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A Bostic-ian View of the Super Bowl

Know what this place needs on a crummy day like today? A little flashback to a burgundy-and-golden era, replete with stories about everyone's favorite beverage. Prompted by the prominent presence on the Arizona Cardinals of a couple of ex-Skins, Steinberg rang up Jeff Bostic, who supplied some classic tales. A tiny, sudsy excerpt:

"We had a little thing called the 5 O'Clock Club. We'd sit there and solve a lot of problems with a 12-ounce can."
Favorite brand?
"We had two favorite brands," Bostic said. "Cold, and Free."


By Cindy Boren  |  January 28, 2009; 1:22 PM ET
 
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Comments

I got beeped, dangit.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

But everyone's still reading the last thread...

Posted by: daggar | January 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Bout time!That last one was gotting a little long.

Posted by: will_ga | January 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

thats the understatement there will

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

My pc was starting to smoke whenever I hit refresh.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I always wondered how many beers those guys could put away in one sitting.....I would be inclined to think that between the OL, Riggins, and Butz, that three cases per day wouldn't even be enough...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

great stuff on the Bog. Gibbs comment, that guys could fool him, but not the other guys, is classic stuff. And the point about getting rid of players that don't fit right away ... another good comment

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Thats a funny poster.
yay fun

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I saw Kiper has us taking 255 lb DE Brian Orakpo from TX first. Do we not need OT or DT worse?

Posted by: will_ga | January 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

will, orakpo has HUGE upside in my opinion, he might be 255, but he's got room to put on weight, and can flat out FLY, as well as put fat guys on their backsides...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

will, orakpo has HUGE upside in my opinion, he might be 255, but he's got room to put on weight, and can flat out FLY, as well as put fat guys on their backsides...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:08 PM
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Orakpo is the guy I was hoping would be available at number 13, and cause Miami to give us the trade down picks we need. But maybe Bill is happy with Wake from the CFL.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"But maybe Bill is happy with Wake from the CFL"


LOL......nicely done.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

will_ga/beantown

I like Orakpo, too.

The thing is, if you draft him, who are you going to cut/let go of:

Demetric Evans
Philip Daniels
Alex Buzbee
J. Taylor
Andre Carter
Rob Jackson
Chris Wilson

Me, I keep Daniels for a lil' bit as he can play some dt. J Taylor's contract must be re-done (if it can be) or he's gone. Andre Carter is nothing special, and Wilson, Buzbee, and Jackson are unknowns. D Evans, of course, is an untouchable player.

I think selecting Orakpo is a good idea provided the alleged 'elite 4 rt' are gone.

If one strong rt is availiable, then the FO must take some kind of steps to rebuild the o-line and take that player, unless, of course, they burn a little FA money on an up-and-comer form anothre team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

People actually ask Timmy Smith to do card shows? I picture him using the cards to make lines in the "snow." The DC night scene ate that dude alive.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins get Orakpo, JTaylor becomes expendable in my opinion.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Moe, couple things:

1. If jt isn't willing to play for 2 million, then he's gone. Bringing him back at anything less than 1/4 of his current salary is just foolish.

2. Who are you saying are the top tackles??
If Jason Smith is still there at 13, as well as Orakpo, I think you have to go with Smith.

3. I definetly bring Daniels back, if nothing else for the fact that he knows a ton about strength training .....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

LOL......nicely done.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:19 PM
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What?

Are you suggesting that Wake isn't the same as a high 1st round pick?

Wake up, man!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

will_ga

Another player I liked--someone who is worth a second round pick-- is a guy named Larry English--olb N. Ill.

The guy looks like he's make the perfect replacement for M. Washington has he can play with his hand on the ground or cover tight ends.

I know the Skins need a d-end, but to be honest, H B Blades is not all-world as a 'mike' linebacker. And from what I saw in the Senior Bowl, English has great size, speed, and athleticism.

Plus: teams abused the Skins' outside linebackers in coverage in the second half of the season. The linebacking group has the same skill issues the d-line has from what I can see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt matter who is there at 13 - we have holes everywhere - which is why we should trade down and try and solve TWO holes for the price of one pick.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

SMACK how goes it sir? I'm still occasionally working in Arlington, and we are long overdue to watch a game of footie....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Splendidly, thanks. Let me know when you plan your next excursion. If the Cardinals can get to the Super Bowl without buying tickets, maybe Arsenal's premier league campaign still has legs. They are John McCain's legs, unfortunately, but a good Arshavin would really help.

Bunch of matches kicking off right now, in case anyone else likes to follow the tickers.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins get Orakpo, JTaylor becomes expendable in my opinion.

Posted by: learnedhand1

...and so have a 2 and 6 round pick in a draft featuring players at the positions of need for the Skins.

...add in the 7 round pick for Erasmus James and that's three picks for 2 guys.

I see now: With deals like this--3 wasted picks for 2 players-Vinny Cerrato is a great personnel guy: for other teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

thund, I'm suggesting that the Redskins trade their first round pick for Wake. That has can't miss written all over it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

doesn't matter who we draft for Jason Taylor to be gone. He's way too expensive and a (rare) case where a cut doesn't create a cap hit

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to see your delusional affection for Arsenal has not been diminished by their now perennial "flatter to deceive storyline" SMACK.

As of yesterday, normal service has been resumed in the EPL...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Smack! Redcoaut! Oh, what joy to see you both here.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

rypien11

Draft down and get more picks...?

Just about every team is going to try and do that because of the high number of quality offensive lineman.

Plus: would you want the Wizards of Redskins Park to do anymore damage than what they have already done?

I'd say trade a player of value--#47, let's say-- to get more picks in the middle round (he's a Pro Bowler, he's worth a 2 and 4). That would be the equivalent of trading down, and you start Fred Davis in his place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

thund, I'm suggesting that the Redskins trade their first round pick for Wake. That has can't miss written all over it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:43 PM
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I'd imagine that Bill would hold out for more than just the 1st round pick.

He's dealt with our F.O. before...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

z, I definitely agree with that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You are as always too gracious TheCindy. At my age it's a pleasure just to be anywhere.

Perhaps we should arrange another pilgrimage to watch something at Summers? We can comment sarcastically on the soccer and play "guess the meal" with the stuff they bring from the kitchen. The loser gets to eat it...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

thund, a 1st, Marcus Mason's practice jersey, and Leigh Torrence's old helmet.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

(a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnarE4VuANJBvV0B7cbKDC05nYcB?slug=ap-patriots-reese&prov=ap&type=lgns")Floyd Reese(/a) was hired by the Patriots as Senior Football Advisor. Would you rather him him or Bruce Allen (Who's track record isn't all that impressive)?

I think it may take years for Snyder to realize that he needs a GM after all.

As far as the draft, I think they DT is a priority over DE, and RT is a priority over every position on the offensive line. If they only have four pick (YIKES!) then it should go this way, IMO: RT (OT), DT, DE, OL (Should be OG)

* Dallas has 8 picks, Philly has 10 picks, and the Giants have 9 picks.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

well that turned out lovely, i'll stick to my day job...

the dolphins have 9 picks

steelers have 8 picks

NE has 8 picks

atlanta has 8 picks

rich get richer

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Redcoaut, I would love a Summers outing! In fact, had a terrific burger the other night in that neighborhood at Ray's. (Btw, sent you an email last week...did you get it?)

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 28, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

dennis green used a top 120 board while in Arizona, which they still use.

they are reaping the benefits from good drafting way back in '04 - and they say the past means nothing - TUH!

say what you want about dennis green, HE is the guy who turned that team around - he just never got a chance to see his draft develop.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, it woulda coulda worked, but you need to replace all the round brackets with angle brackets, (and such as).

Floyd Reese was hired by the Patriots as Senior Football Advisor.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

the dolphins have 9 picks

steelers have 8 picks

NE has 8 picks

atlanta has 8 picks

rich get richer

Posted by: RedDMV

Yeah, but ATL and the Fins are the newly rich, not guys who've been rich for a long time

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

is that the same floyd rees who spent the #3, and #6 overall picks on Vince Young, and Pac Man Jones......just saying....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

red, you sure about Dallas having that many picks?? They sold the farm to pick up Roy Williams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Splendid, then we just need to fix a day/time. I'm there 4 days a week next week and the week after. Do you have any availability Mr SMACK sir?

To my shame Cindy I did get the email but then completely forgot to respond. If you'll forgive the rather bizarre mental image, I used to pass through Pratts Bottom on my way to work when I worked Christmas shifts with my father when I was at school. I am sadly familiar with the humo(u)rous nature of many place names in dear old England, so the attached link both gave me a chuckle and made me nostalgic - two for the price of one!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 3:02 PM

Thanks, teach :)

I done good at 3:05.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"I used to pass through Pratts Bottom"

um.....not that there's anything wrong with that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins select Orakpo with the 13th pick, then he would replace Washington at SLB. He'd be a slight injury risk, however the main question I have is his 4.7 speed fast enough for a zone blitzing SLB? It seems a little slow for a pass rushing DE.

It would also necessitate signing a free agent RT.

Posted by: siris | January 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

red, you sure about Dallas having that many picks?? They sold the farm to pick up Roy Williams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:06 PM

bean, per fftolbox.com - it was updated Jan 5th, not much has changed, I don't think.

DAL 8 2.19, 3.5 (from CLE), 4.1 (from DET), 4.17, 5.21, 5.32 (from TEN), 6.25 (from MIA), 7.19

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Nice linkage, red. But the Skins Super Bowl dream ignores the fact that our O.L. couldn't block the Yale Bulldogs by the end of the season.

P.S. That's an exaggeration, for all you literalists out there. I'm sure the Skins could actually block the Bulldogs (heck, even Harvard did), but not the other teams in the NFL playoffs.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

red, I'm surprised they have that many. Interesting.

siris, I bet if he goes to the combine, or at his pro-day, he runs better than a 4.7. Is that an estimate on his time?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

True, Z's, but they made the playoffs last year.

I guess you can call ATL and MIA "Young Money".

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Coat, Cindy, I'm Florida bound Feb 6-9, but aside from those dates, I'm a man at liberty.

T-E. Man City has just opened up an insurmountable 1-0 lead against Newcastle. Arsenal will be scoring...any minute now.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"I used to pass through Pratts Bottom"

um.....not that there's anything wrong with that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse
Who's Pratt. I didn't see him on the draft charts.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Mistamoe - we can't trade cooley. 1. Hes one of our best players. 2. It would cost us the farm. 3. Davis is NOT a replacement for cooley. 4. Who else besides Cooley (maybe JC) is a player who is going to be here for the long haul, to build a core nucleus around. The guy is only 25-26 and a pro bowler, and can be here for the next 10 years. The picks would be nice, but hes one guy I want to be a Redskin forever.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I enjoy lazy fantastizing about what coulda-woulda-shoulda been as well as the next Skins fan. But yeah, things didn't turn out so well for us.

I don't know what to make of this spate of reminiscintizing about the Skins' Super Bowls... on the one hand, it's always fun to hear from the Hogs, whatever the excuse... but it just makes me feel worse about the fact that not only are the Skins not playing in the Big Game this Sunday, the freakin' Arizona Cardinals are. The Cardinals! Ugh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

red, I'm surprised they have that many. Interesting.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It's shrewd front-officery, is what it is.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it looks like they just swapped a bunch of picks with Detroit.

Detroit didn't gain much for giving up Roy Williams in terms of draft picks, they only got one extra (9).

They do however have 5 picks before the 4th round. Detroit should have a freakin' squad in the next few years...

Madness.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

make that two extra...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Right now (ignoring the team's histories), would you rather be a Skins fan or Lions fan?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

After Tuesday, my schedule opens up. Just let me know when you're meeting up.
I'm happy, Redcoa(u)t that you didn't say you'd spent a lot of time in Pratt's Bottom....
Stop snickering. It's a place. I mean, a village kind of thing. Really. Here's the story that prompted this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world/europe/23crapstone.html?scp=1&sq=butt%20hole%20road&st=cse

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Maske says that Riggins just ripped Portis at a Sirius event, saying he is a problem created by management. He'll be posting it soon on The League.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 28, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

BG, Vince Young was ROY if you recall.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Right now (ignoring the team's histories), would you rather be a Skins fan or Lions fan?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2009 3:23 PM
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I'll ask a different question: Right now, would you rather be in D.C., or Detroit?

(Hint: spring isn't coming to Detroit for a long time. On another note, economic spring is even further off for Detroit. It's hard even to imagine it.)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we could try for 2/4 or 2/5? I don't know if there is any soccer on then but it would be good to catch up.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

According to some know-it-all sports writers; this is who should be picked with the 13th pick, I tell ya, all of them are positions of need, maybe not LB so much - at least not in the draft - with only 4 picks.
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1.13 Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
Raul Colon Jan-25

1.13 George Selvie, DE, South Florida Ricky Dimon Jan-23

1.13 Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
Forrest N. Long Jan-20

1.13 Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
Ben Standig Jan-20

1.13 Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
Joel Welser Jan-13

1.13 Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
Randall Weida Jan-12

* The last name you see is the name of the opiniator.


What'cha think?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Right now (ignoring the team's histories), would you rather be a Skins fan or Lions fan?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2009 3:23 PM

Are you trying to get someone shot up here?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Floyd Reese is a good personal guy. The Titans reloaded constantly under him and we at least a tough out in a few of there rebuilding years. Vince Young suffers from mental illness/dperession I think it is quite clear. Pac Man, while he actually won games on the field for them, is obviously a bad dude. They all make mistakes.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Detroit had that DC does not have is when they built a new stadium they built one of the nicest ones in the league. (for a dome).

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

T-E. Man City has just opened up an insurmountable 1-0 lead against Newcastle. Arsenal will be scoring...any minute now.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2009 3:16 PM

1-0? Don't you mean "one-nil"? I turned it off when that goal went in. The outcome is as inevitable as a Durant Brooks punt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Maske says that Riggins just ripped Portis at a Sirius event, saying he is a problem created by management. He'll be posting it soon on The League.

Posted by: CindyBoren


Cindy B. its a well known fact that Riggo does not like CP. He used to rip him at almost every opportunity on his old radio show.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 28, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

They all make mistakes.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2009 3:34 PM |

They all make mistakes? Are you turning into a "Vinny apologist"? Cork's gonna be looking you up on his next drive-by. Get with the party line: Only Vinny makes mistakes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 28, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I may be shot, but I'm sorry "fan-of-yesterday".

F Riggins

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Jason Smith or Michael Oher would be great picks for us. But if they're not there, I would love to see us trade down for a lower 1st and ideally, a 2nd round pick.

P.S. I love Riggo picking on Clinton Portis for not being an ideal corporate citizen, Cindy. Come on, Sandy baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

red, of that group, I'd prefer Jason Smith and Oher, the others...I'm not really convinced they should be picked as high as 13th.

Jackson, from LSU, he's got really the only size this year at the DE position. Somewhere in the 20's is where I'd see him going

lh, VY got the ROY, but downhill since then...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Riggins cracks me up. from what I understand, Riggins used to get away with stuff others on the team couldn't. It's so easy to throw a stone.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I like the new style stadiums they're building.

Like the ones in Indy, Houston, and Detroit. They look like arenas on the outside more than domes or stadiums.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Well I must be off to a client meeting, but it's been great catching up for a while.

SMACK, whatever you do, don't hold your breath while you wait for Arsenal to score again...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Mistamoe - we can't trade cooley...he's one guy I want to be a Redskin forever.

Posted by: Rypien11

rypien11

I understand you feelings. But Moe is the charter member of the 'love the team, not the player' club.

The Redskins have serious talent related issues on their defensive and offensive lines, and I don't understand losing with a guy I love when moving him can bring me players in positions of need so I can win.

If the team can pick up a couple of draft picks for moving a player from the aging roster of an 8-8 team, I'm all for it.

I like #47, too. But maybe trading him will get the team two other guys in this draft that I might like even betta.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Vince Youung getting ROY seems tainted, as if he was more the de facto ROY.

It did then, and it really does now. He's a good guy, but he can't handle being an NFL QB, neither mentally or physically ("the right stuff").

He's a good guy, but that only takes you so far with the fans. Ask Mark Brunell.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

riggins used to piss on himself, while passed out, in the back of meetings, while Gibbs looked the other way. He needs to give it a rest.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

And Beantown spent $455 to purchase those "game worn" shorts. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Moe - but what about the enormous cap hit? And the fact that TE would then become a position of need, since Yoder will retire and Davis has shown nothing. What are the odds that, even if we got 2 picks for #47 - ONE of them would be a pro bowler?

We'd then be complaining that we don't have a viable TE.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I love Portis and Riggins, Riggins should give it a rest, but whateves....dude is paid to run his mouth.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Rypien,

Shh stop making logical sense.
Keep in mind even though Cooley is a great TE, a great TE is not going to get you much in terms of compensation.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Really Alex? Because the the Giants got a 2nd and 5th for Shockey.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins have to replace all of these starting positions in the next 3 years:

DT (Griffin)
MLB (Fletcher)
OLB (Washington)
CB (Springs)
LG (Kendall)
C (Rabach)
RT (Thomas)
RG (Jansen)
RB (Portis)

Plus, they are vulnerable at several other positions:
LT (Samuels age)
OLB (Rocky's knees)
DE (Daniels, Carter, Taylor)
CB (can they sign Rogers and Hall?)
WR (Moss's hammy)
P
K

The Skins need to start by figuring out what problems are solved by current players and not mess with it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I would not toss the no 1 pass catcher we have for a 2nd and a 5th.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

lh, I think the difference with Shockey, was that he was in the later stages of his contract, thus the cap hit was minimized. Where as Cooley is in year 1-2 of his new deal the cap hit would be HUGE, and prohibative...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I think someone posted the numbers months ago. And a trade of cooley would add 2 mill to the cap hit.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Floyd Reese was probably told to draft Vince Young or look for a new job. It's no secret the Tenne owner was a huge Texas and Vince Young fan. Plus they were a consistently good team for the most part. Reese deserves more praise for that than the Pacman mistake.

Just read about Larry Fitzgerald saying he would rework his deal to keep Boldin in Zona in order to have a better shot at getting to this point year in and out. Think Springs or other prima donnas on our team would do that? Me neither.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

If I'm AZ, I trade a #2 and #5 to the Skins for Cooley. Easy call. AZ would get another major weapon to go with Boldin and Fitzgerald.

As for cap impact, Cooley is earning his paycheck.

I'm sure several teams would trade for Cooley.

The question is: why would we trade a Pro Bowl player for a couple of unknowns?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

BG, that was not the point of Alex's post. I know that Cooley can't be traded because he's paid too much. IMO he's overvalued by the organization and the fans. He is not indispensable. Love the uni not the players.

Alex, you're crazy, especially given the team's situation with picks. The Giants seem to be doing okay without Shockey who was among their top pass catchers. What does being the number one pass catcher on this team mean? For all the balls he caught last season, only one of them netted 6 points.

I just don't understand all the man love for Cooley.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

springs refused to rework his deal, last year I believe.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Ya right because the Giants TE situation is great now... not.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Cooley rulz, if they traded him I would be sad. That said LH is prolly more right than I am about the loving the UNi and all the rest.

Cap hit makes it a non starter anywhoo

And LH you know the real answer Cooley is so well loved right. Hint same reason that if you go to a Jets game you STILL see a sea of Wayne Chrebet jersies...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Just as a random drive by, but from a front row seat - pretty much everyone in this city hoped that Houston would draft Vince Young with the first pick - when Houston passed on whats-his-nose who is now in New Orleans, Tennessee was shocked that Vince Young fell to them...that's how I remember it...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 28, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

CP, Cooley, and others have reworked their deals. This might help your team for a season or two but it doesn't help in the long term because of the cap ramifications. That's the Skins' problem as it is.

Springs was asked to take a pay cut. That's not the kind of restructuring Fitzgerald is suggesting. His restructuring would get him more guaranteed money up front and spread it out over a longer period. He's not being that magnanimous really.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

lh, you might be onto something there...If it got the team another offensive linemen, and a defensive linemen, it might be worth it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I like #47, too. But maybe trading him will get the team two other guys in this draft that I might like even betta.

Posted by: MistaMoe

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It also maybe that the team gets 2 other guys that end up like the recent draft...

If Cooley were part of the "aging" group of players, I'd be down. But he's not. If this team has any aspirations in the next 3-4 years, Cooley will be a big part of it.

Trading away any young or entering-their-prime guys is not beneficial for the team, unless you land an obscene amount of draft picks. Shockey was traded for a 2nd rounder. How much do you think any other team in the league would give up for Cooley?

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

CL, believe me I totally know the reason.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Alex, do you watch football? The Skins could have really used Kevin Boss's 6 TDs. And I bet a lot of teams would love to have him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"I just don't understand all the man love for Cooley.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

The off-the-field personality aside, Cooley is the only consistently productive, consistently healthy, semi-young, soon-to-become perennial pro-bowler this team has (Landry has a shot at matching him). What's not to love?

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The question is: why would we trade a Pro Bowl player for a couple of unknowns?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Exactly. I'd add "26 year-old" prior to "Pro Bowl" to further the point.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Alex Boss is more than serviceable for the G-Men

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Boss was dragging Rodney down the field in the super bowl, while Shock was getting his drank on in the owners box...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Just read about Larry Fitzgerald saying he would rework his deal to keep Boldin in Zona in order to have a better shot at getting to this point year in and out. Think Springs or other prima donnas on our team would do that? Me neither.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton"

A lot of things are expressed in the midst of an emotional run to the Super Bowl. I wonder why Fitzgerald wasn't this generous when he reworked his deal last offseason, and knew Boldin was upset back then?

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The Giants were smart to move Shockey because he declined (significantly). Kevin Boss is not better than Shockey used to be, just happens to be better than Shockey is now.

A Cooley/Shockey comparison is not valid until Cooley shows he's either declining or a detriment to the locker room.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

This may come as a surprise but pro bowlers get traded -- all the time. Reason: They have value. i.e., multiple picks.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"Really Alex? Because the the Giants got a 2nd and 5th for Shockey.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Do you think that's worth it?

A 2nd and a 4th round pick got us Fred Davis and Justin Tryon. If I had a choice, I'd take Cooley 100 times out of 100, both for now as well as the long-term future.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"This may come as a surprise but pro bowlers get traded -- all the time. Reason: They have value. i.e., multiple picks.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

I said if you get an obscene amount of picks, like Detroit got for Roy Williams, go ahead. But Cooley won't generate that.

And how many 26 year-old or younger pro bowlers that have no history of locker room problems have you seen traded? Just curious.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

psp, of course you would, using those parameters, but what if the 2nd got the team a starting caliber G, and the 4th got an OLB/DE type....

I think you have to turn over every stone to see what the market would bear.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins will trade down from #13 to #20 something + a low 2nd. However, they would have to consider keeping the pick if either Curry or Oher were available. Otherwise, it probably makes more sense to pick up a SLB and (OG or G/C).

Posted by: siris | January 28, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"I think you have to turn over every stone to see what the market would bear.

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Of course, there's no reason not to explore it (as long as you don't let it out in the open to upset the player).

But it would take a lot more than a 2nd and a 5th to make me want to trade a player the caliber of Cooley. The point is the draft will always be hit or miss. You know you have a high impact player for the future in Cooley, you have no idea what you're getting out of a draft pick. If you're talking about a guy that has no future value, I'm all aboard. But Cooley does not fit that description.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Mix just signed a two year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That is all.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

psp, you really need to read all of the posts so that you can understand the context if you are going to direct comments at me. I am not arguing about trading Cooley. He can't be traded because of the cap ramifications. OK?

This started out with me responding to Alex's comment that TEs have no trade value. I was making the point that they do. That's it. My point about Cooley is that no player should be exempted from being moved if the right deal comes along regardless of his age or performance.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

First Torrence, and now Mix - we are losing all of all of our core guys...sigh

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

the 5 O'Clock club is Played out!

Posted by: MonkMossMann | January 28, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Bears live under rocks, who knew?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

BLOW IT UP!!! CUT WASHINGTON, SPRINGS, KENDALL, JANSEN, DANIELS, THRASH, AND THE KICKER. TRY TO TRADE PORTIS (YEAH RIGHT) OR BUY HIM OUT OF HIS CONTRACT LIKE THEY DID WITH LAVAR HARRINGTON SO HE CAN BE A FREE AGENT.

KEEP TAYLOR AND CARTER AND GRIFFIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE OUR DEFENSE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FIND ANY TOP DL AS FREE AGENTS. IF YOU CAN THOUGH, THAN CUT ANY OR ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS.

THERE HAS TO BE A TOP OF THE LINE PASS RUSHING LB (LIKE A KEN HARVEY) OUT THERE. USE ALL DRAFT PICKS ON OL OR DL. DO NOT TRADE ANY PICKS NO MATTER WHAT. WE WILL PROBABLY BE 8-8 WITH THIS PLAN AGAIN BUT AT LEAST IN 09 WE COULD BE ON THE WAY UP AND A NEW DIRECTION LIKE OUR COUNTRY WILL BE!!! CAN WE GET RID OF SNYDER THE WAY WE GOT RID OF "W" AND SEND HIS ASS ON A PLANE TO HELL (THE DEEP SOUTH).

Posted by: BarackObama | January 28, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand all the man love for Cooley.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

The off-the-field personality aside, Cooley is the only consistently productive, consistently healthy, semi-young, soon-to-become perennial pro-bowler this team has (Landry has a shot at matching him). What's not to love?

Posted by: psps23 *********

Let's see.... all the whiffs on blocking, the inability to run away from all LB's, and the drops last year.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 28, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Mix just signed a two year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That is all.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2009 5:08 PM =============================================
Anthony Mix once taught a class called "SJK Kicking 101". There were no survivors.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

the 2009 team is a setup. At some level, Danny may not even want it to succeed. Because Danny sees the offseason a year from now, when the current labor agreements end, as the opportunity to change the franchise into a winner.

6-10 in 2009 makes it easy to sweep out Zorn ... and probably Vinny. 10-6 makes it much harder to get rid of them.

Come 2010, Danny will go after Cowher or Shanahan or Gruden, plus load up on free agents.

Vinny and Zorn are fighting for their jobs this offseason ... and its not going to be easy for them to keep them beyond the upcoming year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

IMO, we need to find a way to get a second 1st round pick next year, say maybe Randle El and Cooley packaged. Then we trade that 1st for a 1st the next year, plus a 3rd and 5th and we get an extra two picks for free until we decide to use original 1st

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 28, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

dafunbunch

I agree with the need to acquire a second round pick this year.

Given the deep pool of NFL quality linemen coming out of the SEC and Big 12, the Skins would do well to kinda load up and get two/three potential starters out of this draft.

Folks say, "Trade down..." but every team is now hip to the old Jimmy Johnson bait-and-switch 'trade down for value' move, and will be less inclined to give up mid-round picks for the singular slot we have at 13 in the 1st round.

Again, this leaves one option:

Trade a high pick in the '10 draft for an additional two picks--let's say a 1 in 2010 for a 2nd and a 3rd/4th. (this would net 6 picks this year, that's 4 picks in the rounds where potential o-line starters are)

Folks will scream up abot giving up a first round pick until the FO office,..., hey, wait a minute. I just remembered who's running our FO.

Nah, we shouldn't do anything but take the four o-linemen, and go to sleep.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse


I think someone posted the numbers months ago. And a trade of cooley would add 2 mill to the cap hit.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

According to what was reported earlier, Cooley would be an $11.1 mill hit against cap, and he has a $3 mill salary.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 28, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

and it seems to me that the way we draft is backwards, and im not just saying that because it hasnt worked (which it hasnt). The way we need to be drafting is as so- We need to take defensive players (sans dline) with the 1st pick every year, it seems like LBs and DBs are much harder to find later in the draft outside of the occasional Chris Horton. Then second Round is the O-line/WR (early 2nd late 1st) Round. O-linenen who are drafted in the second round are often studs with one deficiency and can be coached up to be great, while recievers such as Brandon Marshall can be found with Raw Athleticism and ca nbe honed into playmakers. Then 3rd round is where we draft D-line, maybe O-line depending on what we did before. D-linemen seem to come out of this round ( list follows)
-Leonard Little, Joey Porter, Chike Okeafor
Aaron Smith (Pitt), Reggie Hayward, Derrick Burgess (Oakland), Alex Brown (Chi), Cory Redding, Robert Mathis, Darnell Dockett, Justin Tuck, Elvis Dumervil, Darryl Tapp (stuffed us on 4th down in Seattle), Jay Alford (NYG), Dusty Dvoracek (CHI), Shaun Rogers (350 Pnds)

Its much easier to get D-line Talent in the 3rd-4th rounds while gambling on athletes later on. 2nd round is where a lot of good tackles come out and stud guards/centers and 1st rounders are what D';s like Baltimore and Pittsburgh are made out of

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 28, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

+++red, you sure about Dallas having that many picks?? They sold the farm to pick up Roy Williams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg +++


You say I think I'm ALWAYS right.

Well I was right about the Taylor trade, but I'm here to tell you I was DEAD WRONG thinking the Roy Wlliams to the 'pokes trade was a smart move by them.

Your turn.

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Just noticed the Lions cut Furrey. I think that would be one free agent the Skins ought to consider seriously. There's a potential replacement for Thrash. He can still catch passes pretty well.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

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