams to trade up to #4

I would stay away from Anthony Davis and Bruce Campbell unless one of them is somehow available @ #37.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle- were going to have to agree to disagree...

Clinton is the man who brought on the end of zorn... 2 seasons ago, we were 6-2... playing well and having a good time. CP got in argument with Zorn, and being the man he is went over Zorns head to Danny Boy and got Danny to censor zorn... that essentially cut the balls off of Zorn and destroyed his credibility with the team. Injuries then occured, the team lost respect for the coach and well the rest is history.

Moving along, CPs stats weren't just bad they were awful. And that isn't just because we were a bad team, its because he simply was not putting in the effort necessary to be a good player. He wouldn't practice, wouldn't run into contact, didnt break tackles and then began calling out his teammates for making mistakes...

I'm sorry, but my animosity towards CP is extremely warrented and I will say that this team will NEVER be good with CP as its star RB. He is not a team player, and is not making his teammates better.... its all CP all the time and this team needs to move away from players like that.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

DHall did return a pick to the 1 last year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse
And if I remember we only got a field goal out of it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Three stretch plays to the left for minus 1 yard. Yep, that had Zorn all over it.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 16, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Portis 2008 - 1487 yds 9 tds
LJ 2006 - 1700+ yds 17 tds

if they each play half this good then:
1595 yds 13 tds

Posted by: pabrian2003

In RB years, 2006 is ancient history and 2008 was a long time ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

sean taylor would have had 20 turnovers in the last 2 years, this is the big X factor, IMO peace ST21

hopefully, the 3-4 will get us some t.o.s, more linebackers could help the teams, too.

I wonder when they will re-sign Rock

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Portis 2008 - 1487 yds 9 tds
LJ 2006 - 1700+ yds 17 tds

if they each play half this good then:
1595 yds 13 tds

Posted by: pabrian2003

In RB years, 2006 is ancient history and 2008 was a long time ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1

and yet, 70+% think LJ will supplant CP, and Dick Vermiel agrees

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If you have to reach (w/Okung gone) for an OT with the 4th pick, Trent Williams is the one.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse
Don't reach! trade down, or take Suh or berry.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Detroit drafting Okung could be a blessing in disguise.

If StL takes Bradford and Okung goes #2, that will leave (boy named) Suh and McCoy on the board.

Then, let's say Cleveland gets antsy about the Skins taking Claussen at #4 so they swap with TB to take him. You'll have the 2 top prosepects in the draft sitting there and the trade partners will come out of the woodwork.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 16, 2010 3:39 PM

Good call....I was wondering would Cleveland still be anxious to trade up? Even though they have Delhomme/Wallace? Is Clausen the end game for them?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"And they still have Anthony Alridge, whom Shanny allegedly recommended to Ceratto because he was the fastest guy with the ball under his arm that Shanahan had ever seen. "

Does anyone think Shnnahan set Vinny up on this one? I'm sure at that point in time he know he was going to take Zorns job this year and he wanted to push one of his hidden gems this way before someone else snagged him. That'd be a really shrewd move indeed and you know Shannahan knew he was coming here, regardless of what people say.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 16, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and Quinn was going to split the football atom.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 16, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Was't it Clausen who invented the internet?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

is D, Hall the team spokesman now? Or is he just one of a very few players that will talk to RI? hall really is blah blah blah as far as talking...calling former player "dead weight" Hell he has not lived up to his contract yet...I think he should worry more about getting ready for the season instead of what he thinks the team is doing or what Shanny is bringing. Just sayin

Posted by: leevi98 | March 16, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

IMO, No- you can't reach with a top 5 pick. If they can't trade back and are stuck at #4 then the pick has to Berry or Suh/McCoy. Depending on who’s left: Suh>Berry>McCoy

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 3:54 PM

I like the idea of Berry if we can't trade down. If Haslett is married to 3-4 then it might not be good to draft Suh or McCoy because they may not be good fits for the 3-4.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/20179/scouts-inc-nt-kemoeatu-a-good-risk

"Without a guy like Kemoeatu in the equation, [Albert] Haynesworth surely would have gotten the nose tackle job by default. Of course he could excel there, but eating double-teams just doesn't get enough out of what Washington has invested in Haynesworth. Even with the shortage of nose tackles in the league now, Haynesworth is incredibly special, and using his vast skill set in many ways is best for this team."


Williamson also pointed out that Kemoeatu was incredibly effective in the middle of the Panthers' defense in '08 before he ruptured his Achilles' tendon in training camp last season. As you might imagine, the Redskins didn't give Kemoeatu a lot of guaranteed money. But if he's able to take on double-teams like he did with the Panthers, he'll get plenty of money via incentives.

I'm starting to think that Kemoeatu could become one of the most underrated signings in free agency.

Posted by: Vicc | March 16, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

2006 rushing leaders

LaDanian
Larry Johnson
Frank Gore
tiki
Steven Jackson
Wilie Parker
Rudi Johnson
westbrook
Chester Taylor
Travis Henry

In 2010, only 2 guys are still with the teams they played for in 2006 and only 2 were among the top 25 rushers in the league last year. In both cases, Jackson and Gore.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

they both had their most recent good year at age 26

they only have to be half that good by commitee, I think it's worth a try everyone's going with the young quick backs and suddenly the FA market is LJ, WP, BW, LT, TJ

+ LJ is a change of pace, not the speed guy, better the power guy

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Was't it Clausen who invented the internet?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Not sure, but Gus Ferotte invented the Bobble-Head.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 16, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

and yet, 70+% think LJ will supplant CP, and Dick Vermiel agrees

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The amazing stupidity of RI's never gets old... Oh and Suh is a terrible value at 4...WTF?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 16, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think that Kemoeatu could become one of the most underrated signings in free agency.

Posted by: Vicc | March 16, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse
I agree, Vicc, IF he recovers.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering would Cleveland still be anxious to trade up? Even though they have Delhomme/Wallace? Is Clausen the end game for them?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 4:04 PM

This is why they would trade up. Clausen could sit for a year or start midseason. Delhomme is a 1 yr stop gap and Wallace is not a starter.

The Bills are also a team in desperate need of a QB. They have Fitzpatrick, Edwards, & Brian Brohm.

#4 to the highest bidder, and if they trade with TB, that would leave us with Suh, Berry, or McCoy and another possible trade scenario.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't reach! trade down, or take Suh or berry.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:02 PM

Just responding to a comment. If Okung is gone by 4 and we can't trade back, IMO Berry is the only pick. Skins do not need a DT.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If Haslett is married to 3-4 then it might not be good to draft Suh or McCoy because they may not be good fits for the 3-4.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 4:06 PM

They wouldn’t play NT...they would excellent/ideal 3-4 DEs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The amazing stupidity of RI's never gets old... Oh and Suh is a terrible value at 4...WTF?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 16, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse
Well, after all, it is just a blog. Good thing we don't have to make a living doing it. Well, most of us don't. I think LS gets paid by the line.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

i agree at #4 there are only 6-8 you can really look at seriously

most boards SEEM to be bradford, suh, mcCoy, berry, okung in your top 5

claussen, bulaga, pierre-paul, a davis are names i've seen

am i missing anyone?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Turnovers? We're talkin' turnovers?"

Seriously, this can't be good news for Carlos Rogers.

Other than forced fumbles, what are the other turnovers short of normal change of possession (on downs, after punts, or missed FGs)?

Posted by: dcsween | March 16, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Just responding to a comment. If Okung is gone by 4 and we can't trade back, IMO Berry is the only pick. Skins do not need a DT.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, Curz, although I wouldn't be too upset with Suh. You can always use an athlete. And I knew you were just responding. Just didn't want any bloggers thinking we should reach to #2 or 3 OT. If we don't get Okung, we will get at least one OT later in the draft. We just don't get a #4 pick too often, don't want to waste it.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Haslett is married to 3-4 then it might not be good to draft Suh or McCoy because they may not be good fits for the 3-4.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 4:06 PM

They wouldn’t play NT...they would excellent/ideal 3-4 DEs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse
And remember, we will be playing a modified 3-4, which means we will be using 4-3 part of the time. Daniels, Suh, Haynie and ACarter would be a dynamic front 4 in the 4-3 on running downs.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

There were 80 1,000 yard seasons by RBs from 2005 to 2009.

6 players age 30 or over have done this, a total of 9 times (Jones, Dunn and tiki twice each)

2005: tiki, Warrick Dunn, Mike Anderson
2006: tiki, Dunn
2007: F, Taylor
2008: T. Jones
2009: T Jones, Ricky Williams

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:23 PM

Is Don Butt still running the Business program at MSM?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

i agree at #4 there are only 6-8 you can really look at seriously

most boards SEEM to be bradford, suh, mcCoy, berry, okung in your top 5

claussen, bulaga, pierre-paul, a davis are names i've seen

am i missing anyone?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Some people have listed BCampbell as going to the Raiders at #8. But no one is saying he should be in top 10. Only due to his combine numbers is he even mentioned, and only if Raidahs were to draft him.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Suh or McCoy because they may not be good fits for the 3-4.

Posted by: Number4DCSportsFan | March 16, 2010 4:06 PM

McCoy played DE in the 3-4 and slid to NT on passing downs in college. I think he can do the same in the pros. Suh I think is on of those players who can fit any scheme. Again I think he'll play DE on running downs and he can shift inside on passing downs.

BTW I looked at the 1st quarter of the Rams-49ers game from 2008. In that game the Rams lined up in a 4-3. Sometimes they stayed in the 4-3, other times they would shift into a 3-4 with about 10 secs on the play clock. When they shifted and blitzed out of the 3-4 it was effective. Maybe a little light into what they are planning to do here.

Posted by: TWISI | March 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering would Cleveland still be anxious to trade up? Even though they have Delhomme/Wallace? Is Clausen the end game for them?

Posted by: 4thFloor

I think Holmgren gives Seneca the chance to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

someone may trade up for bradford, but claussen?

if it were I, me would take Okung, if he gone I agree CURZON Berry is a need like okung, but what if you can't trade back, check the value chart hard to do at 4. Suh, mcCoy, or OT #2 would work for me, not sure if either guy could be a NT, but perhaps a Daniels style DE. FREITZ I agree DON'T REACH.

Mayock said, "if you take a QB in the top 5 and he ISN'T the guy, because of the money, your franchise is ruined for 5 years"

although, 1 year, then strike, so????

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Is Don Butt still running the Business program at MSM?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse
I retired in 2003, so I'm not sure. I think he is still teaching, but I don't think he is running the program.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I believe we should take the best prospect available at #4. If Okung and Bradford are gone they we should take Suh or McCoy.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 16, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The amazing stupidity of RI's never gets old... Oh and Suh is a terrible value at 4...WTF?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 16, 2010 4:11 PM

For us? YEs.....

The only real value for us @ #4 would be LT/QB.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

IMO only 3 legit options at #4: QB, Okung, Berry.

IMO, if Bradford falls or Clausen is determined by Shanny to be a franchise caliber guy then they're the pick regardless of who's on the board.

If Bradford goes 1 and Shanny doesn't think Clausen is capable of being elite, then Okung is the pick if available.

If Bradford and Okung are gone and shanny doesn't believe Clausen is the real deal and we can't trade back Berry is the only option. Our D desperately needs a legit FS not a good DT playing DE in a system that highlights linebackers, blitzes, and edge pressure.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 16, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

If we wind up with Suh at #4, a 4-3 makes sense to me. We'd have a very talented DL with lots of matchup issues.

I was an advocate of Orakpo trying multiple roles, to see what he could do best at an NFL level. Answer (as many thought): Hand in dirt.

Carter is a hand in dirt player. So are Albert, + Suh.

More guys with their hands down. Jarmon, Kemoatu, Daniels, Golston. Lots of depth + talent there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Is Don Butt still running the Business program at MSM?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse
I think he is faculty coordinator of undergraduate finance. Bill Forgang is chairman of the dept.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Holmgren gives Seneca the chance to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:27 PM

As what? A WR/back-up QB...He's 30 and only 5'11" and Delhomme is 35 and a TO machine. The Browns need a young guy to groom. I'm guessing Holmgren is wanting Clausen, afterall he gave Delhomme 7 mil for 1 year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The amazing stupidity of RI's never gets old... Oh and Suh is a terrible value at 4...WTF?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 16, 2010 4:11 PM

For us? YEs.....

The only real value for us @ #4 would be LT/QB.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

True. Defensive tackle is a waste of money with that pick on this team. Even if Okung is gone, grab Buluga or the next best tackle.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Holmgren gives Seneca the chance to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:27 PM

As what? A WR/back-up QB...He's 30 and only 5'11" and Delhomme is 35 and a TO machine. The Browns need a young guy to groom. I'm guessing Holmgren is wanting Clausen, afterall he gave Delhomme 7 mil for 1 year.

Posted by: Diesel44

My hunch on that. Though signing Delhomme is bizarre

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Devo2,
I really like Anthony Alridge too.
I think he will be our change of pace RB.

The way he gets up from the pile and walks back to the huddle reminds me of watching Larry Brown do it when I was a kid.

Deja Vu, Devo, Deja Vu.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 16, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me Buluga is the perfect nickname for any of these Samoan nose tackles

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:35 PM

I read your last name off the bracket and it rang a bell. Not sure what you taught though.

I remember some of the undergraduates saying what a pain in the Butt Don was and what a handsome devil that Professor Maurhoff was.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Its funny... Clausen hasn't had his pro day yet... a lot can happen. Say Bradford throws and looks poorly cause his arm isn't fully healed, or Cluasen throws and looks awesome... maybe Clausen throws poorly and Bradford throws awesome... who knows... but its really hard to speculate as to who were going to take here...

All we know is that OT is an absolute must at this point.... not #4 then #37... if not both... Maybe Shanny Loves Clausen, but he has a bad pro day and drops, maybe we can drop back, pick up more picks and still get him later... again if Shanny thinks hes the real deal (I do not, but what do I know...)

Outside of OT and QB, we could really use some LB depth, a safety to play FS, a RB, a CB, and a K/P (we always need those tho... please resign Hunter the Punter)....

Yet, I just cannot see us taking Berry at 4... we have so many other needs that are far more pressing and even if Okung, Bradford, and somehow Cluasen are gone 1,2,3, leaving us Mccoy, Suh, and Berry... I just do not see us taking Berry...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Devo2,
I really like Anthony Alridge too.
I think he will be our change of pace RB.

The way he gets up from the pile and walks back to the huddle reminds me of watching Larry Brown do it when I was a kid.

Deja Vu, Devo, Deja Vu.

Posted by: _Stumped

Though didn't Brown usually have 1st down when he went back to the huddle?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 16, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 16, 2010 2:55 PM ET
It wasn't so long ago Tye Hill was ranked as the top cornerback in the 2006 draft class, a favorite of the draftniks after big efforts at the Senior Bowl and NFL Scouting Combine.

After getting released Tuesday by the Falcons, Hill is struggling just to stay in the league....

I wonder if he can play special teams? Worth a minimum contract?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Suh and sign Backus after Detroit cuts him. Backus said he won't move inside to guard so they'll probably have to cut him if they take Okung. There are probably a lot more teams that will be taking LTs in the first round. We can sign their castoffs to get us through to next year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I remember some of the undergraduates saying what a pain in the Butt Don was and what a handsome devil that Professor Maurhoff was.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes the mind plays tricks on us. You probably have that reversed. Have you been checked for dyslexia lately?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

True. Defensive tackle is a waste of money with that pick on this team. Even if Okung is gone, grab Buluga or the next best tackle.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 4:38 PM |

You don't reach for a player with a top 5 pick, there are no other o-Linemen worthy at #4 period.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:48 PM

You might be right...it's been over a decade. I'll let you choose which one you'd like to believe...

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I remember some of the undergraduates saying what a pain in the Butt Don was and what a handsome devil that Professor Maurhoff was.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I will say this tho. Back in the 80's, some of my students had a girl's intramural team, and they called themselves "Freddie's Figures". I taught finance and accounting, and was known as FreddieFinance.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

what do we do if Okung, Bradford, and Suh are all gone by pick no. 4?? and we cant trade down?

Posted by: mehtadman87 | March 16, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Best blessing in disguise scenario:

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. Berry
4. staring at McSuh and Clausen

Seattle and or Clevelenad may try to buy the pick to get Clausen, with lots of competition from teams farther back wanting a crack at McSuh.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 16, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Re: Seneca Wallace

As what? A WR/back-up QB...He's 30 and only 5'11" and Delhomme is 35 and a TO machine. The Browns need a young guy to groom. I'm guessing Holmgren is wanting Clausen, afterall he gave Delhomme 7 mil for 1 year.

Posted by: Diesel44
------------------

30, mind you, is not the same with QBs vs. RBs or WRs. Rich Gannon went to the Raiders when he was 33/34, Trent Green went to the Chiefs at 30/31, Brad Johnson came to Washington at 30/31, Jeff Garcia to the Niners at 29/30, the list goes on.

You never know when that light bulb in a QBs head goes off, and suddenly they have a good run. Certainly not worth the immediate dismissal of the idea.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mehtadman87 | March 16, 2010 4:54 PM

Take the reincarnation of Ed Reed in Eric Berry.

If water covers 70% of the earth's surface then Eric Berry covers the rest.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

True. Defensive tackle is a waste of money with that pick on this team. Even if Okung is gone, grab Buluga or the next best tackle.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 4:38 PM |

You don't reach for a player with a top 5 pick, there are no other o-Linemen worthy at #4 period.

Posted by: Flounder21

a lot of mocks have 2 OT's going in top 5

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

You never know when that light bulb in a QBs head goes off, and suddenly they have a good run. Certainly not worth the immediate dismissal of the idea.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 16, 2010 4:58 PM

Totally agree with the names mentioned but I think at 30 Wallace is probably done growing and 5'11 might an exaggeration and he isn’t as physically gifted as a Vick, Flutie, Garcia, or Gannon.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

You don't reach for a player with a top 5 pick, there are no other o-Linemen worthy at #4 period.

Posted by: Flounder21

a lot of mocks have 2 OT's going in top 5

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

That's true, pab. We'd have to seriously consider McCoy, but Berry would probably fill more of a need for us. Either of them would be a good selection. Just don't reach for the #2 OT. Bulaga is probably rated #2, but he's not as highly rated at McCoy and Berry.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

a lot of mocks have 2 OT's going in top 5

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 5:02 PM |

Mock drafts are done by people who know as much about where a player should be drafted as you or I.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Okung is value at #4
could immediately upgrade 1 line position
could eventually replace Samuels
could help improve the run and pass attack
did I say he's a value

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Sucks that andra davis signed with the bills, did shanallahan even pursue this guy? Would've been a nice addition...

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

IMO, there will be teams interested in picking at #4 (to get whoever before #5 or #6 get to pick) and the Skins will be able to and should trade out of #4.

Posted by: dcsween | March 16, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Okung is value at #4
could immediately upgrade 1 line position
could eventually replace Samuels
could help improve the run and pass attack
did I say he's a value


Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 5:08 PM |

Thanks for the tip, I think this is pretty well known here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Okung is value at #4
could immediately upgrade 1 line position
could eventually replace Samuels
could help improve the run and pass attack
did I say he's a value


Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 16, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse
Sorry, pab, is misread your statement. No, I don't think we take a #2 OT, just because some people writing a mock draft have a second OT in their top 5. Anyone can make a mock draft. That doesn't make them qualified to make good smart draft selections. You can go to one of these sites, and make up your own mock draft. Don't buy into one, just because it exists. If you really want that, I have a good bridge I could sell you.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm with sween, what's a #4 worth?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm with sween, what's a #4 worth?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty much a consensus. The problem is getting someone to bid for it. If we can do that, we could get a slightly lower first round pick, and possibly a second or third round pick as well. Only happens tho, if two teams really want someone who is still on the board. If two teams want same guy, value of pick goes up. Supply and demand! How much is someone willing to give up.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm with sween and Stumped, and I'm growing more and more interested in seeing the team trade back from #4... which of course depends on a lot of factors, like who gets picked in the top three and etc.

Gosh, I hope we don't have a draft pick this high again any time soon, unless it's a pick acquired via trade. 4-12 sucked. Not the blog commenter 4-12, the season record.

(I think I predicted a whole bunch of non-division losses yesterday, but I think Shanahan's team is going to win 6 or 7 games. First season with the Raiders: 7-9. First season with the Broncos: 8-8. Just sayin')

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 16, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

At least a low first rounder and a platter of incredibly good ham sandwiches, like these:

http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/105867457/three-little-pigs-sandwich-smoked-ham-sandwich

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 16, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Barry Sims Beep

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

According to the Draft Value Chart

Washington #4 1,800 pts

for

Cleveland #7 1,500 pts
Cleveland 3rd Rd #71 235 pts

or

Buffalo #9 1,350
Buffalo #2nd Rd #41 490

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

For all those who say "reaching" for the 2nd best tackle in the draft is ridiculous. Then what about Spiller at 4? He is supposed to be the next Chris Johnson, and if the 08 draft was redone, would Johnson be worthy of the 4 pick?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Other than forced fumbles, what are the other turnovers short of normal change of possession (on downs, after punts, or missed FGs)?

Posted by: dcsween

sween, how about my favorite? the safety. two pernts, plus they gots to kick the ball to ya.

yee haw

Posted by: RedskinWillie | March 16, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

That does look like a tasty sammich.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I"m sorry but since when is Shanahan known as a defensive genius ? If anything, his defense is what outed him in Denver. It's difficult as a defense when you are on the field for most of the game. What would they have done if the offense had got a few more first downs and they had been able to stay fresh ? Maybe this had an impact in turnovers ? Also, how many times did the Skins defense drop an interception thrown their way ? Changing to a 3-4 will not change this. Maybe some personnel changes instead, though it is the offense which should be focused on. And maybe move Hall to safety as stated previously as he can't cover. That's why we got him so easily when no one else was in any hurry to sign him.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | March 17, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

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