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A Shanahan will call plays, but which one?

I was skimming through stories in the archives and ran across an interesting Mike Shanahan quote in the Houston Chronicle a few years back. Shanahan's assistant Gary Kubiak had been named new head coach of the Houston Texans.

"Gary's going to learn just like I had to learn and many of us have to learn," Mike Shanahan said. "At first, he'll want to do everything -- coach the starting quarterback, call the plays -- everything."

Sound like someone familiar?

"At some point, he's going to learn that there's so much to worry about on game days -- so many responsibilities that go with being a head coach -- that you have to delegate," Shanahan said. "That's why I finally turned over the play calling to Gary. It helped make me a better coach."

In Kubiak's first years in Houston, he didn't delegate, opting to call the offensive plays himself. But in the final game of the 2008 season, he allowed his first-year offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan, to call plays. Kyle did such a good job - the Texans overcame a 10-0 deficit and won 31-24 - that he was given full-time play-calling responsibilities for 2009.

"I went through it with his dad, and I got more and more comfortable," Kubiak told the Chronicle.

So Mike Shanahan ceded play-calling duties to Kubiak, who eventually ceded them to Kyle Shanahan. The question now becomes, here in Washington, will the elder Shanahan call plays, as he did at times in Denver? Or did his son Kyle earn that honor by steering the league's fourth-best offense in Houston last season?

(Actually, your more pressing question might be, where in the world is Kyle Shanahan? While the Texans are already locking up his replacement, the Redskins haven't even formally announced Kyle as their next offensive coordinator. Fret not, sources close to Kyle Shanahan say he and his wife were expecting the birth of their second child early this week. He'll likely find his way to the Washington area next week. But back to the play-calling...)

There have been no indications of what Mike Shanahan plans to do with the play-calling, but he holds his son in especially high regard as a coach and offensive strategist, and you can bet he studied and scrutinized every play Kyle Shanahan called last season.

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With the almost-as-evil Patriots happily eliminated by way of that humiliating defeat on their own field, I'm focusing all my "lose now" vibes on the Cowboys.

There's no other team remaining in the postseason tournament that I dislike anywhere near as much as I dislike Dallas. You could add up all the dislike I have for the other seven remaining teams combined and multiply it by, like, twelve, and you'd still be a long way from how much I dislike Dallas. What I mean to say here is that I really, really, do not care for this team.

F rooting for a team that has not participated in the second round of the playoffs in five years and has not advanced past the second round of the playoffs in eighteen friggin' years.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | January 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

opps first to say second

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | January 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

oops first to say second

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | January 12, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The new baby would be a better play caller then Zorn, so who cares which one of them it will be.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

As long as the play caller is not named "Zorn" it will be an improvement.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 12, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I see what you're doing...post the worst imaginable thing on a Redskins blog and then give us this to make us think this ain't so bad. Well played, RI. Well played.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It don't make much difference who calls the plays. It's more important to know who's executing them.

And for so long as JC17 continues to be the first offensive player to touch the ball, the Redskins are doomed to continuing failure.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Not at all! That was just a topic to discuss. Of course, you're not going to really root for the Cowboys! Duh.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 12, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I think Kyle will do a great job. I know Mike S. would suggests plays during the game if the team hits a rough patch or two. So as I see it, the Skins play calling next year should be light years ahead of what we went through this past season.

Posted by: TWISI | January 12, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Fret not, sources close to Kyle Shanahan say he and his wife were expecting the birth of their second child early this week."

Sources, huh? Try the internet.

Looks like Mom knows best for Kyle...

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/100106-kyle-shanahan-join-father

Posted by: oh_boy1 | January 12, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Bring on more JReid hate even though neither of the posts today have been his.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

And for so long as JC17 continues to be the first offensive player to touch the ball, the Redskins are doomed to continuing failure.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 12, 2010 10:55 AM


Joe Flacco just went 4-10 for 34 yards (and a pick) and won a road playoff game. You'd be surprised what JC can do with a team around him...

Let that marinate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

HAd to change topics quick...lol...talk about building a consensus...

That was the highest consensus ever built up on RI outside of ST21 being kilt!

And ofcourse Kyle is going to call plays. He did it in Houston well. But it'll be a game plan put together by both Shannys. They are like minded....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I ain't a footballer, or even too smart, but isn't the center the first offensive player to touch the fubbal?

Posted by: David90 | January 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Grimm could turn down Bills interview
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 12, 2010 10:56 AM ET
The Bills have officially asked Cardinals assistant Russ Grimm for an interview, but it's unclear whether he'll officially accept the opportunity.

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic says Grimm wants to learn more before taking the interview. ESPN suggested Grimm is expected to turn down the chance.

Timing is also a problem. Grimm could interview this week under league rules, but the Cardinals are operating on a short week. It may tough to find time for an interview.

We're a little surprised Grimm wouldn't jump at the chance to be a head coach, but he's been around the interview block before.

Perhaps Grimm lives by the wise words of Oregon State coach Mike Riley, who spoke about his decision to pass on USC's coaching offer: "I have a new motto. If you are happy, stay happy."

Posted by: TWISI | January 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

WTF? Re-sign Heyer? The same guy who got abused week in and week out? Could somebody explain the logic behind this?

Posted by: Istudydrugs | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM

Cheap back up OT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse
Exactly. You don't cut the best ones you have until you have "coached up" better replacements. It would be very nice if we had Heyer and Jones as back-up OT's.

Also, a lot of Heyer's issues occured when he had bad wheels, I think it was an ankle sprain.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

And for so long as JC17 continues to be the first offensive player to touch the ball, the Redskins are doomed to continuing failure.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

We get that you don't like Campbell. Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: mattylight | January 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

All this speculation. I would look at helping to lower a team's cap, build youth, all the while not destroying the team's talent base. I would look to get rid of high priced older vets, who have made contributions, but are on the back end of their careers. So guys like Griff, Daniels, Thomas, Samuels, ARE, Smoot. Then I would look at older vets that will be just hanging on (1-2 productive years left) in the upcoming season Wynn, Betts, Cartwright, BMW, Collins, Yoder. Then I'd turn to the under-performing younger vets. Monty, Jackson, Rinehart. Then I'd make the hard decisions latter in the off-season on CP, JC. Everyone else would be coming to camp, competing for a job.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I like your approach. I'm not sure about some of the younger ones. I think I would keep some of them on the 80 man roster, until I see someone else who can take their place, especially linemen. BMW just turned 29, Rinehart and Jackson are still only 24. I think they need to be retained for depth at this point.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

And for so long as JC17 continues to be the first offensive player to touch the ball, the Redskins are doomed to continuing failure.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 12, 2010 10:55 AM

He'll always be the second offensive player to touch the ball unless you're thinking of moving him to center.

Nincompoop.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

thats right, JC has doomed the redskins, who would want a guy who threw 3600 yds and 20 tds when you could have an unproven rookie behind the worst o-line in the league?

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 12, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

As Jason's Mom, I would personally like to thank you, Mr. Brownwood, for lowering the the bar for my son.
Expectations for him were far too high considering the all the new systems etc... And it was so unfair to expect him to throw a ball accurately over 10 yards.

By the way, Jason says "Hi" to all his fans from his rigorous offseason conditioning at the pilates spa in the Virgin Islands.

Again, Thanks
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Joe Flacco just went 4-10 for 34 yards (and a pick) and won a road playoff game. You'd be surprised what JC can do with a team around him...

Let that marinate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:02 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Love how EVERY topic falls back to the JC debate. I can't remember a more polarizing player on the Redskins over the last 15 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm mixed on M. Shanahan or K. Shanahan calling plays. Which one speaks slower? That will be important if they keep Campbell. Maybe they should also evaluate who wields a better Crayola.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember a more polarizing player on the Redskins over the last 15 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM

Antonio Pierce? LaVar Arrington? RedDMV? TheCork?

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

My $.02 and it's hardly anything new as I've heard guys like Mort (I think) and Peter King say they think Shanahan will do this. I've seen it mentioned on RI many times as well.

Keep JC and draft a rookie QB in one of the later rounds (2-7) to develop. Go OT with the first pick.

Posted by: skinswest | January 12, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Love how EVERY topic falls back to the JC debate. I can't remember a more polarizing player on the Redskins over the last 15 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm just tired of talking about it. Here's the bottom line: some people on RI think JC17 can be a good QB in the NFL, some people on RI think he sucks. We've been debating it for months. Neither group seems to be changing the others' minds. Why not just drop it?

Posted by: mattylight | January 12, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

As Jason's Mom, I would personally like to thank you, Mr. Brownwood, for lowering the the bar for my son.
Expectations for him were far too high considering the all the new systems etc... And it was so unfair to expect him to throw a ball accurately over 10 yards.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM


Besides being unoriginal and completely unfunny, I just love how you assert that a QB that completed 64% of his passes for 3600 yards and has NEVER in his career thrown more picks than TDs in a season is so wildly inaccurate. I'm still waiting for the JC bashers to scare up a realistic alternative...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

JC is polorizing because it is the classic battle of the bell curve. While we are dicussing the limits of having a terrible o-line and no running game, those who want jc gone are eating paste and wondering how the put their underwear on backwards again.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, when you watch football do you even watch what the other players on the offense are doing? i find it almost comical how you comment about what campbell didn't do to win the game but anytime the coaching staff has to eliminate 7 step drops which are needed for down the field throw you know there's a problem with protection. campbell makes mistakes but considering he's gotta worry about who's gonna whoop his a-s-s next definitely crosses his mind. even when tom brady played his first few games this season he looked terrible because he was concerned about someone hitting his legs again and putting him out for another season. the difference between you and campbell is this: he can take a hit and still get back up. from your armchair sofa, if your remote falls and hits your pinky toe, i'm sure you'd call the paramedics quick. you probably never played a down of football in your life save madden. noone says you have to like any one particular player on a team but based on your various posts, you don't know shyt about the basics of football otherwise you'd know that the game is won by offense, defense and special teams. we didn't have much of an offense and that was partially campbell's fault, he could've tucked the ball and run on instinct, he could've read the defenses better, yes...but it was also the 5 guys in front of him not protecting him or opening holes for the running backs, it was portis not practicing w/ the o line to establish cohesion, it was the receivers not coming back on plays to catch the ball, it was the corners for not being able to make the game changing turnovers, it was landry for not wrapping tackles and playing SMART football, it was the corners not jamming the receivers to force the qb to hold the ball longer, it was the corners who gave more cushion than a fuqqin furniture store, it was randle else not being able to catch the ball w/ confidence and getting his a-s-s up the field and NOT running laterally, it was suisham not making chip shot fg's that would've won those close games for us. you can't name one game this season where campbell completely lost it for us without considering how other aspects of the offense, defense and special teams could've also stepped up to contribute. and you can't name one winning qb in the league that's lacking in one phase of the game. remember, the skins were dead last in the league in rushing 1st downs. also, there's no such thing as "garbage/crunch" time as you said. in the saints game, we were ahead so there's no reason for the saints d to play prevent on us. in fact, i can't think of any one game where a team played prevent on us. when campbell gets in a rhythm, he's show that he can play w/ the best of them. as an armchair qb, you're too dumb to observe even the obvious.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | January 12, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I had to respond to this from a few threads back.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm mixed on M. Shanahan or K. Shanahan calling plays. Which one speaks slower? That will be important if they keep Campbell. Maybe they should also evaluate who wields a better Crayola.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 11:22 AM

The SkinHead in you is truly reflected in this post.

Posted by: TWISI | January 12, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

response continued:

Campbell jocksniffer, whether I played football or not (played through high school btw but that was 20 years ago) it doesn't take a rocket scientist or football savant to watch JC throw a hail mary out of bounds, throw it away on 4th and 9, watch him consistently miss wide open receivers, watch never ever hit Moss in stride, or watch him throw screen passes to the other team for pick 6 to know he's not a very good QB. I never ever said he's the only reason we lost. I have repeatedly said oline and rb are more important needs than JC. However, excuse it all you want, he fails to even make the most basic reads (simple corner blitzes mystify him), he fails to make the basic throws, and he loses track of down and distance with regularity. So I guess one day we'll see if he ever finds that all elusive rythm you speak of, but for me, after 50 starts he ought to be a lot farther along then he is in the above mentioned areas. 5th year veterans shouldn't be checking to runs directly into the blitz on 3rd 8 (Giants week 1), throw crunch time INTs 15 yards from game winning FG range (Saints), throw the ball away on 4th and 9 (Cowboys), throw a hail mary out of bounds with all the time in the world (Chargers), miss wide open slugo when that is his primary read (Eagles), and many many other mistakes. Quit letting your mancrush cloud your judgment, would we have won more games if our oline was better, the defense could cover a double move, suisham had made his kicks, and we had competent coaches? Yes, I said repeatedly this should have been a 7 win team at minimum, coaches cost us the Lions game, and suisham cost us the Cowboys and Saints. But none of that changes that Campbell who throws 80% of his passes less than 10 yards, 28% behind the line of scrimmage, and can't hit the broadside of a barn beyond 10 yards is a average QB who is tough and gets up and keeps trying so everyone tends to forgive and forget all his other mistakes. The one thing Zorn got right here was telling him boo-hoo when he complained, its a tough game played by tough men, its JC's job to hit a wide open receiver when he has time, he rarely can......

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

ummmm Still playing at a rookie QB skill level with 50+ career starts, no "come from behind wins" and only four divisional wins, total, on your 4 year resume will do that. Also wasting, along the way, a perennial top 8 or better ranked Defense.

The best JC stat that a WAPO writer came up with (Boswell).. JC is ranked near last of all the QBs in NFL history (w/900 att+) for Red Zone scoring efficiency.
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brown wrote.
Love how EVERY topic falls back to the JC debate. I can't remember a more polarizing player on the Redskins over the last 15 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

zj,

im sure your response will be insightful and well thought out, or at least as much as your previous post.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

zj,

What do you have to say about the fact that JC plays very well when the line doesn't lay down and die?

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

not true, in the last few seconds of the First Half in the last giants game.... JC hit Moss, in stride for 40+ yards, and DAvis too, if he hadnt dropped the pass at the endzone..
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....its JC's job to hit a wide open receiver when he has time, he rarely can......

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:31 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

not true, in the last few seconds of the First Half in the last giants game.... JC hit Moss, in stride for 40+ yards, and DAvis too, if he hadnt dropped the pass at the endzone..
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....its JC's job to hit a wide open receiver when he has time, he rarely can......

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:31 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

lol, that would be todd collins that threw those passes....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Plan on rooting somewhat for the Ravens from here on out. Would love to see two teams in the SB who have never won it before if not the Ravens. rooting against the Cowboys and Colts (the Irsay family did screw the city of Baltimore).

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 12, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

jc convo=dull

wake me when shanny makes some choices on this front.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

zj,

What do you have to say about the fact that JC plays very well when the line doesn't lay down and die?

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

really? I don't recall that ever happening, I remember Portis carrying us for the first half of last year until he broke down and campbell playing an entire season with all of his skill position players healthy and throwing 13 TDs. we have had the worst scoring offense other than the Lions and the Browns for the last 5 years.....obviously that falls on more than JC but he is a prominent figure in the offense correct?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

jc convo=dull

wake me when shanny makes some choices on this front.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

agreed, I'm done

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

zj, I don't see how you can fail to notice that JC delivers solid throws when the pocket isn't collapsing around him. I see the same mistakes you see, but I see them happen when he's under heavy pressure, which is 90% of his throws.

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey, it could be an alien calling plays for that matter, as long as its not Zorn or Smith!

Posted by: joeboggs | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Some folks understanding of football does extend beyond "the QB throws the football" so they drag otherwise interesting debates back to their tired JC arguments and try to insult everyone who dares to point out flaws in their rehashed comments.

Kyle will call the plays.

Posted by: geotherm21 | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

ummmm Still playing at a rookie QB skill level with 50+ career starts, no "come from behind wins" and only four divisional wins, total, on your 4 year resume will do that. Also wasting, along the way, a perennial top 8 or better ranked Defense.

The best JC stat that a WAPO writer came up with (Boswell).. JC is ranked near last of all the QBs in NFL history (w/900 att+) for Red Zone scoring efficiency.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:32 AM


Yeah, you're right. That's ALL Campbell's fault. No chance the other 10 slappies on the field are blowing assignments or are below-par NFL players. It's ALL JC.

Surely substituting him for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez would instantly make this team a contender, even though those guys had inferior numbers with better players around them and someone NOT named Zorn calling plays.

I'll be over here in reality. Gimme a call when you're ready to come over.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This has been the problem for so long now. What you ask? Well the fact that we are even discussing Heyer, Soups, Rock etc... The fact is THESE players were the best WE had. Not even close to being an elite player at there positions. Hopefully we wont be talking about an undrafted, underachieved player in the future.

Heyer is what we thought he was... NOT an NFL starter, now let him off the hook.

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 12, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Big Shanny is the overseer of the team-off., def., st, personnel decisions w/BA.

It seems pretty realistic to think that Kyle Shanny is going to call the plays that he and Mike Shanny have put together, and that Mike has approved.

Next question--Who has Kyle Shanny picked out to be his Andre Johnson for the Skins next year?

Posted by: BigE44 | January 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I never the fools' radio show, but was wondering if Vinny's time slot/show has been replaced yet?

Posted by: clark202 | January 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember a more polarizing player on the Redskins over the last 15 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:20 AM

Antonio Pierce? LaVar Arrington? RedDMV? TheCork?

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 11:24 AM
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Michael Westbrook (after the S. Davis thumping), Heath Shuler (after the slick balls in the NFL comments), and MartyS_EmailADD guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

These arguments about JC are tired. He's clearly not the best and he's clearly not the worst. Throughout his career he has dealt with numerous issues that few would be able to overcome. At the end of the day time will tell, but nobody with a brain can make the argument that he is this teams number one problem.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | January 12, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Could we petition the league for a special exemption to get started on on free agent acquisitions? There has to be some kind of hardship rule we could exploit. Good golly, I sure am excited for the offseason fireworks to begin!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 12, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Next question--Who has Kyle Shanny picked out to be his Andre Johnson for the Skins next year?

Posted by: BigE44 | January 12, 2010 11:52 AM

Wrong way to think about the Shanahan clan. The Shanahans tailor their scheme to the players they have. They don't try to fit players into their scheme. He's picked out Kelly, Thomas, Moss, Mitchell to be his Kelly, Thomas, Moss and Mitchell next year. Maybe ARE to be his ARE. We'll see.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Next question--Who has Kyle Shanny picked out to be his Andre Johnson for the Skins next year?

Posted by: BigE44 | January 12, 2010 11:52 AM


It would be Malcolm Kelly wouldn't it? I mean, that's what his agent was talking to Vinny about last year...NOT Haynesworth, remember?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

JC didnt "get it" when Al Saunders or Gibbs or Sherm Lewis were calling the plays.. His stats for the last 4 years support this and weaken your argument.

By the way, why the man crush everybody has on him???.. Is it the Stockholm syndrome? You begin to love your hostage taker? Because JC has held the Skins Offense hostage for 4 years while Snyder has continued to try and build his value to get some return on practically the whole 2005 Draft.
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Surely substituting him for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez would instantly make this team a contender, even though those guys had inferior numbers with better players around them and someone NOT named Zorn calling plays.

I'll be over here in reality. Gimme a call when you're ready to come over.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I think there should be a moratorium on this QB debate until a week before the draft...who's with me?

On rooting for Dallas...IMO we should root for the Cowpokes to get humiliated by the Vikings...they are on this high horse now since they finally won a playoff game and it needs to stop ASAP....

If the Vikings shut them out (praise jeebus), all the talk will go back to how much they suck and maybe it will take some attention off of how much we suck...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

jc convo=dull

wake me when shanny makes some choices on this front.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse
jc convo=dull
jc convo=dull
jc convo=dull
jc convo=dull

Oh, and by the way, f cl

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

For last thread

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

Root for the Cowboys, never I will.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 12, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe ARE to be his ARE. We'll see.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 11:57 AM


I'm hoping ARE isn't his ARE...but his first release. I'd bet Shanny could return kicks better than that clown.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

JC didnt "get it" when Al Saunders or Gibbs or Sherm Lewis were calling the plays.. His stats for the last 4 years support this and weaken your argument.

By the way, why the man crush everybody has on him???.. Is it the Stockholm syndrome? You begin to love your hostage taker? Because JC has held the Skins Offense hostage for 4 years while Snyder has continued to try and build his value to get some return on practically the whole 2005 Draft.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:58 AM


Again...meet me in reality and I'll be glad to discuss this with you there. And leave the hostages.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I had a difficult enough time rooting for ex cowboys such as Scott Galbraith & James Washington when they became Skins and rooting for the cowboys when it doesn't have playoff implications for the Skins is an impossibility.

Great, we have a slight advantage in signing a bunch of 29+ yr old unrestricted FAs vs. a cowboy playoff loss.

F Dallas
Hooray Cindy

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Move Moss to the slot and dump ARE...

ARE really is ineffective at both, loved him in Steeler country, was excited when we signed him, but he has not delivered here in DC and I've been frustrated by him long enough...I don't know if I can take another season of yelling at the TV when he:
a) drops an easy catch over the middle
b) drops an easy punt return
c) falls down after making a catch
d) makes another fair catch
e) fails to block down field
f) has a big smile on his face after messing up for the 10,000th time

Moss is speedy and will suit the slot well. We can pick up another big WR in FA to stick opposite MC and have a strong fade threat on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 12, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Are short guys better at playing the slot? The best slot receiver in the league is Wes Welker, and he's short. ARE has played well at times in the slot, and is definitely better at playing there than split wide. The slot position takes advantage of a player being able to make quick cuts and accelerate quickly. So maybe Moss would be good in the slot, although he has the speed to get deep so you might want to keep him on the outside where you need a deep threat, but why not have three receivers out there who have that speed?

But maybe TE types can play the slot as well. Look at Dallas Clark and Chris Cooley having success split into the slot area. They aren't as quick as Welker or ARE, but they are effective.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 12, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Could we petition the league for a special exemption to get started on on free agent acquisitions? There has to be some kind of hardship rule we could exploit. Good golly, I sure am excited for the offseason fireworks to begin!

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Not to worry, Nate, I've already got my two best guys workin' on this.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | January 12, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

JC didnt "get it" when Al Saunders or Gibbs or Sherm Lewis were calling the plays.. His stats for the last 4 years support this and weaken your argument.

By the way, why the man crush everybody has on him???.. Is it the Stockholm syndrome? You begin to love your hostage taker? Because JC has held the Skins Offense hostage for 4 years while Snyder has continued to try and build his value to get some return on practically the whole 2005 Draft.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 11:58 AM


Good theory, that must be why he benched 22 in both of the last 2 season. If you need any other comments i'm over here with brownwood in reality. I can give you directions on how to get here, im sure you will need them.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 12, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

SHOOT THE GLASZE!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman.....short guys and speed is my point with SM...you are right with me there...

Yes, he can be a deep threat down the outside, but he could also be a deep threat down the middle beating a slow LB to the house while the outside WRs draw the safety help...

IMO we just have more upside getting rid of ARE than we do keeping him...

just imagine a 3 WR set with Cooley and SM both split into the slot....one of them has to be open, HA!

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Got to see Kyles work here in Houston this year. Definitely let him call the plays. Also he loves tight ends down the seams and in the flat. Look good for Cooley and Davis!

Posted by: ElYeah | January 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

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