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Albert Haynesworth still with Redskins as trade deadline passes

If Albert Haynesworth leaves the Redskins, it won't be via trade. The NFL's trade deadline passed at 4 o'clock on Tuesday afternoon and there was apparently no movement on the Haynesworth front. That means he'll remain a Redskin and will finish out the season in Washington unless the team opts to release him.

The Redskins have been willing to trade Haynesworth since the offseason, multiple league sources have said, but no teams were willing to meet Coach Mike Shanahan's asking price - believed to be a second-round draft pick.

So what now?

Haynesworth has played in three of the team's six games thus far. He's still not starting and still doesn't seem to have a clearly defined role with the team. Shanahan said he didn't feel Haynesworth was mentally or physically ready to play last Sunday against Indianapolis, following the death of the defensive lineman's younger brother.

Shanahan hopes a full week of practice will better prepare Haynesworth for this weekend's trip to Chicago.

"He's getting some conditioning in and getting back into the flow of things," Shanahan said on Monday. "So hopefully once we start practicing on Saturday [if] he's feeling pretty good and his mindset is ready to go, he's had a few days of conditioning and he'll be ready to go this week."

But even if he is ready, it's unclear what Haynesworth's precise role will be. The last time Haynesworth set foot on the field was Oct. 3 at Philadelphia. Shanahan said that was Haynesworth's best performance of the season, adding that if he continued to play that way, he'd likely see increased playing time.

Coaches met at Redskins Park on Tuesday to map out the team's game plan for the week, and Haynesworth could be actively involved in the game plan.

They'll meet with players on Wednesday morning to install that game plan. The team's defensive line hasn't been particularly strong this season, and they could use a player of Haynesworth's skill level. Coaches just need to figure out how to fit him in the scheme. Perhaps the easiest and quickest solution would be to give him more reps in the nickel and dime packages, which has made up much of the defense's strategy the past two games.

By NFL standards, the Bears have small offensive guards, and Haynesworth usually dominates small guards.

Haynesworth, who signed with the Redskins in February of 2009, already had been paid $32 million before the start of the 2010 season - only his second in Washington. The two-time all-pro player has base salaries of $3.6 million this season and $5.4 million in 2011. The money was guaranteed as part of Haynesworth's record-setting contract, but the guarantees were voided when Haynesworth's skipped minicamp.

In discussing Haynesworth, Shanahan has repeatedly said that he wants to play his players. With the trade deadline past and much of the speculation gone for now, the question around Redskins Park becomes: Is Haynesworth good enough to help this defense?

By Jason Reid  | October 19, 2010; 4:12 PM ET
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Comments

Yah! Time for a beer!

Posted by: demonj21 | October 19, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hooray! Now we can move on to some real news

Posted by: faux1 | October 19, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where our kickoff coverage unit ranks?

They have been great this year.

Chris Wilson, Lorenzo Alexander and Mike Sellers are killing people.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Poor guy; but fear not, the genius that is Shannahan and Pinochio (sp) Allen will do something brilliant like cut him on Saturday afternoon.

Posted by: guisher | October 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Now what? Play him (can't hurt), sit him as an inactive (which means more questions each week), release him (not likely). Best option is to play him, raise his trade value and deal him in the off season if possible. Cap wise, the Redskins will do what works best for them of course. The key is Haynesworth - will he become a bigger distraction by his words and deeds, or will he hunker down and play football. It's all up to Mr. Haynesworth now. It's not like he can't play.

Posted by: bfjam | October 19, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

where would we be if Haynesworth played vs. Indy?

where would we be if Hunter Smith was in camp to COMPETE for the punting/HOLDING job?

5-1?

It's going to get harder not easier.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I actually laughed out loud when I saw this headline. This has become absolutely ridiculous. I think JReid is doing this stuff on purpose. I mean, he can't be this stupid and tunnel visioned can he? Can he?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I love that photo with his tongue hanging out - looks like when he's walking in the all-you-can-eat ribs buffet.

Posted by: nativedc | October 19, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes JReid, Albert Haynesworth is good enough to help this defense.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

So Jason. What are you going to do now that your golden reporting egg didn't hatch?

You've been stroking this Haynesworth trade crap since April, and riding Shanahan's jock because he had the gall to blow up your story about 8 million times, so now that the hatchet is FINALLY buried, whatcha got?

Care to speculate on Haynesworth's in game menu Sunday? Maybe some hot dogs, hamburgers, a little of his lovely lady in the bathroom during halftime...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

scampbell - JReid counts his webhits (as do his bosses). As long as AH's name in the headline gets hits, the columns will keep coming - even when there is really nothing to say.

I think this article is sorta legit, though. It's not like there wasn't a lot of speculation that AH would be moved. A headline announcing McNabb wasn't traded would be ridiculous, but I think with AH it counts as news.

Posted by: CommieX | October 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still talking about this?? Dude came up huge against the Eagles... has a tragedy & now it's like he is back in the doghouse?? Man, Shanny holds a grudge like no other... Maybe someone else should be in charge of Player Personnel. We all know Bruce is just a figure head who negotiates contracts & smooths over the suite holders.

I just don't get it... We need the big man in the middle to wreak havoc.

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Poor guy; but fear not, the genius that is Shannahan and Pinochio (sp) Allen will do something brilliant like cut him on Saturday afternoon.

Posted by: guisher | October 19, 2010 4:28 PM
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Devin Thomas was worthless.

How many catches did he have for Carolina last week? He's 3rd string WR and 3rd string punt returner on a team where the other WRs ahead of him on the depth chart have 7 catches combined.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see AH contribute, I mean who wouldn't want him in there trying his best? I just don't see his attitude changing and him performing like he is capable.

Posted by: splitbill | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

scampbell - JReid counts his webhits (as do his bosses). As long as AH's name in the headline gets hits, the columns will keep coming - even when there is really nothing to say.

I think this article is sorta legit, though. It's not like there wasn't a lot of speculation that AH would be moved. A headline announcing McNabb wasn't traded would be ridiculous, but I think with AH it counts as news.

Posted by: CommieX | October 19, 2010 4:49 PM |

On tis blog web hits are directly proportional to the amount of time the thread stays current. As soon as there is another one the hits go there. They don't change because of the content. We're ALWAYS on here. 2nd, the reason it's funny is because of the ridiculous amount of time JReid has spent on one guy. Almost to the exclusion of the whole team, staff, and fanbase. It's shoddy reporting at best and absolute hackdom at worst. This guy should be assigned somewhere else because he is horrible at this job.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

We need the big man in the middle to wreak havoc.

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 4:49 PM

I thought we need a big man in the middle who knows the defense. This is what Keim wrote about him:

Haynesworth would have been hurt by facing a no-huddle; opponents have talked about that in the past. But considering how small the Colts’ line is, he would have helped. The Colts drove open some holes by getting to Jeremy Jarmon a few times; not his fault but he’s just undersized inside. Haynesworth, if he knows the game plan and his mind is right, would have helped. But that’s the problem; he still is learning the defense and for him to get the game plan a day later than others, I’m not confident he would have had it down. And in this defense, you must adhere to your role and know which gap you must hit. If not, huge plays follow.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Starting-11-Upon-Further-Review-105191659.html#ixzz12qA4QTXa

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Is Haynesworth good enough to help this defense?"

One of the dumbest questions of the century.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 19, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

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There is a reason Peyton Manning was recruiting Al to come play for the Colts during the pro bowl & other times before Al became a FA after his final season... He faced him twice a year playing for the Titans. He knew the value in Haynesworth, maybe Shanny will learn before he trips over his ego again.

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth was the difference in the Colts game. They love Mike Shanahan's ego in Indy right now.

Posted by: drischord | October 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas was worthless.

How many catches did he have for Carolina last week? He's 3rd string WR and 3rd string punt returner on a team where the other WRs ahead of him on the depth chart have 7 catches combined.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

not sure how many he caught in practice but kinda hard to have any game-time catches in a bye week

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | October 19, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow seems like a lot of work for a non-story...

Posted by: siris | October 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason Peyton Manning was recruiting Al to come play for the Colts during the pro bowl & other times before Al became a FA after his final season... He faced him twice a year playing for the Titans. He knew the value in Haynesworth, maybe Shanny will learn before he trips over his ego again.

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 5:00 PM

Yeah, right, it's all about Shanny's ego. It doesn't have anything to do with what Keim wrote about how Haynesworth doesn't know the defense. Keim just makes that stuff up to sell papers.

The real story is about ego. Haynesworth is Superman, does no wrong, and walks on water. Shanny's just too stupid to see beyond the end of his nose to see how much better the 'Skins would be with a guy who doesn't want to play in a 3-4 and doesn't understand what's expected of him.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Why are so many people convinced that making AH inactive last week was about ego or a grudge? Shanny explained why. AH wasn't ready to play - emotionally or physically. He had one walkthrough. No practice = no play.

Of course he will play this week. Everyone calm down.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I going with absolute hackdom

meta tags: Albert haynesworth, portis' burst, Shana-cool's ego

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How many times does J Reid need to remind us how much Haynesworth is getting paid????

He keeps repeating the same crap on every single Haynesworth post!!!!!

Posted by: TheJury | October 19, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

JReid & JLa re: Albert = WHIFF

Posted by: AdamCr | October 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Matthew Stafford saying he thinks he'll be back to play us. I...Cant...Wait.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

You must be new to this.

Thanks for the Keim article. But it doesn't agree with my opinion, so I don't believe it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Carolina had a bye week and DT had no catches

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The real story is about ego. Haynesworth is Superman, does no wrong, and walks on water. Shanny's just too stupid to see beyond the end of his nose to see how much better the 'Skins would be with a guy who doesn't want to play in a 3-4 and doesn't understand what's expected of him.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse
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I never said Al does no wrong... Albert can do better than the people that "know the defense"... what happened to "If he keeps playing like that, he will play more" ?? We haven't seen him since... Dude, do you think if McNabb had to go to his brother's funeral & came back on Thursday, he wouldn't be the QB?

We've seen this same stuff with Lavar Arrington... He was freelancer & this & that... when he stepped on the field, he got an interception that gave us a playoff win against Tampa. UNLEASH THE BEAST!!!

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Matthew Stafford saying he thinks he'll be back to play us. I...Cant...Wait.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Much more worried about Suh vs. the Skins interior line.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I mean, he can't be this stupid and tunnel visioned can he?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 4:43 PM

I've heard that OB/GYN docs have tunnel vision.

I think the Skins would have been able to do a lot to contain Addai when they got stuck in the dime package (because Manning wouldn't allow substitutions) if Haynesworth was gobbling up blockers who were otherwise doing prison shower things to Doughty at the second level. Also, I think Matt Forte is as good or better than Addai.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Keim article. But it doesn't agree with my opinion, so I don't believe it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 5:18 PM

Hey, thanks for explaining! This works for me.

I don't believe that Carolina had a bye week and that DT had no catches. He had six catches for 74 yards and a TD. He also kicked a field goal and ran a punt back for a TD. All Pro performance.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

How much is there to know about playing on the D line?

AH executed a stunt with Riley week 1 for our ONLY sack, same play with MCIntosh vs the Rams for our ONLY sack that week. AH played a better game Vs Philly than any of our other interior line have all season.

That would be why some think it's about evel eyed denture-Han

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"Is Haynesworth good enough to help this defense?"

The question should be "Are you stupid?"

Posted by: DuhHumanity | October 19, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Alright, now that he isn't being traded, will ShanaMan and Co. stop all of the drama, and immature BULLSH^T and play the dam man so that he can help us on defense!!

Other than Orakpo, nobody on this team is doing anything as far as getting to the QB.

If nothing else AH will tie up some OL,or collapse the pocket, if not outright getting sacks himself.

Enough already, and let the man get on the field and PLAY!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 19, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

tony325 -- Agree to disagree.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon effed us up last Sunday playing nickel back and returning kicks. WOW

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Too funny. Shanahan has an ego? Hey, I have an ego and I have 3 less SBs than him.

AH said he would be back Wed. and showed up Thurs. He missed a day of practice and missed the day they install the gameplan. He also missed the previous 6 days (excusable) and his conditioning was already suspect.

So you want to play a guy that doesn't know the gameplan and is out of shape against the no huddle? I realize he played against it twice a yr but we only have 3 TOs per half.

He had a decent game against the Eagles but we're not paying him to be decent, he's being paid to be all-pro and he's been below average at best.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I say keep AH inactive. Hasn't Cutler suffered enough this season already?

And can't someone get some stickum on Rogers' gloves? The same stuff that Garcon was using when he made that one hand catch.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 19, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't be surprised if Shanny's EGO shows everyone "who's in charge" and just flat out releases Haynesworth. I know it sounds foolish,but we're dealing with Shanny's EGO, and that's how Shanny rolls.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 19, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

And can't someone get some stickum on Rogers' gloves?

Yeah, but he'll drop it as well.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Leggo my ego

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Now that he's not going anywhere I hope ShanaMan will stop fuc%ing with Haynesworth and let him get on the field and play so that he can help us win games.

What excuses will be left now to not make him active on Sundays or to let him play?

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 19, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ok fine, he's here for the season .. Now AH, if you still hope to be traded in the offseason the best way to accomplish that is to play well & hard so that other teams might see that you're worth trading FOR ..

Posted by: RoidRage | October 19, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Haynesworth can help Haslett's defense. I think he would have abused Indy's little o-linemen.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 19, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Fischer said that the Redskins didn't want to trade Hayney. Just thought that everyone wanted to finally hear something about our NT.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

A couple of comments about the Skins D:

1. They are getting more turnovers than last year and that helps to keep them in the game.

2. They have lapses like dropped balls that could be interceptions and misunderstandings like a wide open Austen Collie on Indy's second TD.

3. Why AH was deactivated for the Indy game is a real mystery. Even if he wasn't 100% up to speeding on the game plan, just him occupying space on the DL would have stuffed Indy's puny running game. If it was to save him for a trade, that strategy didn't work.

4. They give up way too many yards. Mebbe that is a trade-off for the increase in turnovers but it isn't a very good trade-off.

5. There have been some good individual efforts like BO and LL.

6. Too much $$$ are tied up in AH and DH contracts relative to what these two players are producing.

7. Needs: a NT like Rat or Raj and a FS like Nate Allen or Michael Griffin.

Posted by: BirnamWood | October 19, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 6:43 PM |

No NFL HC worth his saltpeter is ever going to say what is truly on his mind.

Posted by: BirnamWood | October 19, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

what happened to "If he keeps playing like that, he will play more" ?? We haven't seen him since... Dude, do you think if McNabb had to go to his brother's funeral & came back on Thursday, he wouldn't be the QB?

We've seen this same stuff with Lavar Arrington... He was freelancer & this & that... when he stepped on the field, he got an interception that gave us a playoff win against Tampa. UNLEASH THE BEAST!!!

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 5:24 PM


You're a textbook retard...the dude with an epic lack of conditioning showing up to play without practicing or participating in the gameplanning, against a no-huddle offense? Really? Then you compare him to McNabb, who is such a good soldier that he was lifting weights with teammates BEFORE HIS INTRODUCTORY PRESSER? I mean, there's no way you're really this dumb...you couldn't function in society if you really were.

If you don't practice in the allotted time, you don't play. It really is as simple as that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I sense that if ah is inactive there will be a skins fan mob waiting in ashburn for shanny if skins lose from here on out.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

No NFL HC worth his saltpeter is ever going to say what is truly on his mind.

Posted by: BirnamWood | October 19, 2010 6:48 PM

This is true, just don't say saltpeter when NPI is around. He might start licking the computer screen at his local library thinking you are talking about his favorite snack.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanny = Colonel Nathan Jessup

AH = Private Santiago


Shanny should have transferred him off the base.

If he thinks he can keep this guy around and "train" him up without it ballooning into a full blown disaster, then he really is the egomaniacal jakass that so many people say that he is.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

You're a textbook retard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 6:52 PM |

So are you and your "I know it all" attitude.

Posted by: BirnamWood | October 19, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just realized I coulda saved some time and keystrokes by just co-signing on Diesel's post...oh well...

And tony mentioning LaVar...out of this world insanity. How did he do after he left the Skins? Right...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Why do we make martyrs out of EVERY Redskins that doesn't play as much as WE think they should?

Marvin Lewis called Arrington "the most undisciplined player he ever coached"

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I haven't heard anyone bring up the Junior Seau incidents from the other night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

3. Why AH was deactivated for the Indy game is a real mystery. Even if he wasn't 100% up to speeding on the game plan, just him occupying space on the DL would have stuffed Indy's puny running game. If it was to save him for a trade, that strategy didn't work.

Posted by: BirnamWood | October 19, 2010 6:45 PM


Where's the mystery? He didn't practice. He came back late. If you're not practicing and have no idea what the gameplan is, why would you play?

This isn't Pop Warner. Or the NBA. You don't just throw a guy out there to "occupy space". Taking wrong holes and freelancing is how you give up big plays. If you thought Addai got off Sunday, it would have been 10x worse if AH played.

And you also overlook the distinct possibility that AH came back before he was ready and didn't have his head in the game like he should have. I mean, this guy struggles to keep his head where it should be when things are status quo...you know how distracted he must have been dealing with a personal tragedy?

This is common sense stuff, my man. I don't get why AH gets this overwhelming benefit of the doubt when he hasn't done jack sh*t to deserve it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Nothing left to do now but coach him up. Now we get to see who's right; those who think he's still an effective player, or those who think he's got nothing.

For those who think Shanahan isn't playing him based on some grudge, that makes no sense. If he is still a decent player, he'd be on the field. Don't you think the Danny would pipe up at that point?

Posted by: McLobo | October 19, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually the Redskins did trade Haynesworth earlier in the day for 'future considerations' to an undisclosed team. The coach of that team spoke w/ Haynesworth, who informed him that he'd show up when he felt like it. The coach immediately called Shanahan and said that the future considerations would be Haynesworth. Haynesworth becomes the first player in NFL history to be traded for himself.

Posted by: randysbailin | October 19, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"Coaches just need to figure out how to fit him in the scheme."


Run more 4-3.

There; I just figured out how to fit him in the scheme.

Wasn't so hard.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Do u wanna play a guy who isn't conditioned and doesn't know the game plan?

Is it Albert Haynesworth? Then YES I do want to play him.

Conditioning isn't lost in 6 days it takes 2 weeks for measurable losses.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Nothing left to do now but coach him up. Now we get to see who's right; those who think he's still an effective player, or those who think he's got nothing.

For those who think Shanahan isn't playing him based on some grudge, that makes no sense. If he is still a decent player, he'd be on the field. Don't you think the Danny would pipe up at that point?

Posted by: McLobo | October 19, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse


I wish it were as simple as this thing playing out to see if AH is effective as a player or not.

That would be like every other normal football scenario.

Unfortunately, what I fear is happening now is Shanny and AH are guzzling gallons of water to gear up for the pi$$ing contest of the century.

I think the only thing that was keeping AH on "decent" behavior was the chance that if he kept his mouth shut and played nice, then the Skins would ship him out of town by the trading deadline.

Now, AH has absolutely no incentive to behave himself for the rest of the season.

What is preventing him from tearing down the house now?

When a reporter puts a mic in his mug after a game where he played 3 snaps, what's preventing him from unleashing a profanity-laced tirade on Shanny?

When he's deactivated for a game, what's preventing him from pulling an Arenas and dropping a deuce in Shanny's shoe?

And with every snarky comment that AH makes to show Shanny up, what do you think Shanny will do in response?

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Shanny = Colonel Nathan Jessup

AH = Private Santiago


Shanny should have transferred him off the base.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a Code Red.

We want Shanny on that wall! We NEED Shanny on that wall!

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 19, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26

I guess the funniest thing about you and Diesel's post is that you're buying in to the whole don't practice don't play BS. I'm a little shocked at Diesel because he should know that's not reality.

I can't wait until week 10 or 12 and see if this still holds true. I can only imagine all of the folks that won't be playing. I can guarantee if Trent Williams sits out a day of practice, he'll be in protecting DM's blindside late in the season.

Anybody who has played beyond high school can clearly see My Way Mike is effing with him. Six weeks in to the season the out of shape stuff is weak now and from some of the post game comments, the players are tired of it as well.

To inactivate any player for missing 1 freaking practice after the tragic death of family member is a low class move.

Overall, I'm happy with Shanny but unlike some of you, I ain't buying in to everything he's doing. Call it like it is.

B Mitch, as bitter as he is at times, was right.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse


The Skins played primarily out of their dime package - that's precisely the package that AH is used in most of the time and has got plenty of practice time in it.

They were gameplanning the Colts - no one in that lockerroom knows the Colts and Manning better than AH.

Seriously, you;ve got to be kidding me if you don't think AH could have contributed something on Sunday. Would he have changed the game? Would he have been the difference?

Who knows.

It's not about giving him the benefit of the doubt. If the scheme is working fine without him, then that's a different story. Fact is this defense's best performance of the year came against Philly when AH also had his best game of the year getting pressure up the middle.

It's an inconvenient fact because we hate his attitude and his work ethic.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

There won't be a pizzing contest because this is Shannahan's organization. Toe the line or they'll cut you loose. This is about destroying the Star System and establishing long-term behaviors. If a player runs his mouth...he's in trouble or gone. Good.

The mistake a lot of people are making is that they're wigged out over this year. This season is all about a)finding out who can play, b)destroying the star system, and c) establishing what behaviors are acceptable. Devin Thomas was a coyote hind on the barbed wire: A warning to those inside and outside of the fence. Good.

Posted by: PS7900 | October 19, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

There won't be a pizzing contest because this is Shannahan's organization. Toe the line or they'll cut you loose. This is about destroying the Star System and establishing long-term behaviors. If a player runs his mouth...he's in trouble or gone. Good.

The mistake a lot of people are making is that they're wigged out over this year. This season is all about a)finding out who can play, b)destroying the star system, and c) establishing what behaviors are acceptable. Devin Thomas was a coyote hide on the barbed wire: A warning to those inside and outside of the fence. Good.

Posted by: PS7900 | October 19, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

There won't be a pizzing contest because this is Shannahan's organization. Toe the line or they'll cut you loose. This is about destroying the Star System and establishing long-term behaviors. If a player runs his mouth...he's in trouble or gone. Good.

The mistake a lot of people are making is that they're wigged out over this year. This season is all about a)finding out who can play, b)destroying the star system, and c) establishing what behaviors are acceptable. Devin Thomas was a coyote hide on the barbed wire: A warning to those inside and outside of the fence. Good.

Posted by: PS7900 | October 19, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

It has been three hours and forty two minutes since the trade deadline expired and Haynesworth still hasn't been traded, just in case anyone was wondering...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Whoops! Make that "...coyote hide..."

Posted by: PS7900 | October 19, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Why was conditioning never a problem in Tenn?

AH played the 2nd most snaps of any Skins D lineman last year. Second to freAk Carter, so conditioning wasn't a problem.

Suddenly, it's a problem?

It's like neo cons saying Bush protected us and failing to mention the after the biggest loss of life on American soil since the civil war.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:30 PM

It's quite simple. AH needs to show up and practice and he'll play. These are the minimum expectations for him to play.

++END of post directed at p1funk

Pretty amazing that MS hasn't gotten rid of him via trade/cut considering AH has completely mishandled EVERYTHING on his end. And when he said he wouldn't show up next year, I would have deactivated him and then traded him a la Keyshawn Johnson.

MS deserves praise for his patience and handling of this overrated, overpaid, malcontent. People act like we have Reggie White on our team and we're not playing him. AH is a guy that had AVERAGED 3 tackles PER GAME, 3 sacks PERSEASON, and has only force 6 fumbles in is 10 yr CAREER.

You people are UFB, this guy has all but wiped his ass with the BnG and you freaks want to make him the victim. GTFO and find a new team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Now, AH has absolutely no incentive to behave himself for the rest of the season.

What is preventing him from tearing down the house now?


Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:30 PM

It's an interesting point you make. The only thing keeping him from doing that would be self-interest. If he's capable of looking down the road long-term, he will realize that teams get nervous about bringing in someone who was willing to blow up his old team. It doesn't seem like behaving in his long-term self-interest is AH's strong suit.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 19, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth, who signed with the Redskins in February of 2009, already had been paid $32 million before the start of the 2010 season"

....I think this is officially the 900 trillionth mention of Al's financial compensation while with the Redskins.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 19, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Shan-a-cool has some suckers believing Haynesworth isn't effective? WOW! Sheep!!

Y give haynesworth the benefit of the doubt? Because of what he has done on the field, consistently and as recently as the Philly game.

And this team lacks talent and is LAST in yards given up. From top ten to LAST. Dead last.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

A the esteemed professor...

"Devin Thomas was worthless.
How many catches did he have for Carolina last week? He's 3rd string WR and 3rd string punt returner on a team where the other WRs ahead of him on the depth chart have 7 catches combined... Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 19, 2010 4:53

Dear Proff: Carolina had a bye last week. THAT is why he didn't have any catches. Go back to school: you missed sumpn!

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 19, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

We want AH to play, somehow some of you think this is asking a lot. You know he's better than Kemo, Golston, or Carriker.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's a point for those clinging to the 10th ranked D (out of 32)from last Year in total yards allowed.

4-12.

This years top D's in total yards allowed

#1 San Diego
#4 Dallas Cowboys

How are they doing this year?

What DC's are looking for is PTs allowed and TO ratio.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

What DC's are looking for is PTs allowed and TO ratio.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:03 PM |

It would be nice to get other teams offenses off the field so that your offense has a chance to score. These 10 play drives are a drag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

shanahan=chairman mao tse tung, this defense that he wanted is horrible giving up 440+ yards in almost every game players in the secondary who can't catch and don't really have many sacks, haynesworth is the only real nose tackle(playing daniels some because of his strength would help) who can collaspe the pocket, why is doughty playing a high percentage on the d ? he can't cover and buchannon is not much better, o-line is weaker because the chairman wants his favorite starting at guard along with rabach now the o-line is weaker but some of you will follow the chairman to your own extinction because he won 2 SB instead of adapting to the talent level he wants things his way even when it is obvious its not working.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 19, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.

If any of us are out for a week, do we forget everything about our job and need to be trained again? If a football player who has been in two a days for weeks and has played 4 pre-season games misses a week of practice, is he all of a sudden so out of shape that he can't go at least 20 plays?

People wake up! The Skins are giving up more yards than any defense in the league! And you folks are talking about "game planning"!(@^&

Stop this nonsense and put Albert in the Game. Apparently, nobody knows this defense because it is last in the league in yards a game. The truth, when you are dead last in a team category it means the entire scheme" stinks, which is what Albert was saying before camp. Your scheme should be based upon your talent, not upon a fantasy or ego of the coaching staff.

Posted by: bjbmusa | October 19, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.

If any of us are out for a week, do we forget everything about our job and need to be trained again? If a football player who has been in two a days for weeks and has played 4 pre-season games misses a week of practice, is he all of a sudden so out of shape that he can't go at least 20 plays?

Posted by: bjbmusa | October 19, 2010 8:08 PM |

Where have you been. He hasn't been in two a days EVER. He missed all of the OTA's and minicamp and then missed a bunch of training camp because he was out of shape, then got injured. Those are when we have 2 a days. I don't think you have paid any attention. Plus the guy missed a bunch of practice from injuries and the untimely death of his brother. He has practiced the least amount of any player NOT on IR and has demonstrated that he never learned the defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

What DC's are looking for is PTs allowed and TO ratio.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:03 PM |

It would be nice to get other teams offenses off the field so that your offense has a chance to score. These 10 play drives are a drag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 8:08 PM

True..Add 3rd down conv % too. Growing pains but you will see marked improvement every week and you've already scene an improvement in PTs allowed and TOs forced.

I'm more concerned with our inability to cover from guys like DHall, Moore, & Doughty than I am of a guy like Los from dropping balls.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

shanahan=chairman mao tse tung, this defense that he wanted is horrible giving up 440+ yards in almost every game players in the secondary who can't catch and don't really have many sacks, haynesworth is the only real nose tackle(playing daniels some because of his strength would help) who can collaspe the pocket, why is doughty playing a high percentage on the d ? he can't cover and buchannon is not much better, o-line is weaker because the chairman wants his favorite starting at guard along with rabach now the o-line is weaker but some of you will follow the chairman to your own extinction because he won 2 SB instead of adapting to the talent level he wants things his way even when it is obvious its not working.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 19, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth...the only thing more unpleasant than a Mary Carillo tennis broadcast.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 19, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"This season is all about a)finding out who can play, b)destroying the star system, and c) establishing what behaviors are acceptable. Devin Thomas was a coyote hind on the barbed wire: A warning to those inside and outside of the fence. Good..." Posted by: PS7900

That is exactly the kind of coaching stupidity that needs to be erased. I don't believe in a "star system" either, but the guys who CAN play SHOULD play. and play regardless of whether or not a coach, ANY coach or team official dislikes the way he spends HIS offtime as long as he's not breaking the law or endangering himself. Shanahan is a stupid tyrant and his BS will eventually tear the team apart. That's my prediction. I could be wrong, but don't think so. I've seen this happen and know the signs.

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wathu19 | October 19, 2010 8:19 PM |

You really thought you should repost that?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

You people are UFB, this guy has all but wiped his ass with the BnG and you freaks want to make him the victim. GTFO and find a new team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 7:49 PM

Woo-hoo. Go, Diesel. Roll, Terrapins. (Or whatever it is that terrapins do. Swim? Soup?)

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

shanahan=chairman mao tse tung

Posted by: wathu19 | October 19, 2010 8:19 PM

Really? I'll take it. If Shanahan can do for the Redskins what Mao Tse Tung did for China then we've finally found the right coach.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

This is starting to remind me of The Caine Mutiny, with Shanahan as Captain Queeg, screaming at Haynesworth for having his shirttail out as the ship steams over its own towline ...

Posted by: Nemo24601 | October 19, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:27 PM

What do Blue Devils do? The coeds make F lists and the Lacrosse team allegedly rapes strippers.

Well the Lax team got screwed on that one and I guess the coed and the dudes on the list did too.

I'm sick of people who cry about a lack of discipline on our franchise and then when we bring in a new HC/FO and they attempt to change the culture and instill some discipline, they cry even more.

F those people
F Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Well the Lax team got screwed on that one and I guess the coed and the dudes on the list did too.

I'm sick of people who cry about a lack of discipline on our franchise and then when we bring in a new HC/FO and they attempt to change the culture and instill some discipline, they cry even more.

F those people
♥ Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:38 PM

It might be two different groups -- those who complain about discipline and those who support Haynesworth. Doesn't really matter, though. Those who support Haynesworth and attack Shanahan are in over their heads on this blog -- and in life.

I'd like to see what the guys had to say about Ms. Screw 'n' Tell. Was she really as hot as she thinks she is or was it just the same as their right hands.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

This is starting to remind me of The Caine Mutiny, with Shanahan as Captain Queeg, screaming at Haynesworth for having his shirttail out as the ship steams over its own towline ...

Posted by: Nemo24601 | October 19, 2010 8:34 PM

Really? It's starting to remind me of the way a professional football team is run.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see what the guys had to say about Ms. Screw 'n' Tell. Was she really as hot as she thinks she is or was it just the same as their right hands.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:48 PM

I'm not sure she had that many repeat "subjects" and from what I hear she had an enormous vagina.

Typical college skank.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Now, AH has absolutely no incentive to behave himself for the rest of the season.

What is preventing him from tearing down the house now?


Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:30 PM

You sound a lot like Tom Lavaro on 980 from earlier this afternoon. I don't buy that. His incentive to not burn down the locker room is his ticket out of purgatory next year and the opportunity to confirm his value.

I also think the outpouring of support from his teammates the last 10 days has bought the team some loyalty--not the coaches or fans, but the group of guys that are his team.

Anyone hear anything about Snyder making Redskins1 available for AH during this ordeal?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

or was it just the same as their right hands.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:48 PM

I'm not sure she had that many repeat "subjects" and from what I hear she had an enormous vagina.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:54 PM

So, basically, the right hand was better. The sound of one hand clapping...

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear anything about Snyder making Redskins1 available for AH during this ordeal?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 8:56 PM

I read that somewhere -- probably in one of the posts on RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure she had that many repeat "subjects" and from what I hear she had an enormous vagina.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:54 PM

"I couldn't possibly eat any more. It'll go straight my vagina. That's what girls worry about right? Having big vagina's?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

So, basically, the right hand was better. The sound of one hand clapping...

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 8:57 PM |

I was told it was better to sit on your opposite hand until it falls asleep and then the experience would be similar to an awkward drunk chick. Lots of experience with the latter, maybe I should try the old sleepy off-hand..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"I couldn't possibly eat any more. It'll go straight my vagina. That's what girls worry about right? Having big vagina's?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:05 PM

Thank god for c-sections, otherwise it's like a coffee can down there.

The big vagina thing is a Seinfeld reference.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"I couldn't possibly eat any more. It'll go straight my vagina. That's what girls worry about right? Having big vagina's?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:05 PM

Thank god for c-sections, otherwise it's like a coffee can down there.

The big vagina thing is a Seinfeld reference.


Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:11 PM |

Guess that makes me happy my wife had a c section. Also, this was a Family Guy reference.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Some random thoughts:

I wasn't up here much yesterday, but I imagine some were bashing Boswell for "loser talk"? I happen to agree with Boz, but I'm hearing/seeing on FB some grumbling about #5 and his lack of statistical production. I, however, am still on board with the move despite initial skepticism and feel encouraged about the team despite the loss.

Anyone listen to Cooley on LaVar/Dukes yesterday? Dude was effed up. He's usually sharp, but he sounded like someone with ADD that forgot to take their meds and decided to take several bingers instead. Painful to listen to.

AH is a virtual non-story, and I think Shanny is F-ing with the media at this point and is being purposefully obtuse when answering questions. I think their relationship is better than reported. Agree with Diesel and Brownie on this point.

Love Banks. Love Armstrong. Love Zo, Fletch, Dirty, and Hunter. K Will showed up, and love Portis on the sideline. He said on his radio show that he didn't want to be in the booth because "it's boring" and his RB coach asked him to be on the sideline.

Tired of the press on the hitting. My solution: if you hit with your helmet, you sit without pay until the guy you hit returns to play, with a minimum 1 game suspension. However, emphasis on less helmets=better tackling technique.

F Brett Favre. Jenn Sterger is pretty hot. Ha! Sterger spelled backwards="regrets". Thanks Parker and Parker.

F Dallas, but agree with rooting for them against the NFC, with the exception Ginas and Iggles.

I finally won my second game of the fantasy season. I'm awesome.


Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

That's what girls worry about right? Having big vagina's?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:05 PM |

I read your posts a lot and you convinced me that they worry about getting sand in their hoo-hoos.

Anybody remember Doug Clark and the Hot Nuts:

The first old maid she up and said
Mines as big as the sea
Ships sail in and ships sail out
And never bother me.

The next old maid she up and said
mine's as big as the moon
A boy went in last January
And didn't come out til June

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I was told it was better to sit on your opposite hand until it falls asleep and then the experience would be similar to an awkward drunk chick. Lots of experience with the latter, maybe I should try the old sleepy off-hand..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise known as "the stranger"...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:05 PM |

I read your posts a lot...

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:19 PM |

Well there's your problem right there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey did you all catch the picture I found of NPI earlier? It's a classic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey did you all catch the picture I found of NPI earlier? It's a classic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I think he was looking at a picture of a hotdog in a hallway.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

lol…I currently have a choice to make: watch the Yankees lose live or watch the Cowboys lose to the Vikings again.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

lol…I currently have a choice to make: watch the Yankees lose live or watch the Cowboys lose to the Vikings again.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:33 PM

Pull down a free movie off of Netflix.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

That Cowboy game was painfully boring. Of course the outcome was excellent. Having said that there isn't very many things more boring than baseball.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Pull down a free movie off of Netflix.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, that clearly wouldn't be free, first of all. And second, there's just no better (sports) entertainment than this…unless you like homeless porn.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

lol…I currently have a choice to make: watch the Yankees lose live or watch the Cowboys lose to the Vikings again.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:33 PM

Both are great choices...

I'd go with watching the Caps come back from 2 goals down.

And yes "the stranger" is correct. Perhaps you've heard of the "dough roller" and "the falcon" as well.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, that clearly wouldn't be free, first of all. And second, there's just no better (sports) entertainment than this…unless you like homeless porn.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:39 PM

When did homeless porn get classified as a sport? Next stop...the Olympics!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"...Man, Shanny holds a grudge like no other..."

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

You ain't kiddin'. He's still pizzed at the kid in 3rd grade who got the last chocolate milk.

Posted by: peauxsucent | October 19, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins weren't interested in trading disgruntled defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth back to the Titans, coach Jeff Fisher said Tuesday.

The trade deadline passed at 4 p.m. ET, and Fisher told the Tennessean that he's happy with the way his defensive line is playing, although he didn't deny the Titans might have been interested in re-acquiring Haynesworth.

"I think our defensive line is playing well," Fisher said. "Clearly Albert's situation has settled down there in Washington. He is under contract, and there was no interest in them as far as moving him is concerned."

According to the Tennessean, the Redskins and Titans couldn't come to terms on compensation for the two-time Pro Bowl pick. The Redskins, who gave Haynesworth a seven-year, $100 million contract in 2009, wanted a second-round draft pick. However, the Titans didn't want to give anything more than a fourth-round pick for Haynesworth, who played in Tennessee from 2002 to 2008 before leaving in free agency.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said Monday there was "a pretty good chance" that Haynesworth wouldn't be traded, even though the two-time All-Pro has missed three of six games and often clashed with the team this year. Redskins general manager Bruce Allen said over the weekend that Haynesworth wouldn't be dealt.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

There won't be a pizzing contest because this is Shannahan's organization. Toe the line or they'll cut you loose.

Posted by: PS7900 | October 19, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse


And so why didn't they cut him loose for a draft pick?

If they are prepared to just release him if he acts up then

1) AH ends up getting what he wants scot-free

and

2) Shanny looks even dumber in this situation b/c instead of unloading him for a mid-round pick, he unloads him for nothing.

You don't get it.

Getting cut from the team is NOT a threat to AH.

He would LOVE to get cut so that he can go find a new 4-3 home to spend the rest of his $40 million in.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The falcon? Ah, got it.

No I don't. A big-ass leather glove? You sit on your hand, then go at it like a pit bull? D44 don't kiss, D44 just F? Accidentally claw yourself to death because your hand is numb? What?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I hope that this entry to the blog is finally the tombstone on an otherwise dead story, but I suspect there will be more.

Where is the outrage against Kareem Moore? Am I the only one? Greg Blache looks absolutely justified in never playing him. He can't tackle - a free safety that can't tackle is like playing with ten men. Everytime a running back gets to the 2nd level Moore doesn't even slow him down.

Kareem 'the matador' Moore. Now, I'm rooting for the guy but give me Horton hears a who or deaf Doughty. Those guys will at least make contact with running backs.

Maybe the coverage is better but to what expense? Steven Jackson's 42 yard TD, Brandon Jackson's 71 yard run, Addai's 46 yard run and 13 yard TD. The longest run of the year before Kareem Moore was inserted in the line-up was a 12 yard run by Marion Barber. Why am I the only one to see this. All of the above runs would have been for 12 yards or less if Moore would make the dadgum tackle!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

DEFENSE (68 snaps)
DL: Vonnie Holliday 36, Jeremy Jarmon 17, Kedric Golston 15, Phillip Daniels 4, Adam Carriker 4, Ma’ake Kemoetau 4.

LB: London Fletcher 68, Lorenzo Alexander 67, Brian Orakpo 64, Andre Carter 60, Chris Wilson 6, H.B. Blades 6, Perry Riley 2.

DB: Carlos Rogers 68, DeAngelo Hall 68, LaRon Landry 68, Kareem Moore 68, Reed Doughty 62, Phillip Buchanon 62.

Analysis: The Redskins did by far their fewest substituting of the season, keeping their ‘dime’ secondary package on the field for 62 snaps. … Season-low playing times for Carriker and Kemoeatu. … Daniels didn’t see the field until the Colts’ second-to-last drive. … Blades started the game but then went 11 possessions without a snap. … Smart decision for most of the game to put Rogers on Colts TE Dallas Clark when lined up in the slot. In the second half, Clark used an out-and-in move to beat Doughty and make a 24-yard catch. … The Redskins’ secondary had more drops (three, maybe four) than the Redskins’ receivers (none). … Bad mix up on Austin Collie’s 5-yard TD catch. Rogers thought he had help from Moore, but Collie was wide open when Moore shaded to his right to help Buchanon on Reggie Wayne. … During Joseph Addai’s 13-yard TD run, Doughty missed a tackle at the 12 and then Landry went for the hit (and not the tackle). Addai bounced off Landry and Moore before falling into the end zone. … The Redskins stuck to basically a four-man rush (29 drop-backs) and rushed five players an unofficial nine drop-backs. … Indianapolis used a three WR-one RB-one TE formation on 54 snaps. … Buchanon was credited with three pass break-ups.

• Breaking down the Redskins’ only sack of Manning. Second-and-5 from the Colts 21. Four-man rush vs. five-man protection. Orakpo beat Ryan Diem with an outside move but was getting pushed out of position and had the sense to get his left arm free to strip Manning. The fumble was recovered by Carter and led to a Redskins’ touchdown.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope that this entry to the blog is finally the tombstone on an otherwise dead story, but I suspect there will be more.

Where is the outrage against Kareem Moore? Am I the only one? Greg Blache looks absolutely justified in never playing him. He can't tackle - a free safety that can't tackle is like playing with ten men. Everytime a running back gets to the 2nd level Moore doesn't even slow him down.

Kareem 'the matador' Moore. Now, I'm rooting for the guy but give me Horton hears a who or deaf Doughty. Those guys will at least make contact with running backs.

Maybe the coverage is better but to what expense? Steven Jackson's 42 yard TD, Brandon Jackson's 71 yard run, Addai's 46 yard run and 13 yard TD. The longest run of the year before Kareem Moore was inserted in the line-up was a 12 yard run by Marion Barber. Why am I the only one to see this. All of the above runs would have been for 12 yards or less if Moore would make the dadgum tackle!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 9:57 PM |

He's been well roasted on here over the last few days...and deservedly so.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"It's like a wildcat formation, except you did't take the snap directly from the center."

Troy Aikman describing a Harvin YAC. Ridiculous.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

Thanks for update. I'm glad. It usually takes me a day or two to recover from losses.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

Thanks for the update. I'm glad. It usually takes me a day or two to recover from losses.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

Thanks for update. I'm glad. It usually takes me a day or two to recover from losses.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:06 PM

He's still better than Doughty but needs to improve his tackling, hands, coverage, and catching at least the easy ones.

There that's the 3rd time I've said it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth still with Redskins as trade deadline passes

Fine then.

Set him free.

No more 'amoeba'.

No more pretend NT.

Put him at defensive end or tackle, and let him wreck havoc.

Play him enough to where next Spring, some other sucker bites at the line, and yanks him away....

...leaving draft picks, bad memories, and excessive thread about him behind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

...leaving draft picks, bad memories, and excessive thread about him behind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:12 PM

But then JReid will have nothing to drone on and on and on and on and...well, you get the picture.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I am Tom lavaro!

Do you think my name is "p1funk" in real life?

Here's how I think it went down:

1) Shanny popped a woody when he saw the tape on how AH played against the Iggles, because he figured it boosted AH's trade value.

2) AH's brother dies. That sucks, and unfortunately from a football POV, it means he leaves the team for a while.

3) When AH gets back and Shanny gets a look at him in practice, he's a little nervy that AH might not be in tip top shape for the Colts game.

4) But instead of keeping him "active" and rolling the dice on how he plays in the game and whether he can help the team, he deactivates him so that the last piece of game tape out there is AH against the Eagles

5) On Monday Shanny calls the Titans and feeds them this crap about AH missing the game b/c he missed the gameplanning portion of the week...but oh my, Fisher, didn;t you see how awesome he looked against the Eagles!

6) Fisher told Shanny to go get a tan and the offer stands - a 4th rounder.

7) Shanny can't bear the thought of losing a pi55ing contest to BOTH Haynesworth (who gets out of town and gets what he wants) AND Fisher (who clearly gets the better end of this deal); and tells Fisher to go wave a street-flare around his greasy Elvis-do and see what happens.

8) Shanny spends the rest of the night fasting and petitioning the Almighty for some way to make all this crap work out so that Shanny's reputation can stay intact and AH doesn't C-4 the lockerroom.

***Start of post directed and Diesel***

I know you know I know AH isn't a "victim".

We need to get SOMETHING out of this failed situation. Letting him lounge in the owner's box while the rest of the guy bust their a55es on the field only gives him money for nothing. At least make him take beating in a game for $40mill.

Everything that happens from here on out with AH is on Shanny. He knows who he is dealing with, had his opportunity to cut bait, and chose not to.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

John Hancock

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Man, sorry Tom, you have a face for radio, yet a voice for television. I hope you take over for Reid on RI!

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Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

When you are banking on your FS to make TD saving tackles in the run game, then the problem is not with your FS. It is with the guys up front who are letting the ball-carrier get to the FS.

...now if only we could find some players/schemes to plug up the middle...

...hmmm

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Diesel,

Are you saying Moore is a better tackler than Doughty?

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I know you know I know AH isn't a "victim".

We need to get SOMETHING out of this failed situation. Letting him lounge in the owner's box while the rest of the guy bust their a55es on the field only gives him money for nothing. At least make him take beating in a game for $40mill.

Everything that happens from here on out with AH is on Shanny. He knows who he is dealing with, had his opportunity to cut bait, and chose not to.


Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:15 PM

That's why I said +++end of post directed at p1funk...

All too true. It's all on MS now. He could have sent him packing and he didn't. His only option is to play him as long as AH particapates like everyone else in practice.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Shanny knows what he is doing. I shudder to think of what it would have been like for AH92 and the Redskins with Fat Albert stuck on the field while Manning ran an even faster no-huddle than normal?

Alexander said he wanted to go out for a breather but Manning wouldn't let them substitute.

After AH92 faked his first injury to catch his breath, Shanny wouldn't have played him anymore anyway, so why not make him inactive to get use out of another player.

Posted by: artsnsportz | October 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

No, it's called safety because he's the last man. The last man has to make contact.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Why is no one mentioning how ridiculous this defensive coaching staff has been??

How many times do any of you recall our d-lineman STANDING at the line of scrimmage during the Colts game!!???

What was that!!!???

Posted by: skins91r | October 19, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

artsnsportz,

I agree AH would have been gassed but the rest of the team could have used those fake injury timeouts.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

That's why I said +++end of post directed at p1funk...

All too true. It's all on MS now. He could have sent him packing and he didn't. His only option is to play him as long as AH particapates like everyone else in practice.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse


That's why I said "I know you know I know"

I say his only option is to sit down with Haslett and say "More 4-3, dude".

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying Moore is a better tackler than Doughty?

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:24 PM

NO. Doughty is a solid tackler but he doesn't cover the field like Moore. I like Moore and he has potential but he needs to improve...He's sadly our best option at FS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

After AH92 faked his first injury to catch his breath, Shanny wouldn't have played him anymore anyway, so why not make him inactive to get use out of another player.

Posted by: artsnsportz | October 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Report

Bull crap. Shanny would have realized the genius of the fake injury slowing down the offense and would have instructed every player on defense to pull the stunt at least once.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

NO. Doughty is a solid tackler but he doesn't cover the field like Moore. I like Moore and he has potential but he needs to improve...He's sadly our best option at FS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 10:36 PM

I prefer Horton but that's because he hasn't been on the field to make as much mistakes as Moore and Doughty. But if the choice is between giving up multiple 1st downs to TEs or one or two big plays to the RB. I'll take the first.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: artsnsportz | October 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse


In 7 games that AH played in versus the Colts he had 28 tackles, 1 pass defend, 1 sack and 1 force fumble.

Funny that we suddenly assume he has no chance of keeping up with Colts...

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

*amend*

7 starts

9 games played in

Can't recall a time that fisher deactivated him b/c Manning's scary hurry-up was too much for him to handle.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

*amend*
7 starts

9 games played in

Can't recall a time that fisher deactivated him b/c Manning's scary hurry-up was too much for him to handle.

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 10:48 PM |

You know what slows the hurry-up offense...a 3 and out. I'll say it again, the Skins have no one on the Dline that can generate pressure consistently, except for AH. With the lack of coverage ability from the secondary, and not ideal LB play, Shanny needs to get AH more playing time going forward now that he's here for the remainder of the year.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

p1-

Is that suppose to be impressive? The dude is paid like an perennial all-pro yet he's an average NFL player. So he was right at his career average for tackles per game at 3, below his career sacks per season at 3, and had 1 of his 6 career FF in 10 seasons during those 9 games played.

He's overrated, overpaid, and is brutally average. There is no way to quantify his contributions to other players unless you'd like me to tell you that 98 & 99 had just as many sacks with AH on the field as they did with him off last year.

C'mon p1…

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

How many times do any of you recall our d-lineman STANDING at the line of scrimmage during the Colts game!!???

What was that!!!???

Posted by: skins91r

I am generally in the glass half full camp about this season and going forward, but i was frustrated AH wasnt playing and a three point loss makes you wonder..

i also cosign that I am getting annoyed at this amoeba crappe...I mean the standing up against Manning was dumb, dumb dumb...he obviously knew exactly what to audible to...cough a run....and it caught the linemen flat footed over and over again. You can't have players over thinking against Peyton. He will out smart you everytime. Play him tough like rabid dogs and if he beats you, well join the club...but letting Peyton beat you at checkers when you think you are playing chess is idiotic.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.

If any of us are out for a week, do we forget everything about our job and need to be trained again? If a football player who has been in two a days for weeks and has played 4 pre-season games misses a week of practice, is he all of a sudden so out of shape that he can't go at least 20 plays?

Posted by: bjbmusa | October 19, 2010 8:08 PM |

Where have you been. He hasn't been in two a days EVER. He missed all of the OTA's and minicamp and then missed a bunch of training camp because he was out of shape, then got injured. Those are when we have 2 a days. I don't think you have paid any attention. Plus the guy missed a bunch of practice from injuries and the untimely death of his brother. He has practiced the least amount of any player NOT on IR and has demonstrated that he never learned the defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 8:13 PM

U R right. I must not be paying attention. I did not know OTA's and minicamp were when a team did 2 a days. And I THOUGHT Albert PASSED Shanahan's conditioning test! I also THOUGHT Albert played damn near the entire game the last pre-season game to prove his conditioning. I also THOUGHT he came into T-Camp after having shed several pounds.

And U R right, in Albert's last game against the Eagles, he did look like he still had not learned the D-Fense. In fact, he looked so dumb that on the play Vick got hurt near the goal line, the play was called back because the O lineman had to hold ol'e dumb Albert. Then on another play Orakpo got a sack, he being unblocked because 2 Philly O-Lineman were busy blocking ol'e, dumb, out of shape Albert.

Listen, I have been to every home game since AH has been here. He BLOWS up the O Lineman in front of him darn near every play!!!!! And when he "lays" on the ground after a play, it is usually after he pushes back two 280+ O Lineman.

The skins get virtually no pressure from the D-Line and are giving up the most yards per game of any team, yet U folks think Shanny and Haslet have it all figured out and Haynesworth is the problem. Get past the ego and let AH wreck havoc.

If any think Al was too out of shape to go at least 20 plays, I have a bridge in BK to sell you. Game plan? Game plan? Put pressure on Manning!! What else is the game plan for a D-Linemen when playing a team that throws as much as the Colts??

Posted by: bjbmusa | October 19, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Game plan? Game plan? Put pressure on Manning!! What else is the game plan for a D-Linemen when playing a team that throws as much as the Colts??

Posted by: bjbmusa | October 19, 2010 11:28 PM |

He doesn't know the amoeba yet.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Listen, I have been to every home game since AH has been here. He BLOWS up the O Lineman in front of him darn near every play!!!!! And when he "lays" on the ground after a play, it is usually after he pushes back two 280+ O Lineman.


Posted by: bjbmusa | October 19, 2010 11:28 PM

..and I've watched every game on TV and I've seen him run himself right out of plays, get put on his back by single olinemen and have some good plays too. I call BS onyour comment because he most certainly does NOT blow up the guy in front of him on virtually every play.

Look, I'm all for playing Al over not playing him. He's our most talented Dlineman but he's not very bright and doesn't run the defense we play. He's ALWAYS taking plays off and "breaks" during series. He missed more practice than any other player on the team. Let's not make him out to be superman here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

You know what slows the hurry-up offense...a 3 and out.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2010 11:04 PM

And yet they had one. WE got the ball back at our 38 with 2:38 and 3 TOs left. We went 4 and OUT. The D held again DM5 didn't get it done again.

AH would have been a factor or he would have been a detriment. NOBODY knows...Look at the snaps played from the DL and look at how many TOs we had left when we had a chance to win in it. Peyton is the best and the Colts have won the most regular season games in the last 10 years for a reason.

We gave this game away with Dhall's coverage, the 4 dropped INTs, and DM5's inaccuracy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse


We gave this game away with Dhall's coverage, the 4 dropped INTs, and DM5's inaccuracy.


Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 11:36 PM |

McNabb is horrible at running the 2 min offense. maybe the skins should run the hurry-up during the game and when they need to run the 2 min drill they'll be in tune to execute it.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 11:36 PM

You've repeatedly posted Haynesworth's career stats in an effort to show that he's not a good player. Do you know what D tackles do? Compare his numbers to any other DT you think is good and I am sure he measures up. It's OK to not like AH and what he's done since the offseason but to dismiss him as a player is silly. Teams weren't offering him $100M for his services because he wasn't a great player.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 19, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

We gave this game away with Dhall's coverage, the 4 dropped INTs, and DM5's inaccuracy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 11:36 PM

All that is true. All that says is that the Skins aren't talented enough yet. All that says is that not playing the best 45 on game day against an elite team is not in the best interest. I'm in the glass half empty camp regarding Sunday's game. The Colts played down to the Skins, and they still won (when was the last time the Colts had legitimately 8 turnovers in one game). If AH is on the team, then use him. A healthy AH gives the team a better chance to win than playing with Jarmon and Kemo, both of whom aren't all the way back from their injuries.

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse


...leaving draft picks, bad memories, and excessive thread about him behind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:12 PM

as long as he leaves draft picks behind...

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

You've repeatedly posted Haynesworth's career stats in an effort to show that he's not a good player. Do you know what D tackles do? Compare his numbers to any other DT you think is good and I am sure he measures up. It's OK to not like AH and what he's done since the offseason but to dismiss him as a player is silly. Teams weren't offering him $100M for his services because he wasn't a great player.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Exactly. Diesel is letting his dislike for AH cloud his judgement. Calling AH an average DT is hillarious.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"AH would have been a factor or he would have been a detriment. NOBODY knows"

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 11:36 PM

Really? Give me 1 DL on this team that has half the talent of AH. You hear the comments from his teammates, the guys has done everything asked of him by the coaches since he arrived.

He's handled it better than I could ever have......which ain't saying much!

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

You hear the comments from his teammates, the guys has done everything asked of him by the coaches since he arrived.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:21 AM

Ummmm, do you want to rethink that comment? No he most certainly has not.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse


Exactly. Diesel is letting his dislike for AH cloud his judgement. Calling AH an average DT is hillarious.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:08 AM |

play him, play him, our defensive savior AH. we must play him in order to win.

how about dump the above average loser.

you folks that think this guy can make a difference are the same people money can buy, it's that simple. have you any backbone ? it's all about accountability, something that's been missing at redskin park since snyder bought the team. then when he finally makes a decent decision at choosing a head coach, folks criticize that coaches disciplined approach of running the team. AH is a loser.

AH will play this year at some point. he probably won't make the impact that alot of you suggest, but we'll just have to trust shanahan's judgement now, won't we.


Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Ummmm, do you want to rethink that comment? No he most certainly has not.

Posted by: scampbell1975

I'm not talking about the pre camp stuff that Fletcher and the rest crushed him about. I'm talking about now, since camp opened and he started practicing.

His teammates have backed him up since then.

You gotta admit that was classless of Shanny to hold him out of the game for missing "1 day" of practice. Then we get the whole conditioning garbage to boot. C'mon scamp, you know that ain't right.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

hessone bow down to you god MS. I choose to think that he's human, and therefore subject to be criticized. You continue to believe that you show show character and a backbonw because you don't want AH to play. I'll show character in my daily interaction with others.

MS chose not to cut, nor to trade AH. So I'm not show what accountability message he's sending at this point. MS has decided to keep AH on his active roster, therfore play him.

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

lh1-

You're right. Stats don't tell the story about a DT. But he's been to 2 pro bowls in NINE (9 )yrs has 28 career sacks...Let's compare him to others …

Compare that to his hero and the guy he wanted to emulate...Reggie White, 13 probowls in 15 seasons

Or others making far less than our overpaid, overrated, malcontent that is an embarrassment to the BnG…

Tommie Harris (another malcontent) 3x in 5 yrs, 1 less sack in his career

Darnell Dockett 2x in 5 yrs, 2 less sacks in his career

Kevin Williams 5x in 7 yrs, He has TWENTY (20) more sacks.

Richard Seymour 5x in 9 yrs, He has 13 more sacks

Kris Jenkins (Terp) 4x in 9 ys

John Henderson 2x, in 8 yrs, He has 1 more sack in his career

Marcus Stroud 3x in 10 yrs

Aaron Smith 1x in 11 yrs, He has SIXTEEN (16) more sacks

Shaun Rogers 3x in 9 yrs, He has 7.5 more sacks

Corey Williams (6th RD pick in 2004) in 5yrs no probowls 6 less sacks

You guys want to make him the victim and that we're are keeping Superman from playing but he's more like Lois. He's a decent player that has shat all over our team and not only does he not know his assignment, he's still out of shape.

I'd rather pay a decent overachiever than a good underachiever everyday and twice on Sunday………….


Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

You gotta admit that was classless of Shanny to hold him out of the game for missing "1 day" of practice. Then we get the whole conditioning garbage to boot. C'mon scamp, you know that ain't right.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:35 AM

I don't have to admit it because I don't know all the facts. I know what people including Shanny have said but he often gives the media nothing. Having said that I would rather have him playing than not. I certainly won't deny that. The only argument I continue to make is that we don't really know what's going on and Hayney has NOT earned the benefit of the doubt thus far.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse


You gotta admit that was classless of Shanny to hold him out of the game

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:35 AM |

disagree on this here,

AH is the one with no class. I don't believe you can back up your claim that his teammates support him.

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

how about dump the above average loser.

you folks that think this guy can make a difference are the same people money can buy, it's that simple. have you any backbone ? it's all about accountability, something that's been missing at redskin park since snyder bought the team. then when he finally makes a decent decision at choosing a head coach, folks criticize that coaches disciplined approach of running the team. AH is a loser.

AH will play this year at some point. he probably won't make the impact that alot of you suggest, but we'll just have to trust shanahan's judgement now, won't we.


Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:26 AM

This "loser" got it done for one of the best coaches in football, Jeff Fisher. This "loser" averaged more wins per season in his career than anyone on this roster.

I think its the coaches job to maximize the talent of his best player. AH happens to be one of the best DTs in the game.I can't subscibe to the theory that you win with the "good guys" like Golsten, Holliday, Kemo, etc.

Discipline is fine. I think Shanny has made his point as to who's running this operation. Now, its getting petty.

Like I said earlier, B Mitch said it better than anyone could.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse


MS chose not to cut, nor to trade AH. So I'm not show what accountability message he's sending at this point. MS has decided to keep AH on his active roster, therfore play him.

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2010 12:38 AM

and if you read my whole post...

...AH will play this year at some point. he probably won't make the impact that alot of you suggest, but we'll just have to trust shanahan's judgement now, won't we.

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:26 AM |

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

You gotta admit that was classless of Shanny to hold him out of the game

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:35 AM |

disagree on this here,

AH is the one with no class. I don't believe you can back up your claim that his teammates support him.


Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:44 AM

All you had to do was watch the post game show. What more do you need?

And anyone coach, employer, etc who penalizes a player for missing "1 practice" after a tragic death is classless.

Again, I'm happy to have Shanny. It doesn't mean that everything he does is right.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Bottomline...AH has all but wiped his ass with our beloved team. If you choose to take his side over a coach and front office that is trying to change the culture then that's on you.

He's easily our best DL when he wants to play, is in shape, and knows the scheme.

Last week he was 1 for 3. Not good enough for me.

dcwun- He wears the BnG so yes I root for him but not above the team. I will always put the tradition, team, and uniform above any individual player regardless of perceived talent.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

This "loser" got it done for one of the best coaches in football, Jeff Fisher.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:45 AM

This is another statement often made that I completely disagree with. The dude makes it to the playoffs a lot sure, but so does Norv. He never wins the big game and never will. He ain't all that. He's as good as Andy Reid. Which is to say he's good, but NOT great.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse


@dcwun

just looked at the stats of other DT's that diesel posted. your claim that AH is the best defensive player we have is garbage

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather pay a decent overachiever than a good underachiever everyday and twice on Sunday………….


Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 12:42 AM

That's fine if they impact the game similarly. However, if the overachievers aren't stopping the run, nor stopping the pass, nor pressuring the qb, nor sacking the qb...you better get another set of overachievers.

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

This "loser" got it done for one of the best coaches in football, Jeff Fisher. This "loser" averaged more wins per season in his career than anyone on this roster.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:45 AM

Let me introduce you to McNabb.

What's with your MANCRUSH on a player that has ZERO repect to wear the uniform you root for?

ANSWER that dcwun...

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather pay a decent overachiever than a good underachiever everyday and twice on Sunday………….

Posted by: Diesel44

And if you were the Skins coach, you'd continue the recent legacy of losing. Talent wins at the end of the day and its up to the coaches to motivate and bring it out.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Redskins dropped interceptions, got some bad calls and DMac didn't have a great game. Despite that they were in position to win it at the end. The presence or absence of AH had about as much to do with it as the color of their pants. It's easy to imagine him blowing up the Colt's OL and pressuring Manning. But it's even easier to imagine him gassed and helpless after two plays.

Posted by: mack1 | October 20, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully after this weekend the only AH posts we'll see is about how many snaps he played and how dominant he was. I've grown weary of this line of discussion. Night all and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

That's fine if they impact the game similarly. However, if the overachievers aren't stopping the run, nor stopping the pass, nor pressuring the qb, nor sacking the qb...you better get another set of overachievers.

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2010 12:56 AM

TWISI- You and I rarely disagree. I agree that he's our best DL, but not if he doesn't know his assignments or is out of shape.

We're going 8-8 this year and it's more about building a culture moving forward. Sorry if I applaud taking 1 step back so we can take 3 steps forward..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

We're going 8-8 this year and it's more about building a culture moving forward. Sorry if I applaud taking 1 step back so we can take 3 steps forward..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 1:04 AM

Fair enough. It's late as sh!t...I'm going to pay for it tomorrow.

HTTR

Posted by: TWISI | October 20, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Good discussion peeps. I'd buy most of you a beer, and a Zima or a Sea Breeze for dcwun.

Hail!

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Let me introduce you to McNabb.

What's with your MANCRUSH on a player that has ZERO repect to wear the uniform you root for?

ANSWER that dcwun...

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 12:58 AM

You are correct, but I was referring to the defensive players though.

Why would you say he has zero respect for the uniform? Because of mini camps missed? You know there are players on this team and around the league the league that NEVER attend voluntary camp. Was he wrong to miss the mandatory camp, absolutely.

I don't fault him for being angry about the switch to the 3-4. Just like any athlete, regardless of what they say, it is about stats. To say the he has zero respect for the uniform.....Not sure about that.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Good discussion peeps. I'd buy most of you a beer, and a Zima or a Sea Breeze for dcwun.

Hail!

Posted by: Diesel44

That's cold brah! A shot will do.

HAIL.....

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

dcwun-

Tell me again how AH has respected the team that paid him THIRTY TWO MILLION DOLLARS in 12 months of employment...

So he signed with a Redskin team owned by Dan $nyder (dig at hessone), coached by a career QB coach and he didn't expect any change during his record setting contract?

You want a coke with no ice instead of a sea breeze?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

If the scheme is working fine without him, then that's a different story. Fact is this defense's best performance of the year came against Philly when AH also had his best game of the year getting pressure up the middle.

It's an inconvenient fact because we hate his attitude and his work ethic.


Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2010 7:41 PM


OK, first of all it's not a "fact" that the Skins best game was in Philly...considering Dallas was held to 7 points WITH their starting QB in the entire game, I'll say THAT was their best performance (on defense) to date. Last time I checked, AH didn't have such a central role in that one.

Either way, too many up here are viewing AH thru the prism of his '07 and '08 form. That guy ain't comin' back....probably not ever. What you saw in '09 is about as good as you can realistically hope for. So I hope you like a marginally conditioned fat guy with the motor of a used Corolla.

This is so common sense to me that I can't imagine how anyone can think this guy is dominant anymore....stop looking at this guy as Reggie White 2.0 and see him for what he is: Dana Stubblefield 2.0.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Studs and Duds from John Keim @ the Examiner:

Studs

RB Ryan Torain. He had probably two bad runs all night, once trying to stretch too wide on a run around left end, when the cutback was available. Another time near the goal-line he ran backside (probably by design), but it was not clear. He could have turned upfield for a good run. However … other than those runs Torain was excellent. He’s not a burner by any means, but he can break tackles and did so consistently. Loved how he pressed the hole on some runs. Even on his 9-yard touchdown run, which was well-blocked, he froze the linebackers by making it appear he would run up into the hole. He didn’t and took it outside then juked the corner and … touchdown. Another time he froze a linebacker (stuck behind a teammate being blocked by a double team) by pressing the hole and cut inside.

WR Anthony Armstrong. He caught five passes but only for 46 yards. Still, he showed that he can run multiple routes and he caught one post route in which he knew he’d get clobbered. He’s developing into a solid contributor. But what was impressive were the blocks; he cracked back a few times on linebackers and even an end (as he did on Torain’s touchdown run). Joey Galloway threw a couple nice blocks and Santana Moss was responsible for some backside blocks. But Armstrong was consistent with his blocks.

Special teams coverage. It’s not just one guy, it’s a handful. When you have good special teams, you usually have this: athletic big men. The Redskins have that in abundance with Lorenzo Alexander, H.B. Blades, Mike Sellers and Chris Wilson. Sellers had a huge hit; Alexander forced a fumble. It just seems like every week someone on this unit is blowing someone up. It’s hard to imagine another coverage unit that is more physical.

P Hunter Smith. He punted six times for a 46.2-yard average, sticking the Colts inside the 20 twice and another time at the 22. He also had a 56-yard punt from his own end zone; it was returned 13 yards but a 43-yard net in that situation is darned good. The defense then force a punt so he deserves an assist on that one. Just as important is that Smith is getting good hang-time, allowing the coverage to do its job.

CB Phillip Buchanon. He received his most extensive playing time of the season and he did a fairly good job. But he gets on this list for one series. With Washington needing the ball back, and just under three minutes remaining, Buchanon came up with two excellent plays. Both came vs. Reggie Wayne. Both featured excellent position. The first was a short throw, but it set the tone for the series. On the second, Buchanon read Wayne as he sprinted downfield, turned at the last second and knocked the pass away. The Colts had to figure they’d take advantage of that matchup, but they did not and it forced a punt.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 5:29 AM | Report abuse

Duds

RT Jammal Brown. He struggled most of the game vs. Robert Mathis. Why? Because Brown has a hard time getting low and a speed rusher like Mathis will take advantage. Once, Mathis’ head was just below Brown’s chest. Brown likes to let defenders get into him, but for a guy like Mathis that just lets him do what he does best: spin. And Brown couldn’t stop him unless Artis Hicks or Keiland Williams provided help. On the next-to-last series, Mathis one time spun so fast by him that Brown whiffed on his attempt to hit him. Amazingly, on the last touchdown series, Brown was beaten by Mathis five times but quick throws or helpful teammates bailed him out.

LT Trent Williams. Sunday night, I didn’t think he played that poorly. And maybe he didn’t considering he was facing Dwight Freeney. But he didn’t fare well, even though Freeney only finished with modest stats (two quarterback hurries, one pass defensed). But he constantly pushed Williams back and applied pressure. Like Brown, Williams needed more help than normal; Kory Lichtensteiger helped him out on occasion as did Keiland Williams. That’s how it’s supposed to work, but, regardless, Williams had problems. He did have some nice blocks, but Freeney controlled him. The hard part for Williams is that, unlike Brown, he would get low. But Freeney would get lower. There was one time (on the final play) when Williams was too low – his chest was parallel to the ground and he ended up falling. Williams also was called for holding twice (once vs. Freeney).

FS Kareem Moore. He adds a lot of speed in the secondary, but he failed to make plays and he missed too many tackles. Maybe he’ll develop, but he most definitely has not been a stud in the secondary. Not yet anyway. Sunday, he dropped an easy pick (he was near Carlos Rogers; maybe he caught something) and it appeared he was eyeing the open field instead of looking the ball in – he also tried to catch it more with his body. That’s a bad combo. On the second one, it would have been a nice pick as he was lunging forward. But it was manageable. The missed tackles are an issue. He missed one on Joseph Addai’s 46-yard run; he missed another a couple plays later on a draw that went for a touchdown. And he took another bad angle on a pass route leading to a 24-yard gain. Gave up way too much extra yardage.

CB DeAngelo Hall. Give him this much: he owned up to his mistakes and never ducked responsibility. He simply blew the coverage on the touchdown pass to Pierre Garcon. It appeared LaRon Landry was late getting back, but that’s wrong. Landry was covering his quarter and Hall was simply beat. Hall also missed a tackle and was beaten by Blair White – Blair White! – for a crucial catch. Just got past him at the line.

more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 5:30 AM | Report abuse

continued...

QB Donovan McNabb. He’s measured differently so an average game by him will be marked accordingly. Aside from the final touchdown drive, McNabb was not at his best. In fairness, the pressure broke down as the game wore on and the best plays he made came outside the pocket (as usual). McNabb was 10 for 11 for 78 yards on the last TD march. The rest of the game he was 19 for 34 for 168 yards; not good. Cris Collinsworth touched on this and it was noticeable: his footwork is inconsistent. At times McNabb strides into his throw. That leads to inaccuracy and a slower delivery (resulting in passes behind receivers). Meanwhile, Peyton Manning’s feet were well-spaced when he was in the pocket; no need for a stride; accurate passes. Now, McNabb is a different QB and, again, does his damage outside the pocket. But it was striking. And one of the first things Mike Shanahan looks for in a QB is footwork. He made a mistake on the first interception; Santana Moss was never open and he forced it to him.

CB Carlos Rogers. Once again he played pretty well for most of the game. And sometimes I give him a pass with his hands. But not this time. In a game where you know you’re facing a quarterback such as Manning and when the other team is likely to score a decent amount, you MUST take advantage of turnover opportunities. I’ll let him go for the second drop because Dallas Clark was right there (it was good coverage) but Rogers had terrific position on the first one and just dropped it. Really can’t figure out why his hands stink. They’ve provided all sorts of reasons/excuses (looking at the open field all the time; hogwash) but it really is simple. He can’t catch. Next up on the news: Dog bites man. Also, Rogers was fooled on Austin Collie’s touchdown pass; Collie played it like a run and Rogers relaxed and then watched the receiver sprint into the end zone for an easy score. Rogers didn’t have many bad plays – he’s playing the best of the corners. But in this game he really needed to make a play and he didn’t.

Suds

LB Brian Orakpo. Man, this was a hard one. He should be a dud because, except for one play, he did very, very little. But Orakpo has a way of making that one play and it helped the Redskins get back in the game. He was clearly gassed because of the tempo and it prevented him from rushing as low as he normally does. Which is why we rarely saw him do much. But he did get low on his sack-fumble of Manning (really a strip) to set up a touchdown. Still, zippity-do-da the rest of the game.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Studs-and-Duds-Redskins-Colts-105296328.html#ixzz12tEIgAm1

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

When is the journo trade deadline? I'm hoping reid gets shipped out.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

more amazing statistics!

(how can anyone make statistics sound dull?)

beep beep

Posted by: beep-beep | October 20, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Do u wanna play a guy who isn't conditioned and doesn't know the game plan?

Is it Albert Haynesworth? Then YES I do want to play him.

Conditioning isn't lost in 6 days it takes 2 weeks for measurable losses.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2010 7:19 PM

Are you Haynie's other half brother or are you just a simplistic retard? How many days does it take an unconditioned semi-out-of-shape lard-ass to lose his conditioning... that is the real question. If a person is not conditioned, as is the case with Haynie, muscle deterioration is expedited. The dude was an over-stuffed windbag last year and a humiliation to the organization when pulling himself out of games or feigning injury (costing a valuable time out at the end of a game) because he was out of breath. Now we have a coaching staff demanding players be in shape and perform and you have an issue with it? As I understand the simple rules laid down by the new coaching staff - practice, you play: know the playbook, you play: know the game plan, you play: give it your all, you play. Which one of these simple tasks has Haynie completed?

Posted by: dmr0834 | October 20, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"If Albert Haynesworth leaves the Redskins, it won't be via trade. The NFL's trade deadline passed at 4 o'clock on Tuesday afternoon and there was apparently no movement on the Haynesworth front. That means he'll remain a Redskin and will finish out the season in Washington unless the team opts to release him."

This is called Journalism?

C'mon Jason, I understand you think there is a story here. There isn't move on, bring us something about Chicago, or about other players. Just leave Haynesworth alone for now. Sheesh.

Posted by: Veretax | October 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

dmr0834: well said. I have thought about this and I think I'm correct that perhaps not only did this team need to become reacquainted with discipline, but perhaps we fans too need to refocus on a coaching staff,(management staff)which requires accountability of ALL players to the team. This is nothing new if you have ever been involved in oh say....little league football on up. If you are on the side: Coach S just wants to tweak AH. Are you are saying Coach S (who I think most would acknowledge wants to prove to the league and especially those who kicked him to the curb) he is STILL an elite coach, is fine with benching anyone who obeys the team rules and WILL help this team win, just to make some innocuous point, even if it costs the team a win....really? Or....does Coach S wish AH had self esteem, hell, self anything, making AH, thus the Skins defense, highly effective? Isn't that what this whole AH drama boils down to?

Posted by: MTalleyMon | October 20, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder needs to grow a set. Look what happened when Tennesse's owner TOLD the coach to play Vince Young.

Posted by: MRSTEVEJ | October 20, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have never been too active at the trading deadline, but here is one deal that I hope they make:
Washington trades DE Andre Carter to the Texans for RB Steve Slaton, WR Dorin Dickerson and a 4th round pick (Redskins might have to include a player like Barnes or Horton to even out the deal)

To read analysis on this trade idea check out my friend's article on: http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/10/19/trade-idea-for-the-redskins/

Redskins Trade Derrick Dockery and a 5th round pick to the Cleveland Browns For Shaun Rogers and a 6th round pick (the one from the Broncos)

This is another trade idea that you can read the analysis on at: http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/10/19/another-redskins-trade-idea/

Posted by: bmurph24 | October 20, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have never been too active at the trading deadline, but here is one deal that I hope they make:
Washington trades DE Andre Carter to the Texans for RB Steve Slaton, WR Dorin Dickerson and a 4th round pick (Redskins might have to include a player like Barnes or Horton to even out the deal)

To read analysis on this trade idea check out my friend's article on: http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/10/19/trade-idea-for-the-redskins/

Redskins Trade Derrick Dockery and a 5th round pick to the Cleveland Browns For Shaun Rogers and a 6th round pick (the one from the Broncos)

This is another trade idea that you can read the analysis on at: http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/10/19/another-redskins-trade-idea/

Posted by: bmurph24 | October 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

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