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Albert Haynesworth fails conditioning test again [updated]

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has failed his conditioning test for a second day in a row, team sources say. The team hit the practice field for the second day of training camp Friday morning, and Haynesworth was not among the group that took the field for the start
of practice.

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Haynesworth would not be allowed to practice until he first passed the team's conditioning test. Haynesworth made his first attempt at the test on Thursday morning but couldn't pass.

In his comments following Thursday's practice, Shanahan didn't seem like he'd be willing to ease up on the test requirements. It's believed Haynesworth was required to complete two 300-yard shuttle sprints.

"It may take a week," Shanahan said. "We don't know. ...The only thing I can tell you is that when he does pass the test, I'll feel very good that he can go out there and compete at that position."

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By Rick Maese  |  July 30, 2010; 8:36 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , training camp  
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Comments

Good Job coach!!!

Posted by: hanimal03 | July 30, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

FIRST TO SAY O SH-T

Posted by: robertg238 | July 30, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

FIRST TO SAY O SH-T

Posted by: robertg238 | July 30, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse


AH has been served. Now it's on. Oh, it's on.

It's time for AH to grow up, that's all. And hopefully he will.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Boom. Roasted.

Bust his fat ass into shape...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Shanny says that he's doing this to protect AH from injury and to make sure he's in shape. But how does he know that any of the other players are in shape since it's been almost a month since OTAs? Answer: He doesn't.

This is about making an example of AH. And although AH deserves to be criticizes for the crap he pulled in the past, this type of move by Shanny could backfire on him.

Posted by: ufojoe1 | July 30, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I see the Steelers are the club that finally bit and signed Flozell Adams.

For my other guess, it's that Albert crash-dieted to lose the 35-40 lbs and hasn't got his stamina back yet. My original thought was that it might take him a week to get to practice and so far that seems to be a reasonable projection.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

three days mandatory OTA missed = three days "conditioning test"?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


This little fella Banks, any posibility of him dodging tacklers, returning punts. Speed kills you know.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why anybody would worry about Haynesworth anchoring a spot on that line. He's never been a full-time player. About half the defensive snaps in Tennessee, right? So what difference does it make if he starts, as long as he comes in on passing downs? Hard to imagine Haslett doesn't think along the same lines.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse


This is about making an example of AH. And although AH deserves to be criticizes for the crap he pulled in the past, this type of move by Shanny could backfire on him.

Posted by: ufojoe1

Why so ? He's the head coach, seems to have the players respect, and soon will have AH's respect. Get AH in the shape he should be in, and not the shape we saw last year.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh, now I can hear Wise making his boo-hoo remarks. Shut the f_ up Wise. Shanahan knows what he is doing. Haynesworth is used to getting his way and he needs to know there is a new sheriff in town, that he cannot go crying to the owner because the owner isn't listening, and that man on the sidelines during practice is the guy who you need to listen to. I figure Shanahan is going to give him a few more days of this.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 30, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The thing I find most impressive about the Silverback signing is early in the off season TW said that if he holds out it would be for "no more then 1 day". Sure enough he lived up to his words.
Now start throwing RAK and all the vets at him, get the silverback ready for the flow of pro bowl DE he faces this year...

Posted by: Stu27 | July 30, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan needs to drop the Napoleon complex and let it go. The point has been made. Drop it. Haynesworth is in camp, so it's time to get him on the field and practicing with his teammates.

Posted by: baskert | July 30, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

ufojoe,
I don't think participation in OTAs is the barometer. It is the offseason training program, which is a significant commitment.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | July 30, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm glad Shanny's doing it. Shows who's in charge. Plus, if he's so in shape, this wouldn't be an issue.

Posted by: bostskin | July 30, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Editor:

Absence of AH92 does not automatically equate to test failure.

Need details.

Did he need to take another dump?

Did he "kill it" the first time again, then walk through the second?

Has he been instructed to take it easy, lest he injure himself, pending outcome of trade talks?

We need facts, man, not suppositions.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

After today, I am not one that will continue to applaud this mandate from Shanahan. This has been a tactic of his against players that have challenged him. We get it coach, you're pissed. However, at some point AH has to integrated into the team ans start working with his linemates on the field. At some point, keeping him isolated is only leading to more distractions than necessary. Let's figure a way to make lemonade out of this lemon.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse


I figure Shanahan is going to give him a few more days of this.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

It's believed Haynesworth was required to complete two 300-yard shuttle sprints.

Good thing for AH it's not Ditka coaching the team, or he'd have to run these shuttle sprints up hill.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"This is about making an example of AH. And although AH deserves to be criticizes for the crap he pulled in the past, this type of move by Shanny could backfire on him."

Posted by: ufojoe1

It will backfire on him because Albert has already been paid. AH is probably in better shape than any offensive or defensive tackle on that team, but this is the game that Shanny wants to play. Any goodwill AH might have been inclined to build is slowly dying. Next, AH is going to start complaining about some phantom injury. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Remember: Haynesworth has already received the choicest nuggets from his fat contract. Dumb move, Shanahan!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If Fat Albert doesn't like it , let him quit. No one has him imprisoned at Redskins Park. Let him see if he can make $100 million doing something else.
suck it up , Fat boy ! There are thousands of other guys who would play for free to even have the opportunity to make the team. I'll bet most of THEM could do the 300 yeard shuttle run. This is also about the rest of the team and NEXT year. If the coach allowed FA back with no hell to pay for skipping all the OTAs and Mini camp, how mant guys would pull the same crap NEXT year ?

Posted by: jmsbh | July 30, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Poor reporting and editing. What are the requirements? How much time does he have to complete the 300 yards? As he was judged to have taken "too much time" between his attempts yesterday, how much time is he allowed between his efforts? Are these runs the only standards by which he is judged to be fit to practice or are there others, such as weight rep minimums?
Thanks, but if you're going to cover this story, cover it right.

Posted by: cbeno | July 30, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

It has been years since players were held accountable. The country club atmosphere has been one of the main reasons we are a losing team. As long as Fatsworth is practicing by Monday I have no issue with what he is doing.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 30, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm glad Shanny's doing it. Shows who's in charge. Plus, if he's so in shape, this wouldn't be an issue.

Posted by: bostskin

Did you not read the comments made by other players yesterday? They don't think they would have been able to pass the test either despite being there for the whole offseason program. Plus the offseason program ended a month ago and we both know that conditioning can be lost rapidly. Shanny is showing that he may have the all too common ability to win the battle but lose the war.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I guess there will always be people who defend the guilty and disparage the people who are trying to do their job properly. 100 million and he can't be bothered to come to camp in shape, but that's okay with some of you fools. Makes me wonder what kind of lives you are living.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I cant understand why people all offseason have said that they trust what BA and Shanny are doing, we have a proven coach and a proven GM so we should let them do what they believe is best. Yet when training camp starts and Shanny handles a situation people begin to question him and say that he shouldnt be doing this or he should be doing that. The guy is a pro and has found his training camp methods to be the most effective. Why all the questioning of his tactics at this point when perv its been to let him/them do his thing?

Posted by: Stu27 | July 30, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse


Shanahan needs to drop the Napoleon complex and let it go. The point has been made. Drop it. Haynesworth is in camp, so it's time to get him on the field and practicing with his teammates.

Posted by: baskert

Not only will AH be in football shape, but all the rookies eyes are on this spectacle. And learn from it they will. Besides, do you want AH in the same shape he was last year ?
Also, this could be the proof that $nyder has finally conceded and has handed over control of football operations to Allen and Shanahan.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

This is also about the rest of the team and NEXT year. If the coach allowed FA back with no hell to pay for skipping all the OTAs and Mini camp, how mant guys would pull the same crap NEXT year ?

Posted by: jmsbh | July 30, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse


How stupid do you think the players are? If we as fans can get the message that one shouldn't f*uck with Shanahan, don't you thin the players do as well. After all they are privy to a bunch more stuff that we aren't. The message has been received, just listen to what the players say in their interview, the next step is to move on and get the team focused on Dallas and not what's going on with AH.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Shanny says that he's doing this to protect AH from injury and to make sure he's in shape. But how does he know that any of the other players are in shape since it's been almost a month since OTAs? Answer: He doesn't.

This is about making an example of AH. And although AH deserves to be criticizes for the crap he pulled in the past, this type of move by Shanny could backfire on him.

Posted by: ufojoe1 | July 30, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you've made your point, you're just stirring the pot Shanny, in the wrong way. Albert's gonna throw another fit soon and leave, then they'll cut him and won't be able to utilize him just because he couldn't pass some dumb test? I don't know, kinda on the fence about this.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 30, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"I guess there will always be people who defend the guilty and disparage the people who are trying to do their job properly. 100 million and he can't be bothered to come to camp in shape, but that's okay with some of you fools. Makes me wonder what kind of lives you are living."

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 9:14 AM

Not very bright, are you? How many other players passed that test? NONE!! You don't know if a single player on the Redskins is in shape right now. Not one. Stop the hypocrisy!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse


@TWISI

After today, I am not one that will continue to applaud this mandate from Shanahan.

Patients my man, it's only the second day of camp. You're forgetting how long AH left Shanahan out to dry. What goes around .........

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"srobert, I can't believe you even brought up Jammal Brown...can't hold a guy responsible for being at OTAs when he's not even on the team yet."

I think you're missing the point re: Jammal Brown. The justification given for making AH pass the test was that since he didn't participate in OTAs, the 'Skins want to make sure that he's in shape before they let him practice. Well, the same rationale should apply to Brown. I'm pretty sure that he didn't participate in the Saints' OTAs, and, as you point out, he wasn't on the roster during the 'Skins' off-season workouts.

The reason that Brown isn't being required to take the test is, of course, because the "make sure that he's fit" rationale is bogus. IMO, Shanahan is doing this for two reasons: to punish AH for missing OTAs and to send a message to the rest of the players that this will happen to you if you stay away from Redskins Park during the off-season. Shanahan can't come out and say this because under the CBA, OTAs are voluntary and teams can't punish players for not taking part in them. But there's no reason that we can't call this what it really is: a penalty for not taking part in OTAs.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

After today, I am not one that will continue to applaud this mandate from Shanahan. This has been a tactic of his against players that have challenged him. We get it coach, you're pissed. However, at some point AH has to integrated into the team ans start working with his linemates on the field. At some point, keeping him isolated is only leading to more distractions than necessary. Let's figure a way to make lemonade out of this lemon.

Posted by: TWISI

Wow Twisi. Now you know better than M Shanahan about how to coach players? If you don't like it we could always hire another Zorn.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

to whom much is given, much is expected.....

Belichick would probably be doing the same thing....

Shanny is showing them he's not to be trifled with....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

If AH was properly conditioned as was expected of him then this wouldn't be an issue. AH can only blame himself every time he fails. In the end, when he eventually passes this test he should be in great shape and I will feel more confident that he can't play a football game without getting carted off for being winded.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | July 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you've made your point, you're just stirring the pot Shanny, in the wrong way. Albert's gonna throw another fit soon and leave, then they'll cut him and won't be able to utilize him just because he couldn't pass some dumb test? I don't know, kinda on the fence about this.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 30, 2010 9:19 AM

Haynesworth won't just leave. He'll force the Redskins to pay him for doing nothing by coming up with a "nagging injury" or he'll just give everything less than 100% if this continues. Shanny will ultimately lose if he drags this out.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Dude knew he would have to complete a conditioning test when he arrived... and he also knew the allowable times for getting it done.

That he came in unprepared to do it is nothing more than another reflection of AH92's lack of professionalism and commitment to the program.

Am hoping the team will soon place AH92 on the Physically Unable to Perform list -- get another playe in there who is interested in doing the job -- and get on with the business of recouping at least part of the Dude's money for failure to live up to his end of the deal.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

@RedSkinhead - "and he needs to know there is a new sheriff in town"

And his name is Reggie Hammond! Right on.

Posted by: Bebunk | July 30, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth couldn't complete this version of the conditioning test (meaning the version where he didn't have to take a sh** in the middle of it), then that's all on him.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

How many other players passed that test? NONE!! You don't know if a single player on the Redskins is in shape right now. Not one. Stop the hypocrisy!!

Posted by: gtown85

I hear ya, and this was sort of what I was alluding to yesterday. But was told since Haynesworth wasn't in camp it's the reason why he's required to run this quasi draconian drill.

I think there is no "requirement" to pass this test. I think Shanahan will keep this up until he feels that Albert has made up for lost time by not being at OTAs.

I agree with posse, I'm on the fence as well. Yeah, it shows that with Shanahan the bucks stops with him (something that may resonate with Haynesworth) but at the same time, dude is here and ready to work. Set aside the hurt feelings and bravado and get to work.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, I don't get how you're spinning this to be on Shanahan...I mean, this about Haynesworth. If he was doing what he's supposed to do, he's not out there running gassers. Cause and effect, my man. IF Haynesworth at a bare minimum comes to mandatory camp, THEN Shanahan isn't making him run wind sprints.

Don't feel sorry for the guy just because he looks all pitiful and alone on the far side of the field. He's not the victim.

The guys on NFL Total Access make a valid point...why the f*ck did AH have to go back into the facility to use the bathroom? Warren Sapp (another sloppy, fat nasty who played DT just like AH) even said, once he left the locker room he's ready to roll. If you gotta go, whip it out and let it out on the fence behind the field. A professional athlete shouldn't have to go potty mere minutes after hitting the field.

It's all on AH, fellas. Shanahan is in the midst of changing the culture at Redskins Park. If AH is gonna be a part of this team, he's gonna have to change his ways as well.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Albert's gonna throw another fit soon and leave, then they'll cut him and won't be able to utilize him just because he couldn't pass some dumb test?

so, just let the inmates run the asylum?? Should we see if JZorn can get out of his contract with the Ravens?? Anyone have Spurrier on speed dial??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 30, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse


Alright already, let Shanahan handle AH. As far as I'm concerned, this is between AH and Shanahan, and not the rest of the team, nor all the folks that defend this immature moron.

If hessone can get on board, just think what a fool you sound like if you're not on board with coach !! Jeez.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow Twisi. Now you know better than M Shanahan about how to coach players? If you don't like it we could always hire another Zorn.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 30, 2010 9:21 AM

Try not being an arse, not matter how difficult it is for you. I have an opinion on how I would handle this situation. Where did you get that I know better than Shanahan. Unlike you, I am not just going to accept everything done by him or Bruce to be the end all to be all. They are human not God. They can be questioned, unless you are unwilling to use your own intellect about the going on of this team. Grow up, be a man, and form your own opinion.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"Am hoping the team will soon place AH92 on the Physically Unable to Perform list -- get another playe in there who is interested in doing the job -- and get on with the business of recouping at least part of the Dude's money for failure to live up to his end of the deal."

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 9:23 AM

Vic, that money is gone. They'll never get it back AND they'll be paying AH until they cut him.

Like I said before, there no evidence that even one person on the team is "in shape" or in any better shape that Haynesworth. It's okay to stop the hypocrisy.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

those players that participated were given a pass on this conditioning test. He wasn't there. Have you forgotten, even his teammates called him out, even LFB.
Can't believe how soft so many of todays youth have become.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 30, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

meh...

Pantomime time....

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 30, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth won't just leave. He'll force the Redskins to pay him for doing nothing by coming up with a "nagging injury" or he'll just give everything less than 100% if this continues. Shanny will ultimately lose if he drags this out.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

_____________________________

You act like he cares... If it wasn't for 21 million, he wouldn't be on the team right now. Now we know why Shanny said "we'll see." He embarrassed him, so Shanny is going to take great pleasure in this until Albert passes the test. Then his attitude from that point will determine his future with the Redskins.

Posted by: tony325 | July 30, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

FA also lost much of his bargaining power by skipping the mandatory mini camp in that neither of the next two year's of his contract are now guaranteed. Previously, they were to the tune of about $9 million. If cut, then I would assume that FA would just have to live on the $32 mill or so that he has "stolen" so far.

Posted by: tkbrown63 | July 30, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Alright already, let Shanahan handle AH. As far as I'm concerned, this is between AH and Shanahan, and not the rest of the team, nor all the folks that defend this immature moron.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:30 AM

I disagree that Shanny is immature.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

dude is here and ready to work. Set aside the hurt feelings and bravado and get to work.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 9:28 AM


Seems to me, AH is here to make sure he collects his check. If he were ready to work, he'd have passed the test. Or at a minimum, not had to "take his talents to South Beach" in the middle of the test.

So it appears that he's not ready to work. But Shanahan is gonna make sure he is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Laughing all the way...

Posted by: whocares666 | July 30, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you've made your point, you're just stirring the pot Shanny, in the wrong way. Albert's gonna throw another fit soon and leave, then they'll cut him and won't be able to utilize him just because he couldn't pass some dumb test? I don't know, kinda on the fence about this.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 30, 2010 9:19 AM

Haynesworth won't just leave. He'll force the Redskins to pay him for doing nothing by coming up with a "nagging injury" or he'll just give everything less than 100% if this continues. Shanny will ultimately lose if he drags this out.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, agreed.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 30, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Love how all the brothers on here want Shanny to take it easy on AH - and all the honkies on here want Shanny to keep it up....

Oh and Red- your momma came through again last night.....

Posted by: richard_cranium | July 30, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Not only will AH be in football shape, but all the rookies eyes are on this spectacle. And learn from it they will. Besides, do you want AH in the same shape he was last year ?
Also, this could be the proof that $nyder has finally conceded and has handed over control of football operations to Allen and Shanahan.

Posted by: hessone

His failing the conditioning tests likely has nothing to do with being in shape. Haynesworth was going to fail the tests regardless of what shape he was in. Shanahan wants to make an example out of him. The point has been made. Get him on the field so he can start learning the new defense.

Posted by: baskert | July 30, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Shanny says that he's doing this to protect AH from injury and to make sure he's in shape. But how does he know that any of the other players are in shape since it's been almost a month since OTAs? Answer: He doesn't.

This is about making an example of AH. And although AH deserves to be criticizes for the crap he pulled in the past, this type of move by Shanny could backfire on him.

Posted by: ufojoe1
---------------

Mike Florio, is that you?

Posted by: LadyMac | July 30, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Man, Shanny is no joke.

Not a guy you want to mess with.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 30, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Grow up, be a man, and form your own opinion.

Posted by: TWISI

I did voice my opinion and if you would read it I implied you think you know better than a proven winning NFL HC in Shanahan. I also didn't revert to name calling like you. That is a sure sign of higher intellect right Twisi?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 30, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse


Like I said before, there no evidence that even one person on the team is "in shape" or in any better shape that Haynesworth. It's okay to stop the hypocrisy.

Posted by: gtown85

You better hope all the players are in shape. And AH better get in shape. No hypocrisy in my comments, are there ?

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Love how all the brothers on here want Shanny to take it easy on AH - and all the honkies on here want Shanny to keep it up....


honkies....hahahahaha...1970 called...

Anyway,you're a doosh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 30, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Can't believe how soft so many of todays youth have become.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

Loud and clear !!

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Patients my man, it's only the second day of camp. You're forgetting how long AH left Shanahan out to dry. What goes around .........

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:20 AM

I just don't want this to drag out for an extended time, so I'm staking my point.

---------------------------------------------

It's all on AH, fellas. Shanahan is in the midst of changing the culture at Redskins Park. If AH is gonna be a part of this team, he's gonna have to change his ways as well.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:29 AM |

That's great regarding the change of culture. I fine with a little of this "hazing". However, I don't want it to become a test of egos. At some point it becomes who does Shanny want to beat up more AH or the Cowboys.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad Silverback is signed. Can't wait to se how the 1st team offensive line performs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

For those speaking with either sarcasm or maybe just don't understand: Who is siding with Haynesworth? Who hasn't acknowledged wrongdoing on Hayneswoth's part? WHO?

You CAN'T answer because NO ONE has said ANYTHING resembling that! All people are doing, that aren't ballwaxing Shanahan, are giving you both sides of the coin. It's called an objective opinion. Those who are claiming that Haynesworth is being defended up here are the same ones who've been ripping the guy for weeks. Try and removing the anti-Haynesworth biased shades for all of 3 seconds!

Goddamn, it's like whatever Shanahan does it's golden, can't be questioned, and are the original 10 commandments from Mt. Sinai. Sorry folks, but Shanahan ain't god or some supernatural coach, he CAN and WILL be questioned. Get the fu_k over it!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

B
Fat A disappoints AGAIN! Surprise, surprise.
GREAT conditioning guru you had there Fatty.

Posted by: pd2710 | July 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't seen Don Banks' look at training camp, it's a really good read:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/07/29/redskins.postcard/index.html

Definitely better than anything RI has put up in the last 3 years...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"How much time does he have to complete the 300 yards?"

Exactly.

You can lose weight and still be out of shape which I am sure Albert is. And for all of you Big Al butt-kissers, (and I mean YOU Mike Wise), he took the check and if this is what Shanny wants him to do then so be it!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this is a very divisive issue. I still back Shanny on this one though...although I do see the point that this could backfire on him, if it (multiple attempts at taking the test for FA) continues.

FA's claim was he was working out on his own and would be ready for TC. He shows up approximately 35 lbs lighter. Compared to last year, he's in better shape (not a hard task to do), but still not in the condition he needs to be in - to play the majority of the time...which I feel is point a few people are missing.

FA is used to playing a down or two and being taken out for a bit and coming back in. That's something that was started in TN and allowed to continue when he came here last year. Obviously, Shanny sees it differently, and expects FA to play more downs. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that.

HTTR!!!

Posted by: Southernbelle_aurora | July 30, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"You act like he cares... If it wasn't for 21 million, he wouldn't be on the team right now. Now we know why Shanny said "we'll see." He embarrassed him, so Shanny is going to take great pleasure in this until Albert passes the test. Then his attitude from that point will determine his future with the Redskins."

Posted by: tony325 | July 30, 2010 9:34 AM

You act like I said he cares. I didn't.
Question for you, Tony: What if AH decides he's never going to pass the test?

Like him or not, AH has a brain and can use it to devise a plan of his own to derail Shanahan's. As you said, AH doesn't want to be here. I repeat: This is a dumb move by Shanahan!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I did voice my opinion and if you would read it I implied you think you know better than a proven winning NFL HC in Shanahan. I also didn't revert to name calling like you. That is a sure sign of higher intellect right Twisi?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 30, 2010 9:39 AM

Never said I had higher intellect than you, I don't know you. Just said you're being an arse.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Love how all the brothers on here want Shanny to take it easy on AH - and all the honkies on here want Shanny to keep it up....


honkies....hahahahaha...1970 called...

Anyway,you're a doosh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 30, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

jive a** turkey

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 30, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't want it to become a test of egos.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:41 AM

Too late... this has been a test of egos since the beginning.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan's ego is completely out of control. He has proven his point - now let Big Al get on the field - where he can help the team! Seriously, Shanahan, is proving a point more important to you than winning football games????

Big Al will never have to run two 300-yard shuttle sprints in a game. Derrick Dockery said last night that he would not pass this test either.

Get over yourself, Shanahan, and get the player on the field.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 30, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Well just when we thought the circus had left town we now see it hasn't and there is a new ringmaster instead. I mean come on we all know this is Shanahan's way of showing Albert who's in charge, can we now move on as it is a bit annoying everyday to hear whether or not Albert will be here or will Albert pass the conditioning test etc.,

No matter what there only always seem to be nothing but negativity coming from Redskin park. Is this the only thing that journalism is built on these days is the negative aspect of everything whether in TV, print or radio everyone digs for the negative stories as if there is no good stories to talk about...let's beat ground today and talk about the good going on at practice the signing of Trent Williams and give up the sky is falling mentality journalism...

Posted by: papaskynz | July 30, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I rarely listen to LaVar's show, but when I heard what was going on yesterday I tuned in. Arrington had some great stuff to say about this situation as its similar to what he did before.

I highly recommend listening to the podcast of that.

Summery is this, when you piss off the coaches or the team and you give them a reason to look for an excuse, this is what they do. They drill you, they drill you some more.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 30, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

brown, you act like that test or drill is the norm. How do you know that ANY of the other linemen can pass that test?

From what I've heard this is basically the drill you have to run with Shanahan if you don't do the required OTAs.

Again, there aren't any requirements to pass this drill. Shanahan will run Albert until he feels that he's made up for lost time.

And that is where the battle of ego's are coming into play.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Stupid Shanahan! Treating that man like a slave. Make Shanahan run shuttle sprints!

Posted by: TheChampishere | July 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

At some point it becomes who does Shanny want to beat up more AH or the Cowboys.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:41 AM


Dude, it's Day 2 of training camp. If AH is still running gassers going into the first preseason game, then we can chalk this up Shanahan's ego running wild. Making him sweat (literally and figuratively) thru the weekend is showing him (and the team) who's boss.

Red, I'm fine with questioning Shanahan, I just don't think this is the topic to do it. He's gonna look like a raging a-hole right now because he's gotta instill some discipline here. So I applaud what he's doing with AH not because I wanna see him pay, but because I know it's what he needs to be the player we paid $100 million for.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Relax. This is only the first part of the movie, about 10 minutes after the new guy hires his good-natured gang of coaches, about seven minutes after the new guy and his new staff come into the locker room saying there's a new sheriff in town.

Look for a steady theme of shuttle-run outtakes interspersed in the final cut of the film.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"You better hope all the players are in shape. And AH better get in shape. No hypocrisy in my comments, are there ?"

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:39 AM

Clearly, Shanny is "hoping" 84 players are in shape and making 1 (one) prove it. Sorry, the hypocrisy is stunning (on his part and yours)!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Is Mike Wise intentionally trying to be the dumbest WaPo columnist? I think it probably takes more than one day to break a prima donna like AH...I can't believe anyone is even close to feeling sorry for Haynesworth. He's the highest paid player on the team by far and hasn't earned his $$ yet. If he gets his @ss in line, he'll be fine, might even flourish in the new system. If he doesn't, it'll be a lot of stories like this all season.

It's funny, we have all been dying for a real HC in here since the Misadventures of Jim Zorn was cancelled after 2 seasons, and now we have one and he's being too mean? Come on...

Posted by: mattylight | July 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"I also didn't revert to name calling like you."


No, because talking in hyperbole and sarcasm are leaps and bounds above name calling and should be viewed upon in the brightest of lights and intellect.


smfh....

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

This is bogus. This is nothing more than Shannahan on get back. He's made his point already, there's no need to push it to the point where he's just being petty. Haynesworth clearly put the work in on his on training program. Everybody has commented on how good he looks and how dramatically different he looks from last year. Running 12 50s isn't even close to a breeze in the park. It's completely anarobic meaning aerobic conditioning has jack squat to do with anything. Anyone who thinks differently, try running 4 50s and then make a comment. I hope this works out in the end, but if Shanny continues with this petty vendetta, it might not.

Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse


@TWISI

However, I don't want it to become a test of egos.

AH is going to have to check his ego at the front door of Redskins Park, cuz Coach is in charge. You folks that defend the immature and lazy AH sound like fools, especially after all the times you trashed AH. Now that's hypocrisy gtown85.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Coach is over the top yet in making an example of AH but this sort of behavior is one of the reasons he fell out of favor in Denver. I OK with it to this point but he could be walking a fine line. How many DT's much less nose tackles can complete 2-300yd shuttle runs? I know former pro bowlers like 350 pd Ted Washington or Siragusa definitely couldn't.

Posted by: skinsfan311 | July 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

aside from the mental aspect (which is probably 90% of the game being played here), does anyone know the exact parameters of this "conditioning test"?

so far we've heard something along the lines of two 300 yard shuttle runs (25 yards each direction) with a break between... but any guesses or reporting on the allotted times and duration of the break?

also, I hear the argument about not wanting Shanahan to take this too far... but is it really a big deal for him to piss on AH for a couple of days? pretty mild stuff compared to basic training the men and women in our armed services experience, for *far* less money.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly what this franchise needs. In the old days Fat Al would be even fatter and coddled by the owner. I can see him sashaying over to the owners tent after a drill and getting a cold drink and a cozy sofa to lay down on. Now we have someone who won't take any BS and is whipping him into shape. Fat Al wanted to play chicken and lost. Now he has to ante up or quit. Believe me, everyone on this team is taking notice. The days of favoritism and letting stuff slide is over. I say bravo to Shanny. Make his fat, no account arse run!

Posted by: jimc93 | July 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Not very bright, are you? How many other players passed that test? NONE!! You don't know if a single player on the Redskins is in shape right now. Not one. Stop the hypocrisy!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I know how tough it is for soft guys like you to get the concept of hard work. Must be a generational thing.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

C'mon people, all of you that are saying that no one else had to pass this test is wrong. Yesterday it was reported that all linemen have passed it already. Not only that, but many players don't pass their teams test the first time. Look around the league. Even Thomas and Kelly didn't pass Zorn's test either. Its only national news because of this battle of control going on. He'll pass soon. Do you think BMW could pass while he was losing all his weight? Albert admitted he wasn't in shape last year, and so, he crash dieted and now needs ato get his wind back. Only a non-athlete wouldn't understand this. He'll be better off for it. And by the way, stop this nonsense about Albert not playing 50% of the snaps, he played in 70% of all snaps last year and was second only to CArter on the defense for linemen. THats not as bad as everyone says. Big Al is a baby, yes, but not hopeless. His meetings with the coaches show he is embarrassed by all of this.

Posted by: razor25 | July 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If it's a battle of egos, Shanahan will win. He's the established coach with a track record of success. Haynesworthless is the one who needs to prove himself. There's no question im my mind that Shanahan's doing this to make it clear he's the one in charge and that's a good thing.

Posted by: 1fasthoo | July 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

make him run! Make him sweat until he can pass that test! He's been slacking all spring and summer and now he has to pay the piper. Backfire? The better shape he's in, the better for the team

Posted by: fansince78 | July 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"This is nothing more than Shannahan on get back."

He took the check.

If that's what the Redskins want him to do so be it.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It's funny, we have all been dying for a real HC in here since the Misadventures of Jim Zorn was cancelled after 2 seasons, and now we have one and he's being too mean? Come on...

Posted by: mattylight | July 30, 2010 9:51 AM

The two situations have nothing to do with each other. Shanny would have won the war anyway by simply telling AH to line up at nose tackle. That simple. It would have told everyone that it doesn't matter how much you fight it, you will play the position I say you will play. Shanny has weakened his position with this sophomoric stunt.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

This AH bull is 'Skins MO since Snyder took over. Whether it is Snyder or Shanny making the call - it is still the same dumb stuff that we go through every training camp. Shanny is not going to break AH, he is just widening the divide between them. Is Shanny's desire to make it clear who is in charge worth a couple of wins? Ego over wins? I'll take wins every time. On another note, fans at practice yesterday were hollering for JC after a few errant passes by McNugget. The trade for McNugget was a typical Snyder move and letting JC go for nothing was another Snyder/Vinnie move. Is Shanny running things? Or is he another Snyder puppet? Time will tell....

Posted by: SPUD2 | July 30, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:49 AM

I realize what day it is. I think I prefaced that I am fine with AH not practicing the first two days of camp. I don't think he should be running gassers this weekend. Get him on the field with the team.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


Like him or not, AH has a brain and can use it to devise a plan of his own to derail Shanahan's. As you said, AH doesn't want to be here. I repeat: This is a dumb move by Shanahan!

Posted by: gtown85

He already has been carrying out his plan. To bad he only has half a brain to do it with.

I repeat: Shanahan is the coach.

Set of 10 gtown85

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

People are glad we have authoritarian leadership then get mad when that leadership displays their teeth to the threat of their leadership. Pick a side you wanted the coach and were happy to get him now he is doing his thing and its a problem.

Anyways I do feel bad for the frigin second sting O-line he will be facing when he does get out there with his teammates. Just try not to KILL to many of them please AL.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 30, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I know how tough it is for soft guys like you to get the concept of hard work. Must be a generational thing.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Not sure what generation you think is soft, how can you even tell what generation that guy is, other than a guess based on his SN.

Personally as a Generation Y type I love seeing them beating Fat Albert up a bit. I like head coaches that take the "not your friend approach".

Posted by: alex35332 | July 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

WOW, Surprising. LOL

Posted by: askgees | July 30, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

@TWISI

However, I don't want it to become a test of egos.

AH is going to have to check his ego at the front door of Redskins Park, cuz Coach is in charge. You folks that defend the immature and lazy AH sound like fools, especially after all the times you trashed AH. Now that's hypocrisy gtown85.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 9:55 AM |

I am not defending AH. He came in, coach put him through the ringer for a couple of days..fine. Now let's move on.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The guy was paid millions to play for Washington. If he cannot meet physical requirements, he needs to go so the team can use his salary to hire players in shape that really want to play pro-football.

Posted by: saelij | July 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Not very bright, are you? How many other players passed that test? NONE!! You don't know if a single player on the Redskins is in shape right now. Not one. Stop the hypocrisy!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"I know how tough it is for soft guys like you to get the concept of hard work. Must be a generational thing."

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 9:56 AM


I noticed you didn't address my comment about not knowing if a single player is in shape. Your silence is deafening!

Further, the hard work comes when he's on the field pushing, shoving, hitting, tackling, etc. for a couple hours. Conversely, that conditioning test probably takes all of 10-15 minutes. Think, man!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

As far as the selective conditioning test: teams usually do it with any player they suspect may not be in shape. The Ravens did it with the rook Terrence "Mountain" Cody, and I believe he flunked it more than once. Terrence is about the same size as Albert.

As far as Shanahan being petty, he's entitled to a bit, don't you think? Here's a guy that refused every single thing the new coach asked him to do, but used the letter of his contract to run off with $21 mil. That's a bit petty in itself.

Look, Albert wants out, and the Skins would be happy to oblige him if any other club thought he was worth a zhit. So far, no bite. But that could change.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

brown, I don't think what Shanahan is doing is wrong or a "dumb move". I'm not defending Haynesworth or have an ounce of pity of what Shanahan is putting him through. I have no problem if this goes into this weekend (Haynesworth not passing the test/drill)

All I'm saying is that, don't be surprised if this escalates further. After awhile it's going to become clear to Haynesworth that this is just a "F you" stunt on Shanahan's part. This ain't the military where you just have to accept the treatment you receive. Haynesworth has gotten paid 37 MILLION IN SEVENTEEN MONTHS.

Homie is paid, there is no percentage to be gained in putting Haynesworth through this. If this whole thing blows over its because Haynesworth really wants to be here and has maybe seen the error in how he went about things. Not because Shanahan is running him through cones.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

If AH doesn't want to put up with this, he can quit. That's the test.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"srobert, I can't believe you even brought up Jammal Brown...can't hold a guy responsible for being at OTAs when he's not even on the team yet."

I think you're missing the point re: Jammal Brown. The justification given for making AH pass the test was that since he didn't participate in OTAs, the 'Skins want to make sure that he's in shape before they let him practice. Well, the same rationale should apply to Brown. I'm pretty sure that he didn't participate in the Saints' OTAs, and, as you point out, he wasn't on the roster during the 'Skins' off-season workouts.

The reason that Brown isn't being required to take the test is, of course, because the "make sure that he's fit" rationale is bogus. IMO, Shanahan is doing this for two reasons: to punish AH for missing OTAs and to send a message to the rest of the players that this will happen to you if you stay away from Redskins Park during the off-season. Shanahan can't come out and say this because under the CBA, OTAs are voluntary and teams can't punish players for not taking part in them. But there's no reason that we can't call this what it really is: a penalty for not taking part in OTAs.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The reason Brown doesn't have to do the test is because he was required to pass a physical before the team signed him.

Shannahan will make AH suffer this for the mandatory days that he missed. He's not making him suffer for the entire offseason, just for what he was required to attend.

Posted by: SkinsFan771 | July 30, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"srobert, I can't believe you even brought up Jammal Brown...can't hold a guy responsible for being at OTAs when he's not even on the team yet."

I think you're missing the point re: Jammal Brown. The justification given for making AH pass the test was that since he didn't participate in OTAs, the 'Skins want to make sure that he's in shape before they let him practice. Well, the same rationale should apply to Brown. I'm pretty sure that he didn't participate in the Saints' OTAs, and, as you point out, he wasn't on the roster during the 'Skins' off-season workouts.

The reason that Brown isn't being required to take the test is, of course, because the "make sure that he's fit" rationale is bogus. IMO, Shanahan is doing this for two reasons: to punish AH for missing OTAs and to send a message to the rest of the players that this will happen to you if you stay away from Redskins Park during the off-season. Shanahan can't come out and say this because under the CBA, OTAs are voluntary and teams can't punish players for not taking part in them. But there's no reason that we can't call this what it really is: a penalty for not taking part in OTAs.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The reason Brown doesn't have to do the test is because he was required to pass a physical before the team signed him.

Shannahan will make AH suffer this for the mandatory days that he missed. He's not making him suffer for the entire offseason, just for what he was required to attend.

Posted by: SkinsFan771 | July 30, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:42 AM

brownwood, thanks for the Don Banks link... Haslett makes the same point that I tried to make yesterday about AH's lack of leverage in this battle:

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....Haynesworth showing up for work Thursday on time and having dropped his malcontent act represents nothing more than him being able to read the writing on the wall. Washington wasn't getting anything serious in the way of trade offers for him, and his leverage was almost non-existent. If he wanted to keep all $21 million that Washington gave him in April, without the club trying to claw some of it back for being in violation of his contract, it was time to put a semi-smile on his face and don some shoulder pads. It's called making the best of it, and for that kind of jack, it shouldn't be too difficult.

"What leverage?'' Redskins new defensive coordinator Haslett asked, when one local reporter posed a question about Haynesworth using his leverage this offseason. "I don't think he had any leverage at all. Once he took the money, he had to either play for the team or sit.''
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Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The two situations have nothing to do with each other. Shanny would have won the war anyway by simply telling AH to line up at nose tackle. That simple. It would have told everyone that it doesn't matter how much you fight it, you will play the position I say you will play. Shanny has weakened his position with this sophomoric stunt.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah he's definitely weakened his position. Players, after seeing this "sophomoric stunt" will more than likely run wild on Shanny, breaking rules left and right and not respecting his leadership as HC....(eyes rolling)

Look in all honesty this is how you foster a team environment, with tough love. You think you're special, that it's all about you? You'll be shown otherwise, you'll be held accountable until you learn your lesson. If AH was allowed to whine and cry about his role on the team, skip mini-camps and then just show up to camp and play without consequence, exactly what reason would he have not to pull the same stunt in a few months?

Posted by: mattylight | July 30, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

can't help but think shannahan wrote off AH when things went sour during OTAs. if AH has been written off, and coaching staff is ready to move on, then wrigged conditioning tests are just fine. coaches may want AH gone by his own will, or lack thereof to step up to any challenge, any request. AH steps up to any request, no matter how absurd, it shows he's ready to follow the coach into battle.

Posted by: babobeach | July 30, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse


Zorn = Passive

Shanahan = Boot Camp

This is the NFL, not MLB. Go to a Nats game if you want country club. AH will become a man after this, and he'll have Shanahan to thank for it.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse


I repeat: Shanahan is the coach.

Set of 10 gtown85

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 10:01 AM

And so far, he's showing that he's not a very bright one. Checkmate!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

For the people the who are upset at Shanahan, calm down. He's the Head Coach, and he knows what he's doing. Anyone who has played organized football before understands running the 3-Dubb Shuttle, hitting the hills, having to do the Oklahoma, or Hit-its until you puke, is part of the game. You screw up, or you anger the coach, you get dealt with. Plain and simple, its FOOTBALL people. The coaches run the team not the players. This isn't last year's squad or coaching staff.

This is how REAL teams run a football organization. Pee-Wee: Coach = King, Player = peasant. Recreation: Coach = King, Player = Peasant. High School: Coach = King, Player = Peasant, College: Coach/AD = King, Player = Peasant, Pros: Coach/GM/ Owner = King, Player = Peasant. There is no way the Skins can turn this thing around without Shanny acting the way he is with Fat Al. He instantaneously changed the dynamic of how things are run on this team. You better believe that every player was watching to see how this would play out. Now they know, there's a new Sheriff in town.

Posted by: clark202 | July 30, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This is bogus. This is nothing more than Shannahan on get back. He's made his point already, there's no need to push it to the point where he's just being petty. Haynesworth clearly put the work in on his on training program. Everybody has commented on how good he looks and how dramatically different he looks from last year. Running 12 50s isn't even close to a breeze in the park. It's completely anarobic meaning aerobic conditioning has jack squat to do with anything. Anyone who thinks differently, try running 4 50s and then make a comment. I hope this works out in the end, but if Shanny continues with this petty vendetta, it might not.

Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Nonsense. It's not a breeze in the park but if Haynesworth WANTED this, like wanted it so bad he'd run into a wall for it, he could probably pass it.

If not it means: A.) He does not care and is not trying 100% (Unaceptable)or 2.) He is not in world class shape (Also unacceptable)

And by the way, I am a 38 year old middle of pack 5-10k runner and once a week I do track intervals: 12 400's on 60 second rest btwn 400s. It sucks and I've puked, but it's not a death march. 12 50's is totally doable for a "World Class Athlete"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"Yesterday it was reported that all linemen have passed it already."

From who? What outlet? In other words: Can you provide a link, please?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"If this whole thing blows over its because Haynesworth really wants to be here and has maybe seen the error in how he went about things. Not because Shanahan is running him through cones."

This is EXACTLY what Shanny wants to find out. If he doesn't then he'll give up and go home.

He's gotta want to be here and this is what a people aren't getting. It's not about embarrasing him or not. Shanny wants to know if he's willing to sacrifice for the team.

Fat Al is the only one who has not been willing to sacrifice anything, including his wallet.

What would be really cool is if London Fletcher or Phillip Daniels goes up to him and tells Al,"Ok big guy, I'm running with you. Let's do this!"

I think you'd know right there what Al was about.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan = Boot Camp

This is the NFL, not MLB. Go to a Nats game if you want country club. AH will become a man after this, and he'll have Shanahan to thank for it.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 10:08 AM

A "boot camp" for one??! Hilarious!!!! Have you considered going into comedy? I'm laughing so hard my side hurts! Stop it! Please!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Good for Shanny making AH do this. AH needs to realize how he pays his bills and that's with the paycheck he gets from his employer. If he's not showing up for work then how good of an employee is he. He deserves every piece of perceived "unfair" treatment he's getting. He's getting paid the most but working the least. That's just jacked up in a sport that you win as a team.

Posted by: harbirsingh | July 30, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This is some straight up HS sjk.

... s'all good, tho. It seems like the players are all taking it in stride. It's nothing all of 'em haven't seen before.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 30, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

All you who say this will backfire- not. There is no bluster with this coach- he is doing what he needs to do with this player and i believe the other players support this-- no more double standards. it would not surprise me if they did this 2 more days then cut him.

Posted by: phil3160 | July 30, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If AH doesn't want to put up with this, he can quit. That's the test.

Posted by: Meepo


Smartest post of the day.


WaitingGulity, it has nothing to do with age. Have you ever in your life were pushing 4 bills like Haynesworth?

Even at 330 (if he's that small) is alot of weight to run sprints with.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"And so far, he's showing that he's not a very bright one. Checkmate!

Posted by: gtown85"

Why? Because Haynesworth can't pass a conditioning test?

The backlash on Shanahan for Haynesworth's shortcomings is hysterical. I guarantee you Shanahan wanted Haynesworth to pass today. He can't run it for him. Day 1, yes, it was a ploy by Shanahan to teach him a lesson. Day 2, when all AH had to do was pass a standard test? Not at all Shanahan's fault.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll people bringin' the drama hard on DAY TWO of training camp crack me up.

Shanahan's going to run AH till he pukes, and he'll either be with the team or not. Big whoop. The rest of the team is going to toss balls around, talk to reporters, put on pads and hit. They don't play till September.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll people bringin' the drama hard on DAY TWO of training camp crack me up.

Shanahan's going to run AH till he pukes, and he'll either be with the team or not. Big whoop. The rest of the team is going to toss balls around, talk to reporters, put on pads and hit. They don't play till September.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll people bringin' the drama hard on DAY TWO of training camp crack me up.

Shanahan's going to run AH till he pukes, and he'll either be with the team or not. Big whoop. The rest of the team is going to toss balls around, talk to reporters, put on pads and hit. They don't play till September.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

rmcazz i like your comments....whether it happens today, tomorrow or another day, i think it would an awesome act if team leaders, hell, the whole team (if they truly want AH to be part of the team) if allowed by coaching staff, ran the sprints with AH. it would be a great show of team oneness to coaches.

i don't think that gets AH off the hook necesarily, but it might AH a good feeling, and co

Posted by: babobeach | July 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

It's okay to stop the hypocrisy.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

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Hypocrisy is usually defined as saying one thing and doing another. As in, for example, taking a $21 million check in April, promising to report in shape at the end of July, and then failing to do so... while making up all sorts of excuses about how you shouldn't be held accountable.

Now that's hypocrisy.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Red/TWISI, what we need to bear in mind here is that some of the stuff (running/conditioning) will help in the long run. I'm seeing a lot of "let him line up with this teammates...move on" stuff, and the running will help him do that. I mean, Shanahan doesn't have him picking up his laundry and washing his car. He's got him doing drills and running laps. All of which will help get him in football shape.

Losing weight doesn't necessarily mean his cardio is where it should be. Once it's there, he'll probably be back with the team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Hypocrisy is usually defined as saying one thing and doing another. As in, for example, taking a $21 million check in April, promising to report in shape at the end of July, and then failing to do so... while making up all sorts of excuses about how you shouldn't be held accountable.

Now that's hypocrisy.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse"

Boom. Roasted.

Probably the first time I've ever agreed with Vic.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Military = Boot Camp


Posted by: hessone

Fixed it for you, hess. And this ain't the military. In the military if you hit the lottery for a substantial amount they discharge you. Why? Because you're now paid and they have no more control over you.

See where I'm going with this?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Ah, a polarized RI. That's new.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

What would be really cool is if London Fletcher or Phillip Daniels goes up to him and tells Al,"Ok big guy, I'm running with you. Let's do this!"

I think you'd know right there what Al was about.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 10:11 AM
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That would be cool, and maybe Shanny is waiting for one of Haynesworth's teammates to make the gesture...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 30, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"As far as the selective conditioning test: teams usually do it with any player they suspect may not be in shape. The Ravens did it with the rook Terrence "Mountain" Cody, and I believe he flunked it more than once. Terrence is about the same size as Albert."

From Yahoo sports: Cody, a 350-pounder out of Alabama, twice failed the test Tuesday. The drill consists of running 25 yards, doubling back, resting for 70 seconds and repeating it twice.

You really want to compare the 2 situations? Cody was gassed running 150 yards. 1/4 of what Haynesworth had to do. What lineman is expected to sprint 600 yards?! It's B.S. anyway you try to look at it. The dude is being punished, plain and simple. There's no need to insult anyone's intelligence and try to pass this off as an inabillity to pass a "fitness test."

I'm not defending AH. I'm just calling it like I see it.

Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Red I hear you....I know weight is a huge factor....fair to point out I'm 200 lbs, not 330....but my weekly speed work drill is 4x as long as this test.

12 50's, I just think if AH were willing to go to the wall for this he'd pass.

BTW....love the RMCAZZ thought of Fletch or another vet going out tomorrow and pulling him through this test.

I know what the mind and body can do when "Want to" plays a role....it's unstoppable and someone with AH's god given ability, I am convinced, could pull through this test....Maybe like Spicoli in Fast Times, but he could do it.

"Oh...I think you'll barely pull through"
-Mr. Hand

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

do we know if there's a time limit for completing the test.

if AH keeps moving, only takes the rest he is allotted and gets through it, however slow, he's got to show he's not quitting, not going to give up.

Posted by: babobeach | July 30, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

i think it would an awesome act if team leaders, hell, the whole team (if they truly want AH to be part of the team) if allowed by coaching staff, ran the sprints with AH. it would be a great show of team oneness to coaches.

Posted by: babobeach | July 30, 2010 10:19 AM


You know what else would have made a "great show of team oneness"? Having 100% participation in the offseason program. The team tried that and only one guy was a no-show.

Albert Haynesworth.

So while they're fighting and working their asses off to make sure 4-12 is a distant memory and no longer a reality, they should drop the preparation for the season they've already committed to so that they can back AH's selfish ass?

Um, no.

Let AH take his medicine and EARN that level of support from his teammates.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

C'mon people, all of you that are saying that no one else had to pass this test is wrong. Yesterday it was reported that all linemen have passed it already.

Posted by: razor25 |

Not true. According to everything I've heard (I watch FAR too much Redskins television shows) NO PLAYER that attended OTAs had to take the test. Which means Haynesworth is the only player taking it.

As I mentioned earlier, Derrick Dockery said last night he would not be able to pass it.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 30, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


And so far, he's showing that he's not a very bright one. Checkmate!

Posted by: gtown85

Why so ? Because he's putting AH in his place and setting standards.

Set of 10 gtown85

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Phat Albert ALREADY got paid. 30 or 40 million. This testing is to prove he's not worthy. Not only do the Skins get to dog him for a few weeks, when it's obvious he's a big fat lazy load and showed up out of conditioning compliance, Danny and Shanny will go to the league and get an outright release and then Danny will go to court to recover salary cap money from the big fat lazy bum.

Posted by: JamesChristian | July 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me, AH is here to make sure he collects his check. If he were ready to work, he'd have passed the test. Or at a minimum, not had to "take his talents to South Beach" in the middle of the test.

So it appears that he's not ready to work. But Shanahan is gonna make sure he is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse
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Speaking of checks, I've copywrited "taking my talents to South Beach". I'll expect to see my check in the mail shortly, lol.

Posted by: walkdwalk | July 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I'd personally be pleased to see him relegated to field duty .. as in, mowing the field! You might as well get something out of him.

Posted by: boblas | July 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

What's the deal with this "conditioning test?" And why should it stop Haynesworth from practicing? It seems he'd be able to pass it if he were allowed to participate in a few practices. Sounds like management is just trying to embarrass the guy.
I suppose Shanahan's his own man and can seet his own rules, but this one is keeping the Redskins' highest paid player on the sidelines.

And while I'm on the subject, another Post writer wrote in a recent article that Haynesworth "was already four months behind in learning the defense." Give me a break!

Posted by: ShovelPlease | July 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrisy is usually defined as saying one thing and doing another. As in, for example, taking a $21 million check in April, promising to report in shape at the end of July, and then failing to do so... while making up all sorts of excuses about how you shouldn't be held accountable.

Now that's hypocrisy.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to disagree too much, but technically I think that what AH did when he cashed the check and stayed home was not hypocrisy. It was more along the lines of treachery to the team.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I think this is great, and i am generally pro player. I mean AH was called out by the head player rep of the freakin NFL players union fer chrissakes.

No one should be crying for this a-hole. The dude took the biggest single NFL payday check and then sat on his azz....meanwhile most of us bust our azzes for scraps and cents.

All those bellyaching about how this ins't right or will hurt the team... pull up your big boy pants.

F Haynesworth, and if he never plays another snap for the Skins and it even makes us worse for a year, so be it.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrisy is usually defined as saying one thing and doing another. As in, for example, taking a $21 million check in April, promising to report in shape at the end of July, and then failing to do so... while making up all sorts of excuses about how you shouldn't be held accountable.

Now that's hypocrisy.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:19

No, Vic, hypocrisy is standing in front of a bank of microphones and saying that it is not safe for AH to get on the football field until he shows that he's in football shape, yet putting 84 other guys out there without proving same.

That's hypocrisy.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

what Shanahan is doing is absolutely essential to maintain the integrity of the football team.

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 30, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I want a TW update.

I'm really tired of reading about Haynesworth.

Special teams?

Wide Receivers?

How does CP look?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 30, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Phat Albert ALREADY got paid. 30 or 40 million. This testing is to prove he's not worthy. Not only do the Skins get to dog him for a few weeks, when it's obvious he's a big fat lazy load and showed up out of conditioning compliance, Danny and Shanny will go to the league and get an outright release and then Danny will go to court to recover salary cap money from the big fat lazy bum.

Posted by: JamesChristian | July 30, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, I am a 38 year old middle of pack 5-10k runner and once a week I do track intervals: 12 400's on 60 second rest btwn 400s. It sucks and I've puked, but it's not a death march. 12 50's is totally doable for a "World Class Athlete"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Strap on 150 pounds and try it.

And nobody is saying that Albert didn't bring down the coach's wrath on himself. But don't try to portray this as Haynesworth not taking his conditioning seriously and showing up to camp out of shape. That's not the case. EVERYONE who has seen him says he's in much better shape. I'd rather they call this what it is. Payback.

Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

This isn't about the short term, people. Get your heads out of your asses. This is about the head coach--a man, unlike our last coach--who demands that his players be dependable.

The player in question is a guy who can't make it through a full season and runs out of breath after three plays. In short, he's not dependable. Mike Shanahan is going to make sure that, for once, this tub of good is reliable, and all of you pansies will understand the method to his madness when Haynesworth is playing like an animal in December, with the division title on the line.

Posted by: redskins459 | July 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Stupid Shanahan! Treating that man like a slave. Make Shanahan run shuttle sprints!

Posted by: TheChampishere | July 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


You've obviously never been part of a team atmosphere in football or other (military).

This is about getting him to come with terms of the team first attitude. If he can accpet that, then he'll be on the field with his team mates. If not, then he'll be running on his own with his 35 million.

Shannahan is obviously looking to get guys to hold themselves accountable for one another. This is how teams win in the NFL. You my friend are clearly part of the status quo, and a losers mentality.

Posted by: Devo2 | July 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Stupid Shanahan! Treating that man like a slave. Make Shanahan run shuttle sprints!

Posted by: TheChampishere | July 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


You've obviously never been part of a team atmosphere in football or other (military).

This is about getting him to come with terms of the team first attitude. If he can accpet that, then he'll be on the field with his team mates. If not, then he'll be running on his own with his 35 million.

Shannahan is obviously looking to get guys to hold themselves accountable for one another. This is how teams win in the NFL. You my friend are clearly part of the status quo, and a losers mentality.

Posted by: Devo2 | July 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"What lineman is expected to sprint 600 yards?!"

Seriously? 300 yards isn't even a lap around the track. You're writing this with shock as if he was told to run a 5k as his fitness test.

300 yards is nothing. It's a joke. Average athletes can complete this in around 50-60 seconds. I don't care how big you are, if you're an athlete (especially a talented one like AH), then 300 yards is child's play when you're fit.

It's mind-boggling how people are equating this test to boot camp or some a physically exhausting half-marathon.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What would be really cool is if London Fletcher or Phillip Daniels goes up to him and tells Al,"Ok big guy, I'm running with you. Let's do this!"

I think you'd know right there what Al was about.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 10:11 AM
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That would be cool, and maybe Shanny is waiting for one of Haynesworth's teammates to make the gesture...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 30, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

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It would be pretty cool, indeed, and a fine example of the sort of field leadership that has been severely lacking of late. But what happens when the big oaf bellyflops again?

Could Fletch and Daniels then be accused of showing the Dude up -- or just pointing out how badly conditioned he really is?

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

BTW....love the RMCAZZ thought of Fletch or another vet going out tomorrow and pulling him through this test.

Why not the whole Redskins team? Wouldn't that be so heart-warming and fuzzy-wuzzy? Everybody Runnin' With Al! OMG I want to puke right now.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

here's a nice review of how Shanahan has used his "conditioning test" in the past:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkqgRB36qnADY09MYl09OBRDubYF?slug=lc-haynesworth072910

The story of Montrae Holland is a cautionary tale for AH...

"Then there was one-time Broncos guard Montrae Holland, who rewarded Shanahan for a contract extension by showing up 20 pounds overweight at the start of training camp in 2008.

Like Haynesworth, he was quickly banished from practice, forced through a cocktail of punishments including the treadmill, elliptical machine and stairmaster. When he was done, he had to run outside just like Haynesworth. After a few days he was allowed to return to only one of the team’s two daily practices. A starter the previous season, Holland could only play for the scout team during that workout. Later in the day, he was forced to run alone on an empty field.

His exile lasted two weeks. He lost his job and not long after he was traded to the Cowboys."

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

co-sign cl...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 30, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe anyone would not side with Coach in this matter. It's not about making an example. It's sticking to the rules that were laid out at the very beginning of the season. You make a certain number of OTA's and off-season meetings, you don't do the sprints. You miss them, you do it. Haynesworth is the only guy who missed that requirement and now is having to make up for it. That's why it looks like payback but really it's just sticking to his guns. Should Coach immediately bend the rules for a man who played hardball all off-season? yeah, that's a real good example to set. The one guy you don't want to bend the rules for. Second, it's the non-skill set players who might fail, not the WR's, RB's and DB's. Those guys sprint all day long and recover quickly and could do this. You get 67 seconds to make each full repetition. That's about a 20 second 100 yard interval. Anyone who's ever run on a track knows you can do 440 yards in less than that time as a sprinter if you're in shape. Being big doesn't mean having no endurance, just less speed. And lastly, I agree that it would be a good thing for one or more of his teammates to go out there and try to run with him for encouragement. Show him he's not alone and that they want him to bear down and make it happen.

Posted by: jcass19 | July 30, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Way to go Ham Sandwich.

Posted by: 44fx290 | July 30, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

i think it would an awesome act if team leaders, hell, the whole team (if they truly want AH to be part of the team) if allowed by coaching staff, ran the sprints with AH. it would be a great show of team oneness to coaches.

Posted by: babobeach | July 30, 2010 10:19 AM


You know what else would have made a "great show of team oneness"? Having 100% participation in the offseason program. The team tried that and only one guy was a no-show.

Albert Haynesworth.

So while they're fighting and working their asses off to make sure 4-12 is a distant memory and no longer a reality, they should drop the preparation for the season they've already committed to so that they can back AH's selfish ass?

Um, no.

Let AH take his medicine and EARN that level of support from his teammates.

Agree, the participation should have been there the whole off-season, but IF the players want him to be there now, regardless of what took place over OTAs, the show of oneness might be on of those things that changes AH's mindset and attitude.

Posted by: babobeach | July 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Phat Albert ALREADY got paid. 30 or 40 million. This testing is to prove he's not worthy. Not only do the Skins get to dog him for a few weeks, when it's obvious he's a big fat lazy load and showed up out of conditioning compliance, Danny and Shanny will go to the league and get an outright release and then Danny will go to court to recover salary cap money from the big fat lazy bum."

Posted by: JamesChristian | July 30, 2010 10:28 A

Good luck on proving AH was unfit to play football based on a conditioning test that NO ONE ELSE had to pass. If the test is the 'Holy Grail' to the football field, then EVERYONE should have been made to pass it. Skins wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm on the fence on this.

I applaud Shanny's moves and that he's requiring that AH pass the same test that everyone else did earlier (which was reported by the Post yesterday). And it's obvious that AH needs to be in better shape than last year, particularly with cardio and stamina. This will help.

On the other hand, I think that Shanny's only problem is his ego and stubborness (which are also two factors that make him great). I'm not so sure that 'making a point'---especially such a visible one to fans, teammates, the league, etc---is the best move right now.

Overall, I like it. If anyone needs to be put into their place, it's Fat Albert. He deserves it, and he's earned himself a position to be made as an example.

Also - I think rmcazz has had the best post so far. I agree with everything he said.

Posted by: dcjam2 | July 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If this ends up with him getting carted off the field a few less times then it will be doubly worth it.

The longer this goes on the more i do fear for our rag tag second team o-line. Those dude are gonna feel the wrath of an angry Al.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Rahwaj...

No offense but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As many smart RI posters have already pointed out...weight loss means nothing re: fitness. I don't care how he looks, he either can't or won't go pass a fitness test, so what it is IS A G_DAMN TRAVESTY.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Stupid Shanahan! Treating that man like a slave. Make Shanahan run shuttle sprints!

Posted by: TheChampishere

...bet Shanny would pass easy

Posted by: PlayAction | July 30, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Red,

I know how important it is for you to get proof of statements, and hesitated to say it, but it was either while watching/listening to WaPo LIve or REdskins nation yesterday. Having said that, I don't believe that everyone took it yesterday. As you go through your strength/cond. regime with the trainers, they are putting you through one and know if you are good to go or not. BMW basically took one daily while losing weight until he passed the minimum req. I'm sure Al was riding a bike and losing weight just fine, but carrying that weight is different and he wasn't prepared. Who cares, this is all because the coach AND the players want to send a message that he is one of 53. Its perfect for now, and will be overkill by monday.

Posted by: razor25 | July 30, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

No, Vic, hypocrisy is standing in front of a bank of microphones and saying that it is not safe for AH to get on the football field until he shows that he's in football shape, yet putting 84 other guys out there without proving same.

That's hypocrisy.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Am reasonably confident the other 84 will have more than enough opportunities to prove their conditioning -- and their coach's confidence in same -- over the coming days and weeks.

Which is more than we can say for the Dude -- at least for the moment.

Dude also promised -- and only as recently as this week -- to not be a distraction.

Implication is that he was ready and willing to get the job done.

Another lie from the big guy.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I am still no clear, how much time does he have to run 300 yards?

If its 60 seconds, I could see it being possible. Someone told me its 20 seconds. Not sure if its physically possible.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe some of you who are backing the 21 million dollar thief instead of the dude trying to change the laissez-faire culture thats been poisoning us for the last 10 years.
How quickly some of you forget.
Fat Al broke his word to Shanny when he took the dough and then demanded a trade. Now that he's out of leverage and HAS to report to camp in order to keep getting paid, Albert has to basically take his lumps and do it Shanahan's way.

Life's not fair folks, quit feeling sorry for the thief!

Posted by: Predator48 | July 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone gotten tweets on what going on/went on in practice today?

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Red I hear you....I know weight is a huge factor....fair to point out I'm 200 lbs, not 330....but my weekly speed work drill is 4x as long as this test.

12 50's, I just think if AH were willing to go to the wall for this he'd pass.

BTW....love the RMCAZZ thought of Fletch or another vet going out tomorrow and pulling him through this test.

I know what the mind and body can do when "Want to" plays a role....it's unstoppable and someone with AH's god given ability, I am convinced, could pull through this test....Maybe like Spicoli in Fast Times, but he could do it.

"Oh...I think you'll barely pull through"
-Mr. Hand

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 10:25 AM
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Good point, but I think it says something when his teammates do not pull for him. Yes, they have not had to undergo this physical test Big Al is going through, but Shanahan did say the rest of the team had been practicing under his staff's direction for most of the offseason, and that lets them off the hook. C'mon, the team has absolutely no idea what kind of shape Haynesworth is in. So, he reports to camp a few pounds slighter than last year... what does that really say other than Big Al has had a few salads? So, he presses some iron and everyone says, "he's strong". Well, guess what? He was strong already. I think it suggests he didn't do much in the offseason if he cannot pass this test. What kind of work did he do? Obviously not cardio. Do any of you remember the countless pictures of Haynesworth sucking an air bottle last year? This guy did not have his wind. Now, they are making sure he has his wind. It's not like the guy submitted to an offseason program that had him running every day. He chose to work out on his own and they have no idea if Big Al just pressed a little iron in the offseason and called it a workout.

What they want is a guy who go the distance. If the other team is driving on the defense, they don't want to have to keep subbing Al out. If Big Al is eating up timeouts in the final two minutes because he keeps lying on the ground in an oxygen-starved stupor, they don't want any part of it. The guy has to be in shape, period. If they appear to be a little anal about it, so be it; but I understand where they are coming from.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

What happens if Haynesworth gets injured during the test and the NFLPA sues the Redskins for discrimination? Given the nature of Haynesworth's insubordination, and given the culture of football, everyone kind of expected this, and many including Lavar Arrington are probably applauding this. With the entire nation watching, this amounts to public humiliation, which many feel is well-deserved. Several questions come to mind, since the situation is unprecedented and we are in uncharted territory. How does Haynesworth's conditioning test compare with other tests? What will be the legal consequences if he is physically unable to pass the test? If Albert quits, does he forfeit the money? If he passes, does he become fully integrated with the team? How close to passing the test is he at this point? Is the test achievable? How closely are Haynesworth's medical conditions being monitored? Is he in any danger of dropping dead?

Posted by: dannykurland1 | July 30, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I thnk it's pretty clear that Haynesworth is not Shanny's type of player. He never would have signed him had he been with the Skins last off-season. He doesn't want him now. The only way for ths to work is for Haynesworth to become the type of player that Shanny wants, and I doubt that will happen.

I predict the Skins trade Fat Albert for a 2nd and 3rd round pick before the season starts.

Posted by: isnadd | July 30, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

This is a PR game. Shanahan has to win the public relations game for obvious reasons. Jim Haslett have Haynesworth under his control and Haynesworth will go through this assault simply for the sake of the bond with Haslett. This systemic punishment would only last for a while before Albert blows up on everyone's face, remember Albert has short temper, I believe things would get ugly quickly if this nonsense continues beyond Friday. Why wasn't Kemoeatu, Jamal Brown, Terence Austin etc go through the same corporal punishment. I hope Shanahan berry the hatchet and move on for the good of the defense. Don't be fooled, there is a reason Haynesworth is the best defensive line man in the entire league, Sshanahan needs him or else we loose.

Posted by: abxinc | July 30, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Dannykurland...


NO, No, No....way off. If this is public humiliation then it's AH humiliating himself...not Shanahan.

Have we really reached a tipping point or jumped the shark to the point that people are talking about a player filing a lawsuit over a training camp drill?

My god....

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

F Haynesworth, and if he never plays another snap for the Skins and it even makes us worse for a year, so be it.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM


100% agree. By my count, exactly 44 teams have won SBs without Albert Haynesworth on the roster. The thought that we "need" him is misguided at best. Hell, I even refute the notion that we can't be just as good on defense THIS year without him. Dude doesn't know the defense, hasn't been here to work with the team. There's at least 2 guys who are more ready to play Week 1 than AH is for that reason alone. His talent level doesn't mean anything if he can't get thru a couple days running gassers.

Still hoping they trade him...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

At some point Shanny will have to let up.......not yet.

Trying to run off with $21 million deserves at least a few days of hell

Posted by: CF11555 | July 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

No, Vic, hypocrisy is standing in front of a bank of microphones and saying that it is not safe for AH to get on the football field until he shows that he's in football shape, yet putting 84 other guys out there without proving same.

That's hypocrisy.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse


Whatever. I'm pretty sure that the other 84 players can finish a game without use of a golf cart.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Am reasonably confident the other 84 will have more than enough opportunities to prove their conditioning -- and their coach's confidence in same -- over the coming days and weeks.

Which is more than we can say for the Dude -- at least for the moment.

Dude also promised -- and only as recently as this week -- to not be a distraction.

Implication is that he was ready and willing to get the job done.

Another lie from the big guy.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 30, 2010 10:39 AM

Nice to know you're reasonably confident that the other players will get to show they're in shape over the coming days, weeks (if you don't see the hypocrisy in that, so be it). That still doesn't alter the fact that one month after offseason conditioning ended, nobody had to prove they were in shape except AH.

Vic, who made AH a distraction this week? Shanahan did. He singled him out. Don't you see that?

Again, Shanny could have told him to line up at nose tackle and the message would have been sent loud and clear.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Beep...and I told you so...

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The inmates no longer run the asylum at Redskins Park! Foolishness will be met with severe consequences!

Posted by: stwasm | July 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is clearly in control. AH should have been there earlier instead of acting like a little b*tch. He deserves anything and everything being thrown at him. This is the price he's paying for not showing up previously. Besides, how many Super Bowl rings does Haynesworth have?

*enter sound of crickets* That's what I thought...

Posted by: linroy62 | July 30, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

This is really not about Shanny and Haynesworth.

This is about Shanny sending the message with a desire to find the weeds on the team and then weed them out.

Players that complain about Haynesworth's testing, will be gone.

As for Haynesworth, he is simply the example. Makes too much to be fired, so the other players now get to see what happens when you challenge Shanny's authority.

This is the best way to get a group of men to think as one, as a team. Well done Shanny. Total opposite of the "hold your hand, Mr. Oprah" known as Jim Zorn.

Posted by: jackstraaw | July 30, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is complaining that Shanahan is playing a dangerous game with AH by making him retake the conditioning test twice. Please!

AH is a professional athlete and grown man. He should be in good condition and, frankly, running two 300 yard shuttle tests is not that hard. Granted, they could set the times so that AH never passes, but doing the runs are just not over the top.

Shanahan will get into trouble if he continues this over an extended period. But the obvious point he is making now is that there is a new culture at Redskins Park and laying on your back winded every three plays is not going to cut it.

The next move would be to have AH pass the test, get to practice, AND require that he participate in supervised morning conditioning. That is essentially what every major football program does with players who need to get in better "playing shape."

All of the hand wringing by the press about making Haynesworth work too hard or humiliating him is utter nonsense. It is a fact that AH is massively talented, but just does not work hard.

If he is tough guy, let him act like one. And if people (including players) are going to call NFL players "warriors" then stop all the BS about 600 yards of running and start focusing on his ability to play when tired in the 4th quarter and the game is on the line. Will AH be "great" then - at the time when the real men are separated from the boys.

Posted by: sluftbl | July 30, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Vic, who made AH a distraction this week? Shanahan did. He singled him out. Don't you see that?

Again, Shanny could have told him to line up at nose tackle and the message would have been sent loud and clear.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynsworth singled himself out with the big-money deal and refusing to do most anything with his teammates. Might have gone well with Zorn, but not a proven head coach. That attitude doesn't fly with any head coach, even in the free-agent era.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Whatever. I'm pretty sure that the other 84 players can finish a game without use of a golf cart."

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:48 AM

They didn't have to prove it yesterday to the new coach in his first traning camp though, did they?

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"As for Haynesworth, he is simply the example. Makes too much to be fired, so the other players now get to see what happens when you challenge Shanny's authority."

Posted by: jackstraaw | July 30, 2010 10:50 A

Yeah, you don't have to practice for two hours. Some punishment!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Predator48, beantowngreg1, jcass19, chrislarry, and anyone else claiming that people are siding or defending Haynesworth:

Who in fact is defending Haynesworth?

Can you pull posts, screen names, SOMETHING?

I swear, some of you read: 'I'm going down the street to the store' as 'I'm boarding a 747 flight bound for Iran'. Read the post and take it at face value and leave your undertones out of it.


All people are saying that there is a downside to this, a double-edge sword... Like Haynesworth (like it or not the best defensive player on the team) not going through with this because he feels (and deservedly so) that he's being made an example of. Some people when they feel they're being fu_ked with for the sake of someone fu_king with them, will indeed tell the fu_ker, 'Fu_k you, I'm out this motherfu_ker!'.

And if that happens, where does it get the TEAM? How does it make them better? How does it earn the respect of the players? He has it already. As evident in all guys except Haynesworth showing up. How does this "man up" Albert when you know his sole motivation is money? What if Albert conjures up a reason not to practice? THEN WHAT?

No one is defending Haynesworth, but many of you fawn over Shanahan like he's the GOD HC.


That must be it. Shanahan = GOD HC. The NFL Rakim.

Got it.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Albert Haynsworth singled himself out with the big-money deal and refusing to do most anything with his teammates. Might have gone well with Zorn, but not a proven head coach. That attitude doesn't fly with any head coach, even in the free-agent era."


Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 10:51 AM

Vic said that AH promised he wouldn't be a distraction when he came to camp. I'm saying that Shanny made him a distraction by singling him out. My comment stands.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

No offense but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As many smart RI posters have already pointed out...weight loss means nothing re: fitness. I don't care how he looks, he either can't or won't go pass a fitness test, so what it is IS A G_DAMN TRAVESTY.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Dude it's not a G.D. FITNESS TEST. IT'S PUNISHMENT! Get your head out of your rear orafice. You don't know what you're talking about. Weight loss has nothing to do with his fitness level? What are you smoking? What ever it is, you need to stop. Someone just posted a link where something similar was done by Shannahan, to someone else! Why don't we really be honest about what is going on here. People, such as yourself, are enjoying this. Loving every minute of AH getting his butt handed to him. But that's IT! This has jack s to do with conditioning. NOBODY ELSE had to do this because they all participated in his offseason program. I wish they would line everyone up and run the same drill and we could really see how many of these players are really "in shape." They're exempt because they participated. Not because they're in shape. Take that smug crap some where else.

Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I'll take it...it sounds to me like at least he's trying and willing to participate

Posted by: davieglove34 | July 30, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'll take it...it sounds to me like at least he's trying and willing to participate.

Posted by: davieglove34 | July 30, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 11:05 AM"

Bravo! Tell it like it is!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

AH, has stated that he didn’t want to be a distraction to the team during training camp, but Shanny is not will to let it go and causing the distraction. I’d like to see/hear reports of how the entire is working out as a whole. Not what one player is or isn’t doing. Another day of this and the coach will have to change his name to Shenanigan!

Posted by: Dash13-Fore | July 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

why is this news? did people think he'd miraculously get into shape in 24hrs?

Posted by: earthling | July 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

For $100M I'd complete 300 yd shuttle sprints over broken glass and barbed wire barefoot if that's what it took.

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | July 30, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"It's currently our understanding that Haynesworth was the only lineman required to pass the conditioning test."

is this true? and if so, why ?

Posted by: earthling | July 30, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Vic said that AH promised he wouldn't be a distraction when he came to camp. I'm saying that Shanny made him a distraction by singling him out. My comment stands.


Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse


Promises to mend past behavior don't mean squat. It's why we have a criminal justice system.

My comments and your comments don't mean squat, because this is a meaningless thread, and I'm just passing the time.

Posted by: Meepo | July 30, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

people seem more irritated with the AH's $100mil.......what about the moron who gave it to him?

Posted by: earthling | July 30, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

A daily test is absurd. It'll take awhile for Haynesworth to pass this stupid test. This is coaching? This is leadership? No, it's pettiness. Shanahan has made his point like a bully. Not impressive at all. Training camp is too long anyway and will be shortened when the owners adopt an 18-game schedule so Shanahan is just punishing Haynesworth like a little kid. NFL players don't need 6-8 weeks to get ready for the season. He'll be ready to start the season if Shanahan let's him.

Posted by: interactingdc | July 30, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Not sure exactly what the point of this is. Okay, you embarrass Haynesworth. I guess that works for some players. But does Haynesworth strike as that kind of player? If anything, this will make the divisions between him and the rest of the team even larger. I'm not sure how this is productive. The culture of football is so ridiculous. The coach must maintain dominance, at all costs. Even if his authority has never really been challenged. Even if it means alienating one of your best players.

Posted by: Tempy_McJobhunt | July 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I have argued in the past that Haynesworth needed to go long ago because he's me-first, not team-first. He obviously didn't understand how his actions would be perceived, and he obviously brought all this on himself. There's a long tradition of players who step out of line being brought into line through wind sprints and other physically punishing drills. Everybody gets that. We've all been there. However, it wouldn't be Haynesworth bringing on a lawsuit, it would be the NFLPA, who despite all that Haynesworth has done to create this problem, would be forced to step in and protect the player if they feel that what Shanahan is doing gets out of line. I'm not sure how anyone can say this isn't public humiliation. Just calling it like I see it. In the old days, people who challenged authority were put in stocks and everybody threw vegetables at them. Today, we hurl insults at them and laugh at them over the internet and talk radio. Humiliation is humiliation, no matter the season.

Like Mike Wise, I believe that almost anyone can change, Haynesworth included. Obviously, Haynesworth needs to prove to Shanahan that he has changed. Next, he needs to prove to the team he has changed. If Shanahan has already made up his mind that Haynesworth can't change, which I don't believe, then it's torture. If the goal is to get Haynesworth to buy in, then the "drill" is educational. If it works and Haynesworth has a great season, everyone will be singing Shanahan's praises. I'm not disagreeing with Shanahan, I'm just wondering out loud what the boundaries are. I don't think that any reasonable person wants to witness the death of Albert Haynesworth during a "conditioning drill," most of all Mike Shanahan.

Shanahan has had a long time to think about how to handle Haynesworth. I actually am pretty sure he knows exactly what he's doing.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | July 30, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

On winning football teams - either the players are self-motivated or they are scared of the coach. If Albert isn't self-motivated he needs to be scared. In fact, 90% of athletes need a good kick. I did and I loved to run sprints but not the mile and its the mile where the rubber meets the road.

Posted by: agapn9 | July 30, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

at the moment, two days in, this is no big deal, and everyone posting here is off base. You miss OTA, I can't fine you, but I can sure make you do something different just as a show of principle. that's all this is, I have no problem with it, and to make a point no one else has made, I suspect AH has no problem with this either, and won't, if it isn't pushed too far. Every coach my kids have ever played on has done some version of this.

Now if this goes on and gets pushed much farther, then we'll have reason to believe that something else was going on all along. But for now, as Drebbin would say, "nothing to see here."

just my two cents.

Posted by: JoeT1 | July 30, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Everybody loves seeing Hayneworth humiliated. He was fined and now this phony conditioning test that none of the other players were subjected to. Then you'll want him to go out and perform amongst the same players that you just ailienated him from. This is beyond stupid!!! The Redskins are much better with Haynesworth on the Dline at any position. That's a fact and they know it and thats why they invested $100m at him from jump street. But Shanny, and those of you who agree's with this SLAVE OWNER MENTALITY, should ask yourselves how this nonsense translates into loyalty from Haynesworth or any other player on this roster. Shanny and crew should think about the poison they are brewing especially if this new regime continues to dwell on the bottom of the NFC East.

Posted by: vze3c9qt | July 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Let us all pass the conditioning test. It would be great fun to watch! We could all get a good laugh.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | July 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Love it. Make the fatso keep doing the test over and over again.

Posted by: mpbowlr | July 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Like others have said, point has been made Shanny. Let's get him practicing and starting mending fences. Put him through the test again next week or something. This just fans the fire and keeps us all hearing about AH instead of the whole team.

Posted by: travisloop | July 30, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Red,

Agree that anyone can question him if they want to...I just wouldn't in this case. This isn't just about Haynesworth, IMO. It's about changing the behaviors of a team that was 4-12 last year.

Haynesworth will be on the field this year (assuming he isn't traded, which is unlikely), and he'll be ready to play...and much of that will have to do with understanding that the management and coaches are putting up with all this "me!me!" garbage that we've all been witnessing for the last few years.

I certainly find it interesting that Arrington and company on 106.7 were acting as if this were the beginning of the end on Thursday...this team stunk it up last year. Where else is there to go but up?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | July 30, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I noticed you didn't address my comment about not knowing if a single player is in shape. Your silence is deafening!

Further, the hard work comes when he's on the field pushing, shoving, hitting, tackling, etc. for a couple hours. Conversely, that conditioning test probably takes all of 10-15 minutes. Think, man!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


I had assumed that you knew the answer. You must have missed Shanahan's answer to that very question when he said that the guys who showed up for the workouts were in shape because he saw it.

I feel like Shanahan in dealing with you. Do your own homework before you ask dumb questions.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Rahwaj...

I can't help you, you're too far gone.

And not clearly very bright.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I had assumed that you knew the answer. You must have missed Shanahan's answer to that very question when he said that the guys who showed up for the workouts were in shape because he saw it.

I feel like Shanahan in dealing with you. Do your own homework before you ask dumb questions.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 12:47 PM

The fog still has not lifted. I said IS in shape (meaning now), not WAS in shape (meaning month(s) ago)! The players themselves said that they were never timed when they did this drill in the offseason and they certainly were not timed at the beginning of training camp, so Shanahan has no way of quantifying what shape they're in now! Yet, he badly needs to quantify what type of shape AH is in NOW. He's willing to eyeball it with everyone else but AH.

Pull your head out of...,er,...the sand and breathe!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It's supposed to be two two hundred yards shuttle sprints...what's up with the 3?

Posted by: knjon353 | July 30, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Can no body speek on AH behaf. He be doing his best to complete the requier task. If no body knows what the drils needs.
if i was AH i be getting the heck out of here dont noby appreciet his effort for the team. I be hoping he dont pass test as it is not fair the mistreatmant he be going thru and humeliation fell bad for AH.
Stop hating

Posted by: Incognito00 | July 30, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Rahwaj...

I can't help you, you're too far gone.

And not clearly very bright.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty


I didn't ask for your help nor do I need one from a self pretentious clown such as you.

Posted by: Rahwaj | July 30, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What is the IDIOT former coach of the Broncos gonna say when the man has a heart attack while running 300 yards ? ? ?

The former Broncos coach is a COMPLETE NARCISSISTIC A@@HOLE.

Nothin' else to say, you betcha.

./

Posted by: swanieaz | July 30, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

What is the IDIOT former coach of the Broncos gonna say when the man has a heart attack while running 300 yards ? ? ?

The former Broncos coach is a COMPLETE NARCISSISTIC A@@HOLE.

Nothin' else to say, you betcha.

./

Posted by: swanieaz | July 30, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

AH is another Danny/Vinnie legacy. His history with the skins stinks. Anyone watching games in person has seen him take plays off, lie around on the ground like a beached whale and fake injuries to come out when he was gassed - like after the second down. What a colossal waste of money on the part of Danny - but typical. Skins need to unload this guy anyway they can. Any fourth round pick and down will outplay this clown and save the team a ton of money.

Posted by: Pearl77 | July 30, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It looks like he might be better at underwater basket weaving

Posted by: jackcox | July 30, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

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