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Sources: Byron Westbrook still on team

Cornerback Byron Westbrook is still a member of the Redskins and plans to make the trip with the team to Arizona Wednesday afternoon, according to three team sources.

An ESPN report Wednesday morning said Westbrook had been released, but that apparently is not the case. He is still in contention for one of the team's remaining jobs.

Even if he makes the trip for Thursday's game, though, it doesn't mean Westbrook necessarily has a spot on the 53-man roster securely locked up.

If the Redskins keep only four cornerbacks, Westbrook might have a hard time joining DeAngelo Hall, Carlos Rogers and Phillip Buchanon on the team's Week 1 roster. Kevin Barnes, Ramzee Robinson and Justin Tryon are all battling Westbrook for a roster spot, and several people have been impressed with Robinson in the past couple of weeks.

So while it's possible that Westbrook could eventually get released, that doesn't seem to be the case at this point. He has one more chance to make his case Thursday night against the Cardinals.

By Rick Maese  |  September 1, 2010; 9:45 AM ET
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Go Barnes and JT

Posted by: merajc86 | September 1, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Mike Wise is laughing his ass off right now.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Schefter was wrong???

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Not for long I'd say.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

FREE MIKE WISE

Posted by: merajc86 | September 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

That's right, blame it on ESPN.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | September 1, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow, JC gets no respect...looks like the Raiders are in the mix to trade for Matt Leinart...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 9:04 AM

After seeing Campbell get drilled in the back against the 49ers, it makes perfect sense why the Raiders are pursuing a capable 3rd QB. Gradowski is a solid backup, but has a bit of an injury history.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the bad, knee-jerk reporting going on?! Sort of validates Mike Wise's experiment, but certainly does not excuse his lack of judgment.

Posted by: chitownskinsfan | September 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

mike wise baby!

Posted by: zatoichi77 | September 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Phillip Buchanon has yet to impress me this pre-season.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

FREE MIKE WISE!!!!!
SCHEFTER IS A HACK!

Posted by: CarterHutch | September 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Schefter is the out-of-house mouthpiece for Shanny.

Westbrook is dead man walking.

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Phillip Buchanon has yet to impress me this pre-season.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

was he not impressive causing a fumble last week on special teams? He'll make the squad for two reasons, he is an experienced corner but more importantly he's a fast vet who plays special teams and has returning experience, he's a safety net if Banks continues to fumble and they eventually have to go a different direction.

IMO cb's that make the roster:

Hall
CR22
Buchanon
Barnes
Robinson

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 1, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

was he not impressive causing a fumble last week on special teams? He'll make the squad for two reasons, he is an experienced corner but more importantly he's a fast vet who plays special teams and has returning experience, he's a safety net if Banks continues to fumble and they eventually have to go a different direction.

IMO cb's that make the roster:

Hall
CR22
Buchanon
Barnes
Robinson

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 1, 2010 10:04 AM

Was that fumble on special teams...or on defense?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

my money is on us picking up Marko Mitchell. Vikings dropped him yesterday and we're in serious need of a tall WR.

Posted by: db73 | September 1, 2010 9:26 AM

You think the Shanahans have been regretting releasing this guy the Lions and Vikings have both now turned their nose up to? (especially in light of the vikings' injury and migraine problems at the WR position) I know he looked great against those scrubs last pre season, but let it go Marko lovers. He's obviously NOT NFL quality. How much proof do you need?

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

So Ramzee Robinson may make it over Tryon and Barnes? If so chalk up 2 more garbage picks to dumbass Vinny in the 3rd and 4th round. I'd like a chance to kick him in the face to see if I could make him look and act normal.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Can I ask, why do you guys think if Stokely is released we should sign him? For one, because the Rams had the worst record, they have first dibs on anyone released. I can assure you, if this kind of reciever becomes a free agent they will sign him.

Also, why do we need a Slot WR? You guys forget this is Kyle's system, his system exceled with a 6ft 4 outside Wide Out in Andre Johnson. Which is why they wanted to keep Kelly...

Santana in slot is uncoverable. Just go and look at the Ravens game. We put him in slot and he was wide open.

We need a big WR to put on the outside...which is why I think they HAVE to pursue V. Jackson. Hopefully D. Thomas steps up also, b/c he is a big, speed guy. He may also be our best blocking WR.

V. Jackson is also a great blocking WR. So if we are able to put DT11 and VJ83 as X and Y, the put SM89 in slot...that does wonders for your passing and running game.

I may prefer a younger guy in Stokely then Galloway. But I really want a big outside WR. Im not worried about slot.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 1, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

So Ramzee Robinson may make it over Tryon and Barnes? If so chalk up 2 more garbage picks to dumbass Vinny in the 3rd and 4th round. I'd like a chance to kick him in the face to see if I could make him look and act normal.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 1, 2010 10:09 AM |

I'd bet Barnes makes it over those other 2.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"Atlantic beaches brace for hurricane"


The folks here in Florida hope y'all are ready should the hurricane hit.

There are some supplies I'd recommend that'll help you deal with the storm's aftermath:

1 bottle of the stress reliever Fuk-It-All.

Liquor as the ice needed for beer will be needed to apply to the skin to reduce the swelling from fights over the lack of air conditioning.

A cheerful attitude as you'll have to beg better prepared neighbors for food--and the thing is, because you never speak to them, you don't know their names.

A desire for cold showers.

Cell phones and Blackberrys charged to where you can still post in RI, even though your family will be hungry, angry, and thirsty.

A generator and power cords. And if you lack a generator, you can still use your power cords to sneak and steal electricity from the better prepared neighbor with a generator as he sits inside his home in comfort.

Above all, patience is the best thing to have as the time after a hurricane is worse than the storm itself.

Especially if you can't just look at your starving, sweaty, annoying family and say, "Fuk-it-all!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Phillip Buchanon has yet to impress me this pre-season.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 9:58 AM
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outside of that fumble he caused on D-fense he hasn't done much.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Especially if you can't just look at your starving, sweaty, annoying family and say, "Fuk-it-all!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2010 10:14 AM

We've got a better option: Out of town business trip. Works every time.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

my money is on us picking up Marko Mitchell. Vikings dropped him yesterday and we're in serious need of a tall WR.

Posted by: db73 | September 1, 2010 9:26 AM

You will loose your money, every single penny!

Posted by: abxinc | September 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Phillip Buchanon has yet to impress me this pre-season.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 9:58 AM
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outside of that fumble he caused on D-fense he hasn't done much.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 10:17 AM

The fumble was nice...the recovery was much nicer.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Mike Wise strikes again!

Posted by: Section104 | September 1, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"You think the Shanahans have been regretting releasing this guy the Lions and Vikings have both now turned their nose up to? (especially in light of the vikings' injury and migraine problems at the WR position) I know he looked great against those scrubs last pre season, but let it go Marko lovers. He's obviously NOT NFL quality. How much proof do you need?

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse"

I love this line of thinking. With this theory Anthony Armstrong would have been cut 8 months ago and Joey Galloway would be retired.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

keep barnes, looks solid

Posted by: retroskins14 | September 1, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I may prefer a younger guy in Stokely then Galloway.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 1, 2010 10:12 AM
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age is nothing but a number when it comes to Galloway..this guy is a freak-of-nature..he's in very good shape and still faster than most guys in the NFL....

All Stokely can be is a posession type of reciever...he wont stretch the field..and the run game and other reciver will suffer because no one will threaten the defense without speed except Santana and we've seen that already and its ugly..Shanahan has Galloway starting for a reason..to stretch the feild or be a threat to stretch the feild...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

IMO cb's that make the roster:

Hall
CR22
Buchanon
Barnes
Robinson

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 1, 2010 10:04 AM

Yup.

Being that Buchanon is such a wily vet, any thoughts on him getting a little FS action?

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong never got cut by three NFL teams in 3 months.

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

outside of that fumble he caused on D-fense he hasn't done much.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 10:17 AM

I had forgot that was him. My bad.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong never got cut by three NFL teams in 3 months.

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:30 AM |

Yea, I was wondering about that comparison too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

FREE MIKE WISE!!!!!
SCHEFTER IS A HACK!

Posted by: CarterHutch | September 1, 2010 10:01 AM


I know you're trying to be funny, but Wise isn't qualified to fetch Schefter's coffee for him. Not even in the same league...

Rocco, agree with your take on VJ, but if nothing happens with SD before Friday it ain't gonna happen.

Rich Cimini just made me puke in my mouth a little with this...with Kelly and Thomas looking like they've played their last games as Redskins, he reminded us that instead of Thomas we could have had DeSean Jackson and instead of Kelly we could have had Ray Rice. Bastard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Anthony Armstrong never got cut by three NFL teams in 3 months.

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse"

No, he was only cut twice in 3 months. And this after not being invited to training camps after turning "pro" with the IFL and AFL for two years.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Byron just got WISED.

Posted by: WorstSeat | September 1, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

No, he was only cut twice in 3 months. And this after not being invited to training camps after turning "pro" with the IFL and AFL for two years.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:40 AM |

Really? Twice in 3 months? I can only find that he was let go from the Dolphins PS. What else have you found?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

For everyone talking this "put Santana in the slot" madness...1) that's what she said. And 2) you kinda have to have someone who can play the two outside WR spots for that to work. Slot receivers don't have to be really fast or dynamic, otherwise Wes Welker wouldn't have a job. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

No, he was only cut twice in 3 months. And this after not being invited to training camps after turning "pro" with the IFL and AFL for two years.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Continuing to prove my belief in the value of Farm System football.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Your type of "new media" reporting can be a waste of time and unreliable. It makes the WP unreliable. Mike must of exposed a problem within the business and your certainly not the solution.

This is more stupid then what he did.

Posted by: Budpratt1 | September 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

We need a big WR to put on the outside...which is why I think they HAVE to pursue V. Jackson.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 1, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse


VJax is coming off back-to-back DUI arrests.

He is asking for something in the range of $10 million/year and $50 million guaranteed.

We would have to give up a high draft pick to land him.

He has never had double-digit TDs in a season.

He had 59 catches last year.

He's not fast, he doesn't break tackles or make people miss, he doesn't have yards after the catch, he doesn't make big plays.

He's benefitted from having Antonio Gates, Sproles and LT occupy defenders underneath in coverage which allows him to exploit matchups on deep routes.

Why...Why, praytell, do we HAVE to pursue this guy??

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I love this line of thinking. With this theory Anthony Armstrong would have been cut 8 months ago and Joey Galloway would be retired.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:23 AM


Let's not make AA out to be Rod Smith 2.0 just yet...he's only on this roster because nobody else seems to want that #2 receiver spot. If he signed with about 20 other teams, he'd probably be in the UFL...

Let go of Marko. Three other teams have...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Byron just got WISED."

Lol, that's awesome.

I don't like Mike Wise and I tell him often.

Don't know if anyone posted this, but it concerns that odd trade they made with the Rams the other day:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5518992

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 1, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Sorry.

68 receptions last year (59 the year before) in a "career" year, though he didn't even lead his own team in catches.

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

psps23 - I'm not trying to run down Mitchell if you like him. I was excited about him this time last year too.

I do think comparing him to Armstrong is apples and oranges. Marko got drafted. He had every chance to make a go of it. Three coaching staffs have had him in camp and healthy and have said "no thanks". (4 if you count the fact that last years staff didn't play him when we couldn't move the ball) Armstrong didn't get drafted and then had a bad injury that derailed his attempts to break into the league as a UFA.

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Really? Twice in 3 months? I can only find that he was let go from the Dolphins PS. What else have you found?

Posted by: scampbell1975"

It was from an earlier article about him getting cut from the Dolphins, resigned, then cut again by the Dolphins in 2008 before joining us in 2009. Not sure where I read it, though.

Just saying getting cut from NFL teams, especially early in your career, isn't the end of the road for a player.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Rich Cimini just made me puke in my mouth a little with this...with Kelly and Thomas looking like they've played their last games as Redskins, he reminded us that instead of Thomas we could have had DeSean Jackson and instead of Kelly we could have had Ray Rice. Bastard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 10:39 AM

Man...the Kelly for Rice reminder sucks...but I'll wait a few years before I poo poo on Thomas vs. Jackson.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"He is asking for something in the range of $10 million/year and $50 million guaranteed"

Actually 50 million/10 per, 30 mil guaranteed.

Still WAY too much for a WR. I feel confident he's not going to be a Redskin, at least this year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 1, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I submit to you my nominee for the Mike Wise award for glalactically arrogant stupidity:

"Leinart...made his wishes clear to (Jay) Glazer: Leinart doesn't want to be a backup quarterback. He feels 'He's done enough in this league...he wants to be a starter somewhere.'"

You just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Just a head's up on VJ...he and his agent have said that they never brought up the $50 million number, probably a ploy by A.J. Smith to get the teams interested in him to back off...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

my money is on us picking up Marko Mitchell. Vikings dropped him yesterday and we're in serious need of a tall WR.

Posted by: db73 | September 1, 2010 9:26 AM

You think the Shanahans have been regretting releasing this guy the Lions and Vikings have both now turned their nose up to? (especially in light of the vikings' injury and migraine problems at the WR position) I know he looked great against those scrubs last pre season, but let it go Marko lovers. He's obviously NOT NFL quality. How much proof do you need?

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 10:07 AM

Agreed. Marko Biotchell looked like Jerry Rice catching balls and scoring on dudes that now deliver my overnight packages and make my sandwiches at the local deli.

If he didn't stick with the Lions, there's definitely a problem. Over the last decade or so, if you were a WR, there was a roster spot automatically created for you by Mr. Matt Millen.

Further, right now in Minnesota, Galloway might garner us a 6th or 7th rounder. Im not saying, I'm just saying....

I loved Marko when he was here but it's like the LaVarr Arrington mystery:

All the hype in the world but two of the best D-Coordinators in the biz (Gregg and Marvin) thought he wasn't worth a crap. Seems like he's not got it between the ears.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

done enough in this league?! wth?

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 1, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"He is asking for something in the range of $10 million/year and $50 million guaranteed"

Actually 50 million/10 per, 30 mil guaranteed.

Still WAY too much for a WR. I feel confident he's not going to be a Redskin, at least this year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 1, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse


Yes. Thank you. A $50 million contract was what I was getting at.

I believe VJax will sit out the whole year. Other teams are not pursuing him...why is that? The only team that sought permission to talk to him was Seattle and once they heard his contract demands they got up and left the table.

My prediction is that Malcom Floyd will step into that offense as the #1 WR and have comparable numbers to VJax's averages over the last 2 years.

When that happens it will be very clear that VJax's "breakout" production of less than 1200 yards and 9TDs is largely the prodcut of playing in an efficient offense, with a truly top-flight QB and an all-time great TE to take the heat in the secondary.

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I loved Marko when he was here but it's like the LaVarr Arrington mystery:

All the hype in the world but two of the best D-Coordinators in the biz (Gregg and Marvin) thought he wasn't worth a crap. Seems like he's not got it between the ears.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:02 AM

I wouldn't compate Marko to a guy who made multiple pro-bowls and added his name to Skins/Cowboys historical lore.

Lavar was a certified beast whose career was shortened by injuries.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Go Seagulls!

Posted by: COskins | September 1, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't compate Marko to a guy who made multiple pro-bowls and added his name to Skins/Cowboys historical lore.

Lavar was a certified beast whose career was shortened by injuries.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse


Co-sign

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Just saying getting cut from NFL teams, especially early in your career, isn't the end of the road for a player.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:56 AM |

I agree with that. I was just wondering about the AA MM comparisons. I' not for picking up a once was Sken though. It's like going out with a girl that you already broke up with. There was a reason it didn't work out in the first place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

You just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 10:58 AM

...unless you're Mike Wise or BeantownGreg.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't compate Marko to a guy who made multiple pro-bowls and added his name to Skins/Cowboys historical lore.

Lavar was a certified beast whose career was shortened by injuries.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse


Co-sign

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely.

It always amazes me how quickly people forget (or simply ignore) how great he was.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I believe VJax will sit out the whole year. Other teams are not pursuing him...why is that? The only team that sought permission to talk to him was Seattle and once they heard his contract demands they got up and left the table.

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:03 AM |

Hmmm, not true. Several teams were pursuing him and the Chargers denied permission to all but the Seagulls.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

It's like going out with a girl that you already broke up with. There was a reason it didn't work out in the first place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:11 AM

Huh? What about booty calls scamp?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I believe VJax will sit out the whole year. Other teams are not pursuing him...why is that? The only team that sought permission to talk to him was Seattle and once they heard his contract demands they got up and left the table.

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:03 AM |

Hmmm, not true. Several teams were pursuing him and the Chargers denied permission to all but the Seagulls.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:14 AM |

Still, I think people need to give up on the VJax talk. The Chargers are not budging so the point is moot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Buchanan was trailing the play and causing the fumble BECAUSE he took a bad angle and was badly beaten in coverage and tacking. The Westbrook report reminds me of the time that Ryan Clark was reported cut and he ended up as the starting safety.

Posted by: iseyij | September 1, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The trouble with RI lately is there are not enough firmly held opinions. Or maybe not. I'm not sure.

It's a tough time for RI's knights of the keyboard, a transition period from watching raging incompetence (Zorn/Vinnie) to seeing solid professionalism (Shanahan/Allen) guiding the team we love/hate.

But I stand partially agog at the number of folks here who are convinced, make that deluded, that they know more than those guys.

Hey Mike, you'd be nuts to keep that player, go after THIS one.

Between the delusion and the flame wars, it makes pretty dang interesting reading these days.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Cant wait until D Anderson gets azz planted by AH Thursday night and the Cardinals find out he is done for three or four weeks. Should be interesting now that he bridge between them and leinart is being burned from both ends.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I believe VJax will sit out the whole year. Other teams are not pursuing him...why is that? The only team that sought permission to talk to him was Seattle and once they heard his contract demands they got up and left the table.


Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:03 AM

pfunk, there's a lot of layers and moving parts to this VJ thing so I don't think it's as cut and dry as you're making it sound...A.J. Smith is about the most arrogant prick you'll find in football and I think he's pulling a lot of trickeration on people calling to inquire about VJ. He's turning some teams down, and has only really let Seattle talk to him. He's floating info on VJ that isn't necessarily true. I think that's why the VJ camp felt he needed to sit down and talk to JLC over the weekend and try and get their side out.

I see both sides of the coin with VJ...I'm not sold on him as an elite WR deserving of the money he wants. But I also think he's better than anything we've got now, including Santana. I don't want us to give up any more picks, but we could do (and have done) much worse with a 2nd round pick than get VJ. I like his chances of success here with Shanahan much better than I would otherwise.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I believe VJax will sit out the whole year. Other teams are not pursuing him...why is that? The only team that sought permission to talk to him was Seattle and once they heard his contract demands they got up and left the table.


Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2010 11:03 AM

pfunk, there's a lot of layers and moving parts to this VJ thing so I don't think it's as cut and dry as you're making it sound...A.J. Smith is about the most arrogant prick you'll find in football and I think he's pulling a lot of trickeration on people calling to inquire about VJ. He's turning some teams down, and has only really let Seattle talk to him. He's floating info on VJ that isn't necessarily true. I think that's why the VJ camp felt he needed to sit down and talk to JLC over the weekend and try and get their side out.

I see both sides of the coin with VJ...I'm not sold on him as an elite WR deserving of the money he wants. But I also think he's better than anything we've got now, including Santana. I don't want us to give up any more picks, but we could do (and have done) much worse with a 2nd round pick than get VJ. I like his chances of success here with Shanahan much better than I would otherwise.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Lavar was great?


C'mon on with that bs. Yes, Lavar had his moments as a Redskin. But just because he capped Troy Aikman doesn't make him "great".

Lavar left a lot to be desired, even when he was healthy.

Lavar made two pro bowls. So did Dre' Bly.
Lavar had a signature moment against the hated Cowboys. So did Troy Vincent and Nick Novak.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

And why do i have the feeling that Westbrook is just a pawn in the great NFL Media War of 2010?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Lavar was a certified beast whose career was shortened by injuries.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:08 AM |

You Arrington lovers are blind and analogous to Muslim radicals in how you cannot be reasoned with by way of facts.

Arrington was okay, he was nowhere near great. He made a couple pro-bowls based on occasional nice highlight-reel plays but his lack of ability to LEARN and operate within a defensive scheme cost us more games that he ever helped us win.

Like I said, it's universally accepted that Gregg Williams and Marvin Lewis were both tops of the league in terms of their defensive schemes and neither one thought much of Arrington.

THAT'S all I was comparing to Mitchell. Dudes were both hyped and neither dude had it between the ears.

Jesus, some of you say you can't compare someone to someone else unless they have identical careers or stats? Are you serious?

I'll go back to Mitchell here. He passed the 'eyeball' test but there's something wrong with the guy. It's too bad because if the Vikes dropped him - and they're officially desperate - then I can't see why the 'Skins would want the guy unless Shanny and maybe even McNabb can get the dudes mind right.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Lavar had a signature moment against the hated Cowboys. So did Troy Vincent and Nick Novak.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 11:30 AM

And it was the crowning achievement of Mark Brunell's career, at least until he got his Super Bowl ring.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"I agree with that. I was just wondering about the AA MM comparisons. I' not for picking up a once was Sken though. It's like going out with a girl that you already broke up with. There was a reason it didn't work out in the first place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse"

For the most part I agree, but for MM and the practice squad I wouldn't be dissatisfied with it. What did Mitchell have, one minicamp under his belt here before he was released? I don't know that that's enough to definitively say he's not cut out for the NFL, or Shanahan in particular. Most likely? Yes. Definitively? Not yet.

I don't really care in actuality as most practice squad players never do anything in the league. I was just pointing out that a mentality of 'if a player gets cut from another NFL team (or multiple teams), that means he's not good enough for the league' is a flawed.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Lavar made 3 pro-bowls, Red. In a 6.5 year career where he was injured most of the last 3 years.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

PFT takes an interesting look at this Hall Davis trade:

Report: Union eyeballing recent rookie trades
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2010 10:56 AM ET
On Monday, the Eagles and the Cardinals swapped a pair of rookie draft picks. Later that same day, the Redskins and Rams did the same thing.

On Tuesday, the Redskins cut the fifth-rounder they'd acquired from the Rams, linebacker Hall Davis.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that the NFLPA is monitoring whether the teams made the trades to circumvent a specific rule of the uncapped year that guarantees any rookie draft pick 85 percent of the first-year minimum salary of $310,000.

Apparently, trading the rookie doesn't trade the obligation. So when the Redskins cut Davis, the Redskins -- and the Rams -- avoided the requirement to pay Hall $272,000.

On the surface, the NFLPA has a point. On the other hand, the NFLPA agreed to these terms, just as they agreed to an increase in the minimum years for unrestricted free agency from four to six. Plenty of players have been screwed by the uncapped year. As to Davis and other 2010 rookies, they're not losing something they would have had in a capped year.

The real issue here, in our view, isn't whether the spirit of the 85-percent rule was violated. Instead, the transactions -- specifically the Rams-Redskin trade -- could be interpreted as evidence of collusion. Surely, the Rams and Redskins knew what they were doing when swapping two unwanted rookies; they were essentially agreeing to a quid pro quo that gave each team a chance to dump a player while saving $272,000.

There's no specific provision of the CBA's Anti-Collusion clause that addresses this precise issue. But Section 1(e) of Article XXVIII arguably is broad enough to cover this situation, by encompassing any agreement "concerning the terms or conditions of employment offered to any player for inclusion, or included, in a Player Contract."

Either way, the Redskins and Rams may have outsmarted themselves on this one, and in an effort to save $272,000 they may have fueled a broader attack on the league's overall perceived (or actual) lack of player spending in the uncapped year.

UPDATE: A league source tells us that the money wouldn't have gone to Davis, but that it would have gone to the other rookies who made the team, distributed based on the number of downs played by the rookies. So, basically, the Rams may have screwed their rookies other than Hall Davis out of their cut of $272,000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Lavar was a very very gifted athlete

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Lavar was great?


C'mon on with that bs. Yes, Lavar had his moments as a Redskin. But just because he capped Troy Aikman doesn't make him "great".

Lavar left a lot to be desired, even when he was healthy.

Lavar made two pro bowls. So did Dre' Bly.
Lavar had a signature moment against the hated Cowboys. So did Troy Vincent and Nick Novak.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 11:30 AM

Amen brother.

AND, London "Broil" Fletcher has only 1 pro bowl.

You feel like comparing THEIR careers?

...Didn't think so.


"Oh no he di-ent"

What a doosh. I also know from a friend who hung with LA at PSU and through his NFL tenure that Arrington smoked more weed than Bob Marley.

Shocker.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5518992

Purse string strategery is afoot.

Good thing wapo is laser focused on the westbrook situation.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Lavar is kinda like Haynesworth. Both want/wanted to be great but wanted to do it on their terms and freelance as they see/saw fit. Nowhere as big of an ahole as Fat Albert though.

Who has ever hyped Marko Mitchell besides some diehard Redskin fans. Nevada fans? Vinny? People who don't follow the Skins probably have no idea who the hell this guy is. With good reason.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 1, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

2 Time first team All American, that is Great...

Posted by: Stu27 | September 1, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Lavar is kinda like Haynesworth."

Only when Haynesworth plays in 3 pro-bowls in a Skins uni.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow NPI...you should probably just stop with analogies. You're REALLY bad at it...

While I agree that calling LaVar "great" is a stretch, saying anything other than he was the best player we had on defense for a while is selling him a bit short. He did get to Pro-Bowls more for highlight reel hits than actual production (which I would compare to Roy Williams in Dall-ass...not some f-ed Muslim analogy or a practice squad lifer like Marko), but let's not act like the guy couldn't play. Just because he didn't play HoF level ball didn't mean he didn't play well at all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

For those who don't respect Lavar's 3 pro-bowls, he as also a 2nd team All-Pro selection, twice.

These accompliments all took place in his first 4 years, before injuries took hold.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

2 Time first team All American, that is Great...

Posted by: Stu27 | September 1, 2010 11:44 AM |

So was Brian Bosworth. At least the 'Boz was also a 2 time academic all-American. I wonder where Arrington was on THAT list, lol.

So your point is?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Alan, since when is pro-bowl selections the deciding factor in greatness?


At my last count other things are thrown in there too when determining one's greatness.

It's been recognized for a while now how much of a joke the pro bowl really is.


Roy f-ing L. Williams has made the pro bowl FIVE freakin' times. London Fletcher has made a grand total of ONE.

The pro bowl isn't anything more than a glorified popularity contest. It's something I don't put too much stock in.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Like I said, it's universally accepted that Gregg Williams and Marvin Lewis were both tops of the league in terms of their defensive schemes and neither one thought much of Arrington.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse"

No, it isn't. Acutally, it's closer to universally accepted that Marvin Lewis loved Lavar Arrington and built his defense entirely around Lavar's playmaking ability. That's why, under Marvin Lewis, Lavar Arrington was universally accepted as one of the top 5 LBs in the league, despite his youth.

Even Gregg Williams knew the ability of Arrington was rarely matched, despite their feud. Williams struggled with Arrington because Williams built his defense around Sean Taylor, and Lavar resisted adapting to a secondary role. But when GG built his most powerful defense with the Skins (the 2005 playoff run), Lavar was one of his key playmakers as a starting LB. Or did you forget Lavar's interception against Tampa Bay in the playoffs which he returned to the 6 yard line, resulting in a Portis TD? Or his forced fumble later that game that won us that playoff game (returned by ST21)? Or Lavar's hit on Shaun Alexander in Seattle that knocked Alexander out of the contest in the first quarter?

Of course those plays were forgotten. Because apparently Lavar "cost us more games than he ever won."

Get over it. Lavar earned every bit of praise he had as a Redskin. The man was a playmaker like few others in this league, and he helped carry this defense numerous times to excellent results.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Pfunk...

So what if dudehasnt had ten tds in a yr.....

Last year he had nine.....

How many did our wrs have as a group????? Probly less than nine...

Ill leave the lookin up of the details to you....

See I don't care how he get a 1k wr, I just want us to get one.....

50 for 5 ain't bad........10 per yr.....

Cp26 gets 8 or 9 per yr, hayny gets like 14mil per year

Why not pay a player who actually can help us down the road...

Back to back duis?????? That was over four yrs ago in 2006

Back to back with a five yr gap???

People screw up, big ben rapped 2 women n people would still invite him over to dinner. VJ gets 2 dui's n now he's a worse role model then benny boy?????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Lavar is kinda like Haynesworth. Both want/wanted to be great but wanted to do it on their terms and freelance as they see/saw fit. Nowhere as big of an ahole as Fat Albert though.

Who has ever hyped Marko Mitchell besides some diehard Redskin fans. Nevada fans? Vinny? People who don't follow the Skins probably have no idea who the hell this guy is. With good reason.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 1, 2010 11:42 AM


Now THAT'S a good analogy. A 1st rounder coasting on talent in lieu of working hard is NOT the same as a guy taken at the very end of the draft with no discernible ability to play at the pro level. I've NEVER seen anyone outside of RI doing anything remotely related to "hyping" Marko Mitchell. NOBODY...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

beep...cut and paste from PFT...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow NPI...you should probably just stop with analogies. You're REALLY bad at it...

While I agree that calling LaVar "great" is a stretch, saying anything other than he was the best player we had on defense for a while is selling him a bit short. He did get to Pro-Bowls more for highlight reel hits than actual production (which I would compare to Roy Williams in Dall-ass...not some f-ed Muslim analogy or a practice squad lifer like Marko), but let's not act like the guy couldn't play. Just because he didn't play HoF level ball didn't mean he didn't play well at all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM |

Dude, you essentially agreed with all my points save for the 'Skins fanatics blindly elevating Arrington to a god-like status regardless of the actual facts or reason or any other outside factors...


...sort of like the radical Muslims who do the same thing.

Look up the word analogy when you have a minute.

Lastly, it is a FACT that Grilliams and Lewis both benched Arrington which then facilitated his demand for a trade and accusations of screwing him on his contract as well as accusing the 'Skins of putting him back too early after a knee injury that robbed him of a lot of his speed.

I guess you think I just make stuff up. Oh well, I can't help that. You're flat wrong home boy. Deal with it.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Or did you forget Lavar's interception against Tampa Bay in the playoffs which he returned to the 6 yard line, resulting in a Portis TD? Or his forced fumble later that game that won us that playoff game (returned by ST21)? Or Lavar's hit on Shaun Alexander in Seattle that knocked Alexander out of the contest in the first quarter?

Of course those plays were forgotten. Because apparently Lavar "cost us more games than he ever won."

Get over it. Lavar earned every bit of praise he had as a Redskin. The man was a playmaker like few others in this league, and he helped carry this defense numerous times to excellent results.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM


Dude, not only does EVERYONE remember those specific plays, those were the specific plays that propelled him into the pro-bowl. LOL.

A playmaker like few in the league? Seriously? I mean, really?

Dude, you're a sheep.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow NPI...you should probably just stop with analogies. You're REALLY bad at it...


Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM
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That's because NPI is a fcuking prick...
a Straight up b!tch!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow NPI...you should probably just stop with analogies. You're REALLY bad at it...


Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM
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That's because NPI is a fcuking prick...
a Straight up b!tch!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 12:06 PM |

Hahahaha. Nice, cogent analysis. You're an unsophisticated dooshbag in possession of about as much creativity as on of LaVarr's dreads.

I own you.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, not only does EVERYONE remember those specific plays, those were the specific plays that propelled him into the pro-bowl. LOL.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended"

What?

(a) He didn't make the pro-bowl in 2005.

(b) You can't make the pro-bowl for playoff performances.

Just when I think your argument couldn't hold less clout...

It's like Mike Wise set foot on the blog.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, not only does EVERYONE remember those specific plays, those were the specific plays that propelled him into the pro-bowl. LOL.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended"

What?

(a) He didn't make the pro-bowl in 2005.

(b) You can't make the pro-bowl for playoff performances.

Just when I think your argument couldn't hold less clout...

It's like Mike Wise set foot on the blog.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:13 PM |

Specific plays....specific plays....specific plays.

THAT's how LA made pro-bowls.

Specific plays.

Once more for the slower peeps.

S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C P-L-A-Y-S.

Arrington made the pro-bowl based on specific plays and ESPN highlights.

Throw some cold water on your ugly faces you Arrington true-believers.

He was okay, nowhere near great. Deal with it.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Alright Punt, I'm done with this argument. you're even slower than I imagined, and that's pretty low considering my opinion of you when we started this discussion.

Your argument is that Lavar Arrington made "specific" highlight reel plays that won games (including in the playoffs) on a statistically great defense which earned him multiple all-pro awards and pro-bowl trips, and this somehow translates into being "okay, but nowhere near great" based on your ignorant assumption that Gregg Williams and (laughably) Marvin Lewis didn't think much of him.

You live in your own world. More power to you.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Phillip Buchanon has yet to impress me this pre-season.

Posted by: alex35332

Yes, but I talked to Phillip and he is very impressed with you. He says you are one of the best no nothing bloggers he has ever read.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Mike Wise reported on his Twitter account that Byron Westbrook has been released by the Redskins.

He cited his source as a casino worker in Lake Tahoe.

Posted by: right-to-self-defense | September 1, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Should I stay or should I go now? ..." - B. Westbrook

Posted by: bigbassdrum | September 1, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Just saying getting cut from NFL teams, especially early in your career, isn't the end of the road for a player.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 10:56 AM"

And on the face of that I would agree, but getting cut by three teams pretty hungry to desperate for WRs--that is something else entirely.

Not saying he'll never make it somewhere, just that there must be something significant those teams didn't like about Marko for WAS/DET/MIN all to cut him.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | September 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Mike Wise - Brilliant!
Most of Today's *reporters* - Dumkoffs (to quote Hogan's Heores :)

Posted by: terptek | September 1, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

ACtually Buchannon's fumble came on defense, and it was only after he had been soundly beaten off the line and caught on.

Posted by: zeesson | September 1, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

ACtually Buchannon's fumble came on defense, and it was only after he had been soundly beaten off the line and caught on.

Posted by: zeesson | September 1, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

ACtually Buchannon's fumble came on defense, and it was only after he had been soundly beaten off the line and caught on.

Posted by: zeesson | September 1, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


Phillip Buchanon has yet to impress me this pre-season.

Posted by: alex35332

Yes, but I talked to Phillip and he is very impressed with you. He says you are one of the best no nothing bloggers he has ever read.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA, POD Nominee

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 1, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

By watching last years play, Justin Tryon stands alone as far as a NFL caliber competitor. He will be in the NFL somewhere with a team that fights to win.
Compete--not entertain, finesse, lose and undeserving of respect.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | September 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

NICE FACT CHECK!!!!!!!!!!! Journalism schools across the country now have another example of amateur work. This is the EXACT POINT MIKE WISE was trying to make, they report it and you JUST TYPE IT UP.....

Posted by: MajorFacemask | September 1, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

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