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Albert Haynesworth fined $7,500 for hit vs. Bears, report says

The NFL has fined Albert Haynesworth $7,500 for a hit the Redskins defensive lineman delivered during DeAngelo Hall's 92-yard interception return last Sunday at Chicago, according to an ESPN report.

Haynesworth was penalized by the league office Thursday for unnecessary roughness on a block of Bears offensive lineman J'Marcus Webb, which occured about 11 yards behind Hall as the cornerback streaked down the sideline.

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said he hadn't seen a review of the hit from the television broadcast, but he commended Haynesworth for his effort on the play.

"If a guy's 25 yards back, and a guy kills somebody, they say, 'Hey, that's a cheap shot,' " Shanahan said Thursday. "If he's got a chance to catch him -- if he's within 10 yards, maybe it's 12 yards --, they determine if he had a legitimate chance to make a play."

Haynesworth's block did not draw a flag on the play. However, Webb was not happy with the hit because his reaction on the field drew an 15-yard personal foul.

Shanahan said he might discuss the hit with league office.

By Rick Maese  | October 28, 2010; 9:19 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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what's going on with AH lately ? anyone ever report on his ass ?

Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 28, 2010 9:15 PM

AH's hit: Shoulder to chest. Unnecessary but borderline legal. If they throw a flag (we've been on the other side of worse calls) we probably don't score and lose. I like the hustle but the OG isn't Roddy White and he's not gaining 30+ Yds on DHall. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't…But it was a dumb play.

Aikman: Begging for an excessive celebration penalty. UFB. They should throw a flag on Marion Barber for celebrating after every 3 Yd gain.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 28, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse


of the last 10 threads, 5 were about AH

Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

hess-

If you'd like to avoid posts on AH then perhaps you should frequent a Brown's or Jag's blog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 28, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

hess-

If you'd like to avoid posts on AH then perhaps you should frequent a Brown's or Jag's blog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 28, 2010 9:45 PM |

Or any blog but this one. They should change the name of this to Haynesworth Outsider.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse


so it looks like the skins will start doughty and horton will get some playing time sunday in order to rest moore thru the bye. hope horton can play a decent game and prove he's not a flash in the pan

Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

For anyone interested in Brian Burke's statistical analysis, he has a website.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 28, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: donj1963 | October 28, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

WTF?!

The leagues' Ray Anderson himself used a blindside hit on a punter as an example of a legal hit on an defenseless player (Bears' Clifton blowing up Seahawks punter Ryan).

Quoting Sheriff Ray, "Now take a look at some positive plays. As these plays show, hard, effective hits can be delivered within the rules. A punter pursuing on a kick play is a defenseless player under the rules. The Chicago player avoids an illegal hit by going shoulder to chest, yet delivers a solid blow that takes the punter out of the play. Nice adjustment made here to play within the rules and avoid blowing a player up."

See the 2:20 mark on this video: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81b80962/Player-safety

The funny thing here, is that Bennett's lying writhing on the ground just as Anderson's voice over ends.

And Bennett's hit was way harder than Haynesworth's love tap.

Posted by: Basil_Cocksure | October 28, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this qualifies as a "bold prediction", but here's what I think happens this weekend- we play our best game of the year. McNabb brings the A-game for a change, D gets after their questionable QB situation, Torain and 'Tana have big days, Banks gets his first TD. Skins 31 Lions 13

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb brings the A-game for a change, D gets after their questionable QB situation, Torain and 'Tana have big days, Banks gets his first TD. Skins 31 Lions 13

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2010

I got the impression the Bears were making adjustments from when the Skins had skunked 'em out earlier, led to longer drives..S o , maybe be more fluid in play calling..Of course, don't drop so many balls early on, an early lead really helps the D..

Posted by: frak | October 28, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

But there is one voice which has never been heard before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MQi_vn2P2Y

Posted by: frak | October 28, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

WTF?!

The leagues' Ray Anderson himself used a blindside hit on a punter as an example of a legal hit on an defenseless player (Bears' Clifton blowing up Seahawks punter Ryan).

Quoting Sheriff Ray, "Now take a look at some positive plays. As these plays show, hard, effective hits can be delivered within the rules. A punter pursuing on a kick play is a defenseless player under the rules. The Chicago player avoids an illegal hit by going shoulder to chest, yet delivers a solid blow that takes the punter out of the play. Nice adjustment made here to play within the rules and avoid blowing a player up."

See the 2:20 mark on this video: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81b80962/Player-safety

The funny thing here, is that Bennett's lying writhing on the ground just as Anderson's voice over ends.

And Bennett's hit was way harder than Haynesworth's love tap.

Posted by: Basil_Cocksure | October 28, 2010 10:08 PM
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exactly. and it's not a to-the-head hit. that's the issue. concussions.

also, notice earlier, before the fine, shanny said, well, if the guy's 10-12 yards behind the play he still has a chance to make a tackle...then started talking about how do you draw the line. turns out albert was 11, i think. shanny knew that when he said 10-12...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 28, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

WTF?!

The leagues' Ray Anderson himself used a blindside hit on a punter as an example of a legal hit on an defenseless player (Bears' Clifton blowing up Seahawks punter Ryan).

Posted by: Basil_Cocksure | October 28, 2010 10:08 PM

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I immediately thought of that part of the "Legal Hits" video when I saw the Haynesworth story. The NFL will probably highlight some insignificant discrepancy between Big Al's hit and the one shown in the video and give a confusing reponse.

Roger Goodell better do something about correcting the image of NFL officiating and its administration. Fan discontent seems to be the highest in years.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 28, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

10/28/2010 News Flash - Devin Thomas was limited in Carolina's practice today due to a groin injury.

Portis injured his groin on 1 of 2,200 carries for 10,000 yards.

...no word yet on how Devin injured his.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/panthers-

Posted by: belly_kilmer | October 29, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Atleast he is playing! This team has so many hole. So when a player(s) are injured or stop playing well, its glaring. The league is so inconsistent with its fines and penalties. It isn't any wonder we haven't seen more touchdowns from players letting up on gang tackles because it might be "unnecessary"! I'll take "Over aggressive Albert" then "Non resposive turtle dove Albert"! Jeez! Remember the Dallas game?!?! He stunk!

Posted by: fullbagg | October 29, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Roger Goodell could be the commissioner of the NFL that single handily destroys the NFL brand with hypocritical rules and over bearing double standards. The NFL brand is starting to grow an alarming disconnect with the fans and what they want, and fining players $ 5 to $ 7.5 grand for plays which any nfl viewer that has watched football for at least 5 years (either college, nfl or even high school to be honest with you) has grown accustomed to being legal is outlandish. Now you can't even hit a player shoulder pad to chest...then I like most defensive players do not know exactly what you want from them.

Why dont they just tell them to have arena football league rules since the nfl is leaning that way anyways. If you ask most players they would rather get hit in the chest maybe chin area rather than down low into the knees and shines were a player can really receive immense season ending damage. I'm telling you if the nfl does have a lockout that lasts for a long period of the season the nfl brand as a whole will be ruined and have a really difficult time recovering its image. Because right now as this season is going on the nfl is already starting too see growing animosity from there one time loyal fans.

Posted by: culprit59 | October 29, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Warren Sapp obliterated Chad Clifton of the Packers a few years back. Clifton was out for a while. I don't see where AH should get fined for this hit. Sapp's hit was vicious, AH's was not.

Posted by: skinpig | October 29, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

This is the latest dance craze in Brazil. It, well... It is ... uh ... you have to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m0v9vzVrcE

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

And, honestly, if you're on the field and the whistle hasn't blown, keep your F'ing head on a swivel. Period.

I went after kickers, too, because you know they can hurt you later in the game. I used to like to take a legal but vicious hit on the opposing team's captain, to demoralize the opponent. Special teams, same thing. Big momentum swings there with an unconscious player on the field after the punt or whatever.

Football has been promoted as a game of emotion. Sometimes, emotion triumphs skill. We know this.

Well, they're trying to kill that part. That Webb should, SHOULD have his butt fined for running downfield and not noticing a 340 lb man closing in on him.

What the F was he looking at? His shoelaces? Let's all be nice to the non-aware types.

If Haynesworth knocks that guy out of the game on a legal hit, which it was, maybe Cutler throws 3 more picks to DHall!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

See, I thought football was SUPPOSED to be vicious. I took solace even in losses, knowing we'd played a physical, violent game. They may have gotten the game winning field goal, but they were just as sore as we were the next day.

What do the coaches mean when they say they like their team to play "physical?"

I'll tell you: They want their guys, regardless of their 40 times or salaries, to go out on Sunday and beat the ass of the man in front of them. If you beat that guys ass, you generally win the matchup. That's the game. It was until this year, anyway.

Oh, the times, they are a changin'.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

A mid evening posting... good job Maese.. be glad when you take over this blog, dude.

Posted by: iubiquity | October 29, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Rules haven't changed...

The league has just decided to police them.

It's like that 30MPH speed limit sign on a wide open road that has been there for years and has never been poiliced.

Just watch your speed because there is now a radar trap that will pull you over if you're cruising along above 40MPH.

It's simple…. adjust or be penalized/pulled over.

How is a helmet to helmet hit being penalized a bad thing?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 29, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

And, honestly, if you're on the field and the whistle hasn't blown, keep your F'ing head on a swivel. Period.

++++

Thinker - 'nuff said.

Dude's on the field. What if D Hall stopped and tried to cut back. A guy trailing the play could catch him.

This is just a stupid fine.

It's FOOTBALL. There all big boys. Look around.

Posted by: edvar | October 29, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

See, I thought football was SUPPOSED to be vicious. I took solace even in losses, knowing we'd played a physical, violent game. They may have gotten the game winning field goal, but they were just as sore as we were the next day.

What do the coaches mean when they say they like their team to play "physical?"

I'll tell you: They want their guys, regardless of their 40 times or salaries, to go out on Sunday and beat the ass of the man in front of them. If you beat that guys ass, you generally win the matchup. That's the game. It was until this year, anyway.

Oh, the times, they are a changin'.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Vicious is fine so long as it does not entail cheap shots. Intentionally going for a guys head is a cheap shot, as is any other intentional attempt to injure a player.

AH could have intentionally tried to hurt Webb, he chose to simply lay a stiff block. Hence I don't get the fine - it wasn't a cheap shot.

Maybe the game's code has evolved a couple of times in its history. Maybe the object was to simply score, with tackling and blocking as part of the legal play. Maybe the hitting took on a life of its own, an end in its own. Who knows.

I played ball too; I now have problems with my feet and knees. And I was amateur. I can't begin to imagine what a pro player's body is like at age 50. I can't fathom what keeps Favre going back. His feet are breaking down with minimal contact now.

I think the long term health has to be a consideration here.

Posted by: skinpig | October 29, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

This is the latest dance craze in Brazil. It, well... It is ... uh ... you have to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m0v9vzVrcE

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 12:34 AM

Dude's a dementia candidate. Nice way to get it, but stil...

Posted by: TheCork | October 29, 2010 2:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm not for unnecessary violence on the football field and I believe in playing by the rules, but I don't enjoy watching games that are completely chopped up by penalties and challenges. Especially when I have to endure constant analysis by the TV announcers and replay after replay after replay, some of which is simply idiotic nonsense.

This year I've seen some outstanding plays, including touchdowns, called back for reasons that mystify me. I'm not sure more rules is what the sport needs. And I really don't think that the league passing out fines like they're party favors is really going to accomplish much.

Whatever happened to unnecessary roughness?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 29, 2010 2:55 AM | Report abuse

LMAO. I just did a crazy calculation. Let's say for the sake of convenience that Albert made $20 million this year. My salary this year will earn me $40k. Fining Albert $7,500 is the same as my employer fining me $15.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | October 29, 2010 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Poor Albert. I figure he'll play maybe 300 snaps this season (maybe 10 games, maybe half of the average of 60 defensive snaps per game.) Divide that into the $21 million he got, meaning he gets paid $70K per snap. So he got fined $7.5K on the play, leaving him a net profit of only $62.5K for that one play...

I'm not suggesting that he should have been fined at all, but this certainly explains why fines alone don't have too much impact on a lot of players.

Posted by: pyrotech | October 29, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Redskins notes and analysis 10/28/10
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
10/28/10 7:57 PM EDT

1. Another long list of limited participants for the Redskins: RT Jammal Brown (hip), CB DeAngelo Hall (back), OT Stephon Heyer (ankle), SS LaRon Landry (Achilles), QB Donovan McNabb (hamstring), FS Kareem Moore (knee), FB Mike Sellers (foot).

2. On the Lions injury report: RB Jahvid Best (toe), S Louis Delmas (groin), WR Bryant Johnson (foot), LB DeAndre Levy (ankle), DE Turk McBride (ankle) were limited. LB Zack Follett (neck) has been ruled out for Sunday’s game.

3. Some interesting stuff on Jammal Brown from Mike Shanahan today. Shanahan said he’s “not confident” that the bye week following Sunday’s game at Detroit will be enough time for Brown to fully heal.

He missed last season after having hip surgery and has dealt with soreness since training camp started.

“There is improvement, not as much as we’d like,” Shanahan said. “It’s a mobility issue.”
The Redskins traded a conditional pick to New Orleans for Brown – it’ll either be a third- or a fourth-round pick in 2011. He passed a physical after the trade.

“I was expecting him to be further ahead than he is,” Shanahan said. “But you never know for sure. He’s working extremely hard. He’s a worker and he’s tough. I don’t think a lot of people would be practicing or playing with the pain he’s had.”

4. Meanwhile, Moore is dealing with sore knees after his surgery this summer that sidelined him for four weeks. Remember this when you want guys to return fast:

“You never know with those knees,” Shanahan said. “Anytime you have an injury like he did, he probably came back a little too quick and played a little too much. It got infected and it was swelling up pretty good. Hopefully the bye will help it.”

5. And now on to Albert Haynesworth, who spoke today. Then the coaches responded; nothing negative, mind you. But it is telling that they’re now using him the way everyone said he should be used. They’re not using him in the base 3-4, except for short-yardage situations; and when he does enter it’s often in a 4-3 look as an end or tackle.
However, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett said he could still play nose in a 3-4 – if he desired.

“Is it what he does best? Probably not,” Haslett said. “But it doesn’t mean he can’t do it…[But] trying to get him to do the 3-4 stuff was trying to get a square peg into a round hole and we tried to force the issues. Obviously it hasn’t worked out the way we liked.

“Good coaches in the league are smart enough to know that you try to get a guy to fit the system, but there’s no reason you can’t change the system to fit the guy. If you have a good player, get him on the field so you can use him.”

more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 29, 2010 5:22 AM | Report abuse

continued...

6. This is what teammates would say as well. They have long said to just put Haynesworth in the game and let him go. He’s a difference maker. “This guy is still a very big, explosive player,” defensive lineman Vonnie Holliday said. “When he’s out there, teams have to account for him….He was just behind the learning curve. You see that growth from being out there time and time again and it’s paying off. He’s gonna grow in this scheme. Who knows? Maybe one day he will like it.”

7. I don’t blame the coaches for seeing if he could play nose. Haynesworth hurt himself by staying away, thereby preventing them from ever knowing if he would accept his role or not. Then he missed too much time this summer because of conditioning issues and his knee. It took a while for them to fully determine whether he should or shouldn’t be in there.

8. That said, Haynesworth is a stubborn guy who is set on doing things one way. He’s made two All-Pro teams doing it that way; he wasn’t going to change his mind. He has opened his mind on the possibilities of himself in this defense. Whether he’s doing it to remind everyone that he can still dominate so someone trades for him in the offseason or because he likes these coaches and wants to stay, who knows. But he can still dominate.

9. By the way, one reason he stands up as a rush end? “It don’t matter. It’s something to change it up. Sometimes I’m too lazy to get in my stance.” At least he’s honest.

10. More Haynesworth: “[My goal] is just to keep playing and help teammates and make plays and I guess get noticed more so people can’t say I’m a bust.”

11. And, finally, Haynesworth’s block on J’Marcus Webb on the interception that, according to ESPN, will result in a $7,500 fine. The NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi said Wednesday that it should draw a $50,000 fine and wrote, “Haynesworth's violent helmet-to-helmet hit ranks up there with any of the hits that carried a huge fine last week. In fact, it was so bad, Webb retaliated and was called for a 15-yard personal foul.” To be honest, we fell down in failing to ask Haynesworth about the play but it’s an iffy situation. Webb was 11 yards behind the play and still jogging (albeit slowing down). It’s debatable if it was helmet-to-helmet so I’ll be curious what the league decides. Shanahan said he has not seen the TV replay of that play, so he’s not sure what the league will decide but he added, “I loved the effort. If we get everybody working downfield like that then you have a chance for good things to happen.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-notes-and-analysis-102810-106155319.html#ixzz13jp6u9uF

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 29, 2010 5:24 AM | Report abuse

How is a helmet to helmet hit being penalized a bad thing?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 29, 2010 1:10 AM

Um, because in this particular case, it was not helmet to helmet. Look at the video.

Haynesworth did what you are taught since pee wee to do: find someone to hit. It's not like the guy was on the ground and he got up a head of steam and drilled him. The guy was moving into position to make the tackle... YES, it's true: He had no chance, practically speaking. But, what we were always taught, namely, "On an interception, put the QB on his ass" would be a larger fine.

I just wonder when we are going to see a fine on a RB or TE, even a QB, who lowers his helmet on a tackler.

Hey, it's a penalty in flag football! I'm not kidding. The day is coming.

And speaking of unnecessary roughness, the day is also coming where there will be flags for tackling another player "hard." And "mean-spirited" or "vicious" blocks will draw penalties as well.

Just go flag. Do we really have to slowly evolve into it? Ditch the pads and let's go 8 man eligible. I'd still watch.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 5:45 AM | Report abuse

Moseley at ESPN.com finally got off Cowboy cock long enough to cover us:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/20645/high-turnover-rate-fueling-redskins-d

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 29, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

How is a helmet to helmet hit being penalized a bad thing?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 29, 2010 1:10 AM

Um, because in this particular case, it was not helmet to helmet. Look at the video.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2010 5:45 AM


Thicker_ -- He watched the video. He wrote in his post @ 9:41 "AH's hit: Shoulder to chest. Unnecessary but borderline legal." The post you're sniping at was about something else.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 29, 2010 6:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow...you gotta see this Jay Cutler/Jeff George comparision to believe it. I'm pretty sure Jay is Jeff's illegitimate son:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/101028&sportCat=nfl

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 29, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is an industry unto himself. He keeps Jason Reid employed at the WPost and now the NFL is going to fund their Christmas Party through fines leveled against AH.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | October 29, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

I don't care if it was 30 yards behind the play, if the guy was pursuing, he's fair game for a legal hit! What if someone did catch Hall and stripped him? What if there was a wild scrum for the ball? I'd hate to think the guy that recovered it I could have taken out of the play and not given him the chance!

Posted by: drfunknsoul | October 29, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

so it looks like the skins will start doughty and horton will get some playing time sunday in order to rest moore thru the bye. hope horton can play a decent game and prove he's not a flash in the pan

Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Great, looks like CJ is gonna have a field day. doughty and horton are gonna get burrrrrrrned.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 29, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow loose change for Albert....The big guy was still working hard 11 yards behind the play. Give Albert more playing time.. put him on special teams

Posted by: jercha | October 29, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

That was a great play and well worth the fine. Everyone know you go on attack on a turnover.

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 29, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This is ridiculus. He makes a really good block and he gets fined for it. They might as well go ahead and put flags, or maybe even skirts on the players. The game is supposed to be violent and the players knew what they were getting into when started playing football at 5 years old. The NFL is going to crap.

Posted by: goskins1721 | October 29, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Since when can you fine someone for a legal block? It's in the rules! Since pee wee football, coaches teach players to hammer everyone after a turnover. It's one of the rare gifts of the rules when defensive players get to return the favor to the offense. I'm getting a bit tired of this NFL pampering.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | October 29, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

He should not be fined. What if Hall gets hit and fumbles the ball? Webb is then in position to make a play for the ball and you know the big dudes get real physical when everyone is piled up trying to get the football.

Great job Fat Albert. That's how you play the game!

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 29, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Looks like there may finally be a thaw in the Haynesworth-Shanahan Cold War....wrote about it on my blog.

http://briancarroccio.blogspot.com/2010/10/has-cold-war-ended.html

Posted by: bricarr2 | October 30, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Total BS. If the guy did not want to get hit he should have stopped chasing the runner. Good work Big Al.

Posted by: KRIKET | October 31, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

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