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Veteran Vonnie Holliday a good fit on the defensive line

This offseason, the Redskins have put a lot of effort into giving themselves options along the defensive line as they transition from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 front. The most recent addition to that unit is 13-year veteran defensive lineman Vonnie
Holliday, who was signed before the start of the team's first organized team activities (OTAs) last week.

Holliday, who gained experience playing in the 3-4 during several stops in his career, said he came to Washington because he believes he has the ability to contribute and because the team has made changes that has it moving in the right direction.

"In watching this team last year, very competitive team, very close, felt like a lot of the pieces were addressed this offseason in terms of moving this team forward," Holliday said. "Donovan [McNabb] was a big addition and offensively should just be a whole lot better than they were last year. Just seemed like to me a good fit, a great opportunity at this point in my career to continue to play, one, and also to be very competitive and try to get me a ring before I get out of here."

Redskins' Coach Mike Shanahan sees Holliday as a good fit for what he wants to do defensively.

"I've followed him throughout his career," Shanahan said. "He has been a class act and a good football player. I think his skills fit in very well with our scheme, what we're doing defensively."

Holliday said this defense is very similar to schemes he saw while playing under Nick Saban in Miami and in Denver last season. He said he was focused on learning
the new terminology and that he has been playing end in nickel and dime packages since signing.

Holliday, 34, has played with five organizations in 12 seasons. Last year with the Broncos he played a role in 33 tackles, posted five sacks and forced two fumbles. He started three times but appeared in all 16 games.

The veteran said he was fine with whatever role he is asked to play in
Washington.

"I'm getting older. As long as we're winning, as long as we got the right guys on the field and the guy that's playing ahead of me is a guy that's going in and getting it done, I'm fine with that," Hollidaysaid.

Listed at 6 feet 5 and 285 pounds, Holliday is one of the lightest linemen on the roster, but he said he can take advantage of technique and speed in certain situations. Holliday also said the team has asked him, and most other lineman to put on pounds.

"All the D-linemen even the big guys, everybody is putting on weight," he said. "So they definitely want a big, big defensive front and I'm going to do my best to put the weight on but at the same time be able to compete at a level I'm used to playing at.

"It seems like all the guys, once they gain 10 pounds, they...gain five more, so I'm going
to try to put on about 10 more pounds."

Holliday was asked how difficult he thought it would be for lineman Albert Haynesworth to get up to speed once he shows up for practice.

"The thing is, he's a tremendous talent," Holliday said. "He can play
this game. The 3-4 defense is a lot different than a 4-3, so...once he does get here he's going to have to really, really put in a lot of work...

"But we're going to have to do what we have to do because we're a much better defense, I think, with him."

By Paul Tenorio  |  May 27, 2010; 2:00 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Mike Shanahan , offseason workouts  
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Not a big fan of so many signings of older guys ... but Holliday seems like one of the better ones -- like Hicks, there's a role he'll fill nicely.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

its easier to re-build the roster quick with vets

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Dimetry Giovonni "Vonnie" Holliday.

That's an impressive name!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 27, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"I think there are a lot of folks that are confusing what Goodell can do under the PED policy versus what Goodell can do under the Personal Conduct policy."


This division is why Santana's case is perhaps more nettlesome than, say, one where he was found to have been in possession of a narcotic or engaged in domestic abuse.

You can't prove Moss did anything.

You have to take him at his word when he says he wasn't sure about what Galea treated him with.

Baseball players, cyclists, and Olympic athletes are immediately slammed with long term sanction for what pro football players walk away unscatched with.

Which is why the league is in a tough position media/image wise with regard to the issue.

For example, another player who tested positive for PEDs/HGH--B Cushing--is Defensive Rookie of the Year after a re-vote.

And he follows S Merriam and J Peppers.

There is a national media story that questions the league's seriousness about the issue.

Sure, Goodell can take Santana at his word and move on without punishing him.

And most folks will look at his actions, and say, "The NFL cares if you act of drunken control in a strip club, carry a gun after your life was threatened, or beat up a girlfriend who attacked you."

"But as for needles--it's all good."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Some of these "depth" veterans are going to really help the team late in the season. Rotating these guys in will keep the line fresh and we won't see too big a drop off in play. They are also a big influence in camp, in the training room, and in the weight room. They know what it takes to play in this league and they set the tone for the younger guys.

Having said that, here's the mandate to Bruce Allen: get more quality young guys. You have enough grizzled veterans.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If there's no failed drug test, and no admission from Tana or the Doc that any HGH actually went into his body, then this is a moot point.

I think there are alot of folks that are confusing what Goodell can do under the PED policy versus what Goodell can do under the Personal Conduct policy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 1:34 P

You keep saying this and you're wrong. First, if the doc is found guilty of bringing HGH into the US and injecting it into Moss, that's enough for Goodell to punish under the PED policy. Second, even if the Dr. G escapes punishment, there is nothing that prohibits Goodell from calling Moss in and agrilling him about his relationship with Dr. G (why did you contact him, how did you hear about him, what were told he could do for you, tell me exactly what he did to you, when, how, who present, what was your expected outcome, what did he inject in you, you don't know, didn't you ask, why not, weren't you concerned, you weren't, why not) and Moss can't plead the Fifth. Moss can't get a pass because he willfully chose to be blind to what Dr. G was doing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2010 2:09 PM

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"An editing handoff on this here blog"



Goodbye, mistamayor.

Sorry to see you go before your term ends.

You and 'beep-beep' are encouraged to continue trolling RI to generate chatta.

And as for whatever blog you go to, it'll probably be All Haynesworth All Day.

'Cuz under your 'leadership,' that's what this place has become.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I get what you are saying but I disagree. I am thinking that the doctor's defense is going to be the HGH was a relatively new treatment and out of all of the players he treated, none of them received HGH. If the doctor has any records - which would have been foolish when you knowingly broke the law - then they are in Canada, out of reach of a US subpoena. So, there is no proof here of what happened. It is all conjecture. The US legal system can go after the doctor for having his assistant transport the goods, but the rest cannot be proven unless a player comes forward and admits they knowingly were treated with HGH. I can't see any player doing that. What we will end up with is a lot of suspicion but no proof - kind of what we have now.

The players and the league will be negotiating a new labor contract. I suspect this issue will be included in the talks. The NFLPA does not want to hand the commish the power to suspend players on very little proof. I believe they will push for no suspension unless prosecuted or tested positive. Circumstantial evidence will no longer be a precedent for suspensions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"The players and the league will be negotiating a new labor contract. I suspect this issue will be included in the talks."

Indeed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It didn't look like much to me. Funny how him and Marquis Daniels both went down with concussions. And the shot Daniels too seemed weaker than the one Davis took.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2010 7:53 AM |

Hey, the worst blow besides the one your sister gave me last night (she's a real scraper) was the whack to Pierce in game 2. Knocked his head orthogonal to his neck. Looked like the old bean would snap right off. But he managed to shake it off. With Daniels it looked like one of the Magic breathed on the dude and he conked out. Not a team that of Heinsohns and Havliceks is it? Those old guys on the C's are going to have to call in Dr. Galea to pump some new life into those weary old bones for game 6.

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 2:26 PM

agreed, with one additional comment.

seems like there are several ways to add depth... hire grizzled vets, build young prospects from within, and/or draft promising rookies.

given that they inherited someone else's roster, and free agency was kind of weird this year, BA and MS have done the best they can.

if the front office is really sticking around to rebuild the franchise, I'd anticipate younger players in years to come.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The NFLPA does not want to hand the commish the power to suspend players on very little proof.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 2:37 PM |

He already has it and he ain't giving it up. It is critical that the league look as clean as possible to the casual sports fan (the majority) and Goodell intends to do everything within his powers to make that happen. If someone shows him copy of court docs that demonstrate Tana got HGH injections from Dr. G he won't have much wiggle room will he?

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

MAybe when the doctor told him what he was going to inject into Moss' body, he didn't use the word 'HGH' and called it something else???

Total misunderstanding. Moss will still get a 4 game suspension, but won't lose his reputation.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

An editing handoff on this here blog

BFD. WaPo needs to improve blog content. A good first step would be to ice the Pillsbury Doughboy.

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It is critical that the league look as clean as possible to the casual sports fan (the majority)...

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 2:48 PM

do hard-core sports fans favor PEDs? my guess is that opinions on this are all over the place.

personally (somewhere between casual and the rest) would prefer a level and unadulterated playing field that showcases talent and hard work.

as a fan -- regardless of level of engagement -- I do feel cheated when the game isn't played by the rules.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Moss isn't going to lose his reputation over this. I think he's probably getting some respect for being aggressive in trying to heal his injuries while walking the safe side of the line against getting caught. Thing is, he didn't get caught the usual way -- he got busted because the Doc got busted.

Goodell has too much at stake here to let it slide. He's going to find a way to punish Moss -- hopefully in a way where the punishment fits the crime. Which is to say Moss's punishment could be different than Cushing's.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

He already has it and he ain't giving it up. It is critical that the league look as clean as possible to the casual sports fan (the majority) and Goodell intends to do everything within his powers to make that happen. If someone shows him copy of court docs that demonstrate Tana got HGH injections from Dr. G he won't have much wiggle room will he?

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse
__________

Sheriff G doesn't necessarily even need any court docs. He's not bound by the traditional criminal court standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt", or even a lower civil court standard. He has the power to punish under the "conduct detrimental" policy to punish if he has enough reason to believe that the player has "tarnished the shield", whatever that means. For 'Tana's sitaution, it could be as little as Sheriff G having reason to believe that 'Tana sought medical treatment that is, at best, questionable, from a doctor who wasn't licensed to practice medicine in the location where the treatment was performed (I assume VA), which he's already admitted if media reports are to be believed. That alone might be enough to merit some sort of punishment under the NFL's policy in Goodell's mind.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 27, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

We could sit up here and discuss what proof or lack there of the commisioner has. It doesn't really matter. Goodell will call Santana into his office and say,"Your name was linked to a doctor that sold HGH." Santana has already admitted so.

That's a wrap. 4 game suspension, no questions asked. Very simple.

If you play in the NFL, you don't want this doctor in your area code.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye, mistamayor.

Sorry to see you go before your term ends.

You and 'beep-beep' are encouraged to continue trolling RI to generate chatta.

And as for whatever blog you go to, it'll probably be All Haynesworth All Day.

'Cuz under your 'leadership,' that's what this place has become.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 2:36 PM

Uh...Moe? We're losing Cindy, not JReid. You can pull your pants up now.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

as a fan -- regardless of level of engagement -- I do feel cheated when the game isn't played by the rules.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 2:59 PM


You might as well keep a blind eye because the rules ALWAYS get broken some type of way. ALWAYS. I think you're statement is too general.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"An editing handoff on this here blog"

Goodbye, mistamayor.

Sorry to see you go before your term ends.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 2:36 PM |

Imbecile. Don't you understand what editing means and what J Reid does. Christ on a crutch.

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

In transitioning to the 3-4 we are signing a lot of guys that are 34.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | May 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

In transitioning to the 3-4 we are signing a lot of guys that are 34.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | May 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Rodney Harrison got 4 games, for buying HGH....

I suspect Moss will get the same.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Good point.

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Rodney Harrison got 4 games, for buying HGH....

I suspect Moss will get the same.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 3:05 PM |

Good point also.

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You might as well keep a blind eye because the rules ALWAYS get broken some type of way. ALWAYS. I think you're statement is too general.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 3:02 PM

sure, they get broken all the time... but there are different levels of relative damage, and sports aren't such without rules. just saying that the whole PED business detracts rather than contributes to my enjoyment.

even Roman gladiator matches had some basic guidelines. somewhat like teaching the calves to play Candyland, only fun if participants and spectators buy into the basic premise.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

So who is so Holy Enough amongst us to do the classification of levels of relative damage? Because last time I checked, those Gladiator rules were sjk'd up! Especially when it was the 1st centaurary (sp?) Christians vs. Lions, Tigers, and whatever else animals.....And you think those were fair rules????????

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 3:20 PM

MOL! of course the gladiator rules were stacked... often against the poor suckers who were pitted w/out weapons against the lions.

not trying to define your standards of enjoyment. in general, though, I think sports and other games represent a type of social contract. like all such things, boundaries will be pushed.

for myself, would prefer that PEDs weren't part of the pantheon of pro sports in the 21st century.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

In transitioning to the 3-4 we are signing a lot of guys that are 34.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | May 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Just be happy we did not decide to go with the 5-2 fronts.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Christians vs. Lions, Tigers, and whatever else animals.....And you think those were fair rules????????

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Just put a roofie in a steak, then season it with pepper. But not cinammon, tigers hate cinammon. He'll be down in no time.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 27, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Christians vs Lions and Tigers was not gladiator games, gladiator games consists of professional men fighting each other, or it consisted of slaves fighting each other.

Christians vs Lions and Tigers was more along the lines of a half time show.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 27, 2010 3:29 PM

actually... we tend to get along just fine, unless nap time has been delayed. then all hell breaks loose.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/cow%20tiger%20lion/Bellasbargains/CCF10152009_00001.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

actually... we tend to get along just fine, unless nap time has been delayed. then all hell breaks loose.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/cow%20tiger%20lion/Bellasbargains/CCF10152009_00001.jpg


Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

That's ridiculous

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 27, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Just be happy we did not decide to go with the 5-2 fronts.

Posted by: alex35332


a few months away from going to that 5-2 myself

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2010 3:32 PM

good point, alex.

need to get back to work after re-immersing in the wonderful (albeit sans Cindy) world of RI.

glad to be removed of the bothersome moo-in-law, and will try to equilibrate per other posters named Moe.

although four posts per day sounds like a rather stringent limit.

cheers and g'afternoon all!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I always wondered why they were called roofies, ’cause you’re more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call ‘em floories.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Alan Garner: He's jackin' his little weenus!
Phil Wenneck: Pull yourself together, bro!
Alan Garner: Not at the table, Carlos!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

a few months away from going to that 5-2 myself

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Got to be better than that 2-7 I am gonna try and run in October.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"You.....are encouraged to continue trolling RI to generate chatta."

Review the following scraps tossed from the peanut gallery at the elephant that dominates the stage:

"Imbecile. Don't you understand what editing means and what J Reid does. Christ on a crutch."

Posted by: SonOfStan

"Uh...Moe? We're losing Cindy, not JReid. You can pull your pants up now."

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz


Obviously, these 'gentlemen' seem to believe I, like them, can't Reid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

A couple of interesting points mentioned by Ryan O'Hallaran or whatever his name is:

1) the team (and each player in the league) has been warned that this Galea dude is peddling bad stuff, and to stay away from him. Players are also asked to report any medical treatment to the team medical staff. Santana didn't.
2) the evidence in the case is pretty hard to miss out. Not only is there an assistant to Galea who will be pleading out, and was likely present at treatment of various athletes, but they seized a book from his office with complete schedules - .e.g., Player A got HGH on day X, travel receipts, and medical notes on each player.

So those of you who are saying a)Santana didn't know this was a bad guy or b)he is not responsible because he 'didn't know' it was HGH or c)it's OK that he didn't follow the precedent in the StarCaps case (you are responsible for what gets in your body) or d) there is not a strong legal case: you are wrong.

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 27, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, pardon my torrential BRAINPOUR, but summa is officially teed up, and school is out..Best Fishes To All, and May Cod Have Mercy On Your Sole, Proceed...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9iIKn1Bl6c

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

just tuned in....saw something about "christ on a crutch". how long's he out for? do we have an reliable back up?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

they say John the Baptist is a good back up, but he tends to lose his head in key situations.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 27, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

JohnDinHouston,
good one...served up for ya on a silver platter....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, pardon my torrential BRAINPOUR, but summa is officially teed up, and school is out..Best Fishes To All, and May Cod Have Mercy On Your Sole, Proceed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9iIKn1Bl6c

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2010 4:37 PM |

Good word play.

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

My Vonnie lies over the ocean...

That name is weird.

Vonnie and Clyde.

"I hope you have yourself a great holliday - oh, yes, an absolutely vonnie holliday - to you and yours"

What?!

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Review the following scraps tossed from the peanut gallery at the elephant that dominates the stage:

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 4:14 PM |

More like a flea yelling "open the drawbridge!"

Posted by: SonOfStan | May 27, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

the blog is feeling very postmodern today.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You keep saying this and you're wrong.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2010 2:09 PM

I Love it. I can just feel (relate to) the frustration in response to constantly reading some asinine statement over and over - the more asinine, the more they post it, and the more people jump on board. It's great.

By the way, when do we move Carlos Rogers to Free Safety?

I sure am glad Campbell's gone - he was really holding back our sophisticated Offense last year. Super Bowl!!!

I hope the Skins pick up TO. I mean, instead of O Linemen, I hope we just pick up 12 more washed up receivers - THAT way, McNabb can just play 500, because we'll outnumber the defenders 25 to 11, and 4 or 5 of their 11 will be in the offensive backfield, vs our 1 in the backfield, leaving a 24 to 7 advantage downfield. AND this great philosophy WOULD HAVE WORKED LAST YEAR, except Campbell messed it up by holding the ball too long (normally about 2 steps).

I hope we cut Haynesworth's fat butt. If he aint with us, well, he's against us! Shanny will cut him, trade him for a 3rd rounder in 2015! It's coming! I'm telling you! and I'm ALL for it! (And cut Portis, too - he's a locker room cancer!)

And finally, on my list of oft-heard moronic statements, Sant... Oh, sorry, I'll use the super cool handle: Tana will not be suspended. There's no proof.

Shuffle and repeat and you have the blog here.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"So Vaughny, what made you pick DC?"

"Oh, you know, basically, nobody else wanted my ass. I'm an undersized 12 year vet with a history of injuries. To be honest, I can't believe they're gonna pay me. And even though I may only play the nickel, they're gonna pay me in US Dollars. So, I'm excited. To get that ring, of course. We're gonna win the Super Bowl next year. That's why I chose the Redskins. I've been watching them from a distance for the last few years, TiVoing all their games, and saying to myself, "Vonny, that team there is one washed up D Lineman away from a Super Bowl." So, it was a natural fit.

B f-ing S.

Paycheck. Period. Waste of a uniform.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Reed Doubty signed his contract... very tenderly, as reported. With great care and sensuality. Gingerly, even. Yet, deep inside, the excitement was turning him into a raging beast. His heart betrayed him. And the sweaty palms which smeared his tender signature upon the contract told an entirely different story.

Oh, tender, indeed, Mr. Doubty. Tender, indeed.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"its easier to re-build the roster quick with vets"

Here's the thing, these guys are all being asked to be "role players."

In the past the Redskins brought in old guys to be 3 down players. Bruce Smith and Deion WAYYYYY past thier primes are a good examples.

With exception of DMac, I honestly don't see any of these guys on the field all four downs.

Shanny is building "depth" something this organization has not had in years. Eventually these guys will be phased out, but it's not like they are asking the world from them.

My only issue is lack of LB's, but it does all start up front clearly something Shanny understands that previous coaches did not.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 27, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

rmcazz,
that's a great point about the vets we're bringing in. also, we're NOT outbidding everybody to pay these guys top dollar.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Cindy-

Good bye and thanks for all the fish.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"I think some people believe it has. Some people believe it's less obvious it has," Suttles said. "What we do believe we've done is successfully pumped some mud, some of this drilling mud, into this wellbore."

sorry to insert a non-sequitur, but this is some classic triple-speak rhetoric.

pouring cheladas for PR folks everywhere.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

from a few days ago, where the age of the team is headed on offense:

Last year's opening day, closing day, 2010 forecast and where I would have gone with it.

Age as of Sept 1, 2009:
OL: Samuels 32, Dockery 28, Rabach 31, Thomas 33, Heyer 25
Receivers: Kelly 23, Moss 30, ARE 30, Cooley 27
Backs: Campbell 27, Portis 28

OL avg: 29.8
Offense avg: 28.6

Age as of Dec 31, 2009
OL: Jones 30, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, BMW 29, Heyer 25
Receivers: Kelly 24, Moss 30, ARE 30, Davis 23
Backs: Campbell 28, Ganther 25

OL avg: 29.0
Offense avg: 27.7


Age as Sept 1, 2010
OL: T Williams 22, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, BMW 30, Hicks 31
Receivers: Kelly 24, Moss 31, Thomas 23, Davis 24
Backs: McNabb 33, Portis 29

OL avg: 28.8
Offense avg: 28.0

I did give my 2 cents before, and I'd have done the following differently. Kept Campbell and Q Ganther, traded 2nd round pick for Gaither (Ravens OT). If not that, trade 2nd round pick + something for M Pouncey (center, age 21) and replace Rabach, OK to go with Hicks at RT.

Sept 1, 2010
OL: T Williams 22, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, BMW 30, Gaither 24 (or TW, Dock, Pouncey, BMW, Hicks)
Receivers: Kelly 24, Moss 31, Thomas 23, Davis 24
Backs: Campbell 28, Ganther 26

My OL avg: 27.4 (or 26.6)
My offense avg: 26.6 (or 26.2)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The Cheleda

Coarse salt
ice cubes
juice of 1 to 2 limes
12 oz of Negra Modelo.
optional, for a michelada add two dashes of Worcestershire and two dashes of Tobasco

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The Cheleda

Coarse salt
ice cubes
juice of 1 to 2 limes
12 oz of Negra Modelo.
optional, for a michelada add two dashes of Worcestershire and two dashes of Tobasco

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 8:27 PM |

Now is that actually 1 to 2 limes or wedges? If those are whole limes thats one damn limeny beer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I havent been around, is everyone hatin on Moss or is he still the Teflon don?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Were old and now older

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Coarse salt
ice cubes
juice of 1 to 2 limes
12 oz of Negra Modelo.
optional, for a michelada add two dashes of Worcestershire and two dashes of Tobasco
24 oz Ketel One vodka

Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 27, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Coarse salt
ice cubes
juice of 1 to 2 limes
12 oz of Negra Modelo.
optional, for a michelada add two dashes of Worcestershire and two dashes of Tobasco
24 oz Ketel One vodka

Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 27, 2010 8:55 PM |

I believe thats called a "Piss Drunk" or a "Drunk as Balls."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

now that we're pulling up actual recipes... just want to say that the etymology of mixology is quite confused when it comes to cheladas, micheladas, etc,

my preferred concoction is of the tomato and clam juice variety, but variations thereof are perfectly acceptable on a nice summer day.

skip the vodka please.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Haven't heard any DK's in a while. Nice pull.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 9:35 PM

likewise, kudos for DKs.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Dang I can't think of anything. Could go Sub-lime, but man all that sjk is tired.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 27, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess Squeeze will work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYiylIluQQ

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 27, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Two pints of booze, tell me are you a bad fish too?

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 27, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Two pints of booze, tell me are you a bad fish too?

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 9:56 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkGn9lNH1GQ

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

If not that, trade 2nd round pick + something for M Pouncey (center, age 21) and replace Rabach,

_____________________________
Pouncey want number 18. It would have taken a whole lot more then the 2nd + something to get him.

Posted by: lifelongfan | May 27, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought the article was going to announce that Johnny Holiday had replaced Larry Michael in the broadcast booth. Now I'm bummed.

Posted by: bfjam | May 27, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

It's thirsty Thursday which means link night..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhUqo9Aivs&feature=fvw

I don't partake anymore but believe the sweet, sweet, stinky weed should be legal.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

quote of the day:

D.C. native Westbrook says he would 'love to be a part' of Redskins

http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/Q-and-A/An-Interview-With-Brian-Westbrook/

Posted by: zatoichi77 | May 27, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I just don't see Albert playing much for Washington this season -- perhaps not at all. So accumulating vets like Holliday, Carriker, and Kemeoatu, not to mention some of the lesser signings, is just common sense. It may look like depth now, but those guys may wind up starting a bunch of games (two of them as NTs.) It looks now like Lo Alexander won't be available for the d-line, either. So instead of having too many d-linemen, the way it seemed a month ago, we could conceivably need to pick up yet another veteran before the preseason ends.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 27, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Miss Cindy on your new endevour!

You have been FANtastic here and hopefully you will visit from time to time.

Maybe we will have a chance to warm up the bandwagon this around November.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 27, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I just don't see Albert playing much for Washington this season -- perhaps not at all. So accumulating vets like Holliday, Carriker, and Kemeoatu, not to mention some of the lesser signings, is just common sense. It may look like depth now, but those guys may wind up starting a bunch of games (two of them as NTs.) It looks now like Lo Alexander won't be available for the d-line, either. So instead of having too many d-linemen, the way it seemed a month ago, we could conceivably need to pick up yet another veteran before the preseason ends.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 27, 2010 10:55 PM

i think he'll play plenty this season but the longer he pulls this crap the less likely he is to play a position that he wants to play. I don't see Shanny rewarding this type of behavior.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Holliday is an example of a great vet sign. Smart guy, familiar with the system were putting in place, surprisingly insightful, seems pretty upstanding, and understands his role as a back-up. Seems to care more about winning than a giant pay check.

Posted by: mcgratsp | May 27, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I think if he makes it through the year and is still with the team, he'll be here next offseason.
How's the west coast treatin' ya Scamp?

Posted by: msrent | May 27, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Treatin' me lovely msrent, thanks for asking.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Pouncey went number 18. It would have taken a whole lot more then the 2nd + something to get him.

Posted by: lifelongfan

Depends on the something. Our 2nd was 37th(?) overall, so it would have taken the 2nd plus a quality starter plus maybe a 2011 pick as well.

But it wasn't some massive stretch. Guys like Cooley, Landry, Carter are talented enough players that would get you pretty close. Also, would have considered trading down from 4th overall to 6th overall (get either Williams or Okung) and use the slot we got in exchange to get us further up in the draft.

Bottom line is that we need OL more than we need anything else. And I would have liked to get younger in 2 places on the OL this year, and finish the job next.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed my couple years in SOCAL, before moving to Utah (which I turly love, regretably now moving to Houston). I thought the weather couldn't be better til I saw Utah summer, but it's pretty dam nice in SOCAL. Never could get over the freezing people when it got below 60 degrees. Heavy coats all bundled up. Being from MD/DC area I knew the change of the seasons. Pretty comical. Good luck to you and hope all goes well. Do us all a favor and see what you can do with the polics down there. I couldn't change it, too old maybe. Simply outnumbered & not enough time. Take care.
MSR

Posted by: msrent | May 27, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

politics, but I assume you knew what I meant.
Good luck.
MSR

Posted by: msrent | May 27, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed my couple years in SOCAL, before moving to Utah (which I turly love, regretably now moving to Houston). I thought the weather couldn't be better til I saw Utah summer, but it's pretty dam nice in SOCAL. Never could get over the freezing people when it got below 60 degrees. Heavy coats all bundled up. Being from MD/DC area I knew the change of the seasons. Pretty comical. Good luck to you and hope all goes well. Do us all a favor and see what you can do with the polics down there. I couldn't change it, too old maybe. Simply outnumbered & not enough time. Take care.
MSR

Posted by: msrent | May 27, 2010 11:40 PM |

Thanks for the good wishes. Im assuming you were talking about the politics? Luckily I'm behind the Orange Curtain. But I swore it off from the blog so I'll leave it at that. Why Houston? I'm guessing work.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Artest...

Kobe 30pts 11reb 9ast

kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>Queen James.

Full disclosure: I'm not a fan of either, but at least everyone can put the Queen talk to bed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Work, yes. I've come to the conclusion that you'll never change someone's political beliefs (at least anyone over 30-35). It's not worth the time to argue (I've got a brother, who is a judge, formerly lawyer of course. Liberal as can be. When we argue, it doesn't end well. So we just keep it to football/family, whatever just not politics anymore, mom doesn't like it when we get all hot & bothered) has to be done at a younger age. Orange Curtain is good. And despite the general population most folks will get along as long as you don't talk politics. Though that isn't easy these days.

Posted by: msrent | May 27, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for football @ 10:00 AM. I got used to it, but liked mountain time @ 11 better. It's great for Sunday & Monday night games though. (MST ain't bad either for night games)

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Artest...

Kobe 30pts 11reb 9ast

kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>Queen James.

Full disclosure: I'm not a fan of either, but at least everyone can put the Queen talk to bed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 11:50 PM

I disagree, Kobe is a giant doosh and has a much better supporting cast. Besides, Kobe looks like a mentally handicap child when he does that lower jaw thing after he scores.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 28, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Are you ready for football @ 10:00 AM. I got used to it, but liked mountain time @ 11 better. It's great for Sunday & Monday night games though. (MST ain't bad either for night games)

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 12:00 AM | Report

I lived in San Diego about 20 years ago so it won't be that big of a deal. Just have to get used to late church during football season.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 28, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Scamp- He's def a doosch, however I use results as the only way to quantify any comparison. Adv Kobe.

It's the licking of his lips that drives me crazy. Maybe he needs a lip balm, I've never used one.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 28, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

The church thing is tough, even in Utah, it's either 7 AM or 11 AM (not acceptable, kickoff time). So get up at 5 or earliar for me (I need 2 hours of coffee to function in the real world). But you do get the night games without being a zomby at work.

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Scamp- He's def a doosch, however I use results as the only way to quantify any comparison. Adv Kobe.

It's the licking of his lips that drives me crazy. Maybe he needs a lip balm, I've never used one.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 28, 2010 12:18 AM

Again, one man never won a championship. Even Jordan couldn't do it by himself. Lebrons team seems to disappear when it counts. Jameson scored what' 5 points in game 5? He was supposed to be THE backup. Pippen to Michael, etc. Kobe has one hell of a supporting cast in LA. Given another year Cleveland could do that. The problem is that Mo and West are 2 of the most inconsistent players around and Jameson turned out about the same.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 28, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, Obama can't have an opinion on anything without idiots yelling at him to get to work. Were you people as mad when Bush spent 490 days on vacation during his two terms???
I'm not a big Obama supporter by any means but you people make me sick.
FYI Presidents don't have nearly as much power/influence as most people think.

Posted by: Risa_L | May 28, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Teddy Roosevelt said it best in 1903: "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language..And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

I don't recall any post on this thread about Obama. What's the point of bringing it up here???

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Shame dudes are still hating on Kobe for beating the ALLEGED and FRAUDULENT rape charge. MoFo's must've been thinking: 'Awww sh*t, not again!'

Why else would you hate they guy? All he does is win.

Arrogance?

Show me ANY all-time great NBA player that wasn't arrogant?

Threw teammates under the bus?

Jordan threw his teammates all the time, but people conveniently seem to forget about that.

Outside what do you have? WHAT?!?!?!

Keep the hate up haters. It only fuels the dude. Man is the best doing it since MJ and is easily one of the top three Lakers of all time.

Get over it.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how these Republicans and Tea Party types want nothing more than to see the U.S. become a bigger punch line than it already is

Posted by: Risa_L | May 28, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

msrent, we've got some RI people down in Houston... maybe sufficient numbers to merit a meet-up, if not a full-blown shabingus. Something to think about when you head south by southeast...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 28, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

That first paragraph was from another blog. Don't know how it came up here, but I do agree with it. Wasn't intended for this post.

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Nate;
I know of JohnDinhouston, who else we got here?

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Red;

I hate Kobe, but realize he is the best in the game now. Still a rapest though. And Ben and who the he!! else?

Posted by: msrent | May 28, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I hate Kobe, but realize he is the best in the game now. Still a rapest though.

Posted by: msrent


Right, because someone with the stature of a Kobe Bryant would have to rape a chick who a) had five different semen samples in her drawers, and b) had felt so violated b the "act" that she bragged to her friends about getting "raped" by Kobe Bryant.

The "rapist" knock has sailed. Time for the haters to get some new material.

The broad was a "freak body" and thought she could get a little paper off a millionaire. Plain and simple.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

msrent, in addition to JohnD we've got suzannepdc, who used to be in DC but relocated to Houston in the past year or so. Not posting too often up here these days, but maybe that's because she just got married and was busy or something. And there may be someone else down thataway I'm forgetting.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 28, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

F Tiger Woods

Yay Elin!!!

Posted by: Risa_L | May 28, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Risa_L | May 28, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't like Kobe. What's to like? Michael Jordan did it, too? I didn't like Jordan either.

Now, BOTH of them can play some serious ball. BOTH of them have competitive streaks that redefine the meaning of streaks. That's probably part of why I don't seem to like either one of them. No sense of humor. All business, all the time. Well, ALMOST all the time. Jordan's laundry finally started to come out in the open, but I knew about it from his Carolina days, because I went to college with a guy whose father was part of a team of PR guys who were in charge of his image. Anybody that needs a team to caress his image is doing something wrong. And so he was.

Another observation:

Kobe was a cocky a hole even when he couldn't hit his shots. I remember that, too. All shoot, no pass, brick-o-rama. The only difference between then and now is accuracy and Phil Jackson... and his image team, I'm sure.

But, he's a machine on the court.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Cindy-

Good bye and thanks for all the fish.

Posted by: Diesel44

Excellent. Cindy's "fishiness" apparently could kill a pig at thirty feet. But "so long" Cindy, as douglass adams would say, "It is not the person, but the towel that matters."

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | May 28, 2010 2:46 AM | Report abuse

With some players staying in touch with Fat Albert, he knows he is playing DE and not DT, but he still doesn't want to play a 3-4, thus selfish Fat Albert continues to stay away. This is so hard to swallow after the money he has. Snyder had no clue they were going to a 3-4!

Posted by: artsnsportz | May 28, 2010 3:05 AM | Report abuse

vonnie? lol

Posted by: 44fx290 | May 28, 2010 5:45 AM | Report abuse

just tuned in....saw something about "christ on a crutch". how long's he out for? do we have an reliable back up?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 5:05 PM

"Jesus was a good guy, he didn't need this sh*t."

-John Prine

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 28, 2010 6:01 AM | Report abuse

What kind of name is Vonnie anyway?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 28, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how these Republicans and Tea Party types want nothing more than to see the U.S. become a bigger punch line than it already is

Posted by: Risa_L | May 28, 2010 1:11 AM
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I don't know where you get your information - probably from the liberal controlled media - but I travel around the world for a living and I can tell you right now that this administration has made the US a laughingstock.

We've abandoned Israel. We intimidate North Korea so much that they felt it a good idea to fire torpedoes at South Korean ships. We abandoned Iraq and that country is once again sinking into a world controlled by extremists. We keep dumping more troops into Afghanistan but there's no clear objective. We abandoned Poland and their desire to have some capable missile defense against the Russians. We let Russia slap around Georgia, our sworn ally, and we did nothing to defend them.

Yeah, don't look here for the punchline. It's between your ears.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 28, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Rodney Harrison got 4 games, for buying HGH....

I suspect Moss will get the same.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 3:05 PM
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Didn't Harrison come forth and admit to it? SM says he didn't know. If the Dr. doesn't admit to giving him HGH and if there are no records saying he treated Moss, where is the proof?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 28, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

What kind of name is Vonnie anyway?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan
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dimetry giovonni "vonnie" holliday. apparently its a south carolinian name....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 28, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe is on the beat

"Reflection Eternal" featuring Talib Kweli and H-Tek is a solid hip hop album for people who like rappers who can actually rap.

Everyone else listens to Drake.

Lil Wayne being is jail is the best thing to happen to pop music in years.

Baseball is a summer time pleasure.

That is, until NFL training camps open.

The Boston Red Sox will win the MLB Wild Card and join the Tampa Rays in the playoffs.

The issue of age will make the Yankees think long and hard about re-signing Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera to huge deals.

The wrong Williams sister was wearing a thong under her tennis outfit at the French Open.

One year ago, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal brags he doesn't need federal government help, the next, he wonders where Obama is.

I guess oil spill isn't the only thing that's slick.

Both the New York Jets and Tennessee Titans will rise this Fall in the AFC.

Both the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles will continue their downward spiral in the NFC.

A possible Manny Pac v. Mayweather fight will be must see pay per view t.v..

The first "Shrek" is the only one worth watching.

Isn't it odd that Eddie Murphy will be remembered for his being a talking donkey and not an African prince looking for a queen in Brooklyn?

"Sexual Chocolate" anyone?

This Memorial Day weekend, we salute all vets by asking which do they prefer come grill time:

Gas or charcoal?

Moe goes with charcoal and hickory chips.

And as for his posts, they are all about gas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Boy the Lakers sure do have a horseshoe up their a$$ sometimes...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 28, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

What kind of name is Ndamukong, or Kemoeatu? At least Vonnie is a name you can look at and say correctly the first time you say it, not one of those names that you stare at and guess all day long and still get it wrong. Someone needs to come up with a dictionary of nfl names for these foriegn or samoan players, we need it broken down syllable by syllable.

Posted by: monk811 | May 28, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mistamoe

I am an aspiring "exotic dancer" in NY City who got knocked up by one of the richest playas in the National Football League.

I won't bore you with all of the details, but suffice it to say that our little bundle of joy is due in less than five months, and the resultant paunch I am now carrying has definitely made it much more difficult to swing my newly expanded Money Maker around the stipper pole -- so I've been asking the Baby Maker for some help.

Trouble is, the Dude is now acting like he don't know me, or have anything to do with me, or our pride and joy.

I've heard this Dude don't recognize or live up to his commitments and obligatons.

So recognizing that getting this Dude to pay child support on a regular basis is going to be a continuing challenge -- should I just hammer him for a one-time payment of say, $10 million or so?

Posted by: Vic1 | May 28, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"...should I just hammer him for a one-time payment of say, $10 million or so?"


This is a simple issue.

If I'm Albert, I see the paternity sue for all that it is.

Straight up goldigga action.

No fine chick macks a 6'6" 325 pound man who is a broke jigga.

I ask for a paternity test.

If the baby is mine, I demand custody.

I tell the court that I have a girlfriend that I seek to marry so I can establish a family.

I promise the court that I will establish proper custody, visitation, and paternal rights with the skrippa mother.

I have my lawyer present to the court background about the mother that might cast a bad light on her career as an exotic dancer/escort--a life I don't want my child ever to know he might be the end product of.

She can come to my mansion to see our child.

I will give her the market value sum for her services as a surrogate mother, and use her tax returns to determine who income loss she should be compensated for as a result of her pregnancy.

But if I'm the father, I'm raising my child and keeping my $10 million.

After all, you cannot argue that a child should live in accordance to the lifestyle of the father, then give the money and baby to the mother.

Father's have rights, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Just so we are all on the same page, we are all assuming this "exotic dancer" is really a hooker right?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Moe.

As always, you represent with uncommon humor, heart and clarity.

Posted by: Vic1 | May 28, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Love it. I can just feel (relate to) the frustration in response to constantly reading some asinine statement over and over - the more asinine, the more they post it, and the more people jump on board. It's great.


And finally, on my list of oft-heard moronic statements, Sant... Oh, sorry, I'll use the super cool handle: Tana will not be suspended. There's no proof.

Shuffle and repeat and you have the blog here.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, of course the only thing more asinine than stupid statements on this blog are people who compound the stupidity by inventing stupid statements themselves and then attributing them to others.

That always makes for great discussion, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you can argue that all you want to. You don't have a lot of experience in a "court of law" do you?

Well, let me tell you, it aint "law & Order."

It's more like pay & spreadem.

A man come in talking like this? Please. You'd get smacked down fast.

You aint taking custody of an unborn child, no way. Yeah, father's have rights too... like the right to remain silent, the right to fork over the money, and the right to shut up and spreadem.

Just the reality of it. Ask any court baliff. Any court deputy. I know they were like Nostradamus when I came up in there. They told me exactly how it was gonna go down, and they were right. I tried to argue with them, tell them that my case was different, they were absolutely right.

Fathers have rights, but not many. Even though many states have changed the laws regarding custody rights to place genders on an even keel, it's only in the words. The implementation side of the law, the reality side of it, still finds with the mother in a large majority of cases, but this is actually a state matter, so it depends, but doesn't make much difference.

Nobody's taking a woman's baby away unless she's got a serious rap sheet, which Haynesworth's is worse. I'm pretty sure hes got a history of Domestic Abuse, right? There you go, Done. No judge is giving a baby to a violent man.

Fugedaboudet.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, would you like me to find the quotes and paste them for you?

Like you haven't read those sentiments over and over?

How about the one where Haynesworth gets custody of the unborn child?

You think I'm making this stuff up?

You need to check in more, buddy.

I'm not making up ONE SCINTILLA of that garbage. You can shove your ignorant comment straight up your colon, buddy. Accuse me of lying? You are a retard.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"This Memorial Day weekend, we salute all vets by asking which do they prefer come grill time:

Gas or charcoal?"

MistaMoe, this Vet prefers gas grilling.....

Posted by: dbailey211 | May 28, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

msrent, in addition to JohnD we've got suzannepdc, who used to be in DC but relocated to Houston in the past year or so. Not posting too often up here these days, but maybe that's because she just got married and was busy or something. And there may be someone else down thataway I'm forgetting.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 28, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, there was Greg?, I think, in Spring, Texas - posted a lot a couple of years ago, so there are at least 4 of us, including you, msrent. Welcome, in advance, to Houston.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 28, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I call shenanigans on this stripper suing AH. Until the facts come out anyway. Trying to reserve judgment. But Moe, any good lawyer could convince a judge that AH has anger issues etc and might not present “safe” conditions for a child. But 10 million? Come on…..shenanigans. Maybe this is just a big ratings gamble by Maury Povich. Anyone who works from home needs to watch every Maury show from here on out and let us know as soon as they see Ah and the stripper on for the paternity results that may shock us all.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 28, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

one retarded citation, comin' up!!

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

No wonder you got all bent outta shape, it belongs to you. Nice one. You're not a Republican Congressman are you? I've seen this game before on CSpan.

Here you go, as if you didn't know it was coming:


If there's no failed drug test, and no admission from Tana or the Doc that any HGH actually went into his body, then this is a moot point.

I think there are alot of folks that are confusing what Goodell can do under the PED policy versus what Goodell can do under the Personal Conduct policy.

This is, so far, a strictly PED issue; and Goodell is limited by the stipulations of the NFL PED policy.

If Goodell starts invoking the Personal Conduct policy to unilaterally threaten suspensions or punishments onto players the he suspects have used PEDs, you can bet there will be a fight from the NFLPA and from players like Tana individually.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 1:34 PM |

got the Tana in there for you and all, just like I said.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

That's fing pathetic.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

real easy to find out if the baby is his. Ask the stripper to describe intercourse with Albert.

If she says something along the lines of "It was like ****ing Jaba the Hut, only halfway through he fell over complaining of cramps." Then we know she is telling the truth.

Yes I took it too far.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

got the Tana in there for you and all, just like I said.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 28, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse


Thanks for taking the time to dig up my quote.

Now would you like to point what part exactly was so asinine and why?

Don't just knee-jerk the response...take some time to Think about it...

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

still debating this Tana suspension issue? jiminny christmas! Good money says dude will sit, but i can see scenario where he escapes...either way nothing we can do but wait and log blog hits.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 28, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

And finally, on my list of oft-heard moronic statements, Sant... Oh, sorry, I'll use the super cool handle: Tana will not be suspended. There's no proof.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse


And now that you've taken the time to pull my above statement, would you also like to point out where exactly, I said the words:

"Tana will not be suspended. There's no proof"?

Since you are such an expert quote-puller, it shouldn't take long for you figure out if those "oft-repeated" words are there or not.

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Thinker_

"Fathers have rights, but not many.


You are absolutely right.

I hate to go there, but Albert Haynesworth violated all the 'dirty, dirty rules' in dealing with this chick.

Rule 1:

Oral sex is the only sex.

If you must bang a chick, then you are operating at your own risk.

Rule 2:

A vasectomony beats a condom that might break.

There are other rules, but I think you get my point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Just so we are all on the same page, we are all assuming this "exotic dancer" is really a hooker right?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2010 9:11 AM

I wouldn't say that. Strippers go to big events seeking big $$ guys all the time. SuperBowl, ALL Star, Black Bike Week, That thing down Daytona Beach, etc.....

They're looking to get paid anyway they can....

To say that above, then you'd have to say most woman in general are hookers....irregardless of them being exotic dancers...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"...still debating this Tana suspension issue? jiminny christmas! Good money says dude will sit, but i can see scenario where he escapes...."


If he read a prepared statement before gathered media, and spend a small chunk of the summer counseling kids about the dangers of PEDS/HGH, it might cause Goodell to cut him some major slack.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"...still debating this Tana suspension issue? jiminny christmas! Good money says dude will sit, but i can see scenario where he escapes...."


If he read a prepared statement before gathered media, and spend a small chunk of the summer counseling kids about the dangers of PEDS/HGH, it might cause Goodell to cut him some major slack.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse


Maybe.

As long as someone else prepares the statement, otherwise, I'm sure he's going to lose everyone after the first sentence:

"I ain't gonna say nothin' 'bout nothin' that ain't got nothin' to do wit' me."

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

jiminny christmas!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 28, 2010 9:42 AM

Minced Oaths

The English, being a restrained lot, have a long list of euphemistic phrases, many of which became part of the language before it spread to other parts of the world. The root cause of these is a wish to communicate without being explicit. This is something the English are particularly fond of, hence their long tradition of double-entendre comedy.

Euphemisms aren't all from the distant past though. For every Shakesperian 'beast with two backs' there's a 20th century 'knee trembler'.

Minced oaths are a sub-group of euphemisms used to avoid swearing when expressing surprise or annoyance. If you hit your thumb with a hammer when great aunt Edith is in the room what do you say? It's probably going to be a minced oath. Shakespeare might have resorted to 'gadzooks' (God's hooks - referring to the nails in the cross), we might try 'shoot' or 'freaking heck'.

They are usually, although not exclusively, religious in nature and date from the days when it wasn't acceptable to use the name of God, Jesus or other religious notables in everyday speech. To mince your words, or mince matters, means to choose words so as not to offend anyone. Some example are 'Jiminy Cricket' (Jesus Christ), 'dagnamit' (God damn it'), 'for Pete's sake' (for St. Peter's sake).

It's interesting that, while we continue to generate new euphemisms, new minced oaths are few and far between. Perhaps that's because, while there are still taboos about discussing death, disability, homosexuality etc, the restrictions on swearing out loud when surprised or annoyed have slackened somewhat.

There are many examples:

Jiminy Christmas --> Jesus Christ
Jiminy Cricket --> Jesus Christ
By George --> By God
By golly --> By God's body
By gosh --> By God
Cripes --> Christ
Dad gum --> God damn
Dagnabbit --> God damn it
Dagnammit --> God damn it
Dang --> Damn
Dangnabbit --> God damn it
Dangnation --> Damnation
Darn --> Damn
Darnation --> Damnation
Doggone --> God damn
Drat --> God rot it
Egad --> A God
For crying out loud --> For Christ's sake
For Pete's sake --> For St. Peter's sake
Gadzooks --> God's hooks
Gat Dangit --> God damn it
Gee --> Jesus
Gee whizz --> Jesus
Gee willikers --> Jesus
Golly Gee willikers --> Jesus
Good grief --> Good God
Goodness gracious --> Good God
Jeepers Creepers --> Jesus Christ
Sacré bleu --> Sang de Dieu (God's blood)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"I ain't gonna say nothin' 'bout nothin' that ain't got nothin' to do wit' me."


Nothing like an education from the University of Miami.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

nice 4th! love it. most informative post by official writers the comment army this week!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 28, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

jiminny christmas!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 28, 2010 9:42 AM

Minced Oaths

The English, being a restrained lot, have a long list of euphemistic phrases, many of which became part of the language before it spread to other parts of the world. The root cause of these is a wish to communicate without being explicit. This is something the English are particularly fond of, hence their long tradition of double-entendre comedy.

Euphemisms aren't all from the distant past though. For every Shakesperian 'beast with two backs' there's a 20th century 'knee trembler'.

Minced oaths are a sub-group of euphemisms used to avoid swearing when expressing surprise or annoyance. If you hit your thumb with a hammer when great aunt Edith is in the room what do you say? It's probably going to be a minced oath. Shakespeare might have resorted to 'gadzooks' (God's hooks - referring to the nails in the cross), we might try 'shoot' or 'freaking heck'.

They are usually, although not exclusively, religious in nature and date from the days when it wasn't acceptable to use the name of God, Jesus or other religious notables in everyday speech. To mince your words, or mince matters, means to choose words so as not to offend anyone. Some example are 'Jiminy Cricket' (Jesus Christ), 'dagnamit' (God damn it'), 'for Pete's sake' (for St. Peter's sake).

It's interesting that, while we continue to generate new euphemisms, new minced oaths are few and far between. Perhaps that's because, while there are still taboos about discussing death, disability, homosexuality etc, the restrictions on swearing out loud when surprised or annoyed have slackened somewhat.

There are many examples:

Jiminy Christmas --> Jesus Christ
Jiminy Cricket --> Jesus Christ
By George --> By God
By golly --> By God's body
By gosh --> By God
Cripes --> Christ
Dad gum --> God damn
Dagnabbit --> God damn it
Dagnammit --> God damn it
Dang --> Damn
Dangnabbit --> God damn it
Dangnation --> Damnation
Darn --> Damn
Darnation --> Damnation
Doggone --> God damn
Drat --> God rot it
Egad --> A God
For crying out loud --> For Christ's sake
For Pete's sake --> For St. Peter's sake
Gadzooks --> God's hooks
Gat Dangit --> God damn it
Gee --> Jesus
Gee whizz --> Jesus
Gee willikers --> Jesus
Golly Gee willikers --> Jesus
Good grief --> Good God
Goodness gracious --> Good God
Jeepers Creepers --> Jesus Christ
Sacré bleu --> Sang de Dieu (God's blood)

___________________________________________________

Well, I'll be dipped in sheep sh*t and stripped naked.

Posted by: 44fx290 | May 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is gaining weight on the D-line. Huh,are they gaining weight through work in the weight room, or the dining room? Does adding 15 pounds of fat really make a D-lineman more effective, or just heavier and slower? I can't really take a guy seriously when he calls himself an athlete and he's got 50% bodyfat.

Posted by: AsstGM | May 28, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This team could do a little damage this year. Nobody really whipped their ass last year except for that one game against the Giants. Wouldn't it be sweet if we made the playoffs?

Posted by: coastallp74 | May 28, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

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