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A Case of the Mondays

Jason continues to enjoy his comp time....Obviously, we'll be watching OTAs and for other news. At the moment, it's very quiet. Still, we need a new thread and I want to mention something positive, something everyone can agree on. That's the work the bloggers put in in New Orleans last season, helping with a Habitat for Humanity house. In the previous thread, Mark (in 21132) wrote: I saw a story this morning on Habitat for Humanity in New Orleans. They have built 1,000 homes and are starting on the second 1,000. Congrats to our fellow bloggers who contributed to the effort and will do so again.
To which I say: You guys are terrific.
Now....on to "The Sopranos" and the Redskins and the Michael Vick story and anything else you want to discuss.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 21, 2007; 12:01 PM ET
 
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Comments

1st and foremost Jesus Christ Is Lord

Posted by: wvskin | May 21, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

... given some of these comments, we're going to have to start a screening process.


Posted by: Cindy | May 20, 2007 08:19 PM


Excellent idea, Cyn City!

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

We can easily screen the comments, see where they're coming from, who's making them. We really don't want to do that, though. But, if we must ...

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice that the Wiki is about to delete "shabingus"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabingus

Posted by: Nooo! | May 21, 2007 12:17 PM

Posted by: from the previous thread | May 21, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

There has to be an Earl Shabingus (or ... could one of you rename your child? It's for a good cause?) who could be entered, with the definition as a secondary item. I can understand that they don't want to become a dictionary.

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

4-12, shoot me a quick email. I've misplaced your address. Want to ask a question.

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

You do what you must Cyn City...we'll all support you.

I 2nd the kudos for the Nawleans crew. I did Habitat in Taos, New Mexico. Nothing but goodness.

Sage Steele is on ESPN right now. I know this because I have no job. She is awkward.

re Sopranos, Paulie Walnuts is done. The 'curbing' last night was tought to watch; not in a 'The View' kind of way but more of a 'live surgery on your friend' kind of way. I have said since I started watching the show many moons ago, this show would end with Carmella killing Tony. I still see it.

AMTTS out.

Good to be home.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | May 21, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk! Welcome back and kudos to your HforH work, too.
Interesting theory on the Sopranos....I do agree about Paulie. He's toast. How great was Sil's reading material "How to Clean Practically Everything"?
They're all definitely at the precipice of an enormous crossroads....
I think it ends with Tony trying to save his family by getting into witness protection with the feds before Phil "Leotard" Leotardo whacks him.
Gandolfini (dubbed "the Brando of prime cable" by Slate writer Jeffrey Goldberg) was phenomenal in the scene of AJ's suicide attempt, which may have been the dumbest ever.
And...reread Yeats' "The Second Coming":

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

9th!
It was the only comment possible after the verse.

Posted by: Stumped | May 21, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have a report from the Beach Blitz this year?

Posted by: 35332 | May 21, 2007 09:48 AM

*****************************************

35332,

I went. What is it you want to know about?

Posted by: JustMe | May 21, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Cindy- email is sent...

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Dan Snyder as "The Earl of Shabingus".

Posted by: Kathy H. | May 21, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Cyn Cyty --
No.... No! No, man, if somebody did say that I do believe they'd get their a$$ kicked!

How would screening work with our friends on the Pacific Rim? No interactivity with Paps or Kost? You will indeed be a cruel mistress! (Or a tired one)

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 21, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh...the Earl of Shabingus.

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow, never thought I'd see the entire text of The Second Coming posted on this blog. I saw the show last night and was amazed at how well it was worked into the plot.

I wrote my senior thesis in college on The Winding Staircase. Yeats was a mad, mad genius.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 21, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I know that this was brought up yesterday, but it looks like our boy Portis made front page of the NFL section at MSNBC for his comments on Vick and dog-fighting...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18783681/

Discuss.

If you'd like.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Since this is poetry day, here's one of my favorites.
Jenny kiss'd me when we met,
Jumping from the chair she sat in;
Time, you thief, who love to get
Sweets into your list, put that in!
Say I'm weary, say I'm sad,
Say that health and wealth have miss'd me,
Say I'm growing old, but add,
Jenny kiss'd me.
Leigh Hunt, contemporary to Sheley, Yeats, etc

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 21, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeats was brilliant. Is anyone a fan of his protege J.M. Synge?

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Mostly, I did that because we usually have only the collected works of Haiku/Limerick Man.
How about this Chris Henry news? He reportedly has failed a court-mandated drug test (opiates) and faces up to 88 days in jail. You hafta think that gets his another eight games off....

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Opiates? He's partying like it's 1899.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Dog and cock fighting are cultural and class issues and are generally associated with poor rural societies. Many of our animal welfare laws relate to our having become an urban society. There's a strong push emanating from California to classify horses as companion animals (like dogs) rather than stock animals (like cows). This has many "working-horse" people up in arms as it restricts how horses, aged or injured, may be disposed of. Instead of taking a horse to the sale barn to be slaughtered for meat (popular in nearly all societies except USA), horses in CA can only be "euthanized."
All of that said, Mr Portis by excusing Mr Vick with a "behind closed doors" argument implies that anything that goes on behind closed doors is okay. Can we assume that Portis meant only those things whch do no harm to other humans?

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 21, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

That curbing immediately brought to mind Ed Norton's curbing - using an actual curb - of a guy in American History X. Ouuuuch!

Tony's too old school to go into witness protection - no matter the costs. It has to end in a blood bath. That's why we watch, right? That plus the English lit refresher.


Posted by: LH | May 21, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

opiates = painkillers

Posted by: Kathy H. | May 21, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Yep, painkillers. Still, you wonder if his letter from Goodell got lost in the mail...
Hey, I just found a tooth in the cuff of my pants! Wonder how that got there.
I fear you're right, LH; but I hope for a relatively happy ending as opposed to the bloody operatic finale.

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Opiates, as in derivatives of opium (such as heroin, morphine, etc).

Which come in handy if you have a bitey dog encounter.

Posted by: Stumped | May 21, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Or an encounter with a Skins safety.

Posted by: Stumped | May 21, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure it has to end in a blood bath. The violence is usually pretty random and unexpected. I also think Chase sees Tony as ultimately a coward.

They did allude to the workings of a sociopath and talk therapy. That has me thinking that Tony might go postal and off most of his crew.

They also tipped that the new york crew is going to put the hit out on Tony. Phil is a little man with a big axe to grind.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 21, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

That curbing scene was dang near impossible to watch...

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Opium derivatives, I know.

Just had this merry thought of an NFL player being squired around in a Victorian carriage, from his lavish country estate to an opium den (is there a Chinatown in Cincinnati?). Perfect way to unwind after an evening at the dogfights.

Okay, now I'm just lumping all the NFL transgressions together.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: che | May 21, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
Your 1899 reference is turning in to a Merchant and Ivory meets A Man Named Lombardi hallucination.

Posted by: Stumped | May 21, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Bad news, Cindy. A well-connected Italian "friend" tells me that a tooth in the cuff of your pants means that you are being sent a message - either talk or we pull out all of your teeth. Another friend opined that you may just be spending too much time around "ankle biters".

So be on the lookout for small children and sopranos when you go to lunch, okay?

Posted by: Kathy H. | May 21, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Was it a dog tooth? Maybe it was a message from the dogfight people.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

That curbing scene was dang near impossible to watch...

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 01:51 PM

It wasn't nearly as unwatchable as those Lincoln log sandwiches and Tony actually inhaling one before he jumped in to save AJ. I have never seen that before. What are those things made of besides hot dogs? Anyone know the origin? I'm getting sick just typing about it.

Posted by: LH | May 21, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I think that Portis meant behind closed doors, anything goes... for animals. I'm sure humans are meant no harm by his claims.

I do think it's irresponsible to say "OK" to dog-fighting though, lots of people look up to him and his many, many alter-egos.


History fact of the day: the term "OK" comes from the nickname of Martin Van Buren, the eigth President of the United States, which was "Old Kinderhook." It was later turned into a chastizing mispelling of all correct as "oll korrect." So you have Van Buren to thank for the word "OK"... and not much else.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"Saban's two-year stay as an NFL head coaching isn't receiving as much ridicule as Steve Spurrier's ill-fated tenure with the Washington Redskins did, but perhaps it should. Spurrier, without an NFL background, went 12-20 in his two seasons in D.C. Saban had solid NFL assistant-coaching credentials on his resume when he arrived in South Florida. Yet he went only 15-17 with the Dolphins. He got worse as he went along, going 6-10 last season after going 9-7 as a rookie pro head coach. And he made an expensive mistake at the sport's most important position, selecting Daunte Culpepper over Drew Brees to be the Dolphins' quarterback last season when both were available."

Also - Henry reports are misleading. Nithing positive. Addtional drug test still pending.

Posted by: 4th Floor via Maske | May 21, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is NOT A ROLE MODEL.

He is the same age as me and lives his life as a young wild bachelor.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I love CP, but sometimes I just wish he would keep quiet...

I know this is easier said than done, but he should have said "no comment" and moved on to the next question. There is no reason to get caught up in this Vick saga, but now he has...

I'd love to see a blood bath/shocking ending to The Sopranos, but the most shocking ending would probably have to involve a death in the immediate family (Tony, Carm, AJ, hot stuff). I just don't see the writer being able to go in that direction.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Series of Portis/dogfighting questions in Wilbon's Chat House today...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

A Sopranos blogger sez that Lincoln logs are hot dogs and cream cheese on a bun (or some variation thereof). I'm with you LH; that may have been the most revolting sight ever on the show. Worse than Tracee the stripper got whacked.

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

CP a role model? HA! CP is a great football player and a tough, smash mouth workhorse when healthy. We all value his work ethic...when healthy. Last year he was down on his team, he questioned his coaches, and he didn't help keep spirits up as much as he could have. But you know what? I won't complain. He's 25 years old. He's practically a kid. He's only been in the league for 4 years and already he's considered the face of his history rich, storied franchise. He'll take a ribbing for his Mike Vick comments and he'll learn from it.

Posted by: deepie | May 21, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

4th, I beg to differ. He may not accept that role but as a professional sports figure he is "role model" to other boys, particularly A-A young men who want to follow in his path.
By any measure, dog fighting is an abominable activity. Dog fights are not attended by upstanding citizens. They are frequented by drug dealers and others who aren't actually contributing any good to society. In fact, this whole thing with Vick came to light during the course of a narcotics investigation.
When CP says it is no big deal, he's telling young people, particularly those who may not have the guidance and discipline necessary to avoid the traps poverty places in one's path, that this is an environment that is OK for them. Wrong message.

Posted by: LH | May 21, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

We got comments about people 'whacking' people. That is far worse than dog fighting. The Sopranos portray's real life and you guys are eating it up? I see no diffreence except for people being killed by other people.......

America and it's hippocrittes are a joke.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

i *heart* meadow soprano

Posted by: pack4life | May 21, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

LH - MAybe CP was once that child in the backroads of Mississppi. He seems to indicate that he knows of dog fighting back in his yesteryear and sees no problem. These kids you refer to see no problem also. Just as they see no problem in watching the Sapronos and The Wire.

Speaking of the Wire vs. Sopranos..... Why is the Sapronos put on this high petastool wheater it be the Kornheisher Radio Show, This Blog, or my co workers?? But, when people talk about the wire, they call it stereotypical and negative towards the black community? I see no difference. Rappers took the role of the American Gangster waaaay before hood movies were made.....

Posted by: 4th | May 21, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like CP is just trying to give Vick a break- something like "if this is the worst you guys can dig up- get a life." I don't know, it's the offseason for the football media too.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Also, for the record, I do not co-done (sp?) of dog fighting. Dog fighting was and still is prevalent in PG County and DC. When I was a youth I sometimes 'hung' around these people by virtue of where I lived and they would always talk about training the dog and what happened at the last fights, etc, etc. I would always cringe and never went to one because I grew up in a household of non fighting dogs and I would always think of them when these people would speak.

Posted by: 4th | May 21, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW- Nate- your 1899 made me LMGO.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

ArtMonktotheSticks just says Carmela is going to off Tony because he copies everything Bill Simmons says and Simmons said the same thing a few weeks ago. Oh whammy. Ongoing feud between myself and AMTTS. Sorry to have to bring you all into it. My hunch is they don't kill Tony. It is just too obvious that the boss gets whacked at the end of the show. I guess you could do the whole "If one family doesn't kill him, the other one will" thing but I just have trouble killing off a character like that.

IF, and that is a big IF they decide Tony dies in the series, then I think he commits suicide. Something like he starts boffing Christopher's widow, gets caught by Meadow or Carmela, and decides to take the "coward's way out."

The lingering question I have is this whole cooperating with the FBI/terrorist thing he has going on. That DEFINITELY plays a role in his final outcome.

Do you want the Governor to hit you with knowledge? You want some knowledge dropped? It hit me while I was bobbing my head to "Hits from the Bong" by Cypress Hill at TS Mutleys.

In his final act of crazy violence, Tony kills Carmela. BOOYAKASHOT! What? That's right. He offs his wife. He's forced to make the same choice that Chris had to make with Aid, and he does the same exact thing, and takes out Carmela because she becomes some sort of liability.

It will be one of the most depressing episodes in movie history that will leave America comatose for a week. But I say that's how it goes.

I love you all.

Posted by: The Governor | May 21, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's the difference 4th. Sopranos is a fictional series on television. Dog fighting is an inhumane, illegal activity happening in Michael Vick's backyard. One is pretend, the other is real. See the difference?
And as for Portis: He's an idiot who just happens to play well for a football team we like.

Posted by: mac in richmond | May 21, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

He's no longer in the backwoods of Mississippi. He's a multi-millionaire who has hopefully used a pinch of that cash to expose himself to something besides the street life. If he still thinks that dogfighting is an OK past-time he should have kept his views to himself.

The Sopranos and the The Wire contain violence and themes about crime but they don't glorify violence or street life. They are more complex than that. They show the realities of street life and the bad guys aren't portrayed as heroic either. Where is Wee-Bay? Where is Avon? Where is Stringer? Where is DeAngelo? Where is Christopher? Big Pussy? Johnny Sack? Adriana? Little Jackie Aprile?

And it's not hypoctrical to both enjoy entertainment that contains make believe violence and to criticize people who engage in actual illicit activities or say it's no big deal because it's common in their community.

Posted by: LH | May 21, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"I can't believe she slept with Lumberg!"

Posted by: Mike C | May 21, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

4th- come on now. They're talking about a tv show here. The Sopranos portrays real life? maybe mafia real life, but I doubt any of us now for sure.
Now, if we want to delve into violent tv/movies as a whole, and the impact of their violence on our society, I'd bet there's something to it. or violent video games. or any number of plausible culprits.
Unfortunately, I've seen video of dog fights. It's disgusting, gross, puke inducing reality. TV characters that get "whacked" stand back up and go on about their business after the director says cut.

Jumping down from the soapbox now... Much more importantly 4th, big congrats on the upcoming addition to the family. Awesome news. And how's the job search? The accountants at my company stink...if only they'd leave so you could get hired!

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Dog fighting is illegal but boxing (also known as "prize fighting") is legal and sanctioned by many states. Many dogs and prize fighters get hurt; some die. Where is the difference?

Cock fighting is illegal but horse racing is legal and sanctioned by many states. Many animals are hurt; some die or are so badly hurt that they are euthanized. Where is the difference?

Traditionally, dog fighting and cock fighting have been entertainment for the poor and uneducated, while boxing and horse racing have been entertainment for the better-educated (so-called) and rich. Is economic entitlement the sole determining factor in which types of violence are acceptable and legal, and which are not?

The hypocrisy is staggering indeed.

Posted by: Kathy H. | May 21, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Not exactly hyprocracy. In the racing, safety is taken into account and the intent is not to injure or kill any other animal. It may sometimes happen, but that isn't the intent.

Posted by: Rich from Salisbury | May 21, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

this couldn't have less to do with Christmas . . . and I think that's a stage hand!

Posted by: Lisa S | May 21, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Kathy- People have a CHOICE whether or not to step into the ring...the dogs used in dog-fights don't get to make that important decision.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Dog fighting is illegal but boxing (also known as "prize fighting") is legal and sanctioned by many states. Many dogs and prize fighters get hurt; some die. Where is the difference?"

Consent, for starters. Presumption here is that chickens and dogs lack the mental capacity to consent to the fights they are subjected to, which is one reason why beastiality is considered immoral (also a cultural taboo as it increases the spread of harmful diseases from animals to man) -- despite the fact that people morally engage in sex with one another all the time.

"Cock fighting is illegal but horse racing is legal and sanctioned by many states. Many animals are hurt; some die or are so badly hurt that they are euthanized. Where is the difference?"

Intent, for starters. Harm is necessary in the former -- it answers the "why" question, as people watch cock fighting to watch two animals harm themselves. It is incidental in the latter, as injuries are not encouraged in horse racing. In fact, extreme measures are taken to ensure the horse's well being, if only because of the financial stake involved. If you had any questions about which you'd rather be, a prize stud or fighting rooster, I'd suggest it's the horse. Thousands of vet bills paid on your behalf so that you can pasture and hump for a living. Sounds pretty sweet to me. Or mortal combat with a chicken. I'd make love, not war.

"Traditionally, dog fighting and cock fighting have been entertainment for the poor and uneducated, while boxing and horse racing have been entertainment for the better-educated (so-called) and rich. Is economic entitlement the sole determining factor in which types of violence are acceptable and legal, and which are not?"

In fact, economic entitlement isn't the determinant factor unless you're irrational or else have a preconceived bone to pick with social class Y or entertainment X. Legality and acceptibility are driven by the relative moral worth of the activities, ideally. And in the case of dog fighting vs. boxing, or cock fighting vs. horse racing, the morally reprehensible activities are distinguished from the morally neutral ones. But you've decided to try and make it about social competition, which I find reprehensible.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

But I think CP will have 10 rushing touchdowns this year and Betts will have 7.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Re: Clinton Portis loves fish -- maybe those Siamese bettas -- kidding, actually, from that article in Esquire a while back, I think I remember that he has many hundreds of gallons of marine aquaria.

No Skins talk today? Well OK then.

[Anyone catch the opening of the second Simpsons last night? the 400th episode? with the Raising Arizona intro?]

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Skin Patrol, I think the ratio of rushing yards is about right btwn Portis:Betts (i.e., 10:7), but I anticipate we see different results in the red zone. Lots more Sellers carries. Plus lots more TE screens.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Also, seems like boxers, NASCAR drivers, every other professional (human) athlete ends up getting a better compensation package compared to animals, esp. the part about the loser not having to die for the competition to be over.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Did I just kill this thread by talking about the Skins?

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

dcsween-

Works for me, my concern with the endzone is 'whether' rather than 'through whom'. I'd love to see Sellers carry more as he seems like a deserving, hard working guy. Also, for whatever reason, as Sellers succeeds so do these Redskins (See: 2005).

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

sween- I did see that open last night. what did you think of the "24" style episode before it? it was better than 24 at least, which isn't saying much. man, did that show just fall off a cliff this season

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Everything about Sellers is awesome. In a momentary aspiration of non-laziness, I was thinking about writing up a guest blog titled "Mike Sellers," just because of my abiding man-love for the guy. If I were a reporter for a day, he would be the one I'd want to interview with questions like "How psyched is Walla Walla CC that they have an NFL starter as an alum?" or "do you have vegetables with meals or are those the kind of empty non-protein calories that pros avoid?" or "what advice would you give a CFL or Arena league guy who wants to make it in the NFL?".

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I don't watch 24 Hours, but the consensus around here seems to be that the show jumped the shark awhile ago. I love that one of Bart's conditions to serve as an agent was that Skinner had to tell him a new swear word that he didn't already know. Also nice how Bart had to get the information about of Nelson by roughing him up a little.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

also funny when he prank called Jack Bauer as "Ahmed Adoodie".

yeah, 24 pretty much could've been "4" this year. after the premiere, it went straight downhill.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Re: Simpsons "24"

South Park did it!

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Jack: Chloe, who is Ahmed Adoodie?
Chloe: He is a known Al Quaeda operative in Pakistan.
Jack: Really?
Chloe: No, it was a prank call from some kid.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Kathy H for seeing the POV I'm trying to bring in...

I think the Media/Some fans (including Bloggers) are making too much of this incident compared to other negative activities in the society we live in, wheter it be on TV or in the real world. All of these images (real or not real) have an affect on us, but especially youth.

Horse racing is a big issue? I was finished with racing after the media got caught up in Barboro when the real story was the owners were actually just trying to keep him alive long enough so he can make kids. Once that was out of the question, the euthonized him. That horse didn't ask to be race horse and I am sure he wasn't willing to die, but the MEDIA decided to spin the story in to a fictional story with a happy ending.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

First of all welcome Kathy H. - I've been MIA for a few days thanks to end o'the school year madness. Nice to have another XX in the house.

I've always thought the Sopranos was overrated. It's like Pulp Fiction and Ernest Hemingway, give them credit for groundbreaking work but that doesn't mean they're all that and a bag of chips. The Wire is far far superior as is Deadwood. Course that's the beauty of pop culture, it's all a matter of taste. Oh and what is America's fascination with the mob and British royalty?

Does anyone else think that Soups participating in the QB challenge in the Caymans is a bad thing . . . if he gets injured guess who our starter is?

Posted by: sfskin | May 21, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm sacrificing a turkey and burning sage as we speak to break any potential jinx I just made with the previous post.

It's a tofurkey by the way. No animals were hurt in the typing of this psot.

Posted by: sfskin | May 21, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"I think... Some fans (including Bloggers) are making too much of this incident compared to other negative activities in the society we live in, wheter it be on TV or in the real world."

I demand you name names.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

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The offseason rankings were determined by a poll of ESPN.com's NFL staff -- writers John Clayton, LEN PASQUARELLI, Matt Mosley, Jeffri Chadiha, Scouts Inc. insiders Jeremy Green and Keith Kidd and ESPN.com NFL editors Peter Lawrence-Riddell and Joe Wojciechowski.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 21, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

We can read and see who falls on what side of the fence Skins PAtrol...

I'll Moev on, though. From PFT Non-News NEws:

"POSTED 2:07 p.m. EDT, May 21, 2007

MORE ON THE E-MAIL MESS

A league source has shared with us some more information regarding the pornographic e-mail message that was sent to a whole host of high-level team employees.

For starters, the message wasn't sent only to all General Managers -- it was sent to everyone who has been added to the league's "All General Managers" e-mail distribution list. And that list includes everyone that the teams chose to put on the list.

Plus their secretaries.

We're also told that the sender attempted several times to recall the message, but was unsuccessful. We're also told that the sender later circulated an apology.

And here's where the situation gets potentially more intriguing. The assistant coach who sent the e-mail had been forwarded the message by a member of the team's front office.

We have confirmed the identify of the coach who sent the message, and of the front office employee who had sent it to him. And we're currently wrestling with whether or not we should disclose the names.

Should we? Shouldn't we? We welcome your input."

Posted by: 4th | May 21, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

ok something new for u guys , anyone at beach blitz .. well Cooley was there but left a little after because he had to go to NC to meet with Coach Joe .. now there are 2 rumors that go with this , 1 Gibbs is trying to get Dale Jr , and is having Cooley help bring him in since Dale Jr is a skins fan, and 2 maybe a new deal for Cooley

Posted by: jason | May 21, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

jason, where did you hear about Cooley leaving to go to NC and meet Gibbs? Since the subsequent rumors stem from that juicy bit of info, I want to believe it before I get too excited about the rumor mill.

But both rumors are cool.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Re: Pornographic email

Fingers crossed that it's the Redskins. That guest blog would write itself.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I think that the Skins have several players who are vastly underappreciated:

1.) Mike Sellers
2.) Ladell Betts
3.) ARE

Agree? Disagree?

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Getting Dale Jr would be the equlivant of getting Tom Cruise. You guys don't want to go thru another season like that, do you??? Also, JG Racing has strived to be Family Oriented with the sponsors they pick and Budweiser is not Family Oriented. So it would be hard for JG to get him, but not out of the question.

Re: Pornographic Email - Skin PAtrol, you do not want it to be the Redskins because Gibbs 2.4 might let someone go because of this. Really....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Horse racing is a big issue? I was finished with racing after the media got caught up in Barboro when the real story was the owners were actually just trying to keep him alive long enough so he can make kids. Once that was out of the question, the euthonized him.

4th - you are wrong on that one. Barbaro's owners were trying to save the horse regardless if they could breed him or not. You should read up on stuff before throwing it out there.

Posted by: mitchness | May 21, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, for me James Thrash would be on that list ahead of Betts or ARE, and just behind Sellars. A dude who does everything, with zero fanfare.

Betts isn't anonymous any more after his breakout year and new contract, and ARE came in with offseason fanfare, so I wouldn't say either one is 'underappreciated.' But I don't know for sure how you're keeping score.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

mitchness - I did read up on this stuff and that is were I gathered my thoughts on the issue. From what I read, it was better to euthonize him IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE RACE than to wait so long. That is what they usually do, but this being the Preakness, it would have seemed a 'little' more inhuman to do it on such a grand ol' day........

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

jason,

I heard Coach Gibbs called CP to NC as well. Don't know if it's true.

I saw Portis Friday night. That dude is not big at all. I mean, I knew he wasn't especially big, but he looks more like 5'9" rather than the 5'11" he's listed as being.

I felt so bad for him. Fans mobbed him like he was a rock star. And, they yelled the most foolish things to get his attention for an autograph. A grown person near me kept yelling, "I got yo fathead on my wall! I got yo fathead on my wall!" He probably could have used an even larger security detail than the one he had.

Posted by: JustMe | May 21, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"TomKat and Co., Out for a Spin

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If you found yourself doing a double take along the Potomac Saturday, that really was Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes biking the C&O Canal towpath into Georgetown, reports the Reliable Source's Amy Argetsinger. The Hollywood twosome made a weekend trip to Potomac to visit Redskins owner Dan Snyder and wife Tanya, Snyder spokesman Karl Swanson confirmed yesterday. The two couples (with at least two bodyguards) biked down to Georgetown and hung out at the waterfront park, where they drew a crowd. TomKat graciously signed autographs and posed for photos. (Not too late to send us yours! reliablesource@washpost.com). They stopped off to dine at the Old Angler's Inn on the way back. DanTom cemented their friendship last year when the D.C. mogul agreed to help finance Cruise's production company."

Posted by: 4th Via WaPo and why did no one pick up on this?? | May 21, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

And every time I read their names, I think of Sonny's pronunciation of 'Thrash' and 'Sellers.'

In my mind Sonny rolls the R in Thrash a little bit -- "Thurrash" -- and compensates by all but eliminating the R in Sellers -- "Selluhs".

Ah, Sonny.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

4th -
It'd be worth it. No sacred cows on this staff until they win at least 50% of their games.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

justme ...yah i heard about portis was leaving 2 but i was not sure thanks for that info i was gonna ask if anyone else knew about that, that would cause me to believe it was a thing to get dale jr.

Posted by: jason | May 21, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

TomDanKat - ugh!

This is one of those situations where the celebrities are deliberately going out in public to draw attention and press. Then people talk about them being "gracious" pahleeze! Then they whine about not having privacy!

Seriously! The C&O is 185 miles long!

Posted by: sfskin | May 21, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea why that set me off. . .

. . . the silicon chip inside her head gets switched to overload . . .

Posted by: sfskin | May 21, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - The only thing about that scenario is that I don't think the Eagles would welcome Briggs with open arms with the attitude he is demostrating. That's why they dumped Trotter the 1st time around.

I do welcome McNabb leaving the division, though.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of animals. . . holy shti this is either horrifyly cute or cutely horrifying!

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.htmlurl=/video/offbeat/2007/05/20/lukas.ny.legless.chihuahuas.news12&wm=10

Posted by: sfskin | May 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, the link says "page not found" but reading the title in the link (legless chihuahua!?!?!), I'll pass just the same.

Nate, agreed about liking Sonny's draaaawl. He's too genteel to say it, but one of these times I'd love to hear him respond to one of Sam's off-the-mark-remarks with "Sam, what are you talking about?"

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Have those guys (CruiSnyde Productions) made any movies together yet? Seems like between them they have all the elements to form an incredible creative team. In the sense that today's Hollywood blockbuster biz is really, really creative.

If one of them stood on the other's shoulders, together they would be almost as tall as Michael Eisner.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

gotta love the rumor mill...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Super-shuffle-McNabb-Briggs-swap-makes-sense?urn=nfl,33381

Posted by: 4-12 | May 21, 2007 04:57 PM

The Eagles go into 2007 with a rookie QB? Or AJ Feeley/Kelly Holcomb? God I hope they're that crazy. I doubt Andy Reid's gone nuts over night especially when they're likely the favorite to win the division as is.

Posted by: skinswest | May 21, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Okay, let me get this straight. Cock fighting has something to do with chickens???? Geez, I was thinking it was something else. Oh, nevermind.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, so where do celebs go if they'd like to just go out for a cruis and a burger? Sometime or another they just gotta have the chance to be plain ole folk.

Nate, Sonny is the deifintion of old school, drawl and all; in fact Sonny's why half the South loved the 'skins. He wore a face bar because it was rewquired. He was a qb in the slingin Sammy Baugh mode. Gee whiz, maybe he could've executed Spurrier's offense. Lawd knows Sonny din't have any more protection than Spurrier planned, or a running attack until Larry Brown.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 21, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice work, anonymous. I'd be happy if that were the last word on animal fighting up here.

McNabb trade seems highly unlikely. But stranger things have happened. And the Igs have played very, very well without him during stretches the past few years. But still.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

... and believe it or not, sword fights sometimes involve epees and rapiers ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The rumor about McNabb-for-Briggs is just that, a rumor (being perpetuated by Eagles and Bears fans, respectively).

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

About the power rankings, I think it's a bit suspicious that the order they came up with is hardly any different than the order teams finished with last year. All of the top teams of last year are atop their list and all the lower teams from last year are still on the bottom. With parity, teams move around a lot. Who would have thought that the lowly Saints would end up playing for the NFC title? These guys are afraid to go out on a limb and actually put any thought into their predictions.

Posted by: midniterc | May 21, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

midniterc, word. Off-season rankings are a feeble attempt for football writers trying to maintain relevance when they should be using up vacation time off. Is free agency even over yet?

Have we even talked about how unhappy it is that Ian Scott has landed in the NFC East and NOT on the Skins?

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
Ya got me with Thrash-- he definitely deserves a #2 spot. He has been with us a longggg time, and you're right-- with no fanfare at all.

For me, Sellers is one of the best fullbacks in the game and a major reason that we have such an excellent running back tandem. Wasn't he a Pro Bowl alternate, or am I mistaken? Either way, he deserves some props.

Touche about Betts and ARE. I'm a grad student at IU (where ARE used to play QB), so I'm naturally more inclined to yapping about him getting more attention.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

midniterc, these rankers bravely moved the Cardinals up, like, five spots or something. Whoop dee doo.

This May power ranking thing is akin to mock drafts in November. A wee bit interesting, fun to peruse, but that's about it. Not exactly bulletin board material... unless the Skins have a game against the ESPN writers. Which would be awesome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, I think ARE followed Kordell Stewart as PGH's 'slash' but never really blossomed. (Remember how the 'slash' position was going to revolutionize the game?)

I think of ARE as a threat who has to be accounted for on every play, and therefore keeps the D a little off balance, more than a huge factor in our O planning. I think Moss and Portis get more touches game to game, and therefore get a lot more chances to make big plays, and are therefore much bigger 'real threats.'

Another former college QB and inheritor of the slash mantle is Seneca Wallace in Seattle, but I don't think he's done diddley pooh so far.

It's kind of a lame designation if the coaches aren't creative enough to figure out a consistent role for an immensely talented guy who doesn't fit a 'standard' position.

I hope ARE is featured more this fall, in a better-overall, more efficient and higher-scoring offense, because I hate to feel like that great talent is wasted. [Note: Same goes for everyone else on our team. -Capt. Obvious]

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's cheer for Dario this Sunday - anything to see more Ashley Judd on TV!

Posted by: Row 1 - Outside | May 21, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Thrash and Betts and Sellers being unsung heroes of D.C., but ARE???

The only reason we dont consider him as big a flop as Brandon Lloyd is because ARE gets more touches via punt returns. And if i recall, last year he actually played more at the 2nd rec. spot than B.Lloyd towards the end of the year. If ARE was making alot less, maybe then i could see how he might be overlooked but come on.......the guy GOT PAID when he signed. And like most of our FA splashes he hasnt produced enough to warrant the money in my opinion.

That being said however, I love the guy. I think hes a great addition to the team. He seems like he'd be a solid positive locker room presence and maybe this year he can score some more TD's.

I know getting him on the skins in Madden almost made me cream my pants just thinking about what i could do with the speed that he and Moss have.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | May 21, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse


Poetry at top
Warms my literate blog heart
My work is done here.

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 21, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

JustMe-

I was hoping that the Coaches would have revealed some information about what they expect from the team this year. I had an uncle who went last season said Saunders was very upfront about what he thought the team would do on O. I was just hoping that maybe a bit of gossip would fall in the sand.

Posted by: 35332 | May 21, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

re:ARE, since the season was total shabingus, it's pretty difficult to assess ARE vs. BFL for on-field performance; the difference is that ARE came here with a Ring, said the right things, and talked like a leader the entire time.
BFL couldn't even take responsibility for a missed catch.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 21, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that the only bike The Dan could find to fit him came loaded up with Spider-Man Decals?

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 21, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

JLC said on WPL that springs will be here on june 4th

Posted by: jason | May 21, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

JLC said on washington post live that Shawn Springs will report on June 4th

Posted by: jason | May 21, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

35332,

Unfortunately, because of the times I chose to check out the Redskins events, the only coach I saw on the stage at all was Jerry Gray, and he was ending his talk as we approached, so I didn't catch what he had been talking about.

Sorry I can't be of any help.

Posted by: JustMe | May 21, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

new post!

Posted by: bigfish | May 21, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Sauders practicaly ignored Sellers last year until late in the season. Lets hope he realizes his mistake this year.

Portis really stuck his foot in it and there are no excuses for it. btw...why is everyone laying off Samuels who also made similar comments? I guess he is lucky Portis is taking all the heat on this one.

Put MV in a ring with a pit bull and see how he likes it.

Posted by: congero | May 21, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

History fact of the day: the term "OK" comes from the nickname of Martin Van Buren, the eigth President of the United States, which was "Old Kinderhook." It was later turned into a chastizing mispelling of all correct as "oll korrect." So you have Van Buren to thank for the word "OK"... and not much else.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 02:11 PM

maybe you forgot about the Urban Planning gang that terrorizes the good people of NYC

Posted by: RBD202 | May 21, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse


I just can't believe two offensive gurus like Gibbs and Saunders couldn't get on the same page last year until late in the season. Most anti-Skins fans I talked to said there are too many egos on the coaching staff and that each man wants to do their own thing. I didn't believe it at first, but then you look at last year and see all the dysfunction. Btw, why does the safety coach Jackson still have a job with the Skins?

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 21, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

maybe you forgot about the Urban Planning gang that terrorizes the good people of NYC

Posted by: RBD202 | May 21, 2007 07:40 PM


Touche, RBD202! Touche.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 21, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, canfora gets comp time? For writing articles about the skins and partying with the team on road games. I'm sorry I am comparing everyone's job to the deckhands on "Deadliest Catch", and canfora seems like his is a cush job, work from home. visit the park once in a while, blog and road trip with the team. Comp time, wow

Posted by: Steve B | May 21, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

In reading some other blogs some think NY will put a hit out on Tony and mistakenly off Meadow. She'll be driving the escalade in the city w/ her b/f (Patsy's son?) and it'll be a case of mistaken identity. I know; similar to GodFather III but interesting nonetheless.

Posted by: ceelo | May 21, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Bobby gets wacked in front of his kids at a hobby shop... HAHA Oh Sil gets it too!

Posted by: mememe | May 22, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

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