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A Teensy Morsel

You can chill a bit on the release of the NFL schedule, hamster nation. Maske reports that league officials continue to tinker with it (no truth to the rumor that Kornheiser insisted they make it busworthy) and are aiming for next week -- the 19th -- at the earliest.
So it's back to the Briggs watch!

By Cindy Boren  |  April 3, 2007; 12:04 PM ET
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That's not even a morsel, Cyn Cyty -- that's a declaration that the morsel that was promised on Tuesday will not arrive until Saturday.

Hamster Nation is not pleased, and will be on the HabitTrail until further notice.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 3, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I truly am sorry. Curl up in your sawdust and take a little nap.

Posted by: Cindy | April 3, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

No news is good news (sorry if someone else already linked to this Clayton non-story).

I want my NFL 2007 schedule!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 3, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Skins have a deadline for the Bear's to accept or reject the trade offer...


"Last week, the Redskins made a one-time offer for Briggs, offering to swap their first-round draft pick, the sixth overall, for the Bears' No. 31 overall pick. The Redskins offer was take-it-or-leave it, and they told the Bears that they wanted an answer no later than Tuesday."

Posted by: CC | April 3, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for posting the same sh*t as Nate...

Posted by: CC | April 3, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The only thing you need to watch is me taking all yo money. After I suck you dry of cap space there won't be any need for a draft day party. We'll just change that to a Briggs Day party. HAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: Lance Briggs | April 3, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Thanks ... now back to my exercise wheel ... must keep running ... almost to the far wall of my aquarium ... almost there ... must ... keep ... running ...

From the last post:

"What do you think the trade down possibilities would be if Peterson is there at #6. Houston, Buffalo, GB, Denver, NYJ? I wonder if any of those teams like him enough to overpay the skins for him. Denver and NYJ are pretty far down in the first round so they aren't as likely. But Houston Buffalo, and GB (can't rule out Min, Atl and Carolina either) all need a RB.

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2007 11:33 AM"

Dream boat scenario. Would love that. I can't see Gibbs moving Portis, and can't see Saunders moving Betts, so even with all the due diligence in the world, I can't see them making splash over Peterson.

The question would continue to present itself, however, "trade down or pick Anderson/Landry/Okoye/Branch?"

NEXT QUESTION! [Hint: If any of those four guys is represented by the guy who yells that, the Skins don't trade down.]

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

In other news, Sen. Richard Engle just cancelled a news release announcing the date of a press conference to announce that he's considering a speech to state he hasn't made up his mind yet if he will announce when or if he'll run for President.

Posted by: Corkczar | April 3, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse do we make a deal to swap picks with Cleveland to get CJ if we don't give them next year's picks? Something tells me that Lloyd should be part of the deal. Because Lloyd is the Weakest Link..goodbye.

Posted by: Dcdangerous | April 3, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If I could be gm/team prez for a day my goal would be to swap #1's with Cleveland. I understand we would have to give a player, or even two (no draft picks) to make it fly. Cleveland should still have their pick of Quinn or Peterson at 6. We of course, should take Johnson.

Posted by: Riggo | April 3, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

we have a few trade worthy players:

sean taylor
Jon Jansen
Shawn springs
chris cooley
ladell betts
climton portis
Jason campbell
double move

Most I don't see gibbs parting with, but who knows?


Posted by: Old School | April 3, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If we were crazy enough to draft up in hopes of getting Calvin "Can't Miss" Johnson, I hope Brandon Lloyd would be a part of the package. Not only would we have a logjam at WR, we'd have to get some salary cap relief.

Or perhaps, in hopes of finding someone even more crazy to draft up to get Johnson and give us more than we otherwise would get in return for our #6.

But I'm wondering if we and the front office are thinking too hard on this one, like trying to string together multiple trades, like trading up and then trading down. But all these scenarios seem so risky compared to standing pat and seeing what arrives when the sixth pick is on the clock. Ah, who knows.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 3, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

that response to skinswest was me, but maybe the context was obvious.

Nate, no cap relief on Lloyd in a trade w/o restructured deal. Instead, accelerated cap hit right to the forehead.

More importantly, Old School is correct. Players that other teams would want in a trade actually have to be good, or at least servicable (and worth their base salaries). Given the other chatter to date, I also would suggest that Lemar, Golston, and MacIntosh might be tradeworthy (though not commanding the same value as the guys Old School identifies). I would also put Samuels, Rabach, Thomas, and Marcus on the same scale as the guys on Old School's list.

Question: did the Skins trade for Holdman or was he picked up off a waiver wire (or outright free agency)?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Old School, ARE wouldn't be on that list b/c of the same accelerated cap problem that there is with Lloyd. Archuleta was a different story b/c he wanted out so that he could play, so he was willing to re-negotiate his contract.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Could someone please go over to Redskins Park and take the phone of the hook this afternoon?

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Brandon Lloyd should get one more year to prove he is not a bust. The "system" is a year older and JC seems to have a better grasp at scanning the receivers.

At this point, I dont think lloyd has much trade value after the year he had. The other names on the list I would absolutely hate to se leave...maybe except for double move

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think the 'Skins take it or leave it offer to the Bears actually means "But if you come back to us and ask us to throw in Lemar, we'll do it." I don't know why, but my gut says it's going to happen this way.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 3, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

To the Redskins FO.....

"Did You Know? Of the 97 players in this year's Pro Bowl, one was acquired via trade (Champ Bailey) and nine were free-agent signings. So 87 Pro Bowl performers were "homegrown talent" -- playing for the team that originally picked them up. Twenty-eight of the 37 different men who have won the Super Bowl MVP award had those performances for the teams that originally drafted them."

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 3, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking the more important part of "take it or leave it by Tuesday afternoon" is the Tuesday afternoon part rather than the take it or leave it part. Angelo was sending signals in the press that he might sit on it a while and let the Skins stew. I'm guessing the Skins just want an active negotiation, or to pull the offer so that they can move in another direction or on different (crazy) angle.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Say the Skins do execute the trade for briggs - they can still pick up a solid DT or DE at 31. Victor Abiamiri, DeMarcus Tyler, Quinn Pitcock and Quentin Moses should all be there
As long as you put a big body in front of briggs, that would be a good setup. I wouldn't mind seeing Tank Tyler/Golston and Griffin at the tackles, and Carter / Daniels / Wynn at DE

Abiami / Daniels / Wynn, Golston, Griffing, Carter
Briggs, Fletcher, Washington

Posted by: GM | April 3, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

NAte - It really is an OLD Non Story sice AdamSchefter reportrd it yesterday.

Also, the Riggo show S-U-C-K-S. Even though they are Redskins Radio, they don't have the inside edge and when the bash the Redskins, they don't do it with facts. Yesterday Sheehan was tlaking about how the Briggs trade is suppose to include Golston/MArshall/or Mac. He also thinks that the Skins are realistically thinking of drafting JaMarcuss Russel. Shut the f*ck up as a talking head and spit facts....

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 3, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Abiami is somewhat of a local kid (B'more)

Posted by: GM | April 3, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Good point GM. A lot of people have poo-pooed the Briggs trade, but it does make sense on a lot of fronts. Throw Marshall in the mix to get it done, and you still come out ahead

Posted by: Jimmy | April 3, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The question would continue to present itself, however, "trade down or pick Anderson/Landry/Okoye/Branch?"

NEXT QUESTION! [Hint: If any of those four guys is represented by the guy who yells that, the Skins don't trade down.]

Posted by: | April 3, 2007 12:30 PM

Tough call. I'd lean to staying at #6 and grabbing the best DL or Landry. Hopefully someone wants Peterson bad enough (seems like a weak year for top RB's) that they'd give the skins multiple first day picks for him. If not Peterson maybe Quinn could be the guy at #6 that teams want to move up for. (Vikings, Dolphins?)

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

Posted by: Danny Boy | April 3, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Godfather II...well done

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

uh, did somebody just shart themselves?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I think today is the day Briggs becomes a Redskin... sorry RI nation. I'm still not sure wether I like the trade or oppose it... I do know that there are certainly more pressing issues then LBer.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 3, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry buddy, Briggs trade fell through. It's unbelievable how slow this site's updates have become. I'll stick with ExtremeSkins from now on. Thanks for nothing.

Posted by: Mike | April 3, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse


I agree and remove ARE (cap hit).

since you only have 15 minutes on the clock to make a decision, I think you need to evaluate every trade/pick option so you don't go all vikings when your number is called and you don't know what name to put on the card.

Posted by: Old School | April 3, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse


I think Holdman was a manager trainee at Wendy's.

Posted by: Old School | April 3, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Such as Rhein running back Gerald Riggs Jr., whose father Gerald Sr. was a star runner in the NFL. Riggs says the biggest effect of his father's career was simply that it caused him to gravitate naturally to the sport.

"I was around football, or it was around me, all the time. I wasn't forced into it, I just wanted to. It wasn't a case of following in my dad's footsteps, it was more like he was a good example."

With the same name, same position, and -- some might say -- similar styles, does Gerald mind comparisons?

"Personally, I think we're very different runners, so there's no comparison. But I've never felt the pressure to match him, and he's never put pressure on me. My first year in high school football was the first season my father was retired, so he's always been a great resource for me."

The Fire also boast wide receiver J.J. Outlaw, whose father John was also a wide receiver in the NFL. Like Riggs, J.J. says his father's biggest influence came from setting an example. John Outlaw made an unusual jump from coaching football to basketball, and is now a coach with the NBA's Washington Wizards. "

Posted by: Not 'Not Loco Mullin' | April 3, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I jinxed the trade!!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 3, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Seems the Skins are smart enough not to want to part with Rocky. Somebody in Ashburn has at least a quarter of his brain cells left.

Posted by: JustMe | April 3, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If the deal is dead then good job to the FO for holding to their word.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I'll stick with ExtremeSkins from now on. Thanks for nothing.

Posted by: Mike | April 3, 2007 02:10 PM

Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out, Mikey.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 3, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

skins just signed corey dillion to 1 year, vet min. deal. not huge news but seems a little weird considering the logjam at running back.

Posted by: AFe | April 3, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

4-12 for blog bouncer!!

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

To me keeping Rocky would still be a good move if we got Briggs. Notwithstanding what someone posted in the last blog about nickel and dime packages and which LB would not be on the field....

Many other teams have great depth at a position, and get those players in the game and they produce. Then they become more valuable down the road (see the Ravens with AD, Boulware, Ray Ray, Suggs, etc..) in a trade. Also as insurance against injuries. Really it is a question of money paid to players who do not start, but then again our team NEVER seems to have a problem with that.

We just have to find time to prove Rocky is a starter if he has Briggs and Washington ahead of him on the depth chart.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 3, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear the Briggs trade is off. Weird trade offer. Odd timing. And strange that they turned it down. I don't get it.

I'd love to find out what was really going on behind the scenes with this one.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | April 3, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It just seems odd that they want more in the deal when we are the ones dropping so many spots

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse


My bet is all parties are trying to use the other... Rosencrantz, Redskins and Bears. It just seems the Bears were late to the party and decided to turn bullying into what the skins and Next Question already had in mind, to get other teams on the move for their 3 respective positions.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 3, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone confirmed the Corey Dillon story that we signed him to a one year deal.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Now that Snyder has been rejected, lets see if he can stay disciplined. The Bears are doing us a huge favor by not giving us a player we'd have to shell out 20M just to sign. I don't think that would be well received by the players currently under contract.

Posted by: cdubb | April 3, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

In a school just outside of Dallas, a first grade teacher
explained to her class that she is a Cowboys fan.
She asked her students to raise their hands if they are Cowboys fans too.
Not really knowing what a Cowboys fan is,
but wanting to be liked by their teacher, their hands all
went up into the air. However, there is one exception.

A little boy named Timmy has not gone along with the crowd.
The teacher asks him why he has decided to be different.
"Because I am not a Cowboys fan" says Timmy. The teacher then asks,
"What are you ?" Timmy says "I'm a REDSKINS fan.
" The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red,
she asks Timmy why he is a REDSKINS fan. " Well, my mom and
dad are REDSKINS fans so I'm a REDSKINS fan too."

The teacher is now angry." That's no reason" she says loudly.
What if your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot?"
Timmy smiled and said, "Then I'd be a Cowboys fan."

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 3, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing saying the Skins signed Dillen. If they had it would make me think they are looking to deal Betts

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

From PFT


Several days after receiving an offer of the No. 6 overall pick in the draft in exchange for linebacker Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall selection, the Chicago Bears have responded to the Washington Redskins.

The Bears have said "no thanks," according to Jay Glazer of

The 'Skins emerged as a candidate last week in conjunction with the league meetings in Arizona. Few league observers expected the Bears to accept the offer. Most, however, anticipated that Chicago would make a counterproposal, possibly by asking that a player like linebacker Rocky McIntosh be added to the deal.

Glazer explains that the Redskins don't want to part with McIntosh. If that's the case, then the 'Skins should simply let McIntosh play the weakside position that would have been filled by Briggs and use the No. 6 overall pick on a defensive end, or dangle the selection in exchange for a package of lower picks.

In Chicago, Briggs remains a free agent who is restrained by the franchise tag. He can sign an offer sheet with any other team. If, however, the Bears choose not to match, the Bears will be entitled to two first-round picks."

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 3, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse


And I think players have specifically come out and said just as much. They feel current skins players are always undervalued and expendable for the newest, shiniest FA.

Does not promote locker room health, and I think it showed very clearly last year. No soldier would die for their commanding officer if there was no confidence the officer knows how to run the unit.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 3, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Hopefully someone wants Peterson bad enough (seems like a weak year for top RB's) that they'd give the skins multiple first day picks for him. If not Peterson maybe Quinn could be the guy at #6 that teams want to move up for. (Vikings, Dolphins?)

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2007 01:43 PM"

Kirwan ( just posted his 6th version of his Mock Draft and has Quinn at #7 and Peterson at #10 (where Houston sits). Of the trade partners suggested (Houston, GB, Buffalo, NYJ, Denver), he notes that Marshawn Lynch is falling quickly for reasons beyond his control -- and notes that the Pack does seem to want and need a running back -- so maybe they might jump to #6 to beat Houston at #10. Good work, skinswest, now let's make it so.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's so strange at all that the Bears turned down the deal as it was offered. Even though they have about 8 linebackers currently on their roster, there's no telling how many they have picked up in the offseason to try to find someone who can play in the event that Briggs actually does sit out. From all reports, they really don't have a solid Plan B for his spot.

Also, above all else, the Bears are cheap. They will not want to wrap up the kind of bonus money that would be required for the #6 pick, assuming they couldn't move down from it.

As an interesting side note, when perusing the Bears' roster to see how many linebackers they currently have, I noticed that our very own former Cowgirl killer, Nick Novak, is now on their roster.

Posted by: JustMe | April 3, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse


I just had the very same thought. I wonder how danny will react to not getting ehat he wanted. He need grandpa Joe more than ever.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Hopefully someone wants Peterson bad enough (seems like a weak year for top RB's) that they'd give the skins multiple first day picks for him. If not Peterson maybe Quinn could be the guy at #6 that teams want to move up for. (Vikings, Dolphins?)

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2007 01:43 PM"

Kirwan ( just posted his 6th version of his Mock Draft and has Quinn at #7 and Peterson at #10 (where Houston sits). Of the trade partners suggested (Houston, GB, Buffalo, NYJ, Denver), he notes that Marshawn Lynch is falling quickly for reasons beyond his control -- and notes that the Pack does seem to want and need a running back -- so maybe they might jump to #6 to beat Houston at #10. Good work, skinswest, now let's make it so.

p.s. Kirwan also has Gaines Adams going at #3 and Jamaal Anderson going at #5 ... things that make me go "grrrrrr". He projects Okoye to the Skins at #6. I'm OK wtih that. Also OK with trading down to get into the thick of the picks where the CBs start falling, then maybe a DT or DE in the second/third round.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

sorry for the double post. my browser said it timed out.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen anything online or on TV about Corey Dillon, and can't imagine it would be true that the Skins signed him. More accurately, I can't imagine that he would sign with the Skins. If he wanted to share carries for the vet minimum, he could have stayed in New England.

Posted by: JustMe | April 3, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

That just made my day. I didn't like that trade from day one. Now just hold onto the pick until draft day. There is no question in my mind that someone is going to want to move up.

Posted by: jm220 | April 3, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Dillon thing is wrong. I think that would make Betts a bigger trade prospect, which would be terrible given that CP is coming off an injury plagued year

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse


I think it is worth noting that the FO never actually said who we are targeting in the draft. Everybody else assumes it is DL since we have a need. But as you stated, CB could be possible with a trade of springs (only if)... which still makes me optimistic that we are doing it right.

So many other times teams knew who we were going for and did not need to trade with us or past us to get their player. So by not committing, or tipping our hand, we should see some draft day proposals.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 3, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Skins might have said no to the counter-offer because they changed their mind about the whole deal. If this thing started with Rosenhaus talking to Snyder, and then Vinnie jumping on board, it may have happened that when Gibbs was finally brought in the loop he said, "I don't know..." Then there was no way to get out of it quickly without it looking like Snyder is giving way to Gibbs, even though that's what's happening, though you can trust Gibbs to be diplomatic with Snyder.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 3, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Bears decline trade. Props to Danny boy for not backing down and giving into the Bears demands(and thankfully, not making the awful trade as it is).

Posted by: Broken Clipboard | April 3, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Come on guys. The Dillion thing was from a Jr High poster. I can't believe you guys couldn't see through that. He just wanted to laugh at you guys........

Posted by: ES | April 3, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Dillon is in Tenn today talking to the Titans... doubt Redskin One was in the vicinity.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 3, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Now that is what you call team spirit. Some people were actually willing to root for another team if this deal went through. But the redskins stayed strong and now can focus on two trade scenarios:

1) trade down to teams to get more picks (hopefully it will be New England)


2) Trade up to one of the picks before Tampa Bay to get Calvin Johnson without sacrificing future picks or players (I would rather lose Lloyd than ARE)

Posted by: DCdangerous | April 3, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand why the skins were even thinking about trading for briggs if they feel Rocky Mac is a good upside player. Why not just start him and keep #6. I thought all along they were going to try to bait chicago into giving up and additional fist day pick for #6 and rocky mac. Still might happen, I am glad the skins are playing hard ball for a change.

Posted by: Brutus | April 3, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

" ... Shut the f*ck up as a talking head and spit facts....

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 3, 2007 01:40 PM"

ES, watch the language, its unnecessary. Here at RI, we don't want people ending a clause with a preposition unless they really need to!

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

this news is like having a huge weight taken off my shoulders. Can it be the skins are actually growing up and acting smart? I was looking on last night and noticed M.Doss is available. Do you think we should sign him to compete for the starting spot and if nothing else quality depth at the safety position

Posted by: Brut | April 3, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Al Davis really really really really really wants to draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 pick. It would be a no-brainer if JaMarcus Russell wasn't available this year.

Detroit secretly wants Quinn. Cleveland really wants Russell. Gruden doesn't really want Peterson. Arizona is praying for Thomas to drop to #5.

Posted by: Little Birdie | April 3, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Joe from Raleigh, I already have my autopsy report on the Briggs deal ... and it had very little to do with the Redskins.

Because the deal was created and publicly ventilated by NEXT QUESTION!, this seems to be able negotiating posture btwn Briggs and the Bears. The deal represented 1000 Jimmy Jones Trade Points (JJTPs). When $nydermenbashi went public with a multi-year, gajillion dollar offer, he translated that 1000 points into contract value. Because the Bears rejected the 1000 JJTP trade offer, they have egg on their faces when they balk at that a contract request of that duration for that money.

The unravelling of this conspiracy is that $nydermenbashi's money isn't real money (kind of like Canadian money) ... and everyone knows that NEXT QUESTION! and $nydermenbashi are scratching each others' dorsal surfaces (needed to use those big words b/c snakes don't have backs).

The Skins were bit players in this drama featuring only NEXT QUESTION! and Jerry Angelo. Unfortunately, it might be Briggs who is the only one who is going to suffer any adverse consequences from this.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I desperately hope that the news regarding the trade holds to form, but I still agree with 4-12... the Bears now have us exactly where they want us.

In less than a week, our 2nd grade owner will get so impatient that he will contact the Bears and offer them anything they want.

The Bears aren't stupid. If this was any other team, they would have made the move within hours. With us, history has proven that they can hold out for more and we'll eventually come running back to them, which is exactly what they are waiting for.

Please don't walk into this trap... AGAIN. I swear, we're like a fish in the lake that keeps falling for the ol' worm on the hook deal OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 3, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm beta testing "$nydermenbashi" as a blogname for The Owner. It derives from the recently deceased authoritarian crackpot ruler of Turkmenistan, Turkmenbashi. Among other ridicularities, the late Turkmenbashi decreed that the Turkmen words for "bread" and the month of April be changed to the name of his deceased mother.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if there is a website out there that identifies the agents for the top draft prospects?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Sween are you an English teacher??

Also, i see peeps cussing all day in here but I am the only one that get's called out?? I don't get it bruh. Help me understand the logic.

Posted by: ES | April 3, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

My fellow fans...I am devastated at the Lance Briggs news. $87M for 3 years, plus 4 #1 draft picks and still Chicago balks. I am not used to being blindsided by cogent and rational thinking. But fear not, the draft is yet at hand, and the game is afoot!

Posted by: Cerattto | April 3, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain to me how the Skins could trade up to #1 or #2 and include either of their wideouts in the package and still make it work under the cap? Trading or cutting Lloyd or Randle El would be a tremendous cap hit, wouldn't it?

Posted by: KK | April 3, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

ES, nope, I just read other people's writing all day (and have to write exactly what other people want said, in as few words as possible). Just goofin' on ya. Feel free to curse till your typing fingers get carpel tunnel syndrome. The WaPo claims they will remove profanity from a comment, but I doubt it happens. [Hey, can I call you RightWay? only b/c ES has that other meaning]

Does anybody have any idea where this Corey Dillon thing came from? For a second, I had Duckett flashbacks.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

KK, agreed. Think about it ... there is one starter WR left ... now perish the thought.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

why is this site the only media outlet to report nothing on the briggs trade?

Posted by: Spunky | April 3, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse


Just an ITA moment from someone... no source to back it up... all shabingus

Posted by: PDSquared | April 3, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The Bears do not have us right where they want us, it is the other way around! They have a disgruntled player and the only team they can unload him to is the team that they are trying to milk. Not wise, Skins won't budge... feels like the Bear's F.O. ego's are too big.

Sure I've heard folks talk on the Bear's side that they are so close to winning the superbowl that it makes no sense to trade Briggs... well then pay the guy and stop the madness, otherwise they are just creating a mess.

Makes no sense to me... The Bear's should take the Skins offer and find another way to fill the LB spot by using or trading the 6th pick.

Dumb politics. Players are great until they want to be compensated for what they are worth, then the smear campaigns start (he's a whiner; not really that good because of Urlacker, etc. etc.)

Posted by: JoeyV | April 3, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

No. Rightway is reserved for Real issues such as people talking trash about PG County under the 'comments' section under the articles in the METRO section.

KK - They can transfer over the gaurenteed $$ to the other team to lesson the cap hit.

I highly doubt they would trade ARE. That's Saunders' guy. Take him, Cooley, and JC off of that stupid tradeable list..........

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 3, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse


I also noticed the comments about PG County. I grew up in PG and I know its not perfect but it is still considered home.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

PDxPD, seems like ITA is preserved for bona fide @$$clowns and trolls and unpleasant people, whereas an off-the-wall inquiry (or sexual preference insult followed by a request for a lunch suggestion) is just ignored in the regular fashion.

Spunky, the primary WaPo beat reporter who breaks "late breaking news" is out on paternity leave. Seems like you did get the news you needed in a timely fashion here though. :) Thanks for stopping by, try the veal, we got a great show lined up....

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

So the bears decline trade... THANK GOD!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Calvin Johnson here we come :-)

Posted by: JoeyV | April 3, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Rather have Gaines Adams

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I forgot... we always have other teams where WE (stressing the WE) want them on trades.


Denver: Vinny, what do you mean a straight up trade, Bailey for CP, is more than fair? You can definitely find a shut down Corner just as easily as you can find a Running Back. We want a 2nd rounder too.

US: Uh, I guess you're right. I mean, Running Backs are definitely harder to find than shut down corners. Let me make sure we haven't already traded that pick THERE and we'll ship it right off.

Denver ends up with arguably the best corner in the league and Tatum Bell with our pick.

Don't get me wrong, I love CP... but we should have been the team to get the 2nd rounder. Running backs are a dime a dozen in this league. Look at the emergence of some of the RB's around the league. You just don't see that at the Corner position.

If you think I'm wrong, please provide an example and I'll admit I was wrong. But based on the past trades made by this regime, all I see are examples of us getting bent over.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 3, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Spunky -

The Washington Post knows better than anyone that this temporary delay is just one of several common negotiating tactics employed by Daniel "The Deal" Snyder. You can expect further news regarding the Briggs deal late this afternoon or early tomorrow.

If you just want to delve in rumors, hang around at one of those amateur sites you apparently frequent on a regular basis.

Posted by: Deal News | April 3, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Watch that language Sween..... I know what @ and $$ mean...

Posted by: RI Police | April 3, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I got news for you - FOXsports is the one telling people that the Briggs deal fell through, NOT some message board. So get off your WP secular-progressive high horse and give us some news on this team.

Posted by: Deal Mews | April 3, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This is a blog, you neocon schmuck. Go to a news site if you want news.

Posted by: Deal News | April 3, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I want no part of Gaines Adams. No, thank you. We've already got a 260 pound defensive end, who isn't great against the run. We don't need another.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 3, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Great news that the Bears have declined the trade offer. I'm not sure if we have the Bears GM to thank or somewhere else.

Next Question certainly had to be the driving force behind the deal, and I truly believe that Gibbs was not pushing for the trade (but perhaps G Dubbs was pushing for it for another one of his failed experiments). Now us Skins fans can finally focus on the draft and stockpiling picks when one of the supposed top 5 picks slides down the draft.

Ricky B, I have to agree. Somehow Vinny C and the rest of the FO staff do not know how to value draft picks when trading them for players on other teams (i.e. B. Lloyd). I bet if we had a shrewd GM, Lloyd could've been had for a conditional 7th round draft pick. The 49ers knew they got the better end in that deal.

Posted by: L'Ville Skins Fan | April 3, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere = someone... was thinking too fast and typing too slow, or maybe it was the opposite.

Posted by: L'Ville Skins Fan | April 3, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, good points about the trade. The thing I find baffling is that it's a pretty big risk on the Redskins part just to help Rosenhaus with his negotiation. What if the Bears had accepted it? Then we're going into the season with the same sorry d-line and secondary and more LBs than we can use. I just have to wonder who thought this was a good idea?

Also, it's weird that Snyder is so blatantly in bed with Rosenhaus. I wonder if it raises concerns among other owners.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | April 3, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Ricky b

bailey wanted out tired of all the changes. under those circumstances we did well to get portis and remember champ was very good here, but has taken his game to the great level over the past two seasons, if he was picking off 10/year here i think we would have tried everything to make him happy and keep him here. moss / coles we got the better end of that one.

You said running backs are a dime a dozen, I would agree and add to that so is almost everyone else provided you got the franchise QB, so yeah denver got champ but unless cutler is the man, champ is going to be a shutdown corner with no ring.

Posted by: Old School | April 3, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh, forget about the other owners, its Mrs. Snyder who should worry. I agree that it was a huge risk for the Skins, but maybe somehow somewhere they thought there was an upside to it, esp. if it happened quickly. I dunno. Normally, when there is smoke, there's fire. In this case though, it just seems the smoke was only accompanied by mirrors.

Mews, my sectarian-fundamentalist horse has been off the stuff and clean for months. Have a nice day.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Bears have turned down the skins proposed trade. Hallelujah, there is a God!!!

Posted by: Denesh | April 3, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS..........BEARS REJECT TRADE PROPOSAL FROM REDSKINS!!!!!!!me so horney, me love you long time.

Posted by: Jo | April 3, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I never get tired of hearing that...

Posted by: Cheyenne, Wy | April 3, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

According to the intergooglewebs, big news about former Skins yesterday. David Patten visited the Saints and, get this, the Rams signed Mike Rumph! [On the latter, apparently its the kind of secondary that make Archuleta look good.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I know this isn't Skins related, but Keith Richards admitted to snorting his Dad's ashes with cocaine. That really explains his youthful appearance.

Posted by: Denesh | April 3, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I am not defending the FO here the track record of mis evaluating there own , someone else's , the college kids guys, from canada, europa and anywhere else football is played, has been documented.

I just feel and on record saying the QB/coach dynamic has been their undoing, had they gotten that right 7yrs ago we wouldn't be a laughing stock.

we have at least a 5yr window to correct that, I maybe wrong but I know Gibbs style of football and what he values in a team does not go out of style (Needed updating) he has the right(?) or a least better suited QB to run it, continuity and good coaching again with NFL track records of not just good but top level Good on both O and D. I think the players still beleive, but this year is critical to bounce back or run the risk next year of Gibbs (lame Duck) in final year with more uncertainty to follow.

so i'm giving it the whole 5 before i say Joe lost anything off the fastball. It was a mess when he got here, we got on a roll and made a run that made everyone to overboard, expectations way to high. that won't be a problem this year.So we get back on track, put a playoff calibur team on the field, i expect us to be in the hunt playoff wise.

I could be wrong and Joe may not have it or maybe fighting a battle he can't overcome(snyder)and if thats the case i have prepared myself to say we are in big trouble,.... but not yet.

Posted by: Old School | April 3, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

me so horny, me love you long time

Posted by: Jo | April 3, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Channel 4 just ran a news piece about "colonoscopy parties". Well then.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 3, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Channel 4 just ran a news piece about "colonoscopy parties". Well then.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 3, 2007 04:50 PM"

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

sween- So many ways we can relate that topic to danny and vinnie...

Posted by: 4-12 | April 3, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

4-12, maybe they'd invite Shanahan and get the tail pinned on the Donkey this time.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

4-12, danny and vinnie need to avoid those parties. no more back room deals!

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I know this isn't Skins related, but Keith Richards admitted to snorting his Dad's ashes with cocaine. That really explains his youthful appearance.

As I keep telling my friends, the day they cremate Keith Richards' corpse will be the happiest day ever in the area 20 square miles downwind of the crematorium....

Anyway, as for our latest musical, 'Briggadoon' - my positive side wants to rejoice that the FO, for once, has blinked second in a free agent standoff. My bitter, cynical, paranoid delusionist side wants to scream that the other shoe hasn't dropped yet. There is that sneaking suspicion on my part that something might happen, as far as either side reconsidering a prior view. It's not necessarily in the coffin, just yet. I really do hope we can put this sordid tale away for good.

Posted by: FlimFlam | April 3, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

FlimFlam- That's right. Waiting for the other shoe to drop. danny wants to make the big splash. I still see them throwing Lemar into this colonoscopy party with the Bears.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 3, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2007 04:52 PM


Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton from ESPN reports that Briggs trade has been stalled or rejected by the Bears.

Keep hope alive!!!

Posted by: John From Herndon | April 3, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope the 'Skins up the anty and ask for additional draft picks if a player is offered up to appease the hungry bears. They would likely part with Rocky first. Lemar Marshall can now play all linebacker positions. There is no way they would part with Goltson. He, Griffin and Fletcher hopefully guarantee a strong middle next year. That would also mean they would have to draft a linebacker and cover corners. Gibbs still wants a receiver to replace Loyd. Loyd is released or becomes a high priced second tier receiver. They need a quarterback in the draft. I think the d-line is going to stand pat unless a miracle occurs. Andre Carter gets a second year with Philip Daniels.

They need draft picks more than the player. This may give them an opportunity to move down and pick up some more picks while getting a player. If they don't get additional picks and they lose a player then this trade could end up as a disaster.

Posted by: Periculum | April 3, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda sad that the Briggs deal fell through. I was hoping that the deal would be consumated so that I finaly would have an excuse to give up my season tickets. My wife is a diehard fan and insists that we go to every home game, even though it's a 80 mile drive. I guess I'll have to wait for the next realy dumb move.

Posted by: Throwback | April 3, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Just saw JLC on WAPO TV. All the reporters on that show dress pretty dapper. I thought that all sports reporters should look like Oscar Madison.

Posted by: Throwback | April 3, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What is the story at QB. I know JC is the starter with Brunell as the #2. Has there been any word on Todd Collins.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, WY - Glad someone else noticed (in reference to PG County). I just brought my 1st house out there and see the trouble, but the cause seems to be the misguided youth. They need better role models. Also, PG is no better/worst than DC, which is where I originated.......

Hey, Isn't that the home of Cheney?

Posted by: ES | April 3, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I think he is from Wyoming, but I'm not sure if he is from here.

I'm not sure if anyone is from here...I think we just end up here.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

PETER KING of CNNSI answers a question from a Skin fan on the Briggs deal (sorry if this was already posted.)

SHOULD THE REDSKINS SCREW UP ANOTHER DRAFT TO DEAL FOR LANCE BRIGGS? From Jeff, of King of Prussia, Pa.: "Can you come up with a theory as to why in the world it would make sense for the Redskins to trade for Lance Briggs? All of the throngs of diehard Redskins fans have become accustomed to our front office doing some wacky stuff, but the flirtation with trading for Lance Briggs takes the cake. It's indefensable. The Redskins are in good shape at linebacker and are desperate for help along the D-Line. So their answer is to trade the sixth pick in the draft for a disgruntled Pro Bowl linebacker looking for a big payday? To get Briggs and give up on Rocky MacIntosh, for whom they traded UP in last years draft to get? To sink outlandish amounts of money in our linebacking corps with Chris Cooley to sign to an extension next year? You'd figure losing Derrick Dockery in a similar manner would open their eyes. To completely ignore the identical failures of signing [Jeremiah] Trotter, [Jessie] Armstead, [Adam] Archuleta, etc.? How does the saying go? 'The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.' The Redskins were able to put away the wallet up to this point this offseason, bring in only a few new players, not overhaul the roster or coaching staff. Then this Briggs thing comes out of nowhere. Redskins Nation is collectively holding its breath that this trade DOES NOT happen!''

Wow. That's an intelligent, passionate fan right there. Here's my view of the deal: You're right -- the Redskins don't have a crying need at linebacker, and I don't expect them to make a trade, swapping the sixth pick in the first round and either MacIntosh or Lemar Marshall for Briggs and the 31st pick in the draft. But I think you need to realize why the Redskins would ponder this move. The one thing you must remember is that Lance Briggs is an excellent football player, one of the five or six best linebackers in football. Last fall, watching the Bears, I saw how they used Briggs and Urlacher interchangeably at both middle and outside linebacker, and Briggs was every bit the factor in many of their big games that Urlacher was. He can take on guards in the hole and he can play side to side as well as almost any linebacker playing today. I think he's worth the big money. If I were the Redskins, I would certainly trade my sixth pick for Briggs and the 31st, but throwing in the good linebacker would kill the deal for me. I hope for your sake the deal in its current permutation doesn't get done.

Posted by: Rob | April 3, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh Glory Day!

I don't think I can remember smiling so much!

Posted by: kost52 | April 3, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Rob. I also agree that I would rather have a proven LB vs an unproven top 10 draft pick. Both will get the same $$ in the 1st place. But that's only if we switch picks. anything else should be an automatic killer of the deal.......

Posted by: ES | April 3, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, just getting back into the office. While the deal is off, you do know there's always a remote possibility it could go through. Just sayin'....

Posted by: Cindy | April 3, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Cindy - I was just gonna mention that the way HB wrote his article, the deal is def not over. We have 3 1/2 more weeks of sweating to do.......

Posted by: ES | April 3, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, ES, you're killin' me with this "remote possibility" business.

Give a guy a little time to bask in what appears to be good news, would ya? :)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 3, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason - just saw you on Washington Post Live....and they showed a picture of Rocco....he is absolutely adorable!! Congratulations again....

Posted by: Lisa | April 3, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully they can leave well enough alone.

Briggs is obviously not just another LB but if he is going to go against the Bears, whats to keep him from being a headache here. Gibbs prides himself on a locker room free of those kinds of people. The last time I heard any bad news about a player was Lloyd, and that seemed to be short lived.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

we need to reject any other offers from the bears and trade down for mor picks. I would rather see us get Okoye rather than Adams. Come on Danny, you can resist Next Question a little longer can't you?

Posted by: Skin_fn_n_TN | April 3, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Does Washington Post ive do a podcast by any chance. I saw it for the first time a couple of weeks ago when I was there on vacation.

Is there a way that someone in the middle of nowhere (me) can catch up?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 3, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Nate. Something like that happened to a friend of mine. He proposed marriage to a woman, who never really answered (maybe she couldn't hear, like Costanza's girlfriend). They went their separate ways and she said yes about six years later. Of course, he was married and had a kid then....

Posted by: Cindy | April 3, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Before all of you get too excited...please remember that the deal could still go through - and probably will.

Posted by: Lisa | April 3, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Portland joins Cheyenne in the clamor for web access to WaPo Live (or instructions if already in place). Pretty please?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 3, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Here's a discussion question, stepping away from personnel matters a bit... I've heard a few people comment up here that we have the "worst stadium in the league."

Agree or disagree? By what criteria?

I'll admit up front that I've only been to a few other stadia. I hate that FedEx is outside the DC limits, and I hate that it doesn't have Metro on site. But aside from the tremendous hassle to get to and from the game I think FedEx is a pretty nice stadium.

Is it the comparison with our beloved RFK that makes it so hard to like FedEx, is it the 90k-and-growing capacity, is it that every one of the 30 other stadia are so incredibly great by comparison? I find that hard to believe, but I want to hear it from you guys.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 3, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Say the Skins do execute the trade for briggs - they can still pick up a solid DT or DE at 31. Victor Abiamiri,"

Okay then who covers the fastest wideouts? Rogers? Smoot? Springs is now injury prone and on the cusp of the end of his career. Who is going to cover those guys? A defensive lineman? A linebacker? Andre Carter was a high 1st round choice. Philip Daniels was a 1st round choice. As was Griffin. Do you really believe you will find a rookie who will be able to immediately have the same impact that 2 good corner backs would have? Pass rush: that is for the linebackers in Grilliams defenses. Yet Carter managed to lead the team in sacks. There was no pass rush because there were no cover corners. There was no run defense because Lemar Marshall was not a great MLB. Marcus Washington got hurt and Holdman just isn't that good. He too came from the bears and that is why he played and La Var didn't. Why wasn't the defensive line coach fired along with the linebacker's coach? Why weren't the secondary coaches fired?

You can't have linebackers covering wide outs. Thats why there was no pass rush because there was no coverage. You have to have some guys who can cover as starters or in the nickel. You need talent. There is talent in the defensive line. The linebackers need improvement so a trade under the right circumstances might help.

Posted by: Periculum | April 3, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse


Looking sharp on WP Live.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 3, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Nate....get back to work and quit worrying about FedEx stadium.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Yo Nate - I can't really comment too much on your stadium talk but it just seems like even though Fedex isn't that old it is already somewhat outdated. And obstructed view seating is inexcusable.

"There was no pass rush because there were no cover corners."
Periculum - I am not seeing this at all. There was no pass rush because of injuries and the general suckiness of the d line. A good d line makes the whole defense much better. Keeps blockers off the LB's and forces the QB to throw before ready or into coverage. Our embarrassing sack total last year says everything you need to know. This years draft is also much deeper with d line than CB prospects.

Posted by: cdubb | April 3, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Give a quarterback 6-8 seconds to throw a pass and the best cornerbacks and safeties will get "burned" almost every time.

Posted by: charlie | April 3, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Why wasn't the defensive line coach fired along with the linebacker's coach? Why weren't the secondary coaches fired?


The line coach wasn't fired because Griffin was banged up, Salave'a was banged up, Daniels was banged up, Carter was learning a new defense and reorienting himself to playing the 4-3 DE position after most recently playing the OLB in a 3-4 defense, and Golston and Montgomery were rookies.

The secondary coaches -- well, that's another matter altogether. It seems Grilliams has really good relationships with both of them and doesn't want to snuff either of them. It's too bad. I'm scared Stephen Jackson will kill what remains of Sean Taylor's football instincts. And, frankly, after seeing both Jackson and Gray as players (for the Oilers) get toasted beyond belief on the NFL Network's replay of the greatest comeback of all time game(Oilers vs. Bills), I worry about *both* of them coaching our DBs.

Posted by: JustMe | April 3, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

To answer some earlier posts about this Dillon thing there is no truth to it. The AFe character who posted it was just another ignorant person with no life out there with nothing better to do then make up a rumor by creating it themselves. The Dillon thing is nothing. Nothing at all. Just ignore the idiots like him that come running in and say "OOOO I hear this or I hear that" and then when you asked them where they heard it their response "uhhhhh I don't know to tell you the truth."

I know the Skins need no help at the LB position but a player of Briggs caliber would've been nice but thank God for the chaotic FO sticking to it and not offering anything more. The only scary thing is as of right now this was the only move out there about them trading down. I only hope that doesn't mean the only scenarios are to trade up or stand pat. Still lots of happenings behind the scenes I bet before the draft.



Posted by: Jboy | April 3, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Even though this trade is off (for now) I still have this feeling in my belly that we're going to make a splash somehow. Sure, it'd be great to trade down and get more picks, but you need a partner, and at this stage it seems as though there are far more teams looking to trade down, than there are teams looking to trade up, and this makes me think that maybe we are going to take a run at Calvin Johnson. My only question, is if we are trying to keep next years picks intact, as Joe said, then what do we have to offer? Lloyd? CP? Betts? Springs?

Posted by: kost52 | April 3, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I saw on that safety Mike Doss, one of the last good safeties on the free agency, hired "DeviL" Drew as his agent. Maybe Redskins will sign him so that we wouldnt need to draft LaRon Landry.

Posted by: DCdangerous | April 3, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't think Doss is a good signing for us, I think he's more of a run support Safety, rather than a coverage Safety, much like Arch. That being the case, we'll probably sign him!

Posted by: kost52 | April 3, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton - It's pretty clear the Bears want to slow down the Lance Briggs trade talks while the Redskins want to move quickly. By calling the Redskins and asking for more than just a swap of No. 1 picks, Bears general manager Jerry Angelo wants to keep alive the option of trading Briggs, but he wants it more on his terms, which may not be a sell with the Redskins.
The Redskins are exploring trade options above their sixth pick and below, with the lower options being tougher. Tuesday was a key day for the Briggs deal to happen. That it passed without a deal is not a good sign for a trade to happen.

Posted by: kost52 | April 3, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

For the last flippin' time....the Skins are not trading Portis or Betts! I don't see anyone wanting LLoyd and I don't believe the teams who pick ahead of us are in the market for a CB.

We are not getting Calvin Johnson.

Posted by: Lisa | April 3, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

but we could trade some of our 2008 draft picks to move up.

Posted by: VC | April 3, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

That would be another stupid move and I can't really see the teams ahead of us going for it. Calvin Johnson is an amazing talent and of all the players in the draft probably the only player almost guaranteed to be a success in the NFL.

Posted by: Lisa | April 3, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

but we could trade some of our 2008 draft picks to move up.

Posted by: VC | April 3, 2007 10:22 PM

only some VC???? we have to trade them all. you know the drill. now go pick up my dry cleaning.

Posted by: Danny | April 3, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Just looked at the RI standings... kind of pissed I got 4th pace instead of 3rd... I was really looking forward to getting the bronze trophy for my yahoo trophy case. I know, I'm lame. I thought for sure UCLA was going to beat Florida... kind of hard when your All American is in foul trouble. Good picks y'all. Sorry Bucktown, I thought you were locked in to win. I bet this is all old news to everyone. Well I'm on a RI sabbatical so back off.

Posted by: Dorf | April 3, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong Lisa, I don't want to trade guys like CP, Betts or Springs. I'm just trying to speculate on what this unpredictable organisation of ours might be up to, because I think there's more to come.

Posted by: kost52 | April 4, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, and all, I'm embarrassed to have won that. 49 correct is a lot better than 40. I have to pay respect to Bucktown for that. But how do you not pick Florida? Great coach, defending champion, tons of players coming back. Great playing and blogging with you all though, sorry a Cowboys fan won it.

Posted by: SMACK | April 4, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

The extremeskins board claims that the Bucs want Gaines Adams or Amobi Okoye, to replace the aging Rice. If that is so, and the Raiders want Russell, and the Lions want Quinn, and the Browns want Thomas, and the Cardinals admit they already have Boldin and Fitzgerald, then WE could get CJ! A steal!

Posted by: DCdangerous | April 4, 2007 2:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm new to this blogging thing but it's great to see such intelligent Skins Fans in one spot. Too bad there's not more of you at our fav redskin bars on sundays!

I agree with most of you that the best approach to this year's draft is either to move up for CJ or to move down and stockpile. If I had the keys on draft day I would talk to cleveland. To me they are the most pricarious in what they are actually looking for. I think the perfect fit for them would be Amobi Akoye and I dont see Tampa taking him at 4. He would be a stud D-End in a 3-4 scheme for 10-12 years with his athletisism and penetration. The Raiders won't pass on Russell's Arm. The lions can talk up Adams all they want but there's no way they take him at 2. Detroit has to take Quinn.. You know Mike Martz desperately wants an upgrade over Kitna. The cardinals need O-Line in the worst way so they either hit gold with Thomas at 5 or attempt to trade down to get Levi Jones. We all know CJ is gone if he's there for Tampa at 4. I would wait until Cleveland is on the clock and if CJ is there this is the offer..

Redskins recieve 3rd over all pick ( 2200 )

Browns recieve 6th over all pick ( 1600 )
Ledell Betts
2008 3rd Round pick

I love Ledell, I think he's a great 3rd down back and great between the tackle runner who hits the holes harder than some of the elite backs in this league but Calvin Johnson is Calvin Johnson. There's a 600 point difference between picking 6th and 3rd, which is equal to the 31st over all. Assuming Betts is of the same, or perhaps a slightly higher value of a Thomas Jones..A 3rd rounder next year is anywhere from 250 to 125 points, that's about 500+ points the skins give up. Again this is assuming cleveland would want Akoye or even Branch ( for Branch they could probably trade down even further to aquire more picks ) They would have a solid backfeild with Droughns and Betts and still get a young defensive studd that fits Cronell's scheme with out paying 3rd pick money. This is a trade that makes sense. I fear Detroit would want too much to move to second unless they really love Mr Springs. If Cleveland didn't want to move to 6 then I would call Atlanta and Miami, get whatever you could and Draft Jamall Anderson if Okoye is gone. I'm tempted by Gaine's Adams' burst but I agree with some of you that coupled with a less than stout Andre Carter that would make the bookends a little thin. ( not to say it wouldn't be a greatttt 3rd down package for the blitz happy Williams ) Quite Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing the Skins trade down to low 20's where there is still value along the D-line. If you aquire picks for the love of god get a free saftey that can cover deep or match up man to man and let Shawn Taylor be the Strong Saftey he's dying to be. You can never have enough D-linemen so if theres one of value in the mid-rounds go for it. The offense, even with out CJ, is going to be better this year. If we can add needed youth and speed on Defense then this team can suprise poeple. By the way, with Ledell gone, can we please bring back Jessie Lumson From Canada? That boy gooood.. :)

Posted by: Jay-Hog | April 4, 2007 3:45 AM | Report abuse


Droughns is a giant now. Jamal Lewis is the newest Brown back. And I would expect them to take a rook to learn/pair with Lewis. After Last years draft of RB's, peeps are going to think that lightning will strike twice. Instead of taking a 5th year back that hasn't show much except for last year.

But I see the Browns going with Peterson because of his upside and the fact they already have a between the tackles runner in Lewis.

Raiders take Jmarc
Lions take Quinn
Browns take Peterson
TB takes CJ (Deep DL draft, will take DL later)
Ari takes Thomas (their roster shows 3 OT's Gandy, Mike | Gorin, Brandon and Ross, one special)

Then we have our pick of DL, Landry or trading down which will be unlikely with the top 5 going in the top 5.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 6:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Gruden will be able to pass up on CJ being an offensive guy, and having a deep DL draft. I think we'd be wise to go with a DL here, regardless, or better yet, trade down.

We do not give up Ladell Betts for an unproven wide reciever. I don't care how much talent he appears to have. He is unproven. Ladell Betts is a core Redskin. Trading him would wreck team chemistry and send another season spiralling into the abyss.

Posted by: David Chunn | April 4, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

is there a reason that the blog/removable types 'been eating my entries?

cindy, did you guys add a BS sniffer or something...

ummmmmm where was i...ohh yes...
cindy, did your friend leave his family for that woman that he had proposed to 4 years back...?

anyone else investing in the real estate market still?

and doesn't it seem like no matter what move the skins make it'll be the wrong one. just like the wizards. this briggs deal reminds me of the chicago's (koinkydink) offer of Elton Brand for Kwame Brown. and MJ said "no".

in this case chicago wants another unproven commodity (rocky mac) for a proven solid player and skins are saying "hell no".

Posted by: dealer | April 4, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

dealer, did you ask about the San Diego real estate market a few days back? what's that all about?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 4, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

DCdangerous, I heard from a much more reliable source (the NFL Network) than ExtremeSkins (that's a fan site!) that Tampa Bay is excited and salivating over drafting Calvin Johnson.

As exciting as getting him would be we need to face the fact that will not be possible unless we drop down to pick 1 or 2.

Posted by: Lisa | April 4, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or:

A. There are 5 players of value that far exceeds other players in the draft.

B. The team with the 6th selection is sitting on the great continental divide, where teams had determined they would not be willing to exchange a couple of draft picks for the #6.

C. Our beloved Skins have the which selection is it? Oh, yes, #6.

Posted by: Redskiin Ray | April 4, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Ray, if you are right that there are 5 players of superior value, one of these players could fall to the Redskins. Team with stellar front offices that draft well do not normally end up in the bottom 5.

Posted by: M | April 4, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Maybe its an embittered Chicago sportswriter's personal views, but this guy thinks that the antics of NEXT QUESTION! scared other teams away from Briggs -- confirming that the only one to suffer long term adverse consequences is likely to be Briggs (and not the Bears, Angelo, or NEXT QUESTION!).,1,6696573,print.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

OK, this is for my peeps.

Don't tell anyone I told you guys about it though. I already brought my tix for the 2nd game this morn. If you try this morn, you will likely not get the worst seats in the house......

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 4, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Given the continuing, and now perenniellly crappy seasons that the Lions and the Raiders suffer, I don't see why picking in the top five is all that good of a thing. You get a single great player (projected, unproven) who gobbles up a ton of cap space, and then hates playing for the team b/c the team still stinks. Not that all NFL players aren't overpaid, but the guys in the first round are WAY overpaid, esp. b/c its a crap shoot where many of them turn out to be busts. Kind of how huge law firms pay obsene money to the top candidates right out of law school ... how on this green earth does an unproven player warrant that kind of salary? This is part of Briggs' disgruntlement ... he's been a starter this whole time (essentially since being drafted) playing under the kind of contract money that a third rounder gets. (He was a third rounder).

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey M,
I sure you are correct.
It may be wishful thinking...

Then again, Tom Brady was drafted in Rd#6
Joe Montana in Rd #3
Lance Briggs was in Rd #3
Marques Colston the stud WR for New Orleans was drafted last year you guys remember where? In Rd #7!!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 4, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse


The key word is 'likely'. The problem as was stated earlier is that we could still get that itchy finger and add to the deal.


That is the only way to trade down, if one of them falls. Davis going after CJ could move Quinn out of the top 5. Also Peterson does have injury issues, so the browns may not take him, but I dont see them draft DE after Courtney Brown debacle. Maybe they take Quinn instead with Detriot taking Jmarc.

So it all lies in the hands of the Raiders. Also do not know what the Bucs would do then, probably Adams, but that is fine b/c as stated earlier we do not want another light bookend.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN's Scout's Inc Blog: Keith Kidd

Posted Tuesday, April 3rd

Re: Briggs deal


"Anything is possible at this time of year as it pertains to player movement and the NFL draft, and as such the Lance Briggs situation seems to be heating up in Chicago. Trade talks involving the disgruntled outside linebacker and a possible move to the Washington Redskins are still on the table and lately we've been hearing a lot about Briggs and his off-the-field situation, but what kind of player is he on the field? What is his impact on the Bears' defense? Let's take a look.

Briggs is overshadowed by Pro Bowl middle linebacker Brian Urlacher but has developed into an outstanding football player who finished second on the team with 134 total tackles. Briggs is a fast, explosive player who is very effective attacking downhill against the run. He has a very good knack for timing up blitzes and possesses the kind of closing speed that can create problems off zone dogs. Both Briggs and Urlacher play big roles in Chicago's attacking scheme.

When evaluating linebackers and projecting them to the NFL level, players at the weakside position must excel in space and Briggs certainly does that. He is a tremendously versatile, every-down player who excels in both regular and sub defensive packages.

Offensive systems are designed to create mismatches on the perimeter that can be exploited based on situational down-and-distance, but Briggs has the skill set to match up in open space in coverage and negate that kind of attack. He can be a physical presence over the tight end, has the athleticism to match up in man-to-man coverage and gets great depth on his zone drops. On top of all that, he is very physical against the run and a good open-field tackler.

The Bears finished last season as the fifth-best defensive unit in the NFL and created a league-leading 44 takeaways, and thanks to an outstanding group of young core players Briggs is in a position to take advantage of matchp opportunities and be highly productive within coach Lovie Smith's defensive schemes.

The Redskins, on the other hand, finished 31st in the NFL in total defense in 2006 thanks to a lack of playmakers. Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams relies on complex pressure schemes that rely on linebackers to react and play in space, but the supporting cast there would not put Briggs in the same kind of situation he is in with the Bears.

Briggs is a perfect fit in Chicago but would not have the same impact on the field in Washington. He is also an outstanding presence in the locker room and well-respected by his Bears teammates, adding yet another consideration to any possible deal. The Redskins would get a good young player but would struggle to get the same production and impact out of Briggs.

This will be interesting to watch as the draft approaches and could significantly affect the fortunes of both franchises heading into 2007."

Posted by: Rennypolis | April 4, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey DCsween,
I like what you posted!
That's why we trade down several picks to about #20 and we also receive two or three other selections.

For anyone interested here is RD #1 just three years ago. Now, which players have made an impact in this league? And which players have not?

Thanks everyone!

2004 NFL Draft Rd #1

1 San Diego Eli Manning QB Mississippi
2 Oakland Robert Gallery T Iowa
3 Arizona Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh
4 N.Y. Giants Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
5 Washington Sean Taylor FS Miami
6 Cleveland Kellen Winslow TE Miami
7 Detroit Roy Williams WR Texas
8 Atlanta DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech
9 Jacksonville Reggie Williams WR Washington
10 Houston Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
11 Pittsburgh Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami, O.
12 N.Y. Jets Jonathan Vilma MLB Miami
13 Buffalo Lee Evans WR Wisconsin
14 Chicago Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
15 Tampa Bay Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
16 Philadelphia Shawn Andrews G Arkansas
17 Denver D.J. Williams OLB Miami
18 New Orleans Will Smith DE Ohio State
19 Miami Vernon Carey T Miami
20 Minnesota Kenechi Udeze DE Southern California
21 New England Vince Wilfork NT Miami
22 Buffalo J.P. Losman QB Tulane
23 Seattle Marcus Tubbs DT Texas
24 St. Louis Steven Jackson RB Oregon State
25 Green Bay Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
26 Cincinnati Chris Perry RB Michigan
27 Houston Jason Babin DE Western Michigan
28 Carolina Chris Gamble CB Ohio State
29 Atlanta Michael Jenkins WR Ohio State
30 Detroit Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech
31 San Francisco Rashaun Woods WR Oklahoma State
32 New England Benjamin Watson TE Georgia

Posted by: Anonymous | April 4, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

not that it really matters a whole lot, I see I just forgot to include my name on my post of the 2004 draft and comments to DCsween.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 4, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

No name;

I counted this last week, 15 at most. 2005 only 7 are studs yet. Crapshoot indeed. College does not project to the pro's. Merriman was a DT/DE at UMD, and moved to OLB and blew up! Whether or not that was steriod based remains to be seen. But he has become what LaVar could not, the next killer LB since LT.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Ray, this illustrates my point clearly. On my quick scan (and admittedly, I don't know how Philly's guard or Miami's tackle have done), I see impact picks at 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 21, 24, and 32 (and with numbers 1 and 3, I take liberties on the term "impact").

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Said #3, meant #4. Larry Fitzgerald (#3) is an impact player. Rivers (#4) only makes the list b/c he starts now.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse


#3 - No, you are correct here, Fitzgerald is an impact player
#7 - Reggie Williams is an impact player, the only WR detriot got right.

I would add 10 and 18 to that as well.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Robert Gallery the overall #2 pick has certianly been an impact player.

Yea, right.

I agree DCsween, let's trade down.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 4, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

And based upon these numbers is why paying a rookie a boat load of money makes no sense.

The NFL will have to inact a rule eventually capping the pay a 1st year player can sign for.... or force it into 1 or 2 year contracts so that the player can play and then be re-eval'ed.

This would also make teams play younger players sooner than letting them develop, which is what the NFL wants. To get younger, fresher and faster. Soon enough retirement @ 30 will be more of the norm than the exception.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I wish I could retire at 30

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 4, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I 2nd That

Posted by: ES | April 4, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

nate, i'm trying to follow your footsteps brother.

Posted by: dealer | April 4, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or does it seem like New England has two first rounders every year...

Posted by: L'Ville Skins Fan | April 4, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

i love it when lisa uses the word "salivating", don't know why, just looks funny

Posted by: jwe | April 4, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

where is old school? he is one of the few of you idiots that knows what he is talking about.

Posted by: JohnQ | April 4, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree with Sween. I see that most of those picks in the 2004 first round are either starters or impact players.

Posted by: bornskinsfan | April 4, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse


I think 15 or so out of 32 being impact players is low.

The others might be starters, but should the first round not produce more impact players? Why then do they get all that money.

Historically drafts have less impact players, but that year was actually a good draft year. That is the point that it is a crapshoot and the money paid to them is outrageous.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The real value of the draft is latter on When your team finds a 5th round or latter who ends up going to pro bowls and being a force for like 5yrs+.

Sports is one big funnell you go from peewee/ little league where every body plays to jr high /high school (might get cut or ride the pine) to college where three three divisions to the pro's where there are only 1500+ jobs, so you start with like a million? and end up there, each level more and more can't, don't or won't cut it. 1st round in the draft lots hype and if 50 % of them end up being players its probbally high.

Posted by: Old School | April 4, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Old School;

That is essentially what I was stating. 2004 is actually high on impact players compared to other years.

That is why I see in the next CBA (anyone know when thaat is) or in some ammendment; the owners will look to the NFL for some insurance against busts i.e. A rookie contract cap of years or dollar figures or both. Or more of a performance based salary with acceleration clauses and the like.

Does anyone else see that happeneing? We already know how much teams invest in these players, and it is just going to get worse as the years roll on.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 4, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I've counted at least 13 pro bolwers from that first round so what the heck are you talking about. loser

Posted by: bornskinsfan | April 4, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

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