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A New Era

Vinny Cerrato has been a part of the Redskins organization since Daniel Snyder took over - save for 2001, when Marty Schottenheimer fired him - and in that time become the subject of great conjecture. With a free-flowing and ever-changing coterie of coaches and scouts, and frequently changing titles, Cerrato's public responsibilities have been largely undefined, though his loyalty to Snyder and their bond are no secret around the league.
But now, with his recent promotion to executive vice president/football operations last week Cerrato is without question the top decision maker in the organization. That's how his peers see him. The Redskins - save for actually using the GM title - have handed Cerrato the position. Given Snyder' well-known deep involvement with the franchise's moves, there's no more need to wonder who is responsible.

The Cerrato Era has begun. This coaching search is his first major maneuver. The team has gone to great lengths to describe how involved he is with his decision - and the traces to Cerrato are unmistakable throughout - so judge not the past, my friends. The days of figures lurking in the shadows and no one but a head coach being responsible for speaking publicly about everything and anything are over.

You need look in only one direction now for personnel and the draft.

If it's a trade, signing, draft pick, it's on Vinny now. There's no team president and Hall of Fame Coach above him on the flow chart. The days of Redskins' management spreading word that a particularly poor acquisition was really the fault of a scout or assistant coach, well, that's not going to fly anymore. He will be assessed and graded in real time, and for posterity. Whether Snyder is pulling all the strings is irrelevant, because the league will be grading Cerrato's personnel record starting with this coaching hire.

"Vinny's running it," said one longtime NFL executive who has studied the Redskins closely. "Vinny is the GM. This is the first time you can really put everything on Vinny, beginning right now. And his first act as chief of operations is to find a new coach and he's hired coordinators first and basically has his staff in place already. That's a completely outside-the-box way of doing business, and we'll find out of it was right or wrong.

"It's evident to every football man in the National Football League that the Vinny Cerrato era has begun. Whether it works or not - and a lot of people are wondering if it can work - right now you can honestly say he's in charge. In the past he's always been under the radar, and he could blame Dan or blame a coach, but he can no longer do that. It's his team now."

There are already massive reverberations from Cerrato's ascent.

Cerrato, whose NFL upbringing came in San Francisco in the early '90s, is tied to the West Coast Offense. He and Snyder have already hired Jim Zorn, a West Coast disciple of Mike Holmgren, as offensive coordinator. So for all the talk of continuity, stability, whatever, where it matters most - on the offensive side, with the kid QB Jason Campbell - this is anything but continuity if they go this route. It's yet another new system, like JC's eighth in the past 10 years. If they install the West Coast offense - and that seems obvious to football people withthe Zorn hiring - then Cerrato has already ushered in a major philosophical change, no matter who the next head coach is. (If they hire Jim Fassel he was roomates with Holmgren in college and worked at Stanfard for four years right after Bill Walsh, Godfather of the WCO, left, teaching John Elway the system there. Zorn was Fassel's top choice as OC).

Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders are products of the Don Coryell tree and Walsh - the man who first brought glory to the 49ers - is the other prominent tree, the West Coast tree. (Gregg Williams wanted to keep Saunders as OC - he had back-up plans, including Zorn, but Al was his first choice for the good of Campbell, league sources said. He would have made Al focus more and curtail his legendary 700-page playbook, rather than force Campbell to start all over again.)

"These are opposite systems," said one former coach who worked in both systems during his coaching career. "Coryell is a number-based system, there are different principles. The West Cast offense is all word-based, it's terminology. It's all word-based now. Campbell's learning another new language, and this can be a long process. It's all rote memorization."

In reality, the Redskins have already set Campbell's development back, as he was making good strides in his former system. We're talking major, major change. (JC's best year at Auburn came under West Coast OC Al Borges, but the precision and quickness required to execute this in the NFL will be one of the major subplots to the OTAs and mini camps).

"The West Coast offense is a short, quick, very accurate passing game," the NFL exec said. "Coryell is a vertical, deep game. Campbell has a long delivery. He's a longer type guy (6-5) and when you think of the QBs that are most successful in the West Coast offense, you think more of guys who are 6-2, scramblers like McNabb, Garcia, Young. Quick-footed guys. Campbell's long, he can run but he's not really a scrambler. Whereas Gibbs/Coryell is a vertical, stretch, pocket-passing game. Their franchise quarterback is at risk, my friend."

PS - Don't be shocked to see a veteran QB or two with long West Coast ties to be on hand to support Campbell/take his job at a moment's notice in case the overriding goals of immediate gratification are not met.

PPS - I'll do a blog later this week breaking down the differences in the two systems and have already talked to a lot of players and coaches about it.

Okay, back to Vinny.

Some execs might tell you Marty had the right idea back in 2001. Others around the league would tell you that a year ago the Redskins came ever so close to altering their entire personnel structure, with Cerrato worried he might be gone. But none of that matters now. He's putting his people in place and another era of Redskins football is upon us.

Cerrato promoted former director of scouting Scott Campbell to director of player personnel, now above pro personnel director Louis Riddick. They have announced no new director of college scouting to replace Campbell yet, but essentially those three men report to Vinny, he reports to Dan and there's your football ops flowchart.

Everyone is just waiting on a coach now. Some might be ready to call it the Fassel era or the Meeks era, or the whoever-they-hire era. But I'd say look at the football guy making the decision to even hire that person, the man who has already charted the offensive path of the franchise, and let the buck stop there.

So let's all reserve judgment. Who deserves credit for what - especially during the past four years - always was and always will be a game of he said/he said. Let's start fresh. Take out your red pens, have them by your side, and get ready to grade out 2008 on the Vinny-meter.

Randoms: Our reporters at the Super Bowl - Les Carpenter and Mark Maske - tell us that Pats assistant Josh McDaniels sounds like he is open to talking to teams about vacancies after the Super Bowl (I highly, highly doubt he has a real interest of this thing, but no harm in talking). Also hear Antonio Pierce took some shots at the Skins during Media Day ... Never figure out while this organization short Earnest Byner, running backs coach. In 2005, when all the other coaches got three-year deals, he got two years. Now, when his contract up, and the other getting extensions on top of the one year they already had left on their deals, he gets offer simply a one-yea deal. He has to deal with one of the more high maintenance guys in the league, helped develop Betts and Cartwright and Sellers and helped deal with what could have been a nasty T.J. Duckett situation last year, yet gets slighted, while coaches who have not performed as well do not.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 29, 2008; 4:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

I agree on Byner. Seems like a great coach and was an all time Redskin. Love that dude!

But stop the madness with comparing West Coast Offense of 49ers/eagles. Its ignorant. Study the Seahawks/GB off shoot as that is what Zorn is schooled in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is where the bigger football conversation is....

Oh well....what do I know....not an expert....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree the babying of Campbell has to stop. It's also good that he's played in A WCO before.

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Here's a good take at the benefits of having Mariucci instead of fassel

Posted by: redskins91 | January 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

OK, after the removal of those two threads ...

I also have noticed that Byner is getting stuffed. On the idea behind the thread, however, I don't see much change. Previously, I intuited that Cerrato was the problem creater. Now I will know it empirically.

All this talk of San Francisco harkens me back to a bygone era, when the Skins spent a ton of money for a tall unproven receiver who would be able to earn that $$$ with a break out year. The time was March 2006. The receiver was Receiver, The. The only breaking out turned out to be me ... in hives. Good times.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I have serious concerns about JC in the west coast offense. His best throws tended to be on the deep outs while he missed high on crossing routes. The west coast offense has a lot of the over the middle type stuff and it's going to be a big deal for him to make those passes. I have faith, but I'm still a little worried.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

With the new era and move to West Coast Skins may have an even bigger overhaul in store than we know now. Like a new QB.... I like Campbell, but his delivery and wind-up are slow. And that is after Saunders had him working/focusing last offseason on correction. All the best QBs today Brady, Manning, Favre, Romo (sorry), et al all have one thing in common...they get the ball out quick.

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | January 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

This should be a fun list of comments.
J-Lac- I may be joining you as a Ravens fan

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | January 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato makes Larry Michael look like long-standing Mensa member.

He will not get smart overnite. His upcoming personnel moves will produce countless spit-takes into many WaPo sport sections.

Posted by: gdennie | January 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The stuff about Jason Campbell and the eight different "systems" ... at some point, there has to be some overlap, right?

I'm not too worried about JC. He's bright and works hard. He has the tools. MOST of the time he is real calm. Just needs more real time experience late in the game ... mental endurance. That said, I'm giving him a pass on the first six games, courtesy of Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm living in the past, but I wish we had gotten to see what Gregg Williams and a scaled back Saunders could have done next year. Anyway, the good news is that the sooner that Vinny is held accountable the sooner he can get fired. No more hiding Vinny! We have our red pens out and ready.

Posted by: larjan2004 | January 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I have been reading your blog since this coaching search started and I am tired of all negative stuff said on it by fans that call themselves "redskinsnation".
I enjoyed every minute of the Gibbs I era...I think the world of him...However, this time around things didnt go as planned.
A lot of people were so excited about the final 4 games of last season. While I was amazed we were able to pull through such tough circumstances, I also have to admit that you can only keep THAT level of emotion for a short period of time. I dont believe that emotion would be there at the beginning of next season. Let us not forget we were a 5-7 team before Sean passed away guys...
So my approach and hopefully the same that many of you fans will take is to wait and see how things turn out...you have to give it a chance !
...and by the way, all of you that say you wont root for the Skins anymore I say GOOD!!!...we need real fans

Posted by: eauzmendi | January 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse


I always thought that rapture would happen a lot faster. Vinny Cerrato running the Redskins is a slow painful demise for us all.

Hail Mary...full of grace...

Posted by: the_squire | January 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"... All the best QBs today Brady, Manning, Favre, Romo (sorry), et al all have one thing in common...they get the ball out quick. ..."

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | January 29, 2008 04:07 PM

Never really thought about Favre as a getting-the-ball-out-quick kind of guy. Every one of those guys still waits for the play to set up. I think JCampbell's biggest need going into the offseason is to learn how to trust that his guys will be where they are supposed to be on their routes. As the game progress and mental stress increases, it seemed that he was trusting less that the play would set up (i.e., that the receiver would be there), so he seemed to overcompensate by throwing harder/faster to make up for it. I don't recall seeing him lob the ball ... seems like it was always on a rope.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Let us say that Vinny has a bad year. Who is accountable? Do you really think that Dan Snyder is going to replace Vinny with a new GM?

Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

vinny is the isiah thomas of the nfl -- incompetence getting promoted until it can do real, long-lasting damage. wonderful.

he probably lasts another 3-4 years before snyder finally recognizes that going 6-10 and being highly constrained by the salary cap for the forseable future can actually hurt attendance and merchandise sales.

look forward to all the personnel changes required to fit the new system, like going from martyball to spurrier's fun & gun... what a mess. and on d, i wonder if people really expect the defense to get as much out of the personnel as gregg williams did. i hope for the best but suspect the '08 D looks a lot more like '06 than '07, and that's not good.

Posted by: jwruble | January 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess I take some umbrage with "their franchise quarterback is at risk" comment. How??? How is he at risk?? Does running the West Coast Offense involve not using an offensive line at any point? This is such a non-throw away line, that I can't believe it didn't garner a follow up question from J-La.
Please qualify/quantify what exactly that means.

Pierce is a pos.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

eauzmendi, seems like few people are saying they are going to stop being Skins fans ... the more frequent pledges are that people will stop buying the merchandise (and the other stuff at FedEx ... other than the ticket).

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It will take some time but JC should be able to play well in a West Coast system. When they let him run the no huddle last year he was hitting quick short passes all over the place. Still doesn't make any sense as to why they would try to make him adapt instead of the other way around if they have concerns about him being successful. Unless their goal is to make him a bust of the several draft picks we gave up to get him.

Posted by: cdubb | January 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Also hear Antonio Pierce took some shots at the Skins during Media Day"

I stand by my previous comments concerning ms. pierce; The guy is a first class ASSclown. What a tool. Stay away from Redskin Park!

Posted by: Forrest | January 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe
Mooch clip (sorry if its been posted)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Forrest, truer words were never spoken...I agree, stay away from Redskins Park. Next time he shows up, I hope security escorts him out of the building..

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

JC played in the West Coast offense in his last year at Auburn. Results: Best season of his college career, 13-0 record, National Champion*. I'm not worried about this factor.

*Pending USC's forfeiture under the Reggie Bush fiasco.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

For those of you that can not figure it out the "their franchise quarterback is at risk" quote means simply that Campbell has not mastered anything similar to a West Coast offense yet. The implication is that he was drafted and taught to run a far different offense and that this change may not be good for his future. Other options may have to be explored at quarterback. The net result being another fine waste of high draft picks.

Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading these posts for weeks now and each time I sit back in bewilderment at the so-called fans that are lighting this board up. Seriously, tell me what was working the last 4 years? We barely made the playoffs this year with a 9-7 record. Last year, 5-11. The year before, playoffs for sure with a win, but it didn't carry over to the next year. And the first year of Gibbs II we post a losing record. The offense was NEVER prolific. It just wasn't. So why the vitriol over a change?

Saunders system at its core is not all that different from Gibbs', just the scheming/play-calling was more conservative under Gibbs. Is the thought here that GG would have taken the handcuffs off? Really? I just don't believe that to be an absolute certainty.

We have continuity on the defensive side of the ball, the side that's kept us going the two season we made the playoffs over the last 4. Yes, GG likely should have been given the chance to run the show, but now that he isn't we're still keeping that side intact.

4 years of an offense that never worked as well as it should have calls for change. Think of any business: if your sales are not consistently growing, improving over the previous year or even taking steps backward (which the O did a good deal of the time) you make a change. And you start with management. Plain and simple.

Posted by: BrianLooney | January 29, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

QB at risk is a legit concern. It usually takes an offense 2-2.5 years to gell.

Fans lose patience.

Owners lose patience.

Coaches lose jobs.

QB's lose confidence.

Make no mistake that JC is at risk. He's the same age as Eli and Rothlesburger. Eli is now just getting it after 3 years in the same system.

Posted by: Skinz | January 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Excellent article, seems a bit cathartic for Jason to write this as opposed to making himself dizzy with this wild goose chase. Vinny is a disaster. I have zero confidence in him.

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Posted by: sportnick9 | January 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

is vinny out to hire the worst coach he can fine (mooch and fassel) so he won't have to take the blame? please, please don't hire those guys? And why not at least interview Russ Grimm? at least he is a true Redskin.

Posted by: billy_irvin | January 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Let us say that Vinny has a bad year. Who is accountable? Do you really think that Dan Snyder is going to replace Vinny with a new GM?

Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 04:15 PM


Why do you think campbell got promoted. Vinny just bought more time.

Posted by: sblische | January 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Driley, thats nothing but pure speculation on your part. Last time I checked when Campbell used the West Coast offense he was at Auburn, and went 13-0. Did he master the Al Saunders offense? No. Was changing from the offense he ran in college debilitating to his development because the Redskins didn't run the same offense? Teams change offensive philosophies, it happens. To suggest that by changing their offense, that Campbell will now become a flop, is just stupid

"bunch of wasted draft picks" Please prove this, or is this again, mere "debbie downer" speculation on your part.

Someone piss in your cheerios today chief?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

All this BS is just dust in the wind, people posturing, without knowing, including Jason, who is just kicking up dust.

Give Vinny a chance (he's done some good... ask Wilbon)

Give the new coach a chance

The West Coaast offense means very little any more. It's been tweaked, altered, adapted, changed... they go deep, they mix in power... several REAL football guys, including those coaches that run it, say the term really means very little any more.

Lets hope Zorn gets plays in there that help Campbell... help keep the D off balance.... keep the D loose (Zorn was a mad bomber at times, himself)... and move the chains

And get plenty of chances for Portis

And I believe that will happen

So... Stop whining... it's embarassing

Posted by: rjdeluke | January 29, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

6 foot BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, isn't that mere speculation on your part? JC is at risk? What if this new offense clicks with him? What if that happens? What if its the same type of offense he ran his senior year at Auburn? What then?

F-it, lets do the smart thing, and dump campbell, portis, and cooley. None of those guys have EVER worked in the West Coast Offense, and its glaringly obvious that they NEVER EVER will.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse


I think JC has good potential, but I still worry about his mechanics, which cost us fumbles and ultimately games this year. Letting the play develop is one thing, but guys like Brady and Favre, have an economical motion that ensures that the ball is out before they get clobbered and fumble. Now that I think about it however, a quicker-hitting WC offense may be a good fit for JC until he alters that Big telegraphed Leftwich-like windup. Defenses are so fast now, that loop d loop is going to cause problems

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | January 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

We're doomed. DOOMED i tell ya.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Tell me what good Vinny has done?

Exclude Gibbs 4 years as GM/President and Shott's 1 year.

Who has Vinny been responsible for getting?

2003
2. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida - 44th overall
3. Derrick Dockery, G, Texas - 81st overall
7. Gibran Hamdan, QB, Indiana - 232nd overall

2002
1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane
2. Ladell Betts, RB, Iowa
3. Rashad Bauman, CB, Oregon
3. Cliff Russell, WR, Utah
5. Andre Lott, S, Tennessee
5. Robert Royal, TE, LSU
6. Reggie Coleman, T, Tennessee
7. Jeff Grau, LS, UCLA
7. Greg Scott, DE, Hampton
7. Rock Cartwright, FB, Kansas St.

LaVar Arrington, LB, Penn St.
1. Chris Samuels, T, Alabama
3. Lloyd Harrison, CB, N.C. State
4. Michael Moore, G, Troy St.
5. Quincy Sanders, S, UNLV
6. Todd Husak, QB, Stanford
7. Del Cowsette, DT, Maryland
7. Ethan Howell, WR, Oklahoma St.

Please don't tell me about Lavar and Samuels. They were the second and third picks in the draft. We'll have to start giving people credit for drafting Peyton Manning if that's the case.

Posted by: Skinz | January 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino,

So is Campbell going to be hitting 70% accuracy in 08?
How long is the learning curve for this offense? I do not think that "the coach to be named later" is going to copy the Arkansas offense. There are a lot of versions of a West Coast offense and we do not even have an idea what version we are running. Zorn has not been an OC yet so he will have to develop his own offense. I am just thinking a little deeper than you at this point, GregMarino.

Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree. We passed on Mason Crosby last draft and it kilt us...

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

As long as Cerrato and Snyder are running the show, the Skins will stink. Thanks, Danny. You'll not see one dime from this (former) third-generation season ticket holder ever again. Idiots.

Posted by: bc1123 | January 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Bill Bellichek said it's not about collecting talent...it's about building a team.

Tony Dungy said, it's not enough to have one good draft class... you have to keep supplementing your team through the draft.

Until Vinsanity & Snyder get that through their heads....we're DOOMED.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

driley, couple things:

1. It was Auburn. Not Arkansas.

2. I don't know what the offense will look like, but lets do this, before we cut Campbell, because we think he can't handle things, what say we ACTUALLY LET HIM PLAY A COUPLE GAMES, prior to passing judgement?? You are just thinking too much driley..

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

So stop using draft picks as trade bait. Everytime somebody gets injured it's like a Shakespearan tragedy.

And use your cap space to keep your free agents.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Okay it's pretty obvious that if something the redskins did well Gibbs is the reason, it it sucked then it was Danny and Vinny. I mean Vinny couldn't be responsible for any of the selections during Gibbs 4 years. He couldn't have had any imput except for guys like Receiver, The or Archuletta. It was ALL Gibbs (unless it sucked). Frankly, that's crap and everyone spouting it knows it is.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to free agency the Redskins should apply this rule:

If another team is willing to let somebody go, they probably suck. (eg. Lloyd, Arch)

If another team wants one of our guys, he might be worth keeping. (eg. Pierce, Dockery)

It's foolproof

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Mark Brunell is an experienced west coast QB...I'm just saying.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I guess we officially need a big WR to run those slants now.

Posted by: Glass_Half_Full | January 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Personnel decisions don't happen in a vacuum. No one person can keep an eye on every prospect, know every cap nuance of every contract, know every detail of every personality in the talent pool. The ultimate decision may be made by one person or even two but the info needed to get there is handled by many.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

experienced west coast QB because he played at UWashington?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

There are some really intelligent posters on this space, with logical arguments for and against dan/vinny.

My question is who is responsible for Gibbs II? If as some have stated, that the past four years we not good, would this not fall on dan/vinny?

My take, as much as I am a fan of Gibbs, especially Gibbs I, I would say that hiring Gibbs was a bad choice by dan/vinny and allowing him to run the team as he did falls on the owner/gm (insert vinny). If dan/vinny were happy with what Gibbs did, there would not be as many changes.

Also, continuity was needed on the offensive side.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 29, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

etrod, that was my exact thought when Saunders was "authorized to pursue other opportunities." As goes Al Saunders, so goes The Todd. Mark Brunell has more lives than a cat (come to think of it, he was born a "jaguar", right?).

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Hire the coordinators, and then hire a head coach???! That's a$$ backwards, to be sure. And the pre-Gibbs Snyder-era picks were terrible. The death spiral continues at Redskins Park...

Posted by: chrisdong | January 29, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

So stop using draft picks as trade bait. Everytime somebody gets injured it's like a Shakespearan tragedy.


Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 04:47 PM

This cracked me up.

Posted by: Skinz | January 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

experienced west coast QB because he played at UWashington?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 04:54 PM

He played in Greenbay under Holmgren

Posted by: sblische | January 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

OK, so Brunell started as a Packer (backing up Favre), but he was the ORIGINAL Jaguar QB.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

ChrisDong -
1. Killer handle
D. Hiring a coordinator before a head coach worked out well for the Cowpokes last year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Gregmarino,

I feel for Campbell, I really do. I think that he just got shafted. He has spent 3 years in the pros and 2 years learning a new offense. I believe that he had about 80% of it down. He needed this one last offseason to get to the point where he could be relaxed in it and have the confidence in it that Collins did. I think he would have had a better chance after seeing how TC ran it in real games and how effective it was. So now you are asking him to literally start all over with new sets, new terminology, new routes, new timings. This to me is asking a little much for a still proving himself quarterback. I suspect that a priority for the offseason will be trading or signing a quarterback that the new headcoach has already worked with. Won't that be great for Campbell's confidence? It is like Gibbs bringing in Brunell over Ramsey.

Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I think the point about Campbell having previously played in a west coast system DIRECTLY INDICTS the quote Jason put in his post about JC having to learn a new language. The point being, that he already knows that language and the fundamentals of the system (and indeed had his best year ever as a player in that system). Surely he will have to learn new variables, sets, words, etc - but I don't think you can credibly say that putting JC in a west coast system is like starting over, which is clearly what the unnamed source was stating.

I'm actually modestly optimistic about JC in a west coast system. He won't hold the ball as long and that should minimize his fumbling (assuming we get some protection) and I think Portis was at his best this year when he got involved in the passing game. In fact, Portis was at his best ever when in Denver and they used those zone blocking schemes to open up giant holes for the man. But either way, Portis plays quick and he'll do well.

The real deal is that I think Betts will be a lot better in a West Coast system. He can catch out of the backfield and accumulate YAC as well and that will open things up.

So overall, I don't think a West Coast offense is a bad idea, even if it is unfamiliar. Because let's face it, the last time the Redskins were an offensive powerhouse there wasn't a salary cap and no one had ever heard of Belichek.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I hear Snyder and Cerrato get to Glendale tomorrow. Mooch's non-denial denial seems very interesting. You better believe that whoever is hired as HC has already signed off on the hires in place. Meeks is window dressing. Fassel probably was manipulated. "After the Super Bowl" was to not overshadow the NFL network coverage with the hire of an NFL Network analyst. It's Mooch!

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The offensive system has been in place for 2 years. This will be the 3rd system in 4 years for JC. I don't believe JC is in THEIR future plans....regardless of what the front office says...I just don't believe them. People are upset for good reason, although I don't like all the bashing, because we DID make the playoffs and we needed some tinkering but not an another overhaul. The front office talked about continuity, especially for Jason. If someone had a good track record with choosing personnel and hiring coaches I think fans would have a lot more confidence in the recent moves. Think about all the players and coaches we've been sold, I don't need to list them, not a very good track record to say the least. Regardless of how much fans "overreact" the perception around the league is not good. True or not, manage the publicity! I'm not embarassed but based on the treatment of Gregg Williams, regardless of whether he got the job or not, maybe I should be. I'm already missing the way Joe Gibbs conducted Redskin business. Hail!

Posted by: danieljsmilack | January 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Can any of the apologists for The Owner explain to me why selecting a head coach before the Super Bowl would "distract from the championship game"?

Among the reasons to delay picking a head coach, this seems like the silliest. Unless they are planning to actually make the announcement in Cardinals Stadium. Does this just mean they don't want to distract Spagnoghetti and McDaniels from the big game?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

1/30/07 - Crush the Cowboys to earn a spot in the playoffs

30 days later - "The Cerrato Era has begun"

Took less than a month to completely destroy all optimism. What a shambles.

Posted by: kohastings | January 29, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

from my days living in sf when cerrato was there, to everything he has done while he was here, i think he's an idiot. he pretty much was responsible for putting sf into salary cap hell.

even if we go by only what he's done since his recent promotion:
got rid of both current coordinators, and decided to do a 180 in our offensive approach. that would be fine if you're starting over, rebuilding. i don't think that's where we are, however.

maybe campbell played in a west coast system in college, but i think it's fairly obviously that his physical skills are better suited towards the coryell/gibbs style (i add gibbs in there, cuz he sorta changed the coryell style by adding much more significance to the running game). it sounds like at least one other nfl exec agrees with me.

i'm not saying campbell can't run a decent west coast scheme, i just think he's the prototypical pick for a coryell scheme. and if the skins are banking on him being our future, then switching offenses away from one that fits him perfectly is either stupid or egotistical. from what i've seen of cerrato in public, i'd go with stupid.

if you don't like al saunders, fine. there are tons of other coaches that come from that style. zorn might be a great coach. i personally think marriuchi is a very good coach. just really not sure we have a team built for them.

Posted by: segastyle | January 29, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's a lifeless sponge. He can't even mummble the plays in the huddle - so what difference does it make what terminology he uses. All you need to know about the guy is he can't handle pressure in the 4th quarter.

He missed the dagger bomb at Philly. Look at the 1st NY game - the worst 2 minute drill in history. The game at Dallas and at TB. He choked. You either have "it" or you don't. Campbell doesn't.

Start looking long term.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

JC's transition to the WC offense is being way overhyped. He'll be fine.

Posted by: boot1 | January 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute...If I washed Danny slate clean because of his honorable behavior following Sean Taylor's death, and then, Vinny becomes GM, does that mean that Danny's slate stays clean, because all of the stuff flying off the fan sticks to Vinny?

I guess Danny promoted Vinny. If things get bad, that may be enough.

Just think happy thoughts.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato is the Peter Principal in action. In this case, Vinny's Peter in Danny's corn hole.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | January 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

What would it be if the Rams hired not only Saunders, but also Williams ... and then Vinny traded Jason Campbell to the Rams.

The only word that comes to mind is "funny," but I'm not sure if it would be "ha ha" funny or "this tastes funny."

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

...and then Vinny traded Jason Campbell to the Rams..

I could not handle another skins QB playing good for another team.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 29, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Can any of the apologists for The Owner explain to me why selecting a head coach before the Super Bowl would "distract from the championship game"?
Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 05:01 PM

Sween, remember when A-rod announced he was opting out of his contract right in the middle of the World Series? All the baseball purists raked him over the coals. That's probably what the Danny wants to avoid.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

on my previous statement, i think we should look at the entire offense. do we have west-coast style receivers? offensive line? running back? tight ends?

for tight ends, i would say yes. cooley is very much a receiving TE, which is perfect for the WC. for o-line, i'm not as sure. i think our line's best attribute (when all healthy) is run blocking. maybe after losing dockery, that's not as true. hard to tell exactly since were were without half of our line for the entire season.

at WR we have smaller, speedy receivers. most successful WC schemes i've seen use at least one larger, more physical, but still very good route-running WR, but then seattle doesn't really have that, and their offense runs pretty smoothly. i think regardless of what we run, we need receivers that can stay on the field more.

at rb, i think portis, while maybe not a prototypical WC fit, can certainly be effective. with a primarily passing offense, the defense will not be keyed on stopping him, which should allow for him to get past the line unscathed, and he is one of the best backs in the open field.

so maybe it's not all doom-and-gloom. i just hope we don't forget about sellers ability on offense. the guy just makes plays. over and over.

Posted by: segastyle | January 29, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Can any of the apologists for The Owner explain to me why selecting a head coach before the Super Bowl would "distract from the championship game"?
Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 05:01 PM

Sween, remember when A-rod announced he was opting out of his contract right in the middle of the World Series? All the baseball purists raked him over the coals. That's probably what the Danny wants to avoid.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 05:11 PM

He is being raked over for his handling of HC process by the football world, why worry about this by mr. media?

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins should entertain offers to trade Jason Campbell. If we can garner a couple of high picks, it might be the best move, for both Jason, and the Redskins.

The Redskins need draft picks. We have a number of pressing needs on both sides of the ball. The Atlanta Falcons come to mind.

Jason has a long career ahead of him. Let's do him a favor and put him in a fresh situation, one that is better suited to his strengths.

We need those draft picks.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"The West Coast offense is a short, quick, very accurate passing game," the NFL exec said. "Coryell is a vertical, deep game. Campbell has a long delivery. He's a longer type guy (6-5) and when you think of the QBs that are most successful in the West Coast offense, you think more of guys who are 6-2, scramblers like McNabb, Garcia, Young. Quick-footed guys. Campbell's long, he can run but he's not really a scrambler. Whereas Gibbs/Coryell is a vertical, stretch, pocket-passing game. Their franchise quarterback is at risk, my friend."

Im sorry but i have a hard time understanding how a West Coast Offense (a short, quick, very accurate passing game) is any different that what we've seen the past 4 years (campbell being here for 3 of those)...short, quick, dink and dunk...

coryell may have been a vertical deep passing game but ill have words and then some with anyone that says thats what we've been seeing the last 4 years...

we've all been screaming for vertical, deep and stretching the field and it hasnt been there...

sure its a new language...but the more languages you know the easier they are to learn right...

i can think that this is as bad as jlc is making this out to be...but look forward to that post...

just dont say that 4 years we've been running a vertical, deep passing game as a basis for where we are coming from...it was all timing before and thats whats coming now...

jlc...whats your take on mooch?

Posted by: deadskin | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's a lifeless sponge. He can't even mummble the plays in the huddle - so what difference does it make what terminology he uses. All you need to know about the guy is he can't handle pressure in the 4th quarter.

He missed the dagger bomb at Philly. Look at the 1st NY game - the worst 2 minute drill in history. The game at Dallas and at TB. He choked. You either have "it" or you don't. Campbell doesn't.

Start looking long term.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 05:05 PM

Seems to me one could make the same case against Romo.

In all fairness, a lot of guys dropped important balls on Jason last year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

All this business about "It's yet another new system, like JC's eighth in the past 10 years" what does this mean? Who would you rather have learn a new system -- a guy who's worked in the same system for ten years (Todd Collins) or a guy who's worked in seven systems?

What is your point with this statistic? That we don't know how good Campbell could be? That we should have hired a coordinator that runs one of the previous seven systems? That Campbell's a genius to be able to do this? That he can't possibly succeed with "the West Coast offense"?

And, yeah, it would be nice to see a veteran QB to back Campbell up -- someone who's not Bark Mrunell or Tom Collins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Al Saunders system did not suit Campbell's shills. It is a very tough thing to throw a ball to a spot and have confidence that your receiver will be there based on a pre snap read. You have to have touch and be super accurate. Campbell was progressing yes, but hardly had it down. The one thing that Campbell has shown is that he can play at a high level even though the system changes around him.

peterandmeredith
There would be very few franchise qb's out there if you decided they didn't have "it" after 20 games, one's playing in the SB this week and alot of the ones in the HOF wouldn't be there.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

TRADE JASON CAMPBELL!

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Ah hah! I finally found my way into this thread from that alternate universe thread. I thought I was stuck there forever. Looking at the end of the previous thread, I think Kost is still stuck too...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 29, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Please don't lump me in with the Snyder apologists. I just know how to translate dumbass.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you can be so good when you stick to what you know.

When you venture into territory unknown, however, it reveals your ignorance --- as this latest post has.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 29, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Can any of the apologists for The Owner explain to me why selecting a head coach before the Super Bowl would "distract from the championship game"?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 05:01 PM

I hope that answering this doesn't make me an apologist, but my understanding was that the League Office asks the teams not to make any major moves. They want the media's attention focussed on one thing and only one thing: Tom Brady's Boot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me one could make the same case against Romo.

In all fairness, a lot of guys dropped important balls on Jason last year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 05:14 PM

Yeah, but Romo completed a couple comebacks. Just not when they mattered.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Problem is not with the scheme. Problem is with transition that shouldn't have happened.

The players believed in GG. They'll play hard for any respectable coach. But its a big step to go from playing hard to a deep trust and belief.

Belief is where the Redskins were. But that trust and confidence are broken. We can't even figure out what offensive style is going to be used but we've already hired a coordinator.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 29, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not bringing in the SanFran West Coast offense people. Zorn hasn't even coached with Walsh. He has ONLY been in the WC Off for the last 8 years. They were not running that in Seattle before Holgrem.

Zorn has not been in WC Off all of his life. He has never been an Offensive Coordinator. He has only been a QB coach. He can develop his own offense based on many principles he has learned on the way.

I don't think you can pigeon hole this Offensive situation. Especially if they hire Meeks (my leading candidate).

They will tailor an offense to JC's strengths not his weaknesses. I think that was waay too much of a speculative thought from rival executives.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 29, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess Todd Collins is officially gone now too and Brunell, maybe, just got another year as the back up.

Posted by: Glass_Half_Full | January 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

What happens when a player like Springs refuses to restructure his contract and is cut. Can't see how this helps our cap. Hopefully he and others like him are Blache guys.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what offense comes in? It will revolve around Campbell throwing digs, slants of fly patters. That's it. The boy can't hit anybody in stride.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Cassely reports on comcast that the redskins will interview the moochie man

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, they don't have much choice as to whether to go with Campbell (and probably Collins as backup). The salary cap situation is manageable with a few re-negotiations, but if they start releasing/trading people and taking big cap hits for it, it will blow up very quickly. The really scary thing right now is the rumors that the Redskins are seriously looking at Limas Sweed in the 1st round. He's big, but he can't catch, and he's got a potentially long-term wrist injury. (I can't believe I'm thinking about the draft -- this whole thing is getting to me.)

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | January 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone bothered to ask Campbell what he wants? Likely not.

Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I know a little football from playing thru college.. alot more than the layperson but no NFL knowlege. I am not a fan of the West Coast offensive theory. I like throwing the ball down the field to incorage DBs playing back and give a good change of pace paired with a strong persistant rushing attack. JC is NOT a West Coast QB !!! He is more suited for the down the field game. Our tiny recievers are not suited for the West Coast offense either. It was such a hot offense for so long that the term West Coast became redundant.. but as JLC explains it is based on short quick routes.. basically quick accurate passes in lieu of a strong running attack. JC is not a quick or extremely accurate passer so , I HOPE I'M WRONG, he is going to be average at best. Not going to be pretty next year fowlkes... but maybe Vinny will turn out to be the next great GM and maybe I'll get attacked by gorgeus bikini models when I leave work today.

Posted by: cwprice | January 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The Cerrato era has just begun???? JLC, are you high? This Donkey has had his fumbling fingers all over this for years now.

Posted by: zap123 | January 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Collins a Free Agent? If so, I doubt he'll be back here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Pierce thanked the REDSKINS alot in his Media Day interview and credited them with making them the player he is today.......by the way......its on NFL NETWORK as we speak.

I blame his loss on Williams....as he thought he could plug in any LB there.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

re JC in a west coast offense..

i think it is pure crapola to say that JC is better suited for coryell offense. over and over again he overthrew receivers on deep balls. his accuracy on deep throws was far worse than on outs and other routes despite time.

also, to say that mcnabb represents an ideal for a WC qb is ridiculous. he has every flaw that JC has and might be even more innacurate on timing throws despite far longer in the nfl

since JC will not be the chose QB for the new HC or for vinnie, for that matter, i do expect that we will see another qb drafted as high as 3rd inthe up coming draft. PLUS, we will see a vet backup qb well versed in the WC offense signed, just in case.

if we get mooch, this is even more true because my guess is that he has learned that he is only as good as his qb. the difference between his niner tenure (young/garcia) which was lauded and his lion tenure (harrington) which was bashed is the difference between the qb's he inherited or developed. i do not expect him to make that same mistake again.

if it is fassel or one of the coordinators, i expect they will leave JC on a bit longer leash, but sooner or later JC will have to produce consistently or will be replaced- regardless of offensive line or receiver woes. 7 different schemes or 1, JC is on notice it is time to get it in gear...

Posted by: seltzer | January 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The trust and bond was broken the day Gibbs resigned. Hiring GG would have made everyone happy including the NFL execs who make their living being know-it-alls but would not have changed the fact that the offense was moribund at best for 4 years. What's wrong with the WC offense and the talent in place. Get the ball to Moss Cooley ARE and Portis in space. Use all of the skill positions. JC would have to work on his mechanics anyway. Not because of the system but because this is the NFL and long deliveries equal fumbles and interceptions.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's reserve judgement? JLC, you are high. Cerrato is a tumor on this franchise. Starting when he drafted that idiot Drukenmiller with SF's 1st round pick.

Posted by: zap123 | January 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This is Awesome! Remember last time we had a promising young QB, switched coaches and offensive philosophies? that turned out just perfect! we're basically hitting rewind 4 years here.

Posted by: gmm26 | January 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Never figure out while this organization short Earnest Byner, running backs coach. In 2005, when all the other coaches got three-year deals, he got two years. Now, when his contract up, and the other getting extensions on top of the one year they already had left on their deals, he gets offer simply a one-yea deal. He has to deal with one of the more high maintenance guys in the league, helped develop Betts and Cartwright and Sellers and helped deal with what could have been a nasty T.J. Duckett situation last year, yet gets slighted, while coaches who have not performed as well do not.

JLC, that's Vinny Cerrato stamped all over it.

Posted by: zap123 | January 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Collins won't be back .....which isn't bad.....the skins would have had to pay a very pretty penny to keep him....based solely on his knowledge of Saunders D.

Just like Del Rio did with Garrard.....just like J. Johnson did with Aikman......you gotta let your QB feel comfortable in his position and trust him.

Saunders should have opened the book more for Campbell. We will sink or swim with Campbell......enough coddling....2008 is when he learns to lead.

The NFL is a QB Driven lead.....and it is that dimension that separates the elite from the pack.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Sween, remember when A-rod announced he was opting out of his contract right in the middle of the World Series? All the baseball purists raked him over the coals. That's probably what the Danny wants to avoid."

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 05:11 PM

The baseball thing is (up to) a seven game series. The Super Bowl is a few hours ... and its still days away. Maybe The Owner is right though ... can you imagine? "First and ten, Brady is back in the shotgun ... and, wow, can you BELIEVE that the Redskins hired [insert whoever] only four days ago ... I mean, THAT was big big big news ... oh, also, that last play was third and two before Brady threw that TD ... back to Dan Snyder and what a genius he is ...."

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Seriously Antonio! The day after Gibbs resigned you were sniffing around Redskins Park and now you are talking smack again - pick one! Seriously!

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason

how did it go or is it still going with Meeks....maybe the longest rooney rule good faith/maybe next time thanks for comming ever or are they serious....anyway I said yesterday and JaLa put into about 1000 words Vinny is now out on ther plank for all to see, all the moves, trades drafts, fa's, coaches are his.... who we bring in ( hopefully the coach still decides who to keep) we need alot and with all thats going on expect lots of changes in personnel, we need younger faster bigger just about everywhere....you can hope this thing goes one of two ways over the next lets say 3 seasons +/- Vinny is a genuis and we establish ourselves behind a good young QB and coach or as most of the unamed but often quoted NFL exec's believe he is in way way over his head and he with some Danny meddeling leads us off the cliff, I am hoping for sceniro uno.....but if you love horror stories then the best thing that happens is the villian gets his in the end and thereby Vinny will be gone.....

Posted by: Oldschool | January 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

To the moron with the first response to Jason's recent post. You are ignorant and need to do YOUR homework!!! The 49ers/Eagles/Green Bay/Seattle West Coast Offense are all connected! Mike Holmgren started under Bill Wash in SF. Then he went to Green Bay where Andy Reid worked under him. Andy Reid is hired in Philli. Holmgren has been in Seattle the last nine years with guess who??? Jim Zorn! IT'S ALL CONNECTED. Do your homework before you rip JLC. I get tired of people posting comments to rip the man, he does good work and then most of you don't even know what you are talking about!

Posted by: david.gause | January 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Pierce thanked the REDSKINS alot in his Media Day interview and credited them with making them the player he is today.......by the way......its on NFL NETWORK as we speak.

I blame his loss on Williams....as he thought he could plug in any LB there.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 05:29 PM

yeah i saw that...but i wasnt watching that closely so someone tell me what he said that has everyone all pissy...

if we hire mooch this whole "boondoggle" will actually come together and make sense...

and 4th is right...Zorn will create a new system that is based on ALL he has learned (not just WCO) in his career...and im sure it will be catered to JC strenghts...

u guys make too many assumptions based on too high level info...

Posted by: deadskin | January 29, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Pierce thanked the REDSKINS alot in his Media Day interview and credited them with making them the player he is today.......by the way......its on NFL NETWORK as we speak.

I blame his loss on Williams....as he thought he could plug in any LB there.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 05:29 PM

yeah i saw that...but i wasnt watching that closely so someone tell me what he said that has everyone all pissy...

if we hire mooch this whole "boondoggle" will actually come together and make sense...

and 4th is right...Zorn will create a new system that is based on ALL he has learned (not just WCO) in his career...and im sure it will be catered to JC strenghts...

u guys make too many assumptions based on too high level info...

Posted by: deadskin | January 29, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@ gmm26

Different situations......Ramsey's psyche was broken from Day 1 because of the ole BallCoach.....

Campbell was groomed and is growing and ready to lead.....Ramsey was never able to recover from his shellshocking under Spurrier.

Not to mention that I didn't think any of the players bought into the Spurrier Era or their philosophies.

We'll have to see the O changes.....but ZORN seems like a smart guy and is fresh thinking. The defensive scheme is the same....problem is we're going to need a number of new players there.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Pierce thanked the REDSKINS alot in his Media Day interview and credited them with making them the player he is today.......by the way......its on NFL NETWORK as we speak.

I blame his loss on Williams....as he thought he could plug in any LB there.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 05:29 PM

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Oops - my bad - I take my comment back.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 29, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gause...Who cares, the West Coast Offense sucks...

Posted by: zap123 | January 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone bothered to ask Campbell what he wants? Likely not.
Posted by: driley | January 29, 2008 05:25 PM

WTEM (B. Mitch) reported earlier that the Redskins called a few players and asked them if they were ok with certain offensive coaches and soon to be hired ones. I would think the Campbell was one who was asked. My opinion is that Campbell will be fine. Let him be himself. He hits those slants pretty good.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you only 2 things are possible. McDaniels said he would be interested in discussing options after the SB. The only option left is the Redskins so he's interested. The second is Mooch. He is the NFL network's top analyst (coach). Hiring him before the SB would be a BIG distraction. This isn't about distracting from the game it is about distracting from the EVENT.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm worried about the west coast offense. If for no other reason than the 'skins aren't built to run a west coast offense .
We've always been power run and play action. We might not have always been successful at it, but thats what we've tried to do. Running is en grained in the 'skins culture.
If this works the Zorn will look like a genius. If the team gets off to a slow start and Campbell is passing 40 times a game I'm predicting those "run the ball" will return to fedex.

Posted by: Down777866 | January 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Title of Jasno's post should read

"A New ERROR"

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

zap123, I agree with you! Not a fan of the West Coast Offense and I don't like the fact that JC17 has to digest another new system. I have decided to be an optimist about this situation, and hopefully we'll have a productive season next year. No use fretting over the decisions Snyder has made. What's done is done. Hopefully there is enough talent on hand to overcome our ridiculous front office. Wishful Thinking????

Posted by: david.gause | January 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

". . .vinny is the isiah thomas of the nfl -- incompetence getting promoted until it can do real, long-lasting damage. wonderful."

How right you are. It's classic 'PETER PRINCIPLE'. Named after Dr. Laurence Peter, it is the process of getting promoted until you finally surpass your level of competence. It usually happens to people who do little or make a mess and get promoted to get them out of the way without indicting the organization as a whole. Vinnie's going to do some REAL damage now.

Posted by: weldonhill | January 29, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

david.gause,

Um gause bag, that was me you insulted and you obviously didnt follow my thinking. My point was ALL the coaches who have brached from the west coast Offense have done something different with it. My POINT, tard, was that Zorn is linked to Holmgren who has been more of a Run oriented (Dorsey Levens/Shaun Alexander)who asks his QBs to throw deeper than the "norm" WCO.

My POINT moron was that if you want to start extrapolating the version of WCO Zorn MIGHT use than GB and Seattle were the places to analyze NOT Eagles 49ers IN THAT THEY WERE BOTH MULTIPLE STEPS AWAY FROM ZORN AS OPPOSSED TO DIRECT LINK!

But whatever tool, keep impressing us with your knowledge.

And geek, if you even paid attention I am a regular Janso supporter who just happened to disagree with some football analysis. Isn't that OK? Or did I miss something. I am not one who accuses him of making up quotes, being lazy or whatever.....

Jeesh this has been about as un-fun last week on RI as I can remember.

F everybody....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who your QB is when you are changing systems on him every 1-2 years. Give Campbell a break. Theismann says it takes about 4 years for a QB to be completely comfortable with a system and personnel (e.g., Eli Manning). We will continue to have offensive issues until we choose a system and personnel and stick with them for at least 4 years.

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote this

"Give Vinny a chance (he's done some good... ask Wilbon)"

A new low on the RI blog. OMG

Wilbon I am happy you are not dead but I wish the WP would dump you sorry a$$.

Jla we are already mad please to not incite us further. Other then that not a good posting. You have not but, We have been through this before we don't need to wait. We will never know who to blame with Dan running the show. Lets just blame Dan.

Posted by: mul | January 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of who the HC is, it all starts with the OL. Gibbs won three SB with three different QB because of the HOGS.

Look at NE and how much time Brady has to throw.

Injuries did not help us, but OL and depth at OL needs to be the priority.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 29, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

F everybody....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 05:52 PM

Are you saying F me? Do you want to see me? lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 29, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

To the moron with the first response to Jason's recent post. You are ignorant and need to do YOUR homework!!! The 49ers/Eagles/Green Bay/Seattle West Coast Offense are all connected! Mike Holmgren started under Bill Wash in SF. Then he went to Green Bay where Andy Reid worked under him. Andy Reid is hired in Philli. Holmgren has been in Seattle the last nine years with guess who??? Jim Zorn! IT'S ALL CONNECTED. Do your homework before you rip JLC. I get tired of people posting comments to rip the man, he does good work and then most of you don't even know what you are talking about!

Posted by: david.gause | January 29, 2008 05:37 PM

Sir, you have open yourself up to being the ignorant one. Zorn has only been in the WC offense for 8 years. Zorn has been in the NFL in some capacity for over 30 years.

Not even 1/3 of his time in the NFL has been in the WC Off. Please go back and do your football knowledge. The magority of us football fans know that SanFran/Philly/GB/Seatlle is connected. Duh.

ChriLarry was stating that JLaC's comments were short sighted. Who else has Zorn studied/played under in his additional 20+ years not in the WC off?

If I remember correctly, the Seahawks back in the day were no where near WC off when they had Moon or Krieg. I remember as a wee youngster see Steve Largent running deep more often than he did slants and ins.

That is your homework assignment for tonight to go a check youself.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Holy C*ap the PR is back in full force.

Posted by: mul | January 29, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Al Saunders will be hired in St. Louis, Williams in J'Ville. Mark it down, both units will be in the top 5 next year. Saunders was good, him and Gibbs couldn't get on the same page and that hurt the overall offense. My last cry for Williams / Saunders. Their success with other organizations next year will just add to the embarrassment that the Danny-Vinny front office duo is!

Posted by: david.gause | January 29, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

F JM220 most of all!!!!

(um just kidding really, wait stop coming after me, put the hammer away, remember those matras u always post...stay calm don't hurt me...dont taze me bro....)

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry has it right. Lots of Portis pounding, lots of Moss and ARE and Cooley in space. I think we'll be counting YAC or we may just YAK but it will be alot more interesting than run 2, pass 1, punt.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

" ... this has been about as un-fun last week on RI as I can remember. ..."

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 05:52 PM

I share those sediments, cL (and btw F chRIs Larry). Except for an isolated thread, this place has been grabbing for the boo hoo boxes of bloggery since Fassel's name popped up (actually, maybe it was Vinny's promotion, I don't remember which came first) ... then with the departure of Williams, you can smell the wind howling like a tornado of fart.

RI has been robbed of its Super Bowl ... the post season. Pure poop on a thick stick. I've been trying to keep up with the reading, but the pay off is WAY low.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Do Jason Campbell a favor.

Trade him. We need the draft picks.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I hope Zorn turns us in to a Wishbone team with Sellers, Portis and Betts in the backfield at the same time. You can have your H-Back West Coast hybrid zone blocking schemes. I'll take 32 Double Iso any day of the week!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Just a thought...

Why do fans want "continuity" if Vinny and Snyder are ruining this team?

Oh...and since I get insulted(chrislarry) those thinking that I'm a Snyder apologist, many people dog Snyder and Vinny for the many, idiotic mistakes they made (TJ Duckett), but very view look at the total picture (Fletcher, Kendall, Landry, Blades)

I forgive you chrislarry (smile)

Posted by: rickyroge | January 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the interview yesterday with Randy Thomas who seems to be one of the more upbeat guys on the team. He actually looked depressed when he was talking about how he has no idea who the new coach would be.

Way to kill the morale. Way to set JC back. I wonder if Joe Gibbs would have stayed a year if he knew that Danny would wreak this much havoc.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 29, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Those of you asking to trade JC don't really know much about football.
Do you know how hard it is to find a QB with his potential and talent?
Why do you think they fired Saunders? Not because he was a bad coach, his system didn't fit JC's skills. They are going to build a system around JC.

JC's biggest problems last year were his fumbles and last minute chokes under pressure. Those are mistakes that can be eliminated with good coaching and practice.
If he lowers those mistakes, he's one of the best QB's in the league. You don't just trade someone like that.

Posted by: COskins | January 29, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

There are two constants with this Redskins organization: Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. Everything else is constantly in flux. So who should get the blame?

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

That Crafty Deion.....

Was interviewing Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo.....and after he asked what he wanted to do after the Super bowl he responded "I need to spend time with my wife"

Deion: "You can either take that....at A Victory Parade, the PRO BOWL, or in WASHINGTON???"

His response: "I'm gonna worry about this game here...that's it. First things first. Let's just worry about this game..." Laughing.

Young guy...

We'll see.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

A Retired Fan

At this point I wish all the players all the best and give them all many thanks for their tough play and insipiring performance in 2007.

There are great memories of Redskins glory, over many years, that will always be with me.

But the way this current owner and management have handled the team and the coaches, I couldn't care less if it wins a game next year. I don't want them to lose, I just don't care whether they win or not.

I will come back from retirement when these folks sell the team. :)

Maybe Joe Gibbs can buy it someday. LOL.

Posted by: Craazyman | January 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to all of you season ticket holders that are giving up on this team. My spot in line just keeps moving on up :-)

Posted by: COskins | January 29, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Rickyrouge,

I didnt realize that telling you your lips were swollen from all the VinnyDan azz kissing was an insult....who knew?

But hey, thats where I agree with Janso in this post the blame/praise game will be a lot easier to access going forward now. I think its real murky looking at past picks/choices and knowing who made the call.

But Double R I hope your right and I am wrong bro....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Come on 4th floor, so you mean to tell me a man having never been an Offensive Coordinator won't implement most of what he has been involved with the last decade?? You are a creature of habit, and yes I am sure he will attempt to pull from his 30 years of knowledge he has acquired during his whole NFL tenure. But, the offense that he attempts to build in Washington will stem directly from the West Coast Offense. He has already said as much. READ! Also, you are correct most of us know the West Coast connection between those franchises. But go back and read that post and that person does not. He clearly said that the SF/Eagles WC version should not be used in comparisons, rather GB/Sea. Yet all are connected.

Posted by: david.gause | January 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Whatever.

Jason Campbell rode the short bus to school. His first score on the wunderlik was an 18.

The kid doesn't possess the acumen to learn and apply another system, not to mention he lacks mental toughness.

Jason Campbell's trade value is at it's highest right now. It goes down from here. This team has pressing needs on both sides of the ball (see offensive line, defensive line, and corner.)

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Day Late Len (Pasqua ... etc.) got up the story about Larry Brooks and I noticed this:

"After his retirement, Brooks worked as an assistant coach with the Rams for eight seasons (1983-90). His resume also includes stops at Green Bay (1994-98), Seattle (1999-2002), Chicago (2003), Detroit (2004-2005), and Arizona (2006)."

Wasn't Arizona (2006) the year of "they were who we thought the were ... crown them!"

Another criterion occurred to me as a need in the guy to replace Joe Gibbs ... quippability ... the ability to make a memorable quip. See Dennis "Crown Them" Green, Jim "PLAYOFFS!" Mora, Joe "Swinging Souls ... up here ... guts out" Gibbs, maps, such as.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else wonder what we are going to do about this OLD offensive line? Other than Heyer (who has been a great surprise) how much do you think these guys have left in the tank?

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that Jasno's NFL exec is doing what all NFL execs do. Pigeonholing a player because of his size or speed or his delivery. You have NO idea of how coachable he is, you have NO idea of how far he has come. Sounds like the same guy that told Jasno the Heyer would get Campbell killed. Oh yeah, that's right we actually coach people in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I always thought that rapture would happen a lot faster. Vinny Cerrato running the Redskins is a slow painful demise for us all.

Hail Mary...full of grace...

Posted by: the_squire | January 29, 2008 04:14 PM

Squire, I don't think this is the Rapture. Unfortunately, I think this is the Tribulation.

Posted by: jaradel | January 29, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

cL, I think RR was just lumping himself in with "everybody" in response to your invitation "F everybody".

Speaking of which, I would never wish an injury on anybody, but peeps would readily admit that Tom Brady is not just "anybody."

Have I found a loophole on this? jm220, can I get a read on that?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Bless u crislarry, it's not that serious. We can agree to disagree. We're both fans of an underachieving franchise. You people let words and differences of opinions get under your skin. You explained your sentiments more specifically and some of it is valid. I still think the foundation of that offense is similar. Of course, each coach has wrinkles but the basis stays the same. Terminology, style, etc...Most importantly it's bad for JC17. Glad you are a JLC supporter. Disagree correctly next time! hahaa! Let's see how mad that makes u!

Posted by: david.gause | January 29, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sportnick9 | January 29, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

dog-speak, got it, you don't like Jason Campbell. How would you feel about Brady Quinn? [This is a test ... your answer affects how YOU will be judged.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Our offensive line is a glaring deficiency. It was a weak spot going into last season.

Same can be said for the defensive line. Our inability to pressure the passer has hurt us time and again.

I don't see Jason Campbell in a Redskins uniform anymore. I see draft picks.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Saunders will probably try to bring Campbell to St. Louis.

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

We add super-smarts, wit, and intelligence to the blog.

Posted by: not AllTheDamnNewPostersThisPastWeek / January 29, 2008

Posted by: notguy | January 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Cerrato era??? Wow, kinda sends a shiver down the spine doesn't it?

Posted by: tartanskin | January 29, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

CL just make sure you keep your head up because I am coming after you. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 29, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hell of an outing last night with CLarry and Nate del PDX. Wish we could have partied longer.

Bacon wrapped dates people!

I oft try to imagine, with regards to this Vinny situation, another business where someone could keep getting promoted without accomplishing anything. I come up with funny scenarios involving an entire staff leaving for a rival company and unfunny things like shuttle bus accidents. This, much like all the news from the last few weeks, boggles the mind.

Also a general point, lots of dudes who seem to be new are dropping venomous things like: 'we only need real fans!' in response to dudes like me being critical of what's happening. Here's my analogy for that:

If I vote for a guy who isn't president then disagree with the moves of the guy who won, it doesn't mean I don't love the United States of America. It just means that I'm dissatisfied with the state of the union.

That's all that's going down. Loving the Redskins like I love playing Mike Tyson's Punchout doesn't mean I reward incompetence with blind optimism. I've seen this play before and I know how it ends. This isn't what I ordered.

I don't like being the butt of every joke of the NFL columnists on SI, ESPN etc. I don't want to go back to those days. So, I'll fight tooth and nail to stop it from happening again (basically meaning that I'll complain on the blog).

I love you all except for the racists.

-ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 29, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

A hopeful indication that JC can fit the WC offense would be the Detroit Lion annihilation --- high completion % and short[er] routes --- more crossing routes over the middle too---could be good use og Santana & Randle-El

Posted by: bobeaston | January 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Is it the Cerrato era, or the my cousin vinny era?

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

So far, of all the candidates, I really don't have a problem with Maryhoochie. Meeks would be ok, but if you go that route, why didn't we just go with GWilliams.

Maryhoochie never coached against us in our division, so thats +1 he's got on Fossil. You can't forget what Hooch did in SF with half the talent we got in DC. I got Hoochie's back.

On Pierce, the divorce is over man. You got the house and the car and we got stuck with the Snyd. You win. Shooooosh.

Posted by: kmckinty | January 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't it be the Cerrato Error?? I think you could grab up a drunk homeless guy from Metro Center and he would do as good as Vinny!

Posted by: jimwell | January 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"The Cerrato era??? Wow, kinda sends a shiver down the spine doesn't it?"

Posted by: tartanskin | January 29, 2008 06:21 PM

I'm guessing the "shiver down the spine" was intentional Jasno's part ... its the part where that shiver does a 180 and a J hook at the bottom and turns into a screaming fire demon as it heads back north that troubles me.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Brady Quinn?

Well, first let me dodge that tricky question by saying I went to school with Derek Anderson at Oregon State and believed he was going to be a a good NFL QB at the time. People are saying the same things about Joe Flacco they said about Anderson; too slow, too goofy footed. I think Joe Flacco is going to mature into a great QB and will be a great value in the draft.

Brady Quinn is a pretty boy, other than that, I doubt he has the stuff to qualify as a bona fide QB in the NFL.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Throw the baby out with the bath water too dog-speak? Given all the success the FO has had in bringing in FA QB's getting rid of JC would be great. Jeff George isn't doing anything right now.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yo Gause Bag,

You really are dim. No Sh!t there all connected. I said the BEST comparison of versions of the WCO is GB/Seattle, especially Seattle, b/c that is the BEST FREAKING LINK DUE TO ZORN'S EXPERIENCE THERE. Everyone knows that the WCO means like 14 different things in 2008 and many of them don't resemble Walsh much at all anymore.

Holmgren is maybe the most succsessful Walsh disciple. Why? Because he personalized it. In doing so he made many elements his own including tougher running game, bigger O line, longer throws downfeild and smaller recievers. Now, dumbazz, I know Andy Reid came from Holmgerns GB staff but he added his own twists, which are now three steps removed from Zorn. Zorn never worked for Walsh. So I was surmising that PERHAPS if we are going to break apart the version of WCO that ZORN might be most influenced by its the Holgrem version NOT 49ers/Eagles.

Zorn WCO Links:

Holgrem/Seattle: Direct

Holgrem/GB Once removed

Reid Eagles: Twice removed NEVER working together on same staff

Walsh 49ers: 4times removed

So if your looking at which iteration to study that is most relevant seems to me:

Seattle (obviously)

GB (some interesting Favre/JC comparrisons)

Eagles

49ers

OH WHO KNOWS!!!! Sorry I tried to take a football analysis approach to looking at Zorn and what he MIGHT do.....

Hows this:

Everything sux, hate the team, hope Redskin 1 crashes, behead Campbell, Trade Cooley, never going to another Game, Williams best coach in history, Ravens are my new team, Polo is the best sports...teeth gnash/hatred/negativity/taking out my azz!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm out! Thank god for that! Now I know how Homer felt when he was caught in the "third dimension"!!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

dog-speak, Offensive and Defensive linemen can be picked up after the draft (Heyer). Star QB's can't. JC is a star QB.

Posted by: COskins | January 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a fine QB, and I don't see any available QBs that I'd rather have - so let's give him two years minimum in this new system to see what he can do. Oh yeah, and let's not judge Campbell until we get a consistent offensive line in front of him.

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Damn CL! Take a deep breath brother. What the hell did you eat last night? Where is Sallie Mae? You need a hug or I can pull out the hammer.

Posted by: jm220 | January 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

pancetta!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"... Brady Quinn is a pretty boy, other than that, I doubt he has the stuff to qualify as a bona fide QB in the NFL."

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 06:24 PM

Correct answer. Perhaps this test was too easy. I'm also a D. Anderson fan and have been peddling the same stuff you are saying about Jason Campbell with reference to Quinn ... now is the time that the Browns would get the best value out of him in the open market (i.e., while he is still a glass half full unknown rather than a proven glass half empty). The difference though is that the Browns have two QBs in the facility. Other than (gulp) Brunell, the SKins are not in the same position.

That said, I'm still pro-Jason Campbell (and still strongly positive on him in my preference polling of myself).

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Where'd my stupid tree joke go?

I posted a dumb link to the Hass Avocado I the top of the mystery thread. I was hoping that's what david.gause was complaining about until I realized he was talking about the football and not the jibba jabba.

Did you know: every single Hass Avocado tree is descended from one tree, the "mother tree," also known as "Bill Walsh."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Is it Monday yet?

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 29, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the browns would get much for B. Quinn, given that just about every team except the Browns passed on him in the draft.

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm with COskins re: future franchise QB ... if the Skins HAD TO trade Jason Campbell, the only guy for me would be a guy from the same draft who is looking to be a franchise QB ... Derek Anderson.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a star QB in an alternate universe, true.

The game moves too fast for Jason and it may never slow down enough for him to be able to make the right read, at the right time.

People are too impressed with is apparent athletic ability. That's not enough to qualify him for star status.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I didn't try to hug cHris Larry last night, but there was a really, really awkward moment when I put my arms around his and ArtMonkToTheSticks' shoulders and muttered something about how much I love this stupid blog. Which was out of bounds for a lot of reasons.

Why, oh why, didn't chRIs LarrY try to hug Maya Rudolph? She was right there, dude! I could have held Samberg back, he wasn't that big a dude.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Alright, calming down, taking breaths, sipping selzer water.....must have been those Devils on A Horseback....

F Me sorry I exploded.....

except no sorry to Dog

Posted by: chrislarry | January 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

People were attacking Eli his first few years in the league just as they are attacking Campbell. Well Eli has done what he was drafted to do, get to the superbowl. Who's to say Campbell won't follow a similar path?

Posted by: kurtus25 | January 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're right jm, we need some hugs doled out by SallieMae to set things right up here.

Love, love will tear us apart, if we let it.

Be strong, blog peeps. Be strong.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the descendants of the "Barno Family Tree"...

http://www.mindspring.com/~myinnovation/Frank.htm

Posted by: 4-12 | January 29, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Nate, your tree joke broke the blog!!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone here entertain the thought of a Jason Campbell trade if it could net us high draft picks?

It might be worth testing the waters to see what we could get in a trade?

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"Don't forget the descendants of the "Barno Family Tree"...

http://www.mindspring.com/~myinnovation/Frank.htm

Posted by: 4-12"


I love you, 4-12.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Trade Jason Campbell????

That's a terrible call!!!(in Bill Walton's voice)

Posted by: rickyroge | January 29, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many years of pro football all the chumps on this blog have played who are saying that JC having to learn a new systme is not that big a deal.

Funny b/c virtually every ex-QB commentator that I have heard wiegh in on QB development seem to stress the importance of continuity and mastering a system over time...

Chumps need to realize this is not like playing Madden on your X-Box.

And our franchise QB is at risk b/c his development and confidence are about to get shot to heck (see Patrick Ramsey's career)...

Posted by: p1funk | January 29, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I have talked to several sources who tell me that Tommy Lasorda comes from the Holmgren family tree. Another indication that he will be mentioned as a possible candidate for the Redskins coaching job any day now by the beat reporter.

Posted by: barno | January 29, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone here entertain the thought of a Jason Campbell trade if it could net us high draft picks?

It might be worth testing the waters to see what we could get in a trade?

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 06:38 PM

Not unless you're talking 2 top 5 picks and a couple of second rounders, or 3 top 10 picks. Then I would cosider it and plan on entering a 3-5 year rebuilding phase. JC is a very solid QB. Look around, how's JaMarcus Ware working out? How about Ramsey? Why give up a QB with a great attitude and stellar potential--with the potential to start for another 10 years--for an unknown? Especially when you don't really have anyone reliable to fill in at the QB position.

The Skins haven't had stability at the QB position in years (in addition to coaching changes) and that's one reason I believe there haven't been many trips to the playoffs.

Generally speaking, I think it would be silly to trade away a QB with the skills, attitude, and potential of JC, just entering his prime. That's too difficult to replace.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Trade Jason Campbell????

That's a terrible call!!!(in Bill Walton's voice)

Posted by: rickyroge | January 29, 2008 06:46 PM

frow it down big thella

Posted by: barno | January 29, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm going to cut against the grain a little here.

I don't see the treatment of Byner as a huge slight. He was a great skins player, but I'm not sure he gets all the credit for being such a phenomonal coach. I harken back to the decision to have Betts in at the end of the gints game. All indications were that he is the one that decided on how subs would work. I think there were some other questionable subs in other situations as well.

Also, I'm not sure JC's game is suited all that well to the long ball. He has a rocket arm and great distance, but we saw lots of times when those deep balls had no air under them, were too deep or just plain inaccurate. He did much better in the no huddle precisely because he was forced to act more quickly.

All this absolutism about the setback this will cause him and his body not being right for the scheme are hashed out. He's a bright kid and will have a proven entity teaching him the system.

I won't go so far as to defend Vinny, but I will say that the one gripe Jasno, sween and many others have had on this site for a long time is that it was the structure of the FO that was flawed. we may not like the guy that's in there, but the structure of the entire staff has just become a hell of a lot more traditional from a football sense.

BTW, another guy that seemed to like Vinny OK was St. Joe.

I also maintain that the reason that Fassel has not been named coach yet is that it's not going to be him.

Think about this; If you were going to hire a relatively young HC, say McDaniel or Spags, would you trust him to bring in his own assistants?

I am leaning towards Meeks myself with at least an interview going to McDaniel.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 29, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I was letting the man-love hang in the air for a few minutes. Back atcha, Nate.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

My mistake.
Jamarcus Ware = Jamarcus Russell

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

p1Funk.....different situations.....

One they are going to simplify the offensive system......almost all the players thought Saunders system was overloaded....

THere is an article in ESPN this month about NFL Playbooks....in essence they are all pretty much the same...all teams use a variety of the same formations sets etc....dating back to Paul Brown....whats the difference is the terminology of the plays.

JC is different than Ramsey......you never got that Ramsey had the dedication that Campbell has....nor did he ever show that he was comfortable as the head guy. Was that because of Spurrier getting him shellacked on every play?? Probably....

We'll have to see what the future holds.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll also admit that i'm in denial a lil bit due to the sheer, unadulterated betrayal I would feel if we went through all of this shizzznit just to hire Fassel.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 29, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Not only the QB what about receivers, Moss is the redskins best and he hardly fits the WCO mold. Neither really does Randle-el, this philosophy points to an entire personnel overhaul. on a team that is cap strapped - Makes no sense, it is going to be a ugly ride for skins fans

Posted by: pjpred | January 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Muu Muus on NW 21st.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"Not only the QB what about receivers, Moss is the redskins best and he hardly fits the WCO mold."
-pj

Just cause they're short??? Not very PC of you pj

Posted by: LarryBud | January 29, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I can see B Lloyd in the WCO. Give that man an extension!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato has been one of the problems with the Redskins for his entire tenure in Washington. Marty had the right idea in firing him back in '01. Desinating Cerrato as executive vice president/football operations is just as big of a mistake as it was bringing Steve Spurrier here. I'm not looking forward to another decade of sub-par teams.

Posted by: netdesigns | January 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Even if Jason Campbell flops, which is 50/50, at best, you all will find someone else to blame.

The young man has a free ride. I hope he takes advantage of it.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

A New Era...OF POOP!

Posted by: dropsy | January 29, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

LPD- (Little Prick Danny) has really screwed the pooch this time.

The stadium will become emptier and emptier and he'll finally have to sell.

Or maybe his helicopter mechanic will get pissed at him and relax on the maintenance work and plop him in the Potomac...

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 29, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

net,

I really, really hope you're wrong. I'm grasping for straws here, buddy. Always look on the bright side of life!

Posted by: LarryBud | January 29, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato should sign Randy Moss and trade for Sinorice Moss. Then we can have the three Moss' starting at WR...LOL.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about this place is the illusion of control it gives us all. Ultimately, no matter what happens, it's LPD's team and maybe, just maybe, if we all think happy thoughts and clap real hard tinkerbell will come back to life.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Amazing, isn't it. How quickly Snyder can go from the guy who all were proud of during Taylor's tragedy to the guy he was before.

So much for there's hope for him. ... apparently once a Snyder, always a Snyder.

Posted by: Annie-Jazzy | January 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that our offense is going to be as West Coast as most people are making out. Mooch isn't our HC yet. Zorn wasn't the OC for Holmgren, he was the QB Coach. As 4th and a few others have pointed out, less than half his time as a Coach has been spent in a West Coast offense, let alone his time AS a QB. Weird Al had a playbook, and tried to teach it to JC. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that, as a former QB and QB Coach, Zorn will understand how important JC's development is to the success of the team, identify his strengths and weakness and mould his offense around what is most likely to work.

All QB's have different strengths and weaknesses (look at how Andre Woodson fared with Martz's system in the Senior Bowl), an OC SHOULD try to make best use of them, not fit the QB to that system.

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

For everyone that doesn't believe that our players fit this offense, read this:

www.jonahschuman.wordpress.com

it briefly explains what I've said about our players, this offense, and why they'll fit.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I think LPD needs to go on a free agent spending spree a la year 2000.

We can win the offseason again and march right through the season without doing a damn thing.

But all those big names on the jerseys sure will make him alot of money! And that's all that is really important to him isn't it?

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 29, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Org Chart not Flow Chart.

Posted by: akmathew98 | January 29, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

One of my favorite Darrell Green related moments. It went something like this

Jerry Glanville:
Back when I was coaching years and years ago, the Redskins used to have a player named Darrell Green. And he was so good, we did our entire game plan knowing we wouldn't throw the ball in his direction all day long.

Other Broadcaster:
Darrell Green is still there

Glanville:
Isn't that amazing. And there still not throwing at him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 29, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article in the rival paper:

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/SPORTS01/5267540/1005/SPORTS

Earlier this week, when told of Cerrato's promotion, an NFC executive couldn't stop laughing.

"It gives the rest of us a better shot," he said. "I'm sure the rest of the NFC East is breathing easier."

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I love you JLC, but "reserve judgement" and "start fresh." Not sure a redskins fan can do that

Posted by: SeanTay77 | January 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I've heard about JC, but has anyone heard any news on how Carlos and Rocky are doing in their rehab?

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with this nfl executivr that says campbell can't play the west coast offense, he'll be a better qb...the oc zorn is an oc and qb guru, campbell needs to work on his delivery a bit...but alot of the redkins offensive players played in a west coast offense....portis in denver, moss in ny for the jets, they have the personel....and they used it alot in the 05' season....I could see brunell staying another year.....I think portis is going to have a longer career and benefit from the blocking schemes.....gibbs didn't always use him right...he had alot of wear and tear under gibbs...the west coast offense was designed by bill walsh because his quarterback in cincinnati who was a major deep thrower, blew out his shoulder...the offense was crippled without the guy. so walsh drew up the scheme, it was a way to tacticly create a better possibility to score when individual matchups might not be won by your players...that's why it has alot of timing routes, zone blocking and so on....it's also less complicated then saunders offense whether you use numbers or words for terminology....kick that executive to the college level....

Posted by: johnny3 | January 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Nate, this link is just for you:

http://www.johnhelmer.com/level.itml/icOid/4

And it's in the PDX!!

Sween, with your 6.30pm remarks on Brady Quinn, you need to read my dissertation on this here blog about the eerie parallels between Brady Quinn's current situation and the famed Quantum Physics conundrum known as 'Schrodinger's Cat' as posted last week, or maybe the week before....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

One they are going to simplify the offensive system......almost all the players thought Saunders system was overloaded....

THere is an article in ESPN this month about NFL Playbooks....in essence they are all pretty much the same...all teams use a variety of the same formations sets etc....dating back to Paul Brown....whats the difference is the terminology of the plays.

JC is different than Ramsey......you never got that Ramsey had the dedication that Campbell has....nor did he ever show that he was comfortable as the head guy. Was that because of Spurrier getting him shellacked on every play?? Probably....

We'll have to see what the future holds.

Posted by: goosedude

goosedude what camp does vinnyDan send people to talk *&*& about former members of the redskins (I don't mean Lloyd). Were you the one who put the hit job on Williams?

Posted by: mul | January 29, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I've heard about JC, but has anyone heard any news on how Carlos and Rocky are doing in their rehab?

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 07:43 PM

Everything I've read says that both of them will be ready by the start of the regular season, but I can't believe that they would be 100 percent.

Posted by: jimwell | January 29, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I was neither in favor nor against Williams coming back...

The point is....as many people for some reason are refusing to acknowledge is that this team was going to experience some major overhauling whether Gibbs had stayed, williams had become head coach, or whoever X is the HC.

Salary Cap + Age on OL + Key Injuries/Rehab + Players enter Late years of the contracts = Youth movement.

We've got a good young core....time to build around them.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just wanted to say it looks like 'happy' Barno has been around today.

I'm a fan of happy Barno. 'Cranky' Barno reminds me too much of me, but happy Barno should visit RI more often, he's a fun chappy.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

@mul

How am I talking *&$( about Ramsey??....he was SHELLSHOCKED....PERIOD. Spurrier ruined him....he always had happy feet.

He was given a golden chance to win the JETS.....and what did he do?? NOTHING.

Now he's the backup of the Broncos....and his performance coming off the Bench this season really makes me wonder if he'll be in the NFL next year.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jimwell!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

gooseduck,

Agree with you on Ramsey except for one think. Stop blaming Spurrier. Patrick never had anything for the pros. He should have stuck with throwing the javelin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

You say CE-RAY-TO and I say CE-RAH-TO
You say SPAG-NO-LOW and I say SPAG-NAH-LOW
CE-RAY-TO, CE-RAH-TO
SPAG-NO-LOW, SPAG-NAH-LOW
Let's call the whole thing off!


Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

'Coat, I thought we were a working-hours diversion for you. Are the Florida primaries too nerve-wracking? Do you have to watch them as a fins fan? I'm not sure of those rules...

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

You know, I expect the Skins to keep Bill Lazor.

I just can't imagine Zorn not having a Lazor by his side.

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Please forgive the left-fieldidness of my occasional posts this evening; I'm trying to write 6 different work presentations simultaneously and all this random stuff keeps popping up, so I thought I'd dump it in here so it doesn't end up in my slides!

I'm trying to help your team's EVP find you a new coach by sending him SubVinnymal messages in my posts.

Martin E. Schottenheimerschmidt, that's my name too
Whenever I coach ball, the people always call
There goes Martin E. Schottenheimerschmidt
La-la la-la-la-la-la...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

'Coat, I thought we were a working-hours diversion for you. Are the Florida primaries too nerve-wracking? Do you have to watch them as a fins fan? I'm not sure of those rules...

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 08:55 PM

As someone denied a vote (but not taxation I might add) they are a matter of supreme indifference to me cload.

That said, the way most of these people are conducting themselves lately, even if I could vote I would be tempted to scribble in "none of the above" on my ballot.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's at least try to look on the bright side here, folks (OK, I admit to being an incurable optimist):

We may not know who the new HC will be at this point, nor what type of offense we'll be running next season, but at least we can take pride in the fact that the Skins have THREE finalists in this weekend's hall of fame induction class. Not many other teams can say that.

Just today, while in the car at preschool pick-up, they were doing a story on Art Monk and I heard the familiar voice of our favorite old broadcaster Frank Herzog and his signature - "Touchdown, Washington Redskins!" I swear, hearing that voice, the roar of the crowd in the background, and the band crankin' up our ole theme song - well, it nearly brought a tear to my eyes (no joke!)

Just think what it'll do to revive our collective psyche(s) if, on Saturday, we hear that at least one of our players got elected to the HOF.

Keep the faith, folks.

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 29, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Just to prove I'm not all roses and flowers, I'll follow my happy-sappy post with this little ditty:

One of Dan Snyder's first moves as owner was to remove Herzog as the radio play-by-play guy and replace him with none other than (drumroll, please...) Larry Michael. And we all know the broadcast has not been the same since that day. Nor will it ever be.

So much for incurable optimism.

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Can any of the apologists for The Owner explain to me why selecting a head coach before the Super Bowl would "distract from the championship game"?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 05:01 PM
____________________________

I'm not a Snyder apologist, but I suspect that selecting a head coach before the Super Bowl would NOT distract in any way, but Snyder wishes it would, so he's hyping a lead balloon.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

well, my design pattern for the night has been to read a little RI, put a kid to bed, read a little nursery rhyme, put a kid to bed, read a little RI, check on the primaries, read a little RI, put a kid to bed.
I'll let the reader determine within which activity the most sense is made.

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

You mean I've been coachin' on the floor darlin'
And I feel like I need some more and I
Feel your Danny close to mine and I
Move on Vinny it's about that time!
You make me feel - Richard Vermeil
You make me feel - Richard Vermeil

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,
There is no randomness, like your randomness, its like no randomness I know.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Touchdown, Washington Redskins!
--F.H.

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

daggar,
That's easy the Nursery Rhymes, hands down!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren Holmgren, Holmgren the Wonder Hamster
He doesn't bite and he doesn't squeal,
He just loves to run on his hamster wheel
Holmgren, Holmgren, Holmgren the Wonder Ham-sterrr

Hey Holmgren!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Daggar - It's true...we cannot say it enough;

Touchdown, Washington Redskins!

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 29, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Thankyou stumped, I resemble that remark!

And cload, having read that post you now seem to have an awful lot of kids to put to bed, or you have one that "isn't quite sticking". :)

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,
I'm getting visuals on that last one...(am I tripin?)

"Awh, look at him; he's so cute. What a busy little guy."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
Didn't you know daggar lives in a shoe?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

ah, you're familiar with "not quite sticking" eh? Yes, that is exactly the issue.

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you know daggar lives in a shoe?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 09:17 PM

Yes, it's a cload-hopper.
The older two kids go quickly and quietly. The little one, not so much.
Ah, she needs a drink of water now...

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame that Holmgren actually looks more like a Walrus, but I do like the visual stumped.

Here's another snippet for you....

The queen, she said, "Columbus, pootchy-wootchy,
If you should land in some new land,
Please name it for Steve Mariucci,
'Cause he's a nice Italian man".

Name the song.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually a 'cload-hopper' sounds like a big funnel that you use to feed 'cloads' into a machine (to be cloaded?)

Can't do James L. Mora, Jr as I already did "that's a-Mora" previously....

Computing next coaching option....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

C&D,
Mine are 3 and 5 (going on 4 and 6).

Coat,
I'm clueless, but I'm ready to carbo-load.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm a cload now (a cload now)
I've been to FedEx Field - I'm world renowned
I think I'm a cload now (a cload now)
And every new Head Coach is a hand-me-down

My most recent little 'un is 4 (going on 16) and "the previous lot" are 26, 23, 22. Fun first time (Mrs Redcoat 1.0 notwithstanding), waaaaaay more fun this time (Mrs Redcoat 2.0 especially).

The 'Mariucci' song was (I think) "America is a nice Italian name" by Allen Sherman?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Sween, with your 6.30pm remarks on Brady Quinn, you need to read my dissertation on this here blog about the eerie parallels between Brady Quinn's current situation and the famed Quantum Physics conundrum known as 'Schrodinger's Cat' as posted last week, or maybe the week before....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 07:58 PM

Oh, I remember your cat, Coat. The known unknowns versus the unknown knowns and whatnot, such as. Back when the Browns could have made it to the playoffs (but for the ill-fated play of Jim Sorgi) and before the Browns made an offer to re-sign Anderson, I was scheming how about how they could get dollar back for Quinn. Of course, my anti-ND bias skews me anti-Quinn out of the blocks, so my thoughts then were probably memorable for their unremarkableness.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse


It's the "REVENGE OF VINNY!" The Skins will be paying for it BIG TIME. "Thanks Joe Gibbs" for bailing out on the franchise.

I think since Gibbs was close to firing Cerrato last year, he's decided to scrap everything related to Gibbs and has made it personal. Even Bram Weinstein who works for Daniel Snyder commented yesterday on the air that it looks like the firing of Double G Williams was a personal move and not a business move by Snyder & Cerrato. It sure looks like that more and more.

The move to switch to a West Coast style doesn't make any sense at all. That's not Redskins football and doesn't suit Jason Campbell...which means they're looking to get rid of Campbell soon.

The person who showed the history of Cerrato's drafts is on point. I counted the players from 2 separate drafts run by Snyder & Cerrato..The Skins only hit on 4 players in each of those 2 drafts (8 players) that they drafted. Only a few of those drafted players are still on team due to them leaving by free agency.

(Marty only did well with Fred Smoot and picking up Antonio Pierce as a free agent.)

What's lost is that Snyder has proven that he's dishonest and a liar. He's flushed everything Joe Gibbs has set up down the toilet and hasn't learned anything at all about running an organization to Gibbs.

The "good news" is that since Cerrato will be the guy responsible for everything now, he won't last for more than 2 seasons. He'll be fired after 2 years and the Skins will have to start ALL OVER AGAIN.

In the meantime, the Skins will have to suffer through this abomination of having an idiot owner and a sycophant as Exec. VP of Football Operations.

"Thanks Joe Gibbs!"

Posted by: heisted547 | January 29, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Tommy James and the Shondells?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Mine are 12 (I disliked 12-year-old girls when I was twelve and my opinion hasn't moderated a whole lot),
8 (Boy, as in "Boy, I'm gonna spank you into the middle of next week!"), and
3 (BUT I BE FOUR SOON! "when, honey?" ON MY BIRFDAY!) [Technically, I need bigger caps to channel her voice, but you get the idea]...

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Stumped sat alone in a boggy marsh,
totally emotionless except for his heart
Mud flowed up into Stumped's pajamas
he's totally confused by the drops from Santana

He's Stumped, he's Stumped
He hates Dan S.
He's Stumped, he's Stumped, he's Stumped
His team's a mess

Stumped lingered last at Qwest for beers
and when he got back to his seat, he covered up his ears
Small things so sad that Seahawks could land
Is Stumped fast asleep or rockin' out with the band?

And so on....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm probably kidding about most of that.

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse


Also, I wish all the rubes that own season tickets at FedEx would quit your futile and lame threats of not renewing your tickets.

There are about 1,000 people on the waiting list for Skins tickets. Go ahead and give your tickets! There are plenty in line waiting to snatch them up. Demand exceeds supply..basic economics folks!

Posted by: heisted547 | January 29, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I drink a lot, so maybe I'm missing something, but if Vinny is now the boss, why is he Vice-President?

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Open call to those sacrificing their season tickets ... DO NOT DO SO yet ... if you are in the 200s, I'll pay you face value plus $25 a seat per game (or another reasonable premium) plus a ham sandwich (or another reasonable deli meat/bread combo).

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey, RI, I had the weirdest dream!

Joe Gibbs came back to coach the Skins!

Really!

But in the dream it didn't go so well--Snyder was still the owner, Vinny still around--it started out like a dream and then it seemed to turn into a nightmare.

Actually by the end I was glad to wake up. It was just too weird.

Posted by: farstriker | January 29, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"I drink a lot, so maybe I'm missing something, but if Vinny is now the boss, why is he Vice-President?"

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 09:48 PM

You're not drunk, you're Australian. This is how we do things in this country (or the current Administration anyway).

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

* BOOM BOOM clap *
* BOOM BOOM clap *

Danny you're a boy make a big noise
Playin' in the street gonna be a big man some day
You got mud on yo' face
You big disgrace
Kickin' Gregggg Williams all over the place

Sween will Sween will rock you
Sween will Sween will rock you

Vinny you're a young man hard man
Shoutin' in the street gonna play the draft some day
You got blood on yo' face
You big disgrace
Wavin' your incompetence all over the place

Sween will Sween will rock you
Sween will Sween will rock you

And so on...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse


REPEAT OF MY FALSE THEORY:

Gibbs wanted a minority ownership of the Skins...Snyder said "No." Gibbs then gave Snyder a hard, open hand slap to his face and resigned.

Hahahahaha.

Posted by: heisted547 | January 29, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

He's Executive Vice President. That much more presidentier.

Almost twice as much presidentiness as a standard vice president.

Posted by: daggar | January 29, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It's the "REVENGE OF VINNY!"

__________________________

Does this mean the next HC of the Redskins will be Tony Stewart?

Posted by: Xlnt | January 29, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"I drink a lot, so maybe I'm missing something, but if Vinny is now the boss, why is he Vice-President?"

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 09:48 PM

You're not drunk, you're Australian. This is how we do things in this country (or the current Administration anyway).

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2008 09:51 PM

Righteo,

so Vinny the Boss wants a second opinion, he walks over to the mirror, and says to Vinny the Vice-President, "What do you think?" to which Vinny the VP replies "That's a great idea boss!".

Smiling, Vinny the Boss starts to walk away, as he's leaving Vinny the VP reaches out and pinches Vinny the Boss on the a$$. "Hey!" Vinny the Boss says as he looks around nervously, "Be Careful! If Danny catches you doing that, we'll BOTH get fired!"

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Incredible, the Dolphin blog doesn't know what they're missing!

They have no idea!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 29, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

New threads were doing a hundred and ten
This certainly was a race
For LaCanfora to upset The Owner
Would be a big disgrace
Jasno musta wanted to wind Dan up
As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep)
"I'll show him that my Redskins team is not for Blogs to scorn"
Beep beep beep beep
Dan Snyder went beep beep

* Sorry, there's no new post, I just wanted to use this song *

Help!!!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

But seriously the reason I asked, is because if/when Vinny does get it wrong, maybe he won't get all the blame, because he'll be able to blame it on the President of Football Operations -

http://www.terrywilson.com/ImagesTLW/zippy1%20copy.jpg

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

How do I switch this thing off?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

You drink a massive amount of Port and wait until it switches off by itself.

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

here is why i agree with Jason Lacanfora statement as to Cerrato era has just begun think about it the skins never had a GM now Cerrato is the GM which means that he can't go under the radar and blame anyone else for his incompetence anycoach he picks he's responsible for any freeagent he picks no matter what position he's responsible for it if it works he get the credit if it doesn't he takes the blame samegoes with the draft picks this is Cerrato team now the noly question i have is that how much time is Snyder willing to give him to either succeed ot fail that is the question that needs to be answered. here is another how come snyder didn't make this move a lot sooner.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 29, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Why do we even need a head coach? Save a few bucks by making Vinny the figurehead head coach, and let Blache and Zorn call the plays. Kind of like the Gibbs II arrangement.

Posted by: cakehydrant | January 29, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

As my mentor said when he became an "Executive Vice President" instead of merely a "Vice President": My VP-ness is bigger than yours.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 29, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@heisted547

Ummm....the Redskins Season Ticket Waiting List was standing at 155,000+ less than 2 years ago......

I hope the BooBirds give up their season tickets.....

Not only will my seats improve, but we'll get real fans in those seats who bleed Burgundy and Gold.

Posted by: goosedude | January 29, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Feeling so tired, can't understand it
Just had a fortnight's sleep
I'm feeling so tired, Ow! so distracted
Ain't hired a coach all week
I'm feeling drunk, juiced up and sloppy
Ain't snubbed the team all night
I'm feeling hungry, can't see the reason
Just ate me a man-boobs pie

Yeah when you call my name
I salivate just like Snyder's dog
Yeah when you lay me out
My racquetball partner beats me louder than a big bass drum, alright
Yeah, you got to mix it Vinny
You got to fix it must be love
It's a b!tch

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy, heard you did some Australia Day celebrating!!! Nice work champ!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

He keeps his Moet et Chandon
In a pretty cabinet
'Let them eat cake' he says
Just like Marie Antoinette
A built-in remedy
For Danny and Vinny C.
At anytime an invitation
You can't decline

Caviar and cigarettes
Well versed in etiquette
Extraordinarily nice

Oreo pizza, 'sween
Gunpowder, ice cream
Writer for the silver screen
PDiddy will blow your mind
Anytime
Ooh, recommended at the price
Insatiable fan appetite
Wanna try ?

To avoid complications
He never tipped the same amount
In conversation
He spoke just like a viscount
Dislikes a man called Snyder
Wished Skins had another owner
And you could all agree
If you're that way inclined

Diddy came naturally from DC (naturally)
For cars he couldn't care less
Fastidious and precise

...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I think I've killed the blog - or at least any attempt at sensible (football related) conversation.

I bid you all goodnight.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 29, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Night Redcoat! Love your work!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow Redcoat...just wow :)

kost, I'm an honorary Aussie. I'm just practicing for ANZAC Day.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 29, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy, haha good stuff! Let me know if you end up coming down, it could the closest thing I get to an RI meetup!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, I see that Snyder and Cerrato have mobilized their stooges to post comments defending the indefensible. Let's face facts: this organizations has been a disaster since Snyder took over, and it shows no signs of changing for the better.

Ok, geniuses, Cerrato is in charge with Snyder the puppet master pulling the strings in the background. Let's just sit back and see how they do next season. The proof is in the pudding. Based on past performance, I see no reason for optimism, but hey, let's see what they've got.

We all hope they succeed, and if they don't perhaps eventually they will pay the price of falling attendance and plummeting income. That's the only thing that can make Snyder pay attention and do what is necessary to put a winning team on the field. Good luck.

Posted by: piovino1 | January 29, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

You know, I expect the Skins to keep Bill Lazor.

I just can't imagine Zorn not having a Lazor by his side.

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 08:56 PM

And in moments of crisis, they will combine into Laz-Zorn to win the day.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 29, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I can see them running around in Power Ranger costumes now!

Posted by: kost52 | January 29, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I have read all of the bad things Mr Cerrato has done. I have read all of the bad things that the owner has done. Has anyone pointed to any of the good they have done?

What about the tragedy that hit the team this past season, didn't the owner do some good there?

What about the players that Vinny has brought in that has been worth a damn (Montgomery, Golston, London Fletcher)?

What is it, those guys don't count cause someone else wanted them?

If Gibbs had not retired the team may have finished 9-7 agian (they may have also gone 10-6, he retires after the 2008 season as the contract stated and changes would have been made anyway. The changes just need to be made early.

One more thing, all of Jason LaConforas guys never want to have their name attached to things they say. It's always sources, or NFL execs, or long time NFC East execs.

I do believe that all of this guys post are biaseed against the team, adn they will be even if the team does good.

I am not quoting sources. These are my feelings after being a football fans for over thirty years. Some of the posts that people leave here are laughable at best.

Posted by: lilagram | January 30, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Ummm....the Redskins Season Ticket Waiting List was standing at 155,000+ less than 2 years ago......

I hope the BooBirds give up their season tickets.....

Not only will my seats improve, but we'll get real fans in those seats who bleed Burgundy and Gold.

Posted by: goosedude

This is a laughable one. We never never had 155,000 wait list. If you hope this "which you don't" why are you trying to stop people from giving up there Tix by implying, it will do no good ,and they will never get there seats back.

I think Dan has enough 'real' defenders now and the death threats have stopped so the PR guys can go home know. OK they may not be that smart but still Dan can save some money.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Redcoat, that's some stuff.

I've gotten back my ability to laugh at the Skins saga, so this was well-timed.

Posted by: farstriker | January 30, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Meeks is the best candidate. This staff we have is better than the one we had for 4 years. Game manegment has been horrible. Saunders system needs a smart veteran QB that was never going to work. If they keep the same team with this coaching staff, we will be good. Asumming meeks gets the job. Fassel is trash. Spagnola and Mcdaniels are first year coordinators, way to inexperienced to be a head coach.

Posted by: smartfan | January 30, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh for crying out loud. Does anyone use their noodle anymore?

• Why would anyone think Williams would successfully reign in Saunders when Gibbs could not do it. One could see Saunders plausibly deferring to the legendary offensive-minded Joe Gibbs, but Saunders deferring to defensive Gregg Williams? Not on your life.

• I don't know why Byner got a two year deal. But he's getting a one year deal now because everyone else has one year left on their contracts. And when the new staff has a year under their belts, they'll probably want to change some of the lower-level guys. It's SMART to keep them all on a one-year deal. It's good for Byner, too. He doesn't know who he's going to be working for. He might not want two or more years under the new system.

• You can't pin the assistant-before-coach hiring on Vinny. He was promoted too late in the hiring process to have had 100% effect on that move. He certainly had input, but it seems to me that those wheels were in motion before he was named the big fish.

• Everyone faults Saunders for expecting his players to adapt to his system, rather than do what good coaches do, which is to adapt the system to the personnel. So how does it come to be that the expectation is that Campbell will have to adapt to the Zorn WCO? Maybe, as a former QB and a former QB coach, Zorn will know enough to adapt his system to his 6' 5" quarterback. Or maybe it's at least worth giving him that little bit of benefit of the doubt. I don't know much about Zorn, but he strikes me as a smart guy when it comes to QB. If he didn't think Jason Campbell could excel in a Zorn offense, I doubt he'd have accepted the job. In many respects Campbell IS his job.

• There was never going to be offensive continuity. Period. Get that through your heads. Saunders was going to be gone this year. Snyder wasn't happy with him. Gibbs wasn't happy with him. And I don't see him playing OC to Gregg Williams. Gibbs, yes. Williams is too much of an equal in his eyes, and I don't think he'd have wanted to endure Williams hobbling his playbook. That leaves defensive continuity. And guess what? You got it. Blache is the DC exactly as he would have been under Williams. And guess what else, even if Snyder had hired Williams, if he didn't KEEP Williams for three years plus, that same continuity goes right out the window. So if Snyder felt he could work with Williams for even petty personal reasons, he was RIGHT to let him go now and get someone in ASAP whom he could work with long term.

The sky is not falling. Sheesh.

Posted by: jvwright | January 30, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat

You da man. We need to get some anti snyder songs going after the skins go down 17 points.

jvwright

Why not have a castrated Head coach so Danny could play grown up. Dan needs to sign checks and shut the hill up.

Things are just that bad. You just said in effect Danny is running the football show. (we have a plan) You think it is not that bad, many on the blog think it is the end of all that is good.

You do know he tried to bring in Rex Ryan and the 3-4? Also JC would have been in year 4 this year and 3 years in the system.

In NFL world -
Saunders > Zorn
Williams > Blache

In Snyder world -

ego > all that is decent


Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

I would like to get the first female head coach. I know football is a male sport but it would make a splash.

On her way out next year story leaked to reporters.

"She was a total B***H, therefore she had to be replaced by Art Shell. Also she could not utilize Reggie Bush properly and we gave up 5 draft picks in the trade."

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

mul -

"Why not have a castrated Head coach so Danny could play grown up. Dan needs to sign checks and shut the hill up."

He's signing checks bigger than almost any other owner, and he hasn't been saying a darn thing.

"Things are just that bad. You just said in effect Danny is running the football show. (we have a plan) You think it is not that bad, many on the blog think it is the end of all that is good."

They're not bad or good. All I'm saying is that we won't know until we see how the team does on the field. Everyone wants to scream bloody murder, but there's absolutely no call for it.

"You do know he tried to bring in Rex Ryan and the 3-4? Also JC would have been in year 4 this year and 3 years in the system."

Uh. Ok. First, you assume Ryan would have run the 3-4 here. Even if he had, so what. Again the proof would have been on the field. And JC would ONLY have been in year 3 of this system IF Saunders stayed. Saunders was unlikely to stay regardless of who got the job.

"Saunders > Zorn"

Maybe. Zorn hasn't been an OC. Maybe he does really well. Saunders was nothing to write home about. The offense sputtered under him, especially with Campbell at the helm. We'll know the answer to this in December.

"Williams > Blache"

Williams was NOT going to be the defensive coordinator. This was likely going to be Blache's side of the ball anyway. You can only fairly compare Williams with whomever becomes the HEAD coach. And you know what, I bet you Blache's defense is every bit as good as Williams was.

"In Snyder world - ego > all that is decent "

Snyder has an ego. But he's ALSO tried his best to put this team on top. He's signed huge checks, brought in people he thought would help us win (INCLUDING JOE GIBBS) and he was EXTREMELY decent to his entire team during the Sean Taylor tragedy. He's not the perfect owner, but I just cannot fathom the venom that's directed at him for no good reason.

Posted by: jvwright | January 30, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

- On hiring assistants before head coaches: Approve -
Given the timing of the situation, with other teams look for quality assistants that have new head coaches, they had a choice hire some assistants they thought were good or risk having a poor selection available for the new coach when he was hired. Or they could have made a hasty decision on the new coach and cause a bigger problem than they already caused.

- Saunders and his system: It is a good system and it worked here -
When Collins was the QB it worked great. The problem with the offense was Campbell being inconsistent with his throwing accuracy. When he has time to throw and the receivers are open and he misses them often enough to stall the offense, its not the problem of the play that is called. Some folks on here say that JC's biggest asset is his deep throw, but he missed far more and by alot than he connected on. He has to be more accurate to excell in any system. He is a good athlete and hard worker, hopefully he can become more accurate on a consistent basis.

- On the New Offense: Not only a problem for JC-
If they try and put in an entirely new offense, which it seems they did when Saunders joined the team, that will cause a huge problem because the whole offense has to learn, practice and perfect running these plays against other teams, not just the QB. If they are sensible they will keep what worked from the old and transition into the new. They should know this, but it seems that was ignored when Saunders first arrived.

- On Gregg Williams: Should have hired him-
The Redskins sell tradition team unity, sticking together, having the best coaches. This was a team that had bonded together internally and with the community. They had chemistry which is very hard to find. The culture of the team was one of hard work and selling out on game day. This was a football team. not the loosely knit group of players whose self interest was held above that of the team. Gregg Williams could have continued that, by not hiring him they risk losing all the progress they have made by giving the impression they are selling a false bill of goods to players and fans.

Posted by: pat5387 | January 30, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

"... All the best QBs today Brady, Manning, Favre, Romo (sorry), et al all have one thing in common...they get the ball out quick. ..."

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | January 29, 2008 04:07 PM

Brady has all day to throw. We need a better O line. Continuity would have been nice, but it's over now. The players will not be excited about this. That is bad. Fassel? I don't hate him, but it's like having toast for dessert. The whole dynamics have changed for the worse...Maybe they should just clean house at this point...players and all. Can anyone tell me what is so special about the WC offense? Is that what NE is running? That's what they should be aiming for, not Seattle's O. What a waste of 4 years, down the tubes, burned instantly. Will he never learn?

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | January 30, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

On a philosophical note.

How do we know what will happen.

We never know sometimes there are rules or laws such as in physics. I drop ball it hits ground at a speed and time that is 'known' predictable and repetable.

In most of human relations it is analogy and history. We know people with Big egos and kiss ups. From the outside it looks like VinnyDAN. Analogy

History - Always uses some analogues reasoning and induction. VinnyDan F things up ending with the ball coach, again I don't want to go over everything. Gibbs comes in "things are way better" we even forget how bad things used to be. Exit Gibbs and oh look Vinny is the GM, Why! Williams gets stabbed in the back on the way out despite all that went on this year (class to classless). We have the most pathatic coaching search I have seen outside Oakland, even Zorn wanted to stay in Seattle by all accounts. So some thinking people assume that we are in for more Jeff George and company. Vinny can scout, Danny can spend. But there is a lot more to running football team. Have they learned? No so far. Will he learn, is football filled with supper smart people. No.

That is where we differ. We downers put more stock in the past and similarities to near past and project into the future. But we don't know. However we don't have to wait. Bush was very predictable after 2 years. Danny no less so after 9.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

What's so special about the west coast offense? Well, for starters Joe Gibbs never used the wc offense but both times he left his offense was replaced by it. Last time it was a complete misfit and Pettibone was fired after one year. The
'skins had significant injuries but followed a 9-7 playoff season with 4-12. This time, time will tell. The likely situation is we have a "dead coach walking" situation and if big chin Bill is willing he'll be coach in 2009 as all the one year contracts will be up. Total overhaul...unless we somehow make the playoffs with both sides of the ball adapting to two new systems and showing they can be effective.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 30, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

I like puppies :)

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Jla looks like Snyder :)

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Good news, I saw a dog today

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

A new thread would be nice. Thanks jm for keeping us up to date on the latest and greatest.

No news is good news?

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

jm220, "Carroll No Longer Serious Redskins Candidate"

For what it's worth, I never considered Carroll to be a serious candidate for the job.

I would guess that the prospect of working for Danny and Vinny reminded Carroll of at least some of the reasons he dumped the NFL after a brief but solid HC run. Coaching at USC probably feels pretty good relative to that. Plus he's being remunerated pretty handsomely, I believe.

So... at least five more days until we find out who our coach is?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Anyone but Fassel. Anyone but Fassel. If I keep saying it maybe it will come true. Anyone but Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Might as well just post this and get it over with. Nobody out-laughing stocks the Cowboys. I hate to think what Redcoat will do with this, if he wakes up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrINA2iLD8M

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Anyone but Fassel. Anyone but Fassel. If I keep saying it maybe it will come true. Anyone but Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 08:15 AM

RI critics pan ties to Fassel?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"... All the best QBs today Brady, Manning, Favre, Romo (sorry), et al all have one thing in common...they get the ball out quick. ..."

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | January 29, 2008 04:07 PM

I'm sorry but please don't ever put Romo in the same category as the other three. No quarterback looks good when he can't be protected. Everything starts up front, you've got to keep your quarterback standing upright.

Kurt Warner used to be on that list. Then his protection broke down and he became a fumbling, interception machine. He got his protection back and he's a comeback player of the year candidate.

Posted by: psps23 | January 30, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow, just scolled through some of the posts last night....all I can say is some people should never, EVER, reproduce. Anyone who called for the team to trade Campbell, or thought that the team screwed Campbell, just amazes me. I'm shocked that someone with this frame of mind, could turn on a computer, let alone type..

All I want to know is when is the team going to trade Portis/Cooley, and Campbell?? That is the only way that we're going to get better.

Glad to see some regulars posting this morning, and RC, nicely done last night, you missed your true calling in life....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

RC, nicely done last night, you missed your true calling in life....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 08:37 AM

Indeed. He should drop all that silly technical stuff and start writing for the Capitol Steps.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what Cerrato has ever accomplished other than getting up Snyders backside like a champ.

JC now has his 8th OC in 10 yrs, we might as well draft a new QB in the draft because similar to Ramsey, we have ruined another talented player.

Look at all of the successful teams in the playoffs and what do you see, consistency in coaching. (albeit the chargers but that was a fluke)

Posted by: rschotta1 | January 30, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

JC now has his 8th OC in 10 yrs, we might as well draft a new QB in the draft because similar to Ramsey, we have ruined another talented player.

See my thoughts above about not reproducing please.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

SMACK/Greg, I'm blushing. You flatter me.

SMACK, that clip is way beyond parody. Romo needs to 'shut up and drive' for a while, it would do his career a whole heap of good.

I finished my six presentations at 2am last night. I was trying to inject some 'interest' into a bunch of really dry subjects and I suppose it just got the creative juices going....

Luckily marketing isn't always just 'putting lipstick on a pig', even though that can be quite lucrative as PDiddy knows!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I've read enough! Some good points til I could to the post by "eauzmendi", who's this guy? Washington's run when Collins took the ball in the Bears game til our sound pounding of the Cowboys was no fluke! It was a hint at what the Saunders system and some basic execution can look like when we don't turn the ball over and lose momentum! The Seahawks were able to get to our QB because of our weak right side O line, and our skill players didn't step up and make the catches early in the game! Otherwise we are at Lambeau! Our twerp owner is no football man, and his "VP of football Ops" gets only tepid support from the likes of Rick Walker ("well at least I've seen him out scouting other teams!), not exactly a ringing endorsement. Snyder has NO personal experience winning on the gridiron, say like Jerry Jones who actually played the game! And now these guys are DECIDING on the future of our Burgundy and Gold!

He's been a regrettable steward of our team and I put him up there with the detestable owners of recent time such as Peter Angelos.

Savor What was coalecing with that below freezing game against the Bears through our extremely gratifying beating of the Cowboys !Because the chances of that happening again or very, very slight!!

Jimmy V

Posted by: jv_cfpllc | January 30, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

SMACK! - A-ah - He's a miracle
SMACK! - A-ah - He'll save every one of us
Just a fan with a fan's courage
He knows he's nothing but a fan
But he'll never layoff
No one but the pure in heart, can
Help the Cowboys win in a playoff

oh oh oh oh....

More to come, I expect.... Apologies to any I miss.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone who has watched Snyder completely shread the Redskins legacy not be pessimistic about the coming season? Especially when the coaching search has been handled in the typical ham handed Snyder fashion. The Snyder apologists may be correct to recommend a 'wait and see' attitude but the past performance of Snyder makes a favorable outcome highly unlikely. Laughable if you ask me.

Snyder has screwed us without the benefit of dinner or even a kiss.

Posted by: splitbill | January 30, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Photographs of fancy tricks - to get your kicks at 02116
He thinks of all the beers that he sips
And all the Pats fans he's going to fix
He gave a little flirt, gave himself a few more goodies
But there's no place here for those cut-sleeve hoodies
He loves to cheat, 'cos it gives him a woody
They call him Billy when he looks more like an Austin
I don't want to go to Boston

Oh no the Pats don't move me
Even though I've seen Tom Brady
I don't want to check his stats
I don't want to see Matt Light's tatts
I don't want to go to... Boston

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

RC, you're killin it today....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Everyone keeps on talking about the impact of a West Coast offense on JC - let us not forget that the O line on ALL West Coast offenses is dramatically different than what we have now. Just where o where will we have the resources to stock up on pulling guards?????!!!!! We need help at WR as well, not to mention D line.... IF we had kept the old system, at least the O line would have fit the scheme. Now even they are not suitable should we go West Coast!

Posted by: oldnova | January 30, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I hoped you'd like that one Greg, the rhyme for Boston is a bit weak though. Perhaps you can improve for me.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Mooch will be named our new coach by Tuesday...

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 30, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The great coaching search continues wearing everyone down. Williams is gone, as is Carroll with Meeks and Fassel still lurking possibilites. A work buddy still insists it will be Cowher that Dan will put his $$ on the table and that will be it. I think the signs now point the way to Mooch, Vinny's guy. How nice and reassuring to know that the great Vinny is making the big calls for the skins.

Posted by: n6797p | January 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

What about the players that Vinny has brought in that has been worth a damn (Montgomery, Golston, London Fletcher)?


Uhhhh.... those were GW's guys ....

Posted by: oldnova | January 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Do you know ytou can rearrange the letters in Snyder and come up with Angelos?! Really! You can!

Posted by: oldnova | January 30, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Mooch will be named our new coach by Tuesday...

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 30, 2008 09:27 AM

-------------------------------------------
very misleading post. the fact that you have a link suggest something to that effect is stated or even hinted at in the video.

i watched it this morning before i came to work and NOTHING in the video suggests he will be our coach by tuesday. In fact, to me it seemed Mooch was just wanting attention so he can put his name out there as a possibility to be a coach. he's marketing himself. To snyder specifically, but to all other teams who have coaches on short leashes in 2008.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 30, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

RC, are you kidding me?? I couldn't come close to doing it justice. I mean, other than Austin, I can't think of much that rhymes with Boston.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

For the PDXers:

We yearn to win at home, but our only home is bone
How sleepless is poor Nate knowing that Vinny's on the throne
Danny sees the bone, the bone
His stadium has no dome
His stadium has no dome

And so I'm going down to Stumptown
Portland's a friend to me
Stumptown Chris beneath the ocean, that's where I will be
Beneath the waves, the waves
And that's where I will be
I'm gonna see Redskin Willie beside the Stumptown sea

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

There's creativity in everyone Greg, give it a whirl.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

i cannot believe that someone would even bring up the fact that brunnel played west coast off. so what he is horrible. i think he was the worst thing gibbs did by getting him here. he was an overpayed qb. also hopefully portis will learn to lokk beyond following his blocks next season. he could have done a lot better if he looked for openings like he use to do.

Posted by: rls1041 | January 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Libra and my name is Danny
Now I like a coach that's quiet
A coach who carries himself like Joe Gibbs
A coach who would bring on Jason Campbell
And he would say, "Danny, yeah"
And if you fit that description
This is for you especially

Mmm take my hand
Come with me, baby, to FedEx Land
Let me show you how sweet it could be
Sharing racquetball with me, I want you to...

Coach, coach on
Coach on, coach on

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

test test test test test
test test test test test test test
test test test test test

Just checking whether I still got any haiku in me.

Note to RC: Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry? I mean, at least Culture Club had style ... but QUEEN!?!? Could have been ANY decade (Sween Police by Cheap Trick, Sween Weaver by Gary Wright, Sween Emotion by Aerosmith, Sweenzer by Phish, Innocent When You Sween by Tom Waits, No Sween till Brooklyn by Beastie Boys, To Know Sween is to Love Sween by BB King, Been Caught Sweenin' by Jane's Addiction, maps, such as), but QUEEN!?!?! You Jimmy Buffetted me friend, you Jimmy Buffetted me.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I have often typed on this blog before;
But some comments always stayed inside my head before.
All at once am I Several stories high.
Knowing I'm on this blog where Cindy lives.

Dan cut down the trees in his mansion grounds,
Can you hear her voice in any other part of town?
Does Skins info pour Out of every door?
No, it's just on this blog where Cindy lives!

And oh! The Redskins are reeling
I know we all need a beer.
Yet, the overpowering feeling
That any second you may suddenly appear!

I really wish I could stop this.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Addiction, maps, such as), but QUEEN!?!?! You Jimmy Buffetted me friend, you Jimmy Buffetted me.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:03 AM

Yes, gotcha! If you don't like it, fight back. There ain't no news anyway. :)

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"that brunnel played west coast off. so what he is horrible. i think he was the worst thing gibbs did by getting him here. he was an overpayed qb."


Brunell was defining acquisition of Gibbs 2.0.

He was washed up at Jax and no one else in the NFL wanted him. Yet Gibbs FLIES to Jax to sign him to a HUGE contract. Gibbs stuck with him so long to prove he was right about the guy.

Every fan now knows Gibbs is an excellent coach but should share his Lombardi trophies w/ Bobby Beathard.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to repeat but I couldn't resist...

Cancer, and my name is Vinny, huh
And I like a coach
That does everything Dan says
Because I love everything about Danny
And you know what, coaches?
If you feel that this is you
Then this is what I want you to do

Ooh, yeah, take my hand
Let me fly you Maryland
Let me show you how sweet it could be
Taking the blame for Vinny, listen

Coach, coach on (You better coach for me now)
Coach on, coach on (Coach on)

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm a lover, not a fighter ("You might be a lover, but you ain't no dancer"). Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the attention ... and on the preferences of Queen generally (not that there's anything WRONG with that), I can abide. Its just that their crap music is so pedestrian and designed for mass consumption ... it could have been written by Mao Tse Deng. But the thing that irks me most about Queen was Freddy Mercury's novelty gag teeth. http://flashyourstache.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/freddie_mercury.jpg

Sometimes, I let the intergoogleweb tubes do my talking for me. I'll find one for you, Coat.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Gibbs have to leave the Lombardis in the custody of the team? I'm guessing nowadays he'd have a hard time getting them by TSA in his checked luggage.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Did you guys hear that Roy Williams is going to be taking Sean Taylor's spot in the Pro Bowl?!?!?

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps I'd better stop, I think I may have killed the blog.

Again.

Shame, I've got them stacking up in my head....

Maybe I need a different job?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I see how it is, sween, you're going to malign Queen and specifically Brian May's glorious, bombastic Rock songwriting whilst championing Steely Dan?

How about a nice therapeutic haiku sesh?

Haiku predictions for the Super Bowl. Go!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Super Bowl Sunday!
The world is indifferent...
Who's playing again?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Someone start talking about how Ramsey's poor little courage was damaged by Coach S in 5...4...3...2...

Posted by: sams3 | January 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Redcoat, I just want to show you how I feel. See, this guy has some red in his coat ... plus he looks like Jimmy Buffett ... notice the fashionable mustache and jaunty tip o the hat. This is my homage to redcoats. http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/21132.jpg

Nate, we all know what YOU think about Steely Dan ... but some of us still like the bit about the Cuervo Gold and the fine Columbian making tonight a wonderful thing. That's all I'm saying.

Will return with SB haiku shortly. [The treehouse appears to be broken.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

yo p1Funk, are you a p-funk fan????? cuz i higly doubt you could rival my knowledge and fandom about the P. but it is pretty cool that u like them too!!!! fly on, and if you can suck my soul i will lick your funky emotions!!

Posted by: jmc2007 | January 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think Coach S tipped of little Ramsey's bike when he was riding in the street. He told mom but I guess that wasn't enough.

Posted by: sams3 | January 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Brady in shotgun
Giants show blitz, ball is snapped
So is Brady's leg

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Who needs the Kwik-e Mart?
I Dooooooooooooooo........

Posted by: dlhaze | January 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/darrellgreen/

#28 has a blog??? Sorry if somebody already linked to this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Pats running to left
Hole is almost as wide as
Gap in Strahan's teeth

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Redcoat, I just want to show you how I feel. See, this guy has some red in his coat ... plus he looks like Jimmy Buffett ... notice the fashionable mustache and jaunty tip o the hat. This is my homage to redcoats. http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/21132.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:24 AM

Actually 'sween, that's a picture of Mark (from the Future). Didn't you notice the name of the jpeg file?

I'm sure he'll be in high dudgeon at you 'outing' him so to speak (not that there is anything wrong with that) on RI like this.

That said, you've also now blown the outfit I had planned for the first large-scale RI get-together. With beer.

Thanks a bunch. Now I have to comb the Freddie Mercury back catalogue for a whole new look...

What do y'all think of this one?

http://www.dailyredundancy.com/images/freddie_mercury.jpg

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Eauzmendi The "so-called" Redskins fans as you have denoted us are fans who are tired and annoyed that a team that we followed, routed for, planned our weeks around, and made pilgrimages to see has been so mismanaged in recent years that we are at a breaking point. I too have read this and other comment blogs the last few months. And there are few if any who want the Skins to fail. The fans who like myself call for an economic boycott are just exercising our rights as consumers. If you go over the economic realities and performance of NFL teams this should jump out at you. Snyder bought the Redskins in 1999. Patriots hired Belichick in 2000. Since then the Patriots have WON their division 6 times. They have as we all known won the Super Bowl 3 times. Why comparing the Redskins to the Patriots legitimate? Well the Patriots have the most expensive ticket in the NFL. Second place in that contest goes to the Skins. Ok. But the Fed Ex holds 92,000 and Gillette holds 68,000. That creates more capital for the Redskins to put themselves in better contention to return to glory. And yes I want the Skins to succeed!!!! So guess what teams is the most profitable. In 2006 it was the Redskins. Its PROFIT was $108 million. Think about that next time you shuck out for a beer, a hot dog, and a pretzel at fed ex. $108Million!!!! The NFL is big business but the second place in profit rankings for the NFL made around $51 million profit. Golly....you would think that for all that money that the Redskins make and therefore Danny makes there would not be the repeated mistakes. Let see Patriots and Indy both perhaps the sterling mark for the NFL in the last ten years have had the same GM and Coach for almost all of those ten years. Huh?
When Indy was looking to rebuild in 1997 so they hired a Team president/General Manager. BTW the guy they hired had been responsible for putting together the Panthers players that went to the Superbowl two years after they were created. The Patriots hired one man as well. So WHY SHOULD REDSKINS FANS NOT EXPECT danny TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN HIMSELF? Cerrato has no credentials to speak of. So instead of me spending the thousands of dollars that quite frankly danny throws away on his Madden Football teams, I will keep it. I fully expect to be in front of my TV. But having gone through the Heath Shuler days, the "leave the coach out to dry," Petitbon Season (BTW still love Petitbon's Capital Defense etc.) and then every year thereafter I think I have every right to say I am a Redskins fan but I will not take it anymore. I will not mindlessly take my paycheck and hand over part of to a someone who will just use it to redecorate his mansion.
If enough of us did this, guess what happens, danny realizes he needs to bring a product to us that we are willing to pay for (Market economics.)
This is not a college team so Boosters, fans, and the players themselves have no sway on the owner but the dollar does. Make danny take responsibility for his incompetence.

Hail to the Redskins - But BOYCOTT THE SKINS!!!!

Posted by: Hank4 | January 30, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Super Bowl hosted
Winner in Arizona
But never the Cards

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Look at those gorgeous choppers on Freddie! Iconic, that's all you can say about that.

And come on, the dude had one of the greatest voices in the history of Rock. I can't make it through one verse of stinkin' Steely Dan without getting nauseous over those crap vocals. I do not care for Steely Dan.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

http://www.darrellgreen.com/request_talent/fees.html

Mark Brunell is going for the same rate as Darrell Green? Who'd want that limp noodle speaking his guts out at a grand opening or graduation?

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I do not care for Steely Dan.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 10:38 AM

I always thought it humourous that a bunch of ugly guys named their band after a marital aid too. Maybe they hoped it would sway the argument with the ladies?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Nate, your defense of Queen is getting dangerously close to a cheeseburger in paradise. Re: crap vocals, do mean lyrics or voice? As in, those crappy voices of Donald Fagan or Michael McDonald. You have made yourself perfectly clear that you do not care for the band named after a dildo, but your defense of the band named after ... (not that there's anything wrong with that) ... besmirches your music cred.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Dave Barry had a great column about the naming of rock bands. My favorite was "Stomach Content"

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Watched the video of Mooch on NFL Network. He struck me as a guy with one huge Ego, a trait he will surely also see in his two new bosses, Vinny and Dan.

Posted by: n6797p | January 30, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree, sween. Let's move on.

Haiku time.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Hank4,
You have every right to stop spending on the team....can you explain how this theory has worked for any other teams in the past? From what I have seen, when a local economy becomes unprofitable, an owner who does not want to sell (i.e. Snyder) will move the team to another city that looks like a money maker. The league is really drooling over putting a team in LA.......it just worries me that Snyder is stubborn enough to move, rather than sell, or even make changes to his "entourage".....

Posted by: dlhaze | January 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Don't like the Giants
Or the freakin' Patriots
We all lose this one.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Big Game means one thing
(Well, with ads, alot of things)
Last Sunday. With beer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

If you can't love Queen,
You have no musical taste.
Listen to Britney.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The Giants and Pats
Play for Super Bowl greatness
I'll be playing cards.

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Why watch this weekend?
"Best" team meets other "best" team
We meet new head coach

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Steve Mariucci
No one out commentates him
Get him a head set

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ABF - anyone but fassel

Posted by: pat5387 | January 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

How many of your children can say this

"Snyder you ruined my childhood."


Mooch is just using Snyder. Lions to skins, no way only Art Shell would make a move like that.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Man-boobs or flapjacks
However you say his name
Is a Redskin no more

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

OMG

John Edwards is dropping out of the race at 1 p.m.. And Rudi out as well.

I think we just got to more candidates for head coach. Update Jla

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

ooops..last line should have just been "skin"

I was thinking... Giants fans are coming out of the woodwork... my neighbors, my co-workers, my students... all of a sudden everyone is a Gint. I started to judge but then realized if the Redskins ever went to a Super Bowl, how many losers that gave up on the team and never spent another cent for Danny boy would be flooding the streets and singing their praises and wearing their Riggins/Green/Monk jersies... I think things would be far uglier in the Ol' D.C.

Posted by: Dorf | January 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Libra and my name is Danny
Now I like a coach that's quiet
A coach who carries himself like Joe Gibbs
A coach who would bring on Jason Campbell
And he would say, "Danny, yeah"
And if you fit that description
This is for you especially

Mmm take my hand
Come with me, baby, to FedEx Land
Let me show you how sweet it could be
Sharing racquetball with me, I want you to...

Coach, coach on
Coach on, coach on

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 09:57 AM

Very funny, Redcoat! Now that's old school!

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 30, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, I'm thinking that those so-called Giants fans are really just Pats foes who need to pick a bandwagon to jump on for the weekend. You know, join the office pool, become a weekend football fan, eat wings, drink beer, ask about what the refs hand signals mean, wish there was a Simpsons episode on, maps, such as

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, perhaps given that the Pats appear to be somewhat universally hated, people are grasping on to the G-men.

All I want to know is why haven't the Redskins traded Campbell, Cooley and Portis yet?? Dammit!!!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze
If this were a team like Detroit Cleveland or Atlanta whose financials are closer to the bone then I would concede that there is an outside possibility of a move. But the Redskins are still in the top five of all professional sports for worth as a team. (That is including soccer teams like Manchester United.) So is there a remote chance yes. But with a 50+ million difference in profit between the Redskins and the next team it would make little sense for a move if there was an economic hiccup for danny.
Also I am a realist in Redskins fans wait 18+ years to get season tickets and then will them to their children and the NFL is enough draw that FedEx will not be empty and fans will still go to the games. I am hoping that there are enough people who feel as passionately as I do about the Skins and that through their not buying the "Limited Edition Official Cooley Jersey" (Version 3, this time with pink tiger stripes for the ladies) etc that the petulance with which the ownership runs will end.
In a dream world every NFL team would be like Green Bay (A publicly traded company.) Then such petulance would never occur. There would be accountability and teams could not leave for greener pastures. But instead of voting my stock share to change the course of the Redskins I can only vote with my dollars. Will $50+ Million dollars vote the same way over the next year, I doubt it. But if say $10 did along with a note or letter saying until you hire a GM I will not be buying anything you sell maybe danny would. Maybe.
The sad part here is that in the end all of my grousing and belaboring these economic points can be counteracted by one thing.
Winning.
If he succeeds and he rights the ship congrats!!!!
But every year we win the offseason, we win the manage the salary cap, we have a positive training camp, we believe we are winning it all, we start of slowly, we stumble, the lack of depth is exposed, the offense hasn't gelled, the lack of foreword vision is demonstrated, we make a run, and then we go home in the first week of the playoffs. I have seen this show before. Send a message to them. BOYCOTT THE SKINS!!!!.

Posted by: Hank4 | January 30, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Daniel Snyder ... Manchester United ... maps, such as ... I don't remember whether anybody posted this back in October.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=490008&in_page_id=1951&in_author_id=345

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

From the "this is just getting ridiculous" file:

From http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

"Some are speculating that the Redskins might be considering a run at Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who could be inclined to move on if his team secures its fourth Super Bowl win in seven years via a perfect 19-0 season."

Posted by: steinre1 | January 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Nate's secret theme song is "Reeling in the Beers"?

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Steely Dan - Donald Fagen and Walter Becker
Doobie Brothers - Michael MacDonald

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Throwing away the steins?

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

stein, thats just irresponsible reporting....BB just signed a contract extension. PFT seemed to be turning the corner somewhat, but stuff like that just makes them an internet rag....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Okay, I'll be quiet now.

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

tafka, Nate and I are agreeing to disagree, but you are suggesting some non-mutually exclusive information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_McDonald_%28singer%29

steinre1, I saw that too ... and it occurred to me that I lost interest in the coaching "search" after the discontinued Williams. Like the news that Pete Carroll was no longer a "serious" candidate ... it didn't even phase me that he might have been a facetious candidate. As an RI blog with the attention span of a hamster on HGH (hamster growth hormone), I am no longer able to stay focused.

hiring rulz
searching drulz

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

stein, thats just irresponsible reporting....BB just signed a contract extension. PFT seemed to be turning the corner somewhat, but stuff like that just makes them an internet rag....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 11:35 AM

Hey, I said it was ridiculous. It just goes to show how crazy the skins have let this process become...

Posted by: steinre1 | January 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Danny Boy, the King
Got the Vinny in his ear
West Coast. Fissile Clouds.

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 30, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How does what PFT does, make the skins look bad? I don't see the connection?

PFT is throwing stuff at the wall to see what will garner hits on their website. Nothing more. This doesn't reflect on the skins at all...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Not Mariucci
Not Fassel, Caldwell, not Meeks
Tommy Lasorda!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Very funny Redcoat - I have been too busy to do much more than scan the posts, but I did catch your comment on the picture.

Here is the real me:

http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/vcs/dennert/archives/miniature-donkey-0015.jpg

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 30, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

tafka, sounds like you ought to review the "Yacht Rock" series, which explains how all those groups intermingled. Required viewing, my man.

And thanks for getting "reeling in the years" stuck in my head, dude :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

" ... PFT is throwing stuff at the wall to see what will garner hits on their website. Nothing more. This doesn't reflect on the skins at all ..."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 30, 2008 11:45 AM

Agreed, its mostly a reflection on the stuff, as well as the wall at which its thrown.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

How apt that Mark from the Future is also a clock!

http://www.arpclock.com/Hermle/21132.gif

(borrowing joke from Redcoat)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

No doubt Michael McDonald was the Sting of his musical generation. Duly noted that he seems to have already been a Doobie Brother when he was doing the SD backup vocal work. Must have been part of the LA studio scene in the 70s. (I also remember him popping up with other groups singing backup as well, and the random vocal in commercial advertising.)

The Royal Scam? Sounds like a Dan Snyder theme song.

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

With all these rumours, only one thing is true, the danny will be spending more money to get what he wants. This means we're going to be paying too. Be prepared to bring quarters to the games next year. You're going to need it if you want to go to the bathroom!

Posted by: flancaster99us | January 30, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

More from PFT

"POSTED 11:16 a.m. EST, January 30, 2008
BROOKS NOT HIRED, YET
Contrary to a report from Len Pasquarelli of ESPN.com that Larry Brooks has been hired to coach the defensive line in Washington, a league source tells us that Brooks has not been hired -- and might never be.
Per Pasquarelli, there is an "agreement in principle." Though the explanation might now be that there was an agreement in principle that later fell apart, it's our understanding that there wasn't even a tentative arrangement.
The move raised eyebrows because Brooks spent two seasons on Steve Mariucci's staff in Detroit, and was out of football in 2007.
________________________________________
"

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I don't have time to respond.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 30, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

ok is my time out from yesterday over?

To defend PFT somewhat they also called the Belicheck rumor ridiculous and it was part of a post about meeks/fassel/mooch, not its own blurb....

they are the TMZ of pro football...big fat grains of salt at all time, but good fun, and usually more right than wrong...

the more interesting thing on there is that Brooks deal, as reported by Lenny P, is not done and may never be.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

*** Hopefully helpful tip for relatively new folks up here

First off, welcome!

I notice that a LOT of folks appear to be posting comments under the User ID which is automatically created by default when you register. This is the part of your email address before the @ symbol. For a few reasons I can think of, you might prefer to post comments under some other name, a nickname or "handle" or whatever.

It's pretty easy to do this: log out of the site, register again, and this time, enter a fake email address with the nickname you want to use before the @ sign. Like this: "mynickname@fakeemailaddress.com."

Blog etiquette would suggest you select a nickname which is not already in regular use on the site. This system also doesn't allow spaces, so if you have a multiple-word nickname you_can_use_underscores or you can run your words together, as you can see in my name.

All you need to remember to log in again is that fake email address and password. And all the RI comments you enter will be attributed to the nickname you created -- the first part of that fake email address.

The first time you post under the nickname, if you've previously posted under another handle, you might mention it, for those of us who like to keep track of such things.

Happy blogging, people. Keep it respectful, keep it fresh, keep it funny.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Nate you forgot to tell them to always say F Chris Larry.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

No Fins, want Skins, too near and too far away,
Big money, this Sunday, went to 'Zona and commentated all day,
Price hike, Dan like,
Just as long as the team don't go on strike

It's a crack, I'm back yeah standing
In the FedEx shouting out,
Moochy I'm ready to coach
I'm back and ready to coach
From the FedEx shout it out
It's a crack, I'm back yeah standing
In the FedEx having it
Moochy I'm ready to coach
I'm back and ready to coach
From the FedEx shout it out, shout it out

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

" ... The move raised eyebrows because Brooks spent two seasons on Steve Mariucci's staff in Detroit, and was out of football in 2007. ..."

I think this info (if true) says less about Brooks and/or Mariucci than it does about the FO keeping their story straight.

Brooks supposedly is Blache's pal. As DC, Blache might (on any of 31 OTHER teams) get at least one guy as an assistant.

The "company line" right now, however, is that the new head coach will have SOME (albeit minimal) say over the assistant coaches, esp. given that his coordinators already have been chosen. So Brooks has to be held at arm's length, at least to be fair to the Lazor family, who have been left in limbo until the new HC gets to "decide"* how and whether to keep Lazor as an assistant.

* Subject to veto by The Owner and/or the Executive VP of Racquetball Partnering.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Dangit, you're right, jm. Completely forgot.

You haven't really lived until you've effed cHRis LaRry.


F ChriS larrY

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

JM220, please don't make me whup yo azz

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Nate, the trick is to capitalize the "RI" in chRIs Larry.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you guys but I'm starting to feel used by this whole process.

Posted by: jeffhayes | January 30, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

by which I mean F chRIs laRry!

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Bring it CL! We all know you are the Vinny of the blog.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Bring it CL! We all know you are the Vinny of the blog."

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 12:14 PM

Best. Insult. Ever. Up. Here.

Posted by: dcsween | January 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

being the Vinny of anything blows ass

Posted by: jeffhayes | January 30, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

B E E P

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