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Posted at 10:24 PM ET, 12/ 6/2010

Albert Haynesworth disputes 'hung over' report on the radio

By Jason Reid

In a lengthy radio interview, Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth expanded on comments he made earlier Monday night to Redskins Insider, further expressing anger about a Comcast SportsNet report that he was recently "hung over" during practice.

Speaking with 106.7 The Fan's The Kevin & Rock Show, Haynesworth lashed out at "cowards" who have made up lies about him. On television and on its Web site, Comcast reported that Haynesworth was out late Thursday night and appeared "hung over" Friday.

"For these people to make up lies to try to make me look bad is ridiculous," Haynesworth said. "I think they are cowards, and if they have something to say, they should come to my face, not run to the media and try to blast me behind my back."

Since the offseason, Haynesworth and Coach Mike Shanahan have been at odds over Shanahan's handling of the two-time all-pro player. Asked whether someone has it out for him, Haynesworth acknowledged he believes he has detractors within the Redskins' organization.

"There are some kind of haters or something like that in the organization, that they don't like me," he said. "I don't know if it's players or coaches. I don't know who it is. Obviously, there's somebody who doesn't like me, which is fine. But when you go out there and start making up lies, I've got something to say."

Despite being physically sound, Haynesworth, for the fourth time this season, was listed as inactive during Sunday's 31-7 loss to the New York Giants. Shanahan said Haynesworth "was sick" last week and declared inactive because he did not practice well Thursday and sat out Friday.

Although teammates have been critical of Haynesworth for his latest problem with Shanahan, no one has approached him about the situation, he said.

"No. Nobody's said that," Haynesworth said. "Be a man. If you've got something to say to me, then you come and say it to me in my face. Don't go running behind and say things behind my back. We're not little girls or something like that.

"I'm a man. If I have something to say about you, I'll say it to your face. I don't have a problem with that. It should be the same way. Not running behind someone's back and go talking about them and start all the rumors and lies, just because they want to make themselves look good or whatever."

Haynesworth has a salary of $3.6 million. At the completion of this season, Haynesworth will have been paid $35.6 million for two seasons with the team. His $5.4 million salary in 2011 is not guaranteed.

The nine-year veteran said he is committed to the Redskins.

"I wanted to play [against the Giants]," he said. "I come in [to the locker room], my stuff is packed up and they tell me I'm deactivated. ... I'm here to play. Everybody's saying I'm not committed. I'm committed. I'm out here to play.

"I've never had an issue with playing. I always play hard. I play hurt. I'd blow out something before I'd quit playing. I'm still the same player I was when I left Tennessee. And if they could put me on the field and let me prove that I would. Getting fourteen snaps a game is not helping anything."

By Jason Reid  | December 6, 2010; 10:24 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan  
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Just because you are a PRO, doesn't mean you can't have a good time. But getting in LATE and showing up LATE is a poor formula for success. Come on man, we want to like you but be a PRO!

Posted by: dpshultzfam | December 6, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth was reportedly spotted at the American Tap Room in Reston on Thursday night from 10:00 PM until 2:00 AM and was reportedly pretty wasted. There have been multiple reports of him being out on the town having too much of a good time. The dude may have a drinking problem and the team management is too afraid to go public with it. I hope the reports aren't true, but there is definitely something going on. Dexter Manley had issues, but thankfully seems to be keeping clean. Let's hope Haynesworth doesn't suffer a similar fate.

On a separate note, if the team keeps playing like dog crap, we will all be drinking ourselves into a coma.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | December 6, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a pathetic joke and I can't wait for the day I hear he is released.

Posted by: cbushea55 | December 6, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"No. Nobody's said that," Haynesworth said. "Be a man. If you've got something to say to me, then you come and say it to me in my face. Don't go running behind and say things behind my back. We're not little girls or something like that."

1. Shanny: time to break out the ole' lie detector?

2. Little girls don't say mean things behind others' backs...they text mean things behind others' backs.

Posted by: peauxsucent888 | December 6, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Old Shanny says he does what's "in the best interest of the team." BS! He thinks it's all about him, not the team! Give it a freakin rest already!

Posted by: iubiquity | December 6, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"I'm a man." Whatever.

No, Albert. Ray Lewis is a man. London Fletcher is a man. You are a joke.

A man does not lie. A man takes responsibility for what's his. If Albert Haynesworth was a man, this blog would have a lot less to write about.

Posted by: SonofNero | December 6, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Albert, if you do what you're supposed to be doing, what you've been paid an awful lot of money to do, people won't have a reason to say things behind your back, to reporters or to your face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

What's he still doing on the roster? A blind man can see that the guy's a cancer. He should've been traded for anything or cut a while ago.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 6, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Who's making you look bad,Fat Albert? Your doing quite well by yourself.

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | December 6, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Poor Albert..

He's done everything right. He's the perfect human being, teammate, and he hasn't done anything to tarnish the BnG.

He's a true leader on the field and in the locker room. He defines professionalism and is a shoo in to win the Ed Block Courage Award this year after what he's been thru. After this year is over I can't wait to buy his jersey ($10 on the clearance rack) and fashion a diaper out of it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

This is escalating by the hour.

These comments are going to get him what he wants, which is his release.

Please lord let Buffalo pick him up on waivers and make him play 2 years there.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 6, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

This is escalating by the hour.

These comments are going to get him what he wants, which is his release.

Please lord let Buffalo pick him up on waivers and make him play 2 years there.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 6, 2010 11:20 PM |

That would be great

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Butterworth complains about people talking about him to the media... while he's talking to the media about them.

But in his defense, I think he was drunk during the interview, too.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 6, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

What a disaster he is, unbelievable people still stick up for this clown. The funniest part this time is him talking about being a man after cashing a check he never planned to earn. I wonder if its possible to trade him to the arena league for a bag of popcorn.

Posted by: Eman8 | December 6, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

To get away from Haynesworth discussion, does anyone think the 45-3 disaster by the Jets make the 31-7 Redskin massacre slightly less embarassing. After all the Jets are considered SB material. Even the heaviest koolaid drinker didn't put SB and Redskins in the same sentence.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 6, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

De-activate the rest of the year, stop this nonsense, in April trade him to AFC for a 7th rounder in the 2015 draft if need be. How many words were wasted on him this blog for the season. He's had his opportunity, and took advantage, he has millions, which is more then I can say for the majority of us who are just trying to hold onto a career of middle class income......The suck thing is, he's good but doesn't realize what he's be HANDED.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I diagree with deactivating AH. I think for the next 4 games they should play him every single defensive snap. If he wants to play let him play. Heck if they have the chance they should play him on special teams also. Play him until he quits.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 6, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse


Don't go running behind and say things behind my back. We're not little girls or something like that.

little girls have more class than you albert, you POS

Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan, they're both examples of better teams (Gints and Pats, respectively) taking advantage of an opportunity to kick the ass of a division rival.

I loathe the Patriots for a lot of reasons, but tonight I don't begrudge them running up the score on the Jets, who have been trying to out-deuche the entire league since the summer.

F the effing Pats, though... turns my stomach that they appear to be poised for another deep playoff run. They have to be SB favorites at this point, right? Barf...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 6, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

On another note, I thought A Bryany was solid in the one series I noticed him in. I really wish they would give this guy more time at NT than Kemo over the next 4 games.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

To get away from Haynesworth discussion, does anyone think the 45-3 disaster by the Jets make the 31-7 Redskin massacre slightly less embarassing. After all the Jets are considered SB material. Even the heaviest koolaid drinker didn't put SB and Redskins in the same sentence.

Posted by: lifelongfan

Thanks lifelong. Hang in there...We have a ways to go to catch the Jets, especially on the defensive side and O lines. I remember a preseason game a few years ago, probably during the gibbs 2.0 reign where it was noted that the Jets O line was one of the youngest in the league. They got good push against us in that game and the last few years did well against the league(I don't know their stats this year) but I know the last few years they were a run dominate offense.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 7, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Tonight was brilliant, but I hate the Pats, too.

At the same time, I'm in awe of them. They are just so SJKin' solid in everything they do, from the top of the organization to the bottom.

They're the model of success for the rest of the league.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

lifelongfan, they're both examples of better teams (Gints and Pats, respectively) taking advantage of an opportunity to kick the ass of a division rival.

I loathe the Patriots for a lot of reasons, but tonight I don't begrudge them running up the score on the Jets, who have been trying to out-deuche the entire league since the summer.

F the effing Pats, though... turns my stomach that they appear to be poised for another deep playoff run. They have to be SB favorites at this point, right? Barf...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 6, 2010 11:54 PM

No doubt. I hate the Pats but those damn Jets are irritating. Glad they got their a's handed to them. Wish we could school someone at that level.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Memo to Albert...
When you go out and get wasted for a night and wake up the next day and you feel "ill"...that means you have a HANGOVER!

What an idiot. AH would of been better off not responding to the hangover report.

My prediction is that he will be deactivated for the rest of the season. This is the almost the same point of the season when TO got deactivated in Philly years ago.

Posted by: kickass10101 | December 7, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I hope if we let him go, he better get sent as far as possible. I don't want to play him, he'll be dominant somewhere else.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Jets...wow....didnt see that coming, nyc sports media should be fun this week.

Haynesworth...well he is who we all knew he was...we just hoped he's demonstrate most of his aholeness against the opponents, not his own team. It was a monumental mistake to sign him that only seems to get exponentially worse.

People talk about Shanahan's ego and how that has driven this...while agreeing Shanahan's ego is an issue its NOT b/c of him taking the hardline here...that was needed....the ego issue is in that he thought he could get AH to "come around" should have cut bait and taken the 4th rounder from Titans when it was there....now? We'd be lucky to get a 9th rounder....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 7, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

They're the model of success for the rest of the league.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

But somehow, I could be wrong, that's why im not retired yet.........don't copy them, take the good and alter for the future. Don't be a copycat, be the trend setter. What that is, not sure, get some college boys to figure that one out.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 7, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

On another note......

Can anyone give me any evidence that this team is better coached than the debacle from last year?

Upgrade at QB and coaching and this is what we get through 12 games.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I hope if we let him go, he better get sent as far as possible. I don't want to play him, he'll be dominant somewhere else.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2010 12:11

Yes indeed. Like I've said before, B-Mitch will give you the truth.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

But somehow, I could be wrong, that's why im not retired yet.........don't copy them, take the good and alter for the future. Don't be a copycat, be the trend setter. What that is, not sure, get some college boys to figure that one out.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 7, 2010 12:12 AM |

SJK I'd take copy them right now in a hot minute. Hell, I'd take copying the damn Rams right now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

On another note......

Can anyone give me any evidence that this team is better coached than the debacle from last year?

Upgrade at QB and coaching and this is what we get through 12 games.

Posted by: dcwun
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you're gonna need gary sinise to find hat evidence....
same S, different year. I was hoping Shanahan would change this but it continues with a new lead character. Riggo, Schoeder, Manley, Sean Gilbert, Stubblefield, Westbrook, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, LA, ST21, LC, AA, Portis, JC, Fat Al, etc.

Posted by: priceisright | December 7, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Wait, nate, chrislarry, skins 5-7 ... this is like an acid trip to 2007. Or 2006. Or something like that.

So, as the minority here -- I'm not a huge Pats fan, but I am a huge Tom Brady fan -- it sure is fun to watch a team when they are totally on their game. That's my big sore point for the redskins... when was the last time you recall them playing a complete game at a high level, dominant on offense and defense, clearly the better team? It's been way too long.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

"Riggo, Schoeder, Manley, Sean Gilbert, Stubblefield, Westbrook, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, LA, ST21, LC, AA, Portis, JC, Fat Al, etc."

Wait...what?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 7, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

"Riggo, Schoeder, Manley, Sean Gilbert, Stubblefield, Westbrook, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, LA, ST21, LC, AA, Portis, JC, Fat Al, etc."

Wait...what?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 7, 2010 1:01 AM |

I was trying to figure that out too. I can't figure out what all those people have in common except they played on the Skins at some point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a Man"... right ok right. you're not a man. In fact there's not a real man on the entire roster. Real mean show up to work and earn their keep. No on on this team [not Moss, not Cooley, Not Landry, Not Orakpo and definitely not Haynesworth] have done that. The problem with the skins is that they do not have any real men on the roster. Haven't had one since #21 had his cleats prematurely hung.

Posted by: DMV4LIFE | December 7, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a Man"... right ok right. you're not a man. In fact there's not a real man on the entire roster. Real mean show up to work and earn their keep. No on on this team [not Moss, not Cooley, Not Landry, Not Orakpo and definitely not Haynesworth] have done that. The problem with the skins is that they do not have any real men on the roster. Haven't had one since #21 had his cleats prematurely hung.

Posted by: DMV4LIFE | December 7, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a Man"... right ok right. you're not a man. In fact there's not a real man on the entire roster. Real mean show up to work and earn their keep. No on on this team [not Moss, not Cooley, Not Landry, Not Orakpo and definitely not Haynesworth] have done that. The problem with the skins is that they do not have any real men on the roster. Haven't had one since #21 had his cleats prematurely hung.

Posted by: DMV4LIFE | December 7, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a Man"... right ok right. you're not a man. In fact there's not a real man on the entire roster. Real mean show up to work and earn their keep. No on on this team [not Moss, not Cooley, Not Landry, Not Orakpo and definitely not Haynesworth] have done that. The problem with the skins is that they do not have any real men on the roster. Haven't had one since #21 had his cleats prematurely hung.

Posted by: DMV4LIFE | December 7, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Breaking News!!!

The biggest crybaby in NFL history is whining again.

C'mon, Albert... Phillip Daniels was sick as a dog and you're whining?

If you're a man, OWN UP to it!

Posted by: RedCherokee | December 7, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

I am at the forefront of Haynesworth defenders but I give up at this point. Its hard for me to actively hate someone who is a current Redskin and who I loved even before he came to Washington (partially because of the dirty but also awesome Gurode incident). Haynesworth is just making it impossible at this point. He has a very unique personality. I think a lot of people think he's a wuss and an idiot, but I don't know if thats correct. He seems like a smart guy who can play tough and dominate, its just that he is a horrible selfish human being with no self awareness. I think he has this pathological narcissism coupled with emotional childishness retardation and he has frustreated me to the point I wouldn't care if we cut him, which after all this money is something I thought I would never think. I still love Gilbert Arenas. I love Clinton Portis. I have to draw the line now at this Albert character though.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 7, 2010 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Just cut the "man" and move on! The Redskins are the most dysfunctional "team" I have ever seen!! SMDH

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Geez, what a brutal MNF affair last night...part of me is glad the Jets took the Skins off the hook for being the worst MNF blowout of the season. The other part of me is livid this game ended my fantasy season...I had the Jets D and my opponent had Tom Brady. Yeah...

I just can't wait to wake up from this AH nightmare...I've been as big a Shanahan defender as anyone up here, but it's completely unacceptable for him to allow this AH saga to continue into the season. This guy should have been gone in preseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the most dysfunctional "team" I have ever seen!! SMDH

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM


The Raiders, Bengals, Vikings, and Cowboys send their regards. You should probably pay attention to other teams in the NFL...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Just because you are a PRO, doesn't mean you can't have a good time. But getting in LATE and showing up LATE is a poor formula for success. Come on man, we want to like you but be a PRO!

Posted by: dpshultzfam | December 6, 2010 10:39 PM |

OK, so it's Haynesworth's job to show up to the team meetings on time.

It's Shanafraud's job to make sure we've got the best possible team on the field come Sunday.

Both have failed frequently this year. I think the whole Haynesworth "Thing" is a distraction from the fact that this team is about Anthony Armstrong better than last years team. And that's a MAYBE. I gotta think the Zornskins would have run right over our defense.

Anyway, let's talk more about Haynesworth. HE'S the problem, remember? Not Shanny. Not Shanny, Jr. Not Coach Hasbeen and his "Pittsburgh Steelers Defense."

Nope. The product on the field stunk like rotten meat that had been eaten, puked, eaten again, squirted out onto a rancid egg salad in the form of diarrhea, stirred into an ashtray, and served in a dirty diaper.

And the whole time I was thinking, "God, what is that SMELL!?"

Here we find out it was actually Albert Haynesworth the whole time.

Gotta work on that cardio, Big Guy. Let's try to keep the drinking to a minimum on school nights, too.

When is somebody going to step in and yank this sawed off fraud of a coach? I really wish he would go ahead and start doing smart things and not being a nitpicking weasely liar who talks smart and constantly does boneheaded things.

That'd be great. Let's start acting smart, Shanny. Let's start with FINING Al the maximum allowed when he's late. Let's keep the ball rolling by playing him until he has to be carted off the field... Like 6 plays.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow…This is getting out of hand. Shannahan needs to do his job and address this and put a stop to it.
Now!

Posted by: fat_back | December 7, 2010 5:44 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the most dysfunctional "team" I have ever seen!! SMDH

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM


The Raiders, Bengals, Vikings, and Cowboys send their regards. You should probably pay attention to other teams in the NFL...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 5:28 AM |

Well, not sure how you're defining "dysfunctional," Brownie... But the Raiders would run for 400 yards on us and would rest Campbell for the playoffs by halftime.

The Bengals would beat us by 9 points in an ugly affair.

The Vikings... Well, we just saw that.

The Cowboys? I mean, I hate Dallas as much as anyone, but they are going to blow the doors off of our beloved Skins.

I think YOU might want to start paying attention.

PS - Fantasy Football sucks. It has squat to do with football that's played on Sunday. Means nothing. If you ever played football you know stats are garbage. If you ever listened to a Norv Turner post-game "explanation," you know stats are garbage. Winners win and the others lose.

Here's a stat that actually MATTERS:

We F'king SUCK.

And I predict it will be about Albert Haynesworth or some other Shanahan brain fart (McNabb benching ring a bell?) next time we get our asses handed to us. Anything but the game! Please, don't make me talk about the game! Albert was drunk on Wednesday night... That's why we lost. Derrick Thomas... I'm rootin' for him. I cut him for no reason, but I love him. He's great. I'm glad he dominated on special teams after 1 week in NY. Shows what a genius I am. By the way, I didn't play Albert Haynesworth this game. Because of certain, shall we say, "reasons?" Hmmmm. Makes you think, doesn't it? What could POSSIBLY make me bench Big Al for no reason? Just try and find out. I dare you. Forget about the thrashing... Let's get to the bottom of this Albert Haynesworth thing, shall we?

I know you want to know.

C'mon, take a guess...

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

The Raiders, Bengals, Vikings, and Cowboys send their regards. You should probably pay attention to other teams in the NFL...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 5:28 AM |

And the Broncos and Panthers are highly offended to have been overlooked. What's a team gotta do to get to the top of the dysfunctional list?

Good that there are so many dysfunctionals that the Redskins can trade Haynesworth to. Oh, yeah -- the Titans.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 7, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

it's completely unacceptable for him to allow this AH saga to continue into the season. This guy should have been gone in preseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM

I don't think I agree. If they had cut or traded Albert before the season started, the record today would be 5-7. There were a lot of guys on the team who were thinking that Albert would come around and they wanted him on the field with them. Some of them would have been upset with Shanahan if he didn't at least give the guy a chance. It probably took this ordeal for them to realize what Albert is made of.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 7, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm just glad he opened his mouth and defended himself. I'm always on my soapbox about this dumb, foolish,"go mute when in trouble" idea that black athletes employ to disastrous effect.

You may not win em' over, but tell your side of the story and don't let the media whitewash it.
The story is only 2 days old and the majority of the fans on the threads have already started up with the insults and vitriol-without even knowing the story.

So, Haynesworth has spotted his detractors a two day lead to fill up the airwaves with misinformation, half-truths,rumour and gossip.

Athletes, but particularly the black ones have stop listening to publicists, team media relations folks,agents and anyone else who tells them it's a swell idea to go mute when a situation like this arises.

Black athletes must accept that heterosexual white American men are the world's biggest gossips-they are almost gay with their penchant for gossiping, slandering and badmouthing other people.

So one must be proactive,not reactive as far as beating H.W.A.M to the punch and getting your side out first.


A hetero white man to his mirror....

~"Mirror, mirror on the wall~
~Who is the gayest man of them all?"~

The mirror responds

~"Well, white man if it's about gossip~ ~this much is true, the gayest man on~
~Earth must certainly be you"~

Oh, lighten up white folks, I'm just funnin' with ya'. :-)


Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

it's completely unacceptable for him to allow this AH saga to continue into the season. This guy should have been gone in preseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM

I don't think I agree. If they had cut or traded Albert before the season started, the record today would be 5-7. There were a lot of guys on the team who were thinking that Albert would come around and they wanted him on the field with them. Some of them would have been upset with Shanahan if he didn't at least give the guy a chance. It probably took this ordeal for them to realize what Albert is made of.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 7, 2010 6:05 AM
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I think if they had some young lineman chomping at the bit who was losing playing time because of Haynesworth, then it would be easy to cut him. The problem is, they don't have that guy and Haynesworth has potential to be better than any defensive lineman on the roster. Having said that, he is not living up to potential and after the season they just need to trade him away for whatever they can get.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 7, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

It probably took this ordeal for them to realize what Albert is made of
beep-beep
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Well beep, if some of them would realize that constantly being the "unnamed source" and leaking isht to the media is what causes most of the distractions they don't like- we all would be relieved.

It's either a teammate or a coach. Taking nothing away from AH's ability to be a screw-up, but he has help in making himself the big distraction-gossipy, big-mouthed teammates who are too scared to say what they mean to his face and tell Dan Steinberg, Mark Maske &Jason Reid instead. They need to man-up also.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM = Chai_Pet, up here trying to fan the racial hatred flames

Posted by: beep-beep | December 7, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, not sure how you're defining "dysfunctional," Brownie... But the Raiders would run for 400 yards on us and would rest Campbell for the playoffs by halftime.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 5:53 AM


First of all, you're failing to live up to your handle once again...dysfunctional means dysfunctional, not who would win if they played today. The Raiders put together a streak of about 7 seasons with 10 losses or more, the Bengals are 2-10 in a year where they were supposed to be SB contenders, and the Vikes and Cowpies have totally tanked and fired their coaches in-season despite talented rosters. Nothing the Redskins have done this year remotely compares...especially when you factor in nobody outside of Washington really had any high expectations for this team.

Oh, and thank you for this hilarious piece of unintentional comedy:

"That's why we lost. Derrick Thomas... I'm rootin' for him. I cut him for no reason, but I love him. He's great. I'm glad he dominated on special teams after 1 week in NY. Shows what a genius I am."

Right...you're such a genius you said the late great Derrick Thomas instead of the current lazy Devin Thomas. Such a huge fan of failure you couldn't even remember the d-bag's name. Moron...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

From my ESPN posts....
Armchair-GM
kcpa112 \Violation Haynesworth was at a bar in Northern VA called Carpool at 6pm after the Redskins last home game (Nov 28). I was there with my buddy and when we left at 11pm, he was still there. Haynesworth was also hung over this Friday after saying he was too sick to practice on Thursday. He doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. He could care less of Daniels unless he was buying a round of drinks at Jacksons
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Hey kcpa112- I guess you hated John Riggins and the 5'oclock club then huh? Because otherwise, WTF does you seeing AH drinking have to do with this?

You new generation fans are nerve-wracking, judgemental, busybodies-mind your business creep.
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ache27 everyone who is siding with Haynesworth is probably not a Skins fan
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You don't have to side with AH to see that "punishing" a lazy player by...not playing him is stupid. Play his .a..s..s. to death, never let him come off the field.

Or did you forget that the Skins have paid this guy upwards of 36 million thus far? So stop the b/s with the inactive list.

As a Skins' fan, I've seen this before with Lavar Arrington-this dumb idea the Redskins franchise has of shunning players while paying them. The only thing Shanahan is accomplishing is ensuring that AH is fresh and healthy for his next team-that's dumb...

Shanahan may want to show who's boss, but Haynesworth is showing who's smarter....he has miilions of Snyder's money plus he's used Shanahan's dictatorial ego against him & maneuvered Shanahan into trying to make a dumb point and thus keeping him well-rested & injury-free.
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Armchair-GM
@Cozybailey-Haynesworth would have also had Shanahan let him. If Shanahan is so interested in showing AH up, he would smartly let him play and make a fool of himself just like he did against the Eagles, laying on the field while Vick scrambled.

THAT'S the only way to deal w/AH short of cutting him-let him ruin his own reputation on the field, let him see he can't half-a.s.s. it on the field-nothing is accomplished by letting a guy who doesn't want to play...not play.

Do you actually believe AH is somewhere genuflecting over his situation? Hell no, he's sitting somewhere smiling perhaps thinking "Thanks, dummies I didn't want to play anyways...thanks for the 35 million....dummies"

I respect Shanahan, but for 35 million, I'M working his a..s..s.. to death.
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Shanahan can be as consistent as he pleases but why let this guy off the hook? It was cold and dreary yesterday and AH is standing there warm and rested so that Shanahan can make a point about practice to ....whom exactly?

This is not a team of impressionable youngsters, it's an old team. Any youngsters that Shanahan wants to indoctrinate to his ways are still in college.

So get what you can out of this dude, play him to death, don't let him "win" by not playing and getting paid.
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Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

tyronefl483
@Armchair-GM wrote "don't let him "win" by not playing and getting paid."

I need to see if I can work out a similar arrangement with my employer.
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You might have already or at least saw a co-worker do it, I think most working folks have some experience getting into a stare down w/ a supervisor or seeing someone else do.

I'll try this analogy-what if you were in this situation with a supervisor who kept sending you home if you came in late....but you didn't particularly care for this job(Most of us know that a person can make themselves hate a job)....so you started to take advantage of the supervisors willingness to send you home by deliberately coming in late.

That's where I think AH is mentally-he hates being here and he knows he can manipulate Shanahan into giving him the practice,walk-through or game off simply by half-a.s.s.i.n.g it-so he does.

That's why if I'm Shanahan, he plays, Shanahan is being played like a fiddle by Haynesworth.
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"All athletes should bet paid league minimum and get incentive bonuses for doing their jobs. Haynesworth is in the hole"
by jeffbull1962
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Only if the same applies to the team owners who don't do diddly to EARN their money. Unless you count holding cities hostage in order to get a stadium built.

Fans are always on their soapboxes about the players' salaries, why do the owners get a free pass-do you go to the games to see the owners? I have yet to see a fan rocking a Dan Snyder or a Jerry Jones jersey.

So let me get this straight-the players are greedy and overpaid, but the owners aren't, even though they don't do anything for their loot, huh?

In the words of the immortal Richard Pryor (when discussing paying alimony to wives)......

"Wait a minute, b.i.t.c.h.. you ain't told ne'er joke!"

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

I think if they had some young lineman chomping at the bit who was losing playing time because of Haynesworth, then it would be easy to cut him. The problem is, they don't have that guy and Haynesworth has potential to be better than any defensive lineman on the roster. Having said that, he is not living up to potential and after the season they just need to trade him away for whatever they can get.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 7, 2010 6:14 AM


I see your point...but Shanahan's tough guy, "my way or the highway" routine loses teeth by keeping AH on the roster. I know it's cliche and typically overstated, but a guy like AH is a cancer. You just have to get him out, ASAFP. Not when it's convenient, not when you think you can get the most for him. You get him out NOW. To bring this drama into the season was a MASSIVE mistake and the likelihood of him starting to "get it" at any point was remote at best.

That's like keeping Pam Anderson around in hopes that her hepatitis will go away. If you're not down with Hep C, don't go there. You need to let it go...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's too soon to make snap decisions, I don't know if you read the Washington media, but I thought I was going to lose it if I heard playoffs one more time last week.
This team must stop trying to back into the playoffs-they tried it again this year.

McNabb should've never been traded for-we needed that second rounder, but this is what happens when a franchise is delusional and unwilling to make the necessary but painful steps toward rebuilding.

Hopefully, this season convinces Shanahan that we're not a "McNabb" away from serious contention, we need to rebuild not reload, we suck at reloading.
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miller@millatymegraphics.com Armchair- "no one thought we were a McNabb away from a victory and if you believe that then I understand why you are off it. WTH would we have got with that second rounder."
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An OG or a OC. The OT-Williams was fine, but teams are designing their blitzes to take advantage of weak Guard and Center play, so we needed to fortify the line with an interior lineman.

As it was, the lack of a 2nd rounder meant we had to take an O-lineman with our top draft pick, lest we miss out on the most talented ones.

This is going to happen again this year-we'll have a top ten pick w/o a second rounder I believe, so what are we going to do? Ignore a potential franchise QB that may be available (Mallett,Locker,Luck), ignore a potential gamebreaker at WR in (A.J. Green, Julio Jones) at RB(M.Ingram) or at DL (Fairley,Clayborn)?

There's too much talent at the top this year to trade down.
Needless to say, the 2nd rounder gives us flexibility to take one of these guys AND an interior lineman.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Sitting here drinking my coffee, getting ready to make the drive into work -- should be interesting -- we got close to a foot of snow up here in the North Country.

Publish the IP address or STFU beep. If I have something to post, you can be sure that it will be under this handle, and this handle alone.

And I find it amusing that you would comply with a post that matches ArmchairGM's very apt description of you:

Making false assumptions, slinging accusatory, inflammatory statements based on nothing more than your own deranged, perspective. If this were real life, and not a blog, you would be liable for slander.

Jerk of the highest magnitude you are and not a very smart one at that.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 7, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

That's like keeping Pam Anderson around in hopes that her hepatitis will go away. If you're not down with Hep C, don't go there. You need to let it go...

Posted by: brownwood26
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Well, that's one way to look at it. :-)

To your 1st paragraph-that's why this has all the earmarks of Snyder's handiwork. Shanahan shows every inclination to cut a player like this, but Snyder doesn't want him to. It could be similar to the Titan's situation-the owner likes the player, the coach doesn't, so the player stays. In Snyder's case, he may not want to lose face and endure a fresh round of criticism for his and Cerrato's personnel decisions.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse


brown, it's to early to tell if the redskins are a good team this year. I'm willing to let the season play out before I call them dysfuntional

lmfao

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Chia_Pet- That's how I feel as well, I'm the ArmchairGM on ESPN.COM, CBSSPORTS.COM,SPORTINGNEWS.COM, CNNSI.COM, GOOGLE SPORTS, YAHOO, FOXSPORTS AND NFL.COM. I speak my piece fearlessly without any need to hide behind different handles.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

To your 1st paragraph-that's why this has all the earmarks of Snyder's handiwork. Shanahan shows every inclination to cut a player like this, but Snyder doesn't want him to. It could be similar to the Titan's situation-the owner likes the player, the coach doesn't, so the player stays. In Snyder's case, he may not want to lose face and endure a fresh round of criticism for his and Cerrato's personnel decisions.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:47 AM

If that's even remotely true, Shanahan should call Danny's bluff...I mean, if Shanahan gets poop canned after 1 season he'd have another job in a matter of hours. It looks bad for Danny and HE'LL be the one reeling in the wake of something like that. Shanahan's legacy is at stake and if he cares about that as much as I think he does, he should be doing things his way, consequences be damned.

I mean, everything else he's done to date has smacked of that mindset...can't imagine he'd keep AH if it wasn't his call.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Hess, the sure sign that you're not funny is if you laugh hysterically at your own jokes. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse


brown, tell dmcnabb that jcampbell sends his regards

lmfao

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

First of all, you're failing to live up to your handle once again...dysfunctional means dysfunctional, not who would win if they played today. The Raiders put together a streak of about 7 seasons with 10 losses or more, the Bengals are 2-10 in a year where they were supposed to be SB contenders, and the Vikes and Cowpies have totally tanked and fired their coaches in-season despite talented rosters. Nothing the Redskins have done this year remotely compares...especially when you factor in nobody outside of Washington really had any high expectations for this team.

Oh, and thank you for this hilarious piece of unintentional comedy:

"That's why we lost. Derrick Thomas... I'm rootin' for him. I cut him for no reason, but I love him. He's great. I'm glad he dominated on special teams after 1 week in NY. Shows what a genius I am."

Right...you're such a genius you said the late great Derrick Thomas instead of the current lazy Devin Thomas. Such a huge fan of failure you couldn't even remember the d-bag's name. Moron...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 6:18 AM |

It wasn't "unintentional," you ding dong.

Hey, at least you "got it." Funny part is, Brownstain, "Derrick" Thomas is what your Fuhrer, Michael Shanafart called him repeatedly in his press conference. Right after he claimed to be "rooting for him" and raving about what a great conversation they had. It's not really that hard if you're actually paying attention.

Try to keep up.

Dysfunctional is as dysfunctional does. Shanahan is a fraud. I don't need 5 seasons to figure that out. His son? I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but he'd scram, too, as soon as you insulted his Daddy, who is making Zorn look like a real Zen Master. The ONE good thing this season has brought? An appreciation for what happens on the offensive line. Last year, it was all Campbell's fault. I tried to tell y'all!

This year, it's Haynesworth. Believe me. You could sit his fat ass and it wouldn't make one iota of difference. This team smells like Aunt Edna's armpits. Remember the three 2005 Pro Bowl running backs Shanidiot brought in? How they lookin' about now? Remember the 2005 Pro Bowl receiving corps? Same sh!t. Yellow pants, Maroon and Black... All the same pile of stinking anal regurgitation.

And Brownstuff, for the millionth Fking time, I stole this handle from some guy that was pissing me off named "Thinker." I added the underscore because it was barely discernible and I was posting nonsense pretending to be him (against the rules, I know, but he was out of bounds, believe me!). I'm not up here trying to be smarter than anyone else. Don't get all insecure. I'm not complaining your wood aint brown, am I? Or that you're not 26?

I still hate you and I hate the team I loved. But, you know what else? You reminded me that Derrick Thomas is actually dead. I mean, who goes out and sacks the living sh!t out of NFL QBs and then dies the next day?!

Crazy.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Publish the IP address or STFU beep.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 7, 2010 6:33 AM

Chia_Pet IP address: 23.124.56.8
ArmchairGM IP address: 23.124.56.8

Posted by: beep-beep | December 7, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Hey, beep-beep,

what's mine?

and IF you know, tell me Brownwood's...

I want to go over and smack him in his retarded face.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Please tell me it wont take you another 34 minutes.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

'As it was, the lack of a 2nd rounder meant we had to take an O-lineman with our top draft pick, lest we miss out on the most talented ones.'

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:30 AM

Mostly we had to pick an O-lineman with our top pick because we wanted a LT and the elite prospects at LT ALWAYS go VERY high in the draft.

Posted by: craig81 | December 7, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a fraud....

..for the millionth Fking time, I stole this handle from some guy that was pissing me off named "Thinker."...

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 7:04 AM


You just can't make this stuff up...there's literally NOTHING I could possibly say that could make you look more retarded...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm still wondering where all the people are who rebuked me when I criticized the signing. I told you so!

Posted by: stwasm | December 7, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

GM Guys,

If the Skins hold on to their second round pick, I am almost 100% sure the 1st will be used on a skill position. At some point we have to bring talent on offense. We haven't drafted offensive talent positions since JC8. I think our 1st round pick will be a WR or QB. That is all. We have got to get better on offense. There are no NT in the top 10.

In the 2nd round, we can get either a Center or Gaurd. But mind you, its very rare you see a rookie Center. So unless we luck up with the dude from Wisconsin, look for us to get a Vet.

Contrary to what most think, I believe this is going to be a offensive heavy draft for us. We have a offensive mind at HC, and our offense is not where it should be.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 7, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Rocco, I'm not sure if you've noticed but we need about 4 starting caliber O-lineman. Drafting a skill position player in Round 1 would be a complete waste. O-line/D-line needs to be the focus on this draft. Anything else is repeating past sins...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Coach Mike Shanahan plans a sitdown with the disgruntled lineman.

Shanahan: C'mon in, Albert.

Wanta cookie? No?

Have a seat, then.

Albert: That's easy.

I been sitting most of this season.

Shanahan: Point-taken.

I just want to clear the air and get some things off my chest.

Albert: That's what you said after making me do that conditioning test.

Thing is, it's too cold to run, now.

Shanahan: Look, Albert.

We think you're a marvelous talent.

But things--for whatever reason--just haven't worked out for us the way we all thought they would.

Oue hope was that you'd be a force.

So far, all you've been is a fart.

Albert: Well, who's the blame for that?

I didn't want to play nose guard and said so before the draft.

I asked to be traded, but you decided to set an unreasonable price for teams that wanted me.

You could've moved me a long time ago and re-couped a nice draft pick or two.

Now, I ain't worth a bucket of camel spit.

Shanahan: Granted.

You're a circle in my square world.

So where do we go from here?

Albert: That's your decision, not mine.

You got the power and I got the money.

And despite our differences, it looks like I ain't going nowhere.

And having said that now, I'll have that cookie if you don't mind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse


If that's even remotely true, Shanahan should call Danny's bluff...I mean, if Shanahan gets poop canned after 1 season he'd have another job in a matter of hours.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 6:58 AM |

as I recall, snyder had to fight other owners in order to secure shanahan as HC of the redskins, he's in such high demand throughout the nfl

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Mostly we had to pick an O-lineman with our top pick because we wanted a LT and the elite prospects at LT ALWAYS go VERY high in the draft.

Posted by: craig81
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Exactly, we HAD to take an OT because as you wrote the elite ones go too quickly and to not take one with our top pick meant that we wouldn't have another chance until our next pick-a fourth rounder. So that second rounder mattered for the O-line.
I like Donovan (though I still see him as an Eagle)but we could have gotten the same performance from J.C. w/o giving up that valuable 2nd rounder & we would be much further along with a OG or a legit NT prospect. Plus, Campbell was actually more used to changing offensive schemes than McNabb is.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse


I'm still wondering where all the people are who rebuked me when I criticized the signing. I told you so!

Posted by: stwasm | December 7, 2010 7:41 AM |

congratulations

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Once again Shannahan is ruining this team he is trying to turn the team against Albert, he is the most dominant force in the nfl and you dont play him because of a bad practice... practice...we talking about practice.. for a Dlineman have you not seen gholston maake and the crew they absolutely suck ass

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 7, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Black athletes must accept that heterosexual white American men are the world's biggest gossips-they are almost gay with their penchant for gossiping, slandering and badmouthing other people.

So one must be proactive,not reactive as far as beating H.W.A.M to the punch and getting your side out first.


A hetero white man to his mirror....

~"Mirror, mirror on the wall~
~Who is the gayest man of them all?"~

The mirror responds

~"Well, white man if it's about gossip~ ~this much is true, the gayest man on~
~Earth must certainly be you"~

Oh, lighten up white folks, I'm just funnin' with ya'. :-)


Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 6:05 AM

You managed to sound stupid, racist, and latently homosexual...all in one worthless post. Sounds like you've got white men on the brain this morning Armchair.

Defend your guy all you want, but look where you needed to go to do it.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 7, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Once again Shannahan is ruining this team he is trying to turn the team against Albert, he is the most dominant force in the nfl and you dont play him because of a bad practice... practice...we talking about practice.. for a Dlineman have you not seen gholston maake and the crew they absolutely suck ass

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 7, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Once again Shannahan is ruining this team he is trying to turn the team against Albert, he is the most dominant force in the nfl and you dont play him because of a bad practice... practice...we talking about practice.. for a Dlineman have you not seen gholston maake and the crew they absolutely suck

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 7, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not as think as you drunk I am!

Signed,
Albert Yagerworth

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Once again Shannahan is ruining this team he is trying to turn the team against Albert, he is the most dominant force in the nfl and you dont play him because of a bad practice... practice...we talking about practice.. for a Dlineman have you not seen gholston maake and the crew they absolutely suck

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 7, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Once again Shannahan is ruining this team he is trying to turn the team against Albert, he is the most dominant force in the nfl and you dont play him because of a bad practice... practice...we talking about practice.. for a Dlineman have you not seen gholston maake and the crew they absolutely suck

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 7, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MColeman51
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Heh-heh Touched a nerve huh?

Don't get mad baby girl...
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I was on ESPN.com before this girl.

From your post, it looks as though YOU have me all over your hands...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

“Oh No! We Suck Again!”… Rob Schneider
:~)

Posted by: fat_back | December 7, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

The obits on Don Meredith have told the story of a strained player-coach relationship. AH and Shanny should read and learn. Neither Meredith or Landry let their team suffer because of their disputes.

Posted by: stillAfan1 | December 7, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain scheduled to return to practice

The headline is perhaps one of the better notices issues this week.

Why?: hopefully, Team Shanahan will decide to audition Torain, Williams, and Davis over the next four games.

Out of that trio, we may find one/two decent every down back.

Plus: given the issues facing our offense, finishing the year by featuring a running game will only allow the offense line to get better at zone-blocking.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The obits on Don Meredith have told the story of a strained player-coach relationship.
AH and Shanny should read and learn. Meredith and Landry did not let their team suffer because of their disputes.

Posted by: stillAfan1 | December 7, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

It cracks me up that Fat Albert is having to defend himself for being 'sick'. I saw him trying to defend himself after laying on the field during a play and that defense didn't hold water either. I hope we get something for him but I am not holding out much hope for that. Other teams see how Fat Albert is and will most likely be unwilling to gamble much one him.

To those who think this is about Shanahans ego, if he shelves Fat Albert the way Al Davis shelved Marcus Allen, then you will have your proof.

Posted by: splitbill | December 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Defend your guy all you want, but look where you needed to go to do it.
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Oh, zing, I guess you told me huh, chuckling.

Lighten up crybaby. As much junk as whites hurl on this sites at blacks, you should go kill yourself for getting offended....or go gossip with your gay-ass buddies

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

To those who think this (AH) is about Shanahan's ego


I don't think it's an ego issue.

I think Mike Shanahan, like Wily E. Coyote, laid out some grandiose scheme for turning the Washington Redskins around that just has simply blown up in his face like a big red dynamite stick intended to kill a roadrunner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

OK hudson...we get it. You're AH's unofficial 3rd nut. Now quit posting that sh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Why?: hopefully, Team Shanahan will decide to audition Torain, Williams, and Davis over the next four games.

Out of that trio, we may find one/two decent every down back.

Plus: given the issues facing our offense, finishing the year by featuring a running game will only allow the offense line to get better at zone-blocking.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Torain NEEDS to come back because right now it looks like the dude is injury prone. He's shone he can be dominant when healthy, I still replay him running over Mykel in my mind!!!

I thought for Davis, the difference between the last 2 games was night and day. He ran hard, made good cutbacks, and overall looked pretty good, he's someone to watch down the stretch.

Williams is the wildcard. He's not flashy, but he plays hard, runs hard, and catches well out of the backfield. I'd really like to see him work on his blocking and become the 3rd down/goal line back of the future. Monk it down!

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

shanahan needs to stop now. hes made his point. he needs to let his ego stop getting in the way of the team.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 7, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

monk811

thought for Davis, the difference between the last 2 games was night and day. He ran hard, made good cutbacks, and overall looked pretty good, he's someone to watch down the stretch


Total agreement here.

Torain's size and power and Davis speed and hands should make for a nice two-back tandem.

We'll see if the holds true.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I think Mike Shanahan, like Wily E. Coyote, laid out some grandiose scheme for turning the Washington Redskins around that just has simply blown up in his face like a big red dynamite stick intended to kill a roadrunner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:23 AM
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I like that analogy Moe. I just wish we had playoff scenarios to discuss instead of ACME dynamite.

Posted by: splitbill | December 7, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I think Mike Shanahan, like Wily E. Coyote, laid out some grandiose scheme for turning the Washington Redskins around that just has simply blown up in his face like a big red dynamite stick intended to kill a roadrunner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:23 AM
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I like that analogy Moe. I just wish we had playoff scenarios to discuss instead of ACME dynamite.

Posted by: splitbill | December 7, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Media here you go again, assisting this Coaching staff with blame on one of the best players in the league. You are charcter assesnating this guy. And for what? To make Mike Shanahan look good. Jim Haslet is just trying to get a pay check. He is a liar and he knows this scheme did not work for these defensive player. Who for the last three years were in the top ten over all in defense. This coaching staff should be rebuild but it has no history proving it can do that. Who's the blame? Mike Shanahan. Get personnel in here that can select quality player to use your scheme and tell Haslet to stop being your YES MAN! and come up with a defensive scheme that going to accommodate your players.

Posted by: billyrowland | December 7, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

when do pitchers and catchers report to spring training.....wish that I could be more excited/optimistic about the skins....that was a horrific beating the pats put on the jets...and I hate the pats to my very core....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse


shanahan needs to stop now. hes made his point. he needs to let his ego stop getting in the way of the team.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 7, 2010 8:24 AM |

shanahan has made his point, AH doesn't give a damn. this is what happens when you pay the wrong individual to much money that is guaranteed

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

AH:

"There are some kind of haters or something like that in the organization, that they don't like me," he said. "I don't know if it's players or coaches. I don't know who it is. Obviously, there's somebody who doesn't like me, which is fine.

hahahahaa.... gee albert, ya think? tell ya what: it's not just people in the organization who hate you... we're everywhere.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 7, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

beantown

I like the Gonzalez signing.

So where does Youkilis play if A Gonzo is playing first?

Do you Beltre will come back to Bahstun?

And why aren't you a PATs fan?

That team and the Falcons are headed for a Super Bowl showdown.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Torain NEEDS to come back because right now it looks like the dude is injury prone. He's shone he can be dominant when healthy...

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 8:23 AM


Whoa, whoa, whoa...dominant? Really? I mean, kid can play and I think he showed he's at least a solid starter, but I wouldn't say "dominant". It's hard to have a RB be dominant in today's NFL and the only guys I'd say are "dominant" from the RB spot is AP, CJ2K, and maybe Frank Gore (and he's hurt too often, IMO). Torain isn't on their level.

Personally, I'd shut him down...you already have an idea of what you've got in him and there's no sense in gambling his health going into 2011. See what you've got in Davis and Williams and keep steppin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

on a separate note, if the team is going after one player this offseason, they should take a look at LMankins...big, mean, and nasty......

thats the quintessential redskins season of the past 15 years...regular season isn't over yet, and I'm already thinking of guys to sign to help the next year....sigh.....isn't football supposed to be cyclical...shouldn't it be coming around to the time when the team is good again....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Any buzz about raiding the CFL for the 2010 standouts?

Posted by: fat_back | December 7, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

that was a horrific beating the pats put on the jets...and I hate the pats to my very core....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:31 AM


That beating killed my fantasy season...I had the Jets D and my opponent had Brady. Do or die for the playoffs. I died...that's what -1 to 37 in the final matchup will do...

On the bright side, at least it gets the Skins off the hook for having the worst MNF beating this season...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Any buzz about raiding the CFL for the 2010 standouts?

Posted by: fat_back | December 7, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Any buzz about raiding the CFL for the 2010 standouts?

Posted by: fat_back | December 7, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse


on a separate note, if the team is going after one player this offseason, they should take a look at LMankins...big, mean, and nasty......

thats the quintessential redskins season of the past 15 years...regular season isn't over yet, and I'm already thinking of guys to sign to help the next year....sigh.....isn't football supposed to be cyclical...shouldn't it be coming around to the time when the team is good again....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:41 AM |

you hit a nerve greg, why would a player like lmankins want to sign with the redskins ?

cyclical, in order to be cyclical you have to have an owner who can HELP run a football team, not have COMPLETE CONTROL over it. jury is still out whether snyder is hands off or ah92 would be up the road by now


Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

moe, if they don't bring back Beltre, then youk goes to third, where he played before Beltre came along...Beltre, he's a guy who puts up big numbers ONLY in contract years, so I'm not sure I want him back....

Pats fans, are like yanks fans, only exponentially more arrogant, and misinformed...the sense of entitlement among them is sickening, and their overall lack of football acumen is laughable...they collectively think football came into being in 2001, prior to that they had no idea there was a team in foxboro.....with every fiber of my being I want the pats to go to the Superbowl...and lose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

isn't football supposed to be cyclical...shouldn't it be coming around to the time when the team is good again....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:41 AM


The Browns, Lions, Dolphins, Chiefs, and Jets have been asking this question for decades...it happens when it happens.

All I know is I'll be watching Carolina awful closely this offseason if they hire Russ Grimm...I'm starting a pitchforks and torches revolt on Redskins Park if he turns that team around immediately...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse


All I know is I'll be watching Carolina awful closely this offseason if they hire Russ Grimm...I'm starting a pitchforks and torches revolt on Redskins Park if he turns that team around immediately...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 8:50 AM |

brown, is this a crack in shanahan's armor ? you just said if snyder fires shanahan he'd be hired by another team within hours

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

If this were real life, and not a blog, you would be liable for slander.

Jerk of the highest magnitude you are and not a very smart one at that.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 7, 2010 6:33 AM

Be thankful. If this "were real life, and not a blog" we'd be lining up to stomp you.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

beantown

...like yanks fans, only exponentially more arrogant, and misinformed...the sense of entitlement among them is sickening...

As an yankee fan, I beg to differ as the Pats aren't in our universe in terms of titles, impact on their respective sport, and history.

These teams are:

Manchester U

Lakers

Steelers

Niners

Celtics

St Louis Cardinals

Green Bay Packers

Red Wings

Notre Dame

Reds


...am I missing anybody?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse


If this were real life, and not a blog, you would be liable for slander.

Jerk of the highest magnitude you are and not a very smart one at that.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 7, 2010 6:33 AM

Be thankful. If this "were real life, and not a blog" we'd be lining up to stomp you.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 8:55 AM |
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funny stuff mack

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

hess, mankins is a free agent after this season, and there's been bad blood between him and pats management...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse


hess, mankins is a free agent after this season, and there's been bad blood between him and pats management...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:58 AM |
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I hear you greg. I think he'd be a FA that is worth the time.

why would he want to come play for the redskins ? I can't see him signing with the redskins after playing for a winner and other good teams throwing offers at him.

with all the FA talk on this board, what makes anyone think a quality player wants to sign with the redskins, especially if a quality team makes them an offer ?

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Here is a guy on a practice squad worth raiding and adding to the 53 man roster.

Shawn Crable 3-4 OLB

Drafted in the 3rd RD in 2008 out of Michigan by NE. Suffered a Shin injury his rookie YR and was put the IR. His 2nd season he had a groin injury and was again put on the IR. He's now healthy and on the Jet's practice squad.

He'd be a good get because of his upside and his experience playing in the 3-4 as an OLB. Easily would be an upgrade to LoA.

For a team lacking talent this would be a NO risk and potentially high reward move.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a man. If I have something to say about you, I'll say it to your face."

Or step on it with a cleat when you're helpless on the ground and not looking.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 7, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

mankins is a free agent after this season, and there's been bad blood between him and pats management...


A year ago, I would've been down with this.

But I'm of a different mind, now.

When you watch other NFL teams, especially the up and coming ones, you see a lot of youth and athleticism.

I'd druther pass on Mankins and devote the upcoming draft to securing more mid round type lineman--C/Guard and another 'swing' tackle especially.

We need youth and dynamic play on both sides of our front lines--and you get the better guys by drafting and grooming them.

FA money should go towards other areas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

with every fiber of my being I want the pats to go to the Superbowl...and lose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse
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Could very well happen. The AFC isn't the powerhouse it once was relative to the NFC. NO beat PIT, ATL beat BAL, and GB beat NYJ. Not to mention that 2 of the last 3 SBs have gone to the NFC, and the Cards took the Steelers down to the wire.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 7, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Yall are blind, its obvious to see that Fat Al don't like Fag-a-han .. He don't complain n just give the company lines .. Not his fault redskins are disfunctional n paid 100 mil for a guy n aint know how 2 use him ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The AFC isn't the powerhouse it once was relative to the NFC.

Massive disagreement here.

The pats, ravens, steelers, jets, chargers are all AFC.

The NFC West alone spoils the NFC.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Yall are blind, its obvious to see that Fat Al don't like Fag-a-han .. He don't complain n just give the company lines .. Not his fault redskins are disfunctional n paid 100 mil for a guy n aint know how 2 use him ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

FA money should go towards other areas.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 9:11 AM


Like where? What's more important than building the O-line?

We need 4 starting caliber lineman on offense alone...that's not to mention a NT and at least one DE on the other side of the ball. We're not getting that in the draft with only 5 picks.

If you can get him, you sign Mankins...that solidifies the left side of the line for at least the next 3-5 years. Then use your draft picks on D-line help and/or center and guard help.

One of the few areas the Redskins haven't screwed up in FA is O-line. Randy Thomas was very good for most of his time here and Rabach was solid during Gibbs 2.0. Mankins doesn't have an injury history or other red flags to make you think he'd be anything other than a stabilizing force on our line.

Good teams use free agency and the draft in tandem...not one or the other. You can still "build it right" and get a big FA. The two aren't mutually exclusive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Yall are blind, its obvious to see that Fat Al don't like Fag-a-han .. He don't complain n just give the company lines .. Not his fault redskins are disfunctional n paid 100 mil for a guy n aint know how 2 use him ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:21 AM

Hands down, the post of the day. It's actually embarrassing at times reading this blog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

brown, co-sign on getting Logan, he'd vastly improve this ol...Mankins, and Vjax, then go G in the first, and NG in the 2nd....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

If you can get him, you sign Mankins...that solidifies the left side of the line for at least the next 3-5 years. Then use your draft picks on D-line help and/or center and guard help.


Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:22 AM

You make a good point. But is he going to be deemed zone blocking compatible to the Shanahans?

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 7, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"I'm a man" he says... yes, he's a man who lays down in the middle of a play when the quarterback is 2 yards away. A "man" who needs a big attitude adjustment.

Posted by: unclelonghair | December 7, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, I don't care. Hes a grown man with a lot of money and obviously time. Everyone can make choices to or not to. Can the skins get a W? That's all I'm talking about and mess up somebody's playoff hopes.

Posted by: hammer4 | December 7, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Hands down, the post of the day. It's actually embarrassing at times reading this blog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 9:26 AM

Ah man, you just aint know genius when you read it.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 7, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Yes, maybe dominant was a bad choice of words, but the dude can run. I agree with shutting him down for the year, we need Williams and Davis taking the bulk of the carries to show their worth.

But Torain isn't the only one I would shut down for the year to get a better look at younger players, I would see what I've got in guys like Riley, Barnes, Jarmon, Cooke, Capers, Austin, and Young.

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse


Good teams use free agency and the draft in tandem...not one or the other. You can still "build it right" and get a big FA. The two aren't mutually exclusive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:22 AM |

what makes you think that mankins or any other GOOD FA would want to sign with this shipwreck ? just askin'

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

You make a good point. But is he going to be deemed zone blocking compatible to the Shanahans?

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 7, 2010 9:27 AM


From what I've seen of him (admittedly not much, but enough), he's athletic enough to fit the scheme and also powerful enough to win individual battles consistently and not spend the day on his ass like Lichtensteiger. But then again, McNabb was supposed to be EXACTLY what Shanahan was looking for at QB so God only knows...

Greg, we're on the same page there...Mankins and VJ in FA, O-line/D-line (any order) in rounds 1 and 2, then fill in the blanks with mid-level FAs. Hopefully we'll have a full complement of draft picks from here on out so we can do it the more conventional way moving forward.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Yall are blind, its obvious to see that Fat Al don't like Fag-a-han .. He don't complain n just give the company lines .. Not his fault redskins are disfunctional n paid 100 mil for a guy n aint know how 2 use him ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:21 AM

You could throw a laptop down the stairs and possibly get a thoughtful post than this.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Logan Mankins would be freakin great. I kep thinking back to when Steve Hutchinson went FA and got the biggest contract out there. People questioned it. we would be a mmuch better team if we had one upped that offer. Dont make the same mistake twice. Mankins wont play for the Pats due to trust issues, he says they lied to him. So he has to go somewhere else. Make this happen.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 7, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Hess, apply some common sense, dude...Mankins has at least 2 rings so it's not like he'll be chasing a championship. He's looking to be paid what he's worth and looking for the respect the Pats failed to show him. He can get both here. Plus Shanahan is a respected coach and should be able to reel in some top talent, regardless of what some of the punch drunk fans up here think of him.

I mean, really...we've had way worse teams than this and managed to get "good FAs" in the past. I don't know what makes you think anything has changed...other than your attitude toward the team, of course...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

The season is officially over now so there's no sense for him to be deactivated any more unless a major injury.Haynesworth will probably be gone next year and Shanahan may last another year or possibly two.

Posted by: curly44 | December 7, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

get rid of Shanahan, Albert, Dannyboy rest of the team and start over.

Posted by: mofares | December 7, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of Shanahan, Albert, Dannyboy rest of the team and start over.

Posted by: mofares | December 7, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

He should never be allowed in the locker room again. He's a disgrace and an insult to the players who try.

Posted by: ElSith | December 7, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will end up somewhere like the Giants where he will return to Pro Bowl form.

Dude came back this year lighter than he was last year, I really think he wanted to ball.

Shahahan made an effort to humiliate Haynesworth starting with training camp, and now that relationship is fatally poisoned.

There's blame on both sides, but Shahahan is no Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse


I mean, really...we've had way worse teams than this and managed to get "good FAs" in the past. I don't know what makes you think anything has changed...other than your attitude toward the team, of course...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:44 AM |

well brown, my attitude will change when I see the change that includes winning. mankin will get his money, but will sign with a winner. to say he'll sign with the redskins because shanahan coaches the team is a stretch.

also, it's was sad watching boy-boy pick up the red flag sunday and stuff it back into daddy's pocket, sad


Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I mean, really...we've had way worse teams than this and managed to get "good FAs" in the past. I don't know what makes you think anything has changed...other than your attitude toward the team, of course...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:44 AM

This part is true. Portis tells the story that when we acquired him and ripped up his contract and made his pockets straight that his cell phone blew up. He said, "man everybody was calling trying to find out how to get some of that Snyder money."

One thing is always true...It's common knowledge that we'll pay for anyone just don't ask us to use common sense when building a team.

Less true now that adults are in charge. ie McNabb contract...not the trade

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

From what I've seen of him (admittedly not much, but enough), he's athletic enough to fit the scheme and also powerful enough to win individual battles consistently and not spend the day on his ass like Lichtensteiger. But then again, McNabb was supposed to be EXACTLY what Shanahan was looking for at QB so God only knows...

Greg, we're on the same page there...Mankins and VJ in FA, O-line/D-line (any order) in rounds 1 and 2, then fill in the blanks with mid-level FAs. Hopefully we'll have a full complement of draft picks from here on out so we can do it the more conventional way moving forward.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I was checking Mankins out last night. Dude is big enough to control people at the point of contact, moves well, and he was also showing his skills at being a pulling G last night, he would immediately upgrade our line.

After Mankins and VJax, I'd really like us to make a run at either Ngata or Woodley, I think one of them might migrate if the $$$ is right.

2012 draft should be good cause, as long as we don't revert to old ways, we should have all of our picks, plus the 4th rounder for the Old Soup, and I think we'll get either a pick for trading Haynesworth or a compensatory pick, either way his ass is gone! Super Bowl champs in February of 2013!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Good teams use free agency and the draft in tandem...not one or the other. You can still "build it right" and get a big FA. The two aren't mutually exclusive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 9:22 AM | R

That's what I'm talking about. I'm of the opinion that there are at least three Olmen the Skins should target this offseason: Mankins, Kalil, and Harris. Getting any two of the three would allow the skins to add impact players on the D-line, LB, and/or skill positions. They can then build depth on potential on the Oline in the mid to later rounds.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Yall are blind, its obvious to see that Fat Al don't like Fag-a-han .. He don't complain n just give the company lines .. Not his fault redskins are disfunctional n paid 100 mil for a guy n aint know how 2 use him ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse
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Albert?
Shouldn't you be at practice?

Posted by: JONJJ | December 7, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

If you've kept Haynesworth around for 12 games and endured all the drama and nonsense he brings into the locker room every day, you might as well use the last four games to make him look as good as possible and reinflate whatever trade value he has.

Seems to me you should be able to get more for him during the offseason, when there might be a few teams interested, than there was before the trade deadline when Tennessee (and maybe Detroit) were the only viable options due to their familiarity with him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 7, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Make fat Albert inactive for the rest of the season. The less he plays the better he looks. (That's true for every guy on the skin's bench or practice squad. Right fellas?) Then try to get something, anything, for him in the off-season.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of being late, where's Reid today, isn't there supposed to be a dive ass post at 6:00 a.m.? I think him and Haynesworth went clubbin' last night!

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

just keyshawn fat albert already... if the bucs can bench keyshawn johnson for half a season... why can't the skins...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 7, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I have said this before and I'll say it again:

The one thing that worried prospective NFL suitors regarding Shamesworth was his conditioning - NOT HIS PLAY. As of this season, the LAST concern about Haynesgirth is his overall conditioning. Even though the guy misses more work than a government employee, he has likely been run in practice more this year than than the last 2 years combined.

The Skins will hold onto him for 2 reasons:

1. They don't want to let him go for zippy or be picked up by a division opponent.

2. Even though every NFL executive knows the Skins want to dump the fat fu*k, they'd still be willing to part with a 5th round pick for his services.

So, we'll wait.....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Dude, did you forget an 'R' in your UserID name?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

For all you wishful thinkers out there that want to "play AH's butt off", what's to stop him from taking plays off? You might say well he wouldn't do that because it would make him look bad to any potential suitors. Others might say has such low self-esteem that he would cut off his nose to spite his face. Maybe the Redskins should try to help him with physchological counseling, if they aren't already.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 7, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Um, I think character, attitude and motivation are all major red flags on Albert around the league, and all 3 are much higher on the list than conditioning.

And maybe now you could say in season drinking is on the list above conditioning as well.

If anyone really believes that GMs around the NFL are only worried about his conditioning, then you are way off IMO.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Monk, no chance Ngata or Woodley hit the market...those teams keep their good, young talent so the only way those guys see the open market is if the new CBA does away with the franchise tag. But I like your thinking...

TWISI, forgot about Kalil...skilled C, but I wonder if he's just a younger Rabach. I don't know him too well, but if I recall correctly dude isn't exactly the best lineman out there to take on a NT head on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

For all you wishful thinkers out there that want to "play AH's butt off", what's to stop him from taking plays off?...

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 7, 2010 10:13 AM

He will take plays off. He's not an every-down player. But he's the best we have when he's not taking plays off.

Also, he will bond more with his teammates in games... if he falls down and flops around, his teammates will clown him. He cares what they say.

Not playing him gives him cover, and also calls into question his coach's judgement. The defense is soft and the team is losing.

When your team has barely won 5 close games, lost a few embarrasing blowouts, and appears to be getting worse, it's a bad time for a head coach to simply choose not to play his highest paid player without a strong reason.


Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

At least this team has one guy who gets po’d when they play like crap. Good to see Orakpo throwing a fit on the sidelines. Need more guys like that who don’t like to lose. We could use a few guys like that on offense too. Someone needed to get in heyer’s face Sunday and let him know that “olay” is only good in bull-fighting. Can’t believe that they think “rotating” him and Williams is a good thing. Oh well…yet another December to be spent just rooting against Dallas, NY and Philly.

The thread here is about AH being hung over and the ad to the right is for a nice bottle of scotch….funny? It’s the only ad I’ve ever clicked on up here. Never even clicked on the cute little beagle pup.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 7, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Unless Mount Cody is really impressing people in balmo there is slime to zero chance that they let Haloti go. Same for Woodley and the steeleles, thats the kind of home growns they love to draft and hold on too. I dont think Woodley or Timmins will be leaving steel city any time soon.
Both them would be great but really theses oline dominating defenseman are the type of players we need to find in the draft. tough thing to do, the steelers and the ravens are both good at it.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 7, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Just sit him down, declare him inactive for the next four games, get him a subscription to StrippaNetFlix, deliver a truckload of hard lemonade to his McMansion, and rent him a couple of "pink toes" for the month of December.

What I mean to say is, do anything but let this narcisstic jerkoff disgrace the Redskin locker room or playing fields a moment longer with his bad attitude and disruptive presence.

Then as soon as possible into the off-season, unload his fat carcass on any other team willing to take him in exchange for whatever we can get -- including "free" stays at holiday time share, "discounts" on car insurance, or "free" extra toppings on our pizza pies.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Um, I think character, attitude and motivation are all major red flags on Albert around the league, and all 3 are much higher on the list than conditioning.

And maybe now you could say in season drinking is on the list above conditioning as well.

If anyone really believes that GMs around the NFL are only worried about his conditioning, then you are way off IMO.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 10:17 AM |

That's not accurate in today's NFL. You need to only look at the history of highly talented guys who were considered to be 'bad actors' (i.e. Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Braylon Edwards, Brandon Marshall, Dante Stallworth, Cedrick Benson, Chris Henry (RIP), etc.).

The egos of some of today's coaches believe that they can "change" a player and succeed in turning them into choir boys.

That's a proven fact and that proves that "charactor, attitude and motivation" rank well down the list when a team in need considers a highly talented guy.

The conditioning aspect with Haynes-worthless is a pattern that goes back to high school with him.

WG, as per usual, you miss the larger point in your zeal to disagree.

I know people like you. They're losers and no one ever takes them seriously.

I'm sure this comes as a shock to you.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 7, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Dude, did you forget an 'R' in your UserID name?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Maybe he's a fan of the swinging GATE!

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Albert can keep fighting trying to tell "his story" but he's only going to embarrass himself.

When your own teammates call you out or at best don't defend you, you're the problem, not everybody else.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Riggo, Schoeder, Manley, Sean Gilbert, Stubblefield, Westbrook, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, LA, ST21, LC, AA, Portis, JC, Fat Al, etc."

Wait...what?

Posted by: chrislarry
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The point being, they were all Redskins with some sort of controversy that occurred during the season.
They all became the 'story' of the season and the face of a problem in the organization.

Posted by: priceisright | December 7, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I remember people dogging our previous QB for being too much of a nice guy, preferring an arrogant dikkhead who would yell and scream to show his "leadership" skills.

Now we have a bona fide arrogant mofo jackass on defense, elite at his position, and some of those same people are saying he's too much of a dikkhead and he should sit?

Nice.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

He will take plays off. He's not an every-down player. But he's the best we have when he's not taking plays off.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 10:22 AM


Just think about that a second and apply that to similar scenarios:

-She's pretty plain looking. She's not one you'd brag to your boys about. But she'd be the hot if she put on makeup and didn't wear f-ed up clothes.

-He's a bad worker. He's only part-time. But he's the best we've got when he's not playing solitaire and downloading porn to his work PC.

-He's a poor student. He only takes 3 classes. But he'd be the best student in class if he studied and didn't have a learning disability.


Surely you can see why common sense would mean you pass on taking the girl to the prom, hiring the worker as a supervisor, or giving the student a scholarship...or not keeping them in those respective capacities if someone was actually dumb enough to give it to them to begin with...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Fire Shanahan!!!
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert go out get drunk.
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert walk through practice.
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert take naps in the middle of a play on a scheduled game.
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert dictate how things are going to be.
Yes. We the MORONS say: Fire Shanahan!

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26, you're leaving out the fact that he is elite at his position... not just average, even if he shouldn't be out there every down.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Now we have a bona fide arrogant mofo jackass on defense, elite at his position, and some of those same people are saying he's too much of a dikkhead and he should sit?

Nice.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 10:38 AM

I'll let you pause and think about how completely and totally misguided that statement is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

But Torain isn't the only one I would shut down for the year to get a better look at younger players, I would see what I've got in guys like Riley, Barnes, Jarmon, Cooke, Capers, Austin, and Young.

Posted by: monk811

Agreed, I would like to see what Cook and Capers have in them...Barnes was clearly not as bad as we were led to believe. Jarmon I would like to see play, pretty athletic guy, anything is better than Gholston, Kemo and Carriker at this point.

I still think we should re-align with a 4-3 and try to win some games this season. Nice rotation of all of the dline, would be nice, keep Fat Al fresh - if he is around.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

And if they could put me on the field and let me prove that I would. Getting fourteen snaps a game is not helping anything."

That quote is hilarious. Does AH really think he is capable of lasting for more than 14 snaps a game? All I see is a fat, whining, baby who is terribly out of football shape and is the biggest bust of the Snyder era!

Posted by: eedchic | December 7, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

new poll beeps. Balloting is close.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll let you pause and think about how completely and totally misguided that statement is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2010 10:43 AM

The conclusion looks misguided when you leave out the premise, as you did. But I never subscribed to the premise, and I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Repost for TWISI-

Here is a guy on a practice squad worth raiding and adding to the 53 man roster.

Shawn Crable 3-4 OLB

Drafted in the 3rd RD in 2008 out of Michigan by NE. Suffered a Shin injury his rookie YR and was put the IR. His 2nd season he had a groin injury and was again put on the IR. He's now healthy and on the Jet's practice squad.

He'd be a good get because of his upside and his experience playing in the 3-4 as an OLB. Easily would be an upgrade to LoA.

For a team lacking talent this would be a NO risk and potentially high reward move.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 9:09 AM

Also add these guys to the FA wsh list instead of overpaying for the "big name" guys. These are young guys that would be perfect for our system.

C Ryan Kalil (25)
RT Ryan Harris (25)
RB Jamaal Charles (23)
OG Carl Nicks (25)
3-4 OLB Tamba Hali (27)
NT Aubrayo Franklin (30 but a legit NT)
NT/3-4 DE Gabe Watson (27)
NT/3-4 DE Alan Branch (25)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If someone is hired to build a bridge, should they do it how they like to do it regardless of the terrain? Or should they do it so it's safe and gets the best result?

Shanahan is a joke. He should've come in and focused on what gives the team the best chance to win. That's what great coaches do. Instead he came in and went on a huge ego trip.

Shananhan should've put Haynesworth where he wants to play, where he signed to play, and challenged him to give 100%. There'd be no reason for him not too. That would've been smart.

Instead he focused on picking a fight with his best player on D. One who's paid a fortune to help the team. Stupid move. The coach is part of the problem here.

Haynesworth has been indefensible in his stance for sure. But does anyone believe with this D there's a huge difference between a 3-4 and 4-3? Come on.

Posted by: LongDistanceSkin | December 7, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't release him , trade him , whatever. We have given so much money away over the years and gotten nothing in return,that this is no different. I keep his f..A..& let him watch every game either from the sideline or in the booth . He wants to play, but after the way he screwed this team , for the duration of the contravt he would be inactive until it expires. Make him suffer with his 100m.

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | December 7, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Just my little 2 cents: The Redskins are getting what they probably deserve. This is the result of Snyder and his former side kick. They didn't do their due-dilligence on AH or gambled and didn't care in order to get another splash during Free-Agency which we're the kings of. I fault Dan and Cerrato but AH must take responsibility. He may have been promised a 4-3 defense but life comes with changes and for $100 mil you better be able to change with it. Shannahan was a good coach in Denver, not great! What has He done since Elway retired? now Joe Gibbs did it with 3 different QB's and even when He came back He went from great to good(well to get them to the playoffs with the lack of talent may still classify him as great). Shanahan, imo, think this is about his greatness and He'll show the NFL how to do it Shanny's style and Denver made a mistake. Sometimes you have to adapt your philosophy to the talent you have and not the other way around. We went from a top five defense to the laughing stock of the NFL. How do you go from 5th or top 10 to 28th? Hasslett is a good Def. Coordinator but not great! Labou is great! NE Coach is great! Rex Ryan ran a great Defense..why not just try the 4-3? the coaches are stubborn. You must take your players and devise a scheme that best suited for them and puts the team consistently in the best ranking and position to win. We need to build the O-line and D-line and until we do that...Donovan will regret coming here..we have no receivers that consistently scare anyone..our linebackers are old, secondary suspect, running backs old or fragile...so Shanny your way isn't compatible to old and slow vets. Draft speed around a physical O and D line. It's going to take years and smart choices..not splashy ones

Posted by: anointedebony | December 7, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Fire Shanahan!!!
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert go out get drunk.
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert walk through practice.
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert take naps in the middle of a play on a scheduled game.
We need a coach that can let Fat Albert dictate how things are going to be.
Yes. We the MORONS say: Fire Shanahan!

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Spurrier seems to be happy at S. Carolina, we have to find some other jellyfish.

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

the two shannys,haslett,and the o-line coach are the real cancers on this team.albert doesnt call plays for the offense,doesnt call out defensive schemes or alignments,so who is the real problem,or whats the real problem for this team?;

Posted by: billydee123 | December 7, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Two tears for Hanesworth and the Shanahans.

Posted by: Theone9 | December 7, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This was not from the organization. Haynesworth was out at the american tap room until 2am thursday morning (that is wednesday night into thursday morning). A waiter there showed Haynesworth’s bill to a Comcast reporter (apparently Haynesworth likes the drink: Skinny B-iaaach on the Rag).
The Comcast reporter checked with players who said that Haynesworth was definitely hung over. So they reported it.

Haynesworth himself admitted that he was out till “closing” at the Tap Room, but said he stopped drinking “around 12:30 or so”.

There are more reports that Haynesworth was late to practice Friday because he showed up to practice smelling like alcohol, the team tried to get him to take a breath-analyzer, he refused and called the union who informed the team that they were not able to force Haynesworth to take a breath analyzer.

That’s why Haynesworth was late to practice, and why the team didn’t let him practice.

The “organization” is not leaking this stuff, the players are. They have been seeking out reporters to get this story out there, they are fed up with his behavior.

Many of the players are on the record saying that Haynesworth is not willing to be a professional, and is not willing to help the team. Phillip Daniels, a self-described friend of Albert, put his name on the record and said:

“He let himself down. But in the process of letting yourself down, you let your teammates down in a lot of ways.”

“He just needs to think about what he’s doing on the football part of things and know that people are counting on you. Not the coaches, Not the organization, but your teammates are counting on you. That’s what I play for every day, my teammates. That’s the part of the game that slipped by Haynesworth.”

So don’t think that the “organization” is damaging Haynesworth. Haynesworth has done a pretty good job of doing that himself, and his teammates are the ones who are sick of it.

Posted by: butche106 | December 7, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I diagree with deactivating AH. I think for the next 4 games they should play him every single defensive snap. If he wants to play let him play. Heck if they have the chance they should play him on special teams also. Play him until he quits.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 6, 2010 11:48 PM

Remember he quits even when he is in the game.. Example, Mike Vick scampering around the right side of the line while fat Al is taking a knee while watching Vick score. This dude is good when he puts his mind to it, but he has done nothing but cause the Skins headaches the ENTIRE time that he has been here. We should cut our losses NOW!!

Posted by: sirmixx01 | December 7, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the most dysfunctional "team" I have ever seen!! SMDH

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 7, 2010 5:20 AM


The Raiders, Bengals, Vikings, and Cowboys send their regards. You should probably pay attention to other teams in the NFL...just sayin'...


Okay... Raiders, Bengals, Vikings, Cowboys and Redskins... all highly dysfunctional "teams". The truth hurts doesn't it, brownwood26?

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 7, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

If being hung over was a reason for players to be benched, a LOT of NFL legends (including Kilmer and Jurgy) would have spent many games as observers rather than as players. This is football, not heart surgery.

Posted by: qball43 | December 7, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It's really this simple: play Haynesworth

That's it. No more excuses Shanahan. Just play him. And Dockery. And Devin Thomas..oh wait, he's making plays for the Giants against us. And Jason Campbell..oh wait, he's 6-3 with a terrible franchise. And Justin Tryon...oh wait, he's making plays for the Colts. And Chad Rinehart...oh wait, he's playing for the Bills.

Never in my life have the Redskins made worse personnel moves than they have this season. Makes some almost long for the days of Vinny.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

NAH NAH NAH Gonna have a good time HEY HEY HEY

Posted by: pejochum | December 7, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

My kid: "I did not eat that cookie". Despite crumb trails and chocolate in the corner of her mouth, my daughter went on the offense today after being accused of eating her sister's cookie. "I am so tired of being blamed for EVERYTHING around here" she said, after wiping a dark brown streak of chocolate onto her white sleeve, further casting doubts as to the validity of her sotry.

Posted by: mountjacksonmudcats | December 7, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has been as much of a diva or more as Haynesworth. But he gets slack because he's the coach. It's worse becaue he's paid to make things work. But the player always takes the worst of it publicly in these spots.

Two things are true. One is Haynesworth was a really bad signing. The other is that the reason he got so much money is he can have a tremendous positive impact on the game for you.

The coach's job isn't to pander to him. It's to put him in the position he signed to play, wants to play and challenge him to deliver. If he doesn't then it's squarely on him.

The coach has done the exact opposite. He's become part of the problem. There are no winners here. Just a bunch of overpaid diva's and it starts at the top.

Posted by: LongDistanceSkin | December 7, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

OK, can we now finally stop talking about you know who?

Posted by: dcc1968 | December 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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