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Albert Haynesworth on the switch to a 3-4, his workout and Shanahan

Over at the D.C. Sports Bog, which is essential reading if you enjoy great writing and laughter, Dan Steinberg has an item about Albert Haynesworth's appearance Monday on SIRIUS NFL Radio with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon.

Haynesworth made his first public comments about Washington's switch to a 3-4 defense and the coaching staff's plan to use him as a nose tackle. Much of what he said is essentially what people familiar with the situation have been telling us for weeks. And although Haynesworth isn't thrilled with the idea of playing nose tackle, he made it clear he has not requested a trade.

"Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," Haynesworth said. "I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Haynesworth also discussed his decision to primarily work with a private trainer instead of spending most of his time participating in the offseason conditioning program at Redskins Park, and he confirmed he informed the Redskins of his plans. Obviously, it would be better for the Redskins if Haynesworth expressed excitement about making the switch to the nose, but that's just not reality.

Haynesworth is aware of Washington's huge financial commitment to him (he is guaranteed a $21 million option bonus next month) and was dissatisfied in his play during his first season with the team, people familiar with the situation said. Haynesworth takes great pride in being considered among the game's elite players, people who know him well say, and he is determined to revert to the dominant form he exhibited during the 2007-08 seasons with the Tennessee Titans.

Coach Mike Shanahan probably took it as far as he could at the moment with Haynesworth, who did report for beginning of the workouts as he said he would. Shanahan knows he will have to "manage" Haynesworth in an attempt to get the most out of him, and accepting that Haynesworth will do his own thing at times this offseason was the beginning of that process.

By Jason Reid  |  March 22, 2010; 3:30 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Jason Reid  
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Comments

Boo on controversy over Albert H... was a huge difference maker last season, no reason to expect he won't be the same this season, even in a new system.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Im not feeling good about this

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Jason, what have you learned about this situation or any other for that matter? You know aside from copying off another reporter's paper??

This was on PFT hours ago today.

Posted by: MadeRED | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I once took about 50 of my trainees on a tour of the White House. We were all in our service dres uniforms and on the way in, we got booed and had eggs thrown at us. They did use the term bab-killers.

It really upset some of my younger troops. I just told them that it was because of us that there were able to act like such knuckleheads.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM

Wow....Was this around the early 2000s? Sad......My brother has already done 3 tours in Iraq....Lost some close friends he was telling me about while he's home.....

...I'm keeping my SJK right behind this CPU....Thanks to the soldiers

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

For the amount of money he's getting paid I'd go damn near anything they asked me too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

For the amount of money he's getting paid I'd go damn near anything they asked me too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah me too ALMOST anything!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | March 22, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Look at the picture of Bradford on the main page.

Posted by: Rypien11

Looks like the small hands burger king dude?

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 22, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth is working hard and getting in shape, I don't think it'll be an issue. As long as he's back for the install of the defense and accepts his role, he will not be a distraction.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Change is hard but winning will cure all his concerns but he has to be willing to buy in...21 mill.. he has no choice.

Posted by: hammer4 | March 22, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"he is guaranteed a $21 million option bonus next month"

In the words of Ron Burgundy: that doesn't make any sense.

How can you be guaranteed an option bonus? Where the options (1) retain Haynesworth and give him a $21 million bonus, or (2) opt out of Haynesworth's contract and give him a $21 million bonus?

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

n't confuse making the redskins roster and being a good quality NFL player....PA is right, collect and make smart draft (best player avaiable) picks and smart plan B style FA's, but overall its a younger bigger strongrer faster cheaper expendable NFL....establish an indenidity and build around that, players are just commodities to be used until they have no future value... the key is to get rid of them just as they peak and begin they're decline, let someone else pay them....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I can't make an educated statement on the Haynesworth situation until I hear what DeAngelo Hall has to say.

Posted by: dovelevine | March 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Haynesworth will look a lot happier if this team starts winning, regardless of whether or not he's playing NT, DE, or DT.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

So....Because AH is owed so much $$ from the Redskins, he gets to NOT attend the offseason workouts w/o gripes from anyone from the HC to the Beat Reporter despite a 'lackluster' season...


BUT....Because CP is owed so much $$ from the Redskins, he is expected to show up at everything Mandatory and be a leader. And irregardless of him doing that, he will still receive 'assumed' gripes from the HC and be the main target of the Beat Reporter despite being injured due to concussion symptoms.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

How can you be guaranteed an option bonus? Where the options (1) retain Haynesworth and give him a $21 million bonus, or (2) opt out of Haynesworth's contract and give him a $21 million bonus?

Posted by: psps23

yup, those are the options

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

MIKE SINGLETARY wants him and will trade the #13 pick and a sixth to get him and his contract provided the REDSKINS pay the option money due this year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


Look at the picture of Bradford on the main page.

Posted by: Rypien11

Looks like the small hands burger king dude?


Posted by: stevek20147


http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610895/sports/player_news

Jimmy Clausen has 9-inch hands

Jimmy Clausen - QB - College PlayerMore team newsFeb. 26, 2010 - 7:00 PM ET
Among the top quarterbacks measured at the Combine, Jimmy Clausen's were the smallest at nine inches.

Clausen's hands aren't Alex Smith-esque (8 1/2 inches), but are smaller than Sam Bradford (9 1/2"), Colt McCoy (9 3/8"), and Tim Tebow's (10 1/8"). Teams like to know measurements like this, but it shouldn't hurt Clausen's stock.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, it would be better for the Redskins if Haynesworth expressed excitement about making the switch to the nose, but that's just not reality.
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Why? First, I don't think anyone's said he'll be playing nose full time. From the Bog article it seems like he doesn't know what his role will be. I could care less whether he's excited, so long as he does his job (wherever he's playing) during the season.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert was Danny and Vinnie's toy.

Also, spitting on or throwing eggs at American soldiers is disgraceful. Good thing it never happened.

http://www.slate.com/id/2158608/

Posted by: mack1 | March 22, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Few things you should know about the "Money Honeys" or an hooch in general…

....


HAZARDS:
1. Highly dangerous except in experienced hands.
2. Illegal to possess more than one, although several can be maintained
at different locations as long as specimens do not come into direct
contact with each other.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM

Why you telling us this? This looks like the warning label that you've prepared for Tim Tebow.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Boo on controversy over Albert H... was a huge difference maker last season, no reason to expect he won't be the same this season, even in a new system.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

a difference maker like when he's needed to stop a third and short he takes himself out of the game? I'd drop him quick and take the hit, trade him if you can even if it costs money. Get guys that want to play hard!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 22, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

MIKE SINGLETARY wants him and will trade the #13 pick and a sixth to get him and his contract provided the REDSKINS pay the option money due this year.

Posted by: glawrence007

Its a too little in terms of picks we get in return, but worth exploring. Though I'm not sure Danny has the coin for it. $21 million + 2 large rookie contracts is real $$$, even for Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

That tub of slow lard fat Albert H. thinks he can train himself, what happened last year. The bum was the worst conditioned player on the team. He needs to be watched and trained. Cut our losses and trade the fat turd.

Posted by: stephenwilson2003@yahoo.com | March 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM


= Classic

Oh and btw, anti-Hall troll alert just went into effect.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

AH is a unique talent. Even in terrible condition AH was effective. He's going to train on his own? Like he did last year? I have mixed feelings. If he comes in and is in the best shape he's been during his heyday with the titans then cool. But I just don't like this whole loner mentality. Hang with your fellow D-line for a couple of days.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 22, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

How can you be guaranteed an option bonus? Where the options (1) retain Haynesworth and give him a $21 million bonus, or (2) opt out of Haynesworth's contract and give him a $21 million bonus?

Posted by: psps23

Sweet Lincoln's mullet!

Apparently fat Al is the one with options; i.e. make an appearance and then leave "voluntary" workouts.

And 4thFloor your last post nailed it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Sweet Lincoln's mullet!

Posted by: Diesel44

CLASSIC!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Had a Vietnam vet work for me for a few years in the mid '80's. We spoke about his experiences. I don't recall any egg throwing or spitting comments, but he did say there was plenty of disrespect.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Change is hard but winning will cure all his concerns but he has to be willing to buy in and I think fans naturally ride the high price guy more than any other player but when he plays he PRODUCES!!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | March 22, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Once right after 9/11 my now ex-wife got spit on as we were walking into a 7-11. Something about how are "sins came back to haunt us" or something like that.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Last year he did not train with the guy he's training with this year.
The guy he's training with this year is the same guy he trained with during his best years in Tenn.

So, while I think he should train with the team for unity/leadership purposes, at least he's training with the right guy.

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"I missed this RI Celeb dust up. Can someone update me?"

"First, my name isn't on the list, so I don't care."

"But basically some arrogant clown posted the names of those dudes he tends to pay attention to, and folks who weren't mentioned are now on their way to the drug store to buy tampons."

"At least that's what I think you do when you're on the rag about something that doesn't really matter."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

MISTAMOE:

You da' man. Hot damn, crack me up, LOL, fall down funny. Had to go and change my shirt and rag over that one. Coffee everywhere. Shorted out the keyboard. DAMN, LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

1965, stephenwilson, do you really think our defense would improve if Albert Haynesworth were off the team? I can't imagine how that makes sense. He wasn't perfect last season, but he made our defensive front much better, especially our pass rush... Good grief...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Once right after 9/11 my now ex-wife got spit on as we were walking into a 7-11. Something about how are "sins came back to haunt us" or something like that.

Posted by: CheyenneWY

Do you have the contact info for the spitter? I also have an ex-wife

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I still like AH nastiness during gameday. I believe he referenced B Jacobs size, 6-4 250 lbs, as no biggie he was that size in the 7th grade. something to that effect. He seems a little high strung and just needs to loosen up. Washington's your home now big fella. Might just be his personality, that you can't change. JUST come into this season in shape.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 22, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

So....Because AH is owed so much $$ from the Redskins, he gets to NOT attend the offseason workouts w/o gripes from anyone from the HC to the Beat Reporter despite a 'lackluster' season...


BUT....Because CP is owed so much $$ from the Redskins, he is expected to show up at everything Mandatory and be a leader. And irregardless of him doing that, he will still receive 'assumed' gripes from the HC and be the main target of the Beat Reporter despite being injured due to concussion symptoms.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 3:57 PM
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The big difference is Big Al said he was going to shut up and play and CP can't even shut up and practice.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

chey, what was your reaction to your wife getting spat upon?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Last year he did not train with the guy he's training with this year.
The guy he's training with this year is the same guy he trained with during his best years in Tenn.

So, while I think he should train with the team for unity/leadership purposes, at least he's training with the right guy.

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Was it the Buger King guy or Ronald Mc Donald

Posted by: richardgovea | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | March 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

It all depends on who we pick up or what draft picks we use to fill the void. I don't want a guy that takes himself out on critical 3rd down plays, no.

BTW, how's the great Northwest today? Love it there.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

So....Because AH is owed so much $$ from the Redskins, he gets to NOT attend the offseason workouts w/o gripes from anyone from the HC to the Beat Reporter despite a 'lackluster' season...


BUT....Because CP is owed so much $$ from the Redskins, he is expected to show up at everything Mandatory and be a leader. And irregardless of him doing that, he will still receive 'assumed' gripes from the HC and be the main target of the Beat Reporter despite being injured due to concussion symptoms.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 3:57 PM
-------------------------------------------
The big difference is Big Al said he was going to shut up and play and CP can't even shut up and practice.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Plus, AH can still play at a high level, its not clear if Portis can. And the cost to get rid of Portis, while not cheap, is a lot less than Albert.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I understand that the newspaper industry is having problems selling papers but come on Jason Reid , Hayneworth has never mentioned the word trade!

The guy just got or is about to get 21 million dollars he no longer has to deal with Blatche and his conservative schemes nor listen to Blatche when he talked, about how Haynesworth prescence had no bearing on London Fletcher an other linebackers making more tackles..Yeah right
Enough!!!!!!!! The guy made a decision prior to Shanahan taking over to get his own personal trainer, BIG DEAL LET IT GO

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

AH is practicing with the same trainer this year as he practiced with in his final year in Tennessee. Apparently he didn't practice with a trainer last year. I don't think this is a bad thing. The fact that he took it upon himself to get away from the McDonald's training program shows he realizes his body wasn't right last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"I think with [Shanahan] being at the helm it's gonna be awesome,"

Really, all this AH is unhappy talk needs to subside. Given what the Bog is reporting, this looks like he's pretty excited and determined about next season.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

It's nice today out here, 1965... cloudy with intermittent sun, maybe a little drizzle here and there. I can't see the mountains from our office but other than that, for late March, it's a pretty good day.

I love it out here, though we kind of got short-changed on snow this winter... which I should say quietly up here since so many of you got absolutely clobbered with snow.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins should be able to trade Haynesworth in April after Snyder eats the option money. Then we'll get to see Haslett work his magic with broken-down Daniels, broken-down Kemoake(sp?), and Kendrick Goldston.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The fact that he took it upon himself to get away from the McDonald's training program shows he realizes his body wasn't right last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Right on. I think that "training" camp last year sealed our fate before the first game even started!

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

brother-in-law lives in Salem and he says it's been a warmer winter than normal. Climate change for you

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

1965, stephenwilson, do you really think our defense would improve if Albert Haynesworth were off the team? I can't imagine how that makes sense. He wasn't perfect last season, but he made our defensive front much better, especially our pass rush... Good grief...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Nate. And can you imagine if we are "forced" to take Suh at #4, because Bradford and Okung are taken. AH, "Kan I eat you", and Suh across the front, with Carter and O-sak-po at OLB. Teams will only have 2.5 seconds to get off pass, so we play a press D with our corners.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Theres a turd in the punchbowl....

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"I'll do whatever they ask me to do"

except for work out like they want.
become a leader.
train with my teammates.
play two plays in a row...

Posted by: ChrisWoody | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The big difference is Big Al said he was going to shut up and play and CP can't even shut up and practice.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Plus, AH can still play at a high level, its not clear if Portis can. And the cost to get rid of Portis, while not cheap, is a lot less than Albert.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 4:22 PM


Hypocricy is what we used to call it back in the day.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Was it the Buger King guy or Ronald Mc Donald

Posted by: richardgovea | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse


My sources say it was the ghost of Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's... with special assistance from that creepy Jack In A Box guy.

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

So, why are Tebow's hands so large???


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"I'll do whatever they ask me to do"

except for work out like they want.
become a leader.
train with my teammates.
play two plays in a row...

Posted by: ChrisWoody | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM

Chris, you need to do something about that woody -- all your blood has left your brain. "Man up a hard don't think good."

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"I once took about 50 of my trainees on a tour of the White House. We were all in our service dres uniforms and on the way in, we got booed and had eggs thrown at us. They did use the term bab-killers.
It really upset some of my younger troops. I just told them that it was because of us that there were able to act like such knuckleheads.Posted by: CheyenneWY"

Was this any chance around the time of the Vietnam War?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Jack in the Box guy has normal sized hands... they just appear small in comparison to his oversized melonesque dome.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Once right after 9/11 my now ex-wife got spit on as we were walking into a 7-11. Something about how are "sins came back to haunt us" or something like that.Posted by: CheyenneWY"

I once got spit up on in the 7-11 by a GI in full uniform. He was pretty drunk.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

dcsween calls the phenomenon something like "global climate weirding", and as usual I'm inclined to agree with him.

Speaking of how nice a day it is, what am I doing at work-work when I've got yard work I could be doing? Got rain-showered out yesterday after "wasting" a ridiculously gorgeous Saturday with the family... ah well. It'll be there whenever I get to it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

if we are "forced" to take Suh at #4

If Suh is there at #4, my brain is telling me to trade down for more picks.


(of course, my heart is telling me...F scoring points, let's just pick Suh and brutalize in ught10)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 22, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

chey, what was your reaction to your wife getting spat upon?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I was in uniform, so I could not respond in the manner in which I was accustomed.

disclaimer: I am up for promotion so I am practicing my political correctness.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

soooooooo, last years 4-12 season falls on the coaches' shoulders... coaches coach... players play... man up fat albert and dhall!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

10-4....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you need to do something about that woody -- all your blood has left your brain. "Man up a hard don't think good."

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 4:39 PM

Creepy ...

Posted by: ChrisWoody | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Was this any chance around the time of the Vietnam War?


Posted by: Samson151

Nope, summer of 2002

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you need to do something about that woody -- all your blood has left your brain. "Man up a hard don't think good."

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 4:39 PM

l-s, you'd trade your kingdom for one of Chris's “woodys”. Must be why you're never at a loss when it comes to cognitive function.

Doesn’t explain why you watch Jim Cramer with the volume muted tho..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I just think that by this time of year we are so used to drama....with true professionals at the helm, we dont have nay.

So I think we are trying to make some drama...hence the AH "issues". I think it definetly has the possibility of being a distraction later on; especially if AH isnt performing well. he can say "I told you so"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I just think that by this time of year we are so used to drama....with true professionals at the helm, we dont have nay.

So I think we are trying to make some drama...hence the AH "issues". I think it definetly has the possibility of being a distraction later on; especially if AH isnt performing well. he can say "I told you so"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Love how we continue to be linked to the big names, only know it comes with this caveat...for the right price.

Rosenhaus says he's talking to three teams about T.O.
Posted by Mike Florio on March 22, 2010 4:47 PM ET

When free agency launched on March 5, only two teams (presumably the Ravens and Bengals) showed an immediate interest in receiver Terrell Owens. After Baltimore traded for Anquan Boldin and Cincy signed Antonio Bryant, the market apparently dried up.

But maybe it didn't.

Per Jason La Canfora of NFL Network, agent Drew Rosenhaus says he's in "active discussions" with three teams regarding Owens, that there's "no set number" for a contract, and that a deal might not be done until the eve of training camp.

In our view, interest in T.O. probably is tied to the outcome of the draft and/or the availability of Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall. If the Seahawks, for example, don't get Marshall, they may want Owens. And if the Broncos move Marshall, T.O. could be an option.

We also wouldn't rule out the Redskins, for the right price. For years ago, it was then-Denver coach Mike Shanahan who first kicked T.O.'s tires. But Shanahan wanted a bargain; Owens held out for -- and got -- a three-year, $25 million contract from the Cowboys.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Shanahan is mostly concerned with winning the 'war' with Albert.

Shanahan lost the first battle, which is to show up for offseason workouts. But its just the first battle.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth is working hard and getting in shape, I don't think it'll be an issue. As long as he's back for the install of the defense and accepts his role, he will not be a distraction.

Posted by: TWISI

Yes, because as Clinton Portis has taught us, special treatment for certain privileged, highly paid players never causes controversy and is great for team bonding.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If this team played a 3-4 last year they wouldn't have signed Haynesworth.

This is an example of putting a system together while ignoring the talents of the people who will use it.

System first, players second. Not smart.

Haynesworth won't finish his career under Shanahan, that's for sure.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

F*ck to.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 22, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

So, why are Tebow's hands so large???

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe
__________________

They naturally grew to the size of his gf's mammalia.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 22, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

LOL, not the reason i was thinking of ooga.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 22, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

disclaimer: I am up for promotion so I am practicing my political correctness.

Posted by: CheyenneWY

So you were on a salary drive? Anyway, good thing you weren't wearing one of Cheny's vests or driving a soft-side HumV, or those tossed eggs might have caused some damage.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth definitely helped out last year... He was certainly part of the reason both Orakpo and Carter had double digit sacks... he is a space eater, takes on double/triple teams and still is sometimes able to get up and make the play himself... no question he was insturmental in helping the D be as good as it was last year (in hindsight how good was it??? but thats another conversation)...

Moving on, that is not to say that our D cannot be good without him. We had a better defense, statistically, without him 2 and 3 years ago. Fewer sacks less, but also fewer yards and fewer points. The question is not do we need him, the only question that matters is, does he care? If he comes in motivated and ready to go... then we are poised to have a dominant defense, no matter the scheme we use. Haynesworth is a difference maker when he wants to be and can make any defense a solid one...

It's too bad though that he doesn't want to be dominant anymore. Anyone who is going to receive a check for 21 million dollars, BEFORE THE SEASON starts... is going to lose some of their motivation. Especially a man like Haynesworth whose effort has always been connected to his ability to get paid.... He's been paid, and so his effort is only going to go downhill from here...

Thus, if we can find someone willing to take on his contract and in return give us something valuable back then we have to at least explore it don't we?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth is working hard and getting in shape, I don't think it'll be an issue. As long as he's back for the install of the defense and accepts his role, he will not be a distraction.

Posted by: TWISI

Yes, because as Clinton Portis has taught us, special treatment for certain privileged, highly paid players never causes controversy and is great for team bonding.

Posted by: TheCork

Every coach has these issues and none treat everyone the same. The key: you can't have double standards.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If this team played a 3-4 last year they wouldn't have signed Haynesworth.

This is an example of putting a system together while ignoring the talents of the people who will use it.

System first, players second. Not smart.

Haynesworth won't finish his career under Shanahan, that's for sure.

Posted by: SteveMG

Actually, signing the wrong player for the wrong system never stopped Cerrato--remember Jason Taylor?

Otherwise I agree. With all the problems on offense, forcing changes on the D, the strength in the past, makes little sense.

As of now, a slew of defenders will either have their skills diminished or be playing at new positions. Haynesworth, of course, and Fletcher is now a 3-4 LB, Rocky Mac is now inside, Carter has no position, and Orakpo, a better DE than LB is a DE. Plus rotation guys like Golston & Monty will be moved or without a position while the only true NG is recovering from Achilles surgery.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

This pushes out 4th, 5th, & 7th picks back..

Here is the full list of compensatory picks awarded according to Schefter, with the overall pick next to each:

Round 3
Cincinnati -- 96
Tennessee -- 97
Atlanta -- 98

Round 4
Cincinnati -- 131

Round 5
Pittsburgh -- 164
Atlanta -- 165
Pittsburgh -- 166
Minnesota -- 167
San Diego -- 168
Green Bay -- 169

Round 6
Carolina -- 202
Jacksonville -- 203
Carolina -- 204
New England -- 205
San Francisco -- 206
Tennessee -- 207

Round 7
Indianapolis -- 240
Tennessee -- 241
Pittsburgh -- 242
Philadelphia -- 243
Philadelphia -- 244
Seattle -- 245
Indianapolis -- 246
New England -- 247
New England -- 248
Carolina -- 249
New England -- 250
Oakland -- 251
Miami -- 252
Tampa Bay -- 253
St. Louis -- 254
Detroit -- 255

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Tennesse got the 3rd Rounder because of Hayneworth....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

AH will end up playing... and dominating... at DE in the 3/4 scheme.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 22, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Really p1... are you going to say that even though he could be a great NT, its a bad idea to move him because he is a great DT? That makes no sense... it is not a waste of his abilities if he is BEING GREAT at what he does.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Right.

And I think Larry Fitzgerald could be a GREAT blocking tight end. He's big and strong, and if he is GREAT at it, then why does it matter if he's not playing WR and going deep?

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth is working hard and getting in shape, I don't think it'll be an issue. As long as he's back for the install of the defense and accepts his role, he will not be a distraction.

Posted by: TWISI

Yes, because as Clinton Portis has taught us, special treatment for certain privileged, highly paid players never causes controversy and is great for team bonding.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Apples and oranges, Cork. Where is the "special treatment"?

The offseason workouts are voluntary so there's no discipline that can be applied to AH for not participating.

If AH starts pulling a "Portis" and spends regular season practices standing on the sidelines wearing sweats b/c he just thinks its better for him not to practice, then I'll join the chorus of criticism.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't make much difference how well Fat Albert performs, at least until the offensive unit figures out a way to score some points. Have yet to be convinced the dudes on the offensive side of the ball can move it, or score, any better than last year. And if the offense continues to go three and out with the same degree of regularity as last season, Fat Albert and company are going to be sucking wind like a beached whale -- again just like last year.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 22, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Boo on controversy over Albert H... was a huge difference maker last season, no reason to expect he won't be the same this season, even in a new system.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM |

Boo on this post. He was a difference maker last season but not a huge one. He was out of shape, had no stamina and for the $$$ he was getting he could have done a lot better than he did. Once we hear that ka-ching and $21 M gets dumped in his pockets let us hope the next pockets we hear about are the ones he is pushing back into the QBs face.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

@CheyenneWY, are you sure there wasn't a second spitter?

Posted by: jwash4472 | March 22, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

AH is not going to do anything crazy until the $21,000,000 check cleared the bank......

Posted by: Reality09 | March 22, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise I agree. With all the problems on offense, forcing changes on the D, the strength in the past, makes little sense.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 5:11 PM |

You seem to be blithely unaware of the turnover count this "strength of the past" D had last year.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes, because as Clinton Portis has taught us, special treatment for certain privileged, highly paid players never causes controversy and is great for team bonding.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 5:00 PM |

So I guess last year when players like Fletcher, and Samuels, and Daniels trained away from Redskins Park it made them terrible team mates. In fact their training away from the team really caused their play to suffer last. It's a matter of getting prepared for the training camp at this time of the year as bargained in the CBA. You would note I mention him being a part of the installs and other non voluntary parts of the offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This pushes out 4th, 5th, & 7th picks back..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 5:18 PM

Yeah but -- ha ha -- it screws Miami with that 6th they got from us. That pick is now like 14 picks lower. I think Vinny could see this coming when he tossed that pick in. Take that, Bill Parcells!!

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I love reading the comments to these articles. It really gets a laugh out of me. Anyone who watched the Skins games and couldn't see the impact that Albert Haynesworth has on the field has no understanding of the game of football what so ever. I remember years prior when teams would be in a 3rd and short or 4th and short situation and made it almost EVERY time. Last year the Skins consistantly stopped those situations when teams decided to run BECAUSE of Haynesworth. He also consistantly pushed the pocket from the DT position and at times looked completely unblockable. WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY HE OR ANYONE ELSE MAKES?!?!?! This coaching staff doesn't appear to be dumb and I'm sure they'll utilize Haynesworth in a manner that best helps this team be successful.

STOP CRYING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!

Posted by: eazy413 | March 22, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but -- ha ha -- it screws Miami with that 6th they got from us. That pick is now like 14 picks lower. I think Vinny could see this coming when he tossed that pick in. Take that, Bill Parcells!!

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 5:52 PM

We're talking about Vinnie here. It was just lucky.

Posted by: edvar | March 22, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

And I think Larry Fitzgerald could be a GREAT blocking tight end. He's big and strong, and if he is GREAT at it, then why does it matter if he's not playing WR and going deep?- P1

thats a completely differen argument. A NT in a 3-4 scheme makes as large a difference as a disruptive DT in a 4-3 scheme, possibly more. His actions affect the game more so than a simple sack or a simple tfl. While having a GREAT blocking TE does help the team it is not the difference in winning and losing... while a dominant NT does. His ability to clog the holes, eat up space and do the work that no one wants to do changes games in a way that a simple sack can never do. haynesworths BIGGEST contribution to our team last year was being double/triple teamed which opened up space for carter and orakpo... you realize that right? He wasn't disruptive on his own very often....

He had what 3 sacks? He will do that from the NT position as well... the NT position is meant for a man like Haynesworth. That is where he truly belongs... a huge body able to take on 2-3 men and still win, while opening up space for his teammates....

Comparing a NT in a 3-4 scheme to a blocking TE is retarded. You know it, but you are trying to prove your point... which is a retarded one. Moving Larry to TE is a completely different switch, eliminating his ability to change the game. Moving Haynesworth to NT does not eliminate his ability to change the game. He is single handedly holding up our defensive front 7... and without a man who can do that a 3-4 scheme will ge raped week in and week out....

It is not that simple P1... it isn't, please stop claiming it is.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

AnimalFarm, shall we, ah, "agree to disagree" on Mr. Haynesworth's contribution to the team in 2009, then?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about Vinnie here. It was just lucky.

Posted by: edvar | March 22, 2010 5:59 PM

Actually not. It was truly stupid. Vinnie thought he was going to the Super Bowl. He thought he was giving up the 31st or 32 pick in the 6th round or, with the compensatories, the 10th or 11th in the 7th. Well, it is actually the 5th pick in the 6th round. Even Parcells couldn't have expected the Redskins would do that bad.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

CheyenneWY when the protesters threw eggs at you were you riding a unicorn? Because they might have been trying to feed the unicorn, because everyone knows unicorns love raw eggs.

Posted by: mack1 | March 22, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I think a D line of Haynesworth, Kemoeato, and Daniels would be tough to run against. A D line of Haynesworth, Kemoeato, and Carter - with Orakpo charging in from LB a just plain scary.

Did someone say "turnovers?"

Posted by: edvar | March 22, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Attn. Sims signs with 49ers Redskins loss again . So now what so we do at left tackle

Posted by: joevick2 | March 22, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

True dat League.

Posted by: edvar | March 22, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

MIKE SINGLETARY wants him and will trade the #13 pick and a sixth to get him and his contract provided the REDSKINS pay the option money due this year.
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Is this for real? If so I'm down. Get suh or McCoy to replace him at pick #4 and then an OT at #13.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 22, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Attn. Sims signs with 49ers Redskins loss again . So now what so we do at left tackle

Posted by: joevick2 | March 22, 2010 6:10 PM

Same thing they were going to do -- draft someone or wait until after the draft and pick up someone who gets cut because they were replaced by a young stud.

Sims was never the solution. He's a backup, not a starter. And he wasn't going to leave San Francisco for a one-year deal.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Comparing a NT in a 3-4 scheme to a blocking TE is retarded. You know it, but you are trying to prove your point... which is a retarded one. Moving Larry to TE is a completely different switch, eliminating his ability to change the game. Moving Haynesworth to NT does not eliminate his ability to change the game. He is single handedly holding up our defensive front 7... and without a man who can do that a 3-4 scheme will ge raped week in and week out....

It is not that simple P1... it isn't, please stop claiming it is.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse


My point is all about putting players in a position to maximize their talents...how is that a "retarded" point?

Using AH as a space-eater does not maximize his talents as a quick powerful nasty Dlinemen who is at his best getting into the backfield.

Are you maximizing AH's talent by putting him in a situation where he is more likely or less likely to deal with double-teams?

Particularly if you already have a guy or 2 that you can use as a NT. The primary purpose of a 3-4 NT is to be a fat-arsed paper-weight and hold up Olinemen. Sometimes you get a NT who is also a disruptive force (like Jay ratliff) but that's the exception and not the norm.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

What have you been drinking draft and start a rookie unless Chris S. I would not think so or sign some one who is no better then a back up that no answer either .

It is time to ask the Front office just what are they doing

Posted by: joevick2 | March 22, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Attn. Sims signs with 49ers Redskins loss again . So now what so we do at left tackle

Posted by: joevick2 | March 22, 2010 6:10 PM
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another FA says No....
Wonder when these FA's visit, if Shanny Jr is sitting next to Shanny Sr during the interview, playing good-cop bad-cop like Donald Trump's (austin powers like) mini-me son does, on The Apprentice? That would run me off.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it: if Haynesworth were a FA this year, this Skins team would not go after him. Well, not very hard.

He doesn't fit into what they want to do defensively. A 3-4 doesn't maximize his talents and you don't pay umpteen million for a guy that doesn't fit into your system.

It's going to be a long haul....

Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I think I agree with you, p1funk, but I'm not sure. I'm excited about having Albert in the rotation for our D line, wherever he lines up in the 3-4 on any given play.

I think Haslett's going to maximize his talents as a quick, powerful nasty D lineman who is at his best getting into the backfield, as you say. In that regard, I think Haslett is different than Blache...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I just heard on the Fan radio show (Lavar's show) that Fat Albert wants to do his own training with own trainer and not train with the team. WTF! He is not a team player IMHO and probably the worst free agent ever for the Skins! Lavar ripped him and I totally agree. You just finished 4-12 and you will not step-up as a team leader and join your teammates in training. What a blunder. Wish there was some way to get rid of his big fat cancerous butt!

And this SI article states him saying, he will do want the team wants him to do. That's obvious a big mis-quote! Shanahan is not happy with his arrogant decision to leave Ashburn to work out with some other trainer. What a slap to the new training coaches on this team.

Posted by: TKing1 | March 22, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

And this SI article states him saying, he will do want the team wants him to do. That's obvious a big mis-quote! Shanahan is not happy with his arrogant decision to leave Ashburn to work out with some other trainer. What a slap to the new training coaches on this team.

Posted by: TKing1 | March 22, 2010 6:31 PM

=++++++++
agreed..thats not the respect Shannahan usually receives or expects. Mark Schlerth's (sp?) take on this would be interesting..

Skins should trade AH to a 4-3 team for a 2nd and a 5th and split the bonus with the acquiring team.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

That's obvious a big mis-quote! Shanahan is not happy with his arrogant decision to leave Ashburn to work out with some other trainer. What a slap to the new training coaches on this team.

Posted by: TKing1 | March 22, 2010 6:31 PM

How do you know what Shanahan is feeling. Just because a blow hard ex player has a problem with Big Al not being here, what makes you think SHanahan does? Do you think LaVar has his finger on the pulse of the current Redskins team..get real.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Using AH as a space-eater does not maximize his talents as a quick powerful nasty Dlinemen who is at his best getting into the backfield.- P1


That does maximize his talents. haynesworth prides himself on taking on double teams, opening up space for his teammates and then breaking through those double teams to make the play... Go back and read what Blatche said about him when we signed him... what Schwartz said when he left Tennessee about him. Haynesworth best attribute is his ability to take on 2-3 people and win.

Also, you do realize you made my point with the Ratliff comment right? Are you telling me Haynesworth would not be a better NT than Ratliff? He is more explosive, larger, and quicker.

While I understand your point of maximizing talent... NT would fit him perfectly.... again... you cannot compare moving a DT to NT with moving a WR to TE... they are completely different switches that have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Using AH as a space-eater does not maximize his talents as a quick powerful nasty Dlinemen who is at his best getting into the backfield.- P1


That does maximize his talents. haynesworth prides himself on taking on double teams, opening up space for his teammates and then breaking through those double teams to make the play... Go back and read what Blatche said about him when we signed him... what Schwartz said when he left Tennessee about him. Haynesworth best attribute is his ability to take on 2-3 people and win.

Also, you do realize you made my point with the Ratliff comment right? Are you telling me Haynesworth would not be a better NT than Ratliff? He is more explosive, larger, and quicker.

While I understand your point of maximizing talent... NT would fit him perfectly.... again... you cannot compare moving a DT to NT with moving a WR to TE... they are completely different switches that have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Using AH as a space-eater does not maximize his talents as a quick powerful nasty Dlinemen who is at his best getting into the backfield.- P1


That does maximize his talents. haynesworth prides himself on taking on double teams, opening up space for his teammates and then breaking through those double teams to make the play... Go back and read what Blatche said about him when we signed him... what Schwartz said when he left Tennessee about him. Haynesworth best attribute is his ability to take on 2-3 people and win.

Also, you do realize you made my point with the Ratliff comment right? Are you telling me Haynesworth would not be a better NT than Ratliff? He is more explosive, larger, and quicker.

While I understand your point of maximizing talent... NT would fit him perfectly.... again... you cannot compare moving a DT to NT with moving a WR to TE... they are completely different switches that have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth's skill is to go upfield and blow things up at the line of scrimmage and not go side-to-side. He's not going to run down any backs from the end position.

And he's not a nose tackle.

He doesn't have a position in a 3-4.


Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

its been so long since I've given out the link, so here it is.

http://www.fightmusic.com/mp3/ivy/Cornell__Give_My_Regards_To_Davy.mp3

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

no offense "peoplearestupid1" but, its abit amusing when you have a RI handle called "peoplearestupid" and then hit your return key twice resulting in a double post....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

agreed... my work computer freaked out i guess... not really sure what happened... but certainly proves my point... people are stupid.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

does Vegas take NFL Trade odds? I bet AH is traded before April 22nd.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

That does maximize his talents. haynesworth prides himself on taking on double teams, opening up space for his teammates and then breaking through those double teams to make the play... Go back and read what Blatche said about him when we signed him... what Schwartz said when he left Tennessee about him. Haynesworth best attribute is his ability to take on 2-3 people and win.

Also, you do realize you made my point with the Ratliff comment right? Are you telling me Haynesworth would not be a better NT than Ratliff? He is more explosive, larger, and quicker.

While I understand your point of maximizing talent... NT would fit him perfectly.... again... you cannot compare moving a DT to NT with moving a WR to TE... they are completely different switches that have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse


Haynesworth is good at alot of stuff.

He draws double teams b/c opposing defenses decide to do that to minimize his impact. When that happens in a 4-3 set, it is "disruptive" because it frees up other linemen.

Putting him at NT simply puts him in a position where you typically take double-teams as a regular course of the position. Keamatou is going to take a double team at NT. Montgomery is going to take a double team at NT. There is nothing "disruptive" about a 3-4 NT taking on a double team. That is the design.

Don't you see the difference??

If you put him at DE, then you have the defense having to decide whether to double team the DE and NT, or just one or the other. THAT is going to disrupt the offense. At DE Haynesworth would have to deal with fewer double teams...isn;t that a good thing? Isn't that the best case scenario?


Don't you try to put your best WR into positions where you get one-one coverage? Isn't that better than having him deal with double coverages, even if he's good at dealing with them?

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander will be running down those RB's that get away from Haynesworth

Posted by: coparker5 | March 22, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

agreed... my work computer freaked out i guess... not really sure what happened... but certainly proves my point... people are stupid.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 6:50 PM
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A double entry "computer freak out" usually happens when IT puts ip mirroring devices on employee work stations to see if they are wasting time blogging on fan sites.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

no offense "peoplearestupid1" but, its abit amusing when you have a RI handle called "peoplearestupid" and then hit your return key twice resulting in a double post....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:45 PM |

You do realize that the program that is used to generate this blog, "loseable type" frequently double and triple posts don't you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 22, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that the program that is used to generate this blog, "loseable type" frequently double and triple posts don't you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 22, 2010 6:57 PM
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nice..haha..dont forget to tip your waitress...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 6:38 PM

Or better yet...the scenario from the article you posted earlier where Haynesworth and Campbell goes to the Rams (1st & 2nd) and Cooley to the Patriots (2nd) the Redskins would end up with:

1st pick overall: Sam Bradford - the new franchise QB. He would start right away, making a Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez impact.

4th pick overall: LT Russell Okung - to protect and to serve Bradford.

2nd rd pick 33 from the Rams: DT Brian Price - he is not Haynesworth but a big man for the front 3 - possibly at NT.

2nd rd pick 37: Carlos Dunlap - mean pass rusher in the 3-4.

2nd rd pick 47 from the Patriots: RB Toby Gerhardt - after learning the ropes Toby will be ready to break through in 2011.

If the Lions get Okung the Redskins will go for either Suh or McCoy then in the second it could be Charles Brown at LT instead of Brian Price at DT.

Someone please try this on Madden to see if it’s possible..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Someone please try this on Madden to see if it’s possible..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 7:01 PM |
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its an orgasmic win-win for everyone.....
(so it probably will never happen)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

SnaGM-

No chance but I would have made that trade yesterday.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

AnimalFarm, shall we, ah, "agree to disagree" on Mr. Haynesworth's contribution to the team in 2009, then?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 6:01 PM |

Poll says:

Pigs - yes
Horses - yes
Chickens - no
Sheep - yes
Cows - yes

So we will agree to disagree, sir, and have nice night up there in Portland OR.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong: isn't the purpose of the defensive line in a 3-4 to essentially "occupy" the offensive line and then the linebackers "clean things up"?

I.e., the nose tackle clogs the middle, the ends contain each side of the field and then the linebackers plug the holes or blitz?

Haynesworth isn't an "occupier". He's an attacker. That's his personality.

It seems to me that this ain't going to work.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is a game changer, no doubt about it. But he is still going to go down as one of the biggest, if not THE biggest free agent busts EVER, IMO.

Posted by: BMACattack | March 22, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that AH says he can get in shape on his own...Yet, last year, he became the only player in the history of the NFL to leave a game with a sprained butt cheek.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

They should consider dumping this guy. Unfortunately if the 21 mil is guaranteed, I guess it doesn't make sense. But if we can dump him and not pay him anymore, I think its time to cut our loses.

He gets paid 100 mil and doesn't want to pay his best position??? He won't even come in for offseason??? This guy is a clown. Get rid of him.

Posted by: ndickover | March 22, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong: isn't the purpose of the defensive line in a 3-4 to essentially "occupy" the offensive line and then the linebackers "clean things up"?

Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 7:16 PM |

I think you are right pal. In Pittsburgh's 3-4 the LBs like Harrison get all the pub and the DL dudes are grunts. Haslett/Shanahan are using the 3-4 to play mind games with AH. It's like when your kid misbehaves you threaten to send him to his room. With Big Al its like dude, get in shape or we send you to the 3-4 gulag.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The $21m option bonus is guaranteed and protected. As is his 2010 and 2011 base salaries.

Posted by: PCinOz | March 22, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

So TWISI, for whatever it's worth, the article thingy you linked includes this nugget: "...Haynesworh [sic] only showed up for the first day of voluntary workouts then left for the week. Edwin mentioned Big Al was not the only player to do so. There were multiple players that did this. I don't see it as a big deal. They all received their conditioning programs and were told what was expected of them." [emphasis mine]

So... much ado about very little? Has to be considered a possibility, given it's March 22 and we hamsters need to be fed...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth was outta shape all last season and STILL made his presence felt when he was in the game. If the man says he's getting in shape in his own, then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt....

...cause there's a new sheriff in town and his name is Mike Shanahan.


Also...why is everyone so up in arms? Every team has a diva. (Riggins, Manley, Clark)...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 22, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Also...why is everyone so up in arms? Every team has a diva. (Riggins, Manley, Clark)...

All three of whom played every game, every play. All out. Gamers.

They didn't take plays off. Didn't have to.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth was outta shape all last season and STILL made his presence felt when he was in the game. If the man says he's getting in shape in his own, then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt....

Posted by: rickyroge | March 22, 2010 7:35 PM
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Yeah, butt..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/3/22/1384615/devin-thomas-sheds-some-light-on

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 7:25 PM

My two favorite quotes..

Devin: "Coach [Shanahan] was like, 'You guys really ran this!?!?' I mean...our formations were so predictable...the way we lined up. They knew what we were running every time."
Hogs Haven: "Yea...and it's the 'execution'...right Zorn."

Hog Haven: “What do your teammates say about your modeling, your cucumbers under your eyes..”
Devin: “I’m into my female audience.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Yet, last year, he became the only player in the history of the NFL to leave a game with a sprained butt cheek.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:19 PM |

sprained butt cheek = gluteus max?

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX you picked up that huh? Too bad many others didn't. If you read the DC blog posts, Haynesworth seems excited about having Shanahan as his coach, and excited that normalcy has come to Redskins Park.. go figure?

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Complaining about off season workouts? Really? Shanahan knows he doesn't need to win every battle in order to win the war.

If Albert succeeds on his own, Shanahan will find a way to be OK with it. Maybe even bring in Albert's trainer to help other guys on the team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is not the answer to the Redskins being successful in the 3-4...He isn't going to give us all the warm fuzzy that Sean Taylor (*sniff*) gave us when he walked on to the field. Please don't compare Al to Riggins (Super Bowl MVP), Manley (Ring x2), or Gary Clark (ring)...

Posted by: DConOahu | March 22, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Yet, last year, he became the only player in the history of the NFL to leave a game with a sprained butt cheek.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:19 PM |

sprained butt cheek = gluteus max?

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 7:44 PM |
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sprained butt cheek = Buttockal Debacle

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

In my attempt to give the JC haters some more puss to fester on, I present Haynesworth on JC and Zorn's playcalling (excerpt from the DC Sport bog)
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"Strange" is as apt a word as any. The most damning comments, though, came when Haynesworth was asked to pass judgment on Jason Campbell's prospects. Haynesworth had publicly supported the quarterback several times last season, and here he did so again, in the process scuffing a bit more dirt on Jim Zorn's pants.

"I mean, the guy, he can play," Haynesworth said of Campbell. "He can play. He's got some things he's got to work on, but what quarterback doesn't other than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady? The guy, he's a good player, he can be one of the top quarterback in the NFL.

"I would talk to him and he would tell me some of the things they would call. It could be third-and-7, and he said they'll call a play that was for third-and-3. And I was like, 'Dude, why don't you change it, why don't you change the play?' He was like, 'If I change the play, they'll get mad, and I'll hear all about that stuff.' It was really different. I didn't quite understand some of that stuff."

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

One of the things on the Casserly video regarding Campbell is a play where Cooley goes downfield, breaks to the inside and is wide open.

Thing is, when Cooley makes his break, Campbell is still dropping back. The pattern was mismatched to QB's dropback. Is that execution or design?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"I would talk to him and he would tell me some of the things they would call. It could be third-and-7, and he said they'll call a play that was for third-and-3. And I was like, 'Dude, why don't you change it, why don't you change the play?' He was like, 'If I change the play, they'll get mad, and I'll hear all about that stuff.' It was really different. I didn't quite understand some of that stuff."

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 7:59 PM
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Cant blame him.. he got paid no matter if the Skins won or lost. If he doesnt have the competitive fire inside..you cant teach that.
I'll take a pain-in-the-ass-in-your-face QB anytime.
Read somewhere once about a Colt WR that hated going back the bench after screwing up a play.. He didnt care about the coaches it was knowing that Peyton would be working his way down the bench to him and getting on him. You never see that with soup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse


David White, of the San Francisco Chronicle, reports the San Francisco 49ers have re-signed unrestricted free-agent OT Barry Sims to a one-year deal worth $3.1 million.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

we hamsters need to be fed...

We are out of control in this regard.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 22, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

*refresh*


*refresh*

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 22, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

He didnt care about the coaches it was knowing that Peyton would be working his way down the bench to him and getting on him. You never see that with soup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 8:10 PM |

Good point. He sometimes has this blank expression on his face like he has tuned everthing out. But to expect him to chew out a screw-up might be expecting too much. You need cred in order to make that work and you can only get cred if you are a QB by taking your team downfield to score the game-winning TD in a hail storm.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 22, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Good point about the good point...unfortunately for us, Grossman doesn't have the cred either.

Posted by: DConOahu | March 22, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

we hamsters need to be fed...

We are out of control in this regard.

Posted by: _Stumped_

http://www.fightmusic.com/mp3/ivy/Cornell__Give_My_Regards_To_Davy.mp3


eat it up. its good for you

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Good point about the good point, and the unfortunately for us. Colt Brennan doesn't have the cred too.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Good point about the good point, and the unfortunately for us. Colt Brennan doesn't have the cred too.

Posted by: TWISI

Haha...I agree. Somebody call John David Booty.

Posted by: DConOahu | March 22, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

http://1067thefandc.radio.com/2010/03/22/nothing-to-worry-about-yet/

One last look at this Haynesworth non story.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

...Yet, last year, he became the only player in the history of the NFL to leave a game with a sprained butt cheek.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 7:19 PM

Big deal. My wife left "the game" just last night with a sprained butt cheek.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

On Albert Haynesworth, as a business owner, I feel the pain of Daniel Snyder; not that I care since he, once before, put me out of business by purchasing Landover Mall. In any leadership forum, if you have a case like that of Albert; a ferocious athletic lineman second to none in his trade, you do what Shanahan is doing, manage him; and hope his performance exceed expectation this season, then trade or cut him while he least expect. Don't ever cut an excellent player, unless his attitude is detrimental to the team, until you find a suitable replacement.

Posted by: abxinc | March 22, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Big deal. My wife left "the game" just last night with a sprained butt cheek.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 9:05 PM

She must be running out of excuses to pass up playing "ball" with you..

Problem I have is that wife likes "double headers" and I'm usually looking for the showers after the first "game".

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Problem I have is that wife likes "double headers" and I'm usually looking for the showers after the first "game".

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 9:31 PM

Sudden death overtime! "It's suddenly dead. Time's over. I win. Now clear the stadium and go to sleep."

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey All - happy offseason. Looks like we are maybe division champs in offseason this year but not a SB lock (BTW that is good news - tired of winning the offseason).

Anyway, i saw a couple of comments on compensatory picks and wanted to pitch in:

1) thanks to Diesel for posting results. I follow that compensatory pick predictor guy adam (if you've read his stuff, you know what I am talking about) and was hoping for at least a 7th (non-compensatory) and a shot at Mr. Irrelevant. But not a big surprise that Redskins get nothing.

2) As per previous posts, isn't the Mayor supposed to be posting this stuff, not us? It is not like it was some kind of October surprise or something.

3) As to those who are happy that our previous 4/5/7 trades ended up lower than expected due to compensatory picks: dudes, compensatory picks are in the same range plus or minus every year. Shifting a few spots from the baseline compensatory pick count is more or less the expectation. Most GMs have compensatory picks projections (Scott Pioli in NE always had them on the whiteboard in his office - both his NE and other team projections). The bigger shocker (at least for those receiving our picks) was the horribly low finish and resultingly much higher value for our picks, not the more or less expected dilution due to the compensatories.

Oh well...Mr. Irrelevant next year? One can only hope...or fear this outcome...

Posted by: zornskins2 | March 22, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 22, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Looking for a trade? Call 1800Eagles,they have 11 picks!

Posted by: abxinc | March 22, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Everybody knows what a disaster the play calling was most of last year, and how poorly designed many of the plays were. The signature play was that horrific deep hand-off stretch play to CP, that always seemed to take 5 minutes to even make it to the line of scrimmage, and always seemed to result in no gain or a loss. Even my beagle knew it was coming at least twice EVERY time the Skins would get a 1st and goal. That doesnt escuse Campbells mistakes or areas he needs to improve in, but the JC haters never acknowledge ANYTHING good or positive about the man, and ALWAYS exaggerate the negatives. I will say again, give JC a functional coach with a functional offensive system and a functional O line, and you may not see a Manning or Brady, but you WILL see a good NFL QB perfectly capable of taking us to the superbowl

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 22, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Few things you should know about the "Money Honeys" or an hooch in general…

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Pretty effing spot on.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 22, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

give JC a functional coach with a functional offensive system and a functional O line, and you may not see a Manning or Brady, but you WILL see a good NFL QB perfectly capable of taking us to the superbowl

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 22, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, that Hoghaven joint TWISI posted earlier shed a little light on this issue, what with the short dumps called on 3rd and 7s and whatnot.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 22, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," Haynesworth said. "I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Problem is he's already a distraction, blasted his coach last year and now won't show for "voluntary" workouts. This guy is not a leader, he's a self-centered jackass.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 22, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Gator WR enjoys having 'a real quarterback'
Posted by John Taylor on March 22, 2010 8:26 PM ET

Tim Tebow has accumulated more than his fair share of detractors over the last three months, and figures to accumulate even more in the weeks leading up to the NFL draft. From draft analysts to general members of the media to fans, there seem to be individuals around every corner looking to take a shot at the former Florida quarterback and his pro potential.

Now, however, even a former teammate is looking to get in a shot or two on the former Heisman winner for how he orchestrated the QB position at the collegiate level.

Aside from Urban Meyer's return, the biggest storyline for the Gators this spring is John Brantley taking over UF's offense. Brantley is more of a throw-first QB, especially when compared to Tebow's "go through two reads, run like Pamplona bull into opposing defense" style of play.

The differences between the two quarterbacks has not been lost on his teammates, especially wide receiver Deonte Thompson. And, whether or not Thompson meant it to come out the way it did, his words as quoted by the Orlando Sentinel when talking about the differences between Brantley and Tebow were a direct, biting shot at the latter.

"You never know with Tim," Thompson said. "He can bolt. You think he's running but he'll come up and pass it to you. You just have to be ready. With Brantley, everything's with rhythm, with time. You know, a real quarterback."

Ummm, ouch?

Obviously, this means little or nothing as far as the 2010 Florida Gators are concerned, but it's still a little jarring to see an ex-teammate take a shot -- however indirect or unintentional it may have been -- at one of the iconic college football players in the last quarter century.

Again -- "A real quarterback"???

That stings me and I'm pretty much agnostic -- compared to most -- when it comes to Tebow. And, I would assume, it's a quote that Urban Meyer will not appreciate when it comes to his attention, especially in light of the criticism he's received for what observers see as a QB woefully prepared for success at the next level.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

If you can trade Haynesworth, do it. This guy is all about himself.

Posted by: jmy999 | March 23, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

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