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One Way of Crunching the Top 10 Picks

As the week progresses, teams -- and media shlubs -- will be trying to get a handle on the top third of the draft because everything else basically falls into place after that. With that in mind, here's a look at which players are likely to be gone by the time the Redskins pick at No. 13. It isn't a mock draft -- there are plenty of those; who needs another? It's look at the top-10 "locks."

At this point, barring a trade that upends the board, I cannot see the following players being there at 13:

Quarterbacks (2)
Matt Stafford - Probably first overall to Detroit.
Mark Sanchez - If Seattle is bluffing at 4, San Francisco and Denver are in play, and the Skins and Jets could move up.

Tackles (4)
Jason Smith - Seen as a safe top-five pick.
Eugene Monroe - Consensus top 10 pick.
Michael Oher - I continue to hear that he will be off the board by the 10th-to-12th picks.
Andre Smith - Attitude issues make him the best candidate to slip, but I still hear that's unlikely. He is the one guy from this bunch who I think has the best chance of being there at 13, but that's still unlikely.

Wide Receivers (2)
Michael Crabtree - First wideout off the board.
Jeremy Maclin - Too many teams at the top of the draft need his skills for him to be available.
(A third WR, perhaps Darrius Heyward-Bey, could slip in, but I'll commit to two.)

Defensive Tackles (1)
B.J. Raji - He is by far the best at his position and someone who is in demand among teams switching to 3-4 defenses. Although he may slip out of top 10, I can't see him on the board at 13.

Linebackers (1)
Aaron Curry - The top overall player on some draft boards, highly unlikely to slip out of the top four.

So let's say the Skins stay at 13, and those 10 players are off the board. That would mean that there are some quality depth and value players at the defensive end/pass-rushing linebacker positions, which happen to be spots they need to fill. One or two of those guys may well be gone by the time the Skins pick. Although opinions vary, let's say that Aaron Maybin is the first to go - he has some boom-or-bust potential but is drawing enough interest from top-of-the-board teams to make me think someone will snatch him. And if Denver doesn't take Sanchez, defensive end Tyson Jackson could very well be the pick at 12.

I think this group of players is too closely lumped together to include in the automatic 10, from what I am hearing. But assuming these two are gone, then it's safe to say the following players, of interest to the Skins, would be there at 13:

Defensive end/linebacker Brian Orakpo - Under this scenario I think he would be the pick.

Linebacker Rey Maualuga - Of the three USC 'backers in this draft, he is the one I'd see the Skins taking this high. He could start on the outside and replace London Fletcher in a few years in the middle. Has a big-play mentality and although there are some red flags in his past in terms of character, that's not as much of a factor as it was when Joe Gibbs ran the show. They loved LB Jerod Mayo a year ago and this is certainly a position of need.

Now, if the Skins are on the clock under this scenario, I think they would try mightily to trade down, but I don't see many takers. And if they had to choose between these two players, I am hearing that they see more value in Orakpo (he was deemed a top-five prospect by some a few months ago).

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 21, 2009; 11:25 AM ET
 
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Comments

Orakpo makes the most sense in this scenario. Though the team still needs a long-term fix at RT and strong-side LB.

Posted by: Dellis2 | April 21, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

This is more like it. Some insight as to what may go on. Way to go!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

All this trade up for Sanchez, why not trade up for an elite Tackle?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So, is Vinny going to draft another punter this year?

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHAA. Worst. GM. EVER.

Posted by: thesquire2 | April 21, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Adam Schefter, though?? He's missing the whole offseason. I guess money is the end all of all as it would seems.

I know he is going to ESP of N, but I just can't see it. They don't seem like a good fit. Adam seems more professional looking. Like he is reporting for CNBC or something.

I think NFL Network should replace Schefter with Mark Maske. He is a very good NFL Insider.

Whaddaya Think Cindy?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

No! I will not let Maske go! While Adam Schefter is a very good reporter, you have to remember that he does indeed work for the NFL.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 21, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

No way Orakpo is still around at 13 to many teams need DE

Posted by: SKINSinPA | April 21, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

win/win Orakpo could be a nice player, and I would take him above Maualuga from what I've heard of the two players.

I'd rather see a OT slip to 13 though. Bigger need in my opinion

Posted by: showell81 | April 21, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Agree the chances of trading back are slim. There would have to be a coveted impact player available at #13 for the Skins to trade out and it doesn't look like anyone of that calibre will fall that far. Surprised he has Oher going top ten. Assuming no swaps, I think the Skins will have an opportunity for Oher or one of the LB/DE's.
No big splash here.

Posted by: bones21 | April 21, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Here is the Final Board for Vinny:

1. Curry
2. Ayers
3. Jackson
4. Crabtree
5. A Smith
6. Sanchez
7. Raji
8. Jerry
9. Butler
10. Moreno
11. Cushing
12. Wells
13. Maulauga
14. Laurinitis

(I also think they love Laurinitis too. He seems to work hard every play. And his dad was the ultimate professional at pro wrestling which is a serious job)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I hear that Michael Oher might be there at 13. Or that is what I saw on ESPN.

We can trade down at 13. I would like two 2s and a three.

Posted by: mul123 | April 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Truly, when John Clayton and Adam Schefter report rumors they are more than rumors.

Cindy, how do you like the new Burger King commericials? They really need to put the "King" out to pasture.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

No! I will not let Maske go! While Adam Schefter is a very good reporter, you have to remember that he does indeed work for the NFL.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 21, 2009 12:17 PM

Not anymore. He's going to ESPN once his contract is up in August. That's why he isn't on NFL Network anymore.

So they need to replace him with someone credible. And to me, no one in-house looks credible. Maske has the pro look for a TV Insider.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

We can trade down at 13. I would like two 2s and a three.

Posted by: mul123 | April 21, 2009 12:26 PM

What size fries and what kind of drink would you like with those?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

someway somehow we should get WR ramses barden. hes gonna be the next marques colston

Posted by: amsaul | April 21, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

4th,

The Road Warriors were awesome, I'm sure Animal gave him a great work ethic.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

We can trade down at 13. I would like two 2s and a three.

Posted by: mul123 | April 21, 2009 12:26 PM

What size fries and what kind of drink would you like with those?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:27 PM

A cup of 6 foot 3 USC goodness.

Posted by: mul123 | April 21, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I would be very surprised that no DE/LB would be off the board yet (other than Curry).

I see Macklin slipping or Sanchez. Maybe a OT... I guess the Browns hold the keys since they may need to replace Edwards which means they take Crabtree at 5. If they dont i see them going after the 3/4 hybrid Orakpo since Mangenius is from that tree.

I could almost see the doomsday scenario taking place... Sanchez and J Smith (bama) being there at 13... both of whom I wouldnt take....

Maybe we are smart enough to have a draft and trade worked out already if Sanchez is there... Vinny may just be sly enough to let beat reporters run with the fact we like Sanchez so that teams will trade up for him,....

Either way, i love the draft..

Posted by: Zeebs | April 21, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

This is more like it. Some insight as to what may go on. Way to go!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

This is sarcasm, right? Insight? The Redskins might take Orakpo or Maualuga... Or they might trade up for Sanchez or Aaron Maybin might still be on the board and OTs are a hot commodity.

This is what passes for insight? Here's some more; crayons left in the sun tend to melt.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 21, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Mangini won't draft Orakpo because he reminds him of Vernon Gohlston..

Fool me once, something something. Fool me twice, you may be the owner of the Washington Redskins....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Nice 4th

Posted by: Zeebs | April 21, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

RE: trade down
Maybe a team is so enamored of Knowshon Moreno/Beanie Wells that they want to jump ahead of the Saints, who are rumored to be after a RB, that they offer the skins a first and a later pick. If the fourth OT is still there at 13 that could offer a trade down scenario as well.

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Cleveland Reese's Peanut Butter Cups don't draft a top defender, they are perpetually doomed to top 5 1st round draft pick status. That defense was a creamy tasty experience for many an offense last year..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, out here in the Bay Area, when the draft comes, the media thinks both the Raiders and 49ers are seriously interested in OL. And they both pick ahead of the Skins.

49ers Singletary has been very clear that he is implementing a 'run first' style of play, similar to the NFC East. He's got a back in Frank Gore, so now he needs an OL

Cable, the HC of the Raiders is an ex-OL coach. Not that anyone has any say other than Al Davis, but the thinking is that its time to protect JaMarcus. Of course, the Raiders need lots of parts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

WoW!

Meter Worker Charged With Stealing $170,000 in Coins

By Allison Klein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:11 PM

How does someone steal $170,000 in coins? By skimming them from broken parking meters, police say.

An Alexandria meter repairman has been charged with doing just that and faces two counts of embezzlement by a public officer, police said this morning.

William J. Fell, 61, of Stafford County has been under investigation since earlier this year, police said. He was charged with the crime last week.

"He'd take a little bit each time," Alexandria police spokesman Jody Donaldson said.

City officials realized something was amiss when their parking meter revenue was falling short, Donaldson said. The city's Department of Transportation and Environmental Services and the Office of Management and Budget worked with police to investigate the case.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Spongebob made a huge career mistake when he signed on for those commercials with the king. What was he thinking?

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 21, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Adam seems more professional looking, like he is reporting for CNBC or something.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:15 PM

Hah hah. Joke up of the day. CNBC and professional looking in the same sentence. Like Jim Cramer actually has a clue about what is happening. Wachovia drops from 21 to 9. Buy, it's a bargain, and then it drops to 3! You could get better stock advice from Cosmo Kramer.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope he is still not on TV (Cramer nor Kramer). Maybe they can have their own TV Show? Cramer and Kramer. That would be some funny SJK!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Here is what I would do if I were the GM-- trade down out of the 13th pick with Detroit for 20 and 32 (and give up our 3rd and 2010's 6th rounder too).

Then we draft:

20- Alex Mack, C/G
32- James Lauranitis, OLB

Then trade next year's first for OT Phil Loadholt in the 2nd round.

BOOM- Use the 5th and 6th rounds this year to address DL and DB depth.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

So many possibilites! The anticipation is unbearable! Someone hit me with a brick and wake me up Saturday around 4pm.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd give it approximately a 0.0% chance that the Redskins draft a running back with the #13 selection.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If trading with Detroit doesn't work out, I still vote for trading our first next year for a 2nd rounder this year since the LB class is so deep. I'd go with:

13- Best available OT
2nd rounder- Best available C/G
3rd rounder- Best available OLB

I think a beast at SAM would take pressure of the DE position until we can address it next year in FA or the draft.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Someone hit me with a brick and wake me up Saturday around 4pm."

Someone hit me with a brick if the Skins trade next year's 1st...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to the Vinmeister, you pick the BPA regardless of positional need. So maybe you should add a +/- 1% to that...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Mark Sanchez - If Seattle is bluffing at 4, San Francisco and Denver are in play, and the Skins and Jets could move up."
Hasselblad is getting old but should be good for another 2-3 years. With both the Hawks' OL and DL in need of shoring up I would be very surprised if they used their 4 pick on Sanchez. Rajii would be a good pick for them.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Someone hit me with a brick and wake me up Saturday around 4pm."

Someone hit me with a brick if the Skins trade next year's 1st...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse


Really?? This team could really ball and make a legit playoff/ SB run with an extremely productive draft (though history would say that is unlikely). Think about our deepest holes-- the O-Line and at SAM; if we can grab our future center, right tackle, SAM, and get some depth at guard and CB in the later rounds, we could be really dangerous. And then next year we'd only need DE, CB, and continued G depth if Campbell or Colt pan out.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

trade the pick!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 21, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

BOOM- Use the 5th and 6th rounds this year to address DL and DB depth.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 12:53 PM

Yessir, Mr. Madden. How's retirement going, dude?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"And then next year we'd only need DE, CB, and continued G depth if Campbell or Colt pan out."

Great plan, except for that huge IF you have there. What if Campbell doesn't work out? Don't even bring up that Colt Brennan nonsense. The Skins made their bed with the Jason Taylor trade...they can't keep shipping off draft picks (that's what we call a vicious cycle). This year's draft is garbage compared to next year. Have some patience...once you see the 1st round talent next year you'll understand.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Understood, but 2010 is going to be uncapped and I suspect that the Skins will pull out the stops to make big FA splashes (Terrell Suugs, anyone?), so I think betting the farm now isn't too misguided. We're close now and I think Campbell is highly undervalued. You'll see.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, Cindy, Sponge Bob (SB) has been seen hanging around with Lindsay Lohan since she broke up with her gal pal. Word on the street is that Bob has developed a pretty serious plankton habit, and he's been showing up late to shoots, and smacking Phillp around on the set. What's next for Sponge Bob? The Betty Ford Center at Atlantis?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 21, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts or hopes i should say SNYDER is BLUFFING on SANCHEZ so everyone will think he his trading up to draft SANCHEZ and make the deal easier to complete when in actuality he will be trading up to grab OT JASON SMITH or LB CURRY!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"...so I think betting the farm now isn't too misguided. We're close now and I think Campbell is highly undervalued. You'll see."

Are you Snyder's nephew or something? I happen to believe in Campbell, but I'm not foolish enough to ship off a 1st round pick that would act as insurance. This team was 8-8 and last in their division, how are they close? One draft is not going to fix everything...keep future picks, they will need all of them.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

We'll have to agree to disagree then, Yodes! :) Anyone else who has been here a long time can tell you I'm far from being a Snyder fan, but I really think our team is in better shape than everyone else thinks.

I think a solid O-Line (aka- a new center, RT, and possibly at RG too), with increased production from last year's 2nd rounders and a new SAM would do wonders for the team. Sure, it's a lot of "if"s, but I've been known to drink the Kool-Aid every now and again.

Also, while I'm ranting-- how about moving Lorenzo Alexander over for OL depth? Seems like he won't have much space in the DL rotation anymore... just saying, it "worked" for Jason Peters (coming in as a TE, which Lorenzo played)!

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Everybody's talking about Mark Sanchez -- but is he a one-year wonder, like Akili Smith? As FootballOutsiders has shown in convincing detail, the single best predictor of success for an NFL quarterback is how many games he started in college. Remember Matt Blundin? Of course you don't! He was a one-year wonder at Virginia in 1991, his sole college season to start, when he threw 224 passes without an interception. A second-round choice of the Kansas City Chiefs during the next draft, Blundin was in the NFL for five years, and in that time compiled 15 passing yards and two interceptions. Beware of one-year wonders at quarterback.

Pete Carroll was mad at Sanchez because he expected Sanchez in red and gold for 2009. The quarterback broke an unwritten rule of USC recruiting -- that Carroll will support a star player who departs early for the NFL if the player has given back on the field, and if there is no doubt the player is doing the right thing for himself and his family. Thus, Carroll supported Reggie Bush's decision to leave after his junior year. Bush performed for the Trojans for three seasons, and there was no doubt that leaving when he did was the right move. There's considerable doubt Sanchez is making the right move, since he performed for the Trojans for only one season. A guy who wants to walk through all the doors in athletics that USC can open, then doesn't pay his dues on the field, isn't honoring the unwritten rule. Though Sanchez will get a big paycheck soon, where he would have received none in 2009 had he stayed in school, there's a good possibility his early departure will cause his lifetime earnings to decline. The fact that Sanchez had only one season of high-pressure college game experience reduces his odds of doing well in the NFL. If he cashes a big bonus check this year, then becomes a bust owing to inexperience, he will earn far less over the course of his sports career than if he'd played out the string at USC. So TMQ understands why Carroll was mad when Sanchez left early. Hey Pete -- next time, show recruits the exact wording of the unwritten rule!

TMQ-from espn.com

Posted by: saltine182 | April 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

So we grab Orakpo at 13, OG Angy Levitre in the 3rd, LB Robert Francois in the 5th, OT Alex Boone in the 6th, and tall tall WR Greg Carr (6-6) in the seventh.

I'm taking a guard in the 3rd because our starting right guard is 34, has a plate and a bunch of screws in his neck, and has injuries piling up. That, and Levitre played tackle in college, so he's versatile!

UFA's to sign after the draft if still around:

- Kevin Akins DB/ST/LB from BC
- G Paul Fanika (6-6 336 Az St.)
- OT Sebastian Vollmer 6'8" 312 (Houston)
- P Justin Brantly (Tx AM)
- FB Quinn Johnson or David Johnson (6-2 260+ each)
- CB/ST Greg Toller (4.37 40)
- DE/DT Everette Pedescleaux 6'6" 305 (N. Iowa)

See what they can do...

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is 17-20 as an NFL starter. Kyle Orton is 21-12 -- I'll take the guy who wins the game, please. Orton did play with a better defense in Chicago, but Cutler played with better offensive personnel plus the Denver home-field advantage. Though Cutler made the Pro Bowl, he finished 16th in quarterback rating, behind Seneca Wallace and Shaun Hill, while throwing 18 interceptions, second-worst in the league. Cutler's high school team was 15-0 when he was a senior; since then, in college and the pros, he's 28-55 as a starter. For seven consecutive seasons, Cutler has not been a winner -- while becoming a guy who cares about his stats and complains nonstop about the treatment he is receiving. Bad habits are easy to acquire and hard to break; how long until Cutler starts complaining in Chicago?

TMQ thinks the Broncos will be seen as coming out way ahead in this trade. Way behind? The Redskins, who publicly undercut quarterback Jason Campbell by trying to trade him and draft choices for Cutler, only to have the world find out the Broncos would rather have the workmanlike Orton. Like Cutler, Campbell is 17-20 as a starter -- yet Cutler is constantly praised and Campbell constantly criticized. Yet Campbell was the one who played behind a terrible offensive line last season, while Cutler was protected by one of football's best pair of tackles

More from TMQ.

Posted by: saltine182 | April 21, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"One Way of Crunching the Top 10 Picks". Jason La C. Dude. Your ship is docking! ESPN let you play at being the Skins' GM and you nailed that sucker. But now you have to do more than "crunch picks". That's what wusses do. You have to step up to the plate big time and make a bold call on Snyderatto. Summon up all your investigative reporting skills and tap into that source in Danny's inner circle that will give you the big scoop on what the Skins do on draft day. Once you score on this, your next gig will be at ESPN, prognosticating alongside the likes of Mort and Clay.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"I think a solid O-Line (aka- a new center, RT, and possibly at RG too), with increased production from last year's 2nd rounders and a new SAM would do wonders for the team. Sure, it's a lot of "if"s, but I've been known to drink the Kool-Aid every now and again."

I agree with all of that, I just don't think they should sacrifice future draft picks (especially next year) to try to fix all these things overnight. You're also assuming Vinny will hit on all his late round picks, which is very optimistic to say the least. I want as many 1st round picks as possible...harder to miss that way.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

This blog reads like the last dregs of a cup of coffee tastes.

Please wake me when Monday comes.

Otherwise, there ain't enough here to stay awake.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

4th,

The Road Warriors were awesome, I'm sure Animal gave him a great work ethic.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes they were! Most intimidating tag team ever when they were in their prime. I would love for us to get Animal, Jr. At many of the Ohio State games, the Buckeye fans would wear spiked shoulderpads to honor James Laurintias's dad.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 21, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I dont think we will come out way behind, because Campbell is a professional and classy and cares more about his team than his image, but I dont think it sends the right message to the entire roster.
We all know enough about the Ryan Clark, Robert Royal, Demetric Evans type situations that the front office pulls to undercut coaches who help develop these guys into starters.
Really, all the sucessful teams build through the draft, develop talent, and have stability on the sidelines. It's been said time and time again.
Keep Campbell, let Chris Horton play more, play to second year wideouts, take the growing pains, and learn from mistakes.

Posted by: saltine182 | April 21, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

SAY what you want about SNIDEY-MAN HE TRUELLY WANTS TO WIN AND IS WILLIN TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES UNFORTUNATEL HE HAS A BAD EGG IN THE BATCH RUINING ALL DEATH TO CERRATO!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for sure ... Golston and Brennan could be affected by this draft or not ... depending ...

If there is any team that will make 4 hours of really boring would be Danny and the Skins trying like heck to move up to get Sanchez. So, that Danny can make yet another terrible bone head move to later admit to some Washingtonian/Examiner writer. Snidely you eat out way too much, its the onset of sugar diabetes (think it runs in your family) you are starting to get dementia.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

HE HAS A BAD EGG IN THE BATCH RUINING ALL DEATH TO CERRATO!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009

Its definitely NOT Cerrato. He wants to win but by his own admission makes some really terrible bonehead mistakes as owner/GM/coach of the Washington Redskins.

Vinny wants to prove he is a master at finding and developing talent. He is going to want to trade down as they did last year. But his choices fared non too well last year. So, Snidely lept back in to take the helm. Snidely is his name, Pursuing "chick crack" quarterbacks is his game.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Just b/c none of the "top 10 guys" fell does it mean that the Skins can't trade back. How many teams were itching to get the 21st pick last year before the draft. Its not as if Sam Baker was a top prospect that fell. He just ranked that high on Atlanta's board. There could be any number of teams that could want to move up. Maybe the Eagles would want to get ahead of the Saints and draft a running back or the Pats want to jump ahead of the Chargers to draft Maugaula. There are any number of potential senarios that could happen. I think the 13th pick has plenty of trade value and the Skins will be able to move back if the want to (and they should).

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 21, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I am just glad to have an owner that tries. he does all he can . he has one flaw and thats puttin trust into vinnycerrato which i believe is on his last leg next year if these players dont step up which i beleive we will have a great year nfc championship game!! then cerrato will be out and we will get a real football mind in here in control of personell It sounds to me like you guys would rather have an oiwner like Kansas City who wont spend the money to keep there franchise players or spend the money to get top tier guys !!!


HAIL TO THE SKINS AND SNYDER!!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Just don't trade up for Sanchez. That's all we ask. Whether it's Orakpo, Oher or Smith at 13 doesn't really matter. Just don't waste picks moving up for yet another QB.

Posted by: drischord | April 21, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Just a hunch, but I think Snyder may have more than just that one flaw.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Just don't trade up for Sanchez. That's all we ask. Whether it's Orakpo, Oher or Smith at 13 doesn't really matter. Just don't waste picks moving up for yet another QB.

Posted by: drischord | April 21, 2009 1:49 PM

AMEN!

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I disagree PERRICULUM i believe you have it backwards i believe this whole snachez sh*t is smokin mirrors 1st of all.2nd i believe it is snider who is willin to do anything to win which includes listenin to a bonehead cerrato to fault cerrato makes these decision and syder gives him the helm cause he believes cerrato has a clue and yhes cerrato wants to prove to everyone he knows what hes doin noone wants to be the laughin stock of there organization or the NFL for that matter the problem is he is just not capable or compitent enough to do so!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I am just glad to have an owner that tries. he does all he can . he has one flaw and thats puttin trust into vinnycerrato which i believe is on his last leg next year

Does seem like Cerrato will follow Joe Mendes next year if they lose. Snidely has a hard time blaming himself for the Redskins trials and tribulations. Until years later when granting those ever rarer interviews.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

has any of you ever listened to cerrato speak he sounds like a 7 year old boy with alzheimers !!WTF!! get aclue cerrato

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

yeah that interveiw
was a bit of a joke periculum

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Just don't trade up for Sanchez. That's all we ask. Whether it's Orakpo, Oher or Smith at 13 doesn't really matter. Just don't waste picks moving up for yet another QB.

Posted by: drischord | April 21, 2009

AMEN!

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009

DITTO. No need to make more fodder for your memoirs. Take whatever you wish at #13 we know how you are ... just don't mortgage draft picks this year and in future years chasing the ever illusive "chick crack" QB.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

what a great equation
THE SYDELY-OWL $$$ + THE TUNA = SUPERBOWL

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree with all of that, I just don't think they should sacrifice future draft picks (especially next year) to try to fix all these things overnight. You're also assuming Vinny will hit on all his late round picks, which is very optimistic to say the least. I want as many 1st round picks as possible...harder to miss that way.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but if there is one bright spot in Vinny's draft history, it IS the late-round picks... in fact, I think 1st rounders have far more "bust" potential riding on them than a low rounder (see Horton, Monty, Golston, and H.B. Blades-- all guys taken in rounds 5-7). Our boy Morocco knows how to find gems in the late rounds!

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

its still coming down to basics. We need:

OLB, 1 who is above the rest

DE, none comes off as a sure thing

OT, 4 talents, not sure if any are overhyped

Skins mgmt should make sure they get 1 of those 5 guys. Trade up if necessary.

If the Skins think it is smart to move a DT (Golston or Albert) to DE, then DT becomes a greater need and BJ Raji becomes viable. Don't know if Golston or Albert could be, or should be, moved to DE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

disagree PERRICULUM i believe you have it backwards i believe this whole snachez sh*t is smokin mirrors 1st of all.2nd i believe it is snider who is willin to do anything to win which includes listenin to a bonehead cerrato to fault cerrato

Sorry dude, hate to tell you but you are so very, very wrong. Cerrato does not make the bonehead calls. That is Snyder. Cerrato may implement the mercurial edicts of his master but make no mistake, (BTW

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo or Maualuga

then Eric Wood C or Hermann Johnson G in the 3rd

would be a nice draft

another LB, CB, OL (best order) to finish.

NO qbs, wrs, rbs, k, p

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

what a great equation
THE SYDELY-OWL $$$ + THE TUNA = SUPERBOWL

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009

Never happen dude. Snidely would never cede all control to the Tuna. He could never stomach drafting an OT with the very 1st pick of the draft as Parcell's did last year.

Its not Cerrato. Every single expert disagrees entirely with your take. You pretty much are entirely wrong.

Smoke and mirrors? Snyder? He is always direct and completely transparent.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I would definetly not move PRINCE ALBERT to DE he is the best DT in the nleague why mess with that!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

yes last year we wine and dined the btrio b-4 the draft!!! sorry i forgot

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

NO qbs, wrs, rbs, k, p
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009

Could use a kicker though ... and a WR like Ramses Barden would be an instant starter / possession receiver. But he's not Snidely's type of guy. He is a hard worker, intelligent, and quiet.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I would definetly not move PRINCE ALBERT to DE he is the best DT in the nleague why mess with that!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009

Ahhm maybe because he mostly played that position with Tennessee last year? He was more effective there because he had to be "more disciplined" inside?

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

wow periculum i thought you had sum really good post eralier this morning but you just keep posting and more no offense but ignorant things cum out of yur mouth he is the best and had mor success at DT then any other DT in the league
you may move him around sum like tenesses did but he should primarily be in the middle to collapse the pocket like he is so good at we need another speed pash rusher on the edge to compliment him in the middle

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

he edfinetly played more DT than DE at tennesse

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter who we have at QB if he gets sacked another 40 times, we're still not scoring much. If we can't get some cavemen up front, then its all a moot point.

O Line is the biggest need IMO. We have bodies who can play at the DE position and the OLB position. Besides, if Haynesworth is really going to eat up 2-3 blockers every play, then our guys should get some pressure.

All in all. We need bigger, stronger, younger lineman. Unless Sanchez can block for himself, we'd be dumb to trade UP to get him. But then again, this is our beloved FO.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

O Line is the biggest need IMO. We have bodies who can play at the DE position and the OLB position. Besides, if Haynesworth is really going to eat up 2-3 blockers every play, then our guys should get some pressure

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AMEN!!!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The most worthless article of the day. The benefits of living in Great Falls.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042003203.html?hpid=artslot

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Trade down to get ALEX MACK, the beast C/G, and an OT in round 2. Get a SAM in R3. Don't trade any of next year's picks. No to Sanchez!

"It's inedible Grease, we're going to the Superbowl!" ~ Dexter Manley

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I would definetly not move PRINCE ALBERT to DE he is the best DT in the nleague why mess with that!

Posted by: all_this_bs

kind of my initial thought as well. But people have written that he spent time as DE in Tennessee. I don't know how effective that was. I thought Golston might be a better candidate to switch.

The Skins DL is about stopping the run, which is huge in the NFC East. I wouldn't object to having the equivalent of 4 DT type guys along the line. Daniels is sort of that guy.

Really shut down the run and force teams to pass. If healthy, could anyone run anything that isn't a sweep against a DL of Daniels, Albert, Raji and Golston? Wouldn't be easy.

It'd force other teams to be 1-dimensional, to attack the secondary.

Last year, the best unit on the team was the secondary ... and every guy back is young and should still be improving.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

MADERED sorry didnt get yur name in there

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

DIdn't selecting Horton in the 7th round teach the Skins anything. You can get great talent in the lower rounds. Trade down, not up for goodness sake. Get more picks. Don't trade your picks. Is this so hard to understand. The teams that do well get more picks. Forget Sanchez and forget picking at 13. Trade down and get an extra pick.

Posted by: dovelevine | April 21, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Skins DL is about stopping the run, which is huge in the NFC East. I wouldn't object to having the equivalent of 4 DT type guys along the line. Daniels is sort of that guy.

Really shut down the run and force teams to pass. If healthy, could anyone run anything that isn't a sweep against a DL of Daniels, Albert, Raji and Golston? Wouldn't be easy

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Posted by: zcezcest1

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i could agree with that in certain situations but not on an every down i am all for swithin people up and keepin the oppisitions offense guessin just not on and every down basis

p.s
i also dont think we need raji to doit we could doit with the mammoth montgomery instead

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell: So how was your dinner with Sanchez?

Jim Zorn: Who, what, err, it was fine. You know they have some really great food. Lots of good places to eat around here.

JC: I wasn't asking about the food

JZ: You know where else they have good food? Minnesota. There's some good eating in Minnesota. And they have great food in San Francisco. Really good.

JC: I wasn't asking about the food

JZ: Which cooking do you like better, San Francisco or Minnesota? Because I'll make a note of it and maybe it will come in handy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Our 3rd round pick is worth 190 points (according to the NFL Draft score chart). The difference between our pick 13 and a top 8 pick is at least 250 points. So, we would have to give away our 3rd AND a player or another pick, likely next years. We would be stupid to do this considering we need help at all OLine spots and OLB/DE. Throw in the fact that next year's QB crop should have at least 3 first rounders (Tebow, McCoy, Bradford) we would be out of our minds to trade up for Sanchez, give away more picks/players in the process and need to use practice squad guys and journeymen to round out the roster.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 21, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Dont think Raji is an option, we have four more than serviceable tackles, plus they are already moving Alexander to end.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 21, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

by the way am i the only one that thinks heyer could be an elite tackle especially at the end of last year he played really well on the left side would love to move samuels to the right and prolong his career move heyer to the left beside dockery and has anyone done any research on dockery younger brother who is a late round prospect at guard any input on if he could blossom into anything special??

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I still believe the Skins best bet is to trade down if possible. They can then draft one of the OSC LBs with their new 1st round pick--all 3 could fit as the new SLB. Then with what should be a new 2nd round pick, draft the best available OT--this years lass is pretty deep, so to find the next starting RT in the 2nd round is likely. With their 3rd round pick, they should look at depth at C/G--someone who could eventually start. With the later picks, draft depth on a best player available basis.

Posted by: jwat2410 | April 21, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Could we draft a GM at 13?

Posted by: BT23 | April 21, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Raji is one of those players that you don't "need", but is too good to pass up if he falls to you. One of the few prospects where BPA is the better value strategy.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I second that. Let's draft a GM with our 13.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 21, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"DIdn't selecting Horton in the 7th round teach the Skins anything. You can get great talent in the lower rounds. Trade down, not up for goodness sake. Get more picks. Don't trade your picks. Is this so hard to understand. The teams that do well get more picks. Forget Sanchez and forget picking at 13. Trade down and get an extra pick. Posted by: dovelevine"

It's a good strategy, but there are obstacles. Trading down in the first round is difficult; teams just aren't as anxious to get there, unless it's for a QB that's fallen some. And players pretty much run together from the middle of first round to the middle of the third. The fog clears a little after that, but Horton aside, it's very rare to get a starter out of the 7th round.

If you wanted to trade down, the best position to be in is three through seven. Everybody says Scott Pioli is looking for such a trade. That's the danger, that Dan will lose control and hock the franchise for that smooth-talking USC quarterback.

Let's hope he doesn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 21, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo won't be there - wake-up JLC.

Posted by: wagman1 | April 21, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

allthisbs: "by the way am i the only one that thinks heyer could be an elite tackle especially at the end of last year he played really well on the left side would love to move samuels to the right and prolong his career move heyer to the left."

I'm sure you're not the only one. but you're still in a minority. Heyer has way outperformed expectations for your typical rookie free agent, and he keeps getting stronger. Problem is, his main asset seems to be his versatility. He's not as good as Samuels on the left side, or as good a run blocker as Jansen on the right. But he's an able, willing fill-in for either.

I'm sorry to repeat myself, but I think moving Samuels to the run-leading right spot would likely shorten his career, not extend it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 21, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Dockery Rooting for his Brother on Draft Dat:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Dockery_Rooting_For_His_Brother_On_Draft_Day_33985.jsp


Derrick Dockery has a message for his brother Cedric, an offensive line prospect in the April 25-26 NFL Draft.

“Don’t come here,” Derrick said with a laugh.

Why not?

“He’ll try to take my job!”

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Day...doh

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm not much for expert opinions, but I did think this was interesting from Bill Polian, who put the current version of the Colts together:

"Pat White, he's an intriguing guy,'' said Colts president Bill Polian, whose opinions on personnel, based on track record, should count twice as much as almost anyone one else's in the NFL. "Here's a guy who can clearly throw the ball very well, and obviously is a great runner. Is there a role for him? We've already seen it with Slash [Stewart]. We've seen it with Antwaan Randle El to a lesser degree than Slash. The game has always evolved, so I would think it would continue to evolve.''

Interesting he mentions our own ARE as somebody who could run spread plays in the NFL...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Is pretty deep, so to find the next starting RT in the 2nd round is likely. With their 3rd round pick, they should look at depth at C/G--someone who could

Its time for Samuels, (too many serious injuries), to move right and extend his career. Its time to draft one of the better OT's in this draft and put him at left tackle. Prefer Andre Smith (because he is from Chris Samuel's alma mater and wants to emulate him). From the Skins perspective he could end up being a huge impact player because of the potentially huge effect he would have on the running game playing next to Derrick Dockery.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Traid our 13th pick + our VP to KC for their GM.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 21, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I actually think at this point in SAMUELS career HEYER is a beter pass blocker and can handle the left side and think jansen will serve a well reserve roll to samuels on the right and should HEYER go down samuels can move back left and jansen cum in at right think that could work 4 this year i still have questions at rt with thomas but i also dont see an immediate need to rplece rabach i think he is a good center not sure where all his criticism is coming from although we do need to adress our tackle situation just dont think that person necessarily has to be able to start day one or as long as what we have stays healthy shouldnt have to start at all this year and would love to see rhinehart get an oppurtunity this pre-season to showcase what he can do with the starters if anything but could clearup a lota answers about him!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Alex Mack, C/G, 6-4, 307.

"Alex has the toughness and tenacity coaches crave. He consistently plays to the whistle with his effort and technique second to none. Was an exceptional wrestler in high school and he has kept that mentality. He has excellent flexibility and it shows as he always seems to gain leverage on defenders. Snaps out of his stance and quickly engages defender underneath their pads. Plays with good knee bend and shows excellent strength, especially in the run game. Once he gets his hands on you you're done. Gives a good punch and consistently jolts the defender. Has a great anchor and is rarely seen being pushed back. A human bulldozer... Recipient of the Draddy Award, given to the nation's top scholar-athlete."

"Mack has a broad, good-natured smile and an upbeat, outgoing personality off the field. But on the field, he's as fierce as they come. He's a first-round talent who can flat-out maul his opponent or use his intelligence and technique to gain an advantage."

"Mack is the best center prospect to come out of the college ranks in quite a while."

"The sky is the limit for this guy and I think we will see him in many Pro Bowls to come."

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Dont think Raji is an option, we have four more than serviceable tackles, plus they are already moving Alexander to end.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer


I say we draft Raji, and install the "Maginot Line" defense in a single wing, sideline to sideline, 7 DTs in the box..NONE SHALL PASS!!

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

madered: "We would be stupid to do this considering we need help at all OLine spots and OLB/DE. Throw in the fact that next year's QB crop should have at least 3 first rounders (Tebow, McCoy, Bradford) we would be out of our minds to trade up for Sanchez, give away more picks/players in the process and need to use practice squad guys and journeymen to round out the roster."

News flash: at some point during the season, we're going to be using journeymen, probably on the field. And worse yet, they're going to lengthen the season, which from a medical standpoint, is already too long.

But you're absolutely right, the Skins would benefit from some depth. They thought they were getting it last year, when they had 10 choices, but somehow those choices just weren't ready. So they're entering the season with questions about guys like JT Tryon and Chad Reinhart. Now they're looking pretty deep at safety, where last year they were pitifully thin going into the season.

Wish we'd held on to Springs. I thought he'd make a great safety.

Once again I'm apologizing for repeating myself, but those 3 QBs next year don't look significantly better than the 3 that are hovering around in the first round next week. And one of them, Tim Tebow, looks not to be a first rounder at all.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 21, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

A little insight from Scott Campbell taken from Redskins blog

You talk about 'Redskins grades'. But you look across mock drafts, and there's a lot of similarity in who gets what grades from the prognosticators. How can so many different people, with so many different needs, look at all these guys and grade them out the same way?

Campbell: "I think it's often easy to see who the really, really good players are. That's not that hard -- most fans can watch and tell you who the best players are playing on our team right now. Who the best are at Virginia Tech, or over at Maryland. They can tell you that. So I don't think that's the hard part.

"What they don't have access to is the background information. They don't know who is hurt all the time. Who doesn't practice. Who is high maintenance, and who's the locker room lawyer. Who you can't give too much information to, because they can't learn it.

"The fans don't know all that, and that's what we've gathered from all of our research.

So does that make the biggest difference?

Campbell: "I think it can make a difference if you have two players rated the same grade, it definitely factors in. And those factors can push a guy down, depending on how important you deem them.

"Some teams, it may not bother, because they've had success taking riskier picks. Sometimes it's the personality of your coach. If your position coach has had a lot of success taking lazy underachieving players and getting it out of them, you feel confident doing that. If you haven't had success doing that, you're going to shy away from that kind of guy. So all of that gets factored in as well. Or maybe they play the same kind of system that you play, so it'll be an easier transition. So that can affect a guy's value as well."

Posted by: TWISI | April 21, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

All you see on the NFL coverage is how no one wants the early pics - but here JlaC is saying no one wants to trade down (up??)...

..hmmm... which is it?

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 21, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Could we draft a GM at 13?

Posted by: BT23

Best idea yet. Get Pioli or Polian or one of those guys whose name begins with a 'P' and i's and o's and l's (which leaves out pepperoni -- since he's got no 'l')

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 2:56 PM"

And that's the reason why I put Alex Mack on my personal "big board" for the #13 pick last week. He's an elite prospect. I would be very gruntled if the Redskins drafted him 13 overall (depending on who else is on the board). I'd take him over any of the USC 'backers and a guy like Robert Ayers as well.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article on smokescreens before the draft by Kirwan:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fe0897&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"I actually think at this point in SAMUELS career HEYER is a beter pass blocker and can handle the left side"

This has to be a joke, you are kidding right? Please tell me you are kidding...

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 21, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Samuels will have to actaully hit the grave before Hyer is even in his league.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 21, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

From the article above:

"Also in the '95 draft, we took tight end Kyle Brady in the first round. A team drafting right below us swore they weren't interested in him with their pick, but a young kid in the Penn State equipment room let our people know that this same club had called the day before the draft for his shoe size, helmet size and shoulder-pad preference. We felt like that information was solid and so we didn't move down in hopes of getting Brady lower in the draft, even though there were offers to do so."

a kid in the equipment room...amazing

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 2:56 PM"

And that's the reason why I put Alex Mack on my personal "big board" for the #13 pick last week. He's an elite prospect. I would be very gruntled if the Redskins drafted him 13 overall (depending on who else is on the board). I'd take him over any of the USC 'backers and a guy like Robert Ayers as well.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The man isn't even a first round talent and you want to take him at 13? I promise he won't be off the board until atleast round 2.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 21, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

And that's the reason why I put Alex Mack on my personal "big board" for the #13 pick last week. He's an elite prospect. I would be very gruntled if the Redskins drafted him 13 overall (depending on who else is on the board). I'd take him over any of the USC 'backers and a guy like Robert Ayers as well.

Posted by: psps23

_____________________

Yes - I'd LOVE to see us take this beast if we can't get 1 of the 4 top OT's... and hopefully, by horse-trading down, to also get a round 2 pick for an OT.

Sounds like Mack would also be a great team leader.

Then get a SAM in round 3.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have drafted at least 3 QBs since 2002 (Ramsey, Campbell, Brennan) and 2 in the first round. Enough already. TRADE DOWN or else just pick an O or D lineman. STOP THE MADNESS!

Posted by: dovelevine | April 21, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

All you see on the NFL coverage is how no one wants the early pics - but here JlaC is saying no one wants to trade down (up??)...

..hmmm... which is it?

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle

Didn't the Rams come out and say they were looking to trade down , 'bout a week ago?? If we got Curry, a Matt Stover-kicker, and the moral equivalent of Jermaine Lewis to return the ball, we'd be the Super Bowl Ravens with our bad-*ss D and kicker and kick returner..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

pleepus heyer is a animal at pass blockin he is not a better all around player as samuels but samuels is not a top tackle anymore yes he went to pro-bowl last year but that was based on REPUTATION NOT PERFORMANCE i love samuels but he is fading fast and heyer is rising fast heyer needs to improve run blockin but on the passing side look at the lasy 4 games last year and watch heyer the man was THE MAN on the left side and sittin there next to THE DOCK they could lock down the left side for years to cum
like it or not thats my oppinion and i believe it to be fact so .....

LETS GO TO THE VIDEO TAPE !!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell Alex Mack's agent that we get it. LOL.

Samuels is a perennial pro bowler. Heyer is a young guy with talent, especially pass blocking, but he's probably better suited as a backup. We need a starting caliber RT. People overlook the fact that both Tackles (not just the Left anymore) have to be very athletic...because more teams are going to the 3-4, and zone blitzing with very athletic DE/LB hybrids on both sides.

We can't get away with a guy like Jansen when teams are bringing people like Demarcus Ware, Justin Tuck, Umenyora, etc over to their side

If any of the Top tackles slip, take them. If not, take Mauluaga (sp) or trade back.

I'm not a huge fan of the first round DE. That's often hit or miss too.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 21, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"The man isn't even a first round talent and you want to take him at 13? I promise he won't be off the board until atleast round 2.

Posted by: Pleepleus"

Says who? Nearly every scouting report I've seen has him as a first round talent, only he's downplayed in the bottom of the round because of the position he plays. I could care less about that. Interior linemen are very important, and he's far and away the best prospect in that area. Would I take that at 13? Absolutely.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Rams come out and say they were looking to trade down , 'bout a week ago?? If we got Curry, a Matt Stover-kicker, and the moral equivalent of Jermaine Lewis to return the ball, we'd be the Super Bowl Ravens with our bad-*ss D and kicker and kick returner..

Posted by: frak

drinkin the same kool-aid -- 'cept I think Rock is just fine returning kickoffs. Punt returns, that's another story

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Have no idea who Alex Mack is, but I would consider taking an elite C with the #13 pick. From what's been posted, doesn't sound like he's that elite, however.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Why does Mel Kiper Jr think Mark Sandchez will fall outta the top 10 picks and to the Redskins at 13?

I guess he's too busy arguing with Todd McShay to correct his mock draft.

Posted by: Vicc | April 21, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Todd McShay and Kiper are filler space for ESPN and ESPN radio. I don't trust either of them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

somnetimes its helpful to base your thoughts around a specific team. For example, what will the Skins need in order to compete with the jints?

The jints are strongest on the DL, meaning the Skins OL is going to need a major upgrade to compete. Or, the Skins defense is going to need be an elite defense to keep the jints from getting points.

As of now, I think we're closer to the elite defense. So that's the direction I would take with my top pick. Then hope our #3 turns into another Russ Grimm and a couple of free agents become Jacoby and Bostic. It happened once ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Mack is 21 overall on Kiper's big board... and in round 1 on many people's boards. Many saying he's the best C prospect in 10 years... for what it's worth.

I'm just saying I'd love to see the Skins trade down to get him, but like psps, I'd take him at 13 if the 4 OT's are gone, and I'd definitely take him over those USC LB's.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Loving all this talk about Alex Mack!

I've said it before, and here it comes again: Best draft outcome I could hope for has us trading back to the mid-late20's in the first round and picking up an early second rounder for the move.

1. C Alex Mack 6-4 311 (Cal)
2. RG Duke Robinson 6-5 330 (OU)
3. OT Phil Loadholt 6-8 332 (Ok)

Then I go light a cigar...

The whole right side of the line is rebuilt in one year with a massive road grating group of beasts. They could all be starting by October. We can run better, throw better, control the clock better, wear down the other D better.

What the hell do we need a new QB for with that O line? And if Campbell can't deliver next year, our new QB in 2010 will have a great line to work behind.

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Some people will be watching the draft this weekend. Not me. I'm doing this.

http://www.momentumriverexpeditions.com/Illinois-river-rafting/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Z - you are a lucky basrt@rd!

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Nice, i had a friend who was not paying attention when white water rafting. We went over a level 4 rapid and he got shot out of the raft (went abut 5 feet in the air and landed in the drink.

So keep your head up zcezcest

Posted by: alex35332 | April 21, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

1. C Alex Mack 6-4 311 (Cal)
2. RG Duke Robinson 6-5 330 (OU)
3. OT Phil Loadholt 6-8 332 (Ok)

Then I go light a cigar...

The whole right side of the line is rebuilt in one year with a massive road grating group of beasts. They could all be starting by October. We can run better, throw better, control the clock better, wear down the other D better.

Posted by: edvar

What I like about Edvar, is he's got a plan. A cohesive thinking process. 2009 draft is about rebuilding the OL. Nothing more than that.

Me, I had that thought in 2008 and 2007 -- since that was the time to do it.

In 2009, with the addition of Albert, I'm going the elite defense approach. Draft Curry.

Still, I'd rather Skins mgmt think like Edvar than to waste time on Sanchez

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice, i had a friend who was not paying attention when white water rafting. We went over a level 4 rapid and he got shot out of the raft (went abut 5 feet in the air and landed in the drink.

So keep your head up zcezcest

Posted by: alex35332

I'll do my best ... sometimes you wind up just trying to hang on by your toes ... and it doesn't always work

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

as long as we dont get sanchez in the first


DUKE ROBINSON for our 3rd round pick

Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 21, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

DUKE ROBINSON for our 3rd round pick

Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 21, 2009 3:44 PM

Long gone by then, brother!

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Why does Mel Kiper Jr think Mark Sandchez will fall outta the top 10 picks and to the Redskins at 13?

Kiper does not believe that Sanchez will last beyond the top 5. Has said as much in his top 5, top 10, etc. Why then does he place Sanchez with the Skins at 13? Because he absolutely knows for sure that Snyder will attempt to move heaven and earth to move up and select Sanchez. Snyder loves making splash bonehead mistakes. That destructive borderline personality disorder coming through again and again.

I guess he's too busy arguing with Todd McShay to correct his mock draft.

Kiper and McShay agree mostly. What they and Mark Mosely don't agree on is that the Skins would be so stupid as to again make a monumentally stupid move with the draft. They don't want to believe it but ... they do. Mosely the BEAST-master is going to interview Vinny today. We'll see what comes of that.


Posted by: Vicc | April 21, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'll do my best ... sometimes you wind up just trying to hang on by your toes ... and it doesn't always work

With all this rain the Cheat River is probably grading out to 5 and 6 level rapids. Lots of fun. Lots of rafts tipping over. Lots of "paddle or we're all GOING TO DIE!!!"

Excitement, adventure, behhh a Jedi does not quest for this ...

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Rams come out and say they were looking to trade down , 'bout a week ago??

Indeed they did. Worried more about the salary/salary cap ramifications they were. Interesting how we never hear much about them and Snidely Owl. There's your misdirection, your "smoke screen". Going with the Rams instead of Seattle to foolish squander MULTIPLE PICKS on SANCHEZ when they could pick a Stafford, a Curry, a Jason Smith, an Andre Smith ....

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Edvan, it would be great if they could pick 3-4 OL in this draft who were potential starters. Even if the defense stayed the same they should improve their record.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

level 6 (aka class 6) = Niagara Falls. Great Falls is considered a 5+ ... to some!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If we trade up to get Sanchez that will be a stupid, idiotic move that will set our franchise back 5 years! I'm sick and tired of other teams pillaging our draft every year because Dannypoo has the "hots" for some player. If Sanchez were in the draft next year, he would probably be a 2nd round pick. Next years draft looks to be deep with QB prospects.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 21, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Mcshay has us taking:
1 - Maybin DE/OLB PSU
3 - Troy Kropog OT Tulane
5 - Dannell Ellerbe ILB Georgia
6 - Matthew Slauson G Nebraska
7 - Graham Harrell QB Texas Tech

My take, my opinion only on these mocks:
1 - Maybin - no way, terrible pick, we have two Maybins on the roster right now in Wilson and Jackson. If we stay at 13 and we make a pick it better be a Tackle or Maluaga a true linebacker not another tweener, we have those.

3 - Kropog - if we didn't get a tackle in round 1 then I'm fine with this pick although I'd prefer Loadholt if he's there

5th - Dannel Ellerbe - while I like taking LB late, I'd prefer an OLB but I also think we could take a starter at C here in the 5th and hope they look at a guy like this guy http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24713&draftyear=2009

6th - if we took Maluaga early, a guard here is great if not, OLB please

7th - Graham Harrel? What? we have one project QB already we don't need another.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 21, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Heard this morning that the Eagles really want Moreno and are willing to trade up to ensure they get him. Any chance they call the skins if they get wind of someone else who wants Moreno

Posted by: jayandcat | April 21, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

That's why I don't trust McShay Jack. Maybin has a JT55 body and we were being ripped by JLaC and a few others for having him. Why would we get a light weight?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Depends on the Jets-Do they go Knowshon or QB??

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 -

Luigs would be a pretty interesting pick up at Center/Guard. I don't think he'll be around in the 5th round, but he'd be a great value catch if he were.

Posted by: edvar | April 21, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

heres aleft field thought how about the #13 pick moreno or wells? would definetly help portis stay on track cum december instead of being beaten down and would open our passin game upcause everyone would have to really respect therunnin game even more then they do what a one to punch wow not to mention portis doesnt have much left on those wheels especially if he has to play the next 2 yrs like he has the last 4 he will be dun in 2

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

(I also think they love Laurinitis too. He seems to work hard every play. And his dad was the ultimate professional at pro wrestling which is a serious job)

Posted by: 4thFloor

How serious a job can it be if Mickey Rourke, Gorilla Monsoon, and Haystacks Calhoun can do it?

Posted by: TheCork | April 21, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

i personally think he has lost 2 steps already(portis)
he has made a safety or (the last guy to beat)miss in the last 2 years he has no home run threat what so ever still good for hi yards just cant break one

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

You'd just have to walk in their shows to find out........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION:
i personally think he has lost 2 steps already (portis)
he *hasn't* made a safety or (the last guy to beat)miss in the last 2 years he has no home run threat what so ever still good for hi yards just cant break one

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm going for RB in 2009

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"1 - Maybin - no way, terrible pick, we have two Maybins on the roster right now in Wilson and Jackson. If we stay at 13 and we make a pick it better be a Tackle or Maluaga a true linebacker not another tweener, we have those."

That's about equivalent to saying we already have an Andre Smith on the roster in Stephon Heyer and a Deangelo Hall already on the roster in Justin Tryon. Please, please, please don't compare a first round talent to complete projects like Wilson and Jackson. It's one of the dumbest arguments you could make.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

heres aleft field thought how about the #13 pick moreno or wells? would definetly help portis stay on track cum december instead of being beaten down and would open our passin game upcause everyone would have to really respect therunnin game

You want the rest of the BEAST to respect Portis and the Redskins running attack? Their passing? Then you do what the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles have done you draft YOUNG offensive linemen, offensive tackles in the 1st round or you trade for them. Then you think about a Moreno. That's what your hero the Tuna is doing in Miami. Why isn't a good thing to do in DC?

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

all_this_bs :
We wuz hit with the double-whammy of Ladell and the O-line getting the injury bug all at once around week 9 last year-this had a massive influence on the offense, as you know. Teams get hit with the voodoo injury curse all the time and get knocked outta contention. Let's just pray to the Treemaker that this doesn't happen again, but let's build up the team where it counts, IN THE O-LINE TRENCHES, we shall be suckas no more...

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

That's about equivalent to saying we already have an Andre Smith on the roster in Stephon Heyer

Ummmm NO INDEED! Is Heyer like a Joe Jacoby, a Jim Lachey? Is he even a 40 something Ray Brown? NO.

Andre Smith could exceed all the players listed above if he can learn discipline and technique. Best bet to do that: in Washington with his role model Chris Samuels.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see what Division II or III punter and/or place kicker they waste a draft choice on.

Posted by: richw38 | April 21, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I think another thing to consider is what player slips and who will want him. That may open the possibility to trade down. Even if Orakpo is available, which I don't think he will be, there should be other teams that covet a player with his abilities and the team should be asking what would they be willing to give the Skins in exchange for the pick. At issue is still the salary cap space and trading down may make sense in any scenario where there isn't an OT available - simply because the skill level at pure linebacker or pure defensive end is just not that different in the second round (assuming the Redskins get a second rounder or two for their first - they could trade straight up for Brady Quinn for all we know).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 21, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

i agree we need sum depth at OL but if the top 4 our gone why waste that pic on subpar OL when we could get a top runnin back which may not be the position of need but you bet yur ass it will be in 2 yrs but it would also help out significantly this yr and then get sum guard help in the 3rd with a loadholt and between heyer jansen and samuels and a lil luck with sum health we could push through 2009 and then pick up our tyoung experience tackle of the future in the uncapped free agency next year .......
i dont know just one mans humble opinion might not be the smartest way but i think it could make us a better footballl team this year and not waste a draft pic this year on a sub-par OL or waste future pix to trade up for SANCHEZ !

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

That's about equivalent to saying we already have an Andre Smith on the roster in Stephon Heyer and a Deangelo Hall already on the roster in Justin Tryon. Please, please, please don't compare a first round talent to complete projects like Wilson and Jackson. It's one of the dumbest arguments you could make.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

From Scouts Inc:

Run Stopper 3 Spent a lot of time last season working head-up on the TE as PSU's strong-side DE. Shows discipline with backside containment. Stays low and fights to keep his positioning. Can stack versus most TE's but gets washed out too easily by bigger OT's when they get into his pads.

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

To me, that sounds just like Carter, Wilson, and Jackson, and not worth the #13 overall pick to hope he's a better pass rusher since our defense is predicated on stopping the run.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 21, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What do you guys think about moving THE MAMMOTH MONTGOMERY to RDE at least on running downs with GOLSTON and PRINCE ALBERT in the middle and then JACKSON BUZBEE passin downs (WILSON will most likely be at LB)

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Some people will be watching the draft this weekend. Not me. I'm doing this.

http://www.momentumriverexpeditions.com/Illinois-river-rafting/

Posted by: zcezcest1
________________________________

That's excellent ZCE... I used to spend all my time whitewater kayaking (learned on the Potomac), I raced K-1 slalom, have run loads of canoe trips in West VA... great that you'll be out there in the froth.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Back to the running back thing we should trade portis for a 1st round or a second and third then draft MORENO or WELLS with the first with BETTS as a 1/2 punch then draft ALEX MACK with the second our 3 robinson if still there and loadholt if robinson not there maybe a lb/de/or cb

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 21, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Nope... Build the O-wall FIRST and then our RB's will all look like Gale Sayers or Eric Dickerson or (insert name)...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Would the Pats trade their three 2nd round picks for Portis?

I think not, but hey, if they did-- I'd be all for it! I'd get Moreno at 13, then pick up the best available OLB, OT, and C/G in the 2nd round.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Portis bulked up so he could be a longer lasting Emmitt-type, and yes it slowed his burst somewhat..He's still pushing the NFL record, and last year, even with a massive workload caused by injuries to himself, Ladell and the entire O-line (seemingly) , he still ran well over 1400 yards, without any life threatening injuries to the knees..We are going to CARRY PORTIS INTO THE RECORD BOOKS AND THE HALL OF FAME, what are you smokin' (4-20 was yesterday)..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This is by far the most spot on article regarding the Redskins in a long, long time...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155419-fleeced-by-the-washington-redskins

I know I'm not the only one that feels like this! I hate Dan Snyder.


Posted by: tcerand | April 21, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

frak,
don't get me wrong-- I love Portis.

But the reality is that he has 2-3 years left on him, tops, before he becomes a liability. If the perfect opportunity came to jettison him that could yield 10 year starters on the O-Line and LB corps...? Yes, please.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Did 'Skins Tell Cutler Shanahan Was Next?
Posted by Mike Florio: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:12 PM
At a time when rumors continue to make the rounds that Mike Shanahan could end up being the next coach of the Redskins, another rumor has wound its way to our doorstep.

There's talk that, during the Redskins' conversations with quarterback Jay Cutler regarding a potential trade that would have brought Cutler to D.C., Cutler was informed that the Redskins would next be targeting Shanahan.

We assume that the pursuit of Shanahan would have commenced after the 2009 season. But, when it comes to the Redskins, we rule out nothing.

If they'd gotten Cutler, we have a feeling that the very next order of business would have been to get Shanahan.

========================================

We are the Paris Hilton/Britney spears/Octo-Mom to the NFL Circle. Is this what you wanted Dan? Well you got it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

First, Orakpo will be long gone at #13. Second, I'd like to know if Bill Belicheck might be HOT for Maualuga - seemingly his kind of player, and a position of need for the Pats. And they're loaded with first-day picks. The Value Chart suggests that the #13 Pick is worth the Pats' #34, #47 and #89. If they'd make this trade, the Pats would STILL have two firsts, a second and a third. Then the Skins would look for OT Beatty at #34, LDE Gilbert or Sidbury at #47, OLB McKenzie at #80 and OG H. Johnson (or C/G Caldwell) at #89.
Finally, if J. Campbell disappoints in '09, the NEXT draft class is LOADED with QBs.

Posted by: spitz1 | April 21, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Did 'Skins Tell Cutler Shanahan Was Next?
Posted by Mike Florio: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:12 PM
At a time when rumors continue to make the rounds that Mike Shanahan could end up being the next coach of the Redskins, another rumor has wound its way to our doorstep.

There's talk that, during the Redskins' conversations with quarterback Jay Cutler regarding a potential trade that would have brought Cutler to D.C., Cutler was informed that the Redskins would next be targeting Shanahan.

We assume that the pursuit of Shanahan would have commenced after the 2009 season. But, when it comes to the Redskins, we rule out nothing.

If they'd gotten Cutler, we have a feeling that the very next order of business would have been to get Shanahan.


Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I call BS on Florio. The skins wouldn't need to convince Cutler of anything. They needed to convince the Broncos to trade Cutler to them.

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

to continue the danny bashing, this is pretty funny...

http://wartimesmile.blogspot.com/2006/09/daniel-snyder-stink-of-failure.html

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 21, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Finally, if J. Campbell disappoints in '09, the NEXT draft class is LOADED with QBs.

Posted by: spitz1
___________

Again, one of the many reasons to [1] build the O-wall this year (to see if Campbell is the real deal, behind a strong line), and [2] not use any of next year's picks this year...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

First, Orakpo will be long gone at #13. Second, I'd like to know if Bill Belicheck might be HOT for Maualuga - seemingly his kind of player, and a position of need for the Pats. And they're loaded with first-day picks. The Value Chart suggests that the #13 Pick is worth the Pats' #34, #47 and #89. If they'd make this trade, the Pats would STILL have two firsts, a second and a third. Then the Skins would look for OT Beatty at #34, LDE Gilbert or Sidbury at #47, OLB McKenzie at #80 and OG H. Johnson (or C/G Caldwell) at #89.
Finally, if J. Campbell disappoints in '09, the NEXT draft class is LOADED with QBs.

Posted by: spitz1 | April 21, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd be for that. According to this the Pats may feel like dealing. http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-7-101/With-11-picks--Patriots-in-commanding-position.html

They probably don't have room on that team for 11 new players anyway so maybe they trade up.

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This is by far the most spot on article regarding the Redskins in a long, long time...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155419-fleeced-by-the-washington-redskins

I know I'm not the only one that feels like this! I hate Dan Snyder.


Posted by: tcerand


Snyder better get it right, or D.C. is gonna get rid of him..BUILD THE NEW STADIUM AT RFK SITE ALSO..Souldead, fastfood shopping mall FedEx in the middle of Bumf*ck, PG County, with no REAL public access, grossly anti-DC public...

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if I'm late to this dance, but did you guys already talk about the format change with Florio's profootballtalk.com being hosted by nbc.com and how sucky it looks?

Posted by: dcsween | April 21, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo? No way he drops. Sanchez? You never know when a guy seems to rise and be mentioned a lot in the last week or two before the draft if GMs are really interested or if they're bluffing. Given Sanchez's grand total of one year of starting experience, I think he falls to 13 and the two clownshoes running our team take him. Here's hoping for luck because there darn sure isn't any skill involved.

Re Skins getting Shanahan:

First, let's give Zorn a chance and find out what kind of coach he is. One 8-8 year with players picked by Danny and Vinnie hardly requires dismissal. Second, if Shanahan were to come here, that would at least mean J. Campbell could stay in a West Coast scheme, and, with him in a similar offense for more than a week and a half, we could find out what he's got. Finally, no way Shanahan comes here without control over the whole football operation, the way Marty had. I don't see Danny giving anyone that kind of power again, although it is our only hope to escape from the Danny and Vinnie show.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | April 21, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo? No way he drops. Sanchez? You never know when a guy seems to rise and be mentioned a lot in the last week or two before the draft if GMs are really interested or if they're bluffing. Given Sanchez's grand total of one year of starting experience, I think he falls to 13 and the two clownshoes running our team take him. Here's hoping for luck because there darn sure isn't any skill involved.

I think the two a$$clowns running the Redskins would much rather mortgage our future by sending multiple first round picks for Sanchez rather than simply picking him with our own 13th pick. Could the Redskins eventually become the first team to have no draft picks in a draft?

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 21, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse


So, is Vinny going to draft another punter this year?

Worst. GM. EVER.

Posted by: harbinder28 | April 21, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Florio's profootballtalk.com being hosted by nbc.com and how sucky it looks?
Posted by: dcsween | April 21, 2009 5:30

It's just temporary until he figures out that IT guys are the O-line of the blogging world--not really sexy & show their as* crack a little too often when hunched over--but damn useful to have around & good ones are worth every penny!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Dockery-Beatty
Beatty-Thomas-Wood-Reinhardt-Heyer

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Im not a huge fan of trading up but the more I watch ESPN the more it sounds like Sanchez is coming to Washington. So if we happen to trade up for Sanchez and have to give up or first in next years draft but we also trade Campbell for a 2nd and 4th in this years draft would you be satisfied? This is the only way i would like picking up Sanchez but I pray the Redskins trade down in aquire more picks. TELL ME WHAT YOU GUYS THINK??

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | April 21, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I find it completely unfathamable that every prospect in the first 2 rounds of the draft holds more value than Campbell.The skins shopped Jason for a 2nd rounder and received no interest.I can not beleive how little respect Jason receives in this league given his talents and character.Almost gives credence to Snyder and his deminished perceived value of draft picks,because lets face it 90% of the players entering the 09' draft will never increase their stock beyond April 25th.

Posted by: mark65 | April 21, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

will_ga, thx. So its temporary then?

On the IT guys ... word.

At my job, they just canned our IT department and replaced them with what I cannot for the life of me seems like anything other than a deliberate attempt to lower employee morale. The new "service" cannot be any cheaper than the guys we had before.

Good IT staff are like good plumbers. You find one and stick with to them like glue ... FOREVER.

Posted by: dcsween | April 21, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I think we were all convinced Cutler was coming here too. Doesn't mean Sanchez won't be here but there's no guarantee when up to 31 other teams can contribute to the chaos!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, I had a thought over the weekend ... which I think only ever comes to pass if the Skins can find a taker for the #13 spot and trade down ("Hello? May I please speak with Mr. Belichek?").

I want Malcolm Jenkins (CB/Ohio State) and I have since last year ... and I want him to play free safety ... so LaRon Landry can do the job he was designed to do, strong safety.

I'm fully willing to find out what Heyer has in the tank ... and part ways with Thomas to clear up money for Kendall. I admit that we need someone to replace Marcus Washington (esp. if he himself refuses to be that guy), but maybe there is some other way to get higher in the third round to do that.

Posted by: dcsween | April 21, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

mark65, I would note that while that "nobody in the league would trade a second round pick for Jason Campbell" meme certainly has become entrenched, to the extent it gets repeated up here with some regularity, I believe that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

It certainly has appeal to those who want to see someone other than Jason Campbell quarterbacking the Redskins, but that doesn't make it "true."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 21, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

if we did trade into the top 5 we could get a much betterplayer than Sanchez. Like Monroe, Smith, or Curry, even Crabtree

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

But the reality is that he has 2-3 years left on him, tops, before he becomes a liability. If the perfect opportunity came to jettison him that could yield 10 year starters on the O-Line and LB corps...? Yes, please.

Posted by: TDawg1

Jeeziz, man, you're talking about the top Redskin RB of all time and you say, in 2-3 years he might be a liability , so we should draft Wells or Moreno??? 2-3 years is a long time anyway, lets concentrate on upgrading the line and creating FOOTBALL GLORY for the 'Skins, it'll have endearing value to the team for the future, like Jerry Rice or Joe Montana are to the Niners..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

KR/CB Michael Ray Garvin (5-8, 174) created a buzz by running the fastest 40 time (4.24) so far this draft season. Garvin is a world-class sprinter and possesses amazing top-end speed as a kick returner. This type of speed is rare, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see his name come off the board toward the end of the draft as a KR/PR specialist. Florida State
PICK HIM!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 21, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

thx. So its temporary then?

Yeah, same thing happened first night of free agaency. Florio can be a doosh but he's a beast at constantly posting new stuff so he gets huge traffic during peak times. Saturday should be huge for him.

In house IT is worth the extra investment. You just have to make sure to get that seven of nine poster for the breakroom laminated so it doesn't get, you know, all sticky.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's another reason to concentrate on getting the best for the offensive line: if JC should stumble this year or next (fail or get injured), a STRONG offensive line becomes a bargaining chip to land a Manning or a Brady, etc...just saying..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Vince just called me on my cell and told me he is staying at #13 and they are picking Knowshon Moreno and trading Portis to Arizona for their 1st pick and with that they are taking Alex Mack Center-guard. I told him that sounded reasonable.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 21, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The NFL needs a development league so fewer fans notice Vinny Cerrato couldn't spot talent at the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | April 21, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

What about Moreno's brother Dontknowshon?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 21, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If the skins want a productive player game one 09',they should go linebacker.History has confirmed that 1st round d-linemen dont produce on the same level as a rookie LB,just look at rookie mvp results over the last decade or so,they are all linebackers.Then consider the impact of Chris Long and Mario Williams as rookies,

Posted by: mark65 | April 21, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Finally, if J. Campbell disappoints in '09, the NEXT draft class is LOADED with QBs.

Posted by: spitz1 | April 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Tebow is not going to be a NFL QB. His passing skills are sub par by NFL standards and he is a spread O QB like Pat White which the NFL does not want. Outside of Brad Samford what other big time QB is there in the 2010 draft at this point? That's not to say that some won't materialize but I think you have gotten a little too far ahead of yourself.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

What size fries and what kind of drink would you like with those?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 12:27 PM

Dude. You are starting to talk like a out-of-work mortgage banker

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Jevon Snead
Colt McCoy
Jimmy Clausen

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 21, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

It certainly has appeal to those who want to see someone other than Jason Campbell quarterbacking the Redskins, but that doesn't make it "true."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 21, 2009 6:18 PM
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It's an RI fact.

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

-Donald Rumsfeld

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I would note that while that "nobody in the league would trade a second round pick for Jason Campbell" meme certainly has become entrenched, to the extent it gets repeated up here with some regularity, I believe that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 21, 2009 6:18 PM

Maybe. But the avidity with which Snyder jumped into the fray when it became known that Cutler was available made it clear that the Skins did not have a very high opinion of the dude. At some point in the past the Skins had every reason to hope that he could become an elite QB but they were also in the best position to evaluate his pros and cons.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

do you remember what that idiot Snyder gave up to get Jason Campbell? I think it was 2 1sy rounders! Says a lot for him. Snyder should stay the f^&K out of the draft and let Zorn pick!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 21, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If anyone at the park were inclined to "encourage" Samuels to move right, it would be a good idea to start Heyer at LT. By Bugel's own words Heyer is more comfortable and a plays much more effectively at LT.

By doing that and striking a player for player deal with Buffalo for DE Chris Kelsay, the Skins will have addressed (on at least a minor surgery level) their needs, then could focus on the best OLB in the draft. The team should then be able to get an up and coming OT and DE in the draft in subsequent rounds.

Yes, it is likely that none of the later picks will be "sexy" or the "best at position" in the draft, but they will all have a decent chance to be depth players THIS season, and possibly develop into contributors later without the team mortgaging the future or overpaying for talent who will be likely to develop and leave anyway...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | April 21, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

According to the NFL Network, the Jags are very interested in Andre Smith. Mike Shula is with the Jags and coached Smith at Alabama. He really likes him and said he is a good kid. The Jags are hoping Smith will still be there at #8. If he is not, most likely they will try to trade back - and here come the Skins and Sanchez! Unless Seattle picks Sanchez at #4, we are probably doomed.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe. But the avidity with which Snyder jumped into the fray when it became known that Cutler was available made it clear that the Skins did not have a very high opinion of the dude. At some point in the past the Skins had every reason to hope that he could become an elite QB but they were also in the best position to evaluate his pros and cons.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 7:47 PM
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Anton, are you trying to tell us that the Danny's man-crushes = professional evaluations of football talent?

I realize you hate Jason Campbell, but you're making a fool of yourself.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I always wondered what happens when the thunder doesn't get me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 21, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

do you remember what that idiot Snyder gave up to get Jason Campbell? I think it was 2 1sy rounders! Says a lot for him. Snyder should stay the f^&K out of the draft and let Zorn pick!

Posted by: KurtShanaman

I do remember Snyder, Cerrato and Gibbs hijacking an aircraft to Auburn to wine and dine JC and lure hime to the Powtomack Swamp with the devine veal cutlet, so don't throw all that on Snyder... Gibbs definitely gave his guided missile approval..But we definitely paid too much, given the lack of insight infrastructure to choose and develop Campbell into a top NFL East QB within the rapidly timing short river..But I think we fortify the line around him, he might have a serious berserker's chance in Hell ..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Thenthelightningwill, scampbell1975.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Aha!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 21, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, Lisa_R.

Common taters mention a certain video.

Maybe if Mark Sanchez ends up at a stable franchise that knows what it's doing, he doesn't end up like that after a few years.

Put him here, behind an aging offensive line that the Danny can't upgrade because he's squandered all his picks yet again, and Sanchez is the next Jim "Chris" Everett. Or Patrick Ramsey, etc. etc.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

That video was great. I hope he beat the crap out of that D-Bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 21, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

'...do you remember what that idiot Snyder gave up to get Jason Campbell?'

Whereas I don't remember what was given up specifically (three picks, I believe), he did so because St Joe told him so.

Joe had visions of Rypien/Williams when he left Auburn U after scout J Campbell. But now, with Air Zorn yet to take wing, the new long bodied throwing machine with a deep ball looks as out of place as a Klansman at an Obama rally.

But I digress.

We will continue making the following case: if M Sanchez is the choice, trade Campbell immediately, get some picks, draft lineman, and give the rookie the starting job or hear the NFL world laugh that a redskins team with a shaky starting quarterback drafted another one with just as many questions.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The Jags are hoping Smith will still be there at #8. If he is not, most likely they will try to trade back - and here come the Skins and Sanchez! Unless Seattle picks Sanchez at #4, we are probably doomed.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 8:01 PM

'Skins aren't getting Sanchez. There are other teams sniffing around -- Jets, Denver -- who have more to offer in a move up than the Redskins can give.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 21, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

'Skins aren't getting Sanchez. There are other teams sniffing around -- Jets, Denver -- who have more to offer in a move up than the Redskins can give.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 21, 2009

Let's all hope you are right.

Joe had visions of Rypien/Williams when he left Auburn U after scout J Campbell. But now, with Air Zorn yet to take wing, the new long bodied throwing machine with a deep ball looks as out of place as a Klansman at an Obama rally.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2009

Campbell's best year at Auburn came when they converted to a West Coast offense. The same thing happened last year ... even with the collapse of the offensive line he still ended up with an really excellent touchdowns to INT's ratio. Marked improvement in managing games.

Give him another year in this offense, with a decent offensive line and I think everyone will be shocked and surprised ... even agog. That's what the stats appear to indicate.

Sanchez does not have the 4 year track record that Campbell does. He has only one year. And he is coming in as a junior.

Oh well Snyder can grant a future interview and admit that he, once again, made a terrible mistake. While his record as an owner continues to creep closer and closer to the dark side of Bourbon Street ... the Saints record under Archie Manning ...

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

And think of all the great fun we will have slowly, inexorably, burning the great Dany Snyder at the stake of an internet blog and public opinion.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Thenthelightningwill, scampbell1975.
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009

And a Snidely owl will swoop in and you will watch all your Redskins futures get swept away.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Didn't someone say we should "draft" a new owner? Well, here HE IS, and he can run the wildcat or play a pretty decent tight end. Clearly doesn't "scoff" at school the way a certain diminutive borderline PD type does. Hmmmmm, JKC got started as an Encyclopedia salesman in Canada, Snidely was a spring training trip coordinator for party bound college students ... just goes to show ...

Looks like Dallas is interested him as a possible replacement for the aging Jerry Jones.

Character 1

Casey is a hard worker on and off the field. He is a triple major in Economics, Managerial Studies and Sport Management. He carries a 3.84 GPA and he has averaged 18 hours a semester since arriving at Rice.

Casey-At-Bat-For-the-Wildcat

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Vince just called me on my cell and told me he is staying at #13 and they are picking Knowshon Moreno and trading Portis to Arizona for their 1st pick and with that they are taking Alex Mack Center-guard. I told him that sounded reasonable.

Posted by: KurtShanaman

This would be a great way to NOT get ANY better. Trade away your pro-bowl tailback. Replace him with an unproven rookie. Then waste a 1st rouder on an OL that ISN'T a Tackle.

r u Snyder in disguise?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The Jags are hoping Smith will still be there at #8. If he is not, most likely they will try to trade back - and here come the Skins and Sanchez! Unless Seattle picks Sanchez at #4, we are probably doomed.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 8:01 PM

'Skins aren't getting Sanchez. There are other teams sniffing around -- Jets, Denver -- who have more to offer in a move up than the Redskins can give.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Smith should be there at #8.

All this talk about Sanchez. Well what if the Lions take Sanchez, is Danny gay for Stafford too? Or what if the Lions take Curry, how far will Staff and Chez fall. If Danny had his choice would he coose Chez over Staff

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

You said it pabs, what if, what if, what if...
no one knows a damn thing right now

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 21, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

r u Snyder in disguise?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:06 PM
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The Skins can't trade C.P.

Even if they found another team that would take his salary, the cap hit is unpossible to handle.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Thank God draft day is almost here and we can stop speculating and start celebrating or crying

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Portis is worth the cap hit

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank God draft day is almost here and we can stop speculating and start celebrating or crying

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:22 PM

There's already a lot of crying and we haven't even picked yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 21, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

There's already a lot of crying and we haven't even picked yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975

ha, true

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Thank the gods it is "what if, what if". If it were definite we all know what "the score" would be.

Its like betting against your own team ...

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

S?>T, Hanrahan is blowing another save opportunity.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

damn he made it ...

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

You said it pabs, what if, what if, what if...
no one knows a damn thing right now

Posted by: scampbell1975

it's just interesting that there is zero talk about Stafford who seems to be better than Sanchez

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Portis is worth the cap hit

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:23 PM
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The cap hit would be to us, if we traded him.

We can't trade C.P. even if we wanted to.

Not that I want to. Let's get some more blockers and turn him loose.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

.. even with the collapse of the offensive line he still ended up with an really excellent touchdowns to INT's ratio. Marked improvement in managing games.

Give him another year in this offense, with a decent offensive line and I think everyone will be shocked and surprised ... even agog. That's what the stats appear to indicate.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 9:17 PM

I wonder why the Skins coaches don't share your rosy view of the dude. If he were all you say he is then it would make their life a lot simpler -- he blossoms into an elite QB, the Skins win the SB, etc., etc. -- instead of them having to start all over with a newbie. Snyder has had the Skins for 10 yrs now and I don't think he is all that keen on hitting the reset button if he doesn't have to.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 21, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

thunder,

I can't wait to see #26 run left now that the Dock is there

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why the Skins coaches don't share your rosy view of the dude. If he were all you say he is then it would make their life a lot simpler -- he blossoms into an elite QB, the Skins win the SB, etc., etc.

I wonder why some people have reading comprehension issues while others?

Really, the biggest complaint about Campbell comes from Mel Kiper, he with the direct butt-to-butt connection with Cerrato. I quote, "Its the intangibles, he needs to be more assertive and show leadership".

That's can be directly attributed TO ONE COACH, ONE GM, ONE OWNER: Dan Snyder.

And don't start with the "well they wouldn't even offer a 2nd and 3rd for Campbell". Why the hell should they? Snyder is such a moron he would probably release the guy before spring training and then it wouldn't cost the really interested teams anything. Plus, is the last year on his contract. Next year he will be available.

And Zorn? He is just going with the flow knowing full well that he might well join Campbell on his next team.

Bottom line, the guy is good, the owner isn't.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

before spring training

Thinking beisball been veddy veddy good to me ...

I meant to say before training camp in July.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

even with the collapse of the offensive line he still ended up with an really excellent touchdowns to INT's ratio. Marked improvement in managing games.

Give him another year in this offense, with a decent offensive line and I think everyone will be shocked and surprised ... even agog. That's what the stats appear to indicate.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 9:17 PM

I wonder why the Skins coaches don't share your rosy view of the dude. If he were all you say he is then it would make their life a lot simpler -- he blossoms into an elite QB, the Skins win the SB, etc., etc. -- instead of them having to start all over with a newbie. Snyder has had the Skins for 10 yrs now and I don't think he is all that keen on hitting the reset button if he doesn't have to.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

He [JC] must be missing timing patterns that we can't see from TV angles, right? But, I think he should get at least 1 more season. Seems like if Thomas, Davis, or Kelly could put up average numbers Campbell's stats would be very good.(+30 comps, + 400 yds, + 4 TD's)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see #26 run left now that the Dock is there

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009

Prefer to see Andre Smith and Dockery on the same side leading ... perhaps we'd see a rejuvenated Portis.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

He [JC] must be missing timing patterns that we can't see from TV angles, right? But, I think he should get at least 1 more season. Seems like if Thomas, Davis, or Kelly could put up average numbers Campbell's stats would be very good.(+30 comps, + 400 yds, + 4 TD's)

Yeah, kind of like Portis in the last 8 games. 2 TDs, 2 fumbles lost at a clip of 2 yards a carry but with a really mean cloud of dust.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Portis "cloud of dust" == Constant whining to the press that he should be used more.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Kiper sucks, Campbell is a competitive leader who is not emotional on the field.

Aikman wasn't a firey guy on the field, did he need to assert himself.

Was there a single game last season that we lost because of Campbell??? Not IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Not that I want to. Let's get some more blockers and turn him loose.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009

Give him the blockers. Take away his excuses.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder why the Skins coaches don't share your rosy view of the dude."

What Skins coaches? You mean the Skins coaches that told Campbell "you're my guy" and "we're in this together" (via Campbell's quotes)?

Oh that's right, you're confusing zero-football-experience, consistently impulsive, next-big-thing owner Dan Snyder with the "coaches". Funny how things work out like that. You attempt to prove one point, only it turns out your 'sources' said the exact opposite of what you wanted them to.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Not that I want to. Let's get some more blockers

Give both Portis AND Campbell blockers ... then let's see what they can do.

Its why I'd like to see Andre Smith ... seems like he could be as much of an impact player on the OL as everyone expects Haynesworth to be on the DL. But for a much lower price.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, kind of like Portis in the last 8 games. 2 TDs, 2 fumbles lost at a clip of 2 yards a carry but with a really mean cloud of dust.

Posted by: periculum

This is expert analysis, forget his first 92 games, and only count the last 8 ?!?

If Betts and the O-line stayed healthy that may make a difference. Also, in those 8 games we played the #1, #2, #3, and #5 defenses, right?

Portis is 28th all-time a-l-l-t-i-m-e and he's 27. Name any player and take away his first 92 games and then everyone sucks. Cooley fumbled too.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Kiper sucks, Campbell is a competitive leader who is not emotional on the field.

Aikman wasn't a firey guy on the field, did he need to assert himself.

Was there a single game last season that we lost because of Campbell??? Not IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003

I agree. Campbell had a faulty O line and 1 WR. And he actually saved a game or two with his legs.

But no! Snyder has to have a "sexy" vocal personality as a QB. See how that works for him!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I would love to get A. Smith too, I think we should take an OT even if the top 4 are gone. This would leave Beatty or Smith available. Even Britton may be worth a 13 if he could start right away.

Then, I would take G/C in the 3rd, although Cedric Dockery could be a late round gem for us

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

r u Snyder in disguise?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:06 PM
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The Skins can't trade C.P.

Even if they found another team that would take his salary, the cap hit is unpossible to handle.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

It is really funny reading some of these post that talk about trading this player or that player without thinking of the cap ramifications. CP is untradable. ARE is untradeable. The players we can trade will bring little value or no other GM will even consider.

The other funny thing about reading these post (outside of peri) is the credence given to the "professional's like kiper". Look at his record. Dude just sells hits on the net or commercials on tv. He does not know what teams want/need or are thinking.

Well, at least it will end this weekend. Hopefully.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 21, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Its why I'd like to see Andre Smith ... seems like he could be as much of an impact player on the OL as everyone expects Haynesworth to be on the DL. But for a much lower price.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 11:25 PM
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I'm starting to guess all 4 of those guys are gone before we pick.

It's interesting reading the WalterFootball forums, versus here.

Here, you don't get much of a sense of what is going on with the other teams.

St. Louis, Cincinnati, San Francisco, and Buffalo are all likely O.T. drafters.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The other funny thing is Portis has carried our offense from day 1. And, ARE is a key contributer. We have 2 WR's if we traded ARE we would have 1. If we traded ARE for a WR we would have 2. The magic number is 3 or 4.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder why the Skins coaches don't share your rosy view of the dude."

What Skins coaches? You mean the Skins coaches that told Campbell "you're my guy" and "we're in this together" (via Campbell's quotes)?

Oh that's right, you're confusing zero-football-experience, consistently impulsive, next-big-thing owner Dan Snyder with the "coaches". Funny how things work out like that. You attempt to prove one point, only it turns out your 'sources' said the exact opposite of what you wanted them to.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 11:25 PM |

First, let me say I am not anti-Campbell. Second, I have been behind most of your recent post. Very logical. Having said that, you are very adroit with the English languish and have a way with words, but what did you expect the Skins coaches to tell him? We don't think you are any good but can't trade you and are stuck with you? Campbell is an OK QB. Nothing more. Nothing less. Don't try to make out like Zorn was not behind the Cutler trade unless you were there in Redskins Park, in the middle of the talks.

I would not draft a QB this year, but I am not ready to say that Campbell is the man.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 21, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

what team couldn't use a good young OT? One thing you can't teach is 'big'.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I would not draft a QB this year, but I am not ready to say that Campbell is the man.

Posted by: Curzon417

Problem is no one knows how good Campbell is, and we WILL find out. I wanna know before we get rid of him, not after.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Agree pabrain. QB is not the position to try and fix this offseason.

Patience.......

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 21, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"but what did you expect the Skins coaches to tell him?"

It's not like it's a foreign concept for a coach to tell his supposedly underperforming incumbent quarterback to expect competition for his starting spot. Why hasn't that happened if it's clear the coaches are unsatisfied with Campbell?

"Don't try to make out like Zorn was not behind the Cutler trade unless you were there in Redskins Park, in the middle of the talks."

And equally, don't try to make out like Zorn WAS behind the Cutler trade unless you were there in Redskins Park, in the middle of talks.

All we know is Zorn told Campbell those words ('you're my guy', 'we're in this together') while Snyder told Campbell close to the opposite ('we want you to be the franchise QB, but don't think you're there, and that's why we sought out Cutler,' obviously paraphrased). Nowhere has it ever been reported or even insinuated that Zorn was behind the talks. In fact, rumors suggest the exact opposite, as PFT was suggesting via sources that Cutler was told Shanahan would follow him to DC were he to be traded here. And if those rumors were in fact true, Zorn would be 100%, unequivocally against the trade of Jason Campbell.

So excuse me if I don't buy that rubbish. The facts say that Zorn personally gave Campbell his endorsement. Some of your 'gut feelings' may tell you that he was simply playing politics, but my gut feeling tells me he was sincere due to his own employment ramifications from the prospective trade. Unfortunately, neither of us know anything for sure, other than what we've heard from Campbell and other reports.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Let's "fix" the QB position by building the O-wall. C'mon Danno.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 22, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

beep2

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 22, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Problem is no one knows how good Campbell is, and we WILL find out. I wanna know before we get rid of him, not after.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:53 PM

Absolutely. The greatest upside in this draft is to build the lines - especially the O-line. If Campbell works out, great. If not, he's gone and the next QB inherits a great line. This is as close as we get to a no brainer in this draft.

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

...and can you believe the Nats had a one run lead going into the 8th and held?

Where the hell has that been the last two years?

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Really?? This team could really ball and make a legit playoff/ SB run with an extremely productive draft (though history would say that is unlikely). Think about our deepest holes-- the O-Line and at SAM; if we can grab our future center, right tackle, SAM, and get some depth at guard and CB in the later rounds, we could be really dangerous. And then next year we'd only need DE, CB, and continued G depth if Campbell or Colt pan out.

Posted by: TDawg1
I understand and at times have shared that kind of fantasy life, but the fact is, in the long run, you lose ground if you trade future picks for lower value current year picks. We've done that too much in the past, in my opinion. I dont mind trading down, and if I were pretty sure I'd be picking in the bottom of the next years first round, I would be tempted to trade a number 1 for a current year number 2 if I thought THE guy was on the board....but I'm just not that confident we will not be graced with another top ten pick next year...

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 22, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

The man isn't even a first round talent and you want to take him at 13? I promise he won't be off the board until atleast round 2.

Posted by: Pleepleus"

Says who? Nearly every scouting report I've seen has him as a first round talent, only he's downplayed in the bottom of the round because of the position he plays. I could care less about that. Interior linemen are very important, and he's far and away the best prospect in that area. Would I take that at 13? Absolutely.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 3:19 PM
If Mack is available at #32, the Steelers will take him, guaranteed.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 22, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

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