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Afternoon Practice Updates

We'll be tweeting from the 3 p.m. practice at Redskins Park, so keep refreshing the page.


 

By Cindy Boren  |  August 5, 2009; 3:00 PM ET
 
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fanatic, 2/5ths of the line has been replaced from opening day last year with younger and bigger guys...

we're what 6, 7 days into training camp...lets do this...before we throw the baby out with the bath water, lets see how they do in oh, I don't know a game or two, before passing judgement....maybe even let them play a pre-season game.....crazy, I know.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I guess that's the glass is half full way to look at it, the other side is 3/5ths didn't change and no legitimate backup plans we're put in to place behind that 3/5ths either. Also the two spots replace were LG which was arguably our best spot last year by a guy that was cut by Buffalo so who knows if that's an upgrade in play but should be in durability for sure and Jansen was replaced by the guy who couldn't beat him out last year....but he's certainly younger and hopefully has gotten better. But now instead of having Heyer (or god forbid even Jansen) to back up Samuels and the RT we have an out of position guard or a reclamation project that apparently couldn't block me. And behind Thomas who always gets injured we have Rhino (an apparent bust) or Bridges who might have to be playing tackle (something he's apparently not great at) like today. So yeah I guess we can wait and see....but that seems kinda like standing on the tracks hearing the whistle and rumble and waiting to see if its really a train coming...I don't understand why they are waiting to bring in at least one or two more competent bodies for the eventual injuries that are coming, how many times do they have to see it before they realize the chances of 5 olineman playing a full 16 game season together is slim, why not get some people in here and give them time to learn the system and get reps with your team?

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 5, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 5, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, I'm with you, let's get on the field a couple times before we can the whole season. Let's face it, this year has started better then last year when we lost 2 DE on the first day. I guess it must be something in the water in New England that enables us to maintain some sanity, at least before the season starts

Posted by: forever8-8 | August 5, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

All the little snakes go hiss, hiss, hiss
sneaky little love birds sneak a little kiss
all the little black bugs crawl among the weeds
all the little birdies go tweet, tweet, tweet

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

4st

Posted by: isnadd | August 5, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Obvious here to fill another prescription.

What really stands out to me this training camp is all of the blogging, tweeting, texting, and water cooler talk is really impacting what the media, team, and players are reacting too.

We're awesome, let's pat ourselves on the back!

Posted by: isnadd | August 5, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I am really amazed how many of you have jumped the shark already as regards to the OLine and the whole season in general....

Maybe this is good that the fans revolt (in general) so Dem Skinz can prove y'all wrong....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Rhino (an apparent bust)

fanatic, care to fill me in on how you know this to be true....again, step away from the ledge, let them play a game, or two, and then lets regroup...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Rhino (an apparent bust)

fanatic, care to fill me in on how you know this to be true....again, step away from the ledge, let them play a game, or two, and then lets regroup...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Twitter may be America's jump the shark moment?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

As a true testament to the independence of the RI community, I love how there are already 15 comments on a thread starter by Cindy that has NOTHING in it.

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

OK, nine comments, but I figured that I was posting late and that there would be another seven by the time my post appeared.

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Rhino (an apparent bust)

fanatic, care to fill me in on how you know this to be true....again, step away from the ledge, let them play a game, or two, and then lets regroup...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:14 PM

Chad Rinehart is a 3rd round pick who couldnt even play well enough to suit up on gameday last year. He wont be solid, let alone good this year.

It's not overeacting to say the oline is going to be terrible if you've watched this group over the years. It's just reality when the team pours it's resources into the defense while virtually ignoring last year's problem unit.

Mike Williams? Was that really supposed to be a solution? Come on

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Bean I'm with you as well. Too early to make a move. Let the preseason season progress. Give the younger players some reps. and hopefully Heyer gets back on the field sooner than later. There will be teams that will be in a position to make a trade, or a player could be picked up later.

Posted by: TWISI | August 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The O line should just fall on their sides each play and hope that the rushers trip over them. Best shot they have at blocking.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

August 5 3:21 ET

Upset about a missed assignment during a non contact 11-on-11 red zone drill, QB Jason Campbell showed some of the leadership qualities the team has needed. Campbell loudly clapped his hands together and started some chatter with his line.

From CBSSports twitter.

Posted by: TWISI | August 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I wish Dr Obvious worked in the Redskin's FO. Then we would have addressed the line problems a few years ago.

Posted by: mack1 | August 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

He wont be solid, let alone good this year

I'm fascinated at how you know this....could you perhaps provide me with the winning lottery numbers...I mean, your ability to see into the future and all....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

All the little birdies on Jaybird Street
Love to hear the robin go tweet tweet tweet

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, it takes 100,000,000,000,000 bonus points to actually receive a 30 minute pass to see into the future, and you don't get to pick the time period that you can view. You need additional bonus points for that

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

From the times:

Haynesworth lined up at RDE against LT Chris Samuels. The matchup was a draw

JohnD, I just so happen to have that many bonus points...suckers are like rabbits....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

All the (new) twitter updates are on this link

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/-multitweetusers-redskinsinsid.html

See you there...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Is everyone enjoying these up to the minute tweets?

Posted by: forever8-8 | August 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Damn Greg - can you invest them?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the weird arrow at the tippy top of the page I am guessing the HTML was put up wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I was just thinking about how this time last year a few on this board almost jumped off a cliff after losing two D linemen and then didn't allow JT to touch his zipper all pre-season.

Maybe we 'go with the guys we've got'.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

dam you matt and your logic.....dam you straight to hades......stop USING LOGIC....we want KNEE-JERK reactions, and overpaying in draft picks in order to make trades....don't you GET IT??????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

My bad.

*dropping and doing 50 push-ups*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

August 5 3:21 ET

Upset about a missed assignment during a non contact 11-on-11 red zone drill, QB Jason Campbell showed some of the leadership qualities the team has needed. Campbell loudly clapped his hands together and started some chatter with his line.

From CBSSports twitter.

Posted by: TWISI | August 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

He applauded them?

Posted by: ga8085 | August 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Beantown and Matt, I guess it is just us fans willing to wait it out currently maning on the blog. I guess all the doom and gloomers are following every tweet on the edge of their seat hoping for that all-pro RT to sign.

Posted by: forever8-8 | August 5, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

As a true testament to the independence of the RI community, I love how there are already 15 comments on a thread starter by Cindy that has NOTHING in it.

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 3:18 PM

Meta conversation > Minutiae of tweets

Posted by: 4-12 | August 5, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Independence, sween, or pure, mindless hamsterism?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I just so happen to have that many bonus points...suckers are like rabbits....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:33 PM

AIG and Fannie Mae had that many bonus points and they got a government bailout. You got nothing, boy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 5, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

pure, mindless hamsterism?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 3:48 PM

speaking of which, anybody seen my bowl of kibbles lately?

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Action packed twittering.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I believe the term is 'twit-riffic'....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Action packed twittering.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 3:55 PM

Best tweeting of the week. I think that they;re paying those guys by the tweet, and now they've started deducting for mindless empty tweets so they're afraid to do anything. No tweets is good tweets.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 5, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The tweets are on the main page of the blog under this post.

Posted by: TWISI | August 5, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

But, we are all boycotting tweets - we're letting all the other kids check out the tweets while we stay in the classroom and cut up.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

New Tidbits from O'Halloran...

Redskins practice report: Wednesday morning By Ryan O'Halloran on Aug. 5, 2009
Redskins 360


There was plenty of news -- and a little practice -- this morning at Redskin Park. The Redskins went two hours in full pads.

* WR D.J. Hackett and DL Michael Marquardt were signed, taking the roster spots vacted by DL Vaka Manupuna (cut Tuesday) and WR Roydell Williams (cut this morning). Hackett was in Seattle with coach Jim Zorn and tried out for the Redskins this spring. He has 118 career catches and nine touchdowns. He last played for Carolina. Marquardt played at Arizona State and spent last year on the Philadelphia practice squad.

* Injuries on offense: WR Devin Thomas (hamstring), WR Malcolm Kelly (hamstring), FB Eddie Williams (hamstring) and OL Randy Thomas (knee), Stephon Heyer (knee), Rueben Riley (ankle) and Casey Rabach (calf).

* Injuries on defense: DT Anthony Montgomery (knee), CB Carlos Rogers (calf), DL J.D. Skolnitsky (hamstring).

* Offensive line coach Joe Bugel said all of the OL injuries are minor but he is concerned about the long-term availbility of Randy Thomas, who is coming off neck and knee surgeries.

* Both Devin Thomas and Kelly said they will practice Thursday.

To the practice highlights ...

* The entire offense ran four 50-yard sprints after practice after a sloppy workout lowlighted by a few false starts. Coach Jim Zorn said he didn't order the extra running, the players did it on their own.

* The safeties continue to do an eye-hand coordinator drill with a baseball.

* Hackett beat Fred Smoot on a go pattern down the hashmark and caught a touchdown pass.

* WR Santana Moss owned CB Kevin Barnes during the 11 vs. 11 and 7 vs. 7 plays. Moss caught a deep corner route from Jason Campbell, a red zone TD from Colt Brennan and several other catches.

* During a blitz drill, CB DeAngelo Hall rushed ... and nobody picked him up.

* The offense scored from the 5-yard line when Campbell, in the shotgun, gave Clinton Portis a shovel pass.

* A scary moment came in the middle of the field when C Edwin Williams got tangled up and fell into a pile with Cornelius Griffin and Albert Haynesworth.

* Haynesworth lined up at RDE against LT Chris Samuels. The matchup was a draw.

* The Redskins are back on the field at 3 p.m.

- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Big picture for a second:

Even given the O-line uncertainty, Zorn (and I begrudgingly have to give Snidely and Cerrato dap by association) has quietly made the team younger and deeper this offseason.

Would Gibbs have given Washington, Evans, Springs, Kendall, and Jansen their walking papers?

Even if Snidely insists on overspending on the likes of Haynesworth, at least Zorn is making some decisions that will improve the fiscal outlook down the road.

If it's true that Cowher or Shanahan are coming next year, they will inherit a much improved team than Zorn did, IMO.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 5, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-08-05/handicapping-wide-open-nfc-race

TOP 12 NFC Contenders according to Florio of PFT.

The Skins are listed at 5, first Wild Card.

Posted by: skins1110 | August 5, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | August 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Randy Thomas is the one I'd worry about. I cringe whenever he takes the field. Bridges could wind up starting there.

I hate to say it, but rather than suffer the emotional pain inflicted by Vinny Cerrato, maybe the guys who are obsessing about right tackle should just go ahead and jump... tombstones could rea, "he saw it coming, but nobody listened."

I'd miss ya, but we all have to make some sacrifices...

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

New Tidbits from O'Halloran...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 4:04 PM |

Good info. Thanks.

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-08-05/handicapping-wide-open-nfc-race

TOP 12 NFC Contenders according to Florio of PFT.

The Skins are listed at 5, first Wild Card.

Posted by: skins1110


--------------

Hmmmm, seems like I'm not the only one who views the Eagles as the single most overrated team in the NFL. Florio has them as the 12th best team in the NFC. Philly is falling. Hard.

Posted by: psps23 | August 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

How does anyone know Rinehart wont be solid let alone good? Well gee, he sucked last year and is described as overwhelmed and lacking confidence thus far in camp.

It's not rocket science.

Dockery is an upgrade. Everyone else is a year older and coming off injuries. You get what you pay for, and we decided to build our oline through the waiver wire and jenny craig customers rather than the draft and $$ FA signings.

Oline will be below nfl average, dline amongst best in the league. Hello 13-9 squeakers

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

described as overwhelmed and lacking confidence thus far in camp.


Where...where was this reported...cuz I smell a LAD....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sweet post, Samson. "I'd miss ya, but..." Hook that boy up to the lie detector.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if we could possibly get Pete Kendall back as a backup...he would be ideal behind both our starting guards...

Posted by: merajc86 | August 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if we could possibly get Pete Kendall back as a backup...he would be ideal behind both our starting guards...

Posted by: merajc86 | August 5, 2009 4:26 PM |

Sure we could. One phone call and a vet. min. contract. Done.

But, if you want to "get younger" then you wait to see if the young guys are working out. Kendall will still be available when you decide they can't do it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 5, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

described as overwhelmed and lacking confidence thus far in camp.


Where...where was this reported...cuz I smell a LAD....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, I thought he supposedly improving, and when Buges was asked if Reinhart was needed to start, he said he would be fine with that. Compared to the end of the season last year when Buges basically called him a waste, I would say he has improved.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 5, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

...before we throw the baby out with the bath water, lets see how they do in ... a pre-season game.....crazy, I know.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Tell you what, I'll let them play THREE pre-season games--against the Ravens, Pittsburgh, and New England. If they are still standing, and if Campbell and Portis aren't in intensive care by then--I'll call it a moral victory.

Working against tough opponents on D isn't necessarily a BAD thing for an Oline, but this year the 'skins have had too much, too early of it.


The result is they are getting beat up, dinged, and unable to practiice cohesion as a unit.

And that's a BAD thing.

Posted by: TheCork | August 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

i want young LEGIT depth...not undrafted rookies and a bum third rounder...if we can't do those then lets get a guy who alreayd knows our system and would seamlessly fit in.

Posted by: merajc86 | August 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth lined up at RDE against LT Chris Samuels. The matchup was a draw.

Does this mean Samuels is washed up? Or is Haynesworth a bust? I can't decide anymore.

Posted by: mack1 | August 5, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Beantown and TWISI,

The OLine sucks.

This is not ledge-dangling talk from nay-sayers. They sucked last year. Most all of them are back. (You can say that 2/5ths are new, but this is misleading since one of those guys played/practiced with the team last year. He's not learning anything new.)

Now they suck in camp.

Can they get better? Maybe. Anything is possible, but the burden is entirely on them; and so far the only thing that's been expressed in their defense is "it's early".

Fine. They suck early. Call them out and ride them "early" so that "later" they'll be better.

Truth be told, it should be the defense that is having a tough time "early". We are bringing in more new players on D than on the offense - working in AH, Orakpo, Jarmon, Chris Wilson is learning a new position, Daniels missed last year and is working back in.

If anyone should be struggling with "early" lapses and "information overload", you'd think it would be our new-look defense and not the offense (which is the same as last year except for Dockery).

Posted by: p1funk | August 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Working against tough opponents on D isn't necessarily a BAD thing for an Oline, but this year the 'skins have had too much, too early of it.

Posted by: TheCork | August 5, 2009 4:31 PM

Not a problem. First team O against the second team D.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Truth be told, it should be the defense that is having a tough time "early"

General rule of thumb in the NFL is that the defense is usually ahead of the offense at the start of training camp...but don't let that get in the way of you trying to make a point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

From the Times, thoughts and prayers for Sherm Smith, and his family:

"Zorn said a team prayer after practice for offensive coordinator Sherman Smith, whose father died this week after a lenghty illness. Smith missed practice today and yesterday but is expected to be back Thursday"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

'As for second-year guard/tackle Chad Rinehart, well, he seems to be a really nice kid as well. Third-round picks are supposed to contribute, and Rinehart performed poorly in the preseason last year and lost his confidence.'

My sincerest apologies, that comment was about last year's camp. Surely this really nice kid will now step up and be the guy we need. Yes, that's how it usually works in the NFL, guys who cant even make the game day roster in year1 can suddenly block demarcus ware and mathias kiwanuke in year2.

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The result is they are getting beat up, dinged, and unable to practiice cohesion as a unit.

And that's a BAD thing.

Posted by: TheCork | August 5, 2009 4:31 PM |

So you want the kid gloves, the unit cohesion and then get beat up at the beginning of the season? Say one thing though, the cohesion practive will serve them well when they are all huddling together in the IR ward.

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Truth be told, ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:40 PM

I'm uncertain whether he can be told anything. That would require addressing him in the second person, which offends him deeply.

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see some more definitive info on Rinehart, havent really heard if he sucks or he is getting better or if he likes drinking, very little info on him, which leads me to believe he is not a real contributor???

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

General rule of thumb in the NFL is that the defense is usually ahead of the offense at the start of training camp...but don't let that get in the way of you trying to make a point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:40 PM

General rule of thumb on RI is that it doesn't matter who's ahead because we're on-the-ledge nervous about who's behind. And if they're both equal, then we're frantic about both of them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

divi, thanks for coming clean and admitting you don't know what you're talking about....do you have anything that was said about Rhinehardt from this years camp so far, or are you just ignoring that because it goes contrary to the incorrect point you're trying to make??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Lieutenant Commander Obvious Rehash reports:

The fact that we've been having the o-line discussion/debate/shout fest for a solid 2 years and then fairly regularly before that says something (and not just that the RI hamster enjoy beating a dead horse into a fine pulp.)

Was this a discussion we would have had this intensely with the Hogs? (Well some of us yes probably but you get my point.) Are teams with decent or above average o-lines having this discussion as intensely as we are? I doubt it.

We've been talking about age and injury prone players on this o-line whom we love and who have great heart for years. The problem has only been exacerbated by a lack of depth which given the injury prone status of Randy Thomas alone is a cause for concern.

How can Soups be truly and fairly evaluated if his o-line consistently puts him in jeopardy? Can a yong QB really develop well particularly mentally if he spends too much of his time dodging and weaving? I don't know, I'm guessing though if you go back and look at the emergence of Brady or Manning or Favre they had a solid o-line that helped them along.

They say "Offense wins games. Defense wins championships." Well our offense hasn't been winning enough games to ensure that our defense even has a shot.

Oh blah blah blah blah blah I'll stop restating the obvious for the 1 millionth time for now.

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Hmmmm, seems like I'm not the only one who views the Eagles as the single most overrated team in the NFL. Florio has them as the 12th best team in the NFC. Philly is falling. Hard. Posted by: psps23"

I honestly can't tell. They were up and down like a yo-yo last season, getting hot at exactly the right time, and they arguably should have wound up in Arizona's place in the Super Bowl. They also looked wretched against the Skins defense. They've brought in a bunch of new players who may or may not pan out, and they've already lost their MLB for the season.

Andy Reid is a heck of a coach, and he's expert at preparing chicken salad. My best guess is they're up and down like last year. If they get hot at the right time, then maybe. If they don't...

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Pete Kendall old as f*ck

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 5, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see some more definitive info on Rinehart, havent really heard if he sucks or he is getting better or if he likes drinking, very little info on him, which leads me to believe he is not a real contributor???

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 5, 2009 4:57 PM |

OL is like plumbing. The less you hear or know about it, the better job it is doing.

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell takes charge

Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2009 4:12 PM ET
As he commences a season that was preceded by multiple attempts to bring in the man who would replace him, Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell is embracing his role as a team leader.

We're told that he's taking charge like never before in practice, yelling at teammates and grabbing them in the huddle, when the need arises.

And his attitude came through when Campbell spoke to the media on Wednesday.

"We all have to be focused," he said. "Being a leader of a football team, practice goes the way you come out here and participate. You play upbeat. I'm coming out here, we're having fun and guys are paying attention to detail. Of course we make mistakes out here at the same time, but there are things you do to correct it. It's all about how you bounce back and continue to move forward."

Campbell also has landed on the cover of the training-camp edition Sports Illustrated, next to the caption "Pressure Points And Pivotal Players."

In the last year of his rookie contract, Campbell is definitely under pressure. But he's also going to be pivotal to the Redskins' chances in 2009. (Maybe that's why they put his picture next to those words.)

So in a conference that's flatter than a runny pancake, we think the Redskins' chances are better than most people realize, as pointed out in our latest offering for SportingNews.com.

FROM PFT

Posted by: skins1110 | August 5, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And now for something totally different . . .

I read Toobin's The Nine about the US Supreme Court and apparently Justice Clarence Thomas is a huge Cowpaddies fan. Just another reason to really really dislike that guy.

I'm also very much NOT looking forward to the media pukefest that will surround the new Cowpaddies stadium.

It will be extremely unbelievably THE BEST if we went in there won our first game November 22nd babeee!!

HTTR!

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Pete Kendall old as f*ck

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 5, 2009 5:02 PM |

I believe the xpression is "old as d*rt" or "old as the h*lls".

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

General rule of thumb in the NFL is that the defense is usually ahead of the offense at the start of training camp...but don't let that get in the way of you trying to make a point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse


Is it "generally true" that veterans and hold-overs should struggle with "information overload" more than rookies and new players?

But don't let my actual point get in the way of yours.

Posted by: p1funk | August 5, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

sfskin: "How can Soups be truly and fairly evaluated if his o-line consistently puts him in jeopardy? Can a yong QB really develop well particularly mentally if he spends too much of his time dodging and weaving? I don't know, I'm guessing though if you go back and look at the emergence of Brady or Manning or Favre they had a solid o-line that helped them along."

Certainly a great offensive line is an asset for any team, but Jason Campbell held the ball too long last season. Zorn pointed this out repeatedly. It's the same problem that Ben Roethlisberger had, but for a different reason. Still, Jason made so few mistakes -- only 6 INTs, for Pete's sake, though he threw the ball a lot -- that it didn't hurt the team much. Not as much as, say, Jay Cutler's interceptions at Denver, which put great pressure on a faltering defense.

Jason gets some credit for that defense ranking so high. He wasn't continually leaving them in bad field position. On the other hand, he didn't throw TD passes, either, which meant the defense was in a bunch of close games and IMO the running game had to work harder than usual.

Campbell's NFL experience hasn't been anything like David Carr's, or what Doug Williams and Vinny Testaverde went through as rookies. He hasn't been beaten out of shape. He's even developed a knack for picking up first downs by running when opportunity knocks.

This is his year, and he knows it. Zorn's too, and he knows it as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Skins bloggers need a shrink, you guys need to understand
that our defense knows the offensive plays before practice, and it is their job to expose the weakness in our offense before preseason. Plus, you guys have to realise that having Orakpo and Haynesworth bulldozing this line on a daily basis
is quite a difficult task, our offensive line will not deal with such display of speed and power on 16 Sundays, how many offensive lines can contain such brutal encounter on a daily basis in the NFL? Haynesworth is not worth $100M if he is not that good, as apparent in the mayhem he unleash everyday since the embarrasment by Clinton Portis on the first day of camp. Can you guys just think for a minute? If our offensive line is destroying our defensive line, how would you guys interprete that? Joe knows his crew, he's paid to do a job, let him.

Posted by: abxinc | August 5, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"We're told that he's taking charge like never before in practice, yelling at teammates and grabbing them in the huddle, when the need arises."

Smart move by the FO. Embarrass the dude to bring out the inner tiger.

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 5, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Samson - I absolutely agree with your take on Soups. It's been as much on him as anyone else and this year is his to show that he can rise above a mediocre o-line and play.

I guess I'm really thinking more in terms of psychologically. I wonder if there is a nagging little voice in the back of his head that tells him the o-line is shaky that he simply can't shut out and that contributes to poor decision making etc.

Of course the great ones overcome this kind of thing so yeah he needs to as well.
The Gloomy Gus in me though has the occaisonal shuddering dream where we let him go and he signs with another team that has a very good o-line and he shines. . . . bad thoughts go away. . .

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday PM practice report By Ryan O'Halloran on Aug. 5, 2009
Redskins 360

The Redskins went through a 64-minute workout this afternoon in shorts and shells. Before getting to some of the practice highlights, the latest injury report.

*Offense injuries: WR Devin Thomas (hamstring), WR Malcolm Kelly (hamsgtring), FB Eddie Williams (hamstring), G Reuben Riley (ankle), RT Mike Williams (groin) and RG Randy Thomas (knee) did not practice. LT Chris Samuels did not do much of anything and had ice applied to both of his knees.

C Casey Rabach (calf) returned after missing most of the morning session.

Judging by what the players were doing on a side field, Kelly's injury appears less serious than Thomas'. Kelly was doing short sprints and after practice, ran routes and caught passes from all four quarterbacks. Thomas was limited to light jogging.

*Defense injuries: CB Carlos Rogers (calf), LB Alfred Fincher (unknown because Jim Zorn didn't speak afterward), DT Lorenzo Alexander (ditto), DT Anthony Montgomery (knee) and DL J.D. Skolnitsky (hamstring). DL Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin and Albert Haynesworth did individual drills before moving to agility on a side field -- that was as scheduled.

*Zorn said a team prayer after practice for offensive coordinator Sherman Smith, whose father died this week after a lenghty illness. Smith missed practice today and yesterday but is expected to be back Thursday.

*The fast-paced practice jumped right into red zone offense, where Jason Campbell was really sharp in connecting with Chris Cooley a few times in the end zone.

*S Reed Doughty had two pass break-ups.

*The special teams debuted the "Scoop & Score" drill where the player rushes the punter, knocks the ball out of his hands and then tries to scoop and score.

*Newcomers D.J. Hackett and Michael Marquardt went through both practices in their first days with the team. The Redskins' roster is back at 80 players.

*Two practices tomorrow: 8:30 a.m. (open) and 3 p.m. (closed).

-- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

On the cowboys new stadium...how about $90 for a cheese pizza?

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009/aug/05/cowboys-stadium-luxury-suites-selling-90-pizzas/

Posted by: 4-12 | August 5, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Can you guys just think for a minute?

Posted by: abxinc | August 5, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Ah thinking . . . yes that is strongly discouraged up in here.

RI is our 'couch' - please forgive some of the inanity and insanity but we blather and freak out because we care so much. . . or is too much?

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - thanks for link.

WOW is all I can say. $66 for 12 pack of beer and betting it's total crap beer.

Must be nice to have money.

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hate to see this, but one vistor from Washington ran into a bit of trouble on November 22nd in Dallas 46 years ago.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hate to see this, but one vistor from Washington ran into a bit of trouble on November 22nd in Dallas 46 years ago.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

LOL - that is just wrong. Plus he was from Massachusetts technically.

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

As always, I don't do the maths, but I think beer at fedex works out to more than $66 for a 12-pack.

Oh, we've been beep beeped....

Posted by: 4-12 | August 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1,

One thing i know about him is his name is Rinehart.

Another I know is Buges called him a waste last year, and didnt mention him today during the rah-rah for the oline session. Why would that be? Because he's playing so well?

yeah, surely we'll be fine pinning our season on his performance along with that of the weight watchers spokesman

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm about to get electronic tomatoes thrown at me but is anyone going to the DC United v. Real Madrid soccer match Sunday at FedEx?
Been watching some of the matches on TeeVee and there has been some amazing soccah. . . .

[Please insert middle school insults about soccer here but try to be original.]

Posted by: sfskin | August 5, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, sfskin, that was wrong - But, I do share your hopes that the 'Skins go down there and christian the new stadium in the right way.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 5, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Would much rather get real posts than this asinine Twitter nonsense, but I'll take any update I can get.

Regarding the LaVar "tweet," I loved that guy as a player, but to say that he has an axe to grind is an understatement. Totally unreliable as a source I'm sorry to say.

Posted by: drischord | August 5, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Ah its good to be back and see Beantown fighting logic with his burgundy and gold colored glasses where everything in Redskins land is wonderful despite the oline that is "2/5ths" new not being able to practice together and there being no depth behind the already injured starters. But don't tell him things are scary, Cerrato is a genius and our band of undrafted free agents and guys that have never played any significant professional football behind our old injury prone starters are all diamonds in the rough and the saviors of our seasons just like the last 10 years of Snyder's guidance has produced solid decision making and consistent quality on the field......just wait and see.....(that phrase will be on his tombstone btw)

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 5, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and there are lots of complaint tweets from O-Linemen who describe Campbell as "Constantly yelling at me, grabbing our face masks, and yanking us around by our jerseys every 45 seconds... [sic] and we all know it's so he can look like Snyder's new Fuhrer...

"He doesn't even have anything to yell about - he just grabbed my face mask, yelled "Blah blah blah, you dingbat, I wish I had a dollar for every one of your screw-ups! Now, get your flabby belly on the field and give me 20!" Which I didn't do, because I had just come in to spell Dockery - - It wasn't my bad at ALL!"

Then, there's THIS tweet from Chad Rhinehart who ALSO complains about Campbell's "New Leadership Attitude," commonly referred to by the "Dirt Bags" as "NLA.":

"Yeah, so I'm lined up against Haynesworth, snap count on 2, Campbell stops on 1, steps over to me, kicks me in the a$$, and lays into me for Nothin!"

"You sad sack of crap," he yells at me, "you cost us a good 3 games last year by being a waste of a pick, by losing your confidence, and by not contributing"

"This year, nobody wants you here, we hope you fail, and you suck."

Then, he goes back under center and says, "hut two," at which point everyone runs the play, except me, because I forgot what it was, and Haynesworth picks me up with one arm drop kicks me through the goal posts. It really sucked. Then, all the fans cheered when Campbell came over to me AFTER the play to light into me some more to show everyone what a great NLA he has this year.

Camp sucks.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 6, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

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