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Albert Haynesworth, 3-4 scheme likely will remain at odds

In email I've received recently, several Insider readers have asked my opinion about whether the Redskins could do anything to change Albert Haynesworth's mind regarding their 3-4 defense and his role in the scheme.

Based on my conversations with people close to Haynesworth, the only thing that would change the all-pro's position, at this point, is if the Redskins said they would stick with a 4-3 scheme and permit him to attack the quarterback as he pleases. But the Redskins plan to use Haynesworth as a space-eating nose tackle, two people familiar with the situation said, meaning he would primarily be responsible for occupying multiple blockers.

In such a role, Haynesworth wouldn't make many big plays, which is what he enjoys most, but he would open lanes for linebackers to make plays behind him. Haynesworth wants to have the type of freedom he enjoyed in the Tennessee Titans' system, and that's not the way the Redskins plan to use him, so I don't see room for a compromise. And Coach Mike Shanahan isn't one to have players dictate how they should be used, from what I've been told.


I've also been asked why the Redskins have not fined Haynesworth for missing the first two voluntary camps. Under the rules of the collective bargaining agreement, the Redskins can't fine players for skipping voluntary offseason activities such as minicamps and workouts.

It's common knowledge among NFL players that they must participate in voluntary offseason activities if they want to remain in good standing with their teams. Haynesworth still hopes to be traded, sources said, so he's not concerned with his standing at Redskins Park.

And lastly, some readers want to know whether Haynesworth, assuming he is on the roster to start the season, will have enough time to learn the new defense with all the sessions he is missing. As far as that one goes, I really don't know. Haynesworth is a smart player, several of his former coaches have told me, and he's a quick study. He does not plan to give the Redskins legitimate reasons to fine him or take other forms of disciplinary action against him, so he'll attend the mandatory minicamp in June and training camp in late July. Then we'll see if he has enough time to get ready.

By Jason Reid  |  May 7, 2010; 4:32 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Jason Reid  
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Posted by: SkinsFan301 | May 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Please keep us updated on Haynesworth every chance you get. It will be extremely important if you have any news to report about him. What did he have for breakfast this morning? How is his new boat working out for him?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 7, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

so on offense, we play to the strengths of our players (for example, two-tight end sets if a third receiver isn't available)...but on defense, we play the scheme. makes sense, i guess.

Posted by: fawcett007 | May 7, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

YES!!! MOAR HAYNESWORTH NEWS!!!

Posted by: Terry_Allen | May 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jtrob_1 | May 7, 2010 4:10 PM

What does draft position have to do with where someone is lined up? If the skins were somehow able to obtain J.Brown or Gaither they would be fools not to move Williams to the other side. Considering Williams' LT experience is limited that would actually be ideal. Probably wont happen, but I can imagine McNabb isn't excited about Hicks and Williams as his protection on the end.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

So sick of Haynesworth updates with nothing new in them. Why do you continue to pick at this scab?

Enough already!

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Whoever is emailing JReid asking about Haynesworth needs to go in to a closet and die

Posted by: prc805 | May 7, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This is like signing TO in his prime after promising him he'll be our primary down field threat, then announcing that we're only gonna use him on running downs - primarily as an extra blocker - and the calling him a cancer and saying he's not a "team player" if he complains.

What a bunch of crap.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Why do you continue to pick at this scab?

Enough already!

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 4:52 PM

I think that, as an "insider", that's all he's got -- "sources close to Haynesworth." May actually be Haynesworth, himself.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 7, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"This is like signing TO in his prime after promising him he'll be our primary down field threat, then announcing that we're only gonna use him on running downs - primarily as an extra blocker - and the calling him a cancer and saying he's not a "team player" if he complains.

What a bunch of crap.

Posted by: edvar"

That's a ridiculously awful analogy.

A better one would be if you signed TO at a time when you run a pass-heavy spread offense, then change your coordinator/scheme to a run-heavy playaction system, and TO complains because 'he's not getting the ball enough.'

People that act like Haynesworth is simply being asked to stand there as a NT are entirely naive about what the position entails.

Posted by: psps23 | May 7, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I gather the mayor will keep talking about Haynesworth until he shows up at the mandatory mini-camp in June...

He's a big guy -- I wouldn't want to piss him off all Spring -- then risk getting cornered by him in the Summer.

Aren't there any other player stories or position battles to write about?

Posted by: siris | May 7, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Little Lord Fatsworth, what a joke. We should have just bought a bunch of jelly beans and filled up the Potomac with them.

I would say all of this to his face too . . . because I am fairly sure that I can outrun the bugger.

Posted by: Corvis777 | May 7, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Whoever is emailing JReid asking about Haynesworth needs to go in to a closet and die

Posted by: prc805 | May 7, 2010 4:57 PM |

JLa - They both have their integrity on the line that it was for sure a done deal. It has to happen so they can both say they were right all the time.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I dont know what is worse JR reporting nothing or haynesworth thinking he gets to choose what defense he plays in after being paid 32 of 40 mil guaranteed money. When I give you 32 million, If I ask you to play in a 1-7 thats what you play buddy. Is this news? When its not new then its olds. Like I said the other day, and I am being just a redundant as JR's insider articles are becomming, Please stop forcing JR to right a report every day of the week because he does not have enough material to keep us interested. Let us know when Haynesworth farts and scratches his balls JR. We need to know that.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, Haynesworth is not that smart.

If he was he would realize that to maximize his value and facilitate a trade he needs to come in and be a 'good soldier' through the summer and camp and show himself to be in good shape.

Then the Resdkins can look to deal him and get some value in return.

As long as he stays away and causes problems for the new staff other teams are going to discount his value as they believe the Redskins are dealing from a point of desperation.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"That's a ridiculously awful analogy."

Apparently, you missed my point...

1. When he was an FA, he told his agent to strike all 3-4 teams off the list.

2. He was offered more money elsewhere, but was promised he would play a central role in our D attacking upfield, not as a "gap control" player.

3. We paid him more money than any other defensive player in the game because he is one of the most dominant players on the field, so it would figure that you would try to use him in ways that allow him to dominate like he did when he was on the Titans - you know, attacking upfield.

4. We then assign him to gap control responsibilities.

5. ...And then next year, we switch to a 3-4.

I don't know... if I just dropped 30+ million over two years on a guy like Haynesworth, I think I'd make sure the guys who run the D make the best use of his talents. I seriously doubt I would instruct them to antagonize him and go against everything we promissed him just to show the other players who is in charge. That's called "Biting off you nose to spite your face."

You see? That's stupid.

Are they trying to say we can't get turn overs with an aggressive 4-3 D, like the one we are staffed for? Don' waste our time pointing to last years turn-over stats. Blatche's D was the reflection of a tired old man who was ready to hang it up.

We've got the guy, we should be trying to get the most out of him instead of worrying about who's got the biggest d!ck.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

(1) Phillips Daniels is recovering from an ingrown toenail, but is excited about season.

(2) Two sources close to the situation say Haynesworth is not happy.

Get used to those kinds of headlines on "Redskins Insider" for the next five weeks. Mr. Reid is back from vacation.

Posted by: Carl739 | May 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth wants to have the type of freedom he enjoyed in the Tennessee Titans' system,..."


Freedom?

A man who just cashed his $21 million check, now says he wants 'Freedom'.

They could paint my black azz up as a minstrel and coach me to say, "Yazzuh, boss!" for 21 million.

Obviously, I have no shame or self-respect.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 7, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

so on offense, we play to the strengths of our players (for example, two-tight end sets if a third receiver isn't available)...but on defense, we play the scheme. makes sense, i guess.

Posted by: fawcett007 PM

you play to the strengths of your personnel on offense and on defense. you also put your best players on the field. the two are not necessarily opposed.

haynesworth prefers to play in a 4-3 because he gets no glory in the 3-4. he still gets on the field because he's one of the best players. i have no doubts that he can excel in either system if he sets his mind to it.


Posted by: zatoichi77 | May 7, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I believe that it was reported that the trining room was so small that everyone was bumping into each other. With all the newbies in there, it's going to be a line around the building. I believe that AH would be there if he had faith in the training facility.

How many other vets aren't at this voluntary (wink, wink) camp?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 7, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The NBA is dead...long live the NBA?

Quick: without googling it, list the teams still alive in the NBA Playoffs.

I can't.

The NBA is dead.

Long live the NBA.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 7, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Why do you continue to pick at this scab?"

That's what the Leper said.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"When I give you 32 million, If I ask you to play in a 1-7 thats what you play buddy."

Posted by: ged0386 | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM

+++

Again, try to get the facts straight.

If that's the D you said you were going to run if he signed - and he agreed, then OK. But if you promised him an attacking role so that he wouldn't sign with another team that was offering more money, and then pulled the rug out from under him, than that's a little different, I'd say.

It's not like he's some 1st round Diva who has never played a down yet and is holding out for crazy money and trying to dictate the D. He has already proven himself on the field and was widely recognized as one of the elite athletes on the D side. We offered him the big money because we wanted him to play for us, and promised him during the negotiations what his role would be.

He is NOT just some dumb employee who is over stepping. He is an elite, dominant player who was lied to and is being asked to play in a system he would have certainly turned down during negotiations.

Imagine if it were the opposite. Imagine if we played a 3-4 and he signed with us for the monster money saying "yeah, I'm cool with playing 3-4." and then changed his mind and said he doesn't want to play in that scheme. We'd all be yelling about how he went back on his word.

Well, that's what WE did to him.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, I have no shame or self-respect.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Or $21million

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 7, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Why do you continue to pick at this scab?"

That's what the Leper said.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 7, 2010 5:36 PM |

I was wondering when someone was gonna hit that... : )

Hey Moe -

"They could paint my black azz up as a minstrel and coach me to say, "Yazzuh, boss!" for 21 million."

If that's what they promised up front to get you to sign and you agreed to it, then knock yourself out. But if they promised you an impressive role in a porn film and instead did this... Oh, never mind.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Do people really email asking about Haynesworth? That sounds as ludicrous to me as "I'm retiring" from Favre.

Posted by: Keiser | May 7, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Man I dunno how I made it all three days JR was in LA without my Haynesworth fix.

*snnniiiiiffff* ..... uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 7, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I am actually in the minority that think there is a good amount of truth to this spat, but my lord who is actually emailing Jreid questions about this?? What the 582 post of the same info aren't enough?

Posted by: chrislarry | May 7, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Or $21million

Posted by: zcezcest1

I actually edited out that line.

I thought it might be funnier if the sentence pattern made a person think what I didn't write.

Hearing the comment as a thought that comes as a result of what's written sometimes is what makes something funny.

Not that I ever wrote anything that was funny.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 7, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh I get it now. "Beat Writer" - as in what you're doing to this dead horse. Nice.

Posted by: MadeRED | May 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

His happiness is HIS problem; He wasn't paid to be Happy, he was paid to PLAY. See, if this was the days when a guy had to get an offseason job to make ends meet to feed his family, his fatass would be overjoyed. Sam Huff would have played Offense, Defense, Special Teams and sold cotton candy and crackerjack at halftime for that cake Butterworth got. Dude lacks character, plain and simple. He's a lazy fatass and should go join JaMarcus on the professional eating tour...they can eat their fatasses across America with Guy Fieri hosting

Posted by: kahlua87 | May 7, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"I am actually in the minority that think there is a good amount of truth to this spat..."


Maybe somebody is.

It ain't me.

But we really win out if Prince Al comes to camp in shape and has a dominant season.

He'll get the value we want next Spring after a Pro Bowl-type season.

If I'm Shanallen, I let Al do whatever he wants, cross my fingers, and hope he dazzles next Fall.

Then, you can trade him for high picks for a draft 2011 where you have to replace the picks used to acquire McNabb.

Imagine if we go into that draft with an additional 1st and 2nd rounder for Al?

That opens up all kinds of doors and options.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

News about Haynesworth is like seeing used toilet paper in a porta john. Disgusting. Stop it already. He's getting traded anyway.

Posted by: getitritegov | May 7, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Albert this and Haynesworth that and the money he this. the money his not yours and I could care a rat tail how he or any one feel about him or the people feel about his. All I care about is a 14 and 2 season, sweep the Cowgirls and a superbowl game or the championship by the Skins. that it

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | May 7, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Albert this and Haynesworth that and the money he this. the money his not yours and I could care a rat tail how he or any one feel about him or the people feel about his. All I care about is a 14 and 2 season, sweep the Cowgirls and a superbowl game or the championship by the Skins. that it

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | May 7, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

So what you are saying is Haynesworth does not like the 3-4. Why weren't we told of this earlier than today?

Posted by: jmy999 | May 7, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What a fat idiot.

Posted by: snoopylad | May 7, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

This whole crap is dumb... Its like trading for Barry Sanders to play Center.. Why have a person that is GREAT at what he does and make him do something else... This is the only dumb thing this regime has made..

Posted by: cocodc1 | May 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"What a fat idiot."

That's because it's all about "me" with this guy.

Great scouting Vinny!

Wait until he gets benched.

It's coming.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Joey Galloway has Marko Mitchell's number.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

so... this question seems ripe for a futures prediction market with cash involved.

unable to find any such thing online that pertains to AH, and unfortunately, federal regulations and WaPo policy prohibit me from establishing one here.

but I wonder, how many of you would put real money on the odds of AH being here for the start of the regular season?

blog talk is cheap... bonus points are invaluable.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Carriker is wearing #94. Who was the last guy to wear #94? What was Griffin's #? Beyond Haynesworth (#92), Orakpo (#98) and Carter (#99), I don't recall other guys in teh backfield. Was Griffin #96?

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

but I wonder, how many of you would put real money on the odds of AH being here for the start of the regular season?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:16 PM

Even. I got a dollar that says he is on the roster as of the Thursday night game that starts the season.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:22 PM

Monty "wore" 94".
Griff wore 96.

Monty was Albert without elite talent.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/team/index.jsp?d-49681-o=2&d-49681-p=1&d-49681-s=2

Doug Dutch and Marcus McCauley are on the roster again ... weren't they here last offseason?

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Even. I got a dollar that says he is on the roster as of the Thursday night game that starts the season.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:25 PM

"real money"? that's a pretty tepid opening bid... maybe a single dollar matters more to you than me.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Haynesworth WILL become an Oakland Raider.

The Raiders and Skins seem to have a "thing" going on.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 7, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Personally I have no truck with the argument that AH was 'lied' to about being allowed to play 4-3 or that he has been treated unfairly because he wanted to go to a 4-3 defense but now we're probably not running one.

When he signed Zorn was head coach, Blache was def-coord and they ran a 4-3. But now there is a new coaching staff and they want to install a 3-4 because they believe it will improve the team.

If AH and his agent sat there and believed any garuntees they were given that the team would always run a 4-3 whilst he was here the problem is theirs and AH should probably be looking for a new agent.

This is the NFL, or as that initially mildly amusing cretin Jerry Glanville once put it - Not For Long. Whats the average time span of a coaches tenure - 3 or 4 years? And this was the Snidely owned 'Skins we're talking (Turner, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs then Zorn 10) - and there were already rumours Zorn was a goner after his first year.

Perhaps the argument is Snidely should have told any prospective coaches 'AH was told it would be a 4-3 D':
"hey Mike Shanahan, you can only be the new coach if you use a 4-3".

I wonder how the conversation would have progressed from there!

That would be as crazy as hiring all the teams assistant coaches and co-ordinators and THEN looking for a new head coach...oh...wait....

Posted by: craig81 | May 7, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Skins really really do have a different long snapper. Ethan Allen was so reliable ... I don't remember a botched snap. (Botched holds, punts, and kicks, yes, but not botched snaps.)

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert's problem is that every all-you-can-eat buffet has banned him and posted his photo by their entrance.

Oh the humanity.

Posted by: nativedc | May 7, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The current roster has:

4 DEs
3 DTs
3 DLs
3 NTs
12 LBs
1 DE/LB

I think they really haven't committed to change the base package yet.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynsworth needs to get with the damned program. I could care less if he's unhappy. He got 100 million to play, so he should shut up and be the professional he's paid to be.

Posted by: EKruse | May 7, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

... maybe a single dollar matters more to you than me.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:29 PM

I have hands, you have hooves. How does currency matter to you? Has it even been established whether you're dairy or beef cattle yet?

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:27 PM

You'd think that redskins.com would be the place to go but http://www.hogshaven.com/roster is updated more frequently and should always be used for any argument.

For example:
Chris Draft not on redskins.com roster
Darrel Young is a LB not a RB

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Even. I got a dollar that says he is on the roster as of the Thursday night game that starts the season.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:25 PM

"real money"? that's a pretty tepid opening bid... maybe a single dollar matters more to you than me.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:29 PM

I have hands, you have hooves. How does currency matter to you? Has it even been established whether you're dairy or beef cattle yet?

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:37 PM

how about this instead...

blog handle reputation in perpetuity. change your cyberspace nickname if you get it wrong.

AH on the roster for the opening game of the 2010 season seems to be a fair metric.

I'm willing to say no.

are you game dcsween?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 6:38 PM

I see your point, but the columns on the skins site re-sort if you click the column heading.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:42 PM

Good point. That does come in handy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:41 PM

Too many variables (primarily injury and the League's StarCaps decision-making) to put real money on that kind of bet. I make dollar bets on whether the team is going to call a screen (and to which side) based on field position, down, and distance ... as well as whether its going to work.

As far as my name, I am who I am. Not much I can do about that. I'd have to figure out how to re-register and maybe even change in the automated log-in procedure on my browser. I take unreasonable risks, but at bottom, I am a lazy person.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

once we all stop clicking on these non-stories with dodgy 'sources,' they will go away, but not until then...

Posted by: poopoobigelow | May 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Too many variables (primarily injury and the League's StarCaps decision-making) to put real money on that kind of bet. I make dollar bets on whether the team is going to call a screen (and to which side) based on field position, down, and distance ... as well as whether its going to work.

As far as my name, I am who I am. Not much I can do about that. I'd have to figure out how to re-register and maybe even change in the automated log-in procedure on my browser. I take unreasonable risks, but at bottom, I am a lazy person.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:48 PM

that's cool... more of a cheap thought experiment than anything else.

not doggin' on you personally, but kinda shows the difference between throwing out bullsh!it and making real decisions when something is actually at stake, even if it's as trivial as re-registering a blog handle.

hope you've got some good grilling planned for the evening.

cheers all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the argument is Snidely should have told any prospective coaches 'AH was told it would be a 4-3 D':
"hey Mike Shanahan, you can only be the new coach if you use a 4-3".

+++


How about:

"I've got about 39 million dollars invested in what I believe to be one of the most dominant D players in all of football, so I am wondering what your ideas are for maximizing that talent and putting him in positions to change the game the way he did with the Titans when he was All Pro the last two years, because that's what I spent the money for."

Is that too hard to imagine?

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

But what would we do if we did stop clicking on them?

I might have to work then.

Posted by: craig81 | May 7, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be one ugly divorce.

Posted by: daniba | May 7, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

J reid. Bro, get off the haynesworth non story. Take another vacation. You were NOT missed, and Maese did a great job in comparison.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

edvar:
You want owners to decide which players to pick and how best to use them?

Surely an owner believing he can do this has been the biggest problem with this team for years?

Granted coaches don't always. maybe not even most of the time, always make the best use of players but afterall they are afterall the football professionals and at least we have one this time that has a history of doing so (albiet not on defense).

As to how much money Snidely has spent - I don't care - if it had been spent well rather than on the football equivalent of umpteen white elephants we might not be where we are today for starters.

Posted by: craig81 | May 7, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

J reid. Bro, get off the haynesworth non story. Take another vacation. You were NOT missed, and Maese did a great job in comparison.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 7:06 PM

Kaneohe, are you taking bets? this isn't something I'd do with just any random poster... but I'd be willing to make the same wager proposed with dcsween above.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Careful Jason, you're setting yourself up with this AH speculation

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | May 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, Haynesworth is not that smart.

If he was he would realize that to maximize his value and facilitate a trade he needs to come in and be a 'good soldier' through the summer and camp and show himself to be in good shape.

Then the Resdkins can look to deal him and get some value in return.

As long as he stays away and causes problems for the new staff other teams are going to discount his value as they believe the Redskins are dealing from a point of desperation.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Who taught you how to get traded? What you're talking about is getting the Redskins the best possible offer not how to go about getting traded.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | May 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: craig81 | May 7, 2010 7:08 PM

If you just signed one of the very best QB's in the league over the past few years - who is still in his prime - to big money, wouldn't you be asking that of your next coach?

If not, I'd have to wonder why?

Who else on our D even mildly concerns other team's coaches? Orakpo? Sometimes maybe, but he's a one trick pony so far. NOBODY else on our D scares anybody.

Anyway, have fun kicking it around. I gotta scoot.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Fat Albert,

Grow up. Just like the rest of us working stiffs, you are paid to do a job. Your employer, the Washington Redskins has decided to change their defense. Your opinion of that change is irrelevant. Your joy or lack thereof in such a defense is also irrelevant.

You have a choice, Fat Man - give back the funds that are due the Redskins if they are to trade you away and shut up and leave. If you are unwilling to man up and to do what is necessary to leave, then get off your fat arse and start learning nose-tackle.

From what I've read, you are an extremely selfish and spoiled player. I won't call you an athlete because that requires a commitment to excellence. The only commitment you have is to yourself, to your career statistics, and to hell with your team. I can understand that your nose is out of joint because one year you got to show America that you flop on the ground to get out of the game and you choose to play when you want and then when you want statistics, you play your heart out.

So, Lard Arse, you do have options. If you don't like the Redskins and their direction, get the hell out of town. If you are unwilling, then accept any and all punitive actions your employer decides to take against you for violating your contract.

In closing, you make a big target and a delicious one to show that NO PLAYER is above expecting to become a TEAM PLAYER. And I will relish your fall as you act like a whining child instead of being a man for once and growing a set.

Coward. Punk. Lazy. Child.

Posted by: laserwizard | May 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy the "sources" saying AH will play NT, since the Skins have been accumulating NTs like they're going out of style.

He's going to play DE in the 3-4. Let's move on.

Posted by: McBride33 | May 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

blog handle reputation in perpetuity. change your cyberspace nickname if you get it wrong.

AH on the roster for the opening game of the 2010 season seems to be a fair metric.

I'm willing to say no.

are you game dcsween?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

with a handle like moodlymoodlymoo, you really don't have much to lose there. Of course, I can pronounce your handle -- the handle I can't pronounce is my own.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 7, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

This whole article is hearsay BS....wait to see what shape he arrives in -- hopefully good. And wait to see what they ask him to do. Haslett is smart enough to see he has a beast and needs to put him into sp[ots to let him wreak havoc. In doing so...he's draw attention (like last year) that lets others make plays...and he will make his share too...This story here is: "hmmm I need to write about something. Let me re-hash the BS I've written for the last month." ... like before...all unsubstantiated. ... Leave AH alone and let it play out.

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | May 7, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe a word from these stories on Haynesworth. It is spoken as if they have been told from Shanahan the specifics of what he plans to do with Haynesworth and I don't believe for a minute they have told the WP. Furthermore, I don't believe what the sources say that Haynesworth has said. I don't understand why these stories keep popping up as if anything is new. We will see what happens as the offseason progresses.

Posted by: kmfuss | May 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Moo cow.

I dont know if AH will be here or not.

What i do know is that jreid has been banging this monotonous gong all spring long.

jreid is a crap stirring one trick pony. My hope is that he is not long for this blog, and i think Maese does a much better job of reporting actual events and news vice a continual rehash of the same tired story.

AH doesn't wanna play NT. AH wants free reign to wreak havoc. We get it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

He's going to play DE in the 3-4. Let's move on.

Posted by: McBride33 | May 7, 2010 7:21 PM

Agreed. Although the 3-4 DE needs to tie up their fair share of lineman to let the OLBs get the glory.

Until AH is on tape as saying it, I'll ignore any story about whether or not he's happy with his role. He’s an A-hole with tremendous talent and he’s our tremendously talented A-hole until he's not.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Brian Cushing suspended four games

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 7, 2010 6:41 PM ET

The reigning NFL defensive rookie of the year will miss the first four weeks of the 2010 season.

Adam Schefter of ESPN is reporting that Texans linebacker Brian Cushing is being suspended four games for violating the NFL's policy on steroids and related substances.

Per Schefter, Cushing appealed the suspension during the scouting combine in February but was told today that he will be suspended. He can participate in training camp and the preseason but will have to sit out Weeks 1-4 of the regular season.

It's the second time in the last five years that the reigning defensive rookie of the year has been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs; Shawne Merriman won the award in 2005 and was suspended in 2006. Although Merriman was selected to the Pro Bowl after the 2006 season, a rule passed in response to Merriman's Pro Bowl selection prohibits players suspended during the regular season from being selected to the Pro Bowl.

So Cushing, who was selected to the Pro Bowl after 2009, won't be a Pro Bowler next season.

Cushing started all 16 games for the Texans after being chosen in the first round of the 2009 draft. Prior to the draft Cushing was the subject of a false report that he had tested positive for steroids at the 2009 scouting combine.

UPDATE: Steve Wyche of NFL Network has confirmed the report. ESPN's Michael Smith points out that Julius Peppers was suspended during his Rookie of the Year campaign, so this has happened three times in eight years. Yikes.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

with a handle like moodlymoodlymoo, you really don't have much to lose there. Of course, I can pronounce your handle -- the handle I can't pronounce is my own.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 7, 2010 7:31 PM

MOL... thought it was pronounced "zeke" for short?

point was made, and doesn't sound like anyone has the cajones to wager, so betting is closed.

personally, I see various paths to success, with or without AH.

but if you asked me to put something down -- even a ridiculuous blog handle -- my guess is that he will not be here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

1. When he was an FA, he told his agent to strike all 3-4 teams off the list.

2. He was offered more money elsewhere, but was promised he would play a central role in our D attacking upfield, not as a "gap control" player.

3. We paid him more money than any other defensive player in the game because he is one of the most dominant players on the field, so it would figure that you would try to use him in ways that allow him to dominate like he did when he was on the Titans - you know, attacking upfield.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM

Whoowee there are a lot of contradictions in the above argument. Like "He was offered more money elsewhere" the next sentence "We paid him more money than any other defensive player in the game"

Anyway, I'd also like to see where he said STRIKE all 3-4s off the list. And Finally, he signed with the Skins for a deal NO TEAM in the league came close to matching. And most have laughed at. When you sign a $100 million contract, you are not bargain hunting for the right role. Its all about the bengis. And signing with a team as UNSTABLE as the Skins, was poor judgement on him and those around him. The Skins have only changed there WHOLE Staff every other year. He signed a contract to play football, just play...

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 7:45 PM

TB offered more. It's too bad he didn't take their offer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

At this point I think I am sure JReid is F-ing with us.

Another Haynesworth take, talking about fines re: VOLUNTARY camp, trying to portray big trouble looming. Where was all this last week when he Reid was out of the picture?

Dude is definitely having a laugh at our expense.

Touche JReid.

I still despise the job you do though.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | May 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 5:25 PM

Whoowee there are a lot of contradictions in the above argument. Like "He was offered more money elsewhere" the next sentence "We paid him more money than any other defensive player in the game"

Anyway, I'd also like to see where he said STRIKE all 3-4s off the list. And Finally, he signed with the Skins for a deal NO TEAM in the league came close to matching. And most have laughed at.


Posted by: Club320

Yeah everyone laughed at Haynesworth's demands -- except for TWO teams, the 'Skins and the Bucs, who DID offer Haynesworth more money than the 'Skins did, the who being the Bucs.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

moo cow.

Not sure what your point is? Mine is pretty clear, and its not about AH per se.

Jreid blows, and Maese does a much better job.

Feel free to agree or not, but I'm not sure what kind of wager we could cook up over our opinions.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Joey Galloway has Marko Mitchell's number.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

......and his job and probably his locker.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 7, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"I've also been asked why the Redskins have not fined Haynesworth for missing the first two voluntary camps. "

Wow...We have some stupid RI emailers....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 7, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 7:45 PM

TB offered more. It's too bad he didn't take their offer.

I disagree, TB was in the mix. But there was no contract and when the dust settled they were a pawn to drive up the price by AH camp. Its all speculation and BS when it comes to how much he was offered. But its clear that all the warning signs and concerns that were expressed are coming to fruition...

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Moo cow.

I dont know if AH will be here or not.

What i do know is that jreid has been banging this monotonous gong all spring long.

jreid is a crap stirring one trick pony. My hope is that he is not long for this blog, and i think Maese does a much better job of reporting actual events and news vice a continual rehash of the same tired story.

AH doesn't wanna play NT. AH wants free reign to wreak havoc. We get it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 7:34 PM

hey Kaneohe... sorry to pull you in like that, thanks for being a good sport.

no real complaints here about JReid, but do prefer Maese's style a little better. still think AH is a story that matters to the team, and not sure that he'll be here next fall. for a low-stakes wager, my odds are in favor of not.

hope Hawaii is treating you nice. we're stuck w/ PNW spring here in Idaho.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I bet if they had given Dave Butz or Darryl Grant $21 million, they would have shown up and we wouldn't have to hear all this primadonna bull sht. They did it for probably $210,000, played their arses off and are retired with Super Bowl rings.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 7, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse


TB offered more. It's too bad he didn't take their offer.

I disagree, TB was in the mix. But there was no contract and when the dust settled they were a pawn to drive up the price by AH camp. Its all speculation and BS when it comes to how much he was offered. But its clear that all the warning signs and concerns that were expressed are coming to fruition...

Posted by: Club320


Club, Haynesworth said Tampa offered more money:


Haynesworth: Bucs offered more money


Some interesting news about the Bucs in an interview that Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth had on Sirius NFL Radio. Haynesworth, the biggest jewel in this season's free-agent crop, chose the Redskins over an offer from the Bucs, apparently giving up money to do so. Here's the juicy parts:

Host Adam Schein asked if money was the No. 1 issue in him choosing the Redskins, and Haynesworth said "No, I could've made more money with Tampa Bay if I really wanted to."

Asked why he chose the Redskins -- who finished last in the NFC East last season and went 8-8, one game behind the 9-7 Bucs -- here's what Haynesworth had to say:

"They offered me a whole lot more, and even with their tax situation, it could have been 20 percent more. But you look at Washington, they've got a lot of the pieces together. They're right there. They're in a huge market. It's one of the largest markets in the world. You've just got a large, huge media outlet and it can be life beyond football. Going to Tampa, I mean, great city. Looking at it from the off-season standpoint, I love the water. I love to be out in the sun. It's just awesome, but it would've been like another Nashville. Tampa doesn't have that big market and they don't have a huge fan base like the Washington Redskins do, so I think it was just a choice just to look at it that way."

In case you're wondering, by the numbers, Washington D.C. is the nation's ninth-largest TV market, while Tampa is 13th. Did we mention that the Bucs play at the Redskins in Week 4 on Oct. 4?

-- Greg Auman, Times staff writer

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

MY boy Cushing got suspended.....It's all good.....We don't get to see him...but the Girls don't get to see him either...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 7, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Hawaii is great. The cattle on the big island love it.

I've been underwhelmed by jreid from the get go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

MY boy Cushing got suspended.....It's all good.....We don't get to see him...but the Girls don't get to see him either...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 7, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse
-------------------------

Albert Haynesworth is reportedly against Cushings 3-4 game suspension.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 7, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Red,
I just said that the AH camp "claimed" that TB offered more. So we should believe that? Just like we should believe all the draft day rumors about trades. Annnnyyyywwwaay. My LARGER point is that this guy has a teammate going thru the same exact issue. Andre Carter made it very clear when leaving SF that he was uncomfortable in the 3-4. But he is here, and he is trying his hardest to contribute. It would be nice if the highest paid DL in the league, would just you know, give it a try. Pretty F'in please? WIth Sugar...

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

MY boy Cushing got suspended.....It's all good.....We don't get to see him...but the Girls don't get to see him either...

Posted by: 4thFloor


I read that earlier some where and was going to AIR you out about that, but I said naw, I said naw...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

MOL... thought it was pronounced "zeke" for short?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

It is. Nate bequeathed that on me a long time ago. I embraced it, figuring if I left it to Beantown, it wouldn't have turned out as good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I remember there were rumblings re cushing and PEDs before the draft last year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Smith points out that Julius Peppers was suspended during his Rookie of the Year campaign, so this has happened three times in eight years. Yikes."

I suspect it's a hell of a lot more common than that. Football's never had any real interest in addressing PED's...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 7, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,You is FUNNY!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Club, with all due and all, it's a difference between Tampa NOT offering him more for certain and the speculation that Tampa didn't offer him more.

Thing is that we don't know for sure, and why would Haynesworth or anyone in his "camp" say so if they didn't? Where is the percentage in that?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Hawaii is great. The cattle on the big island love it.

I've been underwhelmed by jreid from the get go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 8:03 PM |

agreed, but part of that has to do with expectations... mine for JReid are pretty low, so disappointment isn't a factor. AH is a different question entirely.

if you're in the service (no?) kick ass and rock on. as a navy brat, I've got undue respect for the sacrifice, whether anyone agrees with the bigger picture.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Red, Really? I dont care. But maybe, The percentage is perception, and if they led the Skins on during negotiation, maybe he felt he needed to keep the lie going. Who gives a rats patooty??? Chris'o'mighty, its like I'm playing cards with my brothers kids or somethin... Now I know why I dont comment very often. Get into muck over inane points. Go get your shine box...

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

From 2007, story on risk of Raiders drafting JaRu. Mostly nothing new but one interesting tid bit that Bengals turned down 9 draft picks, including 3 number 1's, from the Saints for the right to draft Akili Smith. Just amazing...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-raiderspick042607

Posted by: will_ga | May 7, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Now I know why I dont comment very often. Get into muck over inane points. Go get your shine box...

Posted by: Club320

I mean really homie, it ain't that serious. It's Friday NIGHT... but I'm chillin'... I suggest you go indulge in your favorite vice and get RITE!

However, nice Billy Bats pull, son.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Club320 | May 7, 2010 8:15 PM

You're probably better off not commenting frequently. Especially if you're going to attempt to correct peeps and do so without facts. And when you play cards with your bro's kids don't attempt to circumvent the rules or fail to admit when you lose.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Kaneohe must be a haole Marine stuck on the Windward side of Oahu with the MCSS. Not a kanaka bruddah. Kanakas are not Redskin fans. Kanakas are fans of Rams, 49ers, Raiders, Dodgers, and Giants. No fool me Kaneohe. Not this Kamehameha/UH grad.

Posted by: getitritegov | May 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Even though he's a M-F,9-5 poster...


Hahahahaha... there was this ol' bama ass bama from Boston that was beefing with me all week...

HEY BeantownGreg1, the C's are down by TWENTY, the Flyers are up on the Bruins by one, and the Yanks are up on the Sawx by two...

Go choke on it you smug bastard!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

How is this protecting the shield Commish? Four game suspension? MFers should get ejected from the league for this. Oh wait the Commish is in on it.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | May 7, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

gov... not trying to fool anybody. Close but no cigar for you. Def not kanaka though.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Kanakas though, how long before the Hawaiians get tribal status? 'Bout time Oahu got some casinos.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The only REAL thing "BIG AL" is missing is conditioning to last a whole season. He can learn a new defensive plan in two weeks.... Tops!!

Posted by: herbertfoley7 | May 7, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The only REAL thing "BIG AL" is missing is conditioning to last a whole season. He can learn a new defensive plan in two weeks.... Tops!!

Posted by: herbertfoley7 | May 7, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

SSDD that is what we get from JR. He should go join his buddy JLC. Someone should tell JR that this is not an OP ED column. when AH doesn't show up for mandatory mini camps or gets traded you will have something to report. Your constant hypothesis abut what AH is going to do is just a bunch of BS.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | May 7, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

The only REAL thing "BIG AL" is missing is conditioning to last a whole season. He can learn a new defensive plan in two weeks.... Tops!!

Posted by: herbertfoley7 | May 7, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree, herb. As far as conditioning, I suspect coaching staff will force the D to bond by giving all of them extra sprints once AH gets into camp, just to make the point that when one of them misses "voluntary" sessions, all of them have to make it up later. And in that way, they will ensure that AH is in shape.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 7, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

gov... not trying to fool anybody. Close but no cigar for you. Def not kanaka though.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 7, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Auwe I go stay get you wrong. Dats Ok. Skins fan is da main ting.

Posted by: getitritegov | May 7, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Dude has a $100 million guaranteed contract and he's not happy? That must be the saddest thing I have ever heard. There is no God.

Posted by: clocker58 | May 7, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This is too funny...I'm starting to see this blog and the ESPN NFC East blog by Matt "Hate the Skins" Mosely are mainly the only places who keep reporting "with Sources" about Big AL.

Funny thing is just 2 weeks ago I read (wish I still had link) an interview with Big Al saying how he was fine with the 3 -4 now that he understands how they will use him. He admitted not liking it at first but now after talking with teammates and haslett he was cool with it.

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

This is too funny...I'm starting to see this blog and the ESPN NFC East blog by Matt "Hate the Skins" Mosely are mainly the only places who keep reporting "with Sources" about Big AL.

Funny thing is just 2 weeks ago I read (wish I still had link) an interview with Big Al saying how he was fine with the 3 -4 now that he understands how they will use him. He admitted not liking it at first but now after talking with teammates and haslett he was cool with it.

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

This is too funny...I'm starting to see this blog and the ESPN NFC East blog by Matt "Hate the Skins" Mosely are mainly the only places who keep reporting "with Sources" about Big AL.

Funny thing is just 2 weeks ago I read (wish I still had link) an interview with Big Al saying how he was fine with the 3 -4 now that he understands how they will use him. He admitted not liking it at first but now after talking with teammates and haslett he was cool with it.

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

This is too funny...I'm starting to see this blog and the ESPN NFC East blog by Matt "Hate the Skins" Mosely are mainly the only places who keep reporting "with Sources" about Big AL.

Funny thing is just 2 weeks ago I read (wish I still had link) an interview with Big Al saying how he was fine with the 3 -4 now that he understands how they will use him. He admitted not liking it at first but now after talking with teammates and haslett he was cool with it.

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth you spoiled brat!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 7, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by edvar:

I don't know... if I just dropped 30+ million over two years on a guy like Haynesworth, I think I'd make sure the guys who run the D make the best use of his talents. I seriously doubt I would instruct them to antagonize him and go against everything we promissed him just to show the other players who is in charge. That's called "Biting off you nose to spite your face." You see? like the one we are staffed for?

Interesting, I call it letting the inmates run the asylum.

I think we have the personnel to run the 3-4, we just have to convince a fat lazy overpaid to buy in.

I guess all the millions albert just put in his bank won't be enough to help him deal with the emotional hardship of playing with less responsibility.

Posted by: Eman8 | May 7, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by edvar:

I don't know... if I just dropped 30+ million over two years on a guy like Haynesworth, I think I'd make sure the guys who run the D make the best use of his talents. I seriously doubt I would instruct them to antagonize him and go against everything we promissed him just to show the other players who is in charge. That's called "Biting off you nose to spite your face." You see? like the one we are staffed for?

Interesting, I call it letting the inmates run the asylum.

I think we have the personnel to run the 3-4, we just have to convince a fat lazy overpaid to buy in.

I guess all the millions albert just put in his bank won't be enough to help him deal with the emotional hardship of playing with less responsibility.

Posted by: Eman8 | May 7, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by edvar:

I don't know... if I just dropped 30+ million over two years on a guy like Haynesworth, I think I'd make sure the guys who run the D make the best use of his talents. I seriously doubt I would instruct them to antagonize him and go against everything we promissed him just to show the other players who is in charge. That's called "Biting off you nose to spite your face." You see? like the one we are staffed for?

Interesting, I call it letting the inmates run the asylum.

I think we have the personnel to run the 3-4, we just have to convince a fat lazy overpaid to buy in.

I guess all the millions albert just put in his bank won't be enough to help him deal with the emotional hardship of playing with less responsibility.

Posted by: Eman8 | May 7, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by edvar:

I don't know... if I just dropped 30+ million over two years on a guy like Haynesworth, I think I'd make sure the guys who run the D make the best use of his talents. I seriously doubt I would instruct them to antagonize him and go against everything we promissed him just to show the other players who is in charge. That's called "Biting off you nose to spite your face." You see? like the one we are staffed for?

Interesting, I call it letting the inmates run the asylum.

I think we have the personnel to run the 3-4, we just have to convince a fat lazy overpaid to buy in.

I guess all the millions albert just put in his bank won't be enough to help him deal with the emotional hardship of playing with less responsibility.

Posted by: Eman8 | May 7, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Reid,
If you would, please explain to me why someone who has a guaranteed $100 million contract would care about absolutely anything regarding his career other than keeping himself from becoming crippled or brain damaged. Is it possible to organize your life in such a way that $100 million is 'not enough.' What does Albert want? We all talked about Gilbert Arenas' contract. Hainesworth makes Gilbert seem like a true working man just trying to make a living.

Posted by: clocker58 | May 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. moodlymoosworth? HayneyLongballs? What kind of switch we talking here?

Late to the game today, but I don't think either party knows for sure if he's going to be here. Both parties waiting to see if some desperate team makes a killer offer. But I think the first week of training camp is a logical cutoff--if he's here then, he's in for the year.

I do know that I could go the rest of the year without one of these non-updates.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by edvar:

I don't know... if I just dropped 30+ million over two years on a guy like Haynesworth, I think I'd make sure the guys who run the D make the best use of his talents. I seriously doubt I would instruct them to antagonize him and go against everything we promissed him just to show the other players who is in charge. That's called "Biting off you nose to spite your face." You see? like the one we are staffed for?

Interesting, I call it letting the inmates run the asylum.

I think we have the personnel to run the 3-4, we just have to convince a fat lazy overpaid to buy in.

I guess all the millions albert just put in his bank won't be enough to help him deal with the emotional hardship of playing with less responsibility.

Posted by: Eman8 | May 7, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Please only hit SUBMIT once. It may take some time but it will go through..

kthkbye

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Both parties at fault/worthy of scorn regarding AH. Haynesworth is a low life petulant 3 year old and the coaching staff complete doofs for not trying to make best and highest use of him. But that's all water under the bridge now unless AH wants to give some or all of the money back. Guys don't trade him, BUST his fat behind -- all season long! I want to see that clown beg for mercy!

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 7, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

It's me who's been emailing Reid relentlessly about Haynesworth's delicate psyche.

You're welcome.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 7, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh and another one. Have you heard about Dez Bryant at practice? It's one trick catch after another.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 7, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

HEY BeantownGreg1, the C's are down by TWENTY, the Flyers are up on the Bruins by one, and the Yanks are up on the Sawx by two...

Go choke on it you smug bastard!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:33 PM |

Last year Bill Simmons live blogged Bruins playoff game, Celtics playoff game & Red Sox game. Boston lost all three and by the end he was miserable. If not a Boston fan it was some quality good times.

Posted by: will_ga | May 7, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Whoowee there are a lot of contradictions in the above argument. Like "He was offered more money elsewhere" the next sentence "We paid him more money than any other defensive player in the game"

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Hey Club320, you might want to brush up on your reading comprehension a bit before you check back.

What is the contradiction between "He was offered more money elsewhere" and "We paid him more money than any other defensive player in the game"?

He was offered more money by another team at the same time we were negotiating. When the deal was settled, he became the highest paid defensive player in the game. Hence he was OFFERED more, but we PAID the most.

Whoooooweeeee indeed...


And Eman8, let's get the facts straight.

The total value of the contract is 100 million or so, but as has been stated about a thousand times on this blog over the last year, only about 42 million is guaranteed.

Granted, it's still a lot of money either way.

And just curious, if the owner is the guy asking the question, how is that "the inmates running the asylum?" It's his team. He does the hiring, so he gets to make the demands.

Posted by: edvar | May 7, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Was just thinking back to my college days.
WR Charlie Brown was a stud, could get open deep. Made many big plays. Suddenly he was gone. Traded.
I'm trying to recall, I think they traded him for OL R C Theilman, is that correct?

But why? Anyone recall?
Did Brown fall out of favor? Get in trouble w/ Gibbs?

Thanks guys
Hail

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 7, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I just e-mailed JReid to check in and see if he's thought of anything in the last 4 hours to change Albert Haynesworth's mind about playing in a 3-4 defense. I got carried away and also asked if he thought that missing 2 voluntary mini-camps would be disappointing to Coach Shanahan.

Posted by: randysbailin | May 7, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 7, 2010 10:19 PM

I loved 87 but he only played with us for 4 of his 6 years in the league. Made the pro bowl 2 of those years before getting into something that would be common knowledge these days (possibly an career ending injury, not sure).

Still for an 8th rd pick...not too shabby.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Last year Bill Simmons live blogged Bruins playoff game, Celtics playoff game & Red Sox game. Boston lost all three and by the end he was miserable. If not a Boston fan it was some quality good times.

Posted by: will_ga

lmao @ Boston getting their asses getting SWEPT tonight in all three major US sports... ol' cocky bastards... "eat sh*t, Derek

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I asked nice but no... more sh^% on Buttersworth, ok I get it, he isn't happy, again who gives a rat's ace... he will show up outa shape (big suprise) still collecting a massive paycheck. Then he will play the nose like he is told for a play or two before playing hurt for a couple of plays and then go back in for the first 8 games, then be out a couple games, then repeat the process... complaining all the time that he is being mis-used. Really it is all us RI readers that are getting used by this stupid story... we all get it. Only a few of us are truely stupid... and we still get it. For the love of my testicles stop this continued story, because if you dont I might get them removed so I can jam them in my eyes so I don't have to see this story one more time.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | May 7, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Made the pro bowl 2 of those years before getting into something that would be common knowledge these days
Posted by: Diesel44
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That's what I am telling you; I've forgotten why he was traded so suddenly when still so young. What was it?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 7, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

lmao @ Boston getting their asses getting SWEPT tonight in all three major US sports... ol' cocky bastards... "eat sh*t, Derek

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 10:33 PM

That's funny especially the eat shat, Derek part. I have a feeling if you actually met Bean you'd have more pity than spite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

MY boy Cushing got suspended.....It's all good.....We don't get to see him...but the Girls don't get to see him either...

Posted by: 4thFloor

I read that earlier some where and was going to AIR you out about that, but I said naw, I said naw...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 7, 2010 8:06 PM

No way can that thing drop. 4th has had Cushing hard on all season and crowned himself the ISH of RI with Cushing's DROY ... 4th knows his juice when he sees it, or at least, he knows enough to confuse juice with talent.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

There are no similarities between a DT in 4-3 and a NT in a 3-4....the NT becomes a huge part of the 3-4 with little stats since he doesn't sack nor get much QB pressure.

Albert will HATE that and will never allow it

Posted by: Bious | May 7, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

It's me who's been emailing Reid relentlessly about Haynesworth's delicate psyche.

You're welcome.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 7, 2010 10:09 PM

I'm guessing you use lots of different screen names to ask him why Haynesworth isn't getting penalized for missing the mini-camp too.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 10:45 PM

Sween- SMACK1 is a cowboys fan. A good guy but a boy's fan nonetheless.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think any player who stomps a Cowboys' heads should get $100 mil. If they stomp Romo's head they should get $200 mil. Albert will always be a hero of mine just for that one play.

Posted by: elderdave1 | May 7, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Sween?
Do you recall why Charlie Brown was suddenly traded?

And then of course there was George Starke.
I would have never believed he was doing Cocaine. That came as a complete shock to me!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 7, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. moodlymoosworth? HayneyLongballs? What kind of switch we talking here?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 7, 2010 9:47 PM

fair enough RomoLongballs. of anyone here, you should have the cajones to take me up on this. so I'll reopen the house for you.

I don't really care about AH deep down, at least not enough to worry about risking my moniker.

as you've noted, your name is just as ridiculous as mine, and nobody knows for sure what will happen. so part of the question is what you think will happen, and part of the question is how much your name is worth.

but we can wager on that, and I propose your name against mine. I'm willing to bet AH will not be here for the season opener.

if he is... I find a new name. if not... you do the same.

the fine print states that those who want to pile on later should be RI posters with some track record (dubious or otherwise) that have been willing to take this bet on record. otherwise you're just chicken.

fully prepared to eat cow, if necessary.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

It was OT of game 7 Bruins lost to Carolina.
Bill Simmons (11:23 PM)
You gotta be kidding me.
Bill Simmons (11:23 PM)
Worst.
Bill Simmons (11:23 PM)
Case.
Bill Simmons (11:23 PM)
Scenario.
Bill Simmons (11:23 PM)
Time to go walking...

Good times indeed...
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/26468/26468

Posted by: will_ga | May 7, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

As most of you know AH earned his nickname of Fat Albert last year. He was out of shape, always hurt, taking time outs when he needed a breather, and carried off the field more than any lineman in recent memory. If these things were not true he would have been called Superman instead of Fat Albert. His ability is unquestioned, unfortunately so was his physical shape and professionalism. He does not deserve to dictate what kind of defense we play. We played the 4-3 last year and he did not show up prepared. Lets not make him the other Messiah in Washington until he earns it, we already have one false prophet.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | May 7, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is just 2 weeks ago I read (wish I still had link) an interview with Big Al saying how he was fine with the 3 -4 now that he understands how they will use him. He admitted not liking it at first but now after talking with teammates and haslett he was cool with it.

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:32 PM

http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 7, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

As most of you know AH earned his nickname of Fat Albert last year. He was out of shape, always hurt, taking time outs when he needed a breather, and carried off the field more than any lineman in recent memory. If these things were not true he would have been called Superman instead of Fat Albert. His ability is unquestioned, unfortunately so was his physical shape and professionalism. He does not deserve to dictate what kind of defense we play. We played the 4-3 last year and he did not show up prepared. Lets not make him the other Messiah in Washington until he earns it, we already have one false prophet.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | May 7, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

With all of these Fat Albert non-stories, I feel like I am in "Groundhog Day" and am served Hamburger Helper every night for dinner.

Problem is, Fat Albert always cleans my plate before I can sit down at the dinner table.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 7, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

How about reserving judgement on Albert until HE ACTUALLY SAYS SOMETHING and WHEN HE TURNS UP TO MANDATORY CAMP IN JUNE, rather than believing these so called "sources" (yeah right) that have been wrong in the past with striking regularity?

He trained this way in Tennessee when he was at the top of his game, last year he did it differently and suffered, now he's going back to what made him an elite NFL DL.

Posted by: PCinOz | May 7, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Only thing worse than the #92 non stories are the #92 jokes.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

and Romo... nothing personal, just happened to log in and see your comment.

feel free to decline if you think it's a dumb cow idea. cool either way. you weren't taking a position on this, as far as I could tell, other than to b!tch about the fact that the media is reporting that one of our most important players -- or trade bait, depending on how you see it -- continues to be a little bit of a malcontent.

might not matter in the long run.... just think things would be more interesting around here if people had some steak (sp?) in their bullsh!t.

ok, that sounds strange. but so be it.

willing to entertain offers from regular posters who have informed opinions to the contrary. remember, I'm just a vulnerable newbie cow in these parts.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 7, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Yet despite supposedly being out of shape he still managed to average around 70% of the defense snaps, had 4 sacks and 25 tackles and created enough chaos to enable both DEs to have double digit sacks. Imagine if he were in shape.

My beef with AH is not that he is working out in his own program, especially if it was successful in the past. I just think it is unprofessional to skip mini camps (even voluntary) when you have a new coaching staff. Even if you don't like the new defensive scheme (of course since he didn't participate how does he know he won't like it) it shows a lack of respect and no leadership.

Posted by: lifelongfan | May 7, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I'll hold judgement on the whole Haynesworth issue until he's in camp. If he shows up in shape and ready to dominate... that's all I care about.

But one thing is for certain. JReid and his buddy JLC are grasping at straws with all of this speculation. They have no idea what's going on and have been flat out inaccurate about the situation to this point. They are probably praying that it happens so they can refill their empty credibility tanks.

Hopefully, they just STFU until there is actually real news on this front.

Posted by: dfbovey | May 7, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Only thing worse than the #92 non stories are the #92 jokes.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 7, 2010 11:24 PM

Yeah it was a lame one, sort of like all of these endless AH stories. Even the jokes have now become dead horses. Maybe we can sell them all to Elmer's and make a few bucks.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 7, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 7, 2010 11:46 PM

No offense dude. Even 92 knows he could be in better shape. The purpose of the endless non stories up here about 92 are to increase posts. He may be less enthusiastic about the switch to a 3-4 but until he doesn't show up to mandatory camps or speaks out personally about the situation take it all as a bad joke. I was against him and his contract but his contributions are undeniable and I wish he was here but he’s not.

My take is he will be here when it counts and continue to be 1 of our 3 elite players on D (Fletch and Orkapo).

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Get your Chris "Captain Chaos" Cooley Shirts here: http://www.cafepress.com/HailToRedskins.443737513

Posted by: mysticfear | May 8, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Stupid J Reid!!!

He didn't answer HALF of my questions I emailed him about more Haynesworth speculation!!

I mean, yes, OK, he says they cannot fine Haynesworth, because apparently, in this strange case, "voluntary" means "un-mandatory." Certainly some type of NFL Legalese, there.

And True, he did explain why Haynesworth doesn't want to be in the Redskins' defense next year. Something about 4 linemen or 3 lineman. Haynesworth wants to get the QB, which is what I like, too, even if Shanahan is against it.

And finally, J Reid DID answer my questions about HOW Haynesworth is going to know which one is the QB, even while missing all this important time. I mean, you can't just say, "Get the guy with the ball" anymore, like you used to. Today's offenses are much more complicated. Sometimes, they hand off. Other times, they throw. It's mind-numbing.

BUT, J Reid didn't answer half of my other questions, like, "Have the Redskins found a replacement for Greg Blatche yet?"

"Why not Jerry Gray?"

"Have the Redskins picked up other Free Agent Nose Tackles, so Haynesworth can play more of a freelance style?"

"How is the development of Anthony Montgomery coming along?"

"Is the plan to still move Smoot to Free Safety?"

"Why doesn't Laron Landry have his vision checked?"

and finally, "Why don't they just cut Albert Haynesworth?" "If they did, would they still have to pay him the $100 million dollars they signed him for?"

So, J Reid, please, go back, look at my email again. And try to answer the QUESTIONS!!!

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 8, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

The Waashingt Post reports that Albert just had a digestive issue after returning from an all-you-can-eat buffet that set off his carbon monoxide alarm.

Posted by: nativedc | May 8, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm guessing you use lots of different screen names to ask him why Haynesworth isn't getting penalized for missing the mini-camp too.

Posted by: dcsween | May 7, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Just the usual multi-persona. The cranky retiree, the angry black man, the pseudo-intellectual. I have it all covered.

Thanks D44 for is'ing it for what it is. I'm here as a local person with a concern for his local team. No malice towards the Redskins really.

I know it's all new and hard to accept.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 8, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

They can't fine Haynesworth for missing voluntary activities but they sure as Hell can fine his ass for coming in out of shape, such as he did last year.
Just imagine!! 100 million dollars to play a game and he is crying like a spoiled punk. Disgusting!!! I hope they manage to find some other sucker team to take him off our hands because he is shapeing up to be a real disrupting force on this team.

Posted by: pd2710 | May 8, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the EMPLOYER supposed to tell the EMPLOYEE what to do?

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | May 8, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

You gotta wonder if Snyder didn't fire Cerrato and hire GM Allen because after the Haynesworth disaster Danny boy kept having the murderers' nightmare of "stop me before I kill again".

Posted by: pd2710 | May 8, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the EMPLOYER supposed to tell the EMPLOYEE what to do?

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | May 8, 2010 5:54 AM

What do you think the NFL is? A third-world sweat shop?

You need to remember that Haynesworth is in a union and that he and the Redskins have signed a contract. He gets paid as long as he honors his contract. When a union member is unhappy with his employer, he "works to rules." That's what Haynesworth is doing.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Albert doesn't report to camp because he can't find a good hotdog stand in Ashburn. Its not like the defensive "scheme" was built on him - he can't play a full game w/o rolling around on the ground in pain. Sit his big butt on the bench when he does report and let him ride the pine until he begs to get in a game. No more putting up with whining players. He and McIntosh and Rogers can be the 3 Amigos on the bench. We're not talking Deacon Jones material - this is Fat Albert.

Posted by: loanphd | May 8, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

It's quite possible that Haynesworth has no intention of playing for the Redskins, but wants them to make the move to trade him. He's already been paid more than most of us will earn in a lifetime, and quite frankly could just retire if football doesn't work his way. Then he could 'come back' in a year or two to a team of his choosing. I think Sean Gilbert did something like that years ago. The fact that Haynesworth may or may not be 'working out' on his own is irrelevant, he's not learning the defense, and more importantly he's still in the "I" mode and not team mode. If I were Shanahan, I'd work his big butt off in mandatory training camp, sit him on the bench and bring this whole thing to a head before the season starts. He'll either have a great season or a bust, and then things will resolve themselves.

Posted by: bfjam | May 8, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

While having lazy reporters like JR continue to give unwanted updates on Fat Albert is boring..hundreds of bloggers writing in and repeating the same old stuff is just as boring.
Try suggesting new things to do to him.
For example: first tell ALBERT that he will not be traded..to his face! Unless, of course, he wants to refund all that bonus money..void his current contract, and become a free agent. Then tell him..he will be playing nose tackle as a Redskin. If he does a good job..his reward will be using a 4-3 on occassion during games. If
he whines and does little..put him on the practice squad...if he would not go..he would be in violation of his contract.

Think that might embarrass someone who thinks so much of himself..and not his team?

Let`s hear some more new things!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | May 8, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

He's already been paid more than most of us will earn in a lifetime, and quite frankly could just retire if football doesn't work his way.

Posted by: bfjam | May 8, 2010 6:56 AM

No, this really isn't an option. If he retires he will have to repay a prorated share of the money he's already received. (Jake Plummer had to repay the Bucs a lot of the signing bonus that he'd received from Denver.)

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth wants to have the type of freedom he enjoyed in the Tennessee Titans' system, and that's not the way the Redskins plan to use him, so I don't see room for a compromise.
By Jason Reid | May 7, 2010; 4:32 PM ET
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no excuse for AH's attitude.. He is paid millions to do what he is told.. But, there is also blame in paying a player twice the total payroll of the Jaguars and then selecting a new Defensive Coordinator, who everyone knew would install a defensive system and scheme that is totally unsuited to AH, the teams largest player investment.
Shannahan is breaking the most effective and well-known Head Coaching rule..
Install the system that best matches the current player's talents...Not try and mold players into a system. Case in point the failure with JC trying to adjust from a pure pocket passer to a WCO scheme system.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

While having lazy reporters like JR continue to give unwanted updates on Fat Albert is boring.. tell him..he will be playing nose tackle as a Redskin. If he does a good job..his reward will be using a 4-3 on occassion during games. If
he whines and does little..put him on the practice squad...if he would not go..he would be in violation of his contract.

Think that might embarrass someone who thinks so much of himself..and not his team?

Let`s hear some more new things!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | May 8, 2010 7:07 AM

What's lazy and embarrassing is your inability to do your homework before posting. A player cannot be put on the practice squad if he has accrued a year of NFL experience (six or more games on a club's 53-man active roster). Before you go criticizing JReid or insulting "hundreds of bloggers", maybe you should know what you are talking about.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 8, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I would take his grumpiness over the 3-4 seriously if he hadn't shown up last year looking like he'd already eaten a few million of his astounding contract. Since day one, he's been a sullen, pouting, oh-woe-is-me, underacheiver. They need to jettison this blimp of a bum and get someone who wants it, not some prematurely rich baby. Last godawful Cerrato waste of money.

Posted by: curtb | May 8, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"The purpose of the endless non stories up here about 92 are to increase posts."

Correct. Jason LaCanfora was particularly good at finding a topic that stirred up discussion and inflated activity -- the blog equivalent of 'bleed leads'. Let's face it, hard-core fans would probably prefer more background material on the undrafted free agents. But that's not the sort of thing that generates argument. Albert, on the other hand, does.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I loved Lavar Arringtons response to CP. He was definitely a freelancer while playing, but judging by his response he has matured as a man. Way to go LA!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 8, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"The purpose of the endless non stories up here about 92 are to increase posts."

Correct. Jason LaCanfora was particularly good at finding a topic that stirred up discussion and inflated activity -- the blog equivalent of 'bleed leads'. Let's face it, hard-core fans would probably prefer more background material on the undrafted free agents. But that's not the sort of thing that generates argument. Albert, on the other hand, does.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2010 8:55 AM |

I'd be willing to give it a try. My own feeling is that you get the same number of hits and posts, regardless of what drivel goes up first, or pre-first -- zeroth?

Put up a post about an undrafted d-lineman, someone will write "he'll be better than Haynesworth; at least he's here" and then the Haynesworth discussion follows in the same terms and with the same material as the previous 47 Haynesworth discussions.

So, I don't think it's a matter of "increasing posts." I think the guy that is making the zeroth post is simply lazy and unimaginative.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

SMACK1 is a white female.
Lisa_R don't post here anymore.
The only other females I can think of are rachel and ifthethunderdontgetya~

Posted by: Risa_L | May 8, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

why does the post even cover these clowns. they were 4-12 and cut 60% of their AFL caliber roster. Shut it down, change the racist name, get bob marley off the logo, and build through the draft. maybe in 2013 they can get to respectability and beat Spingarn.

Posted by: doyouktt | May 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

your paid to play football, end of story. Haynesworth was a Cerrato/Snyder pick.... not an Allen/Shanny pick. new regime, new rules, new "schemes".... fans complained about Blache's defense mind, now we are mixing it up and changing to a more aggressive style and we have a guy, who cant stay on the field for more than 3 plays demanding what he's better at. This is a team sport and the Dline has a thankless job. If he does not want to play the middle, bench his fat arse and let him watch.... the only guy being bitter will be Danny boy for wasting 39 mil guranteed! Lesson learned.

Posted by: rvanags | May 8, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Contract Information for Albert Haynesworth

2/27/2009: Signed a seven-year, $100 million contract.

The deal contains $41 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and his 2009-2011 base salaries.

Haynesworth is due a $29 million "poison pill" in 2013, effectively making it a four-year, $48.2 million deal. Another $15 million is available through incentives.

2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus due 4/1),

2011: $5.4 million,

2012: $6.7 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus),

2013: $8.5 million (+ $20 million "discretionary signing bonus" + $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31 = Poison Pill Year),

2014: $10.3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31),

2015: $11.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31),

2016: Free Agent

With all these cash inflow, Albert will be a simpleton not to conform to the new skim, form a better rapport with his Team mates and Coaches. Snyder has done his part, credited or not, he is truly a generous owner, he simply wants the best no matter the cost. Albert now must repay that generosity by performance. If Albert reports to the “mandatory”; physically fit, and destroy any opposing tackle, such outing will more than often get him back in the good books with anyone. Skins fans must also realize the height of Albert is disadvantageous in 3-4. Love him, hope he change his stance.

Posted by: abxinc | May 8, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

So no one recalls why WR Charlie Brown who was our best deep threat, had made All-Pro was suddenly traded in the prime of his career?
And notice he only played two more seasons after the trade.
Did he have a career-ending injury in Atlanta?
If not, that might explain why he was traded.
Anyone recall?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 8, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey cow, I like the idea of having a "steak" in the arguments. I don't feel particularly strongly about this one, so how's about this: loser signs off each post with a haynesworth-based moniker for a month rather than change the permanent handle. You know, ala CLEGG, except something clever and funny.

So I'm sayin he's here week one. You in? I've grown rather fond of the friendly neighborhood blog cow, hate to see it go.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 8, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Any news on Albert Haynesworth and his attitude towards playing NT in a 3-4 this morning?

Posted by: randysbailin | May 8, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

So no one recalls why WR Charlie Brown who was our best deep threat, had made All-Pro was suddenly traded in the prime of his career?
And notice he only played two more seasons after the trade.
Did he have a career-ending injury in Atlanta?
If not, that might explain why he was traded.
Anyone recall?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 8, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

There's this new thing called Google. Type in Charlie Brown Redskins and leave us alone.

Posted by: randysbailin | May 8, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Put up a post about an undrafted d-lineman, someone will write "he'll be better than Haynesworth; at least he's here" and then the Haynesworth discussion follows...So, I don't think it's a matter of "increasing posts." I think the guy that is making the zeroth post is simply lazy and unimaginative.
Posted by: beep-beep"

Nothing generates Albert arguments like a lead from Jason Reid with Albert's name prominent in the title. That's Media 101.

But this one wasn't really about the 3-4 scheme at all. This one is really about the tug of war between team and player. The club doesn't want him, nor does he want the club. No more point in blathering about the 3-4 or football matters in general -- these guys are looking for a divorce.

Unlike with Gilbert Arenas, at this point the Haynesworth agreement isn't a significant obstacle to a trade. So is there are viable partner out there? I don't think anybody is giving up a #1 next year for a guy who so clearly demonstrates his reluctance to follow directions.

This could drag on for a while.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

About signings like Hicks, Philip Buchanon, Rex Grossman, Maake Kemeoatu, Adam Carriker, the two RBs, the two WRs -- all guys who came at not much cost, and are the sort who can step right in and play. That's very much a Bruce Allen signature approach. How many of them will wind up on the final roster? Anybody's guess.

The real gamble IMO is still on the o-line. That's where the Skins messed up big-time last year, betting that Samuels and Randy Thomas would stay healthy and that Heyer could handle 16 games at right tackle -- a classic bad bet. Once it went sour, they were at an impasse. No way to quickly patch those holes.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Im so sick of this Albert talk!!!! When the season starts Albert will play where he is told(he has 100 million reasons to) and he will be effective. So Gayson Reid please give us a reason to honk the horn (beep beep) because your so called reports make me "SLEEP SLEEP"

zzzz

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | May 8, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Albert Haynesworth you spoiled brat!"


How so?

Leave Albert be.

Let's hope he shows up fit and ready to bust chops this Fall.

Hate on him now, love him later.

It's like he's the fat kid on the playground we poke fun at up until he punches the bully in the nose and shames us all.

He's the best defensive player we got when he's on as a motivated Haynesworth makes the world turn for so many other players.

Save your shammockery for the good media types that keep selling the notion that Al is going to be traded.

If they had sense, they'd argue back that he was more trade value after a stellar season this upcoming season.

I believe the FO knows this...but the hyperventilating "Haynesworth trade...."media is too slow to catch on.

They deserve a punch in the nose.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

So, I started thinking about the actual cost Haynesworth is to the fans. It's full of generalities and gross estimates, but still is alarming...

Assume that FedEx field consistently has 90,000 paying fans each home game for 2 years (16 games) - that is 1,440,000 fans.

Now, I also made the assumption that there is an estimated 1,000,000 Redskins fans that shell out $400 each year for DirecTV's NFL Ticket. I have penciled in 32,000,000 DirecTV paying spectators for 2 full seasons (again, disregarding the fact that 2-4 games are nationally televised and do not require payment to see the game).

That's a total of 33,440,000 paying fans over 2 years.

Haynesworth will be compensated ~$40,000,000 over those 2 years, which equates to taking almost $1.20 from each and every fan every single game...including the ones that he's to out of shape to participate in because of not keeping himself in shape.

That is a true fleecing of the Redskins Nation. If he walked up to me after each game and asked me for his $1,250,000, I wouldn't be able to say he really earned it (especially if he didn't even play).

Those numbers are assuming he's even playing with us this year.

Sorry, but he owes all the fans shelling out to him BIG bucks a better work ethic and a bit of loyalty (even if it's solely sponsored loyalty). I don't give a crap about the CBA/"voluntary" practices or what he signed up for originally. I have to do things in my job I don't like...it's from the clause, "and other duties as assigned". Just do your damned best, man. Get into camp to learn your job and new role. Is that too much to ask for our money?

Anyone else feel screwed?

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 8, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

This isn't about the 3-4. This is about a disgruntled, overpaid, over-hyped, under-performing player who refuses to play team ball.

This isn't a matter of Haynesworth not being well-suited for the 3-4. Somebody earlier said it doesn't make sense that the team wouldn't play to his strengths. WHAT STRENGTHS? He's a huge DT - he's probably perfect for the 3-4!

He doesn't want to play in a 3-4 because it's going to give him fewer sacks and he's not going to be on SportsCenter as often (not that I recall him being on SportsCenter last year). This has nothing to do with his ability or lack of ability to play nose guard. It has everything to do with his ego.

He's just another overpaid, over-hyped, under-performing free agent. Hopefully, he's also the last Dan Snyder Fantasy Football signing!

Posted by: kemp13 | May 8, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I love how Reid has completely created this story. There is not one quote since the onset of the "Hayneworth Saga" produced by Reid or anyone else in which the team indicates they are going to use him as primarly a Nose. In fact, Haslett has been saying all along that they intend to move him around. Furthermore, there are no quotes from Haynesworth citing a refusal to do anything but what he is asked to do. In fact, the quotes from him on the subject are simply "I will do what they ask of me and won't be a distraction" and "In a 3-4 I think I am a DE. Looking at the Nose Guards around the league, I am not built like any of them".

This is absurd. You hide behind the blog so that the standards of journalistic integrity need not apply. You rely on unnamed sources Close to this or that without a name or a direct quote. Report the damned news and stop trying t create it. When Haynesworth says something that is in line with what you have been reporting, fine, but until you produce a quote, you have nothing.

Under performing? Our sack total as a team went from 24 to 40 and we produced 2 double digit sack guys, one a rook and the other a guy who never had double digit sacks as a Skin. You know who gets the credit? The guy who played more snaps on the D Line than any Redskin. Albert Haynesworth. People calling him under performing have no idea what they are watching when the watch a football game.

Posted by: keino83 | May 8, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Josh Beckett is what when a coward plays a sport.

You can hide behind, "I lost my control," but somehow you have enough of it to throw two pitches up and in at the same spot.

If he played football and took a cheap shot at a guy, someone would gladly take a $15,000 fine just to remind him it's not easy to hit guys when they can hit back.

And for those red sawx fans who say hit batsmen are apart of the game, let's see what happens today when CC takes out Youkilis, Cameron, Lowell, Drew, Ortiz, or Beltre.

Ooops: I forgot, the idea is to hit guys who are actually good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else feel screwed?

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 8, 2010 11:45 AM

No. Very few fans buy tickets so the cost to most of us is zero. And Direct TV charges the same whether Haynesworth plays for the Redskins or not.

But even for the ticket-buyers you haven't considered the fact that the Redskins are a monopoly. Monopolists set prices based on the demand curve, to maximize revenues, and only partly based on their cost curve. (MR=MC, and Haynesworth is overhead, not a marginal cost.) The demand for tickets (MR) is independent of what they pay Haynesworth, unless you believe that people are willing to pay more for a ticket with Haynesworth playing than otherwise.

Snyder is eating most of the cost of Haynesworth, not the Redskins fans, and his salary is not a "fleecing of Redskins nation."

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"How so?"

Won't do what his bosses want.

Won't stay in shape.

Won't play every down.

Won't give 100%.

Dude has no clue about reality. It's not all his fault mind you, Snyder gave him all of that money.

It's just a crying shame that someone who makes as much money as he does isn't more greatful to the people who pay him that.

Not to mention the fans who wear his jersey.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 8, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

So no one recalls why WR Charlie Brown who was our best deep threat, had made All-Pro was suddenly traded in the prime of his career?
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Downtown Charlie Brown had back-back Pro Bowl seasons in '82-'83. He then got hurt early in '84 and missed most of the season. (18 catches). That is the main reason that the Skins traded with the Raiders for Calvin Muhammad at mid-season.

The next year, if I remember right, Brown expressed some dissatisfaction with the front office over a new contract and had become rather a poison pill/troublemaker in the locker room. So the Skins traded him to Atlanta, as Muhammad had a pretty decent season filling in for him and was to be the new starting WR opposite Monk.

He had one good season in Atlanta (62 catches in 1986, if I remember right) then retired. I do think because of injury.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Make that, I do NOT think because of injury.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

This is too funny...I'm starting to see this blog and the ESPN NFC East blog by Matt "Hate the Skins" Mosely are mainly the only places who keep reporting "with Sources" about Big AL.

Funny thing is just 2 weeks ago I read (wish I still had link) an interview with Big Al saying how he was fine with the 3 -4 now that he understands how they will use him. He admitted not liking it at first but now after talking with teammates and haslett he was cool with it.

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

That's a mighty long river in Egypt dude

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 8, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

That's a mighty long river in Egypt dude

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 8, 2010 1:17 PM

Proving that if you ask a stupid question you'll get a stupid answer.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It's 1:45 Eastern and still no Haynesworth post today? WTF? Reid, I'm feenin! I need to read (for the 1000th time) how bad his attitude is. Commmoooooo-oooonnnnn!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 8, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

It's not just J Reid and ESPN reporting this story. There is a story out on the AP wire along this front. It was picked up by at least 50 major and smaller news outlets, see here for example in the Houston Chronicle (this just cites the wire story verbatim with no local byline)

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6994941.html

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss had left knee scoped

Posted by Evan Silva on May 8, 2010 2:18 PM ET
Redskins wide receiver Santana Moss is sitting out Redskins voluntary minicamp this weeked after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his left knee.

Moss revealed to the Washington Post that the knee has bothered him for the last three seasons. He is expected to be back by training camp.

Moss hasn't missed a game in two years, but the surgery is a concern for the Redskins. Washington's top wide receiver turns 31 next month, and the team's depth chart behind him is ugly.

At the same time -- assuming Moss' recovery goes as planned -- his absence could be a blessing in disguise. Slow-to-develop youngsters Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly will see increased reps as they learn new head coach Mike Shanahan's offense.

Moss is targeting June OTAs for his return.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 8, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I've successfully eliminated Lisa_R and Chia_Pet from da blog.

If anyone has a hit_list just post it and I will rid da blog of them as well.

Please spare me the lame retorts, cuz I ain't goin nowheres.

Posted by: Risa_L | May 8, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey cow, I like the idea of having a "steak" in the arguments. I don't feel particularly strongly about this one, so how's about this: loser signs off each post with a haynesworth-based moniker for a month rather than change the permanent handle. You know, ala CLEGG, except something clever and funny.

So I'm sayin he's here week one. You in? I've grown rather fond of the friendly neighborhood blog cow, hate to see it go.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 8, 2010 10:08 AM

hey Romo, apologies for not getting back earlier. sounds good to me... neither of us knows what will happen, but things should be a little more fun that way.

so if I understand the terms, you're saying that the loser adds a humiliating AH related signature to each post for the month following the season opener. agreed that it's easier than changing handles, and will cut down on confusion a la "beep-beep", "Risa_L", and such.

should we select those now? open to ideas, but haven't come up with anything yet. maybe other posters can chip in with some sufficiently humiliating suggestions.

the bet is on, cheers!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So where is all this crap coming from AGAIN?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

That's a mighty long river in Egypt dude

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 8, 2010 1:17 PM

Proving that if you ask a stupid question you'll get a stupid answer.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

proving that you ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer and to complete it all..You get a stupid comment

Posted by: leevi98 | May 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | May 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

So no one recalls why WR Charlie Brown who was our best deep threat, had made All-Pro was suddenly traded in the prime of his career?
And notice he only played two more seasons after the trade.
Did he have a career-ending injury in Atlanta?
If not, that might explain why he was traded.
Anyone recall?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 8, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Brown was on the decline and had some injury issues...he really only had 1 or 2 good seasons....I beleive they had also signed Gary Clark and ricky Sansers that same off season....So brown was out with those guys and Monk

Posted by: leevi98 | May 8, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth had problems remaining disciplined in the 4-3 defense Blache ran, so how is he going to maintain responsibility for standing up blockers in a 3-4? It isn't just about his preference, it is also about his ability. The guy has yet to demonstrate he can sacrifice for the team. I say trade him for whatever and get on with life. He'll be a distraction, if not, and along with the distraction he will be ineffective.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I've successfully eliminated Lisa_R and Chia_Pet from da blog.

If anyone has a hit_list just post it and I will rid da blog of them as well.

Please spare me the lame retorts, cuz I ain't goin nowheres.

Posted by: Risa_L | May 8, 2010 2:25 PM
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Blog nazi... no blog for you, and for you!!!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

beeps.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea. Lets trade Haynesworth to Oakland for Jason Campbell

Posted by: salbright | May 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"In such a role, Haynesworth wouldn't make many big plays, which is what he enjoys most, "......

What big plays?? Haynesworth only takes up space when he is on the field, which is NOT often.

He is a joke and does not care about anything but the stupid contract that Danny Boy signed him to. Cut his large skill-less, uncaring big rear-end and start with people who want to play. Not just be here in DC but wants to play. That is a novel idea for any free agent the 'Skins should ever sign. It is readily apparent that the old Danny Boy ways will/would NEVER work.

Enough with Haynesworth get rid of him. Guaranteed money is the worst thing EVER for sports.

Posted by: mrcox54 | May 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Stay out of the man's pocket Jason Reid!!! You really don't know what the heck is going on. All your doing is creating drama within the organization. We have already picked up a nose tackle in free agency so why are you writing these lies???

Posted by: hightek82 | May 8, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If the insider's are reading this , please stop sending J Reid any email, stop calling him because very time you do that we are punished with the same old story. Jason, please note that "when you are paid for something, you have absolutely no choice as to what your employer wants you to do. I assume Washington post can make you cover oil spill story if the editor wanted to ... Second , please change your insiders who are close to Fat Albert, because he has said on several occasion on other reliable sources that he is ok with 3-4 and he will do what Redskins wants him to do. So please stop writting about the same old stuff!

Posted by: maz3 | May 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If the insider's are reading this , please stop sending J Reid any email, stop calling him because very time you do that we are punished with the same old story. Jason, please note that "when you are paid for something, you have absolutely no choice as to what your employer wants you to do. I assume Washington post can make you cover oil spill story if the editor wanted to ... Second , please change your insiders who are close to Fat Albert, because he has said on several occasion on other reliable sources that he is ok with 3-4 and he will do what Redskins wants him to do. So please stop writting about the same old stuff!

Posted by: maz3 | May 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If the insider's are reading this , please stop sending J Reid any email, stop calling him because very time you do that we are punished with the same old story. Jason, please note that "when you are paid for something, you have absolutely no choice as to what your employer wants you to do. I assume Washington post can make you cover oil spill story if the editor wanted to ... Second , please change your insiders who are close to Fat Albert, because he has said on several occasion on other reliable sources that he is ok with 3-4 and he will do what Redskins wants him to do. So please stop writting about the same old stuff!

Posted by: maz3 | May 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If the insider's are reading this , please stop sending J Reid any email, stop calling him because very time you do that we are punished with the same old story. Jason, please note that "when you are paid for something, you have absolutely no choice as to what your employer wants you to do. I assume Washington post can make you cover oil spill story if the editor wanted to ... Second , please change your insiders who are close to Fat Albert, because he has said on several occasion on other reliable sources that he is ok with 3-4 and he will do what Redskins wants him to do. So please stop writting about the same old stuff!

Posted by: maz3 | May 8, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

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