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A Quick Wild-Card Detour

Wild-card weekend is nearly upon us and The League looks at each of the matchups.

With Indianapolis going to San Diego, there's really only one burning question: Should Norv Turner (you remember him) be credited or blamed for the Chargers' 8-8 record?

Ahead of Baltimore-Miami, we asked if Chad Pennington is really a playoff-caliber quarterback.

Out of the Philadelphia-Minnesota game, we wonder which player is more indispensable: Westbrook or Peterson?

Atlanta vs. Arizona is intriguing on a number of levels, but which do you think is more dangerous: the Falcons' running game or the Cardinals' passing game?

By Cindy Boren  |  January 2, 2009; 8:16 AM ET
 
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Here is a link to Rich Tandler's column regarding the offseason needs of the skins. I tried to post the column, but it's being blocked by the RI higher ups. I think Rich does a very good job of analyzing the team.

http://was.scout.com/2/826095.html

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

There was a lot of talk of change in the air at Redskins Park over the last few days. At his season-wrap up presser, Jim Zorn indicated that there would be changes.

But he also said that there wasn't much of anything that he wanted to change.

He likes his quarterback, his offense, his job duties, his coaching staff, and his older players. The current player personnel structure, headed up by Vinny Cerrato, will stay intact.

Presumably there would be a major debate if someone wanted to change the carpet on the stairs at Redskins Park.

The team should stay the course in some areas. Staying with the same offense and the same quarterback for another offseason is a good idea. It would be good to see Zorn become more imaginative in his play calling but that will come as the team settles in. We've gone back and forth about Jason Campbell here but he's the man with no competition and we'll have to see what happens. I'd like to see a more solid Plan B in place than Todd Collins, who is too old, and Colt Brennan, who is too

More to come

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

inexperienced. Perhaps letting Collins go and bringing in an experienced West Coast QB like Chris Simms would be the way to go here.

The offensive backs are likely to remain the same. Portis got $20 million in guarantees a year ago so he's not going anywhere. There will be some noise about trading Ladell Betts but that probably won't happen. Rock Cartwright is the special teams' Mr. Everything and Mike Sellers is a deserving Pro Bowl pick at fullback (just don't give him the ball at the goal line).

There may be some minor shuffling at WR—will a 34-year-old James Thrash be able to contribute enough on special teams to justify using a receiver slot? Other than that, any changes will come from increased (meaning any) production from Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

The offensive line may or may not get the upgrade that it needs. There is talk of Pete Kendall, an unrestricted free agent, returning. He'll be 36 by the time next season starts. I like the guy and I'll always respect him for standing in front of his locker after the Rams game and taking every question from every reporter. But it's time to move on.

Is it time for Jon Jansen to move on? He shouldn't start, that's for sure. There would be a net cap hit of about $6 million ($1 million higher than I previously estimated). In 2009 his salary is "only" $1.3 million, a number you can justify for a backup. The foolishly-paid guaranteed money is water under the bridge and it may be better to wait until 2010 to release him. That may be an uncapped year and even if it's not the

More to come,

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

hit will not sting quite as much.

At some point there has to be a youth movement on the O-line. They took Chad Reinhart in the third round last year and they need to see what they have there. Can Stephon Heyer develop the consistency and the run-blocking ability necessary to become a solid starter? If those two can start, that's a 40% injection of youth into the aging unit. If a starting center can be found in the third round of the draft, that's 60%.

On the other side of the ball, there isn't much wrong that can't be solved with a big, mean defensive tackle creating havoc in the middle of the line. That would help the ends get better pass pressure, which would, in turn, help the defensive backs play more aggressively and maybe get more than the occasional interception here and there.

Albert Haynesworth of the Titans fills the bill but he's going to demand a ton of money. It's a bit too early to say what might be available at pick #13 along those lines since the juniors haven't yet declared but I have to think that there would be a quality DT there.

Talk of trading Carlos Rogers is foolish. Shawn Springs has to go, along with his $8 million cap number (the net cap savings would be around $6 million). Give DeAngelo Hall a reasonable contract and let Rogers play in the last year of his deal. If there is no new CBA in 2010, he'll be a restricted free agent. There has been a debate on the message boards about whether to pay Hall or Rogers. As neither is going to warrant a monster contract, I'm not sure why it has to be an either/or situation.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey Twisi,

They do not let you post real long things anymore just break what you want to post down into smaller pieces.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Flonder

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

thanks flound, agree with all of that, it makes a TON of sense...it doesn't seem like its that hard to figure out....I guess I'm hopeful that its not difficult for the people who need to figure it out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

For teams fortunate enough to still be playing, I like all the road teams this weekend. Not sure if all 4 road teams will win (or if the Wild Card has ever played out like that), but I think this year the wild card teams are better than the winners of crappy divisions like the NFC and AFC West.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

What I hate about the playoffs is that the Skins ar 3-0 against the Cardinals and the Eagles, but they play this weekend and we don't.

The Brett Favre/Cowboys meltdown is laughable to anyone who went on record months ago to say that they're both overrated and get too much media attention...

The better bowl games start today. Be on the lookout for:

a right tackle

a linebacker

a run stuffing lineman

a speedy special teamer

...and yet they still get coverage...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

The linebackers from USC looked pretty good, I will take one of them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Happy New Year all.

It does seem like common sense is all that we need to field a better team. But the problem with guys who are paid to be smart is that sometimes to make themselves look smart they avoid common sense.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Flounder great posts assessing Skins moves. I agree with all that you said. Jansen could be a good backup at that price. Totally agree we need a monster DT to fix DL issues - I think Haynesworth would be great but too expensive for skins situation. I think our DEs would then do much better. I think some attention on the LBs is needed, similar problem to OL.

Posted by: myPostId1000 | January 2, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

mypost,

Although I would love to take credit, I just posted the Scout article that TWISI linked.

I do agree with a lot of what the guy has to say though.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

A monster DT would block up 2 linemen open holes for the LB's to stop the run and collapse the pocket so our DE's can pick up sackeroos

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The issue what getting a monster DT is that there is only one available in FA, so to get one the skins would need to draft him, and they'd need to draft him early. I think if the skins trade down from the 13th pick, drafting a DT with teir first overall pick becomes a high probability.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Tandler ought to be hired onto the staff :)

Posted by: myPostId1000 | January 2, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

maybe Blache & company can help the scouting staff unearth a lesser profile DT than Haynesworth?

Posted by: myPostId1000 | January 2, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I have begun to think that we have a better shot at rebuilding the o-line through the draft. That goes along with Bugs 2.0 style on linemen (in 1.0 we got them every witch way), he seems to like Vets, so lets get the best 20 somethings available.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I just hate for them to feel pressured into taking a DT at #13 and forcing the issue. That always ends up with a disaster DL who never makes it as a starter.

Posted by: myPostId1000 | January 2, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Good points by Tandler.

Forget Springs, we dont need him to be a veteran prescense in the Deep backfield. Relying on him will only stunt the development of our young players. You gotta live and learn, not just learn.

One monster D tackle while keeping the other 3 mainstays should really help.

The maybe we could slim down evans for pass rush and keep only one of carter or taylor.

Def draft Cushing

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

They've gotta go OL in the draft. They HAVE GOT TO...its deep, and its got a lot of talented guys coming out. After the bowl games a lot more kids will be declaring, lots of opportunity to revamp this line. Heck, trade out of the #13th pick, and get a late 1st, and a 2nd, and take OL, OL, OL, with the first 3 picks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

A "monster DT" will only help a little. If you watched the play of our DEs over the course of the year they were not getting double teamed that much. They still have to beat their man one on one. How many "monster DT's" are really out there and available anyways? They are few and precious.

I think that the problem is much more complex. Blache does not play an aggressive defense that allows players to take risks on the defensive line. A player that thrives in an aggressive defense would have to play under more restraint here, thus diminishing his pass rush. A second factor is the play of the linebackers. Fletcher plays bigger than his size, that will be harder to continue as he ages. Washington was ineffective or injured for the entire season, Blades, his backup was adequate at best, and McIntosh plays well and then disappears for whole games. The play of the linebackers has stymied the freedom of the defensive line. It is no secret that the Skins vulnerability against the run is on the outside. The DE's are light and the outside linebackers are not a force on the wide runs or as qb sackers either. Whenever the opposing team beat us up on the line it was mostly targeting the outside. It may be easier to find a stud outside linebacker or at least one who will improve the play of this group. If that happens then you will see a positive effect on the pass rush.

Posted by: driley | January 2, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

driley, maybe blache doesnt play an agressive scheme because he cant.

He had a monster front 7 in Chi town...

what i saw form the DE's were that they rushed outside, everytime. I think that was a product of the guard sitting there waitin g for the inside move. So the the tackles can play leverage to the outside know they had help inside.

A DT that can collapse the pocket is essential. All good passrushing DE's have good DT's next to them...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The needs OL, DL and LB in that order maybe put LB ahead of DL.

The draft is the best way to get the OL this year because there are a ton of guys coming out.

I would look at FA's for the LB and DL, nothing to splashy but good players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

But I agree with your overall sentiment that they are hard to find, thats why you go FA with one and draft a OLB...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Blache does not play an aggressive defense that allows players to take risks on the defensive line.

Posted by: driley | January 2, 2009 9:41 AM

Happy New Year, peeps - May you all have a very prosperous 2009!
------------------------------
dr, how many risks can a defensive linemen actually take when blitzing, if any at all? It isn't like a LB, CB, or S; who can wither drop back in coverage or blitz. As soon as the ball is snapped the DL is engaged.

I don't remember the stat exactly, during a TV broadcast (Can't remeber the game or station), it wasn noted that the Redskins were among the most blitzing defenses in the NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 2, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I think that a good DT can from time to time slide to the outside himself to confuse a OT and help the DE go to the outside cant he.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

And not to knock our current DT's, i think most are overachievers and all are #2's (Griff used to be a 1). Golston seems like he would be a good 3-4 DE and well as Evans... hmm

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

If you wanted to look at FA's for OL

Here is a guard from Pittsburgh he started all 16 games and he's young.

Chris Kemoeatu | #68 | G

Pittsburgh Steelers | Official Team Site

Height: 6-3 Weight: 344 Age: 25

Born: 1/4/1983 Tonga

College: Utah

Experience: 4th season

High School: Kahuku HS [HI]

Tackle from Jacksonville started all 16 games.

Khalif Barnes | #69 | T

Jacksonville Jaguars | Official Team Site

Height: 6-5 Weight: 325 Age: 26

Born: 4/21/1982 San Diego , CA

College: Washington

Experience: 4th season

High School: Mount Miguel HS [Spring Valley, CA]

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I've heard the Titans are already in contract talks with Haynesworth.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 2, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

flound, I read an article on Post Game Heroes about the Pitt line, and how they're all pretty soft, not sure how true that is....

on the FA front, I'd prefer the team looked at 2nd tier guys, than anything. They need to stay away from the big name, big money deals....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Red,
I think the stat was the number of 6 man blitzes where we had the most blitzs and our 5 man and 7 man or 8 man blitzes where we did not do a lot of that.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Alright, time to talk about it. Taylor looked better as a rover, switching between a DE and LB... so you draft a OLB keep our current DT's and Evans and go 3-4..... whos with me?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

And for those who say OL is so deep, then wait to draft one, get a 2nd and draft one there and one in the 3rd and pick up a reliable young starter.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Zeeb's I was calling for it last year, but we don't have 2 good MLB types. Also I don't see Blanch being a good LB type

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

IMO the skins can get an upgrade to LB in FA. Crowder, Dansby, Hill, Scott would be an upgrade to the current playes on the team(I'm assuming Washington won't be back). I don't see any 2nd tier DL prospect I'd invest money into either because of age and/or talent. If the skins want a FA DL additon, they should go after the usual suspects. There are some 2nd tier OL prospects that are interesting: Khalif Barnes (Jags), Vernon Carey ('Fins), Jahri Evans(Saints)he's a RFA, Jason Brown (Ravens).

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I think Blades is a good middle LB, def not good outside... but I guess 3-4 mikes need to be a hybrid ILB/OLB. Def not blades... cant get off a block.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Alright, time to talk about it. Taylor looked better as a rover, switching between a DE and LB... so you draft a OLB keep our current DT's and Evans and go 3-4..... whos with me?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:10 AM |

One question who is going to coach it Blache is a 4-3 guy and the defenses are totally different. You would have to bring in a new defensive coaching staff.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I forgot about Chris Canty on the DL. Getting him would help forward the 3-4 revolution Zeeb is pushing for.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Flound,

We essentially did that with JT during the last two games... Blatche isnt stupid, he can figure it out...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying I'm against a 3-4 I actually like that defense, but you will need to replace Blache and his assistants with someone who is experienced at running a 3-4.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Flound,

We essentially did that with JT during the last two games... Blatche isnt stupid, he can figure it out...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:17 AM |

No he can't just figure it out, a 3-4 defense is very complicated to coach and he has never done it.

Thats like saying Joe Gibbs could have just figured out how to run the WCO

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Red,

The defensive ends are more constrained in this defense. Apparently they have more responsibilities other than pass rush than some other systems do. Jason Taylor clued me into this from his comments about his lack of sacks as opposed to his responsibilities when he played for the Dolphins. If you also have noticed that Blache has been very soft in offering any criticism of the play of the DEs, given the ample opportunities that he has had.

The main point I was making is that if we had better OLBs then the DE's would be freed up to do more "upfield" rushing. Our linebackers are not any threat at all in qb blitzes and are adequate on run contain. If we had even a threat at all emanating from the OLBs it would change the ways that the offense would attack us, they would be more reactive to them, thus freeing up the DEs for a deeper penetration at the snap count.

Posted by: driley | January 2, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Smart Front Offices look for younger up-n-comers on other teams that are at the end of contracts or close and poach them b/c the OG team can't afford to pay them to be a back up, or cant afford to cut the vet.

One example of the Skins actually doing this was when the signed Rabach. Now his play last year was subpar, but he has been very solid for the Skins and could prolly still be good if overall line play/scheme improved.

I would love for our FO to have that kind of FA plan.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs did switch in his first year flound... I understand it is a hard defense, but this guy has been a coach his entire life. You cant say he doesnt know the principles or that he cant make the switch.

In fact their defnesive gameplan from the last two games had many elements of 3-4 in it... that is why I think he could do it.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

quick question, what are the top 4 or 5 offensive lines in the NFL right now?

I got Tennessee, Carolina, who else? Vikings?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

G-men are one of the better lines

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Jasno....you've had one post per day...step up and give us something of substance...instead of saying...haha i told you they needed line help...give some SPECIFIC options....Gross, Haynesworth, Draft Oher or Johnson?...it sucks coming to this bookmark only to see the same amn boring post from the morning.

Posted by: kpayn17 | January 2, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Very true cL.. they did some nice poaching with Thomas too, I say we do both, get a young guy off a squad and also draft... but not a first rounder since the OL is deep in this draft. Theres gotta be someone good we could get in the 2nd (still banking on that trade)

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

CL
That would be nice to have.

Can someone tell me outside the "standard" 4-3, nickel, dime quarter set of defensive sets and when we did the "cobra" packages. Did the skins run any other formations?

I would love to see us be able to do some 46 or 4-4 play calls against the run.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

truth, ne has a very good line.

I'd go after Canty from Dallas, for not big money, he's got good size, and could slide inside on passing downs, I'd also go after the Brown kid from the Ravens, and plug him in at one guard spot. Bigger, on both lines, is imperative.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

JT was manhandled by a TE against San Fran he is done and one multiple sack game does not get him another 8mil this year sorry he needs to go.

Zeebs who will be your NT in the 3-4, and who will be your pass rushing OLB, and please don't say JT.

Remember that every team that runs a 3-4 has a huge NT, we have nothing like that on our team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Also I am reminded about what Bethard once said.

Head Coaches try to win today. GM's try to win next year or a couple of years down the road...

In other words stop mortgaging our future vinny...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Zeebs my FO dream plan was for all positions, OL was just my example. I agree draft should be OL heavy.

My poach youngens plan would be perfect at an upgrade at LB however.

Last year I hoped that would be the approach to upgrading WR, like that cat from Arizona. If we could have done that we could have only used one 2nd rounder at WR...

Oh well spilt milk and all...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Flound, Yes and I think JT takes a reduced salary...

And a monster DT is exactly what I think we need... for a 3-4 or a 4-3.

But taylor def looked better as a rover so yes a pass rushing OLB...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I know non of us have any real experience, but personally I know when I play NCAA football or Madden on my PS2 or the Computer...

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

So if you get a huge DT who could play the nose or the 4-3 then we have options.

If Jt is better served on the outside roving sometime putting his hand down I say do it.

And really i would like to do both, keep changing it up, confuse the QB.

But it does seem like blache isnt really down with mind games and such, just solid D.'

But again that may be a product of his players and not his want.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The roll JT actually had his best game in I think was Philly, where he basically was spying Westbrook and McNabb all game long. All he did, is go sideline to sideline with Westbrook to stop the screen.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"There has been a debate on the message boards about whether to pay Hall or Rogers. As neither is going to warrant a monster contract, I'm not sure why it has to be an either/or situation.

Posted by: Flounder21"

Excellent post here about the Rogers/Hall debate. Precisely what I had said on the "cornerbacks" thread. If someone goes it has to be Springs, should be a no-brainer, and pay Hall what you estimate Rogers should be paid. Rogers doesn't need the same deal right away, just somewhere down the road.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I would keep blanch around because he is solid as a DC but hope that VC is looking at young up and coming innovative guys to eventually replace him.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Zeese, true but they showed he wasnt the olny one (Alexander getting burnt)... it was the overall confusion we set with McNabb... he didnt know where JT would be, and if the person isnt producing maybe the specter of him being unacctounted for is good enough.

Really if you have just 1 other front 7 player that scared offenses, teams could just key on taylor... maybe like a blitzing LL or a beast DT or a new pass rushing OLB for the 4-3...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If you can't pass rush with Vernon Davis blocking you how are you going to do anything against a 300 pound LT.

JT should not be brought back at any money.

Vinny needs to realize he made a mistake and move on.

Everybody up here wants this team to get younger, but nobody wants to do what it will take to get there.

It's called rebuilding the team has done nothing for 16 years, and a couple of playoff wins is not that big of a deal.

If your goal is to win a SB you need to start getting younger right now, you will lose a lot over the next couple years but you will be better in the long run.

This team is middle of the pack in the NFL, and will always be unless they get young and fast.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

that should be couldnt key on taylor...

I always hesitate to say a player is a failure on his own.

JC couldnt produce but that was because his line failed and so did the running game.

JT failed but teams knew where he would be. When we moved him around he produced.

Everything is intertwined, so maybe fixing one area helps another... so I am not quick to discharge JT... at 8 mil yes but not for 4 mil?


Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"As neither is going to warrant a monster contract"

I wish this was true, but not sure it is.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Remember that every team that runs a 3-4 has a huge NT, we have nothing like that on our team.

Posted by: Flounder21

That's not necessarily true. Jay Ratliff is only 6'4 302lbs. By comparison, Anthony Montgomery is 6'6 315lbs.

That said, we don't have the personnel for a 3-4, and our 4-3 defense is perfectly capable of dominant performances. No need to tinker with something that works extremely well.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

CL,

I think Halls past will prevent him from getting a huge contract, and I like Rogers but he is just a solid player he is not a pro bowler, and his hands will keep him from getting a big contract.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

That's not necessarily true. Jay Ratliff is only 6'4 302lbs. By comparison, Anthony Montgomery is 6'6 315lbs.

That said, we don't have the personnel for a 3-4, and our 4-3 defense is perfectly capable of dominant performances. No need to tinker with something that works extremely well.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 10:51 AM

Sorry PSP I ment all the teams that run it well, like the Ravens and Pitts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Flounder, not really argueing but contracts on positions like CB get crazy fast......so won't be shocked if our jaws collectively drop at the contract DHall signs here or elsewhere...

And if Rogers actually holds on to a few passes next season his price tag could sky rocket.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

PSPS;

Yes we do not need to tinker, but middle of the pack is middle of the pack, maybe we need to get a more agressive pressure D.

And i would be so quick to dismiss this team as not 3-4 ready.

Evans is the prototype 3-4 DE. Golston seems to be quick enough as well.

Really you need light DT's who can shed blocks like a DT but run to the ball carrier like DE's.

Then you need the LB's... that is where we are most deficient. LF can play the mike, dont know about blades. JT standing up and Rocky if healthy or a FA/Draft pick at OLB... Nothing changes behind them

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

REPORT: PATS TO FRANCHISE CASSEL
Posted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2009, 10:47 a.m. EST
With New England quarterback Matt Cassel set to become a free agent — and with two key current members of the organization, offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli, possibly heading to new teams — the Patriots are prepared to slap the franchise tag on Cassel.

Former NFL exec Mike Lombardi said on the most recent edition of Showtime’s Inside the NFL that the move will be made.

“The Patriots are way too smart, and I’ve talked to people in the organization,” said Lombardi, via the Providence Journal. “They are going to franchise Matt Cassel. He’s an asset, and they can control their ability to trade him if they franchise him.”

Though the move will result in the quarterback position commanding upwards of $26 million in cap space for 2009, it’s the right decision, regardless of whether it’s a hedge against Tom Brady not being healthy or it’s a strategy for getting something of value in exchange for Cassel.

The franchise tender for Cassel will be based upon the average of the five highest-paid quarterbacks in the league. It’s expected that the number will be in the range of $12 million.

The amount becomes fully guaranteed if Cassel signs the tender.

Though the move might be nothing more than an effort to ensure that the Patriots will receive significant compensation by trading Cassel, we still wouldn’t be surprised if Cassel and the Pats work out a relatively short-term deal, perhaps only two or three years in duration, aimed at keeping him around until it’s clear that Brady is back to 100 percent — and giving Cassel a crack at becoming the Steve Young to Brady’s Joe Montana.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

And Flound, how much is JT's cap hit? If we could reduce him down to 4 mil you wouldnt want that on your team... we already gave up the picks, maybe see if you can get something outta him.

There is a delicate balance between the keep restocking and try to buy a champ and blowing everything up.

If it were so cut and dry then every team could do it succesfully.

The titans did, many others have failed.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Now what if we can convince Washington to come back at a low salary, anyone here willing to keep him, as a backup relief type, while still pro-activly looking for another OLB to be a starter?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Is Spring's tradeable? or does his contractual status prohibit that from happening not sure we need him,i thought i read in a previous post that Spring's would be a good mentor for the young D- backs, WHAT? He couldn't get on the field for the better part of six or seven games and he gave up the deciding pass play against SF that put us at 8-8 instead of 9-7 i say we try to trade him if not just let him walk.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 2, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

+++The linebackers from USC looked pretty good, I will take one of them.

Posted by: Flounder21+++

True, but the problem evaluating the USC LBs is they play for what is essentially an All-Star team. Everyone else is so good, their mistakes dont' show as much.

But yeah, gimme some Rey Malauaga or Brian Cushing...

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Yes and Yes zeese... he is an emotional leader... i say get it done at almost any reduce cap number... time to let go others who have that same role but do less... mR Thrash

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Evans is the prototype 3-4 DE"

Zeebs, just thinking about the Pats and the Steelers, couple teams who run the 3-4, their DE's are in the 300 pound range, they have to be that size to anchor the edge.

Just saying...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Yes we do not need to tinker, but middle of the pack is middle of the pack, maybe we need to get a more agressive pressure D.

Posted by: Zeebs"

But we're not middle of the pack. We are a top 5 defense.

I agree that we might be okay on the front 3. But the LBs have to be dominant in the 3-4...particularly the outside LBs. And as you say, that is where we are most deficient. Fletcher has never been a 3-4 LB. Neither has Rockey Mac. Neither has Blades. Carter has struggled with it in the past. Zach Thomas is a HOF candidate at MLB, and he recently noted how difficult it was for him to move to the 3-4 in Dallas' system. It would nearly take an overhual to instill that on defense. An unnecessary overhaul. With the offense in the shape it's in, I don't think this team can afford to waste too many resources re-doing a defense that's already great.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Keep Jansen for that and cap issues. Say bye to Kendall. Even ARE is on the chopping block in my eyes.

Springs gone, sign hall, wait on rogers... if he wants too much next offseason say bye... keep the 3 young Safeties with Reed coming back (another reason our ST did so poorly).

Griff is questionable, Carters gone

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

JT's contract is one year so what ever he is paid is what the cap hit will be.

You are correct on restocking however this team has no direction on how to do that.

Vinny always thinks this team is a player or two away from the SB, I also heard that Vinny said in a interview that if he and Zorn do not improve this year they could both be in trouble.

The mentality of the franchise is all whacked.

The Titans were able to do what they did because they had a good GM and coach and the owner let them do what needed to be done. The funny thing is I can't tell you who owns the Titans, talk about an owner that knows his place.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

+++A monster DT would block up 2 linemen open holes for the LB's to stop the run and collapse the pocket so our DE's can pick up sackeroos

Posted by: alex35332+++


Alex the problem there is, (1) in addition to a fine NT, an effective 3-4 depends on lots of good, big, and/or mobile LBs, and (2) Big DEs to hold the point against the run.

The 'skins have neither.

A great DT for the 4-3 would be a nice addition, tho.

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I can't fathom what the pats are doing. So lets say that Brady comes back next year and they can't trade Cassell, thats 26 million in your qb's....WOW....

springs is not tradeable, and the cap hit for cutting JT, is ZERO....

cork, maulaga and cushing are great players no doubt, but you have to get someone in front of them to eat up blockers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs/All

You really can't do the "he's gone" game without looking at cap ramifications...

Thus ARE/Carter are not canidates to be jetisoned...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I meant as a whole team... even with a top 5 defense we did not make the playoffs. We all expect the O to step up, but what if they dont...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I thought JLA stated Carter was not enough of a hit to affect whether or not he was gone?

Maybe I missed something.

ARE I didnt know what his hit would be, but he aint earning that paycheck and I think we maxed him out...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

beantown, if the Patriots do it, it will work out....

I think it is pretty obvious they have serious doubts that Brady is where he needs to be. He may be done. At least as a Pat.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yea, I'm not really sure how anyone can think dropping ARE would be a good idea in the first place. I know he's not been good enough as a #2, but none of either Thomas/Kelly/Thrash have even been close to being a #3. Cutting Randle El would be gambling WAY too much on guys that have shown nothing so far. And it would leave 2 WR spots that need to be filled in the offseason.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"I meant as a whole team... even with a top 5 defense we did not make the playoffs. We all expect the O to step up, but what if they dont...

Posted by: Zeebs"

IMO, we don't help the offense by draining resources (draft picks, cap space, free agents) into the defense without any guarantee that things will improve. Do what we can to maintain the defense as is, then do everything we can to improve the offense. That's my opinion on the offseason.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Psp,

If cutting ARE meant no cap hit...I would cut him faster than you could say his name...

Dude is horible...I would much rather have Thomas/Kelly get on the job training...

BUTT dude can't be cut so keep him and try like Hades to get him into slot

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Oi, I can see the Skins getting serious morning w00d if Brady is out there. That said hard to argue against going after the guy if he is.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I meant as a whole team... even with a top 5 defense we did not make the playoffs. We all expect the O to step up, but what if they dont...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:16 AM | ============================================
That's why I support using our picks on the offensive line.

Remember, if our offense does a better job, that's automatically going to improve the D. The D get to spend less time on the field, and more of that time would be playing with a lead.

P.S. I think it's stupid of Vinnie to advertise that he wants to trade the first pick. The guy has no idea how to play poker, does he?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 2, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

BTW, great article by Sally jenkins

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

cl, 26-28 million is a LOT of cap space for 2 guys.....I understand they make good moves, but look at Cassell, you think if he goes to team x, there isn't going to be a dropoff in his production?? He spend 4 years learning the same offense, plus Wes Welker, and Randy Moss.

If someone trades for him, I think they'll be disappointed in what they end up with...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

True PSPS, but throwing picks on one side of the ball and on one position did not work well either.

Its not as black and white as I, or all of us would like to think... so I am going out of the box with the 3-4 idea, but hey, stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

People are being too harsh on Randle El. He isn't "horrible". Brandon Lloyd was horrible. Randle El was just poor as a #2 WR. He's still more than capable of playing a role and being effective at it.

He was our best red zone threat (4 TDs in the red zone). Bet you didn't see that one coming prior to the season.

Posted by: psps23 | January 2, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Well id Cassell stay with Pats and Brady is still 1+ away that it doesn't matter he continues to excell...

If they do trade him, you may be right but that won't be the Pats problem and they will have gotten "paid" when they could have had to lose him to free agency AND replace him if/when Brady needs more (lots more?) time to get back...

Also they are so thrifty they will save the money other areas while losing nothing...

Maybe if Pioli leaves this will end...but if the Pats decided to field a powder puff team next season I would think "Hey maybe they are on to something"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Oi, I can see the Skins getting serious morning w00d if Brady is out there. That said hard to argue against going after the guy if he is.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 11:23 AM

I've got two reasons: 1) the Pats are getting rid of him because his knee is shredded wheat and 2) he'll instantly suck playing here. When has a big name free agent worked here post Gibbs 1.0?

If the Pats are smart, they'll keep Cassell and trade Brady. Brady's 32 and will go nowhere but down from where he's been. Cassell's in his prime. It'll be Montana/Young all over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

f randall el...maybe i am just over emotional but I am crazy sick of that dude....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree on the Pats they are taking a big chance on being able to trade Cassell.

I know JT costs nothing if we cut him I was letting him know what he would cost if we keep him.

CL,

Agreed on cap ramifications JLC did a post on how they could clear a bunch of space, but people have to be willing to let go of the older veterans.

Springs
Griff
Washington
JT

That is the way to clear cap space and get younger otherwise same old BS next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree, you've got to take an Olineman in the first, don't even think twice about it. There's too many available in the first not to. The offense needs it bad. Get a Dlineman in the third OR in free agency.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 2, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Wood I agree just saying I could see, if that opportunity presents itself Vinny doing it to try and keep getting a pay check

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

f randall el...maybe i am just over emotional but I am crazy sick of that dude....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 11:35 AM

Yeah, I'm with you cL...I'm REEEALLY sick of his schtick. Plus running in circles for 5 seconds on punt returns pisses me off worst of all!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The starting five O-linemen on opening day 2009 will be:

LT Chris Samuels, LG Duke Robinson, C Casey Rabach, RG Randy Thomas, RT Chad Rinehart.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

From, PFT

THURSDAY GOES, AND PIOLI REMAINS A CLEVELAND CANDIDATE
Posted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2009, 11:16 a.m. EST
One of the more bizarre developments of New Year’s Day arose in connection with the ongoing courtship of Pats V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli by the Cleveland Browns.

The Boston Herald trumpeted that the Browns had given Pioli a deadline of Thursday.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer responded by reporting that no such deadline applies.

So it’s now Friday, and Pioli has yet to accept the job. And the Browns have yet to pull the plug on the discussions.

So the Herald was wrong. And, amazingly, the Friday item from the authors of Thursday’s piece, Ron Borges and Karen Guregian, fails to acknowledge the fact that the Thursday story was flat-out incorrect.

Instead, they speculate that the postponement of Falcons president Rich McKay’s interview is a “telling sign” that Pioli and the Browns are “continuing to iron out differences and forge a union.”

Um, no. The reality (as we’ve pointed out twice now) is that McKay can’t interview with the Browns until the Falcons’ season ends, since McKay is a high-level employee of the Falcons.

Why did the Herald famously retract its February 2008 report of Patriots spying at Super Bowl XXXVI but then ignore its more recent error? Well, the last time around, they faced real and substantial legal liability. This time, they only face embarrassment — if, of course, anyone realizes that the Thursday report was so grossly wrong.

So that’s the lesson, kids. Only admit you were wrong when necessary to do so in order to avoid being sued. In every other instance, shut up and hope no one notices.

Meanwhile, the folks who pound the keys at ESPN.com continue to perpetuate the notion that the Browns have given deadline, via this headline: “Report: Browns want Pioli decision soon.”

And yet there’s no reason to disregard the Plain Dealer report that the Browns have not imposed any deadline, whether it be Thursday, Friday, February 1, or the vague notion of “soon.”

Meanwhile, there’s growing speculation in league circles that misinformation regarding Pioli’s status and his supposed demands is coming either from Browns employees who fear losing their jobs — or from Patriots executives who fear losing Pioli.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Wood I agree just saying I could see, if that opportunity presents itself Vinny doing it to try and keep getting a pay check

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 11:48 AM

Oh, I would dare say it would be likely the Skins make a run at him if he's available. They'd also look to have Lombardi and Allen back for a 2nd stint if it wasn't for the tricky situation death being permanent...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The starting five O-linemen on opening day 2009 will be:

LT Chris Samuels, LG Duke Robinson, C Casey Rabach, RG Randy Thomas, RT Chad Rinehart.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 11:51 AM

Dude, Rinehart is a guard. If he couldn't get on the field AT ALL in his natural position, what makes you think he'll learn another one and START?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

MVP is ... drumroll please ... Peyton Manning.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

danny, c'mon i hope your silence means you're working on something. something splashy. as in cowher, shanahan...c'mon danny! i'm counting on you!!! give us a late x-mas present we won't mind!

greg, shut up!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

in that case cindy, i'll be rooting VERY VERY VERY hard for norvel on sat. i won't watch it but i'll root for him.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The starting five O-linemen on opening day 2009 will be:

LT Chris Samuels, LG Duke Robinson, C Casey Rabach, RG Randy Thomas, RT Chad Rinehart.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 11:51 AM
=============================================
Left O.T. is the anchor of the line. Chris Samuels might never be the same (it is his third operation on the same knee, and even if he is going to be ready to go after the triceps injury, he will be 32 in July).

So when will we address the coming need at left O.T.? When will we next have a draft pick this high in a draft so full of quality O.T. prospects?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 2, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

so did nate and mrskin21 make up?

greg, shut up!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

and i totally agree that we need to draft a gm and a head coach and a qb and a running back and a receiver and the o-line and the d-line and a lb.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

MVP is ... drumroll please ... Peyton Manning.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 2, 2009 11:59 AM

No shock there...wouldn't be the first time a Manning won an undeserved MVP award...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Rinehart is a guard. If he couldn't get on the field AT ALL in his natural position, what makes you think he'll learn another one and START?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 11:59 AM |
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He's played G and T.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

deal,

www.ilovethelions.com

I heard they have a great blog, go give it a shot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

so did nate and mrskin21 make up?

greg, shut up!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 12:03 PM |
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There's nothing to make up about.

We see things differently.

He believes JLC is a solid reporter; I believe he's a complete joke who embellishes stories for lack of access.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Rhino" played tackle in college, but has never projected to play tackle in the Pros....he is a guard now....develop him there.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

He was our best red zone threat ++++(4 TDs in the red zone).
Posted by: psps23 +++++

If that doesn't sum up how enemic our offense was, then what else would? Horrid.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 2, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Nothing going on at the park I guess, we wont see any moving on the roster for a month. Well we can always debate the merits for moving the team back to DC and the all red uniforms.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Rinehart is a guard. If he couldn't get on the field AT ALL in his natural position, what makes you think he'll learn another one and START?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 11:59 AM |
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He's played G and T.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 12:10 PM

On the left side. It works in Madden, but in real life you can't just move guys around the line and expect 'em to play well. Few can do it and I wouldn't bet on a rookie being able to do it. You don't remember the Todd Wade Experiment?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 2, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

You don't remember the Todd Wade Experiment?
=============================================
That was a progressive folk-rock band, right?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 2, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

good one Thunder...chuckles all around...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

You know the red on reds were the reason for the downfall.

Just a unnatural hellish beast not for this world...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Funny how that worked out wasn't it Zeeb.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

# Clint Sintim, Virginia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 254.
Projected Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round (2009): 1.
Also listed in the defensive end section.

12/6/08: Playing rush linebacker in the 3-4, Clint Sintim has been a pass-rushing machine, owning 12.5 TFL and 11 sacks in 10 games. He can also play strongside linebacker in the 4-3.

5/16/08: Clint Sintim should be able to play strongside or middle linebacker at the next level. After struggling through injuries in 2006, Sintim had an outstanding junior campaign. One more great season, and we could be talking second round.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Rey Maualuga, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 260.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
12/7/08: The top 3-4 inside linebacker in this class, Rey Maualuga qualified for the All-America First Team. Through 10 games, he has 68 tackles, 2.5 TFL and two picks (one returned for a touchdown).

5/11/08: Rey Maualuga put up solid numbers in 2007 despite going through some nagging injuries. Maualuga had 75 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, three sacks and a fumble recovery.

2007: Slated to be the next great linebacker at USC, Rey Maualuga has the size and speed of a top-15 prospect. Had 78 tackles, two sacks and one pick in 2006, qualifying for the All-Pac-10 First Team.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Terrence Cody*, Alabama
Height: 6-5. Weight: 365.
Projected 40 Time: 5.50.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
11/23/08: Terrence Cody said he's not declaring early, but once he discovers that he has a great shot at being drafted in the top 15, he could reconsider. Cody is a monstrous run-stuffer and should be a Kris Jenkins-like difference-maker at the next level.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Dont know how good the dudes rankings are since the OT smith is slated to be #2 by the all mighty and this guy has him top 10 behind oher and monroe

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

He believes JLC is a solid reporter; I believe he's a complete joke who embellishes stories for lack of access.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 12:14 PM

Lack of access to who - the owner and GM? What actual inside information are they dealing to anyone? You would have a point if the Washington Times was breaking news about the Redskins that TWP was missing. But that is not the case. There are people at the Park who talk to JLC and when he uses "unnamed sources" know that his editors know who those individuals are. Glass, Blair, and Cooke didn't lie through use of unnamed sources; their sources were made up. There is a difference. Know that when the people in control leak information, they are doing it for their own ends not because they believe we deserve to know and some of it may be less than true. Remember the stories about GWilliams not getting the job because he was disrespectful Joe Gibbs?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

And maybe this guy

Devin Moore, Wyoming
Height: 5-9. Weight: 192.
Projected 40 Time: 4.32.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
10/18/08: Devin Moore has 688 rushing yards (5.2 YpC) and three touchdowns through seven games. He ran for 97 yards on just 14 carries (it was a blowout) against BYU, a team that was considered a national title contender before it was debacled by TCU.

5/21/08: The 2009 version of Chris Johnson. Think about it - Devin Moore is an undersized, non-BCS prospect with a blazing 40 and the ability to return kicks. You might as well pencil him into the Titans' roster.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

and then this dude

Sam Young*, Notre Dame
Height: 6-7. Weight: 313.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
11/1/08: As expected, Sam Young really improved this season and has emerged as a possible second-round prospect.

2007: Sam Young really struggled at Penn State. On one drive, he was guilty of holding and false start penalties. He was also responsible for a few sacks allowed.

Young was arguably the top recruit in the 2006 high school class, and you can tell why by just looking at him. Started for Notre Dame as a true freshman and went against the likes of Lawrence Jackson. Still has room to grow, which is pretty scary.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Or this guy

Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma
Height: 6-8. Weight: 350.
Projected 40 Time: 5.36.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
11/1/08: Phil Loadholt was beaten easily by Brian Orakpo a few weeks ago. Orakpo has abused everyone this year, but Loadholt's lacking athleticism was glaring on that play. Still, he should make for an outstanding right tackle on the next level.

7/22/08: Phil Loadholt was arrested for suspicion of DUI in June.

5/24/08: A mammoth of an offensive tackle and a tremendous run-blocker. I have a feeling Phil Loadholt is going to be blocking for tons of 1,000-yard backs throughout his NFL career as a right tackle.

2007: I'm going out on a limb by saying this guy likes cheeseburgers.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Then in the 3rd

A.Q. Shipley, Penn State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
5/26/08: A.Q. Shipley has started every game the past two years and was named to the All-Big Ten first team. Co-captain for the Nittany Lions in 2008.

2007: I'd like to see A.Q. Shipley put on a few more pounds of muscle. He has two years to do so, meaning he still has time to move up my rankings. Shipley has has 14 career starts as of the first week of September.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

From PFT

JARED ALLEN “BEGS” VIKINGS FANS TO BUY TICKETS
Posted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2009, 12:43 p.m. EST
The man who was begging Minnesotans to not eat turkeys prior to Thanksgiving is now begging them to devote their Christmas money to the purchase of playoff tickets.

In a video posted on the team’s official web site, Allen makes the case for fans to fill the Metrodome.

He says that the postseason is “like driving a race car in the red all the time,” which is interesting since he’s never actually played in a playoff game. (But he’s surely driven a car in the red. Or at least with red eyes.)

“I’m asking you, I’m begging the people of Minnesota,” Allen says. “Buy up these tickets. Spend a little cashish. We just had Christmas, [you] probably got a little Christmas bonus. Go buy some tickets.”

You can watch the full video right here.

The Vikings face a Friday deadline of 4:30 p.m. EST to sell sufficient tickets to lift a local television blackout. It’s possible that the Vikings will receive another 24-hour extension.

From me,

What a joke that city is they don't even deserve a team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

zeebs,

shipley,cody, and loadholt, yup, yup and yup....I'd put loadholt at G, and let him just obliterate guys on the inside...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe a young fast CB not like tryon...

especially if hall gets away and rodgers expects a pay day... we will then be relying on springs to be healthy for two more years unless we get this guy

Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.34.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
12/13/08: Attention, Al Davis! This man runs a low 4.3! Draft him now!

5/17/08: Let's see... very tall (6-2), very fast (4.34 40) and very annoying to opposing quarterbacks (five picks). Domonique Johnson transferred from Missouri to Jackson State for undisclosed reasons, so that's keeping me from putting him any higher on this list.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

flound, I heard AZ was having trouble selling out as well....ufb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

not selling out playoff games is def a FUBAR

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Thats cause they both gonna lose!!

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yep, AZ has another hour and a half to get it done after receiving a 24 hour extension.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Here comes the LOAD! beantown

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

zeebs....I'm not comfortable with that statement....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Is this just people with season tix plans not ponying up another few hunge

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I had a feeling.... i read that after and said 'ooh, doesnt paint a great picture'

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

From me,

What a joke that city is they don't even deserve a team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:01 PM

Flounder--No, it's worse than that. They deserve a team, but with Vinnie as the GM.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

jasno is biased. he's anti-vinny. but he wouldn't make up stories. that's a very quick way to get fired in this economy with papers merging and cutting staff. he's a wapo employee and it's wapo's credibility on the line.

i hate the george bush and cheney regime and yet dan rather along with cbs lost all the respect i had for them for a long long long time when they aired the forged document story. reputation is hard to get back.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Lack of access to who - the owner and GM? What actual inside information are they dealing to anyone? You would have a point if the Washington Times was breaking news about the Redskins that TWP was missing. But that is not the case. There are people at the Park who talk to JLC and when he uses "unnamed sources" know that his editors know who those individuals are. Glass, Blair, and Cooke didn't lie through use of unnamed sources; their sources were made up. There is a difference. Know that when the people in control leak information, they are doing it for their own ends not because they believe we deserve to know and some of it may be less than true. Remember the stories about GWilliams not getting the job because he was disrespectful Joe Gibbs?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 12:52 PM |
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Matt Moseley breaks Redskins news all the frikkin' time.

What's JLC's excuse?

You'd have a point if you weren't so busy covering some rube's backside on here by referencing the Moonie paper.

The blog is for the fans, and for the fans to write what they please re the team, and even the beat writer, good and bad.

As for this:

++There are people at the Park who talk to JLC and when he uses "unnamed sources" know that his editors know who those individuals are. Glass, Blair, and Cooke didn't lie through use of unnamed sources; their sources were made up. There is a difference.+++

Your inexperience working at a publication shows; an editor is not necessarily privy to the NAME of the "source." I don't where you ever got that impression.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

As many times as the Vikings have choked (including 4 Super Bowls), I can't say I blame fans for not wanting to plunk down money in this economy to watch another meltdown.

However, I DO believe they'll beat Philly.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

deal try these:

www.barrysandersrules.com

or

www.mattmillenisgoneitsourtime.com

the 2 guys who post regularly on those blogs are anxiously awaiting a third....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

An exerpt from my very first Fan Nation blog post (!!!!!!!!!) :

"The Redskins offensive line, if no changes are made, will look like this on the first week next year :


RT Jon Jansen (age 33)

RG Randy Thomas (age 33)

C Casey Rabach (turns 32 two weeks later)

LG Pete Kendell (age 36)

LT Chris Samuels (age 32)

Average age = 32.3

To put this in perspective, here are the average starting ages for some of the league's top offensive lines.

Tennessee Titans 28.4 (1 player over 30, and that is 37 year old C Kevin Mawae. Replace him with 24 year old backup C Leroy Harris and the average drops to 25.8.)

Carolina Panthers 26 (1 player over 30)

New York Giants 28.6 (1 player over 30)

Minnesota Vikings 29 (2 players over 30)

New England Patriots 28.4 (1 player over 30)

New York Jets 28 (2 players over 30)

Dallas Cowboys 30.6 (Note : 4/5 OL starters for the Cowboys are 30. Flozell Adams is 33.)

Indianapolis Colts 26.8 (1 player over 30)"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Truth, you dont see Heyer as RT and Kendall gone next year? I do.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

ohh greg, why are you wasting your time googling such things? it doesn't bother me that you call me a lions fan. but if you are going to call me names i suggest you call me a raiders fan instead. that's more close to my "home" than detroit.

btw you have one more shut up! left in the bank.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Phil Loadholt has been dropping in the mock drafts I've seen. Meanwhile, Ciron Black has held steady, and Eben Britton and especially, Jason Smith have risen (WalterFootball now has Smith going as the 8th pick overall).
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

truth, I'd say there is a very good chance that 2 of those players are replaced by younger guys next year.....move than a very good chance...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Spags is now top candidate for Jets job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

dealer, with all the sturm and drang about the "forged documents" did anyone ever say that the underlying premise of the National Guard story - that Bush did not perform his service - wasn't true.

The widely accepted account that Mapes and Rather's original piece on Bush and the Guard was unproved and discredited has been based on the notion that the documents revealed were false. But three years after the heated controversy exploded, these premises appear very uncertain in the cold light of day.

Upon graduation from Yale in 1968, George W. Bush was accepted into the Texas Air National Guard, known as the "Champagne Unit" for serving as a haven for the privileged sons of the Texas elite seeking to escape duty in Vietnam. Through carefully placed calls made by Bush family friends, Bush was edged ahead of a 500-man waiting list. Then, after failing to complete his required hours of flight, he requested transfer to a unit in Montgomery, Ala. But there is no proof that he ever performed any of his service there; he refused to take a physical and was grounded. Ordered to return to his Houston base, he simply disappeared. Yet he was honorably discharged in 1973, though there is no proof that he had fulfilled his obligation. Rather is suing CBS over his termination.

During the 2000 campaign, the Boston Globe reported a number of discrepancies in Bush's National Guard record. However, the rest of the national press corps virtually ignored the Globe's stories, instead preferring to swarm around fictions about Al Gore helpfully stoked by the Bush campaign. Bush refused to make public his military records, in contrast to his principal primary opponent, Sen. John McCain, who had released his. But the press collectively let the matter pass. Nonetheless, the gaps in Bush's service as reported by the Globe had not been answered and hung in the air, if anyone cared to pursue them.

-Sidney Blumenthal in Salon

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

That is just if no changes are made, Zeebs.

I see either Heyer or a rookie at RT, maybe Heyer until we can transition the rookie in (that apparently takes Zorn a full year to do).

Kendell prolly gone.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

ifthe,

They have us taking Britton at 13.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

deal, you're in luck then....

www.whereismarcusallen.com

or

www.aldavisismisunderstood.com

all yours pal....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

TT how were you discerning the better lines in the league? NE used to have a good line but I think Castle was sacked more than anyone this year.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice break down truth...

Alex, I'd say all those lines are top notch and while Pats did struggle in Pass Pro, they did run block very well...and had their best rushing numbers in years...

Also some of those sacks are prolly on Cassell as he hadn't played since high school......

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

One other thing we must look at it is one thing to draft OL, it is another that they will get playing time.

I think you get rid of Kendall because if he is here Buges might try and play him.

We have to go young some of the guys will have to learn on the job to bad, they can't be much worse then the crappy OL we through out there each week this year.

Buges will have to get over liking veterans and play the young guys, or he needs to go.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Spags is now top candidate for Jets job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

He makes the most sense to me. Known and respected in the city.
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learnedhand1, WTF u talking about. I love politics as much as everyone in DC but we have rules about that on the board.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

actually Alex, it was more of a random selection. Someone on here said they have a good line so I pulled their stats.

Still, the average age of the OL on those 8 teams I did is 28.225 while next year we would be at 32.3. That's telling.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

ifthe,

They have us taking Britton at 13.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:26 PM
==============================================
I saw that, and I'd be happy if that's what we do.

I see Vinnie's bloviating about trading down for more picks as the noise of an incompetent man yelling "Watch me as I GMify, and such as!"
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

flound, agreed 1000% on buges, on the young cats. Rhino needs to be put into Kendals spot next year, and the team needs to draft a RT this draft, among other things. Gotta start to trust these guys at some point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Your inexperience working at a publication shows; an editor is not necessarily privy to the NAME of the "source." I don't where you ever got that impression.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 1:17 PM

I got that impression from my prior experience working as a reporter.

And you don't really dispute what I say as evidenced by this: "an editor is not necessarily privy..." What does that mean pray tell? Unless you know JLC's editors are not privy, you shouldn't make charges you cannot prove.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

thats not to say that I'm against bringing Kendall back, but no way he starts next year.....

OH St. and BYU have a couple of guys coming out that are deemed to be 2nd - 4th round selections, Alex Boone being the only one that comes to mind....goes 6'8, and 320 ish....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Your my dog LH...

Oh and speaking of dogs...congrats Truth on your Bowl Win...I love giving you the bizness on UGA...but Winning the Meinke Blown Shocks Bowl is no joke!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

ifthe,

They also have us taking a nice Guard in the third his name is Andy Kemp he's a big boy.

I would like to get more picks but we still need to draft a top RT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand1, WTF u talking about. I love politics as much as everyone in DC but we have rules about that on the board.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:33 PM

What rules are those Alex? My comment didn't "include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments." I was just letting dealer know that he doesn't have to lose all respect for Rather.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I with you guys in theory and 3/4 practice about starting the young lineman...

But I do have to give Buges some benifit of the doubt as he is evaluating these cats...you can't just throw out a lineman if you don't think he is ready and get your players killed...

...Wait Justin Geisenger...sorry...never mind...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I don't mind bringing Kendall back as a backup, just worried Buges would try to start him saying Rhino is not ready.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

CL the feeling is mutual.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Hand,
WE, as in the blog hamsters not the Post just have a general avoid politics on the sports blog philosophy. It was a big deal and a real problem during the elections, not that I am 100% innocent of it, just giving ya the heads up.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I got that impression from my prior experience working as a reporter.

And you don't really dispute what I say as evidenced by this: "an editor is not necessarily privy..." What does that mean pray tell? Unless you know JLC's editors are not privy, you shouldn't make charges you cannot prove.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:36 PM |
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Go ahead and ask Cindy if she has all the names and numbers of every "source" this goof uses.

As for your "experience working as a reporter," I don't think your tenure on the high school newspaper really counts.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

all right, Resolutions, put them out there:

I'll go first:

1. Beat back the advances of time, and at a minimum be at the gym 4 times a week.

2. Patience, patience, patience...become slow to judge, and slow to anger instead of the other way around...

3. Tithe more

what say you?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Alex but I wasn't posting it as a political screed or to make a political point. Facts are facts. I was just letting dealing know that Rather wasn't all wrong. And nothing should be off limits so long as people can communicate respectfully, i.e., disagree without being disagreeable.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

And nothing should be off limits so long as people can communicate respectfully, i.e., disagree without being disagreeable.

But there are exceptions. Exhibit A: Mr. Redskin21.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Learned,

I agree but the problem is that last line

"And nothing should be off limits so long as people can communicate respectfully, i.e., disagree without being disagreeable."

We have yet to get any proof that the RI community can ever do this on any topic even when we are in agreement.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Im game

1) Quit nicotine

2) Quit Drinking for 5 months to help that age/gym thingy you mentioned

3) Go to church services more often

4) Fam to do more things outside the house

5) Get a family hobby (goes with #4 i guess)

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

don't be jealous chrislarry

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskin21

Dude seriously she has stated it in the past.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

zeebs, good for you buddy, and good luck with really all of them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand1, your naivete is your problem, not mine.

However, I'll give you a fine example of a reporter and editor interacting re sources, from a situation far more important that pro football:

+++Bob Woodward: A White House aide told me that Hunt was investigating Kennedy.

Ben Bradlee: Who was it?

Woodward: Who was it? You want the name, you mean?

Bradlee: No, how senior? How high up?

Woodward: I don't know titles.

(Bradlee crosses out large chunks of the story and rewrites the lede a bit, then hands it to Carl Bernstein.)

Bradlee: Get some harder information next time.+++

As for "being respectful" on here, get real. JLC is as much a target as anyone, i.e., Vinny, The Danny, Zorn, JC, et al.

And my suspicion that he's embellishing his stories (if you can call that trash "stories") stands.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Norv Turner....worst head coach ever....

He should burn in hell for what he did to the REDSKINS.

Posted by: goosedude | January 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

My resolutions.

1) Drink better quality drinks more often, and drink bad drinks less.
2) Blog more often, and drunker
3) Take over the world or a small nation at least.
4) Skillfully avoid any attempt by my GF to move our relationship past living together.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, you too.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude seriously she has stated it in the past.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 1:52 PM |
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Super. Then you shouldn't have any trouble retrieving and posting her statement.

Take your time.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

And too that end I used my heavy bag the wife gave me last week... my muscles ache like never before.

I just cant get down with goaless cardio. I used to play soccer and could run an entire 90 minute game... that averages on 6 miles... basically alternating between wind sprints and jogging with some suicides thrown in...

So the bag is a god send. such a good workout. I reccomend for any smokers wishing to quit, you need something to punch so you might as well get fit doing it!

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

goosedude,

Maybe its me but I hate Spurrier more.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

al, nice job aiming high.....LOL....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

So the bag is a god send. such a good workout. I reccomend for any smokers wishing to quit, you need something to punch so you might as well get fit doing it!

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:02 PM |
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That's pretty funny.

And if you're serious about quitting, I'd recommend Chantix. It works very well; the only drawback being the side effects some people have re strange, vivid dreams/nightmares and occasional insomnia.

But for 12 weeks, it's worth enduring.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I tried 21, didnt work.

I did the patch and then the inhalar... didnt work. Went back to the patch but used a stronger one and it worked.

Chantix gave me some wierd dreams but ultimately i still wanted to smoke when I drank.

So the patch doesnt let you have cravings since it releases the steady stream...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

what in the world is alex talking about?

lh, i wasn't saying anything about the story just that they let a forged document and themselves become a story.

rember when jasno called the nfl on vinny at the begining of the year? it's sorta like that. you better be sure, really sure that what you have is a smoking gun otherwise you'll look like a fool and end up becoming a story yourself.

in both instances reporters ended up becoming the story. and got people to take their eyes off of the problem. painted vinny and bush as the victim instead.

is that enough politics for you alex?

greg, i'm telling you. you're really wasting your time. and ohh shut up!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

what is this heavy bag you're talking about?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

But i know many it did work for... I am not sure but I think my addictive personality fought it... peeps I know who failed on it had a lot of addicition triggers

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Come on truth, really?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,
Now I get the reference.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

okay people...my one and only resolution of the year:

be flexible! i can't touch my toes. so i'm aiming to touch the ground with my knuckles by the end of the year.

and ohh yeah be flexible in life too. which i think is harder than touching the ground with knuckles...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

oh you mean a punching bag

:S

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

as a lions/raiders fan, you should have learned flexibility LONG ago when it came to rooting for those francises....

Try the veal, I'm here all week.......


(crickets...........)

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

after 10 years of ownership you're still blaming the skins demise on a head coach? really?

danny fired casserly when he should've fired norv. danny got that george QB and forced him on norv. then danny got all those free agents that couldn't play.

not making excuses for norv but it was danny that f'ed up the situation by firing the wrong guy. and that has been the case ever since. signing the wrong guy and letting go of the right guy.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

From the BOG.

when Czaban asked Zorn whether he was shocked by the lack of production out of the three second-round pass catchers this season.

"No. I mean, I think that's the reality, so I wasn't shocked," Zorn said. "I think we were all hoping for more, but we couldn't get any more. Malcolm [Kelly] had a hard time rehabbing and getting his injuries in line so he could actually get on the field. By the time he did, I mean, one of the reasons he only had three catches was because I wasn't even letting him be active, so there was no way he could even catch a ball. So that wasn't really his problem, I just didn't let him get active.

"And then secondly, Fred Davis, on the flip side, he didn't come on until mid-season on special teams, so I couldn't activate him until he got much better....They're young guys, they're very enthusiastic, they kind of see the game a little bit differently than when they first got in here, and I see a tremendous amount of improvement. I would suspect that if these guys have the same season next year, THAT'S when I would be shocked."

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | January 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Smart Front Offices look for younger up-n-comers on other teams that are at the end of contracts or close and poach them b/c the OG team can't afford to pay them to be a back up, or cant afford to cut the vet.

One example of the Skins actually doing this was when the signed Rabach. Now his play last year was subpar, but he has been very solid for the Skins and could prolly still be good if overall line play/scheme improved.

I would love for our FO to have that kind of FA plan.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse
That's exactly right, cl. We don't have to chase Haynesworth. We make leak that he is who we will go after, bu we should look to sign one of these other DT's, and the same with a LB.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 2, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

What Zorn and Cerrator are saying is: The fundamentals for success are strong.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

greg, maybe in september? or october?

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually use the report abuse thingy?

I only know of a handful of situ's that require it, but has anyone actually done it?

Maybe it isnt something someone doesnt want to admit... if so do you think it has?

Dont know why i am wondering, but i am

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

if I close my eye's and stick my fingers in my ears and scream lalalalala, will that make those quotes from zorn go away......ugh....stupid...just incredibly stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Nevertheless, I still expect Vinny to sign a FA WR (preferably with an injury) to a colossally bloated contract.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | January 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow, i should be reported for abuse of a double negative within a run-on sentence...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I hope Zorn works out in the end but I get the vibe that he just got overloaded.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

On a positive note, I guess the blog off-season has begun. It's better in the off-season anyway. Too much vitriol and hyperbole during the season.

I have no idea what that means, but doesn't it sound really good?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | January 2, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

al, I'm going to agree with you, and then I'm sticking my fingers in my ears.....I still don't get it......in with good air, out with bad air.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

greg, what's more surprising is that after having watched and listen to his geniusness that you would be surprised to hear him say those things.
he's kooky,
he's a lil spooky,
and all around ooky,
he's gomez and lurch combined from
the adams family.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 2, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey there...let me again reiterate: we don't make up sources and editors are aware of the identity of their reporters' sources.
beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes it is the fun time of the blog.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

+++If the Pats are smart...

Posted by: brownwood26+++

Whattaya mean “if the Pats are smart?”

Compared to them, Norman Einstein was a piker.

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

BEEEP BEEP

Posted by: alex35332 | January 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Wild-card weekend is nearly upon us and The League looks at each of the matchups.

"With Indianapolis going to San Diego, there's really only one burning question: Should Norv Turner (you remember him) be credited or blamed for the Chargers' 8-8 record?"

Norv of course. He fired the defensive coordinator. And we all know how good he is at picking them. (Mike Nolan fired HC coach of the 49'ers.) Without a great defensive coach he is at best mediocre as an HC.

"Ahead of Baltimore-Miami, we asked if Chad Pennington is really a playoff-caliber quarterback."

Yes. Really did a great job overcoming the adversity of his Jets years.

"Out of the Philadelphia-Minnesota game, we wonder which player is more indispensable: Westbrook or Peterson?"

Both. But more Westbrook. See what happened when the Redskins almost entirely shut him down.

"Atlanta vs. Arizona is intriguing on a number of levels, but which do you think is more dangerous: the Falcons' running game or the Cardinals' passing game?"

Both young teams. Falcons running game + defense is superior.

"By Cindy Boren | January 2, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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