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A Tale of Two Teams

A year ago, had this blog existed, you guys would have been exulting all things Buges and Grilliams related. The Redskins were in the midst of their December race to the playoffs, a five-game tear that some thought might be the starting point for the long awaiting turnaround of this franchise.

In hindsight, it was a mirage. The Redskins caught a mojo and rode it into the postseason, beating teams up along the line of scrimmage and blowing up opposing offenses with sacks and turnovers. It seemed like the blueprint, but now that we're 45 games into Gibbs 2.0, it pretty clear those five games were an anomaly. They were a different team then. Maybe they'll get close to that level again. Maybe not.

But the numbers don't like, and they don't look too bad in a bikini either (I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, I just felt like writing it).

So, let's start with the obvious. The Skins go 5-0 on that tear; they're 15-25 in the other 40 regular-season games of this regime.

During those 5 games:
The Skins scored 142 points - 28 per game.
They averaged 326.2 yards per game.
They allowed .4 sacks per game (yeah, less than half a sack).

On defense, they allowed 13.8 points per game.
They yielded 275.2 yards per game.
They produced 17 sacks - 3.4 per game.
They also had 17 takeaways, yeah, you guessed it - 3.4 per game.

Now, let's look at the other 40 games.

The Skins have scored 17.2 points per game
They have averaged 305.4 yards per game
They have allowed 1.8 sacks per game

The Skins have allowed 19.6 points per game.
They've given up 303.9 yards per game
They have produced 1.8 sacks per game
They have created 1.2 turnovers per game

That's two different teams, folks.

On offense, we're looking at an 11 point-per-game difference, and on defense, there's a touchdown difference. The turnover and sack stuff we've already chronicled. In 2005 they won 5 games in row, and also had a 3 game streak. In 2004 they never won consecutive games and this season they've won back-to-back games once.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 14, 2006; 7:00 AM ET
 
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Nice stats, Jason! That's what's so frustrating about Gibbs II. What the heck was behind that monster run last year? It's like they suddenly got a huge surge of energy that kept building and building. We saw it start to fizzle in Philly with Brunell, then watched the defense basically will a victory in Tampa, and darn near did it in Seattle as well.
They had enough talent and grit that the Super Bowl was theirs for the taking; the offense simply lost that energy surge.

That would be a great article. Dissect that stretch of games last year and compare it to any point this year. What fundamentals were being executed last year that are long gone this year? How do you exit last year with such high hopes and hit such rock-bottom this year? Williams says it's the system on defense; I say it was the players. On offense, it was an entire scheme change. But it still would be very educational and entertaining to read more of this tale of two teams.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | December 14, 2006 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Dude, I know you are into stats and all but for the sake of Redskins fans' sanity PLEASE STOP POURING GASOLINE ON THIS WILDFIRE!!! We have suffered enough and maybe you can ask your guys at the Post to erase all articles, stats, etc... from this seasonn from the archives so we can all pretend this season NEVER EVER HAPPENED!!!! UUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I am kidding of course (I think).


Posted by: PA Skins Fan | December 14, 2006 8:44 AM | Report abuse

JLC-- I look forward to your blog; and as an analyst, appreciate your quantitative prowess. Nonetheless, it's time to reinvigorate hope by looking towards the future!

Posted by: E of Rochester | December 14, 2006 8:55 AM | Report abuse

(Jim Mora voice)

hope??? HOPE??????????????????

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 14, 2006 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Nice stats J-La. I'm always hesitant to break out particular parts of season and impart too much importance on them. I agree with Parcells (i got the shivs just saying it) on this one. In the end you are what your record says you are. Last year they were a playoff team. This year, they are not.

Sad about Lamar Hunt. 74 these days is relatively young for someone to pass. I had no idea he was in like 8 Hall of Fames. Pretty extrodinary guy.

Posted by: Skinz | December 14, 2006 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I am not really a stats guy, that being said, the #'s do not lie. But, if I am not mistaken, that was the Washington Redskins out there playing last season (albeit with a few much missed role players), unless the Martians came down for a playoff run and did some body snatchin'. I just think the stat thing can get played out, and I am too depressed and don't need to hear anymore about how bad this team is compared to a "freak" 5 game run last year.
I am definitely a pessimist at this point, but this league is so whacky that I can see them coming back next year and having a decent season, I just won't count on it.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | December 14, 2006 9:10 AM | Report abuse

We're running the table in 07 too! 7-9. Oh wait, I'm not sure if we want to do that with Denver losing too...

Who has a worse D - Wiz or Skins?

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 14, 2006 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Good stats. Those 5 games coincided with Brunell being healthy and effective. Once he got hurt again (Giants game, I think) he regressed back to his 2004/2006 version. The offense didn't do anything magical during that stretch; they just made the plays they should have been making all along.

The reason for hope is that we've likely seen the last of #8 as a regular starter. Of course that doesn't excuse the lack of sacks/turnovers. That one is on the Grill.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 14, 2006 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Of course, it's extremely tough to win back to back games with only four wins.

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 14, 2006 9:39 AM | Report abuse

PG,

It's the Skinz D because they actually have players he play D. It's not that the Wiz have a bad D. It's just that they realized the longer they stop the other team from shooting the longer till they can shoot themselves.

Posted by: Skinz | December 14, 2006 9:40 AM | Report abuse

he play D is "he hate me" speak for , "that play D"

Posted by: Skinz | December 14, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Here, Here PA Skins' Fan.......

(In Dennis Green's voice)
"We are not who we thought we were!!"

There are positive and negatives to blogs. We are now in that negative portion...........

But, we can't blame JLaC for that (he's not playing, just commenting on 'his' blog). He's not a fan also, so he pours this 'gasoline' not even realizing the harm he's doing. Word of advice - lay off with the destitude stats for a while, huh?

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 14, 2006 9:46 AM | Report abuse

At this point I'd be shocked if I still had season tickets next year. I keep emailing and Czabe keeps reading. I'm sure Danny will hunt down my name in the system and ban from FedEx.

PG, yep, again this morning....

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 14, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The Truth sometimes hurts now get back to work you govt lackeys

Posted by: Big J | December 14, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

JLaC:

you nailed it. First year the defense was monster, espcially if you consider that the offense could neither hold the ball or score points

Second year the defense fell off a bit, how much maybe masked by some improvement in the offense. Outside of 5 good games last year - offense absolutely stunk it up. This is why we have Al Saunders.

This year improvements in the offense have been masked by the of the defense. . .

The defense seems to be the key to this puzzle as Gibbs seems to have gotten the offense going in the right direction (more productive despite the increase in losses) and the special teams (excluding the FG kicker saga) seem to be significantly improved as well.

I'm not sure if our lack of pass rush from the d-line is the thing that winds up killing us. I suspect we'd have more turnovers if we didn't have to blitz to get pressure. . .

Let's just say that I'm gald I'm not the head coach. Building a $100M buusiness is easier than being a successful coach in the NFL!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 14, 2006 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Roswell incident

Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claim an unidentified
object with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch just
outside Roswell, New Mexico.

This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by
the US Air Force and the federal government.

However, you may well NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
nine months after that historic day; Albert Arnold Gore, Jr., Hillary
Rodham, John F. Kerry,
William Jefferson Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein,
Charles E. Schumer, and Barbara Boxer, were born.

This clears things up a lot!

Posted by: Roswell | December 14, 2006 10:07 AM | Report abuse

maybe it was these same aliens who disappeared with all of those WMDs in Iraq. Sneaky aliens, they took the weapons before the good guys could confiscate them . . .

I wonder where they will show up next?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 14, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

JLa - your posts and articles are getting staler by the day. Go see Tom Friend to learn how to really take a pulse of the team - now that guy's what you call a good beat reporter !

Posted by: Gorgon | December 14, 2006 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Last year's run was about attitude and cohesion...things you can't coach (sorry Man Cans) . A good coach should pay attention not only to scheme but chemistry and take the temperature of his locker room from time to time. Hopefully double g has learned a lesson. His stock in the coaches market sure has fallen. A little humility (and a manzierre) would serve him well going into '07.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 10:28 AM | Report abuse

What else is JLa going to write about? Do you want him to go Gibbs on us and talk about how supersmart and supertough the team is? How they are all in it together and finding a way to win?

The good news is happening in Chinatown with the Zards finding its stride now. Jla, help IC step his blog game up (more than two blogs a week please!) so we can move this puppy over yonder.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | December 14, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

seriously Gorgon, I hope you're joking. Friend isn't a skins beat writer these days.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what happenned between then and now, we got pretty old. Most everyone on defense is very old and are always hurt. Besides Dockery, all of O Line is getting old and slow. This organization has no clue on how to build and run a NFL franchise. We will be in this mess for at least 3 years and hopefully by then Dan will sell this team.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2006 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of people calling that 5 game win streak a fluke. It has gotten really old. The lines on both sides of the ball played extremely well during those 5 games and the skins won. What's fluky about that, especially considering we went through all 3 division opponents? You know what was a lot more fluky than that 5 game winning streak? The 3 game win streak to start the season with the 2 bombs to Moss to shock the world on MNF and then Josh Brown doinking one off the upright after Holmgren got extra-conservative and ran 3 straight times to set up a 50 yard FG. But all people talk about is the "fluky" 5 gamer to end the season and send us to the playoffs.

Guess what? The skins went to the playoffs last year. Then they made some major changes that should help the team for years to come by bringing in the most successful O-co in the nfl over the past few years, plus some new players at key positions that were major concerns. Then our best offensive player got hurt in preseason. Then we had a QB change b/c we didn't win many games during the toughest part of the schedule. I backed Brunell earlier this year, but I'm stoked about Campbell and the promise he has shown. The D took a major step backwards this year, and Gdubs probably overestimated some things. But everything looks, to me, to be pointed in the right direction for next year.

"Power and guts! Do you want to win?" Nothing fluky about power and guts.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 14, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Jason, last season was NOT a MIRAGE...it actually happened....watched every game with my own eyes...therefore, NOT a MIRAGE.

I also am not a stats person and I'm really tired of hearing, reading about them. Let's try to find something positive instead of dwelling on this sad season.

I do have a question....seems to me the media enjoys it much better when the teams they are covering are doing badly...is this true????

Posted by: Lisa | December 14, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

That 5 game winning streak was a sham last year. We had two actual legit wins in those 5.

We built a horrible Cardinals team, a Ram's team with a rookie QB making his second start, clobber the boyz at home, a not too bad Giants teamn at home, and then a wounded Eagles team with no Donavon.

Granted the Giants and Cowboys wins were nice, but we really didn't beat anybody.

Posted by: JB | December 14, 2006 10:52 AM | Report abuse

WHAT'S FUNNY IS THAT YOU JOKERS HAVE TO SIT AROUND AND REMINISCE ABOUT LAST YEAR. YET, THIS YEAR, THE COWBOYS ARE PLAYOFF BOUND BABY WHILE THE OLD SKINNIES ARE GOING TO BE SITTING AT HOME, WITH ALL THEIR JOKER FANS, WATCHING THE PLAYOFFS. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Posted by: BOOFER | December 14, 2006 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't disagree more. AZ has speedy, athletic receivers and anytime you have to travel to the other side of the country a W is tough...even if it's Oaktown.

The run was not a fluke. The team was firing on all cyclinders and destroyed 3 division rivals. The Giants game at Fed Ex was the easily best one I've taken in there. Better than the playoff win over the lions in '99 (missed cboys game).

Stats don't say it all and they are getting to be a bore. The chemistry of the team shifted in the offseason on both sides of the ball. Everyone came crashing down from the high expectations the strong run produced at the end of last year.

That in no way makes the 6 game streak a fluke. We were one interception away from beating Seattle AT Seattle and you call it a fluke! C'mon!!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

RODEOS GET ME HOT!

Posted by: BOOFER | December 14, 2006 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Lisa:

Stats are what they are, you can look at data and create a gloomy outlook or you can have a positive perspective. . .

To me these stats say that we don't have far to go. this is not an old team on offense or special teams for sure. Whoever wrote that either doesn't understand the meaning of the old or doesn't really know how the age of our key players.

We need to address the defense. I don't think we need huge upgrades, but we could certainly use a stronger WLB, Safety and rush end. I think we are OK at tackle for next year and we still ahve all of our draft picks in the 2008 draft. So no gloom and doom here.

I think this season stinks, and was very surprised by the dropoff in defense. But there have also been some real good souprises (not mispelled). . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 14, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I appreciate your breakdown of the stats. But there is a fatal flaw!

You are comparing a 5-0 run to a 15 - 40 er...rest of the time.

I bet if you compared the 20 wins to the 40 losses you would see an even greater dichotomy similar problems.

Your stats could be summed up with: Stats are better when you win and worse when you lose.

Now if you compared those 5 wins to other groupings of 5 wins in the 15-40 chunk and found them to be significantly better, well then you might be onto something.

Posted by: Matt | December 14, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Stats can prove anything. 14% of all people know that.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 14, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Matt:

Go and look, you'll find that JLaC's stats aren't misleading. Offense generally stunk first two years w/ the exception of 5 good games last year (BTW not all where wins). . .

Posted by: skisnfan@8KaboveMSL | December 14, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

My accountant/statistician asked me before preparing anything for me Financially, "What do you want it to say?"

Posted by: Just saying .. | December 14, 2006 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I agree with wrongdog and jeff hayes, last season's win streak was no fluke. Brunell was playing great until he hurt his leg against the giants. I don't recall the exact #'s but he had a really high 3rd down completion % which is one of the most important stats for a successful QB. Him getting hurt along with Portis hurting his shoulder were what stalled the offense. Injuries happen. The fluke is the utter demise of the defense from decent to putrid. Their offense appears to be headed in the right direction with JC and the rushing attack showing promise. This offseason they need to fix the defense - draft the best defensive player available with their top 10 first rounder (hopefully a D-lineman but they could use almost everything), sign a couple solid FA's, and get their coaching situation figured out (if Friend's article is accurate). Oh and hire a GM. I know..if "ifs and buts were candies and nuts....hey it is almost Christmas!

Posted by: skinswest | December 14, 2006 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Totally off topic, but props to an old Dallas Cowboy, Everson Walls. The former cornerback is donating a kidney to his teammate, ex-Dallas running back Ron Springs.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 14, 2006 11:41 AM | Report abuse

So what you are saying is that the Skins are 20 and 25 in Gibbs 40 games back.

If you look at the 5 game run, the offensive line and Portis were healhy when it began and Gibbs pounded the ball. By the end of the season we lost one of our best lineman and had to start Ray Brown and Portis was hurting.

The Defense wins for us in Tampa, the offense does not lose the game. But Portis was not effective.

When we lost to Seattle, we had lost both Portis and Ray Brown. That is we had no offense other than Brunnel to Moss. Our defense played good but could not put any points on the board.

The problem with this team was for the first two years we had a defense but the offense did not score. Now we have a poor defense and we are starting over on offense.

Give the new QB a chance.

Face it, we overestimated what the problems were when Gibbs stated.

Posted by: Dunkirk | December 14, 2006 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I hate myself.

Posted by: Dan Shanoff | December 14, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

the 5 victories were against St. Louis, Arizona, NYG, Philly and Dallas! Who did we beat! We lost to Oakland, San diego and Tampa the prior 3 weeks! The 5 game win streak was against 2 sorry teams, one team without its starting QB, and 2 division rivals that wee emotionally charged games. I am happy for the wins and the playoffs, but lets not get undone like we really beat good teams! The Dallas game was the only one where they really looked good. That 5 game win streak has no relevance. let's see how we do next year with a fourth place schedule.

Posted by: RobGreg | December 14, 2006 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This stats debate is actually driving me to a productive day at work *gasp*.

Anyone have any new music they're psyched on?

What percentage of drug dependent musicians produce(d) great music? What % produce doo-doo? Numbers? Stats?

Let's keep it to their place in rock history and stay away from record sales.

What band/record best sums up the skins season this year?

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

no turnovers means we lost our swagger on D and C-Po is our swagger on O w/ Sellars and Saunders tried to get cute...basically we trashed the swagger and confidence we had built at the end of last year...the run was no fluke, we built up to it honestly...we just trashed it...

Posted by: herb | December 14, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Stats can prove anything. 14% of all people know that.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 14, 2006 11:22 AM


Dude you could alteast give credit where credit is due, i.e., The Simpsons episode # 92, production code 1F09, season 5 (11th episode to air for that particular season).

Also, the entire sequence goes as...

Kent Brockman: Mr. Simpson, how do you respond to the charges that petty vandalism such as graffiti is down eighty percent, while heavy sack-beatings are up a shocking nine hundred percent?

Homer: Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything Kent. Forty percent of people know that!

Kent Brockman: I see. Well, what do you say to the accusation that your group has been causing more crimes than it's been preventing?

Homer: Oh, Kent, I'd be lying if I said my men weren't committing crimes.

Kent Brockman: Well, touche'.


The episode centers around a cat-burglar in Springfield. Homer forms his own vigilante group in hopes of reclaiming the stolen goods, especially Lisa's stolen saxaphone. The sequence from above regards Homer going on Kent Brockmans tv show to discuss the cat burglar.

-Source: The Simpsons: A Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family by Matt Groening, Ray Richmond (Editor).

Next time don't try to pass off quotes from cartoon tv shows as your own. And if you're going to do so you could AT LEAST, get the quote correct.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | December 14, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Dunkirk sucks.

Posted by: Prince Frederick | December 14, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The run was awesome. Why get down on the best thing to happen in Redskins football since Gibbs I?

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

J-Lac did a bogus deal here. The Skins have been more than just two teams in Gibbs 2.0

For pretty much all of 2004, they were the same team. Nasty and physical, with dominating defense but primitive and utterly ineffective offense. Gibbs inherited a lot of crap he had to try out in 2004 before weeding out (Roddy-G, Taylor Jacobs, hobbled Coles, Patrick Ramsey, LaVar, etc.).

In 2005, they were three teams. At first, they were the 2004 team, with slightly less dominating defense, but had discovered the big play and deep game. They committed lots of penalties and turnovers, but were greatly improved on offense. At this point, they were an 8-8 type team.

Then, in 2005, the Oakland Raiders developed the blue print for stopping Santana Moss, and the offense stalled as defenses stymied Coles and Portis. At this stretch, the Skins were a losing team that had strayed from its power-running identity and Brunnell hit a slump as well.

Finally, in 2005, the stretch you refer to which keyed off re-establishing the run game, and in finding a pass rush through Philip Daniels, with Lemar Marshall settling finally into the Mike role.

This year, the Skins have been at least two teams. First, the glitchy and gimmicky offense, totally inconsistent from drive to drive but with some flash and pizazz. Portis injured and limited. Defense without Springs and Prioleau unable to defend the pass. Brunell inconsistent and learning and adapting and perhaps ill-suited to the new offense. In this stretch, the Skins were already a losing team.

Then, we became a sort of rebuilding team with the switch to Jason and Ladell, with Vernon Fox coming in for Arch-D.

At least the rebuilding team offers hope, with signs that Gibbs ball on offense is on its way back. At this point, I would expect Gibbs and Saunders to collaborate on a hybrid for next year that maximizes what the minds of Gibbs and Saunders, and the talent on hand starting with JC and Portis, in the Redskins tradition that worked before.

It's going to be something slightly new next year. The remainder of this year is just about JC learning, and re-establishing toughness across the board.

Posted by: The Sniffer | December 14, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

BOOFER: You are such an infintile doofus. Do you seriously not have anything better to do than visit this site? You must have been horribly neglected as a child. May this Holiday season find you as a greasy spot on a highway near you.

Posted by: Lee Harvey Oswald | December 14, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Quick break to tell you all that JM has been joined by Kattie and Kevin and they went to the New Orleans site to begin work this morning.

Posted by: Jason's editor | December 14, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Two sayings come to mind here:

Statistics:

98.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

For all you boofer haters:

Don't take him personally. He's funny if you just realize that he's just here to antagonize. Heck, it's probably Cindy just stirring the pot.

and your quote:

"Never argue with a fool. They'll just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience"

Posted by: Skinz | December 14, 2006 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The Sniffer makes a very good point. This is the tale of at least a half dozen teams

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 14, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I should have mentioned who the defense got to feast on thsoe 5 games, which is why I call it a smokescreen.
That Harvard Fitzpatrick kid in STL, a decaying Kurt Warner in ARZ (and they still needed Antonio Brown to win that game for them despite the Cards fumbling like 7 times), they got Eli at the right time, Dallas at the end wih no hope and caught ythe Eagles with Feely andn that Miker McMahon character behind center.
That'll help.
This year they make poor QBs look like studs.
They were a different team those five games than they have proven to be the duration of this regime - they scored points, got in the end zone, forced sacked and turnovers and capitalized on them.


Lisa - I would much rather cover a winning team. It is infinitely easier. Nothing worse than an overpaid, unproductive team. It will make for a busy and unpredictable offseason and I might never get my life back, or at least not for a while.
Last December was much, much easier.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 14, 2006 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Gibbs era has not been the best but the Redskins woes are a bi-product of musical coaches.
Since Gibbs left in his first tenure the Redskins have had like 6 coaches in ten years. The Danny is great for spending money but teribble on sticking to a plan. He wants instant gradification and tries for the quick fix way to often. In fact I think Gibbs has fallen into his way of thinking by bringing on new coaches every year he has been here.
The other problem is what you brought up in your aticle the other day about the Bears. Pay the players who are a part of your organization and reward them for being Redskinns. Instead they go out and drop money on free agents who don't produce and then get rid of them before they have a chance to adjust to a new system and get to know their teammates.
Then it is rebuild and start over with the same routine.

Get a GM find a coach and stick with the plan and stop giving draft picks away like they are candy.

Posted by: Jason | December 14, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - Let's mention who the Defense got to feast - You say this like it was ALL BAD. When in reality it was in the middle.

St Louis - Fitzpatrick was Rookie of the Week the PREVIOUS WEEK. He passed for over 300 YARDS!

We lost like 13 out of 15 when we played Dallas. They were STILL IN PLAYOFF CONTENTION AND WE SMASHED THEM!! They were still fighting for the playoffs still the next week vs. Carolina.

The Giants SMASHED US the 1st meeting. Disgrased us. Who would think we would have did what we did? No one.....

That's 3 out of 5, buddy......

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 14, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jason.

Just heard on the radio that Jansen and Rabach did not practice today but that Rabach seems determined to play. Personally, I do not see how with the big cast on his hand.

Also heard Santana was ill and did not practice....do you know what is wrong with him, Jason?

Posted by: Lisa | December 14, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins stink? Alert the press.

Posted by: Tom Landry | December 14, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, since we are talking about stats and the '90s Skins was who I looked up to, here is the Most Hated Stats of the 90s...

I am paraphrasing but somebody will tell me the real stat...

'Norv Turner is 5 - 25 when the result of the game is 3 points or less'

You guys can't tell me you don't remember that. The commentators would bring it up every 4th QTR. It was just as bad when the game was decided by TD or less. Who remembers that?

Posted by: 4th | December 14, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that when things go well, it's because of the coaching staff and when it goes wrong it's the person making the personnel decisions?

Posted by: Goldilocks | December 14, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, Jansen played last year with broken thumbs. They take off the big cast and make a smaller one.

Also, 94.8835% of made up statistics can be made to seem more precise, thus less made up, by adding additional digits after the decimal point. Its call very precise error.

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy that whole QB excuse. Didn't LBM lead the league in passing yards last year?

I don't give the skins a pass because of injuries so I won't discount a win as a result.

If "Double Move" didn't have hand of stone we'd have been in the NFC championship game last year and had like 2 wins more this year.

Posted by: Skinz | December 14, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

killin me 4th

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Just got to reading today..and all I have to say is...Like Brian Fantana's "Blackbeard Delight" ...60% of the time...stats work every time!

Posted by: bornafan | December 14, 2006 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Danny Snyder has brought one thing to this team-high drama.

The only coach remotely close to handling Danny and teaching him fundamentals of football was Marty Shottenheimer. We all know how Marty jerked the laziness and excuse products out of the Norv Turner skins and he himself had a five game winning streak. Wow and he continues to have five game winning streaks, before the skins and ever since. Someone's fans are going to enjoy homefield playoff advantage THIS year.

But Danny is much smarter than pappa Marty. Oh yes, bring on the yes men. Spurrier and Gibbs 2 have had the most undisciplined teams of all the coaches under Snyder and in the end it reflects Snyder. There is no hope without discipline in management. It all flows from there.

Trade your redskins caps for cubs caps-
Yeah, face it. Its the first step.

Posted by: jmoodc | December 14, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jeff. I know somtimes it can seem like I'm sticking a needle in your eye...

Posted by: 4th | December 14, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

4th.
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I remember...Norvskins were there won special kind of disfunction...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 14, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

As usual..i'm an idiot...it was called "Sex Panther"....see...THAT'S why I don't post....

Posted by: bornafan | December 14, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

You need to take a look at the records of the teams they beat in the 5-0 run, vs the rest of the season, as well as the whole season's competition. As a result of their success last year, they had a stronger schedule this year as well. In the medical field, your study would be graded as "flawed", since it didn't take into account opponent strength. Get with it.

Posted by: isrinc | December 14, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

How about:

"Never fight with pig. You'll both get dirty...and the pig will like it."

Posted by: T | December 14, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Double move has got to be the biggest letdown of the year. He had a perfect opportunity to show his stuff and he's phoned it in since opening night.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

had me confused there born...it's got real bits of blackbeard in it so you know it's good.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

one of the hardest things to do in sports in changing a losing culture. last years' LA clippers also made the playoffs and are struggling now (just like the redskins). longtime losers like bengals and saints and wizards until recently, LA clippers, redskins since 1991, etc... gibbs never has changed a losing culture. last go around, he took over a decent team and franchise with an established qb, riggins, monk, many hogs, etc... the fans fail to realize these facts. different day, different situation.

Posted by: john doe jr | December 14, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

There are lies, damn lies and Statistics.

-Winston Churchill

Posted by: Rich from Salisbury | December 14, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

i am stunned that you would say that, skinz!!! i am not boofer. i eschew capital letters unless i am in editor mode. you know that.
on the other hand, i do love to stir the pot.....

Posted by: Jason's editor | December 14, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Thou protest too much.

Posted by: Skinz | December 14, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree with Skinz, although BOOFER can be a pain, I have grown to look forward to his posts (adds some comedy and banter to the blog). BTW, props for him showing himself the week after an awful loss (most Cowgirl fans stash their gear away until the sun shines again and only admit they're a fan after a win).

Posted by: BT | December 14, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know when Dockery becomes a free agent? It seems to me that he was drafted around the time when Betts was.

Posted by: BT | December 14, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

WHY WOULDN'T I BE HERE? MY 'BOYS ARE DOING MUCH BETTER OVERALL THAN THE SKINNIES! MUCH MORE POSITIVES FOR ME TO BRAG ABOUT IN RELATION TO THE COWBOYS THAN THERE IS FOR THE SKINNY FANS TO BRAG ABOUT IN RELATION THE THE LOSER-SKINS!

PLUS WHO'S GETTING A NEW PRETTY STADIUM, WHICH WILL HOST SUPER BOWLS FOR YEARS TO COME? OH THATS RIGHT NOT DANNY-BOY'S FEDEX.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Dockery is a FA after this year. They should have gotten him resigned before they worried about Betts.

Posted by: CE | December 14, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

You are the man and have done your best yet covering the Skins this year since you were put on the beat.

I would make one point about your post, though. You mention an 11 point difference on offense per game between the 5-0 playoff run and the rest. I think it's even worse than that. During the 5-0 run, if memory serves, special teams and defense contributed some big points. Specifically, I remember Sean Taylor returning a fumble in Philly and Antonio Brown returning a kick in Arizona.
Those are not points scored on offense, which just underscores how woeful that unit has been under the Gibbs regime. Goes to show that without points by defense and special teams, this team is in real trouble.

Posted by: Skinsfan | December 14, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Let me just say that that new 'Pokes stadium is unbelievably saaawwwweeeeeet! Take a virtual tour online and check out the ground-level bar, which happens to be where the players enter and exit the field.....very cool, altho experience tells me that ground level isn't the best place to watch a game. unless you're the coach. but not if you're the coach named gibbs.
on another note, jm checks in again with what appear to be two unrelated info bits: kattie is the only woman there and she is on the roof.

Posted by: Jason's editor | December 14, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I can only imagine a Snyder-built stadium. In order to increase capacity to 200,000, the width on the seats would be so tight that if you weighed over 140 lbs you would need to buy 2 seats.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 14, 2006 2:44 PM | Report abuse

To those in love with Campbell...get a clue. The guy is tall (good) and has a strong arm (good), but he takes forever to drop back (bad) and even longer to release the ball (bad) resulting in lots of batted balls, late throws, and generally, inaccuracy. This will not change no matter how much practice he gets. He is going to be a hit and miss QB. The only reason Redskin fans are enamored with such spotty play is a result of Campbell being a number 1 pick (which he shouldn't have been) and having a strong arm (something that Brunell does not have). In my opinion, this is not the guy to put your faith in for leading the Skins to glory...nothing against him, just his mechanics.

Posted by: Fred Mortenson | December 5, 2006 09:39 AM

Sound familiar, read La Canfora's article about Saunders and Campbell two weeks later. Lot of criticism about too early to tell about QB after 2, 3, 4 , 5 ...game. Suffice to say, his mechanics are still troublesome and his results so far are very average for a number one pick. I hope the coaches can improve his mechanics, but I doubt they can (remember Spurrier's ill-fated effort to change all his QB's throwing motion?). My beef is not so much with the player, but more with talent evaluation and coaching. If the coaches can fix years of bad habits, why are they waiting to this next offseason? Just can't understand inability to coach all players and give them quality time to practice, especially if they knew these were his problems? Moreover, are these problems typical of a number one draft pick? Don't thinks so.

Posted by: Fred Mortenson | December 14, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

We were very close to beating some great teams last season.. we outplayed the Broncos in their house but lost due to bad calls. We lost to the Bucs in their house due to a bad call. Our record could have been 12-4 so NO IT WASNT A FLUKE AT THE END OF THE SEASON!!!

Posted by: Supreme Wu | December 14, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Lost due to bad calls" is a cop out, in my opinion. Either you win or you lose. Bad calls even out anyway.

Posted by: Deanna | December 14, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Fred Mort,

Did you read the whole article? Saunders loves the kid and says he can improve all those things; the same way that I love you and believe you can improve your reading comprehension.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | December 14, 2006 2:57 PM | Report abuse

We were very close to beating some great teams last season.. we outplayed the Broncos in their house but lost due to bad calls. We lost to the Bucs in their house due to a bad call. Our record could have been 12-4 so NO IT WASNT A FLUKE AT THE END OF THE SEASON!!!

Posted by: Supreme Wu | December 14, 2006 02:51 PM

How about losing to both Oakland (a joke of a team) and San Diego AT HOME? It was a fluke dude

Posted by: Butts McGhee | December 14, 2006 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jason, if you're bored this Jan come back to your hometown and cover a real team. And of course, the ZerO's don't qualify. Although I heard you were the main suspect in the Oriole robberies.

Posted by: Brian"The Brain"Billick | December 14, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Art,

Good to hear from you. I read the article...what do you think Saunders is supposed to say? He sucks? Of course he is going to support him. Just like I support you for the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You'll have to excuse my last quotation as I am suffering from a severe case of dementia.

Posted by: Brian "The Brain" Billick | December 14, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Deanna- those two calls were terrible and were game changers in both situations. $500 to anyone who can 1) explain the tuck rule 2)demonstrate what place it has in game like football

Sorry, but can't get excited about new cowpie stadium. I'll have to sneak into T-day halftime rehearsals and pee on that one too. Cowboys haven't won a playoff game since I peed on texas stadium.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 3:15 PM | Report abuse

1. If the arm is going forward it's an incomplete pass. In not, it's a fumble.

2. To diffentiate whether an incomplete pass or fumble has occurred.

Please send the money to Cindy. I will give her handling instructions.

Posted by: I want my money!!! | December 14, 2006 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The Brain - please email Cindy and tell her to put me on the Ravens in the postseason. I am trying to avoid all-pre Super Bowl travel - since I'll definitely be away from the wife and baby for a week then - so heading back to my parent's house and shooting up the BW Parkway sounds damn good to me.

As for Dockery, I've been sniffing around on that one. They're talking a lil bit, but nowhere close to a deal right now. I don't anticipate that one until after the season, if it gets done.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 14, 2006 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow Jason, that is some great work there. You've discovered what has eluded all the major sports statisticians of our time: that when teams play poorly, their statistics are worse; and when teams play well, their numbers are better. Wow, that is really, truly, profound.

Your next assignment should be to report how the teams that win are usually the teams that score more points than their opponents.

Posted by: Btown | December 14, 2006 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Excellent, as always Jason.

Do keep us informed on Dockery. I'd like to see him signed ASAP. Why aren't they close to a deal? Do you know what he's asking?

Posted by: Skin Patrol | December 14, 2006 3:35 PM | Report abuse

sorry Cindy, I think it's a bit more esoteric. something like if the QB is trying to bring the ball into his body after forward motion of the throwing arm and he fumbles, it's really not a fumble because it's 'The Tuck Rule' !

Wow. How about the 'technicolored unicorn rule' as long as we're making s**t up.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

In evaluating your nails, your healthcare professional will most likely mention they are made from a protein known as keratin, and their strength, growth rate and thickness are determined by genetics. In determining nail health, the following need to be examined:

Nail plate, which is what we see.
Nail bed, which is what the nail sits upon.
Nail folds, which are grooves in the skin where the nail plate sits.
Cuticle, which is a thin layer of skin overlying the base of the nail.
Matrix, which is the area of nail growth just under the skin at the base of the nail.

Posted by: loco mullin | December 14, 2006 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JLC, two questions:

1) Is there a LONG TERM Cooley extension imminent? Please say yes. I can see him as a lifelong Skin, if we offer it to him, and his marketability to Skins fans has got to tweak the Danny's nipples a little.

2) Just read your Campbell-Saunders (love) story. Great piece. Here's the question: where in the world do these self-proclaimed Campbell experts (some of whom have posted on this blog) get the nerve to say that he does not have a strong arm? What delusional, psychotropic drugs are they taking to hate like that?

PS -- Loved Saunders respectful bash of the Vandy secondary -- my roommate went there. Good stuff...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 14, 2006 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Anybody see Cooley's BMW tv commercial with Brunell? I don't see an acting career in Cooley's future- that meathead should hope for a long-term contract.

Posted by: Doodoo Brown | December 14, 2006 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Deanna- those two calls were terrible and were game changers in both situations. $500 to anyone who can 1) explain the tuck rule 2)demonstrate what place it has in game like football

Sorry, but can't get excited about new cowpie stadium. I'll have to sneak into T-day halftime rehearsals and pee on that one too. Cowboys haven't won a playoff game since I peed on texas stadium.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 03:15 PM

I'm not arguing that they weren't bad calls. They were. I was simply saying that using bad calls as an excuse for losing games doesn't work for me.

I agree with you about the Cowboys stadium. I'm sure it will be lovely. But I can't get excited about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2006 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why my name wasn't posted with the above. I do take credit (or blame) for the post.

Posted by: Deanna | December 14, 2006 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey Loco... I thought the Matrix was where Neo and his friends hung out.

Posted by: PiggyB | December 14, 2006 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya. Shouldn't be an outright excuse. There are things Gibbs could've done differently in each game (clock management, get a 1st down in final min) to get the W.

Still total bs on both counts.

Anyone know if the tuck rule has ever been called in another game? Not insinuating conspiracy...just curious.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 14, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

What are you waiting for? You're faster than this. Don't think you are, know you are. Come on. Stop trying to hit me and hit me. (said Santana to Soupy)

Posted by: bornafan | December 14, 2006 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, but can't get excited about new cowpie stadium. I'll have to sneak into T-day halftime rehearsals and pee on that one too. Cowboys haven't won a playoff game since I peed on texas stadium."

Got there a couple days after T-Day during High School Playoffs and left my mark as well!!

"Wow Jason, that is some great work there. You've discovered what has eluded all the major sports statisticians of our time: that when teams play poorly, their statistics are worse; and when teams play well, their numbers are better. Wow, that is really, truly, profound."

Wow Btown, I think I can come up with a few instances where that's not true. Ever hear of a Ravens team that couldn't score an offensive TD but somehow won a Super Bowl. Or maybe a Rams team that had NO defense, but won a Super Bowl......is this jogging any memories. If you think these articles are pointless, here's a novel concept, DON'T READ THEM. I'm tired of writers that just say, "Oh, this team is losing because of this player not performing" or "because this team has no chemistry", or "Insert typical writer-speak here". Jason brings the numbers, bottom line, and that's why he's hired by the Washington Post to write the articles, while you.....read them.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 14, 2006 4:38 PM | Report abuse

From Maske:

"The Falcons' top two tailbacks, Warrick Dunn and Jerious Norwood, are plagued by leg injuries and sat out Wednesday's practice." So the Falcons signed a journeyman to add depth at RB.

Any chance we can give Duckett back and get a "do-over" on that idiotic trade??

Posted by: WTF Skins | December 14, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Look you Billick imitator there is only one "SuperCoach" of the soon to be Super Bowl Champs. So stick to watching your hapless Deadskins with Vinny "Crazy Eyes" Cerrato and leave smack talk to us Coaches who know what we're doing.

Posted by: Brian"The Brain"Billick | December 14, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Did anybody catch #85 on the Riggo Show? Did Riggo grill him?

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 14, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Nah, due to unanimous vote, they decided to grill some hot dogs and hamburgers. They thought they would get in trouble for cooking a human.

Posted by: waldo | December 14, 2006 6:37 PM | Report abuse

This weird day caps off a very weird week on the blog.

Up here this is how it gets with three games to go in a mostly miserable season. Some people become total jerks, some people check out entirely, some new guys you never heard of come in off the taxi squad, and only a few troupers keep sight of What Matters Most and continue to contribute at a high level.

Come on, people, let's keep it together! We got men and woman in NOLA doing great work, representing us! We must keep the home fires burning bright on the blog in their honor! Tie a gold and black ribbon round the old oak tree!

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 14, 2006 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey, P Diddy,

I'm watching the NFL Network pregame show -it's absolutely pouring in your neck of the woods.

Nate, is it raining in Portland as well?

Posted by: Lisa | December 14, 2006 7:16 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the worst days in Redksins Insider Blog History......

Especailly when I got to mention the Norv Years........

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 14, 2006 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, it's been off and on monsoon in the Rose City all day. I'm wrapping up at the office now, putting on my rubbers and heading out into the rising waters.

When I moved here I was assured by many people that it rains "a little a lot", but it almost never rains heavily. So I'll give Mom Nature a mulligan on this little rain event.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 14, 2006 7:48 PM | Report abuse

4th floor, please don't be alarmed when you read what i have to say. just know that i felt like i was in the twilight zone after it happened. because something else happened after it too that totally freaked me out.

i think i met your family today.

it didn't occur to me until afterwards when something truely twilightzonish happened to me.

i told my daughter we're gonna go see my neighbor's dog named "roxy". we were 3 miles away from my neighbor's/our house. i walk out of the play area near where i think you live and for some strange reason just stared at the pool holding my daughter in my arms. at that time no one was in sight.

and then we started walking back to my car and we see this lady with two (identical breed) dogs and a baby w/stroller coming towards us and i tell my daughter ohh look dogs and a baby. my neighbor's dog is the same type of dog that this lady had and the name of the dog was ROXY, same as my neighbor's.

and soon after that i realized that moments before i may've met your family (not the dog lady). because of our conversation we had earlier in the week. but the dog lady said something even more weird when i asked her what her dog's name was she said it's roxy and her parents are mad at them for naming their DOG??? "because they're german"? HUH!!!!!!!!!!WTF!

anyways let me know if it WAS your family that we met. (again not the lady with dogs) i was the dork with the prettiest girl in the world. :)

Posted by: dealer | December 14, 2006 9:12 PM | Report abuse

sorry nate, wasn't around to "keep the fire burning"...had one of the weirdest moments of my life.

anyways, i didn't even read all the comments. i know 4th started something about our D. sorry...again.

and jason, what's up brother? i axed you to do one thing and you couldn't even do that? i don't think you have your priorities straight.

Posted by: dealer | December 14, 2006 9:33 PM | Report abuse

NOLA!!! HOLLA BACK!

Posted by: dealer | December 14, 2006 9:35 PM | Report abuse

okay, all you al saunders backers i have a question. and it's a question because i don't know much. so don't come out with guns blazing.

Q. who's offense are the skins running? saunders' or gibbs'? cuz it looks a lot different from what they were running earlier.

also anyone read this article on fullbacks

and the truely sad part was not a hint of mike sellers in that article. and i wondered if they ran the same offense they ran last year if that would've been the case. sad cuz really gibbs brought it back last year.

Posted by: dealer | December 14, 2006 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least I have that going for me

Posted by: dr.d | December 14, 2006 9:56 PM | Report abuse

i think we're running gregg williams' offense and Al saunders' defense. that's the only explanation for a staff with offensive geniuses and a defensive genius to show a 4-9 record.

no, realistically, i think we've been running a quasi-Al Saunders offense. I think Al feels the heat from the locker room/media regarding the play calling, and
is being limited in his play calling. He obviously couldn't do what he wanted (go deep) w/ Brunell, and he also didn't want to drift away from Joe Gibbs' foundation (running the ball), which resulted in bad play calling overall. With JC the past 4 weeks, you can see that things have changed bigtime. The emergence of the deep ball, and the successful downhill running game have helped Al.
I truly believe this offense, with ARE #2 and B. Lloyd #3, and with a healthy CP and Betts, can be a top 5 offense in the NFL. Thank goodness JC is making his mistakes now. Better now than next year.

Posted by: k-man | December 14, 2006 10:30 PM | Report abuse

JLaC:

you gotta own up on this one:

4th is right, the game against dallas was the real deal, win you're still alive lose and you depend on help getting to the playoffs.

That was the real deal. I don't think that last year was a fluke - I was at the denver game and they should have won that one - awful call but no matter as we made it to the playoffs anyway. . .

Gibbs made the changes that needed to be made to the offense, but the defense is another story, hope that doesn't repeat itself next year . . .

we need da reaper back and yes, more decleatings!!!

NOLA gang you falling behind on the 1 video post per day goal that the crew has set for you. Oh, nobody told you say? Welcome to the proffesionalization of the blog!

P: did you lose your internet access? figured that would happen at some point as you probably drove internet traffic up by 60% with all of you post . . .

and where the heck are megskin and the Gov?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 15, 2006 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, K-man.

We should all be excited about year two of the Saunders experiment.

Gibbs and the old farts spend the offseason working with Saunders and reaching detente, finally ironing out whatever the heck Redskins football is going to be. And they ALL work with Soupy.

And Soupy throws about a million balls to Santana, ARE, Cooley, BLoud, etc. to build up that critical Rhythm. And CP gets super healthy.

And next season we look a lot more like the Greatest Show on Turf or the Priest Holmes Chefs than we do the '06 Skins.

We can hope.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 12:19 AM | Report abuse

8k, I think Diddy has been running the holiday party gauntlet for the past week in preparation for his own birthday celebration this coming weekend. He'll probably be watching the Skins-Saints game from a deluxe suite at the Betty Ford Clinic.

We're also experiencing gale-force winds here in the coastal Northwest. Those winds are probably even more ferocious in Diddy's palatial condo atop the Space Needle.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, this has been the weirdest few days since I started following the blog.

I know it's the holidays, but I'm worried this damn thing is going to fall apart just when I need it most, when the Skins' season dissolves into nothingness and we have to watch twelve other teams march into the playoffs, including one or two of our NFC East rivals.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 12:39 AM | Report abuse

dealer, a few posts back I mentioned another good cnnsi article on fullbacks, I think it was Mike Silver focusing on Lorenzo Neal.

Other guys are getting all the FB publicity -- hell, it's not inconceivable that Lorenzo Neal could be blocking his way into the HOF -- but I'll take Mike Sellers any day of the week. He is a freakin' animal.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey crew. I hope all is well with everyone. It was a very long day. We started out on the same house we have been building all week. We also meet the person who will move into the house which was cool. Kattie gets mad points for doing work on top of the roof. (we all look at her like she was crazy when she tried to volunteer all of us) The food packing was really interesting. We help pack about 1300 pounds of food. The Honets gave us tickets for the game tonight. We left early because they were down by 15.

Posted by: jm220 | December 15, 2006 12:45 AM | Report abuse

jm220, you guys are surpassing all expectations. Sounds like you're working your butts off.

Doggone, I caught a bit of the Hornets game on teevee, and it didn't even register that it was happening where you are.

Best wishes to you and the whole team down there! Keep up the good work and thanks again.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey gang, I know it's corny but everybody should VOTE for the Pro Bowl at nfl.com. Deadline for fan voting is Dec. 15, so get after it.

You know other teams' fans are stuffing the virtual ballot box, so no reason we shouldn't do the same. Feels pretty good to cast a 100% Redskins ballot. Go ahead, give it a whirl.

You have to admit it would be gratifying to see a few of our deserving players like SeanTay score a trip to Hawaii. Almost as gratifying as it will be to see Art Monk finally voted in to the HOF.

Man, I am in a chatty mood this fine evening. Get a couple of beers in me and I turn all wordsy. Good times.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 1:11 AM | Report abuse

JM:
U da man.

Every one else...do a jagjklejiotr bomb,

Welp. It ha d to haptn once. My 1st drunekn postni I'm non t foning to proof reda theis acaus e its funny so f off. I heart bolg . Jm : mad prop s going donwn their man. Seriously. Next year tlest do it up aoaind. Piclk a ciyy t and thlets go. I m not sure the 4 of us( same crew every year) willl make it. but what the hell, ewll suppotr you thru drindks.

okay, so its inelgilbe so far , ill clean it up. this blog is the shizzy. AMMTTASTST, funny. SKinsz, da man, 4th, didn't say niutin when I callled the queen bee remy. This blog is the dhit. Regardless, I love this shti. (That mispoielling was purposeful._) So- I say- ta hell w/ the skins and DSny, aka Gordon Gecko, aka, Bill Gaaaatyyyyes, Ake, Doknkey punch extoridaniaire.

I wanna apoloigize no.w Thurs...it's the new rifriday. holla bakc if yo heard me. I have a meeting at 9. I'll taklk tyo your a$$$ 's at 10. and you knlow this man!!!!

Did anyone ansonwer my inquiry rgaerding "V"V????

Veasetmaster???

I lub you all.

Jla- advice is tooo late but- don't don it regarding marriange and kids. at leats I'm not ready yet?!!!!

Just heard coundtry, (i live in Ferneck) you start walknig my way, andi stary walkding waling yurs...

meet ing the middle

worst son egver.

PG

Posted by: Pub Gp;fjlflolf | December 15, 2006 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I dont think my inqyir when t thru wearlier.

Thte question stemmed as follows:

the ne w dallas stadium has a virtual tour. Boofer is good in be.d. Anyway, if you puase it at the right time, you can see Jerry's reptilian skin. now, my qusetion was: Is the guy from "V" the same guy as BEsatmaster, and if so, what is his name. Hopergully, this make s shendse. sorry about blog drkn abuse.

PG

Posted by: Golf Pub | December 15, 2006 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow... impressive PG.

Here ya go: Marc Singer was Dar in the original Beastmaster, and Mike Donovan in the TV show "V."

And apparently is the latest mere mortal to assume the shape of the reptilian life force known as Jerry Jones. He's like the Highlander, only his evil, less talented with a sword brother.

LOUD NOISES!! Bet that don't help this morning, hunh?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Baby we aint got to pretend, Cold World dat we in, losah's lose, winahs win....

Posted by: Fidtee | December 15, 2006 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Last year was not a mirage. This year we changed a few too many things. For long term return to success, we badly need a true-blue GM, and a hustling, thorough scouting team and get back to finding non-ego guys who wanna play. Except for some periods in mid ninety's when they teased w\mediocre seasons with Norm-"gee whiz was it third down?"-Turner doing a head coaching impression when GM was Casserly, not since the days of good ole Bobby B. (& Coach Joe of course) were we consistently formidable and found guys like jacoby, didier, grant, bostic-all mid rounders (jacoby a free agent) who busted their asses to play and in today's world wouldn't have ate up cap space. These top 10 picks are too risky (Carlos Rogers? Average at best; Sean Taylor? Same though has his moments. Lavar? Nuff said...Samuels? Good, but 3rd overall pick-worthy? Bailey? Very very good but too much $$$, too much ego & now he's gone). Man, trade the #1's or at least down in the first round (good finds in bottom ten) and get multiple 2″s, 3″s & 4's and get more guys like Cartwright, Goldstein, Antonio Pierce (God we miss him) and Betts. Jansen was a 2nd rounder. Cerrato is an obsequies sycophant lacking in creativity w\no eye for talent. Love Coach Joe, but GM's a full time job. We only need to look north 30 miles at the purple & black gang-a true GM, & hands off owner (except when he slapped Brian to tone down his at times haughty act), not too many flashy guys that were top picks save Ray & Jonathon--though they're the lunch pail types we have sorely lacked for a long, long time. Anothewr thing they do that I hope and pray 'skins adobt--no celebrations after routine tackles, catches. Just run back to the huddle and afford more time to come back on the next play and do it again.......

FOR THE DIM WITTED, FAIR WEATHERED, OFT TIMES IGNORANT COWBOY FANS: 'skins lifetime record vs Dalls in post season is 2--0. 'skins did sweep last year, and kept Dallas at home--the Dec fed-ex game was a butt whipping like no other, and in itself sapped the will out of them. Set up blueprint to beat Bledsoe and led to his demise. So they went and signed TO.......yea, that's not desperate at all.....Finnally--parcells won't stay another 1--2 years unless the team is doing well and in playoff's? what's that all about? sounds like the fair-weathered dallas fans rubbed off on him!

Posted by: tab | December 15, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that it takes Gibbs et al over half a season each year to get it right? First year back, he stuck with Brunell WAAAAAYYYYY too long. Record didn't improve much with Ramsey in there, but we were in games against the Steelers, the Eagles and a few other VERY good teams. Last year, it took them until the last 5 games of the season to commit to the run with CP and they WON. This year, same thing. WAAAAAAYYYY too long with Brunell. He couldn't do more than the 5 or 10 yard pass to the flats. Everybody ended up stacked within 5 of the line of scrimmage and no running game. Decide after the season's over pretty much that they'll commit to the run. And for the second year in a row, we're successful at it, with separate backs.

Don't they learn? Shouldn't we have been running it all year long? I remember earlier in the season, on consecutive weeks we played the teams that ranked in the bottom two against the run. And we didn't try to exploit it. Ended up passing more than throwing.

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | December 15, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention that last year during our stretch run and into the playoffs, we won DESPITE Mark Brunell's AWFUL end of the year performance. Yet he stuck with him through another, what 9 games this year?

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | December 15, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

nice

Posted by: boiii | December 19, 2006 7:22 PM | Report abuse

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