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A New Day, A New Thread

This is Cindy filling in for JLaC, who's preparing for Chloepalooza (she turns 2 this week)...
You say you need a new thread like a certain team that shall remain nameless needs a GM? I deliver.
Just wanted to point out a Joe Gibbs mention in Liz Clarke's NASCAR story in today's paper. But first, a bit of context. Remember the last time Coach Joe went back to NASCAR in the offseason and mentioned that he didn't know how much longer he could do the fubball thing and some media outlets didn't realize he was kidding? He had to do a second presser to explain. Well, if you'll recall, the person who rightly understood what he was saying that time was Liz Clarke, who formerly covered the Skins (though not under Gibbs). Because of covering NASCAR when Gibbs was out of fubball, she knows him better than probably anyone at the Post.
I tell you this so that you will take this snippet with something like a grain of salt, since Liz did not go to DEFCON. Breath deeply! Perspective! Context! Still, it's an interesting quote and I figure it's good for about 200 blog posts at the minimum.
Liz writes:
On hand for Tony Stewart's victory was his car owner, Washington Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs.
"It was great to be back and win something again. I got kicked around pretty good this year in football and it was fun being back with the guys. ... I miss the NASCAR family."


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Hmmmmm, that shoulda gone live at 10 a.m. Stupid timer thingy.
Too much Popeye's and Pinot for me last night.

Posted by: Cindy | February 11, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the new post Cyn Cyty. I take it you are feeling much better.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Well I doubt he'd say he didn't miss the NASCAR family.

That would not be very nice.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | February 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I saw Gibbs make the comment and he was laughing.

Incidentally, although I am not a Nascar fan, it seems to me that whenever Tony Stewart does well, the Skins do well.

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't like winning??? Why do you think MJ came back to basketball for 3 more rings? Why do you think he quickly left the Wiz after he realized he wasn't going to do any winning there (sorry lisa) Why do you think Joe Torre owns racing horses??? Winning makes ya feel good. In middle school, I won a belching contest and to this day am still proud of it.

Thanks for coming through Cindy, Jason have a great week! Hope to hear from you bye and bye. *burp*

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dorf,

I don't know what you meant by the comment about MJ - he definitely was not going to win here because HE (MJ) did not have it anymore when he was playing....and then he was fired from his management position. I admit to being distraught about that at the time and saying I would never watch the Wiz again....until I read a book about Jordan's Wizards days (and the way he treated Pollin)and totally changed my tune.

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

What would be a Portis Throwback Jersey??? (From other Post)

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | February 11, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Also, did anyone else watch FCP last night. It had the old time Regs and was an a=instant classic, I lie to you not. It was George/Dupree/Wilbon/& TK. George told TK, 'you know you're idea is ripped from this show, don't ya??' and TK gave a little shrug/smirk. I forgot all the details of the show due to my 'short term memory', but again it was classic last night.........

Posted by: 4th Floor via Home Floor | February 11, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I remember One thing....

George was talking about the rumors of Garnett going to the Wizards. they started to talk a little, then he said that the rumors are being circulated on this thing called a BLOG. George then said, a blog is this thing where anyone can post comments. Then TK gets RILLED UP, and breaks down even further about BLOGS. George also added that if anyone can post anything on a blog and people around the world can read it, we (BLOGGERS) in essence have just as much power as Wilbon and TK and they are being diminished...

TK says, BLOGS are these sites where anyone can post whatever they want, True or Untrue. Then he said, "if you are hearing Gibbs is retiring next year and Bill Cowher is coming in to coach and the blogger post his name as 'Diesel Man', than you might want to skipp over that one"

Sorry Diesel, but hey - At least TK gave you a semi-Shout Out.....

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It's as much fun to kick around various topics with our ad hoc panel of armchair experts up here as it is to watch TK's very public struggle to make sense of the new Technology for opinion dispersal. Which is to say, both are really fun.

'Diesel Man' is an even funnier nickname than 'Diesel.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 11, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser also said that "bloggers are people who live in their parents basements." Very mean, Tony!

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - That was very funny and I was trying to figure out which one of us were living in our parents' basement and are living a total lie on this blog....

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, TK definitely was not referring to me - both my parents have passed away and we did not even have a basement when I was growing up.

I'm hoping he was referring to the NBA bloggers....I have visited the WashPo Wizards blog and it does seem like most everyone on there wants to trade all the players, fire the coach, and they act like they know how to "fix" everything....and this was when the Wiz were winning and in first place!

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Ohh. I see what you mean. Plus TK and everyone else has to trash the bloggers or they won't have a job in a few years or so since we are becoming 'Pros' at just spitting whateva off the top of our heads.....

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

No wonder this blog post is so stupid, it comes from a woman who probably doesn't know how many downs there are in football. And Cindy obviously did not watch Joe make these comments on Tv, making her blog even stupid lol

Posted by: BDR | February 11, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Listen based on some of what I know about my peeps here at RI ahem Diddy I'm guessing some parents basements may be really quite swank.

I always find it strange when journalist/pundits etc get all riled up about forums like blogs where the *gasp* masses get to pontificate and put forth their views. Umm ain't that what a pluralistic democratic republic is all about?
Also it is quite clear to me that most of the core bloggers here are at least as smart if not smarter than 99% of the pundits. This isn't a poke at TK whom I love and think is great but at all the other blowhards.

Posted by: sflancer | February 11, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

We used to refer to Riggins as the Diesel and Diesel Man while he was playing. Are you and TK sure it isn't him that is posting about Gibbs/Cowher?

Posted by: Sam | February 11, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

BDR, I'm sure Cindy knows more about football than you do....and why are you posting here if you think it is stupid....that makes you....stupid, right?

You must be a miserable Cowboys fan that lives in his parents basement.

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

BDR = Idiot

Posted by: Sam | February 11, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we got a 'Living out a my Mommas Basement' Blogger....

Bob Dumb-A** Richards (BDR for short) eat your food and go back downstairs to watching the Cartoon Channel so me and Moms can have some privecy.

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Sam - TK himself believes that Cowher is coming to the Redskins next year, but with a GM.

Diesel from our blog I believe choose this name because of El Riggo, but I am quite sure it isn't him. I believe Riggo would not care for the Redskins of now if they wasn't paying him. But hay, I'm just a blogger, so what do I know?

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm in my Mommy's guest room. Does that count?

Posted by: SMACK in the MIA | February 11, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Hi there, fellow bloglodytes! Just dropped in for a minute to say hello.

I don't really follow NBA basketball, but what happened to Agent Zero and the Wizards today? They didn't look like they could have beaten Duke.

Does anyone know this new basement blogger clown who appeared today? BDR, I am pretty sure that Cindy has forgotten more about football than you will ever know. You may want to remember that the next time you are tempted to type anything up here. In any case, JM220 will be along later to lay the hammer to you, Pal. And that will probably be right after Cindy lays you out with a smack to the back of your head with her trusty sidekick, the official NFL Statistics book.

By the way, it's nice to hear you enjoyed your Popeye's and Pinot evening, Cindy. I hope they cured what was ailing you. If not, here's a link to a decent offering for consideration on your next outing:

http://www.winebyjoe.com/

Have a great rest of the afternoon (Peeplogger #1) and evening!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 11, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

P.S. I saw part of the Gibbs NASCAR presser late last night. Gibbs seemed really happy, and was laughing/giggling in that bizarre way he does sometimes. It was a little strange, and may be cause for some worry in Redskins Land (if you are one of those who don't want to see him leave here).

Possible worst case scenario: Gibbs decides to leave without notice; Grilliams gets promoted to HC/CEO for 2007 and someone who is super smart gets to run the defense instead. Grilliams gets fired after 1 year, making room for Cowher or Grimm in 2008.

Sometimes you just have to look a little harder to find the silver lining. : )

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 11, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I saw the presser as well and Gibbs was joking about the Skins having a lousy season in that funny way of his. I see now why the Reaper does not talk to the press....one can't say anything without it being twisted in another direction.

Gibbs is NOT leaving the team. Why do I believe this so emphatically? Because he is not Parcells or Saban. He is loyal and would not leave Snyder hanging like this. He may leave after this season but whenever he does he will give Snyder plenty of notice.

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Grimm.

Smack - You are given a pas son this one....

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho I would give him the hammer. But he is not worth the time. Haven't you guys notice stupid clowns like that don't even get a response from me? It's just Boofer using another name to try and get some love. After JLC gave us the info on this loser (as we all knew he was) there is no need to waste energy on him.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Grimms HC record with Buffalo is as follows
2001 3-13
2002 8-8
2003 6-10
2004 fired
Grimms D stats with redskins is as follows
2004 3rd in the NFL
2005 9th in the NFL
2006 31st in the NFL
Grimms has a clause in his contract that says he takes over(only way to keep him here) when Gibbs retires.CANT SPIN THIS!!

Posted by: stat of the week | February 11, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

stat of the week that contract also states that if he doesn't become the head coach Dan has to pay him 1 mil. I say pay him the mil, smack him in the back of his damn head, and kick him out the door.

Pulling out the hammer. BDR double smack to the back of your damn head. Show some class you clown. No one here here wants to read your childish comments. Another double smack to the back of your damn head.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the only way St. Joe leaves early is if his health dictates it. Otherwise, he bleeds burgundy and gold and will see his contract through. And "Mr." Snyder would never, ever, ever, ever tell his boyhood idol to take a hike. St. Joe has been a great coach, and probably still is. The playoff run from 2 seasons ago should let you know everything you need to know about his ability to motivate players of this era.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 11, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

BDR? Seriously, what's your problem? Act like an adult.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 11, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

jm220, are you sure its boofer(everyone who busts is going to be boofer)and what did JLC say & how does he know boofer?

Posted by: Cliff | February 11, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

That Boofer is a loser. (OK I said that and not JLC)

Boofer sent him an e mail telling him how he likes pushing people's buttons. He does it with his family all the time. And if JLC wants him to help push the daily number of posts he was more than willing to help. Oh yeah and he is from the DC area.

BDR post and a couple of other post just makes me think it is him. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

jm220, so boofer has become this urban legend on this blog and even when hes not here everybody thinks he is.I hate to tell you this jm220 but it sounds like he pushed your buttons quite well(hes in your head)and that could get us through the boring months.BOOFER LIVES!lol

Posted by: cliff | February 11, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to disappoint you Cliff. He is no where close to being in my head my friend. Just think of Boofer patterns and BDR post. The patterns are the same.

As I stated to my man Ocho-Ocho. I don't even respond to those silly post after getting the info from JLC. But BDR post about Cyn Cyty went over the line.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

5 TCCLs to MD over the Dukies....

1 TCCL for Arenas

0 TCCLs for Ethan Thomas

Posted by: 4th | February 11, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

>>> "5 TCCLs to MD over the Dukies"

Make that 5 billion. Great win for the turtles.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 11, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't know jm... boofer pushed buttons but it was always sort of clean and childish and for the most part we had fun with him. BDR was over the line big time and cindy needs to limit free speech up here on that comment.

Not trying to jinx anything, but this storm is starting to sound like 1996 all over again! I say this with confidence because yesterday an old lady called the Dept. of Transit in Hburg while I was dispatching and said she wanted to cancel her para-transit pick up because her hip was telling her we're getting a lot of snow.

The ol' Hip never lies. I believe!!!

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

But BDR post about Cyn Cyty went over the line.
Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2007 08:21 PM

Absolutely, but does doing anything other than ignoring it serve only to bring him back? As Chris Larry once said, never argue with a fool -- they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
That Chris Larry -- an undiscovered gem of eastern thought and original commentary. Only on RI...

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 11, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Clpad,

While I agree with you (and Chris Larry) about ignoring the idiots, sometimes they go over the line and it's simply impossible.

Posted by: Lisa | February 11, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, it is over the line, but there are only two possible solutions -- have Cyn Cyty monitor all entries (which will kill what's fun about this setup -- the interactivity -- and does it look like Cindy has a lot of extra time?) or shut the whole thing down.
It's just like the guy that was "funny" yesterday asking for a kielbasa -- ignore him, and maybe he'll go away. Even if he doesn't, if you ignore him long enough, he will.
I check on the blog far too often for my own good, mainly so I don't miss the odd chance to catch Nate lurching in with some brew in the belly and a ready stream of consciousness. It's well worth the odd idiot post...

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 11, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

*while i stitch my gutts back in*

My Five Guys Review:

Atmosphere: 50's look (no, not as nearly as creepy as all of 70's poconos).

Things to rember:
A. TAKE CASH!!!!!! cuz they don't take plastic.
3. They only have beef and potatoe products.
D. Only order ONE order of fries for every 3 people eating.
2. If you're taking out please rember to ask to triple bag it cuz the oil from the fries will ruin your nice seats.

What I had: had a regular burger which includes two patties (but they were thin enough for you to not really notice them). with mayo, ketchup, mustard, FRIED ONIONS, JALAPENOs, green shtuff, tomatoes. and fries.

It was good. Though I can't imagine ever eating it without those ingredients specifically the jalapenos. It's kinda like amWendy's burger. And of course King of All Burgers In-N-Out still stands alone by itself. But it did satisfy my cravings for a burger.

And of course i had this after my terps put a serious beatdown on Duke! woooooohooooo!!!!!! go terps! AND U AND U AND U AND U!

haven't caught up with anything...and have to get up early 5...so better go...see ya.

and ohhhhh we gonna get like 10 feet of snow in dc!!!!!! on tuesday! so better keep an eye on the snow cam in cindy's backyard! peace my loves!

Posted by: dealer | February 11, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

ohh i forgot one more thing about my terps!

mr. Vasquez, i'm a fan!

LH, bring on your tars!

Posted by: dealer | February 11, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Joe is leaving now. They are still working their way up. A couple more pieces snap in place (management and players) and they are a championship team. You just have to believe that Joe can see and implement those pieces. If he does than I would love to pass the torch to Grilliams. The whole team has made mistakes, but if they can overcome and win than you know they have learned from them. Grilliams is brilliant, and I love his disciplinarian/old school style. Knock his ego down with 4-5 years of Gibbs and you could have a great HC. And talk about structure and continuity. That is what dynsasties are built of. I love this plan, Im sticking to it. Trust In Joe!

Posted by: monkalicious | February 11, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

That contingency in Grilliams' contract -- the million bucks if he's not the next Lancers' HC -- was added when Snyder boosted his package to keep him from seriously considering other HC offers because Gibbs really wanted to keep him around.

And as happens sometimes when dudes who get paid and assured of outcomes, Grilliams went out and had an awful season by any measure (not that it's cause and effect, but that's what happened).

Like some of you, I believe Gibbs stays through the end of this contract barring problems with his own health. So two more seasons, which is an eternity in the NFL.

There is no way to predict what will happen when Gibbs leaves the team. It's all guesswork. The Grilliams poison pill will be of no consequence when the time comes to fill our HC vacancy. A couple of BIG variables are whether team president Gibbs will want to stick around in some capacity other than HC, AND if he'll want to name his successor, but again I don't know how to predict either of those based on what we know now.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 11, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

OK catcch up post...

Cload thanks for the shout out....you can't censor so just ignore...see my post on Dallas fans a few threads back for description of Dallas fans...speaking of I love that Boofer is DC area guys who torments his family...That is TEXT BOOK dallas fan material right there...

That said I do NOT think BDR is boofer...doesnt have the same "voice"

TK bashing bloggers, I love TK but thats just plain ignorant...sounds like Andy Rooney bitter old gut babble...

If P. Diddy lives in parents basement than I live in the Bat Cave....

Monkaliscious are you insane...I agree about Gibbs, but Grilliams and his "old school styly"....gag me!

Posted by: chris Larry aka wise one.... | February 12, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah and...

Gibbs aint goin nowhere...

and...

F BDR!

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

a lot of chatter in the 8th grade hallway this morning about Taylor's hit on the kicker... any chance theres a video link somewhere? Not that it'll matter, stinking middle school filter wouldn't let me watch it anyway... at least it hasn't blocked the blog.

I had a scare one day with the filter block, but alas, I am still able to abide during school hours.

Posted by: Dorf | February 12, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

2. If you're taking out please rember to ask to triple bag it cuz the oil from the fries will ruin your nice seats.
Posted by: dealer | February 11, 2007 10:35 PM

I didn't think that 5Guys used Olestra?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

What...no talk about about the Reaper's hits in the pro-bowl? He destroyed the punter on a fake punt...and made a lot of tackles.

Posted by: Hit Man | February 12, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

we talked about the Reaper in the Pro Bowl 2 days ago. where were you?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I think some of my teeth rattled out just watching this clip... YIKES!

I give Moorman A LOT of credit. He ran back onto the field to find Swoop and gave him a pat on the helmet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0fdmELJgsuI

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | February 12, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

4th, a Portis throwback is a Portis jersey done in the old style: dark maroon, w/ spears. I don't think the skins have played in them since the Spurrier days but you'd probably remember them by the helmets w/ the spears on 'em.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Just catching up on earlier the posts about TK and 'Diesel Man'... pretty funny, but I doubt Tony reads this blog and concentrates on anything I post. Plus, I NEVER posted anything about Cowher coming to the Skins. (I live in Raleigh and personally believe he will be coaching the Panthers in 2 years)
Anyway, I use the name 'Diesel' as a tribute to my fav skins of all time, John Riggins. Every now and then, I go with the name '70 chip' (the play Riggo ran on 4th down to win the Superbowl against the Dolphins).
Maybe TK was joking that the REAL John Riggins spends time blogging here and making predictions.

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Monkaliscious are you insane...I agree about Gibbs, but Grilliams and his "old school styly"....gag me!"
Posted by: chris Larry aka wise one.... | February 12, 2007 01:05 AM

Would you rather a coach that gets run over like Norv Turner. Biggest difference between Gibbs 1 and Gibbs 2 is that Gibbs 2 is softer, and it shows in the team's play. Nothing wrong with kicking chairs.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 12, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I heard a rumor that TK was leaving MNF, getting a sex change, and joining The View. And during football season he will be the head cheerleader for the Redskins.
(couldn't resist posting something ridiculous under this name, just in case TK really reads this blog looking for posts from 'Diesel Man')
--Diesel

Posted by: Diesel Man | February 12, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

No way TK reads this -- the signal to noise ratio is too low. But I can believe that when TK and Cyn were chatting during the playoff/superbowl blogging adventure, that she mentioned the name 'Diesel' to him, and he recalled that...
Blog law says that this moment of fame cannot be deducted from your fifteen minutes.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Cload and daggar... good to know any attention from the blog does not count against my 15 mins of fame. In high school I was interviewed by the local TV3 news team during football season... that was maybe 3 minutes long, so I still have 12 mins left at this point. What if TK wants to spend '5 Good Minutes' with me on PTI? Would that count?

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, national TV does count. Unless, under subclause F of paragraph 3 of Section 2, he's asking you what you would do with the #6 pick. That type of discussion is deemed to be 'valueless', and is not deducted.
Unless of course you preface your comments with "long time/first time", and ask how he's doing. Then the minutes are deducted from your overall lifespan.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for clarifying, Cload. I agree with and accept you terms.

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

All

The difference between Gibbs I and Gibbs II is Playa's. Gibbs I had lots them, there were ones that had talent, and they were over acheivers.Gibbs II almost no talent on (defense) and lots of under acheivers.The coaches are fine they all have track records of success. This is a QB led league, if have one, you have a chance to build something.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I dunno if this got covered in yesterday's LONG thread, but Cyn Cyty was on the money about the Pro Bowl and our very own Reaper last Friday. This is from ESPN.COM:

>>>>>>>>

Defensive players typically don't deliver their hardest hits in Hawaii, and Brees -- who throws right-handed -- didn't appear to get hit particularly hard while throwing a fourth-down incompletion on the NFC's second offensive series.

Washington safety Sean Taylor ignored those rules of decorum in the third quarter when he hit Buffalo's Brian Moorman hard enough to knock the punter's legs at least 2 feet off the ground. But Moorman, who had been attempting a fake run, popped up and ran onto the field to say hello to Taylor.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

LH, bring on your tars!

Posted by: dealer | February 11, 2007 10:38 PM


dealer I know you're happy about yesterday's win but don't get beside yourself. That wasn't exactly Laettner, Hill and Hurley the twerps beat yesterday. The twerps don't want to see the Tar Heels, not even at home. Let 'em the three games between now and February 25 then we'll talk.

Posted by: LH | February 12, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I hope we've moved past the unusual ugliness which marred the blog the past few days.

Now returning to our regularly scheduled, low-grade, tongue-in-cheek ugliness.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

That hit was nice. But our boy better start playing up to the hype or he will end up being Lavar. A guy teams game plan to fool, instead of a guy teams game plan to avoid.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Taylor's best years are ahead of him. He needs that confidence back, which I think comes in the form of trusting his teammates and trusting the scheme. Assuming we make some improvements in both areas, like the Terminator, he'll be back.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

chris larry are you going to tell cload that your "never argue with a fool" one liner was not exactly "an undiscovered gem of eastern thought and original commentary." You thanked him for the shout out but didn't own up to repeating an oft quoted phrase.

Posted by: Snarkey's Machine | February 12, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch America's Game last night on the network. Fans voted the top twenty all time superbowl teams, 85 Bears were numerio uno. Best single season team I ever saw, that show really captured the ferocity in which that team got after it. I can honestly say that team was and is the only NFL team I ever saw other teams afraid to play. I mean you could tell very early in lots of their games the other team wanted no part of them. The program reminded me of their offical comming out party week 11 national TV against Dallas in Dallas good (team at the time). I remember watching that game and thinking I may actually watch some killed in a Football Game. From the moment the game started until it was over 44-0, you knew you were watching something the league had not seen before.It wasn't just the sacks I think they had 8 that day, it was total mayhem and fear they created in the opponent and the stadium (Dallas fans were probbally thinking like me, someone may die out here today).

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

They showed the hit I talked about the other day. The one when Wilbur Marshall laid out Lion's QB Joe Fergusson, He was out in mid air taken off the field on strecher, didn't move or twitch, thought he was dead. Ditka on the show when speaking about that 85 defense said he was at times awestruck just like a fan, and started naming guys Dent, singeltary, Otis Wilson, then he says Marshall shakes head "scary".

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Chronic prostate irritation, or prostatitis, can result in pelvic discomfort as well as problems with urinating frequency and urgency. Doctors often recommend routine sexual activity to men with prostatitis because ejaculations help flush the prostate clean. The gland's function is to contribute to the production of seminal fluid, and regular evacuations represent a pleasurable bit of self-care.

Posted by: loco mullin | February 12, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

old school, one thing gibbs II has that gibbs I did not is the ability to pick playas with NFL experience(FAs) and an owner to pay them like kings!so not having playas is a terrible excuse.

hitman,you left out the TD the reaper got burned on(whats new)!Cowher coming to DC would be the worst thing because he is a 3-4 coach and that would set this team back yrs!(more then it already is)!

Posted by: TK | February 12, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

thanks loco, I'll get that checked out right away

Posted by: Dorf | February 12, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Snarky's Machine....um wow thanks for calling me on the carpet on that one...nice "gotcha"...

Give me a break moron!!!!

Look I am usually the target of much ire on here...i like to call it the "F Bomb Hater Karma Boomarang affect"....So I basked in my glory for TWO SECONDS...I think with tongue firmly planted in (Azz) cheek...

Nice 70's Burt Reynolds cop flick reference though in your name...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Snarkey -- Chris Larry is who we think he was.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Did the signal-to-noise ratio here just have a big spike upward, or do we now have a Tony Kornheiser (TK) imitator here?

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Cload,

Thats quite Koan.....

Can you explain your take....

Whats the sound of one chris larry clapping...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Is that like: what is the sound of one jm220 smacking?

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

In any case, real or imaginary TK, Gibbs 1 was able to get good talent in the 80s, due to :1) the lack of salary cap; 2) Mr. Cooke's willingness to open his checkbook as necessary; 3) B. Beathard's outstanding work in identifying talent in early FA ventures, such as the demise of the USFL/WFL.

Because the UFA system did not yet exist, good talent could be retained at will; i.e. you didn't lose good players after they developed to unrestricted free agency. With Beathard's initial selection prowess, the Gibbs 1 Redskins were a very talented group.

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Give me a break moron!!!!"

Touchy. Touchy. Me thinks he doth protest too much. You must admit that you basked in that glory for more than two seconds. But you have somewhat admitted to taking credit for work that wasn't yours. This whole episode could have been avoided if you'd just said, "Thanks but I didn't make that up." Let this be a lesson.
Now hit me with an F bomb. Or ignore me and I shan't return.

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What i the sound of one Nate Drinking

What is the sound of one Sallie Mae *hugging*

What is the sound of one P. Diddy drinking

What is the sound of one Lisa watching NFL network 24/7

What is the sound of old school reading past press guides

What is the the sound of one Boofer hitting caps lock

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

My take on why the real TK doesn't post here is simple: he hasn't yet figured out how to hook his typewriter up to the Internet.

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks Snarkster is humerless....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

humerless or Hummerless?

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Whats the sound of one chris larry clapping...

That's easy -- it's
F + [sound of any other person's one hand clapping]

Whats the sound of one Nate drinking...
Urp. That's a thin bowl of soup, Hank.
[two minutes later]
Sorry about that, Hank. I love you, man!
Feelings, whoa, whoa, whoa, feelings ...

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

F this

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

*hiccup*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please respond to TW. He's been talking to himself here for the past 1/2 hour or so. Or are you guys applying the "never argue with a fool" adage?

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

That was just a practice hiccup. Actually quite sober this morning.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

What is the sound of one Sallie Mae *hugging*

OK,OK

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

What does TW stand for, TW?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Now hit me with an F bomb. Or ignore me and I shan't return.

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 11:58 AM

metahumor is always a sign of intelligence, Snarkey.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Slow day, eh?

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

TW are my first two initials, as in "Thomas" and "Warren". My co-workers call me TW.

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

KITTANNING, Pa. (AP) -- A woman pleaded guilty Monday to trying
to cut a fetus from her neighbor's womb.
Peggy Jo Conner, 39, of Manor Township, pleaded guilty to
attempted homicide, aggravated assault and kidnapping in the attack
on Valerie Oskin, which authorities said was a plot to steal
Oskin's baby and keep it as her own.
The plea came as Conner's trial was scheduled to begin Monday in
Armstrong County.
Authorities accused Conner of attacking Oskin on Oct. 13, 2005,
inside her home with a baseball bat, and then driving Oskin to a
remote location, where she used a razor knife to cut open Oskin's
abdomen in an effort to remove her unborn baby.
Oskin and the baby survived after a boy on an all-terrain
vehicle spotted the women in a clearing and told his father, who
summoned police to the scene.
The baby was delivered by emergency Caesarean section and was
put up for adoption, which had been Oskin's intention even before
she was attacked.
Conner initially had been charged with two counts of attempted
homicide, but prosecutors withdrew the charge that alleged Conner
intended to kill the unborn baby.

Posted by: not loco | February 12, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It's a slow day while we wait for a big announcement from Redskins Park. Of course, we might be waiting for several more weeks.

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: not loco | February 12, 2007 12:19 PM

No, you're 4th

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

TW's bringing it strong to the mike -- err, blog -- but I have no additional insight into Gibbs I's success. The only thing that comes to mind is that Gibbs I did it without a marquee QB, and I don't think you can get away with that anymore. It made sense to hedge your bets when the QB was a normal player and could be touched by the other team. Now, a reasonably good QB can be expected to start the whole season.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

So TW, give us a topic. You have the conch.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

As alluded to by dealer a couple of days ago.

Eagles Coach Reid to Take Leave

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021200533.html

If his LOA only runs until mid March, this isn't a major issue. However, ignoring family/personal issues involved, I'd be very surprised if all of the legal issues of both of son's sons cases would have ended by mid-March, so I'm somewhat concerned that the LOA could stretch out for longer than the initial announcement.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | February 12, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I think what we'd all like to see is a little more of 'old school Joe' from training camp forward. A little more bark, a little more bite. Feeling like he is not just 'managing' but in control of the team, especially the offense.

Just hoping we've seen the last midseason awakenings, 'returns to Redskin football', renewed commitment to the running game, etc. I want to see Gibbs football from the first snap of the first doggone game.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate- zipping through the morning radio shows in DC this am...one of them spent a good 10 minutes discussing the pronounciation of "Oregon". I say they were incorrect...kept calling it "Or-a-GONE". I'm going with "Or-a-gin". (No Nate, not like the drink gin, but with a hard sounding "g") lol
Exciting stuff, huh?

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Nothing good about the Reid family situation, but even with that AND their QB situation I'd wager the Iggles are the most stable team in the division.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

a lot of good it did me

Posted by: Piggy | February 12, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Possible topics:

Has the Wizards' recent implosion doomed them for the season?

Best possible uses for Redskins who are dead money but can't be cut. (For example, B Lloyd becomes Sean Taylor's personal tackling dummy.)

In the later rounds, should the Redskins pick by need or for best available player?

Maybe one of those will be fun for awhile. I have to get back to work, so I will try to catch up on them later.

Posted by: TW | February 12, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope so Nate...it was a relief to hear the inside info that Gibbs IS actually very involved in the offense that one of ours got from Troy Vincent over Super Bowl weekend...who was that again?

JLa got himself scooped chillin with Andy Rooney and bodypaint girls

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Slow goings today... so maybe a little Cowboy hating will stir thing up a bit:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2758663

Thoughts on Phillips? To me, he seems like the defensive version of Norv Turner. Great coordinator, bad head coach. He was the coach in Buffalo that benched Fluite in favor of Rob Johnson, right? Who'd that work out?

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Diesel- I am your father. Join me and we'll rule the galaxy together.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I use the pronunciation "OR-uh-gun". Yes, it is fascinating stuff, this.

Almost on par with scintillating Missouree/Missouruh and Ne-va-da/Ne-VAH-duh debates.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Hayes, you totally lost me on the SB weekend reference. Sorry, slow this morning. And distracted by work.

Piggy, nice pick-up back there.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dead Money possibilities:

Mark Brunell: Feeding the ducks at the Reflection Pool. Doesn't matter if the bread makes it into the pool or falls a foot from him, the ducks won't complain.
Archubungis: in charge of bringing Jason Sehorn out of retirement to play CB...
BLloyd: replaces the funky four

Posted by: Dorf | February 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Nate, it reminded me why I hardly ever listen to morning shows anymore. *Sigh* 5 months 'til training camp.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh and up here in the mountains, we call our beloved commonwealth "Vir-gin-eee"

Posted by: Dorf | February 12, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for the "Old School Joe" right from the git go.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Someone mention my name? My ears are burning. *HUGS* to all my lovelies!

My neighbors are mad at me today. I like to feed the ducks and birds at my home. Last week a seagull showed up. I fed it too. Now I'll be damned if I don't have 500 seagulls - all perched on the neighborhood rooftops - and crapping everywhere. Seegull crap on the cars, sidewalks, HOUSES, patios, streets, ... can't walk anywhere without seagull crap getting on your shoes.

My neighbors are pissed at me.

Should I promise to powerwash everyone's homes and driveways?

I need a hug.

Posted by: SallieMae | February 12, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

B Loyd signs to Ron Artest's rap label, records remix of Hail to Redskins that can be used as excuse for Snyder to fire band....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I could've sworn someone had a buddy who was down there and talked to Vincent who told him that Gibbs is very involved in the offense...but very easily could have been in a delusional state... dreaming of burgundy and gold rainbows and Russ Grimm minataurs trampling Michael Irvin during HOF induction...

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Or Merralind as opposed to Mary-Land.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Oh - and check this out. I'm a volunteer on our community board of directors - an at-large member with no real title except I hold a vote - 1 in 5 - for the entire community.

So I gits a call Saturday during the pro bowl game - apparently a bullmastif attacked a navy special forces commander - and the dog got the worst end of the deal - a broken jaw when Mr. Green Beret kicked it in it;s head. Mr navy COmmander is suing the dog owner for the third incident - and Mr. Dog owner is suing the man for doggie assualt charges.

What's a girl gonna do? Let the big bad men fight it out?

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | February 12, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

dealer - a special hug for you - great game for you huh?

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | February 12, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Is it true seagull crap can damage shingles on a roof?

Something about rain mixing with the poop creating some from of acidic glob?

*frowns*

Posted by: SallieMae | February 12, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: not loco | February 12, 2007 12:19 PM

No, you're 4th

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 12:22 PM

Wrong Answer

Posted by: 4th Floor aka 4th | February 12, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Salliemae is on a roll .....

Let her Be Number One.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae,

Just deed your home over to the Nature Conservancy. Them move out in the middle of the night.

Or call Mark Brunell. He can feed your birds and clean up after them.

Posted by: Jack H. | February 12, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae, we always have tons of *hugs* for you, kiddo.

The dog owner is in the wrong if this is 'third incident.' I'm a dog lover, and it's the owner's responsibility to keep that bull mastiff under wraps, especially if it has a history. The Green Beret defending himself is not the issue. No reason for you to be involved in this at all unless you absolutely have to. I don't envy you that community board position, so many petty grievances and things.

You're on your own as far as seagull poop.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Jeff HAyes - That was me.

I was saying that he and Andy Polly was on the same plane back to DC from Miami. They got to talking and Vincent says Gibbs is very Hands On on the offense from what he observed. He also said the both Assistan HCs report directly to him.

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, your awesome 'dead salary' post reminded me of a funny quote from Olie the Goalie about an offensively challenged Cap who got a goal. Olie's joke was that the dude's shot is known to be very weak so the opposing goalie wasn't expecting it. The euphemism employed about his notoriously weak shot -- and hopefully the Brunell tie-in makes sense now -- was 'throwing muffins.' I guess if puck=biscuit, weak shot=throwing muffins.

So yeah, Brunell throws muffins. On the field, they gently float towards the bench or skip on the turf. Off the field, they delight waterfowl.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The Troy Vincent 'interview' was that Andy Pollin of WTEM shared a flight -- down to Miami? or somewhere else? -- and sat right behind him, so they killed some time on the plane.
Shockingly, he wouldn't name Deep Cover.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I sense a monkaliscious post about all the touchy feely stuff...haha

But sallie that sounds like quite SIHT storm good luck...maybe the Bull Mastif can be unleased on the Seagulls...

Sounds like its time for a trip to the ocean for some surfin for Ms. Mae...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Hayes,
I'll gladly join the Dark Side if it brings another SuperBowl trophy home to DC

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Now I remember, thanks 4th and Hayes. Still, I hope Gibbs is very much in control and putting his stamp on this offense from the start this year.

No new glamour players to integrate, no new coordinator to play nicely with, and Soupy established at the helm. That sounds good to me going into training camp.

Oh yes, there is the matter of re-signing that fellow Dockery.

Old School, there's always something cooking at Old Joe's Place. (If anybody gets that "A Mighty Wind" reference, bless you.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Me and my skins buddies have already embraced the "Evil Empire" approach to the skins b/c of snyder and the now universal hatred of this once well respected franchise...

Gibbs first year back he wore all black...it cementedit for us..

Embrace the darkness....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"The Vikings still are banking on Tarvaris Jackson becoming their starting quarterback next season. But a little birdie says that if Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn is available at No. 7, chances are better than not that he'll either be chosen by the Vikings or the pick will be traded lower to a team that covets Quinn more than Minnesota. Quinn's draft status, for Minnesota, is still to be determined by workouts and extensive film study. But the Vikings will have an entourage of scouts at Notre Dame for his personal workout on March 4."

So, we rell the Vikings we are trading our pick to someone else so they can get Brady, and we will make them surrender their #7 this year, a 1st next year and this year's 3rd Rounder. Whaddaya think?

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, would the Vikes trade that much when they know we're not drafting a QB at #6? In your scenario would they trade up to avoid someone else from trading up to our spot? Hmm... sounds like we won't know that one until draft day. But I like where your head's at.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Then the Vikings will take too long to make their pick at #6 and their time will run out, and the Skins will jump up and use #7 to take Quinn anyway, and then trade him back to the Vikings for another pick or two.

Posted by: The Mole | February 12, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the Redskins can send a little 'birdie' over to the Vikes and tell them about a potential trade the Redskins may get involved in which may entice the Vikes, who are more desparate than us to switch spots in the draft........

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Mole, nicely done.

Didn't the Vikes screw up their first rounder two years in a row? That's the good stuff. Nothing to fire up your tortured fan base on draft day like screwing that up.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

...drinking the blood of a youngling right now out of Lombardi chalase...hail skins

I vote 4th for GM

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Where's MV Dame with the count and amount? We need something to shoot for. Nothing like a trivial milestone to get us fired up.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

...trivial milestones along the way as we continue our exhaustive, in-depth analysis which will Fix the Franchise, of course.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

In our attempts to fix the franchise, have we ever pinpointed an exact moment when it broke? Something like trading up to draft Desmond Howard in '92, or Gibbs leaving in '93, or drafting Shuler in '94, or Westbrook in '95 or....wait, I think I answered my own question.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

-----Re:

What would be a Portis Throwback Jersey??? (From other Post)

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | February 11, 2007 04:23 PM ----- I think that would be the 70th Aniv, Burgundy and Gold jersey with Portis as the name and no. No, Clinton has never been in this uniform, but they still sell these, I have one of Cooley. Personally I would rather the skins go with this as their normal home jersey rather than the all whites or even our normal red's.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

...and Jersey Bob will hook you up at about 1/3 of the cost...and unlike Danny Boy, the man has bills to pay.

Posted by: Jef Hayes | February 12, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking more of the lines of Portis' High School Jersey as a Portis 'Throwback'.

So, technically, it is a throwback Redskins' Jersey with Portis' #.......

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they're going to wear the throwbacks again this season since it's the franchise's 75th anniversary. They were originally unveiled for the 70th season.

In other words, maybe Jersey Bob is 'intecepting' jerseys bound for the Skins store for sale in anticipation of this season. But I don't know anything about any of this, just making conversation, as usual.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree with anonymous above, of course, that when our boys take the field, my preference is for them to be wearing the white jersey and burgundy pants.

I believe I mentioned this in about 40 consecutive posts during the season when the white jersey/white pants combo drove me to distraction.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Def Jump the Shark moment:

drafting Shuler in '94

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Throwback? Isn't that something you do do with a shot of Jamesons?

What was wrong with Samuels that he flew out for the vacation by didn't play? Did he get injured during practice? Pull a hamstring? or maybe a fast one?

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The fall began once Bethard left. Gibbs began to have a say in personnel and the team started to make bad decisions. Gibbs, like Noah, Moses, Joseph and David before him, knew bad times were ahead and got the heck out of town. I guess we're now living the new testament Redskins style and Joe is John the Baptist rather than the true savior.

Posted by: LH | February 12, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for the Squire's passing as the turning point for the franchise.

Yeah, it sucked when Gibbs left and the FA era began; we had a tough time with that. But the long ugly fight about the Cooke estate, with the NFL letting us and Littlejohn Cooke dangle, and then the failed bid (Was it Milstein?), and then of course Snyder getting the team...

that ugly sequence really really hurt us. And we're still recovering from the Snyder hire, of course.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Not Snyder 'hire' but you know what I mean

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings did mess up their draft twice. The second time they did it intentionally when they drafted the DT Kevin Williams. The next 2-3 teams were not going to draft D-line so they figured they could sign him on the cheap at the #10 spot rather than #7. Funny as hell with teams sprinting up to the podium with their picks.

Posted by: cdubb | February 12, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

dcsween- Word is Samuels had food poisoning. I'm going with one too many mai tai's

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Jamesons...yum.....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I thought he was having Knee Surgery anyway??

That would make sense for him not to play.....

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

hey any of you geeks know where i can get a good deli sandwich?

Posted by: daveb55 | February 12, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Subway because they have a footlong, which I'm sure you are well practiced at inhaling.

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Cute Mr. Anonymous. Glad to see you have mastered cutting and pasting. Now show yourself. I know you're a regular. Face your fear.

Posted by: The Snarkster | February 12, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

A series of unfortunate events kind of back to back to .... We never found or settled on a QB and thus never truly had a foundation to build on.F uped high draft choices Westbrook , shuler, free agent blunders (Jeff George) Bad coaching hires Ball coach, You do this kind of stuff over and over again, here we, laughing stock Media punching bag.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Snarkster Strikes Back!

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

TW,to say you could buy the same kind of talent in the 80s as you can now in FAs is idiotic,the majority of those 80s team were built through the draft(beatherd) & trades.even casserly would be better than current MGT! in FAs most of the time you only have to show the money(no trades) unless you want to throw draft pics away!you also could stash multiple older players on IR and bring them in when you needed them.

Posted by: TK | February 12, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

T

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the lady and I are Beantown bound...Old School & Greg- should be up your way full time next month. CL and Bucktown, tip a 40 for me.

See, I come from Boston.
I'm gonna tell you about how I love New England.
It's my favorite place.
I've been all around the world, but I love New England best.
I might be prejudiced.
But it's true, I love New England best.

Well, now...

You know, ladies and gentlemen, I've already been to Paris, I already been to Rome
And what did I do but miss my home?
I have been out west to Californ'.
But I miss the land where I was born.
I can't help it.
Dum-de-dum-de-dum-dum-da-dum-day
Oh, New England.
Dum-de-dum-de-dum-dum-da-dum-day
Oh, New England.

I have seen old Israel's arid plain.
It's magnificent, but so's Maine.
Dum-de-dum-de-dum-dum-da-dum-day
Oh, New England.
Dum-de-dum-de-dum-dum-da-dum-day
Oh, New England.

Doddly-doodly-do-do-doo-do-do
Doddly-doodly-do-do-doo-do-do
Doddly-doodly-do-do-doo-do-do
Doddly-doodly-do-do-doo-do-do Dum-de-dum-de-dum-dum-da-dum-day
Oh, I love New England.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Do we have a TK vs TW blog war shaoing up? I hope!

Jeff Hayes....say it aint so!!!!!

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate

I think you are right on target. The protracted Estate issue combined with With the Danny and His Tazmania devil approach to ownership (fire all longterm employees, bring lackees and minions to do my bidding,since i can't fire the current coach i will give him an ultimatium chew him out within earshot of the players, him fire him when are 7-6 tell the interium coach to play Jeff George, hire Marty (ESPN FAV.) give him total control then fire him because he took total control,
that is the short version. Needless to say we have been a mess since the squire passed.The only sensible move Snyder has made has been to hire Gibbs. I am hopeful he can do what he said he would do put the franchise back to contention and respectibility.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, wow, wow, Hayes pulling the Jonathan Richman out of the vault! Nicely done, sir!

Congrats on the move. I hope this is a good thing.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I do LOVE the Jonathan Richman reference...JH are you sure you have to move, I have a feeling we would be friends! Oh well.....blog buddies it is....


Top 5 Snyder (football) misfires:

1. Jeff George
2. Keeping Norv, firing Casserly
3. Firing Marty
4. Back door clause in Lavars contract
5. Dioen Sanders

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's a potentially interesting question: the 49ers fell from grace in a very similar fashion to us, not identical but very close: legendary coach retires after leading team to lengthy period of greatness, team undergoes painful ownership tussle, team more or less fades from relevance and suffers salary cap hell. Why aren't the Niners a national media punching bag the way the Skins seem to be?

Is it the success of the Bill Walsh coaching tree and 'his' West Coast offense? Is it that Montana and Young as photogenic posterboys make their memories more vivid somehow than those (apparently) anonymous Skins who won 3 of 4 SBs in a decade? Is it the annoying Skins fans like us? What's the deal?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

My Top 5 Snyder Mistakes:
1. Having Vinny Cerrato as 'GM'
2. Firing Marty
3. Hiring Spurrier
4. Jeff George
5. Being a complete a$$ in general (this includes firing the long term employees, breaking stadium naming promise to Cook family, parking at FedEx, etc)

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The problems started before the Squire's unfortunate demise. There were three seasons between Gibbs' departure and JKC's death. The Skins stunk in all three. Gibbs had to have Desmond Howard. It was immediately apparent to all who saw him that he couldn't play WR. Gibbs then bails. Pettibone inherited a team with a bare cupboard courtesy of JJG. The Skins have been roaming the desert ever since.

Posted by: LH | February 12, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Nate, good question. I've often posted my frustration with the media bias AGAINST the Redskins... seems very un-balanced... we're talking Fox News un-balanced here.
I think Snyder has pissed off too many key members of the media. He must have done something politically incorrect to all of ESPN (especially Len P), Peter King, Dr Z, Jimmy the Greek, etc.
This negativity in the media against the 'skins is probably the only thing keeping Monk out of the HOF.

Posted by: Diesel | February 12, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

LH,

I disagree...not that those years werent hard, but that most teams ebb and flow especially after the run we had...I think if John Cooke had kept control he would have hired a football man to take over and right the ship...


The problem is snyder bringing in a certain culture and menatllity...and that has lead to the years of dispare...not the normal up down cycle of NFL franchises...

How did I forget hiring Spurrier in my list?!?!...Nice work Diesel/70 chip

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

LH, I see your point, but I think that's giving Beathard way too much credit. Sure, he gets a ton of credit, and I wish he'd stayed forever, but I don't think his leaving was the tipping point. I dunno, you make a really good argument.

But every team goes through ups and downs -- just like every team misses on draft picks, sometimes spectacularly -- and we had to expect a few down seasons after the great Gibbs left... but it seemed to me that we had no chance of arresting the post-Gibbs downswing and righting the ship because of the ownership fight, and we haven't had consistent success since then.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I saw snow.

Anyone else?

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Jeff? You're leaving us? That stinks, but those silly Pats fans can always use another Skins fan to talk some smack.

I actually tipped a OE800 before going out this past Saturday. In retrospect, I now dedicate it to you...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | February 12, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I believe Samuels did play in the Pro Bowl - even if it was only for a snap or two. I swear I saw him on the field early on.

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, that was snow 4th.
And the Beltway stinks.
And route 29 stinks.
And the b/w parkway is closed.
Mass hysteria rules the day.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcams/snowcam.htm

Pre-emptive snowcam posting.

Still gnome-free.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

So it's just a coincidence that JJG's player personnel decisions during his current run have been bad also?

Here are the picks after Bethard's departure:
'90 - Andre Collins and Mo Eliwonibi (Brian Mitchell only impact pick)
'91 Bobby Wilson & Ricky Ervins (no impact picks)
'92 D Howard & Shane Collins (no impact picks)
'93 Tom Carter & Reggie Brooks (no impact picks unless you want to count Wychek who did his best work elsewhere)

The Super Bowl winning core was aging and moving on and Gibbs and Casserly didn't add anything to keep the team improving. More than an ebb was ahead.

This site has all of the 'Skins' drafts. Feel free to find a single difference maker chosen by Gibbs & Casserly.
http://nflhistory.net/shared/draft1.asp?Team=20&Year=1993

Posted by: LH | February 12, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

LH, are you blaming Gibbs for everything that happened while he was away from the team? As I recall, he won a Super Bowl and then went back to the playoffs in the two seasons before his first retirement. Are you blaming him for what other people did with 'his' players after that?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

4th- I'm in Silver Spring. We see it too. I was being serious about the roads/hysteria out there. This town is nutso-cuckoo-bananas

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

By the way, there is a dude in my office whose last name is 'Learned' and I always want to say something to him about Learned Hand, but I don't want to blow my cover as a problem blogger.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Ervins helped us out that 1st year actually. I would call that impact.

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

LH, I'm also not trying to say that Gibbs has any talent in picking personnel. He should not even be allowed to set foot inside the grocery store.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Andre Collins was a decent LB for 4/5 years...and an instant starter!

We could use his type

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It's revisonist history to suggest that Beathard's departure was the Jump the Shark moment for the franchise.

I believe the '91 Team was assembled largely through Plan B Free Agency, which was Casserley's work. Regardless, the '91 and '92 teams were the last gasp of the Gibbs era. St. Joe had to realize that had he stayed in '93, with a salary cap and free agency imminent, he would have lost many of the guys he built the team with. My guess is that if St. Joe had stayed, the '93 year would have been a rebuilding year anyhow (not that there wasn't precedent for that in the Gibbs I era: 1988 and 1989 were also rebuilding years).

It doesn't surprise me that it took a false start coach (Petitbon) and a rookie coach (Turner) four years to rebuild a team assembled by and for St. Joe's pre-free agency and salary cap philosophy. The 1999 team began something special, but in my mind the true Jump the Shark moment came in that offseason when "Mr." Snyder decided to bet on Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, et al. I thought Turner had built momentum and that 1999 squad really was fun to watch.

Coaches, quarterbacks, kickers, and front office folks have come and gone. There is one constant from 1999 onward. Guess who that is. As I've said before, I like "Mr." Snyder. As a businessman and a marketing guy, he is quite impressive. I love eccentric people, from any profession. As an NFL owner, though? Not so much.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

For the 1 cent that it is worth, PFT is stating that the Giants have cut 3 players, Luke Petigout, Chad Morton, and the artist formerly known as Lavar. Take it with a grain of salt, and don't shoot the messenger.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | February 12, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Desmond Howard is a red herring. He was the Heisman Trophy winner, a true St. Joe character guy, and a college football icon. Passing on him would have been equally ridiculed. In retrospect, it was a bad draft pick. But at the time, it made total sense. Teams have bad draft picks all the time, and the 'Skins record with first rounders since Gibbs I is probably average in the League (I'm sure someone can quote stats here, but I'm too lazy today)...

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Thats why they pay P. Diddy the BIG bucks....well said, dead right and thorough...

Official Jump the Shark Moment: the Free agent class 99/2000...with snyder on the water skis

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

R U Serious? LaVar got cut?

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't LH the one that who was trying to give all the excuses in the world of why Beatherd gets a PASS on drafting Leaf???

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm just passing on information from profootballtalk.com, which is FAR from reputable. I can say that neither, CNNSI, ESPN, or NFL.com, have corroborating informatino.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | February 12, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

4th,

That was me on Beatherd/Leaf thing...but maybe Mr. Hand as well...

Whats the source on Lavar?? Can a brutha get a link up in here?

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg- good stuff. I think there would have to an injury settlement with the Eastern Motors star to cut him because of his achilles tear.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Nate, he made the playoffs with players selected by someone else. He didn't bring in anyone to whom those guys could pass the baton. Gibbs choices are his legacy so him leaving doesn't absolve him of their lack of talent under someone else. My point is this: Gibbs saw the writing on the wall and bailed. He came back thinking with Snyder's fantasy football ways that he could buy a championship. The problem has been that he has done a terrible job at picking talent and that's what wins ballgames. 1983 through 1992 is gone and never to return as long as Gibbs is here. That's just my humble opinion.

Posted by: LH | February 12, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

On Ryan Leaf: epic disaster in the NFL, no question about it. Hindsight is 20/20 though. Was there any indication during his college career that he would be a problem child in the pros? I'm asking, I don't know.

The kid could play. But he was a basket case. Just as with any profession, talent is only a modicum of what it takes to achieve success. Sure, you can't get to the top without talent. But you also can't get there without hard work, dedication, and the right attitude. Leaf failed on that second part, and failed spectacularly.

Same goes for Marinovich, though my memory is pretty fuzzy there...

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

But Beatherd traded up to the #2 spot and Picked the WORST PICK IN HIIIISTOOORY!?!?!?

Desmond Howard went on to become SB MVP..

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If the Jints cut him, it's time for LaVar's redemption song: coming back to the burgundy and gold, sign for us with an incentive-laden contract that only guarantees vet minimum.

I don't see any potential issues with that, no issues from Gibbs, Snyder, Grilliams or LaVar himself.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - 3 Days w/o Alcohol.........

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Nate, even at vet minimum, an outside linebacker with no cartilage left in his knee is not going to be in good shape to compete with Lemar (yes, Lemar) and RockyMac at the the weak side position. Something tells me the Skins will have a new guy in the middle (not named Lemar).

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

LH,

Casserly added many good players to the team in plan B FA agency.

Fred stokes Starter
Tim Johnson Starter
Eric Williams Starter
Danny Copeland Starter
Brad Edwards Starter
Martin Mayhew Starter
Jumpy Geathers (best inside Pass rusher inthe NFL)

Thats most of starting D of the domminant 91 Team.

He did a good job overall and we won a championship with players he largely drafted or aquired. But it was a team built to win now, older and expensive, left us probbally in the worst position in the league heading into the new era of free agency.

We are all right on the demise of this team, the fall began shortly after that 91 season. The big point is we a legendary coach and owner go within a short period and we made many, many bad management and personnel decisions in a row with very few if any positve moves over the same period to offset them. long and short, all negative no positive from 93 to begin Gibbs II.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate- I think I remember an interview with Lavar where he said the coach he'd most like to play for is Marty. When asked what coach he'd least like to play for, he said Joe Gibbs. Lavar will live in this area, but he ain't gonna play for the 'Skins

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

ROME IS BURNING is busting hard on sean taylor saying the hit was out of line and theres an unwritten rule that nobody tries to kill the other!!they said he doesnt get it and he never will!!

Posted by: breaking news | February 12, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"POSTED 3:47 p.m. EST; UPDATED 4:02 p.m. EST, February 12, 2007

GIANTS CHOP THREE

A league source tells us that the New York Giants have cut linebacker LaVar Arrington, offensive tackle Luke Petitgout, and running back Chad Morton.

Arrington gave up $4.4 million in earned but unpaid bonus money from the Redskins last year at this time for the ability to hit the free-agent market early. But his agents, the Postons, overpriced him, and he missed out on the early cash rush.

Arrington eventually signed a trumped-up seven-year, $49 million deal with the Giants, which was low on guarantees and high on incentives. A chronic knee problem marred the early stages of the season, and then he popped an Achilles' tendon and was lost for the year.

Petitgout, the team's starting left tackle at the start of 2006, fractured his leg on November 5 against the Bears and didn't return for the season. The Giants' first-round pick (19th overall) in 1999, Petitgout was under contract for the next two seasons, at salaries of $5 million per year.

Morton tore an ACL late in the season, the second such injury he has suffered in three years. He was signed through 2009, and was scheduled to earn a salary of $720,000 in 2007. "

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Desmond Howard went on to become SB MVP..

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 05:07 PM

As a kick returner not as a WR, the position St. Joe drafed him #4 to play.

And Diddy, Howard was all those things you said except he wasn't an NFL WR. He also had a terrible work ethic.

Posted by: LH | February 12, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

ROME IS BURNING on ESPN is busting hard on sean taylor saying the hit broke an unwritten law that you dont try to kill the other in the PRO BOWL! they said he doesnt get it and he never will!! it was his first one(because of injury) so geting excited about killing a kicker is understandable?

Posted by: breaking news | February 12, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Jim Rome is Moron Supreme! Who cares what that loudmouth says....

4th...To bust on Beathard is just ridiculous...one mistake...one most of the NFL would have made and as Diddy says it aint an exact science and sometimes you dont know how a guy is going to handle the Bigs until he gets a shot....AND he did right by the Chargers for a long time....Superbowl appearance, Bobby Ross, Seau, Stan Humpries, Natrone Means and all that with one of the worst cheapest owners in the league in a NON football town....also he was AMAZING for the skins...his career as GM 5 SB appearnces 2 wins...not that removed from skins 92 team...nuff said...

I would love to see Lavar return...but aint happenin

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I am going to sound like Lisa here....

But people stop bashing Gibbs and Beatherd......these people are Redskins LEGENDS...and there is a lot of revisionist history going on here....

I am not saying they are above reproach but c'mon pick your battles people....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Nate

Many 49er factors

Walsh "genius image" and league influence, coaches he mentored kept his name in the game after he retired

Back to back HOF QB's, Greatest football player of alltime (rice)kept them high profile nationally.

Winning two more Bowls after walsh. retired

Their run was a pretty continus streak from 1981 thru 1995/96 thats like 14 yrs they were right there.

They had maybe two of the greatest teams of all time 84 & 94?

I agree with most here that the skins don't get the credit they deserve for the Gibbs I run. There are many factors we have hashed over, the non descript 3 QB's low profile coach,etc etc. We may have had something to argue the "Disrespect card" had we beat the Raiders, that would have given us back to back. But we got humiliated, and losing the way we did is huge.

So we were the second best team of the decade and rightfully nobody really cares about the second best team except redskin fans.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Why I love the tubes of the internets ... see why ROME IS BURNING here (as well as, apparently, Tokyo)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r94rmkbFMyU

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Marty had this team turning in the right direction. That was a very hard first half of the season. He literally had to beat the Norv out of this team, and he did, and they won 8 straight, and the players respected him after that. There are a lot of jump the shark moments in the past 14 years, but that is definitely one of them. And of course the subsequent worst head coach hiring in NFL history. Spurrier was a joke.

"There is one constant from 1999 onward. Guess who that is."

No, not Snyder. He has made his mistakes, but he is a brilliant business man, and he has learned to step back and let the football guys do the football. The one negative constant here since 1999 is Vinny Cerrato. Bad management, decision after decision, and this guy is in every single decision. From George to Spurrier. It is time to see Cerrato go and major GM hire. Keep everything else constant.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 12, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

F chris Larry

Posted by: Web | February 12, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Re: Desmond Howard. Gibbs has always taken the blame for that one. He wanted Howard badly. After his very 1st practice with the team, Gibbs went to JKC and said something to the effect of: I blew it. He can't play WR in this league.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

welcome back web!!!!....man i missed u!

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I saw snow.

Anyone else?

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 04:29 PM

yea...it's all over the inside of my nose

Posted by: G-$$$ | February 12, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

chris Larry- I'm with you. Can't bash Beathard and Gibbs. They were the 'Skins of the 80s. But, eff you anyway

Posted by: 4-12 | February 12, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

anyone else want to eff me?

i didnt realize me effing people like parcells and ray lewis and cancer would bring so much hate my way from blogrades.....oh well...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The redskins.com website has started the "roster review" articles, which was one of the features I enjoyed this year. They talk about who's on the team, how they did, identify free agents and top draft picks, and let you vote. Today's article is about tight ends. Might make good discussion fodder for the RI blog.

On tight ends, I have two thoughts: (1) sign Cooley to a long term deal now and (2) sign Yoder again as the #2 so he can be the reliable Robert Royal-like goal-line target. OK another thought ... nothing Fauria did impressed me. OK another thought ... I did think Buck Ortega had an impressive preseason, should have kept him. Closing thought ... Skins are good at TE, so search undrafted free agency for Cooley version 2.0.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

F the eff. If you are going to F someone do it with an "F"

Posted by: monkalicious | February 12, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

F monkalicious.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

F chris Larry

Posted by: Pub Golf | February 12, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Lavar might be done. Can't think of anyone willing to pay up to get him or really anyplace he would really want to go. He wanted to stay in the NFC east to torment his former team twice a year that dream is now gone Marty is a lame duck in Deigo, maybe there ?

More hype than substance. Still best know for the Lavar Leap in college than anything he did in the league.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Jim Rome is an assclown.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I have alwasy felt bad for Lavar and other great players that have wasted their career on the late 90 early 2000 Skins. Lavar probably being the biggest casualty. The team never settled around him. Different D coordinator every year. Different coaching situations constantly, different schemes. He never settled in. A big waste of what could have been a HOF player for the skins.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 12, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

I like option 1 sign your good young talent to extensions now.

We can do better than yoder. he can stay as 3rd te but we need a pass cathing option there in case cooley gets hurt, thats a position used heavily in the pass game.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

Now that I see you are on-line, if you want to talk about buying a bike. email me at charmerci at yahoo.

Posted by: charlie | February 12, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Guys, guys, I was being sarcastic about LaVar coming back to the Lancers. 0% chance of that ever happening. I loved the dude, but you have to describe his career as star-crossed.

monk.a.li.cious, we should be careful when we say so-and-so 'could have been a HOF player for the skins'. Clearly we idiot fans are incapable of making such distinctions.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

If I can't Bash Beatherd, Then you can't bashed Gibbs. End of Story.

Must I repeat. Must I repeat myself????

Betherd - Worst Pick in DRAFT HISTORY.

Gibbs - Worst Pick in his Draft History - MVP of Superbowl!!

No What!?!?!

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

dont forget the shroeder for lachey trade that was huge!!

Posted by: redskin news | February 12, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Schroeder for Lachey was out and out theft. That was sweet.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Lavar has been released from the Giants!!!!!!

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - Read Above....

Posted by: 4th | February 12, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Old School, since posting about tight ends, I've been doing a little research on the Skins' recent signing of FA TE, Eric Edwards. He might be interesting ... until Leonard Pope stepped up, he was slated as the starter for Arizona (yes, I know, Arizona), but still, could be interesting b/c at 6'5", 257 lbs. and three years out, maybe HE could be ready to play ball.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Monk

Disagree on Lavar, I was a big fan when we drafted him. But saw right away that would follow him throughtout, occassional big play but often the big mistake or the subtile (to us fans ) blown assisignment.He really didn't have any pass rush moves, easily blocked one on one he wasn't good in coverge. He could really stuff the run when he was in position and he made some bone crunching hits. he didn't provide any leadership, didn't lift the play of his teamates didn't work hard, didn't study. So the excuses about different coordinators is nonsense, he is LB play your assignment, tackle the ball carrier, simple in any defense.

The hype was bigger than he played. We all expected LT and he wasn't even Wilbur Marshall. He just never had that big an impact.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I would love to see Lavar come back....but like everyone else has stated...it ain't happening.

Funny, though....Lavar made remarks at the beginning of the season last year about what a classy organization the Giants were....wonder what he thinks now?

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If guys want to read about the real #56. get the Blindside by Micheal Lewis Fabulus book about How NFL Offensive football was changed forever once he stepped on to the field.

Posted by: Old School | February 12, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Pub Gulf, remind me again how I offended you? By the way the last time I dropped an F on someone it was the poster who was insulting to Cyn Cyndy to the point of disgustingness....silly me...

Old School, and I consider you sage of the blog and a fountain of good ideas...I think I am with Monkaliscious on this one..I think your critisms are valid but I do believe with consistant coaching he could have grown. Also I thought he exhibited great leadership the Marty year and I actually thought he played HUGE in last years winning stretch, and that was only 2/3 of the time...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Blind Side is on my short list...i read excerpt from NY Times Magazine...amazing....my buddies loved it...

Talk about real sports writing unlike ceratin writers we know.....choke...Dr. Z...choke...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The game he got injured was the first time LaVar did anything this year, as I recall. Just about to turn the corner and be a contributor again, and POW.

Again, a sad, star-crossed career. I wish he'd been here and gotten better every year. He would have played in like his sixth straight Pro Bowl this past weekend. AND for a while he was a bona fide star beyond DC, which this team lacks. Oh well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

F piling on chris Larry!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"F" snow

"F" no more home cooking

"F" going back to work

"F" Wade Phillips and

sorry

"F" chris Larry

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate....sniffle....Chris Larry has feelings too!

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

My Spidey sense tells me we blew right through 30k comments sometime in the past few days. We've been posting our guts out, people. Offseason? What offseason?!

Just hoping the milestone post wasn't one of the, ah, objectionable and unwelcome comments which have lately sullied our beloved blog.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Smack: Spoken like a true Cowboys fan....where in TX are you from again?

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The 1992 draft may have been the weakest talent group in NFL history. Looking for offensive weapons? There wasn't much to choose from. Maybe Gibbs should get a pass on picking Howard.

1 Indianapolis Steve Emtman DT Washington
2 Indianapolis Quentin Coryatt MLB Tx A&M
3 L.A. Rams Sean Gilbert DT Pittsburgh
4 Washington Desmond Howard WR Michigan
5 Green Bay Terrell Buckley CB Florida St
6 Cincinnati David Klingler QB Houston
7 Miami Troy Vincent FS Wisconsin
8 Atlanta Bob Whitfield T Stanford
9 Cleveland Tommy Vardell FB Stanford
10 Seattle Ray Roberts T Virginia
11 Pittsburgh Leon Searcy T Miami
12 Miami Marco Coleman DE Georgia Tech
13 New England Eugene Chung G Virginia Tech 14 N.Y. Giants Derek Brown TE Notre Dame
15 N.Y. Jets Johnnie Mitchell TE Nebraska 16 L.A. Raiders Chester McGlockton DT Clemson
17 Dallas Kevin Smith CB Texas A&M
18 San Francisco Dana Hall DB Washington
19 Atlanta Tony Smith RB So. Mississippi
20 Kansas City Dale Carter CB Tennessee
21 New Orleans Vaughn Dunbar RB Indiana
22 Chicago Alonzo Spellman DE Ohio State
23 San Diego Chris Mims DE Tennessee
24 Dallas Robert Jones MLB East Carolina
25 Denver Tommy Maddox QB UCLA
26 Detroit Robert Porcher DE So. Car. St.
27 Buffalo John Fina T Arizona
28 Cincinnati Darryl Williams FS Miami

Posted by: The Mole | February 12, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

cL just going along for the ride on the joke. I wasn't being serious, sorry I thought you would be able to tell that.

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hold on a minute, the snowcam is dry but the map is pink (ice).

The snowcam must not be live! Oh my god, it's showing a looped video! Quick, get our people the hell out of there!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Quite a list!!!!! Sean Gilbert....shudder....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I know I know.....jokes on me I get it.....putting my thick hide back on....pile on!!!!!!!!!

You can see however its hard to take from a cowboys guy, I like you and all but you are my sworn enemy....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Build through the draft. See, the Colts got Emtman and Coryatt 1-2, and they won the SB this season! The evidence is right there!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, Beathard should also get a pass on the Ryan Leaf pick.

Leaf vs. Manning was the only topic for months. All the experts had them rated 1-2, and both were predicted to be stars and future HOFs in the league. The only question was who would be drafted first, and who would be second. And what if the #2 pick ended up being better than the #1 pick?

Any GM in the league who needed a potential star QB that year would have taken Leaf with one of the two top picks in the draft, just as San Diego did. At the time, it was the ONLY choice to make.

It could have been Indianapolis that selected Leaf that year. After all, they did select Steve Emtman #1 in 1992, didn't they? How did that work out for them?

The draft process is at best an imperfect one. Witness Houston in last year's draft - or the year they took David Carr.

The only way to judge an individual's record for personnel is by looking at the entire history, rather than by one ill-fated draft pick. From that perspective, one might say that Beathard's performance has been better than Gibbs. But that is as it should be - Beathard was a personnel guy. But Gibbs was definitely the better coach of the two - by a mile.

Does anyone doubt that some of their best years were when they worked together? Let's leave it at that.

Posted by: The Mole | February 12, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It's listener question day here on The Weather Notebook. Hi, I'm Dave Thurlow. Today's weather query comes from Tony Williams, who listens to us on WNCW in Spindale, North Carolina.

"I have a question for you which is, what is virga and when and how does it happen?"

Virga is any form or precipitation that doesn't reach the ground. There could be rain virga or snow virga. But in either case, the precipitation evaporates somewhere on the journey from clouds toward earth. Virga, which is pronounced ver-ga, is pretty common and you've probably seen it but didn't know it had a special name. Mostly in the summer, virga can be seen falling away in streaks from the bottom of one of those puffy gray and white cumulus clouds on a crisp afternoon. It looks like a torn drape or a curtain hanging from the cloud, but only down about halfway to the ground below. Sometimes the air thousands of feet above the ground is moist enough to produce clouds and rain at the same time that the air closer to the ground is as dry as a bone. So when rain falls in these conditions it evaporates on its freefall to earth. So virga is technically virgin precipitation and its easy to spot its wispy form seemingly hanging in the air beneath its parent cloud.

Posted by: The Pink Stuff | February 12, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, if you truly are a cowboy fan (which I dont think you are)why would you post such negative stuff about your new coach before he even gets a chance? I would never and no other true redskin fan would blast a new coach before he got a chance(and theres been some)not that I dont mind your insults toward your own team but you get NO RESPECT from TRUE REDSKIN FANS for coming to our blog and being a traitor to yours!! men get SHOT for being a traitor!!HAVE A NICE DAY!

Posted by: cookes ghost | February 12, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

What on earth was that?

What the heck happened to the blog?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Settle down, Cookie. He may be "our" new coach, but he is not "a" new coach. And I say "our" because this is obviously a BOOFER appearance! Sup man! The core people on this blog are way more negative about the Skins than I am about the Boys, with a few exceptions. Did you know that you fart when you talk?

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

It's officially the off-season. Apparently, anything can happen.

Posted by: virga | February 12, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Does cookes ghost hang out with Tom Landry's Ghost? Those must be some exciting conversations.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

..."Landry, that was so freakin dumb when you'd have all your o-lineman stand up at the same time...gimme that damn Fedora!"

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, The difference is none of us would ever go to a dallas website and talk about what sucks on our team! thats an unwritten football fan law and you must really want to fit in somewhere(sissy)and just because im saying what most on this blog are thinking doesnt make me boofer!dont worry I took a mint so it shouldnt smell.

Posted by: cookes ghost | February 12, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Quite a list!!!!! Sean Gilbert....shudder....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 06:33 PM


Maybe true but if I am not mistaken, we got 2 first round picks from Carolina since he was signed as a franchise player.

Poor Lavar - favorite Skins moment was his pick six to start the comeback against Carolina to start the 5 game win streak in Marty's only year after being 0-5

Posted by: cdubb | February 12, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown...rollin with the OE! That was always my malt beverage of choice despite limited runs with King Cobra and Crazy Horse.

Thanks for the support on the move folks...Chris Larry I knew we'd be bros as I too have woken from a drunken stupor in the wee hours on the N train in Coney Island allegedly on my way to Queens....covered in birdcrap somehow, but thankfully with wallet and sphinter intact.

I can't help but feel bad for LaVar but do believe he brought it on himself. Monkalicious is right- he would have flourished here w/out a constant coaching carousel...but in the end he brought it on himself..remember his freakout at Redskins Park b/c the team wasn't publicizing his surgery enough? C'mon!!

That said, he contributed big time last year...blowing up LaMont Jordan on 3rd and 1 in the red zone and giving the team a chance to beat the Raiders as well as runback vs Tampa...I'd be interested in getting him back at a discount but not likely.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 12, 2007 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Would a ghost feel a smack to the back of the head?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 12, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

only from another ghost(are you interested)

Posted by: grim reaper | February 12, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Kook. I subscribe to the Post which I figure gives me carte blanche to go wherever I want on this website. And I tip my carrier. I'm sorry if you lack mental capacity and would prefer not to encounter opposing fans. But that's not the reality here. Sorry.

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Anybody sleepy?

Posted by: shorty | February 12, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

What WAS the deal with the Cowboys O-Line standing up before the snap? Still haven't heard a good reason for that.

The only tight end I care about other than Cooley is Brooklyn Decker's. (thanks, I'll be here all night)

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The only tight end I care about other than Cooley is Brooklyn Decker's. (thanks, I'll be here all night)

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 08:52 PM


You must not have seen the explicit pictures that caused miss Nevada to lose her "crown". She is nyce!

Posted by: Pete | February 12, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for Google: http://utopia.utexas.edu/articles/alcalde/landry.html?sec=texas&sub=texans

This sounds exceedingly silly, but there it is, on the Internets. And we all know, if it's on the Internets, it must be true:

Landry created the "flex defense," which placed a tackle a half-yard behind the other tackle, and in 1956, the 4-3 defense, which was so good that five years later he had to create the multiple set offense, involving his trademark offensive line shift, to counter it. The lineman would head to the line of scrimmage and set down, then stand to hide the players behind them, who were quickly changing positions, before resetting (called a "chorus line").

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, isn't a "chorus line" something that involves a bunch of chicks kicking their legs up high?

Fitting.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Schottenheimer shticanned. Amazing. Uh, Wade, we have some bad news for you.

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, I have lots of friends who are opposing fans(some cowboy)but they bust on the redskins and I bust back(all in good fun)but never would they walk into a redskin blog or I a cowboy blog and put down our own team (NO PRIDE)your not around a few buddys, your on a redskin (the enemy)blog where we can speak the truth and debate our team!! but you are stomping on your own colors(no loyalty)to the enemy!that is why I hope your really jm220 in disguise not some cowgirl fan who lost her way?

Posted by: cookes ghost | February 12, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

>>> "No, not Snyder. He has made his mistakes, but he is a brilliant business man, and he has learned to step back and let the football guys do the football. The one negative constant here since 1999 is Vinny Cerrato."

If that's the case, then "Mr." Snyder should have fired Vinny. He didn't (except at Marty's behest that one year) and likely won't. So, again, I rest my case.

I've said this many times before, but it bears repeating. We (those of us on this blog, and maybe even JLaC) obviously have no idea what goes on behind closed doors there in Ashburn. That said, there is a troika of decision-making in any football orgnization: coaches, personnel, and management. In the 'Skins current setup, it appears as if management ("Mr." Snyder) defers too much authority to coaching (St. Joe), and personnel (Vinny) is largely a non-factor. I mean, really, is ANYONE going to tell the man who was most responsible for the glory years of the franchise that he's wrong? (though, if you ask me, it was Mr. Cooke who was most responsible, by creating an environment where these guys could succeed, but that's just my management side coming out)

Again, I need to emphasize the purely speculative nature of my comment. I would love to be proven wrong because, as I said, I think "Mr." Snyder is an exceptionally talented marketing guy.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not delusional, I'm a realist. And I'd rather laugh than fight. I am a different kind of fan than you. Carry on man.

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The Schottenheimer deal is STRANGE. He and their GM must have REALLY hated one another.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's a debate: are NASCAR drivers really "athlete"? ESPN.com called Dale Earnhardt, Jr. "one of the most marketable athletes in sports".

For that matter, is NASCAR a "sport"?

Posted by: P Diddy | February 12, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

New Post from JLC

Posted by: calebt17 | February 12, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Diddy:

No and No

Posted by: chris Larry | February 12, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, you are flirting Booferesquely with your caps lock key in those last two posts. I'm no nascar fan but I go yes yes. It's tough driving like that for 5 hrs, and it definitely takes brass ones to do it. Is it boring as all hell to watch, on TV or in person? Yup.

Posted by: SMACK | February 12, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, you are a one of a kind fan(coward)who throws his team under the bus for a laugh to fit in!!you probably have multiple jerseys in your closet!I wonder why you cant laugh on cowboy sites like we laugh on our REDSKIN site.im glad your not a redskin fan over on a cowgirl site puting us down instead of talking trash!!

Posted by: cookes ghost | February 12, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

If you're a regular blogger and you have something to say to a fellow blogger don't do it behind an alias. Coward? Pot meet kettle.

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