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A Look at Upshaw's Legacy

Jason Reid shares his thoughts on the death of Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association.

By Cindy Boren  |  August 21, 2008; 5:03 PM ET
 
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This Gold will be shared by Buges and Upshaw Fam......

Posted by: 4th | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Eugene grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it."

Posted by: M. Wilbon | August 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Eugene grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it."

Posted by: Born Loser| August 21, 2008 5:50 PM

Wrong. That was Sean Taylor, not Gene Upshaw.

What kind of a despicable crud would come up here with his deranged hate for Gene Upshaw when the family's mourning and the body's not even in the ground?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Condolences to Gene Upshaw's family.

F Midget Snyder

Posted by: R. Goodell | August 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

guess no one's in a blogging mode

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I'll take the fifth.

Posted by: ccc | August 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Missed it by THAT much!

Posted by: ccc | August 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

What in the world are we doing tonight?

Is this an unveiling we don't know how to handle death at all? We are really showing ourselves to be an immature bunch tonight.


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason Reid,
When you report someone was criticized say why.
When you report someone was praised for their job performance, state why.

Poor job; low standard, no substance.
Waste of time.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

It's finally refreshing to have a coach who is transparent and tells it like it is. I like Zorn so far, only time and wins will tell if he can coach.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 21, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey Sicwidit,
What do you remember about Norv Turner and his statements after losses?
He had this recurring phrase, that continued to be repeated again and again.
It drove me crazy.
Do you remember it?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ray, was it "we just needed someone to step up and make a play" or something like that?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 21, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I remember him being a fan of the word Golly

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Very good Nate!!

Drove me crazy!
Always seemed to revolve around "making plays":

We didn't step and make plays
We didn't make plays
We had plays to make but didn't
They plays were there to be made but we ...


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Sad day for sure. First, the congresswoman from Ohio, then Holly Bugle and Gene Upshaw. Not to mention the Spanair flight, the bombing in Pakistan, southern Thailand and anywhere else there were bombings.

Please, for the love of God, don't mention Norv Turner - it puts me in a most morose mood. I've got work to do today. Craaaaaaaaaap! Go 'skins. Play nickel. Don't worry about the run just don't lose any starters to injury.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Sullivan and Orton are the right choices to lead the Niners and Bears. Both having solid games while their back-ups play less inspiring with the back-ups.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Blogging with myself. Is there some must see TV going on?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Final minutes of SF vs Chi

FYI Washington Ranks No 3 in the NFC in terms of Yards Per Game in the pre-season 8th in the NFL, No1 in NFC East

Not that it matters much.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile in YPG on D we are stinking it up at 20th. (however we are 6th in terms of points allowed.

(FYI Dallas is 7th in yards allowed but 31st in points allowed)

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 21, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the numbers, Alex. If they don't seem to add up, they must not be counting the enormous KO and punt return yards the Pokes give up each and every time.

Must see TV? Well, NBC has the gold medal mens beach volleyball match on. Oh, if you watch any more volleyball you'll puke? I get that. But if you just watch this one then you don't have to watch again til 2012.

Posted by: SMACK | August 21, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to say earlier how much I loathed Norv every time he'd say that "we just needed someone to make a play" sounding as if he were utterly helpless in the matter.

Like, dude, you are the freaking* head coach of this team -- surely you can put your guys in a position to make plays by preparing them, leading them, exhorting them, COACHING them. Good grief. But NOOOOO, Norv was always content to throw his hands up in the air and lament that nobody had made a play. Okay. Norval Turner, leader of men.

* it is clear that I use "freakin'" as a substitute for that other F word, right? Okay.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 22, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Sad day. Prayers for all involved.

Nice to see Diddy back, at least.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 22, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

I remember him being a fan of the word Golly

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 21, 2008 10:10 PM

Yes. Yes. I hated that!!

True but true.......

Posted by: 4th | August 22, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Training Camp: August 21st
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Aug 21, 2008

How did Colt Brennan look today? Why did Marcus Washington miss practice? What did Jim Zorn have to say about Upshaw? All this and more right here...

...Sad day at Redskins Park: Joe Bugel’s daughter, Holly, died of a rare bone cancer. Buges coached his group, hung around for a bit and then was scheduled to leave for Phoenix. His group is very close with him.

"We have a real tight family here," Redskins right tackle Jon Jansen said. "When you lose a member it hurts a lot more when you’re tight-knit, but you also know that you have a lot of people around to support you and everyone will be there for Buges.

"None of us have gone through that situation [losing a child]. Some of us have kids and we know how we feel about our own kids. [Bugel] came in and said, ‘Love your kids up; you don’t ever know what’s going to happen.’ "

...The Redskins also had to react to Gene Upshaw’s death. Owner Dan Snyder was close with him. Coach Jim Zorn played against Upshaw in the late 70s and early 80s.

"He was a tremendous athlete and leader," said Redskins coach Jim Zorn, who played against Upshaw, a Hall of Fame guard with Oakland, in the 1970s and early ‘80s. "The amount of history he was involved in changing the NFL was dramatic to say the least. He’ll be greatly missed."

...Too much sadness at Redskins Park the past few years, with the deaths of Kevin Mitchell, Justin Skaggs and obviously Sean Taylor. There’s also Shawn Springs’ father who is in a coma and, last year, Joe Gibbs’ grandson who had leukemia.

...Now, on to the on-field action. Rookie Malcolm Kelly is unlikely to play Saturday. He practiced more today, but he did not show the necessary burst that Zorn wanted to see.

...LB Marcus Washington did not practice as he was getting his hip checked out. Zorn said he was just being precautionary.

...The Redskins rotated their corners, going first with Shawn Springs and Fred Smoot and then Smoot and Carlos Rogers.

...Colt Brennan was a little inaccurate on some of his early passes, missing Fred Davis too far inside and then throwing to the wrong shoulder of Nehemiah Broughton. However, he later got away with a tough decision because of his accuracy. With Khary Campbell all but draped on Davis at the goal-line, Brennan tried to squeeze the ball in. It was one of those, "No, no, no... nice pass," sort of plays because he got the ball to Davis. Brennan is not afraid to make a mistake and that will help in a few years when he’s much more polished.

...Oh, yeah. One more Brennan throw: a beautiful pass to Horace Gant in the right corner of the end zone, just over Reed Doughty’s fingertips. Very nice pass.

...Anthony Montgomery continues to work with the second team. Still standing too high for my taste. Greg Blache said he has to stay on top of Montgomery; Monty said he no longer needs that. But I side with Blache on this one. I like Monty, but the knock on him in college was staying motivated; you’d better stay on him for a few years before you trust he’ll be that way on his own.

...Matt Sinclair is still out with back spasms. That leaves an opening for Alfred Fincher at linebacker. Fincher’s big problem is that he too often is not in the right position; sometimes he makes a play because of it, but it’s something he must correct.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/781858.html


Posted by: Keim to da Post | August 22, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Damn. I forgot about Justin Skaggs and JLaC didn't include him in his article of tragedies.........

Posted by: 4th | August 22, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Looks like it might be "Lights Out" on Shawne Merriman (aka Little LaVar)...

WHISPERS BEGIN REGARDING MERRIMAN’S CONDITION
Posted by Mike Florio on August 21, 2008, 12:22 p.m.
In the wake of a report that Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman visited with renowned orthopedist James Andrews regarding Merriman’s knee, we’re hearing that there is quiet concern within the organization that Merriman could be done, after only four NFL seasons.

Merriman had arthroscopic knee surgery during the offseason. He made the trip to Alabama to see Dr. Andrews because of persistent pain in the knee. (Curiously, there’s a conflict between the two major San Diego papers regarding the identity of the doctor who performed the procedure. The North County Times says that it was Andrews. The Union-Tribune claims that it was team physician David Chao.)

Officially, coach Norv Turner says he isn’t worried. “My concern will be if it lingers,” Turner said Wednesday. “Hopefully, it won’t linger and hopefully in the next week to 10 days, he’s going to be all right and ready to get going.”

As we hear it, there’s already concern, behind the scenes. Nothing may come of it, and Merriman might end up being fine. But the team is definitely worried about the possibility that Merriman could be done.

“He’s had some soreness,” Turner said. “I think he wants to make sure he gets it checked out and make sure everything is all right with it. When he’s been able to practice and move around, he’s looked awfully good to me.”

There’s no denying that Merriman is awfully good. But, like most athletes, it’s hard to do much of anything with a bum knee.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

By the way, did anyone see this about that jackass Tiki Barber? It sounds like he said c*nt (you know which vowel goes there) to Jenna Wolfe on the air!

http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/08/msnbcs-olympic-update-continues-to.html

My apologies to anyone at work that can't access video.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

That was great what an idiot, NBC needs to let him do football stuff nothing else.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, they shouldn't even let him do that. He's got to be the most smug know-it-alls on TV. He even rubs Giants fans the wrong way!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey P Diddy, your comments from yesterday made Wise's column:

I want to find meaning somewhere, perhaps in the words of a thoughtful reader of Redskins Insider, who posted this message on the blog yesterday after learning of the news: "Executives, middle managers, and rank and file employees can all learn something from how NFL families cope with adversity. Indeed, all of us can learn the value of forging and maintaining the important relationships in our lives despite the stresses, physical distances, and petty misunderstandings that may intervene."

Good stuff, P Diddy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I agree brown;

very well said PAC NW proprietor of RI shabingi...

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Shabingi.... Shabinguses;

I dnot know which I like better. Kinda like that Xmas song with Rhinoceruseses....

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

This article from the Washington Times scares me a little. These are comments from a team source about the punting situation. Look at the stats and you should know who are punter is but this guy seems to think differently.

"If Derrick has the hang time we want in this game, then he has the advantage," the source said. "We would cut a draft pick. All along we've wanted a better punter this year whether that was Durant or whether Derrick improved."

Brooks, the nation's top punter as a senior at Georgia Tech in 2007, boomed three kicks over 50 yards last week and has averaged 44.2 yards gross and 33.7 net on 10 kicks.

Frost, who put his job in jeopardy by slumping in the second half of last season, has averaged 34.0 gross and 22.8 net on four punts.

I know Brooks has had more kicks but 10yrds in gross and 11 in net and they are still considering Frost. Frost has no hang time and gives up long returns all the time.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/22/frost-may-keep-job-with-solid-showing/

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Here's something interesting on ESPN.com, it's a complete guide to gameday at every NFL stadium. Here's the link and the synopsis:

http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/news/story?id=3546633

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You're going to need to be right in the thick of it. Let it waft all over you. Soak it in.

So get thee to the stadium.

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From stadium histories and deals on tickets to directions and great places to eat and drink before and after the big game, the NFL Stadium Guides are at once a planning tool for the sports tourist and a game-day resource.

Book your flight and hotel room, or make a postgame reservation at a nearby restaurant. Looking for a good burger, some barbecue to write home about or just some simple pub food to wash down with a brew? Check the listing of sports bars.

Weather forecasts, team schedules and headlines, city guides, stadium diagrams, seating notes, radio podcasts, street maps, parking information, public-transportation options, it's all here. Click and go:

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

K;

I think one thing they noted was Frost's holding for FG's.... but I feel they could teach the rook, they have tried frost for how many years now, his punting isnt going to get any better.

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I know Brooks has had more kicks but 10yrds in gross and 11 in net and they are still considering Frost. Frost has no hang time and gives up long returns all the time.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:25 AM

I am Brooks' number one fan, but I think that Frost put three of his kicks down inside the 20, so you would expect low numbers. Brooks has only put one inside the 20 and it wasn't impressive -- about the 19, not the five. (This is done from memory, so any errors are the fault of my memory, not me.)

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Z;

I agree you know if we let Brooks go he will be picked up by another team. Knowing are luck it will be a NFC East team and he will turn into Ray Guy.

He just needs more work on the holding and the pooch punting it will get better.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Ade Jimoh didn't quite make it with the Patriots. Got cut yesterday to make room for O Lineman, Mike Flynn, 10 year Raven veteran.

So he lasted less than a week. I wonder if Ade will retire as a Patriot?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

TE,

They both have 3 inside the 20 so the numbers are a little misleading, but I have seen Frost punt here for three years and I have seen enough.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

K, if you noticed in the game last night, Andy Lee the OSU drafted punter was the #1 punter in the league last year. Now he prolly had a lot of punts on that team, but we have had bad teams where our punter wasnt even close.

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure why people keep saying Fred Davis has not done anything in preseason. He is 2nd on the team in receptions and he has been a good blocker.

Fred Davis 6 45 7.5 10 0

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I was one yesterday K, what i meant to say is that we just havent heard about him lighting it up...

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Billy McMullen 10 142 14.2 37 0

Anthony Mix 1 7 7.0 7 0

If we are keeping a extra wideout I think McMullen should be it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Anon at 7:55 was me.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

K,

Thanks. I looked up the numbers and Brooks had three inside the 20, but two of them went into the end zone. Frost had three and none in the end zone.

But, yeah, unless Frost is a boomer tonight, he's gone. And if Suisham doesn't like Brooks' holds, then Suisham might be gone, too. The report yesterday from one of the non-Post sources was that Suisham isn't looking very good in practice lately.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I saw that as well they should have someone in camp pushing him for that job. He is not good on the mid-range field goals, his KO have gotten better, but he will cost us a game or two this year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh, we are ALL so devotedly optimistic each pre-season aren't we?
We are always hoping the 7th round draft choices and undrafted FA are going to be our next All-Pros....

Hey, we love our skins and so I share in that optimism.

Punters?
We naturally hope Brooks is the next Ray Guy.
I'll say this:
In fairness to Frost, he has done some really nice punting the last few years crowding opponents inside their 20.

Brooks, is the future, he will be kept on this team and will be instructed to work on pinning opponents inside the 20 and will be working on his holding each week as well.

Frost?
Someone will pick him up, and yes, he will do a good job of kicking inside the 20, but other than that? He'll be average.

I'm more worried / interested in who we keep in all other positions. Only sure thing is, barring injury it will be JC, TC, HB at QB.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

K--

I think that with the 80 man roster and all the injuries, it's hard to have competition at every position. If they're not happy with Suisham, he knows it, and he knows there's competition even if they guy's not on the field. They can bring in four guys on a day's notice. With kickers, it's not like they need to be here to learn "the system" or anything.

That said, the Skins have been too fast to cut kickers in the past and I'd hate to see this one turn into a gem for someone else like Akers with Philadelphia. He played in one game for the 'Skins in 1998, missed two field goals of 40-49 yards, and has been the Eagles kicker for the last nine years. He's hit 66% of his kicks of 40-49 yards for the Eagles.

Suisham is 74% from that range, and 82% in the 30-39 yard range (where Akers is 90%).

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Suisham isn't looking good lately?

Mike Vanderjagt available?

Laughing as I type, we all remember the connection between the two correct?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, TE. I had a whole breakdown of how Suisham's numbers are actually very good when you compare him to the likes of Adam Vinatieri early in his career. The only thing with Suisham is WHEN he misses a kick it's usually at a really bad time.

Redskin Ray, wasn't the connection that Suisham was cut to make way for Vandy as Dallas' big free agent pickup?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Both are Canadians.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brown!
Good work TE!


Brown,
Yes, almost.

Vanderjagt had a few unbelievable years w/ Colts where he was like 90%. The guy was unbelievable. But he missed a FG very very badly vs. Pittsburgh in playoffs and Colts cut him signing AV from Pats.

Dallas quickly snatched up Vanderjagt.
Mentally still not recovering from his bad choke vs. Pitts, he was stinking it up in Dallas.

Dallas did not want to let him go, so they kept him but benched him for awhile, hoping he would get his act together. His replacement? Suisham! Dallas inserted Vanderjagt back into the role of PK, but he stunk it up and they cut him during the season picking up Martin Gramatica.

They couldn't get Suisham back, because the Skins had picked up Suisham.

So, I jokingly asked if they are unhappy w/ Suisham is Vanderjagt available.
Vandy was so mentally gone, he never was claimed by any other NFL team and has been kicking in Canada since.

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

What Swishy really needs is more 13 year olds in hot tubs! [:-\ and a beer!

ugh....

Jani-wha? Jani-who?


...maps.

Posted by: Dik | August 22, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the rundown, Ray. I knew most of that, but I wasn't sure where you going with it when you mentioned the connection. It's pretty pitiful how Vandy is still the most accurate FG kicker in NFL history and he's literally begging for a job.

I likely won't be blogging anymore today because of my work schedule, but just a reminder to all my fellow out-of-towners that NFLN is airing the Skins game at 1pm on Sunday. HTTR!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh, one last thing--Sportscenter just opened with "breaking news" (even though PFT had it yesterday) that Shawne Merriman may be done playing permanently because of a knee injury. He really IS like LaVar...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

brown, I read that on PFT, seems like a HUGE stretch to me, but "career ending" elicits more hits than "sore knee", however.

I'm anxious to see how the game goes. The panthers have a very good Defense, so this will be a good test for the Redskins. Jansen better be bringing his A game versus Peppers.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty pitiful how Vandy is still the most accurate FG kicker in NFL history and he's literally begging for a job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 9:07 AM

I thought the story on Vanderjagt is that he's not begging for a job. A couple of teams called his agent and he's placed unreasonable pre-conditions on even working out for them and on the salary he expects. Also, he was seen as a locker room cancer since he went after Manning.

In any event, he did get tryouts with Denver and KC, and now he's playing for the Toronto Argonauts where he is 18 of 25.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Good point Greg, about Jansen and Peppers.
My hope is JC plays one half.
I don't want him in there any longer than he needs to be.
In fact it's all right w/ me if he doesn't even play the last Pre-Season game!
Same for CP, CS, SM, CC on offense.
I mean, why risk any injury?

Are you thinking Heyer is ready to replace Jansen?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Jansen better be bringing his A game versus Peppers.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 9:19 AM

And, in grading Jansen, will you grade on the curve to get him an A? (I think not).

The one who better bring his A game after last week is Campbell.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Went after Manning?
That was years ago.
Manning is a leader isn't he?
He stopped all of that, saying something like "Oh, he's only a liquored up kicker who is just running off at that mouth?"
Manning is refreshing, isn't he?

Now, you may be right about Vandy and contract demands, I know NOTHING about any of that, so I defer to you.

I'd say if he had tryouts, he wanted to return to the NFL, but he has been shown to be shaky between the ears.

I'll give it to Place Kickers, they do have to be awfully mentally strong!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the Bears/49ers game last night? Brandon Lloyd blocked a punt and was getting hugs by the coaches on sidelines.

Posted by: Lisa | August 22, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

There is a great picture of Jansen and Bugel in today's print edition. I can't find it on line.

If you live in the area, I don't understand not getting the print edition of the Post -- it would be a bargain at twice the price -- $1.50 per week. Heck, you can pay for it with the Sunday grocery store coupons.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

With the mention of David Akers recently by Talent Evaluator.....

Would you folks like to start a new thought?

What player did the Redskins release [not resign] that has turned out to be a great find for someone else?

One per post please.

Antonio Pierce

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray just tread out into deep water by mentioning AP on RI. Ouch! uuuhg

Posted by: bangkokben | August 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd blocked a punt

Posted by: Lisa | August 22, 2008 9:35 AM

Was it a Chicago punt he blocked or an SF punt?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd actually working on special teams?

Guess he learned his lesson.
Either produce or get off the can...

Missed it watching the Olympics

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah TE;

We need to see in this game...

A) Good decisions by JC, no hesitating like last. A TD pass would be nice.

B) Starting O line creating a good pocket

C) CP needs to run like it is a real game before he hurts himself.

D) Devin Thomas and Fred Davis getting balls with the First team O

E) Pressure From DE's... actually sacks

F) Good tackling from CB's and safeties.

G) Young Safeties making plays

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Ray, no to Heyer, at least not yet anyway. From everything thats being reported on Heyer, he hasn't played well yet this pre-season. I'm just hoping that Jansen has a reasonable showing. Keep JC upright, and hopefully no injuries.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Add to your list:

H) Curzon drunk out of his mind on tequila.


Now, one of the above is a sure thing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, thats just funny. Arch, and BLloyd are basically following the same career path. Flame out in DC go to Chicago, flame out there. Brandon should buy himself some raiders gear, because that's his next stop before the CFL.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

* it is clear that I use "freakin'" as a substitute for that other F word, right? Okay.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 22, 2008 12:54 AM

I thought freaking was the F word ...

Todd Flanders: "Daddy, my freaking ears are burning!"

Posted by: dcsween | August 22, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

It's finally refreshing to have a coach who is transparent and tells it like it is. I like Zorn so far, only time and wins will tell if he can coach.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 21, 2008 9:50 PM

I must admit that I like Zorn. When I first heard that he was the promoted selection, I laughed, but I think you guys have a good "young" coach. I forsee many battles for years b/w he and Jason Garrett, starting next year.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Funny i; So what is the litmus for the firing of Phillips?

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

No playoff wins?

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Ok SMACK;

So if they make the playoffs again, and they dont win he is gone.

What was the playoff appearance frequency prior to Phillips?

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, they shouldn't even let him do that. Tiki's got to be the most smug know-it-alls on TV.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 22, 2008 6:36 AM

Agree to disagree

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | August 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Oh no, Dallas is loaded!!!
Loaded!
If Dallas does not make it to the SB, Jerry will fire Phillips and go w/ Garrett.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. How long has Phillips been there?? 2 years?? Lets say they go 13-3 again, he'll be 26-6 overall. No way he gets fired.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The playoff appearance frequency prior to Phillips is irrelevant. That's a diseased way of thinking. Two playoff wins and we probably keep him around.

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The funny part is, Dallas' numbers this pre-season look like crap. Not that it means anything. But if it did right now they would be last in the division.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Funny i; So what is the litmus for the firing of Phillips?

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 10:03 AM

I think Wade is gone no matter what. If he doesn't get us there, JJ will say he did it to keep Garrett. If Wade wins the SB, he will be "gently" parachuted out with a nice big check to go away.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

don't know if anyone posted this yet, but here is dan snyder's wall street journal interview, he destroys the post in it

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121926203583757663.html?mod=sports

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

But what has Phillips done, really? Win with Bill Parcells' team while not being Bill Parcells? Anyone can do that.

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Diseased, seem appropriate for the girls!! ;)

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. How long has Phillips been there?? 2 years?? Lets say they go 13-3 again, he'll be 26-6 overall. No way he gets fired.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 10:21 AM

No way they go 13-3 again. They had way too many lucky bounces last year. I don't see that happening again.

But I can see not winning a playoff game costing Phillips his job.

Posted by: Anon the Barbarian | August 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I know this is RI, but I wanted to commend you guys on getting a good coach (although some of the Spurrier press conferences were the highlight of my day. I will miss "hindsight is 50-50.")

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I have a gut feeling that something will go very bad for Dallas this year, not sure why or what.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

But I can see not winning a playoff game costing Phillips his job.

Posted by: Anon the Barbarian | August 22, 2008 10:25 AM

Think: Marty Schottenheimer (who Phillips worked for in SD)

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey TE is back as TE

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I have a gut feeling that something will go very bad for Dallas this year, not sure why or what.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM

"gut feeling" here is "history repeats itself." My prediction: Romo's gf gets pregnant ..... by TO. Splits the locker room.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The funny part is, Dallas' numbers this pre-season look like crap. Not that it means anything. But if it did right now they would be last in the division.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:23 AM

Preseason stats are meaningless. But the whole damn best team in the NFC coronation is a joke. We won seven games last season by ten points or less, while suffering the fewest injuries in the league. That doesn't exactly set us apart. My guess is, after this season, it'll be pretty easy to get rid of Wade.

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

A) Good decisions by JC, no hesitating like last. A TD pass would be nice.
Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 9:41 AM


I would hope for more than one TD. If the starters play the 1st half, they should score 14 - 17 points.

----------------

H) Curzon drunk out of his mind on tequila.
Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 9:44 AM


TE, this is not happening for two reasons. 1)Can't get the game over here so it will be a regular beer night and 2)the in-laws are coming over so I have to behave.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 22, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I have a gut feeling that something will go very bad for Dallas this year, not sure why or what.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM

Something about new starter, Adam Jones? Nah, can't be that. Nothing bad ever happens when HE's around ...

Posted by: dcsween | August 22, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I have a gut feeling that something will go very bad for Dallas this year, not sure why or what.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM

Not sure what this refers to. Is there another poster up here who uses "talent evaluator" as his handle? Maybe I should change to avoid confusion -- not that confusion is a bad thing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

... to avoid confusion -- not that confusion is a bad thing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 22, 2008 10:38 AM

Confusion ... that means "with" fusion.

Posted by: dcsween | August 22, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I had to lol @ BLloyd last night.


dude was celebrating like he won the Superbowl after his meaningless blocked punt. I'm talking about this guy was PUMPED.


lol

Posted by: The Truth | August 22, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

watching USA v argentina via web through projector on office wall positioned so you can't see it if you walk by me!!!!!!!

Sweet!


Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone been watching the Dallas Cowboys Hard Knocks? The scene the other night with Jerry Jones and Peter King eating popcorn was slightly disgusting.

Posted by: Lisa | August 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

ok..duly noted...

Posted by: chrIS lArry's boss | August 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I had to lol @ BLloyd last night.


dude was celebrating like he won the Superbowl after his meaningless blocked punt. I'm talking about this guy was PUMPED.


lol

Posted by: The Truth | August 22, 2008 10:42 AM

I was looking for him in the game to do something but by the end of the 1st quarter I got tired of watching 2 suck-a$$ teams and switched to something else. I never even saw the tool on the field.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, was it worse than Wade's tongue?

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I love all behind-the-scenes stuff related to the NFL, but there are aspects of that show that I dislike. Too many guys "performing" for the camera, including JJ, himself.

They could have cut the popcorn scene. It was cheesy and disgusting watching two old dudes stuff popcorn in there mouths. And then JJ tells PK to "stay slim!"

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Haven't you been posting under new names of late TE?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I tried watching Hard Knocks, b/c I theoretically like the show...a lot...

But those SJK-heels are so lame on every level that it becomes unwatchable....

Doing the same team twice in 4 years was a horrible choice...


F Dallas!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 22, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

+++I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but here is dan snyder's wall street journal interview, he destroys the post in it

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:24 AM+++

You guys at the MOONIE paper really need to read RI more often. Otherwise, your comments here will be as out of date as your Website. This was posted here two days ago.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

when will @$$ hats learn don't cover teams that most people don't like. I would love to see a poll on what NFL teams have the highest negative vs positive ratings, I assume Dallas is up there.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Show of hands...how many here, without looking it up or asking someone, know how many houses they own? 9Foreclosure don't count)

Oh and F Dallas

Posted by: Granpa | August 22, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Oops. I forgot to hit the capital key. so I put a "9" in front of the"Foreclosures" This was an accident and not a sign of my impending..oooh, look cookies!

Oh, and F dallas

Posted by: Granpa, Again | August 22, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Grandpa, not that this is the place, but what does that have to do with anything? Like Barack Obama is the common everyman in his million dollar home and his 4 mil salary?

Dont get caught up in the stupid pre-election naysaying... vote with a brain.

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

With the mention of David Akers recently by Talent Evaluator.....

Would you folks like to start a new thought?

What player did the Redskins release [not resign] that has turned out to be a great find for someone else?

One per post please.

Antonio Pierce

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 9:38 AM

Trent Green

Posted by: skinfanman | August 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and

/Rant

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

any guy who uses "LOL" or any other abreviation such as that is more than likely a little light in the loafers. fruit cakes.

Posted by: | August 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

In the end, Gene Upshaw did not take care of the guys who made the NFL what it is today," said former Giant Sam Huff. "I feel sorry for his family. You want to be sympathetic but it is hard to do."

Just lost some respect for Sam.

Posted by: jm220 | August 22, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah JM;

I heard that the pensions and care recieved by former NFL'ers is significantly more than what they made playing. I dont know the logistics, and it may be a bad comparison, but you dont take a swipe at a man who just died.

Maybe Sam needs to get his alzheimers checked out.

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Sage Rosenfels

Posted by: skinfanman | August 22, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Jordan Palmer

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

CL, we know how each fan feels about the other's team, but I can still be civil. I've enjoyed your postings over the years and have to grudgingly admit that most of you guys are more clever and funnier (e.g., P Diddy, Megskin--when she used to post, as well as Cindy--and the occaissionaly Anon) than the posters on the Dallas Morning News blog. The WaPo is my hometown paper and as long as I shell out cash to buy it, I feel entitled to take advantage of all of their offerings, including this blog.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Walt Harris

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

jm, agreed. Neither the time, nor place for holding a grudge.

Oh, and Kenny Watson. I've alway's thought he was a very talented back. Not in the realm of a Marcus Mason, but talented just the same.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Rich Gannon

Posted by: Anon the Barbarian | August 22, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Walt Harris

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Stephen Davis

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Gus Ferrotte

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Keenan Mccardell (the first time)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon--two guys who took their team to the SB

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I liked Kenny Watson, too. But I don't think he gets used right in Cincy. He'd be a good west coast back. I remember there was a legitimate debate whether to keep Watson or Betts. The Skins chose right.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 22, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon--two guys who took their team to the SB

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 11:28 AM

The same one.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 22, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

cry me a river icowboysfan, post till your fingers fall off I dont care! But if we can't say "f dallas" on a skins blog than that guy on 14th street is right, the world is ending soon...

Its not my fault you root for the lamest franchise in history...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

With players like Davis and Johnson we knew what we had. With Gannon and McCardell we didn't know.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

...as the Redskins were the last NFL team to integrate in 1962.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Art Monk

Posted by: SMACK | August 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas!
Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas!
Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas! Duck Fallas!

Posted by: Duck Fallas! | August 22, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

With players like Davis and Johnson we knew what we had. With Gannon and McCardell we didn't know.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 22, 2008 11:34 AM

Problem was, what we had to replace these two wasn't very good.

Posted by: Nico | August 22, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

skinfan, agreed. Watson did nothing with Cincy, until last year. Sure they have Rudi Johnson, and drafted Chris Perry, but Watson could play a role for them, like hopefully I envision the role Betts playing for the Redskins.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

cL, enjoy any biscuits lately?

Posted by: | August 22, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Ok, CL (which now stands for a different meaning--ask Tiki for the first word), did anybody say you couldn't say "F Dallas?"

I don't have a problem w/that, as I recall somebody used to post "F Chris Larry".

So post all you want b/c I'm responding to you nor any subject you post about again. If I see your name, I'm skipping the post.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me started on integration (sports teams and otherwise) in DC. It's personal.

I would like to think, though, that many of us have learned from the lessons of the past.

Many of us have not, regrettably. U listening Mont. Cnty school board?!

Posted by: Dik | August 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Derek Smith

Posted by: Chris | August 22, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

works for me iCowboyFan....I skip yours on principal....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 22, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 11:12 AM

well I guess we could not go a full off season talking about it could we.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Taylor Jacobs

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And since this is the Upshaw post, I'd like to point out something I saw on NFL network last nite...

The report stated they wouldn't want to compare Upshaw to Jackie Robinson - but given that Upshaw was the highest paid, highest profile black executive of his day, isn't the comparison apt?

I shudder to think of an upcoming strike.. but maybe we'll win another Stuperbowl, eh?

Posted by: Dik | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

All I know is in my High-school whites were a minority, and people of all races embraced racist humor, I was called Jewwey the Jew or Jewbaca, I was a harry teen.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Taylor Jacobs

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM

We're not sure of the category yet, but we are hardcore giggling about this one.

Posted by: Awards Committee | August 22, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

SMACK, nothing is worse than Wade Phillips tongue!!!

One guy really making plays last night for the 49ers was Zak Keasey....who played briefly for the Skins in 2005.

Posted by: Lisa | August 22, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

With the mention of David Akers recently by Talent Evaluator.....

Would you folks like to start a new thought?

What player did the Redskins release [not resign] that has turned out to be a great find for someone else?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 22, 2008 9:38 AM

Got to go with B Mitch.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 22, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: Lloyd Brandon | August 22, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I saw Keasey last night. Seemed like he held his own running the ball, made a great special teams tackle.

Posted by: Greg | August 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If we are keeping a extra wideout I think McMullen should be it.
Posted by: kmdp4 | August 22, 2008 7:56 AM

kmpd, I know a lot of bloggers are high on McMullen. My problem is that I don't like his hands. If a pass is away fray his body, he has trouble catching it. Either alligator arms, or poor hands. I also think Mix has better Teams skills. I know we haven't seen much of Mix, but I think he helps the team more.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Wait, is the preseason game tonight or tomorrow???

Posted by: The Truth | August 22, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Wait, is the preseason game tonight or tomorrow???

Posted by: The Truth | August 22, 2008 11:58 AM

oui

Posted by: French | August 22, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I got not problems w/ racial humor. I'm a Blairite from the 80's. Though it better be with some degree of empathy...

I just didn't and still don't like the favoritism and border re-design to create white schools in mixed districs.

Plus, my Grandfather coached Eastern HS over the Catholic schools in the City Championship. Whites did not take kindly and there was a riot the second year in '62. The press blamed (and still seems to... CITY PAPER... http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=20676 ) Eastern, though there was plenty of blame to go around in those days.

Posted by: Dik | August 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Nope Zeese, especially when someone strafes the blog with that crap...posting F Dallas does not constitute a football post...

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

42 Split Right Mnlyaaaah!

Posted by: Wade Phillips | August 22, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

^^ No one cares

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Zebra | August 22, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey,

Beep Beep.

See you there.

Posted by: swb | August 22, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"What player did the Redskins release [not resign] that has turned out to be a great find for someone else?"

Ryan Clark - definitely miss him
Kenny Watson - not so much him

Posted by: isnadd | August 22, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

the in-laws are coming over so I have to behave.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 22, 2008 10:35 AM

I HATE it when that happens.

Posted by: Redskin Willie | August 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

kmpd, I know a lot of bloggers are high on McMullen.
Posted by: frediefritz | August 22, 2008 11:57 AM

frediefritz, can you describe the high? is it mostly a body thing or hallucinations, or what? street stuff or pharm? know where a guy could get a sample?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

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