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Posted at 5:24 PM ET, 12/ 7/2010

Albert Haynesworth's agent: Redskins' claims 'are vague and without merit'

By Rick Maese

Albert Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, has confirmed that the disgruntled defensive lineman will appeal the Redskins' suspension. In a released statement, Speck noted that Haynesworth had not been previously warned about his actions, which could be the groundwork for his defense.

Here's the full statement from Speck:

"I have reviewed the Notice of Suspension letter sent to Albert by Bruce Allen as well as the comments made by Coach Shanahan. Albert and I have discussed the claims made in the Notice of Suspension and we disagree with the Redskins' decision. He was surprised by the suspension, the maximum permitted under the CBA, and will certainly appeal it.

The accusations made by Coach Shanahan and Bruce Allen are vague and without merit. Since training camp began, today's notice was the first that Albert received informing him that his conduct was not consistent with the 'terms of his contract' as Coach Shanahan claims. Bruce confirmed to me today, that there have been no other letters or formal notices of any kind sent to Albert during the regular season suggesting that he was engaging in conduct detrimental to the team.

We will begin the appeal process immediately and expect the facts to come to light during arbitration. Albert has repeatedly asked for a bigger role in the defense -- he simply wants to play and maximize his contribution to the team. It is unfortunate that he has not been utilized more, as the Redskins defense causes more turnovers and gives up fewer total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, first downs, third down conversions and points when Albert plays in the game."

By Rick Maese  | December 7, 2010; 5:24 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Comments

As if this dude wants all the specifics to be made public... his client is a friggin' mess, and the less on the record about that, the better for his future earnings, you would think.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

When you are getting paid $8million a year to make the right decisions at the right time, then you absolutely open yourself up to criticism for not doing the "right" thing sooner.

Shanny had the power to end this charade weeks ago and get something back. Instead, he chose to keep AH around and continue the distraction circus, and now his value is as low as ever.

You keep harping about accountability...why exempt the head guy from that?

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 4:47 PM


He's not exempt, he deserves a share of the blame for the escalation of the situation for giving Haynesworth too many chances. But the majority of the blame should still be focused on Haynesworth, because if not for him, there's no problem, period.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Me: Hey, Santa. I'd really love a new car for Christmas.

Santa: That's a tall order, kid.

Me: OK, how about just a Redskins team that isn't a national embarrassment every year?

Santa: Leather or Cloth interior?

Posted by: filthy_laugh | December 7, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

At least we didn't give up draft picks to get Haynesworth.

Posted by: Section104 | December 7, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan would have been criticized no matter what happened and when, unless you believe there was some way to emerge from this with the best possible solution (Albert playing up to the value of his contract as a Redskin). That's the breaks of being the head guy in the organization.

I believe he gave Albert more opportunity to revive his Redskin career than Albert deserved, and Shanahan was rewarded with worse than nothing... I believe Albert's behavior of late has been actively harming the team.

The majority of the blame remains on Snyder and Cerrato for signing this dude in the first place. F those jerks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 7, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how Shanahan did or did not mismanage the situation because it doesn't matter. Haynesworth is a cancer that needed to be removed from this organization and he represents everything that was wrong with the pre-Allen/Shanahan regime. Congrats to Bruce and Mike for doing the right thing and suspending the worthless piece of $h!t.

Posted by: croftonpost | December 7, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I WANT DRAFT PICKS!!!! IBTCHES! Where the fck is vinny on the other side of the tablle, of shanny???!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 7, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Direct Quote from a player and position mate:

“In the NFL as a player, you want to be respected by your teammates. That’s all you can ask for,” Holliday said. “And right now, he doesn’t have that respect because a lot of times it seems like he’s playing for himself. He doesn’t buy into the team concept.”

Holliday went on to say what a tough position Haynesworth has consistently put coach Mike Shanahan in./


Is it not pretty clear the entire coaching staff and the roster of players thinks that Albert is a joke?

How anyone is choosing to focus this on what the coach did wrong is beyond me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan would have been criticized no matter what happened and when, unless you believe there was some way to emerge from this with the best possible solution (Albert playing up to the value of his contract as a Redskin). That's the breaks of being the head guy in the organization.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 7, 2010 5:43 PM

I disagree, Nate. There have been a lot of players wearing burgundy and gold screwing up lately, yet they keep getting lots of live action and lots of snaps. Obviously, Haynesworth has screwed up at times during the games too. But he barely got any snaps.

I strongly believe he would have been a gamechangin DL and one of our top 3 or 4 defensive players if he was getting in the game instead of sitting on the bench.

He was never going to live up that monster contract, but that's OK. He can still be a playmaker and play at a pro-bowl level. He's done it, even with the few snaps he played this year.

When Shanahan decided to publicly humiliate him with the fitness test early in the year, the well was poisoned. He showed up to camp in decent shape, around 330 lbs (not obese as originally reported and feared). He wanted to play.

Things got off on the wrong foot, surely, but Shanahan definitely made it worse.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

alan4,

No amount of Shanahan scrutiny comes remotely close to justifying Haynesworth's lack of professionalism or Haynesworth's lack of respect for his teammates. Until Albert grows up he will be just like TO. A cancer to any organization he plays for, bar none.

Posted by: croftonpost | December 7, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

AH had numerous chances to prove by performance. He could have been a DC icon like Daryl Green. But he doesn't have the character - loyalty to teammates.

Did you see Rothlesberger Monday night against the Ravens? Dude broke his nose, they reset it and he doesn't miss a series.

Did you see Ray Lewis?!

Don't give me this AH line. His actions prove the man

Posted by: pharrrrtt | December 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

alan4...

Do you have anything to say about Holiday's words above?

Do you know more about this than players in the locker room?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

If the union hears testimony from several coaches and players that back up Shanahan, will the claims still be "vague and without merit"?

Even if the players can't/don't testify, their comments in the next week will be public record. I was sick of the whole Haney saga before this, but now I'm actually looking forward to Reid's player quotes.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 7, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

,i>alan4...

Do you have anything to say about Holiday's words above?

Do you know more about this than players in the locker room?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 6:11 PM

Teammate Kemoeatu: "I know some fireworks went down today at the facility with Haynes not showing up, I just hope that they get something worked out. If Haynesworth is with us this season, we'll be a great defense. I was looking forward to working with him."

Teammate McNabb: Albert is one of our brothers in the locker room . . . he understands, 'Hey, I got to put the time and effort in. We can't win without him."


I think they respect his game.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Direct Quote from a player and position mate:

“In the NFL as a player, you want to be respected by your teammates. That’s all you can ask for,” Holliday said. “And right now, he doesn’t have that respect because a lot of times it seems like he’s playing for himself. He doesn’t buy into the team concept.”

Holliday went on to say what a tough position Haynesworth has consistently put coach Mike Shanahan in./


Is it not pretty clear the entire coaching staff and the roster of players thinks that Albert is a joke?

How anyone is choosing to focus this on what the coach did wrong is beyond me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

I'd like to hear what guys who won't have a problem finding a job next year have to say. You know, McNabb, Orakpo, Hall, Landry, etc.

I'd also like to know why Haynesworth's former team and former coach in Detroit were willing to trade for him this year plus pay him the $11 million he is guaranteed next season if everyone knows is worthless?

If Shanahan had the best interest of the team in mind, he would have traded Haynesworth just like Belchick did with Moss.

Posted by: ablake70 | December 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, I wish it had gone down differently, and I wish both Shanny and Albert had done things differently. But they didn't.

Albert should have been showcased as our best defensive player this season, in a scheme that took full advantage of his gifts. But he wasn't, for a variety of reasons.

Everything we've seen this season stems from Albert's decision to take that massive bonus, which was contingent (as I understand it) on his willingness to go along with the Shanahan program, despite his misgivings. Simply put, he did not go along with the program. And that's on him.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 7, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Teammate Kemoeatu: "I know some fireworks went down today at the facility with Haynes not showing up, I just hope that they get something worked out. If Haynesworth is with us this season, we'll be a great defense. I was looking forward to working with him."

Teammate McNabb: Albert is one of our brothers in the locker room . . . he understands, 'Hey, I got to put the time and effort in. We can't win without him."


I think they respect his game.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 6:23 PM

Both of those quotes were made weeks ago when those players believed that they would have to continue working with Fat Albert for the rest of the season. It would be interesting to hear their opinions about Fat Albert NOW, considering that they will no linger be sharing a locker room or field with him.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 7, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I WANT DRAFT PICKS!!!! IBTCHES! Where the fck is vinny on the other side of the tablle, of shanny???!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 7, 2010 5:45 PM

+1 I don't understand how that guy has been given the keys to another teams front office yet.

Posted by: skinswest | December 7, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget to look under the other rock.. this move serves to keep the attention OFF the coach for a lousy first year on the job. Questionable moves, questionable calls, bad decisions and of course losing record.

Want to refocus the heat off your own ineptitude, just hang out the most conductive lightning rod.. The quicker-picker-upper.. and boom.. Lo and behold, nary a word about me.

Posted by: iubiquity | December 7, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

cant he still be traded after this season? For a 4th rounder? 5th? 6th? 7th in the 2014 draft?
As much of a mess as the dude is, if I was the coach or GM of a team that plays his style of defense, I would be dying to get a hold of him.
Maybe I've played too much madden but imagine him and Suh on the Detroit d line. Not that I am that much in favor of strengthening a team that will kill the skins in years to come, but come on, who wouldnt want to see that blitzkrieg?

Posted by: royhperkins | December 7, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

all haynsworth had to do was put on his practice gear, go out and at least attempt to do what the coaches asked. he nixed it from the beginning.....he had no intent of being a part of this team and is probably mad it took the team so long to make it so he didn't have to play. the whole thing is ridiculous, but only because the danny allowed any of this to occur. he is the complete culprit of this whole fiasco of redskin football.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | December 7, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing that there are STILL fans willing to stick up for Butterworth, when not a single teammate has come out in his defense in this mess. Instead, two teammates have just gone to the media (Holliday and Philips) to describe Butterworth's overall selfishness this season.

Guess there will always be slurpers out there for the me-first athletes. Keep slurping away - the rest of us can now move on.

Posted by: hithere1 | December 7, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't even look forward to Sundays anymore...or Mondays after the beat down!

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 7, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't even look forward to Sundays anymore...or Mondays after the beat down!

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 7, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't even look forward to Sundays anymore...or Mondays after the beat down!

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 7, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick from reading this blog and listening to 980 and 106.7. If you have the audacity to defend Haynesworth and his 12 starts, 2.5 tackles per game played, and 7 total sacks all the while wiping his ass with our beloved team then....F U. Find a new team, go to a children's hospital and root for cancer, but better yet don't procreate because the world has it's fill of stupid people.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do people try to compare Moss to fat al????????

Posted by: dqhec | December 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

iubiquity

I totally agree. Now everyone is talking about big Al instead of the awful unprepared team that Shan has put out there. Big Al didn't do everything right but he is man and I am happy he stood up like one. Just because someone is in authority over you doesn't mean you have to kiss their ass. Just like I told my ex boss from over a year ago. I am a man and not you child and you are going to talk to me like a man. If you want to fire me then do so but I will not let you talk to me any type of way. I am still with the same company. Only thing I would have done different than Al was after the test bs and his Shan stupid staments. I would have given the $20 mil back and said kiss my black a**! Some people may want to kiss a** for a dollar but I am not one and I am glad Al isn't either. Then I would have prayed to be traded to a team within the division to blast them at least twice a year. F Shann!!

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick from reading this blog and listening to 980 and 106.7. If you have the audacity to defend Haynesworth and his 12 starts, 2.5 tackles per game played, and 7 total sacks all the while wiping his ass with our beloved team then....F U. Find a new team, go to a children's hospital and root for cancer, but better yet don't procreate because the world has it's fill of stupid people.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse


I agree. Here we are talking about this crap when we should be talking about a playoff push or better yet just winning one more game.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 7, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Why do people try to compare Moss to fat al????????

Posted by: dqhec | December 7, 2010 7:21 PM

Randy Moss, not Santana.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 7, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ablake70 | December 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Get your facts straight dude. He is not guaranteed 11 million next year.

I don't know the details exactly but it's much closer to $4 million. And I think that it actually became non guaranteed when he decided not to show up to an OTA.

And what proof does anyone have that DET made an offer?

And Alan4...Nice job countering the Holliday comments made TODAY with quotes from players made at the beginning of the season. A few things have changed since then.

I agree with Diesel...reading these comments makes me weep for humanity.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

F U. Find a new team, go to a children's hospital and root for cancer, but better yet don't procreate because the world has it's fill of stupid people.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44

Wow!!! Someone doesn't agree with your view and you tell them to go and root for cancer. I have lost friends to cancer and for you to put cancer and a damn football game in the same sentence really show who the stupid person is.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

What do Randy Moss and fat al have in common???????????????????

Posted by: dqhec | December 7, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

F U. Find a new team, go to a children's hospital and root for cancer, but better yet don't procreate because the world has it's fill of stupid people.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44

Wow!!! Someone doesn't agree with your view and you tell them to go and root for cancer. I have lost friends to cancer and for you to put cancer and a damn football game in the same sentence really show who the stupid person is.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Some "fans" have been jaded for so long from the dog and pony show of years gone by that they actually think Shanahan is wrong.

Remember Adam Archuleta (the highest paid safety in NFL history)...how about Bruce Smith? How about Dana Stubblefield? How about Clinton Portis?

FINALLY a regime (that has made some mistakes), that says if you get paid, you're going to play football!!!


Posted by: silkydee1 | December 7, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Establishing a culture of accountability by Lying (see mcnabbs benching) and making vague and meritless claims.

Thumbs-up Shana-doosh (ooh a new nickname) or doosh a Han

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Can't The skins get rid of a player without humiliating them? And themselves?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick from reading this blog and listening to 980 and 106.7. If you have the audacity to defend Haynesworth and his 12 starts, 2.5 tackles per game played, and 7 total sacks all the while wiping his ass with our beloved team then....F U. Find a new team, go to a children's hospital and root for cancer, but better yet don't procreate because the world has it's fill of stupid people.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010

Your problem is you read and see what you want to see. No one's defending AH at all. Folks are saying that Shanny has a huge role in this mess as well. Don't you think it ironic that most of the national media is placing a fair amount of blame on Shanny as well?

Can you honestly say this team is better coached than the team from last year? If so, please tell me how.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse


He's not exempt, he deserves a share of the blame for the escalation of the situation for giving Haynesworth too many chances. But the majority of the blame should still be focused on Haynesworth, because if not for him, there's no problem, period.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

the 3-4 switch created the problem! AH was already here. Everyone knew he's not a 3-4 player, everyone.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!! Someone doesn't agree with your view and you tell them to go and root for cancer. I have lost friends to cancer and for you to put cancer and a damn football game in the same sentence really show who the stupid person is.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 7:27 PM

If you want to know stupid then read your comments at 7:24 PM.

Thanks in advance.

I meant what I said...To make Haynesworth out to be the victim and to defend him is the equivalent of rooting for cancer.

It's like saying that besides that whole hatred for Jews, Hitler was a pretty swell guy..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I defended Al as long as possible, but I am so happy to be able to freely hate him now. All the denial I built up about how horrible this fat loser is can finally be let go and replaced with seething hatred. This was definitely the move to make. I wish Al nothing but failure and sadness in the future. The one thing that bothers me besides him getting his way and all that money, is that he was kind of right about the 3-4. We have probably the worst D in the league right now, which I'm sure he's happy about. At the end of the day though, nobody will ever respect him again, so that makes me happy. His personality reminds me of Barry Bonds, but at least a few people still like him because he actually played well for more than a year or two. Nobody likes Al, not even his own mama i betcha. Choke on some Tennessee BBQ fatty.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 7, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"I believe he gave Albert more opportunity to revive his Redskin career than Albert deserved, and Shanahan was rewarded with worse than nothing... I believe Albert's behavior of late has been actively harming the team."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 7, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

he switched to a defense that doesn't feature a 3 technique DT, how is that giving him an opportunity?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

The only blame that Shanahan should have to own is not trading him at the deadline for a 4th, 5th, whatever..

That's it that's the list.

So that's 99% on Haynesworth and 1% on Shanahan.

But F Dan and Vinny for all of it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I agree that Hanesworth had to go...but this whole thing sarted as a by product of switching defenses. I thought it was nuts when they announced they were changing to a 3-4; we had pretty good personnel to run the 4-3, as was evident by the past year's defensive rankings and totally did not have the right players to run the 3-4. I've never seen any blame put on Haslett...just saying, he was very mistaken in his calculations on his ability to change the defense.

Posted by: elderdave1 | December 7, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

“In the NFL as a player, you want to be respected by your teammates. That’s all you can ask for,” Holliday said. “And right now, he doesn’t have that respect because a lot of times it seems like he’s playing for himself. He doesn’t buy into the team concept.”

Holliday went on to say what a tough position Haynesworth has consistently put coach Mike Shanahan in./


Is it not pretty clear the entire coaching staff and the roster of players thinks that Albert is a joke?

How anyone is choosing to focus this on what the coach did wrong is beyond me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
==========================================
He could truely believe that or he might be sticking up for the guy that butter's his bread. I don't know...

This is like a political debate, people are arguing about two different things.

1. What Mike Shanahan is TRYING to do here.

2. What Mike Shanahan IS doing here.

I get that MS is restoring his order and rule on the Skins, he is their leader and should do so.
What I don't get is anything else he's done.
This guy isn't a scared cow. He didn't put 1 trophy in Duke Zeibert's and hasn't done anything for the Washington Redskins, yet. But I hope he does bring a trophy to Redskin Park...
Just like he holds AH accountable, he should be held accountable. Accountable for the state this team is in at this moment. The guy was out studying and formulating his plan in 2009. He got 30 new guys, these are his guys.
I not saying that we should be in the playoffs but the same melodrama that was supposed to end with his arrival has continued.
This is the point.
Couple that with bringing in Galloway & McNabb of all people, to play here? I like McNabb but as a die hard Skins fan its hard to stomach that he's a Redskin.

Posted by: priceisright | December 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW..RIP Elizabeth Edwards who died of cancer.

Her husband is a scumbag a few notches below Haynesworth.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The only blame that Shanahan should have to own is not trading him at the deadline for a 4th, 5th, whatever..

That's it that's the list.

So that's 99% on Haynesworth and 1% on Shanahan.

But F Dan and Vinny for all of it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010

What about the coaching Diesel? Didn't want to touch that one did you?

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!! Someone doesn't agree with your view and you tell them to go and root for cancer. I have lost friends to cancer and for you to put cancer and a damn football game in the same sentence really show who the stupid person is.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 7:27 PM

jm220, Diesel made that comment before you even posted. You're as needlessly sensitive and misguided as the fool you're defending. Bottom line: You care way more about the redskins that AH ever did or will. So stop.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has been our best DL this year, Carter 2nd best IMO, considering Orakpo is a LB, noone on the DL has don't S, except 92 and 99 on limited snaps.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

pabrian...

Haynesworth is an employee of a team. He was paid what he was owned and the Redskins upheld their part of the deal. If the team feels it's best to go to a 3-4, Haynesworth, as an employee of the team, must comply even though he may not like it.

Bottom line...

Posted by: silkydee1 | December 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Whoever had game 11 of 2010 season for Albert's last game in burgundy and gold -- you win the pool.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

“It seems to me like we’re going backward a lot the past two weeks,” the veteran tight end Chris Cooley said.

Backwards?: yeah, I agree.

But if Shanny's suspension of AH resonants the right way, forward movement should start up right after kick off this weekend against the Bucs.

There are more than a few players who'll look at the team's sudden downcast fortunes, and say, "Hey, there's an opportunity in all this confusion."

Smart players will look into Mike Shanahan's treatment of AH and DT and J Galloway, and see the tenuous nature of NFL employment.

If I'm on the roster, I'm going into the last 4 games like my career is on the line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Serious question here,

Did anyone else see Orakpo getting held coming around the end almost every play like I did? What does it take to get that call?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 7, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

AH had numerous chances to prove by performance. He could have been a DC icon like Daryl Green. But he doesn't have the character - loyalty to teammates.

Did you see Rothlesberger Monday night against the Ravens? Dude broke his nose, they reset it and he doesn't miss a series.

Did you see Ray Lewis?!

Don't give me this AH line. His actions prove the man
Posted by: pharrrrtt | December 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

have you ever seen a hockey game? Those guys get they're faces bashed in all the time and play for less $$. Don't gizz yourself over big Ben the sexual assaulter

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

A special edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, the End of the Albert Saga (almost), brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Sigh.

Really, how much more can be said? OK, lots more, but so what. The Albert saga is 98% over – there are still some $$ to be sorted out, nothing more. I can’t imagine anyone is surprised by how it ended. In June, when he skipped out on mandatory practices, I reposted several comments by RI nation after Albert originally signed in Feb 2009. Enthusiasm was rare, there was some cautious optimism. Most didn’t like it Congrats. In the ‘small consolation’ category, the folks up here got it right.

Those reposts cover a few threads and begin at: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/santana-moss/redskins-rest-coaches-pleased.html

Some samples:

yeah, Haynesworth will be on the bench with an oxygen mask ala Riggins and Golston will be in. While the team slowly slides into oblivion.
periculum |

It's all about the Benjamin's. He'll tank,we all know the history here in DC.
ridgely1

Hard to get excited when you've already seen this movie and the tragic ending a million times...
brownwood26

oh, Jesus.
How long until the skins regret *this* deal?
dubya19391

My take in June was ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES --- FAT ALBERT EDITION at:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/report-redskins-to-pursue-hayn-2.html

Albert, playing to his talent level would have been huge for us. He’d replace our weakest link, our interior DL, with an absolute stud. We got glimpses of what that might have meant, but nothing more.

I read the reports of Joe Gibbs hosting seminars to help athletes live better lives since many go broke not long after retirement. Expect Albert to become a case study.

I was one of the few that refused to believe the 3-4 was the real issue. There was/is something else going on in Albert’s life, but I can only take wild guesses and I’m not going there beyond this: A glance at Albert’s life outside of football reveals a train wreck and I suspect the answer is in there somewhere. It isn’t now and never was about X’s and O’s.

Even before today, Haynesworth and his drama were no longer major issues for this team. We weren’t going to the playoffs this year and Albert wasn’t coming back next. I doubt Albert’s departure galvanizes this team for a strong finish or that his absence causes this team to play worse than it has recently. Albert had already checked out, the only real difference is now its (sort of) official.

There will be a ton more written, but it was like marrying Charlie Sheen. You know the divorce coming, just a matter of when.

Albert is part of a different trend that is happening under current management, and that will be the subject of this week’s regular edition. With that, it’s a wrap on the special edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, the End of the Albert Saga (almost), as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is an employee of a team. He was paid what he was owned and the Redskins upheld their part of the deal. If the team feels it's best to go to a 3-4, Haynesworth, as an employee of the team, must comply even though he may not like it.

Bottom line...

Posted by: silkydee1

There isn't one star in the NFL that would subscibe to that statement. All athletes, especially the "stars" are selfish. What do you think Tom Brady would say if his numbers reflected him as the 10th best QB in the league? It is about stats because stats equal money.

Why do you think Adrian Peterson was so pissed this year? He needs his touches.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

alan4...

Do you have anything to say about Holiday's words above?

Do you know more about this than players in the locker room?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

this just in... Who-liday sux and would make only one roster in the NFL, guess which one? Vonnie holliday? Really? Why does Bruce smith have to say?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought ya'll said you be patient if we gotta GM and a proven coach???

I thought ya'll said you'd rather STINK for a couple of years rather than chase big name free agents???

Maybe I misread the posts on RI for the last 4 years!

Posted by: silkydee1 | December 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

What about the coaching Diesel? Didn't want to touch that one did you?

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 7:52 PM

What were your expectations? Mine were an optimistic 8-8. This coming off of ten years of neglect, last years 4-12 team, and the coaching staff inheriting the least talented team in the league. I could go on but I'm bored with this...

Bottom-line: This team is in the best hands since Snyder bought the team mainly because Snyder is out of the equation and Vinny is out of the building. It's going to take more than the worst FA class in the history of FA, 1 pick in the first 3 RDs, and 12 games to come to any conclusion. Most of you sound like the Snyder of old and the desire for instant gratification when it's going to take several years to fix the last 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has been our best DL this year,

Being the best defensive lineman on the league's 32nd defense is like being the shortest clown in the circus.

Plus: the point is debatable as from what I saw, Kedric Golston was on the field more than AH and was just as ineffective.

Dude is essentially a left 4-3 tackle whose singular move is exploding upfield through the 'A' gap.

NFL commentators all pointed out that AH tended to take the inside shoulder of the guard/tackle in front of him and made himself susceptible to outside runs: not stellar line play, trust me.

He didn't man the point of attack at NT.

His best games were against Chicago and Philadelphia when folks though we'd have a competitive season.

Once things fell apart, he shut down.

Now, he's been shut out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I thought ya'll said you be patient if we gotta GM and a proven coach???

I thought ya'll said you'd rather STINK for a couple of years rather than chase big name free agents???

Maybe I misread the posts on RI for the last 4 years!

Posted by: silkydee1 | December 7, 2010 8:03 PM

That was in April. It was easy to say it then.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 8:00 PM |

Top notch reading, all around.

Great post....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

mack1 I have no problem with Diesel view on big Al. Non at all. Like I said I have watch up close how cancer take a person away. So you damn right I am sensitive about it. I respect his veiw on Al as I want people to respect my view. I never said Al handled it correctly or was right. I just simply said after the physical test bs and the stuff that followed he should have stand up like a man. Shan should have taken in the office and blasted him and I could even agree blasting him in front of the team. But to take it and embarrass the guy to the whole world like he did was wrong. Wrong is wrong and I can not stand with wrong.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

ok, guess I was the only one to see the holding. All this AH Sh*t is so tired. Good riddance.

Diesel's best post in some time:

Bottom-line: This team is in the best hands since Snyder bought the team mainly because Snyder is out of the equation and Vinny is out of the building. It's going to take more than the worst FA class in the history of FA, 1 pick in the first 3 RDs, and 12 games to come to any conclusion. Most of you sound like the Snyder of old and the desire for instant gratification when it's going to take several years to fix the last 10.


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 7, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

What were your expectations? Mine were an optimistic 8-8. This coming off of ten years of neglect, last years 4-12 team, and the coaching staff inheriting the least talented team in the league. I could go on but I'm bored with this...

Bottom-line: This team is in the best hands since Snyder bought the team mainly because Snyder is out of the equation and Vinny is out of the building. It's going to take more than the worst FA class in the history of FA, 1 pick in the first 3 RDs, and 12 games to come to any conclusion. Most of you sound like the Snyder of old and the desire for instant gratification when it's going to take several years to fix the last 10.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010

Diesel, you truly are a company man.

My expectations were to take a defense that had 4 recent PB players and an emerging Laron Landry and make them better. I expected this genius of an offensive mind with an upgrade at QB to be much better.

I didn't expect to lose to Detroit or the Rams with Shanny on board. And frankly I expected Shanny and the new QB to get 4-5 more wins than the JV coach who was here last year.

Shanny added 30 new players so he owns this. The least talent stuff doen't fly anymore because it isn't true. Maybe along the O-line, but that's it.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

My apologizes to Albert. He's had a tough go since he signed the biggest contract ever for a defensive player. How could I forget how bad his conditions of his employment have been..

To quote Mr. Haynesworth.

"Just because somebody pay you money don't mean they'll make you do whatever they want or whatever. I mean, does that mean everything is for sale?

"I mean, I'm not for sale. Yeah, I signed the contract and got paid a lot of money, but ... that don't mean I'm for sale or a slave or whatever."

Never mind, F Albert and anyone that defends him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Sigh, so when is the other shoe going to fall.

Arrington appears to have the best insights and is uncannily accurate surprisingly without any of Riggo's caustic resentful negative comments.

He sees a head coach who should have taken care of this business before the season. One whose hands were tied. Now, this entire year, this franchise is again spiraling down into that same old mire of smelly peat. And Lavar saw him standing on the sideline in complete and utter apathy as the travesty of the last game unfolded. He was done with the soap opera that is Ashton

And, as Arrington observed, it is taking both Shanahan and his son with iit.

I expect he'll be resigning as head coach of the Redskins at the end of the year. The only reason Haynesworth was likely suspended now was because Shanahan told the owner he would do it this week if that did not happen.

Right now Al Davis Raiders with Tom Cable and Jason Campbell are doing far, far better. This can't be sitting well with an owner who might make money but will never win in the NFL.


Have to assume Mr. Shanahan resigns at

Posted by: periculum | December 7, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the typo: replace Ashburn for Ashton.

Posted by: periculum | December 7, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

haynesworth has the majority of his money already. he will appeal the suspension and more than likely end up with the suspended money. just give it to him now and let this madness slither away. it's not even about principal....the owner gave that up with the terms of the contract in the first place...

haynesworth is no professional athlete. he's a mercenary and he's been paid. does he have skills? probably. was it worth how ever many millions he got, for what he gave in return... hahaha. that's the joke. don't blame shanahan for haynesworth's lack of professionalism.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | December 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe he would have been a gamechangin DL and one of our top 3 or 4 defensive players if he was getting in the game instead of sitting on the bench.

Posted by: Alan4

What color is the sky in your world, Alan?

That is the most naive post I've seen on this board in ages.

I hope Santa brings you all the presents you ask for.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

GAWD I'm soooooo mad.

Now I'm going to summon WALTHU19 to tell us how this "so called white man" Mike ShanaKLAN is just trying to take money away from another black man who has clearly earned it and deserves it.

WALTHU19 the floor is yours. BTW please don't wait for the end of the thread to make your opinion known. We want it now so we can discuss it.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

That is the most naive post I've seen on this board in ages.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2010 8:24 PM

Says the man who still believes in Santa.
Ha.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe he would have been a gamechangin DL and one of our top 3 or 4 defensive players if he was getting in the game instead of sitting on the bench.


Posted by: Alan4

What color is the sky in your world, Alan?

That is the most naive post I've seen on this board in ages.

I hope Santa brings you all the presents you ask for.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2010 8:24 PM

All true Cork...Except that their isn't a Santa Claus and Albert refused to play in the base 3-4 D and therefore defined his role as a situational nickel defensive lineman.

This is the same guy that refused to play in a 3-4 even before he sat down with coaches and learned of his role. Same guy that signed with a team owned by Snyder and coached by Zorn and he didn't expect any coaching turnover or scheme change.

What a fat, rich idiot. The only solace I have is that in 5 years he'll be a fat, broke idiot

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I thought ya'll said you be patient if we gotta GM and a proven coach???

I thought ya'll said you'd rather STINK for a couple of years rather than chase big name free agents???

Maybe I misread the posts on RI for the last 4 years!

Posted by: silkydee1

That ISN'T what the team has done. They have tried to "win now" by bringing in more broken down vets and and trading high picks for a player who will be gone or ineffective by the time the team could turn it around (McNabb).

Look at the stinkin' Patriots!!! They get rid of the disgruntled before it's a crisis, draft well, acquire draft picks, be smart, have great scouts, look for quality people, not just quality athletes.

Look at MOSS. They got him for a song, traded him for a third when he was toast. Their 2nd rounders play,

Or Pittsburgh. They replace linebackers with future all stars time and again. Their 3-4 is brilliant.

Good organizations win. The Redkins aren't one. Aren't even mediocre.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Good organizations win. The Redkins aren't one. Aren't even mediocre.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2010

Those Boston ba$tard$ also stock pile 1st and 2nd round picks like there's no tomorrow.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

jm220
Sorry to hear you lost someone close to you. I've been there too.
And I agree men should treat each other with respect. But I think the first and second diss in this stupid war was fired by AH. He cashed a check and then blew off the entire off-season program during his new coach's first season with the team. Shanahan had to do something or else it's just another year of weak leadership at Redskin's Park. We've seen too much of that over the past decade. Of course the situation got out of control and turned into a typical cluster f. But in Shanahan's defense, I don't think there's a tried and true way to handle a situation where your highest paid player, two years into a huge contract, refuses to even try playing in a new scheme. It's ridiculous. Normally when it comes to battles between management and players I'm 99% of the time on the side of the players. This disputes falls into that 1% area.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The patriots and steelers also don't change the scheme of their top ten defense and deactivate their best defensive player on Sunday either.

the mediocre redskins do.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe he would have been a game changing DL and one of our top 3 or 4 defensive players if he was getting in the game instead of sitting on the bench.

Perhaps for some other defense.

But not the redskins.

Blache's system was too role and scheme specific for freelancing types like AH.

And Haslett seems to be teaching system and not fundatmentals to players who just simply don't fit what he wants to do defensively.

Let's all be thankful that the AH Saga is headed for some kind of closure.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

mack1 So you know what it is like to watch a healthy person go down to next to nothing. To watch person drop down to less than 100 pounds. I fuking hate cancer!

We agree that Al sent the first two diss. That's why I said he wasn't right or handled correctly. Once Shan started disrespecting him as a man he should have given the money back and walked away and Shan should have allowed him to go with a draft pick.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Serious question here,

Did anyone else see Orakpo getting held coming around the end almost every play like I did? What does it take to get that call?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 7, 2010 7:58 PM |

Dude, it's pathetic. How refs can miss such blatant holds repeatedly is beyond me. Incompetence.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

What a fat, rich idiot. The only solace I have is that in 5 years he'll be a fat, broke idiot

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse
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Like many of you.

I'm just glad we have an answer. Not the answer I wanted absent a pick, but time to plan for the future.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

people who are saying get a new coach/gm etc... are thinking like snyder used to. they've had ONE offseason to change players and played 12 games under shanny...

give it time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 7, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if Philipe' Gardant made the comments...

A player in an NFL locker room, a respected veteran player at that- has offered up the truth and you just act like you know better.

How hard is it to sit back and hurl hate based conjecture at everything Shanahan does? That's all you do! This is a guy who has been more successful in his life than you and your entire brood will ever dream of being in yours, and you hate him for it. We get it.

Ah Eff it, why bother....

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

people who are saying get a new coach/gm etc... are thinking like snyder used to. they've had ONE offseason to change players and played 12 games under shanny...

give it time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 7, 2010 9:11 PM

I've seen enough.

You're probably of the same lame crowd who voted for Bush a second time with the excuse: give it time.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I pine for the JC debate.

Almost.

The positive spin: Unless current events are obscuring someone, AH is the last major vestige of the Cerato…Cerrato…Ceratto… era. They're all gone.

Hopefully his departure will truly begin a new era for this franchise.

Except hatred for Dallas, we can keep that.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 7, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Ah Eff it, why bother....

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 9:12 PM

Amen brother. Dude has got to be one of the stupidest people ever to post on this blog...and that's saying something.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

That John Wall dude looks like a fool.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry waitingguilty. I'm a redskin fan not shanafan.

I love the team not the players or the coaches. especially when the coach does everthing in his power to help us lose. I'm sorry you can't see that shanadoosh is not perfect.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, As far as I can tell Fat Albert is not a Redskin anymore...at least for the season. Hopefully that means we can stop talking about his fat, lazy, worthless ass in the next 2 weeks. Had enough of his crap.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Ah Eff it, why bother....

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 9:12 PM

Amen brother. Dude has got to be one of the stupidest people ever to post on this blog...and that's saying something.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:16 PM

...and then there's the guy who imitates him...sheesh.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

give it time


As there aren't any other choices, I guess we'll have to.

I'm even ready to endure back to back 3-13 type finishes with rookies and no namers so that a new core is developed.

Thing is, Team Shanallen came in trying to 'win-now' with used to be good vets.

So F patience.

I want to win now.

Starting with the Bucs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe he would have been a gamechangin DL and one of our top 3 or 4 defensive players if he was getting in the game instead of sitting on the bench.


Posted by: Alan4

What color is the sky in your world, Alan?

That is the most naive post I've seen on this board in ages.

I hope Santa brings you all the presents you ask for.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2010 8:24 PM

Blue, my friend. Our defense is among the worst in the NFL, Cork. Which 4 players do you think would have more impact than him?

I count possibly Orakpo, Fletch, and Landry. Who you got?

And what color is the sky in your world?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

He's not exempt, he deserves a share of the blame for the escalation of the situation for giving Haynesworth too many chances. But the majority of the blame should still be focused on Haynesworth, because if not for him, there's no problem, period.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse


Hey Capt. Obvious, everyone up here pretty much identified AH as a big giant stinky messy problem somewhere in the middle of last season...others even before that. I don't know what you think you are adding to the discussion by belaboring that point.

The question this season is how Shanny/BA were going to deal with it. How our new crack FO team of savvy football people getting paid baeucoup bucks were going to take the reins and turn the ship.

People in Shanny's position getting paid Shanny money are supposed to be able to deal with situations like this as a part of their job. Tom COughlin spent years dealing with PLaxico - he managed to win a Superbowl with him. Bill Belichik had the foresight and wisdom to cut Randy Moss loose early this season and get nice pick back before things melted down. Jeff Fisher has been playing psychiatrist with Vince Young for years, and Fisher has actually gotten the team to win with VY.

I have no sympathy for Shanahan, and I'm not going to play a violin for poor ole Mike who had to inherit Cerrato's mess. If he didn't want the mess, he should have left the $8mill/year on the table and kept working on the tan.

He took a bad situation for the Redskins and made it worse. Period.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

They should still keep Haynesworth on the roster next year and inactivate him every game...

Posted by: siris | December 7, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

They should still keep Haynesworth on the roster next year and inactivate him every game...

Posted by: siris | December 7, 2010 9:49 PM

Just IR him or non related injury list for swollen liver and stomach.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth's professionalism is vague and without merit.

...although I've got to say it was a nice cherry for Speck to add that line about how muhc better the defense is when AH is in.

See, that's one of the big stinkers in the situation for Shanny.

He gets his obedient team-first practice-hard guys in the lineup like Vonnie Holliday and Philip Daniels, and sadly they can't stop a runny nose with a tissue.

Makes it all look real foolish.

Ugh...if only Shanny could get some "winning" into this "winning culture" that he's building.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

pabrian...

Haynesworth is an employee of a team. He was paid what he was owned and the Redskins upheld their part of the deal. If the team feels it's best to go to a 3-4, Haynesworth, as an employee of the team, must comply even though he may not like it.

Bottom line...

Posted by: silkydee1 | December 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

the point is the coaches schemed the best player onto the bench, that isn't creating an opportunity. the job of a coach is to get the best out of the players, no?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

If I'm on the roster, I'm going into the last 4 games like my career is on the line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 7:55 PM

It is, esp. given the unknown fate of the labor deal.

Posted by: dcsween | December 7, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hard to say why there aren't more holding penalties on the OL attempting to block Orakpo...

One play that really stood out was when the Giant's tackle had his arm wrapped around Orakpo's neck -- bent at the elbow -- and was actually dragged towards the QB.

Isn't that holding?

Posted by: siris | December 7, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I think they can put him on the physically unable to perform list. If AH complains, just show the video of him sleeping on the job -- I mean, falling and can't get up. He can make up the salary advertising for the Clapper.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The patriots and steelers also don't change the scheme of their top ten defense and deactivate their best defensive player on Sunday either.

the mediocre redskins do.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

feels good to print the truth, huh bro?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

p1- get back to me when you've figured out what Shanahan should have done with a guy that was given 34 million last year and since he took over the job did the exact opposite of what you'd expect from someone that was GIVEN 34 MILLION.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a lot of extremes here tonight, almost like a political debate left vs. right. However, as usual things are probably in the middle. In my opinion Shanahan and Allen have a long-range plan and they are trying to execute. However, not every decision is going to be right or work out the way you hope. I think their plan was:
Fix salary cap - complete
Improve accountabilty and practice habits - complete
Obtain veteren leadership and consistency at QB - not working yet
Establish new offense scheme - not working due to QB/Oline issue
Transition to 3-4 defense - in progress
Rebuild Off Line - in progress
Overhaul roster - in progress

I seriously doubt Shanahan expected the playoffs this year, however no coach is going to publicly state their goal is anything less than the playoffs.

As for the Haynesworth issue I think it is ego driven but not in the way many think. I think Shanahan's ego made him think he could eventually turn AH into the type of player Shanahan wants him to be. He sees the talent and that is why he did not trade him before the deadline, he was unwilling to give up. But what do I know, opinions are like Aholes, everyone has one.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 7, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

pabrian...

Haynesworth is an employee of a team. He was paid what he was owned and the Redskins upheld their part of the deal. If the team feels it's best to go to a 3-4, Haynesworth, as an employee of the team, must comply even though he may not like it.

Bottom line...

Posted by: silkydee1 | December 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is not an employee. He is a contractor just like every other football player. He offered his service and agreed to do what he does best. The whole situation is like if I am a painter and i agree to paint your house with my equipment for a fee then all of sudden you want me to use your equipments. It like hey we had a deal.

Anyhow, I agree with every word Brain Mitch had to say about the situation.

Posted by: demonj21 | December 7, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.redskins.com/media/2009/12/ap090227026516.jpg

Epic Fail.

Posted by: demonj21- That's a freaking gem....easily the front runner for RI's 2010 worst analogy award.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a lot of extremes here tonight, almost like a political debate left vs. right. However, as usual things are probably in the middle. In my opinion Shanahan and Allen have a long-range plan and they are trying to execute. However, not every decision is going to be right or work out the way you hope. I think their plan was:
Fix salary cap - complete
Improve accountabilty and practice habits - complete
Obtain veteren leadership and consistency at QB - not working yet
Establish new offense scheme - not working due to QB/Oline issue
Transition to 3-4 defense - in progress
Rebuild Off Line - in progress
Overhaul roster - in progress

I seriously doubt Shanahan expected the playoffs this year, however no coach is going to publicly state their goal is anything less than the playoffs.

As for the Haynesworth issue I think it is ego driven but not in the way many think. I think Shanahan's ego made him think he could eventually turn AH into the type of player Shanahan wants him to be. He sees the talent and that is why he did not trade him before the deadline, he was unwilling to give up. But what do I know, opinions are like Aholes, everyone has one.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 7, 2010 10:19 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, I submit to you a genius. This dude really knows whats up. Thank you lifelong for thinking and speaking (typing?) clearly. People take note.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

The "EGO OF SHANNY" will find a way to drag the AH bullsh%$ into next season. Shanny will still try to trade AH and will want at least a 4th round pick. He won't get anything close, so he'll keep AH on the roster and they'll start next season with the same old BS.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 7, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

p1- get back to me when you've figured out what Shanahan should have done with a guy that was given 34 million last year and since he took over the job did the exact opposite of what you'd expect from someone that was GIVEN 34 MILLION.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 10:01 PM

Seems like two arguments here. If it's about the $34 million, then I think you go about it the way it played out, trying to build a case in which some of the $$ are recouped. If it's about commitment to the team, buying into the new program, and performance on the field, then one would think that AH would have been traded or cut a long time ago. Imagine the message sent to the team at that point.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The "EGO OF SHANNY" will find a way to drag the AH bullsh%$ into next season. Shanny will still try to trade AH and will want at least a 4th round pick. He won't get anything close, so he'll keep AH on the roster and they'll start next season with the same old BS.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 7, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Tell you what. If that happens I'll agree with the very vocal 10% minority that is being critical of Shanahan.

Until that time, I'm going with lifelongfan's theory.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Good post, lifelongfan. I believe you've got it.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Fix salary cap - complete
actually, McNabb makes it trickier, since he's $15mil/yr, but yeah, dumping a bunch in a non-capped year, no brainer.

Improve accountability and practice habits - complete
not so sure -- we've had 3 major game meltdowns so far. Is that really accountability?

Obtain veteran leadership and consistency at QB - not working yet
true


Establish new offense scheme - not working due to QB/Oline issue
its not working, and its not clear if the scheme will play in the NFC East


Transition to 3-4 defense - in progress
sure, but the current rev is a disaster

Rebuild Off Line - in progress
I'll buy this one

Overhaul roster - in progress
I think they've actually gone backwards on this one. At least in terms of making improvements at a decent rate.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

As for the Haynesworth issue I think it is ego driven but not in the way many think. I think Shanahan's ego made him think he could eventually turn AH into the type of player Shanahan wants him to be. He sees the talent and that is why he did not trade him before the deadline, he was unwilling to give up. But what do I know, opinions are like Aholes, everyone has one.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 7, 2010 10:19 PM

So in other words, Shanny's ego made him misaddress the Haynesworth situation to the point now where the team will get very little in return, if anything, for a player they team had invested heavily.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- The money that AH has already been given is gone. The Skins going after 800k of 36 mil is laughable...AH probably spends that in a week. They could have cut him, but by deactivating him for the final 4 games they can now either trade him or cut him in the offseason. He's "played" his last game (thankfully) in the BnG.

Shanahan was 1 for 2 with his gambling on inherited players. He succeeded with Portis but CP's body gave out and he rolled the dice on a low risk (4th-6th RD pick at the deadline) but high reward (all pro DE/NT) with Haynesworth. This is on Haynesworth but is ultimately on Snyder and Vinny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

So in other words, Shanny's ego made him misaddress the Haynesworth situation to the point now where the team will get very little in return, if anything, for a player they team had invested heavily.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

But nobody was willing to give more than a rumored 4th rd pick for Haynesworth last spring before the draft. At least as I remember it...did I miss something?

Wasn't that before most of this showdown with Shanahan?

As I remember it, Shanahan offered to let him hit the market if he wanted. The biggest mistake the coach made was trusting the player when he said he'd take the bonus and be on board, plain and simple

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Sigh, so when is the other shoe going to fall.

Arrington appears to have the best insights and is uncannily accurate surprisingly without any of Riggo's caustic resentful negative comments.

He sees a head coach who should have taken care of this business before the season. One whose hands were tied. Now, this entire year, this franchise is again spiraling down into that same old mire of smelly peat. And Lavar saw him standing on the sideline in complete and utter apathy as the travesty of the last game unfolded. He was done with the soap opera that is Ashton

And, as Arrington observed, it is taking both Shanahan and his son with iit.

I expect he'll be resigning as head coach of the Redskins at the end of the year. The only reason Haynesworth was likely suspended now was because Shanahan told the owner he would do it this week if that did not happen.

Right now Al Davis Raiders with Tom Cable and Jason Campbell are doing far, far better. This can't be sitting well with an owner who might make money but will never win in the NFL.


Have to assume Mr. Shanahan resigns at

Posted by: periculum

I buy a part of this. Shanny looks befuddled on the sidelines -- not somethig I ever recall in Denver -- and not for the first time.

I did suggest in last week's ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES that Shanahan replace himself as HC and go full time into mgmt. Not that Shanny has done well, but I don't buy that he can do all the jobs he's trying to do. I offered up Harbaugh as a potential replacement, though I could see guys like Rob Ryan (DC in Cle) or Frazier the interim guy in Minny as well.

While its unlikely, it wouldn't totally shock me if Shanahan returned to Denver. They do have an opening ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

But nobody was willing to give more than a rumored 4th rd pick for Haynesworth last spring before the draft. At least as I remember it...did I miss something?

Wasn't that before most of this showdown with Shanahan?

As I remember it, Shanahan offered to let him hit the market if he wanted. The biggest mistake the coach made was trusting the player when he said he'd take the bonus and be on board, plain and simple

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 11:01 PM

The Skins held fats for a 2nd round pick. Hmmmm seems like a little room for bargaining between a #2 and #4. Ultimately this situation is on Haynesworth, but Shanny's or Bruce Allen's handling of the situation robbed the team of at least a 4th round pick, endless hours of time dealing with this player, and for what? 14 snaps per game?

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

What lifelongfan said. Great post.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 7, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Overhaul roster - in progress
I think they've actually gone backwards on this one. At least in terms of making improvements at a decent rate.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Probably did a little but they had limited tools last year. The draft board was already somewhat empty (no 3rd or 6th) and use of the 2 on McNabb was a calculated risk. In addition since most of the FAs last year were restricted, the opportunity to pick up some young quality FAs was extremely limited. That is why they ended up just picking up some servicable backup type players (Hicks, Carriker, Holliday, etc) and taking a chance on a probowl caliber tackle coming off of injury (Brown). With the salary cap improved and hopefully the restrant to stay away from aging high price FAs they may be able to pick up some solid starters next year. In addition you would hope the 1 and 2 (or trade down) would provide starters.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 7, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Probably did a little but they had limited tools last year. The draft board was already somewhat empty (no 3rd or 6th) and use of the 2 on McNabb was a calculated risk. In addition since most of the FAs last year were restricted, the opportunity to pick up some young quality FAs was extremely limited. That is why they ended up just picking up some servicable backup type players (Hicks, Carriker, Holliday, etc) and taking a chance on a probowl caliber tackle coming off of injury (Brown). With the salary cap improved and hopefully the restrant to stay away from aging high price FAs they may be able to pick up some solid starters next year. In addition you would hope the 1 and 2 (or trade down) would provide starters.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 7, 2010 11:15 PM |

Whhooooaaaaa! Don't let logic cloud your judgement here. Anyone who had half a brain said the same thing at the time. We had all these people wanting to break the bank for guys like Dansby but we simply didn't have a bank to break if we believed the salary cap was coming back anytime soon. We had to hope we could fill some holes (a lot of holes) with low priced FA's.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I think that shanny and allen honestly thought they could win with this team! Hopefully they decide to scrap the win now thought cause it aint gonna happen and make a new rebuild plan lasting 2 years expecting to be the surprise tops of the NFL IN 2013!!! Keep the 3-4 and slowly trasition into a great 3-4 defense hopefully tougher, meaner, and better than the steelers and ravens put together! I don't think haslet is the right coach for this d tho! I hope we cAN land Dick Lebeau and DC AND Mike Singletary as asst. DC I think they would get some of the scrubs on d playing hard but we have lots of holes! FA we need to go after young big Names AND NOT BE CHEAP LIKE LAST YEAR BC IT DOESN't MATTER WITH THE CAP PROLLY NOT COMING BACK AND IF IT DOES IT WILL BE THE HIGHEST EVER! These ARE NOT THE TIME TO BE FRUGAL WHEN THE OWNER HAS THE DOUGH BC IT WON't AFFECT US!! We need al least 2 or 3 of the TOP FA's on the Oline and 2 lower young names! ON D GET A GOOD STARTING NOSE TACKLE AND A DE AND OLB, AND 2 CB THAT CAN PLAY NICKEL AND A FS For gods sake! L. WOODLEY, BOB SANDERS, SHAUN RODGERS, CHAMP BAILEY they would be great in OUR 3-4 D!! For the Draft trade to move up where the TRUE TALENT IS, and TRADE AWAY WASHED UP OR OUR NON EXISTENT STARS TO ANYTHING AND TO MOVE UP IN THE 1st, ie McNabb, Portis, f Davis, Fat al, a Carter, franchise rocky and trade him for what ever! IN The Draft the Skins Should TRADE UP TO DRAFT THE BEST QB SINCE P MANNING STANFORD QB ANDREW LUCK!!! This kid was born in DC AND WILL BECOME A STAR IN THIS O SYSTEM HE IS PERFECT FOR IT! When the Best QB Prospect in 15years comes around you TRADE UP AND GRAB HIM!! The other QB's mallet, locker wouldn't really be perfect for our system Like Luck IS!! Newton is gonna be a 2nd rd pick , he is jason campbell 2.0 without the arm and good legs he will be a bust in the NFL bc he is a spread QB like Colt Brennen lol! Trade up to Draft Luck AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!! OUR FUTURE WILL BE GREAT !! Draft WR in 2nd and go OLINE THE REST OF THE DRAFT!! Pick up Randy Moss and or S Holmes or Brad Smith and build up the Young WR's!!! Keep Torain and sign D Willaims at RB maybe pick up brown or Are ricky Willams! If we draft a QB and rebuild around him for 2 years WE WILL HAVE A YOUNG VERY GOOD TEAM!! Oline woukd be nice to have before a young qb but it makes sense to Draft a Great QB and build around him bc when he becomes a STAR 1to 2 years after Drafted you will have picked up the right oline for him to succeed!! HTTR!! Just my off the wall crazy thoughts on this team that needs to rebuild THRough FA AND THE DRAFT NOT JUST TAKE SHOT S ON ONE OR THE OTHER BUT MCNABB ISN't THE ANSEWER THRough A REBUILD AND IF a GREAT QB IS THERE IN THE DRAFT BETTER GET THE BEST ONE IN TALENT AND FOR THE SYSTEM AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 7, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I think that shanny and allen honestly thought they could win with this team! Hopefully they decide to scrap the win now thought cause it aint gonna happen and make a new rebuild plan lasting 2 years expecting to be the surprise tops of the NFL IN 2013!!! Keep the 3-4 and slowly trasition into a great 3-4 defense hopefully tougher, meaner, and better than the steelers and ravens put together! I don't think haslet is the right coach for this d tho! I hope we cAN land Dick Lebeau and DC AND Mike Singletary as asst. DC I think they would get some of the scrubs on d playing hard but we have lots of holes! FA we need to go after young big Names AND NOT BE CHEAP LIKE LAST YEAR BC IT DOESN't MATTER WITH THE CAP PROLLY NOT COMING BACK AND IF IT DOES IT WILL BE THE HIGHEST EVER! These ARE NOT THE TIME TO BE FRUGAL WHEN THE OWNER HAS THE DOUGH BC IT WON't AFFECT US!! We need al least 2 or 3 of the TOP FA's on the Oline and 2 lower young names! ON D GET A GOOD STARTING NOSE TACKLE AND A DE AND OLB, AND 2 CB THAT CAN PLAY NICKEL AND A FS For gods sake! L. WOODLEY, BOB SANDERS, SHAUN RODGERS, CHAMP BAILEY they would be great in OUR 3-4 D!! For the Draft trade to move up where the TRUE TALENT IS, and TRADE AWAY WASHED UP OR OUR NON EXISTENT STARS TO ANYTHING AND TO MOVE UP IN THE 1st, ie McNabb, Portis, f Davis, Fat al, a Carter, franchise rocky and trade him for what ever! IN The Draft the Skins Should TRADE UP TO DRAFT THE BEST QB SINCE P MANNING STANFORD QB ANDREW LUCK!!! This kid was born in DC AND WILL BECOME A STAR IN THIS O SYSTEM HE IS PERFECT FOR IT! When the Best QB Prospect in 15years comes around you TRADE UP AND GRAB HIM!! The other QB's mallet, locker wouldn't really be perfect for our system Like Luck IS!! Newton is gonna be a 2nd rd pick , he is jason campbell 2.0 without the arm and good legs he will be a bust in the NFL bc he is a spread QB like Colt Brennen lol! Trade up to Draft Luck AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!! OUR FUTURE WILL BE GREAT !! Draft WR in 2nd and go OLINE THE REST OF THE DRAFT!! Pick up Randy Moss and or S Holmes or Brad Smith and build up the Young WR's!!! Keep Torain and sign D Willaims at RB maybe pick up brown or Are ricky Willams! If we draft a QB and rebuild around him for 2 years WE WILL HAVE A YOUNG VERY GOOD TEAM!! Oline woukd be nice to have before a young qb but it makes sense to Draft a Great QB and build around him bc when he becomes a STAR 1to 2 years after Drafted you will have picked up the right oline for him to succeed!! HTTR!! Just my off the wall crazy thoughts on this team that needs to rebuild THRough FA AND THE DRAFT NOT JUST TAKE SHOT S ON ONE OR THE OTHER BUT MCNABB ISN't THE ANSWER THRough A REBUILD AND IF a GREAT QB IS THERE IN THE DRAFT BETTER GET THE BEST ONE IN TALENT AND FOR THE SYSTEM AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 7, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I think that shanny and allen honestly thought they could win with this team! Hopefully they decide to scrap the win now thought cause it aint gonna happen and make a new rebuild plan lasting 2 years expecting to be the surprise tops of the NFL IN 2013!!! Keep the 3-4 and slowly trasition into a great 3-4 defense hopefully tougher, meaner, and better than the steelers and ravens put together! I don't think haslet is the right coach for this d tho! I hope we cAN land Dick Lebeau and DC AND Mike Singletary as asst. DC I think they would get some of the scrubs on d playing hard but we have lots of holes! FA we need to go after young big Names AND NOT BE CHEAP LIKE LAST YEAR BC IT DOESN't MATTER WITH THE CAP PROLLY NOT COMING BACK AND IF IT DOES IT WILL BE THE HIGHEST EVER! These ARE NOT THE TIME TO BE FRUGAL WHEN THE OWNER HAS THE DOUGH BC IT WON't AFFECT US!! We need al least 2 or 3 of the TOP FA's on the Oline and 2 lower young names! ON D GET A GOOD STARTING NOSE TACKLE AND A DE AND OLB, AND 2 CB THAT CAN PLAY NICKEL AND A FS For gods sake! L. WOODLEY, BOB SANDERS, SHAUN RODGERS, CHAMP BAILEY they would be great in OUR 3-4 D!! For the Draft trade to move up where the TRUE TALENT IS, and TRADE AWAY WASHED UP OR OUR NON EXISTENT STARS TO ANYTHING AND TO MOVE UP IN THE 1st, ie McNabb, Portis, f Davis, Fat al, a Carter, franchise rocky and trade him for what ever! IN The Draft the Skins Should TRADE UP TO DRAFT THE BEST QB SINCE P MANNING STANFORD QB ANDREW LUCK!!! This kid was born in DC AND WILL BECOME A STAR IN THIS O SYSTEM HE IS PERFECT FOR IT! When the Best QB Prospect in 15years comes around you TRADE UP AND GRAB HIM!! The other QB's mallet, locker wouldn't really be perfect for our system Like Luck IS!! Newton is gonna be a 2nd rd pick , he is jason campbell 2.0 without the arm and good legs he will be a bust in the NFL bc he is a spread QB like Colt Brennen lol! Trade up to Draft Luck AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!! OUR FUTURE WILL BE GREAT !! Draft WR in 2nd and go OLINE THE REST OF THE DRAFT!! Pick up Randy Moss and or S Holmes or Brad Smith and build up the Young WR's!!! Keep Torain and sign D Willaims at RB maybe pick up brown or Are ricky Willams! If we draft a QB and rebuild around him for 2 years WE WILL HAVE A YOUNG VERY GOOD TEAM!! Oline woukd be nice to have before a young qb but it makes sense to Draft a Great QB and build around him bc when he becomes a STAR 1to 2 years after Drafted you will have picked up the right oline for him to succeed!! HTTR!! Just my off the wall crazy thoughts on this team that needs to rebuild THRough FA AND THE DRAFT NOT JUST TAKE SHOT S ON ONE OR THE OTHER BUT MCNABB ISN't THE ANSWER THRough A REBUILD AND IF a GREAT QB IS THERE IN THE DRAFT BETTER GET THE BEST ONE IN TALENT AND FOR THE SYSTEM AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 7, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

TWISI...

I submit to you that had we traded him for a 4th or even a 3rd the same vocal minority would have demanded Allen and Shanahan resign on the spot.

Of course it looks like Shanahan has erred here, and he has, but the motive was to get the player to play and buy in. The motive was to make the team better.

There are players who can demand a scheme be built around them. Haynesworth is not one of those players. He never wanted it bad enough, never bought in, never sacrificed.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I think that shanny and allen honestly thought they could win with this team! Hopefully they decide to scrap the win now thought cause it aint gonna happen and make a new rebuild plan lasting 2 years expecting to be the surprise tops of the NFL IN 2013!!! Keep the 3-4 and slowly trasition into a great 3-4 defense hopefully tougher, meaner, and better than the steelers and ravens put together! I don't think haslet is the right coach for this d tho! I hope we cAN land Dick Lebeau and DC AND Mike Singletary as asst. DC I think they would get some of the scrubs on d playing hard but we have lots of holes! FA we need to go after young big Names AND NOT BE CHEAP LIKE LAST YEAR BC IT DOESN't MATTER WITH THE CAP PROLLY NOT COMING BACK AND IF IT DOES IT WILL BE THE HIGHEST EVER! These ARE NOT THE TIME TO BE FRUGAL WHEN THE OWNER HAS THE DOUGH BC IT WON't AFFECT US!! We need al least 2 or 3 of the TOP FA's on the Oline and 2 lower young names! ON D GET A GOOD STARTING NOSE TACKLE AND A DE AND OLB, AND 2 CB THAT CAN PLAY NICKEL AND A FS For gods sake! L. WOODLEY, BOB SANDERS, SHAUN RODGERS, CHAMP BAILEY they would be great in OUR 3-4 D!! For the Draft trade to move up where the TRUE TALENT IS, and TRADE AWAY WASHED UP OR OUR NON EXISTENT STARS TO ANYTHING AND TO MOVE UP IN THE 1st, ie McNabb, Portis, f Davis, Fat al, a Carter, franchise rocky and trade him for what ever! IN The Draft the Skins Should TRADE UP TO DRAFT THE BEST QB SINCE P MANNING STANFORD QB ANDREW LUCK!!! This kid was born in DC AND WILL BECOME A STAR IN THIS O SYSTEM HE IS PERFECT FOR IT! When the Best QB Prospect in 15years comes around you TRADE UP AND GRAB HIM!! The other QB's mallet, locker wouldn't really be perfect for our system Like Luck IS!! Newton is gonna be a 2nd rd pick , he is jason campbell 2.0 without the arm and good legs he will be a bust in the NFL bc he is a spread QB like Colt Brennen lol! Trade up to Draft Luck AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!! OUR FUTURE WILL BE GREAT !! Draft WR in 2nd and go OLINE THE REST OF THE DRAFT!! Pick up Randy Moss and or S Holmes or Brad Smith and build up the Young WR's!!! Keep Torain and sign D Willaims at RB maybe pick up brown or ricky Willams! If we draft a QB and rebuild around him for 2 years WE WILL HAVE A YOUNG VERY GOOD TEAM!! Oline woukd be nice to have before a young qb but it makes sense to Draft a Great QB and build around him bc when he becomes a STAR 1to 2 years after Drafted you will have picked up the right oline for him to succeed!! HTTR!! Just my off the wall crazy thoughts on this team that needs to rebuild THRough FA AND THE DRAFT NOT JUST TAKE SHOT S ON ONE OR THE OTHER BUT MCNABB ISN't THE ANSWER THRough A REBUILD AND IF a GREAT QB IS THERE IN THE DRAFT BETTER GET THE BEST ONE IN TALENT AND FOR THE SYSTEM AND BUILD AROUND HIM!!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 7, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Boy it's posts like that that make me glad I can just scroll on by...and glad I did.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

scamp- that was a lot of scrolling but well worth it. I'm not going to lie, I didn't read ONE word of it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

damn sprint!!! Sorry bout the same post 4 times!! Lol my bad!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 7, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

scamp- that was a lot of scrolling but well worth it. I'm not going to lie, I didn't read ONE word of it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 11:32 PM |

Why would you. That guys posts are a shining example of what went wrong with our educational system.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if we're lucky, Haynesworthless will disappear and take Snyder along with him to keep refilling his piggy bank. With the two of them gone, someone that knows what good football is all about,(remember when we were good?..when Snyder was still a little kid?), will actually return our team to greatness. Hey I can still dream can't I???

Posted by: xskinfan | December 7, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

oh yes i am dvm schooled lol product of Clinton-Gore system but ANY ONE THAT THINKS DT WAS A BAD CUT IS A RETARD COMPARED TO ME lol c'mon a 2nd rd draft pick that HAD 1 GOOD ST game lmao! DT IS WORTH THE PIECE OF TP ON FAT AL's SHOE! LOL LAVAR HAD A BETTER 1ST GAME AGAINST US!!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | December 7, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

damn sprint!!! Sorry bout the same post 4 times!! Lol my bad!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 7, 2010 11:35 PM

Please mix in some paragraphs and cut what you're saying in half. It's like seeing a Zeke's unique perspective that's not worth reading.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least that one was short. Let me give you a little hint WK. Stop using caps, they annoy people, and punctuation is your friend. If you make your posts difficult to read then people won't bother. Might as well be talking to yourself. As for DT...good riddance.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth's claims 'are vague and without merit' too.

Posted by: TBADOW | December 7, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

sorry just venting over shanny and bruce and danny playing the fans as fools this year in stead of trying to rebuild 2-3years around a qb that wouldnt puke in the super bowl! fat al is a pos but he made danny look like a fool 5 more fa signings like him and the Skins wouldnt profit danny boy anymore, but at least we are not in danger of being moved like TB,SD,BUF, Jacksonville, NC and many many more despite almost 20 years of being a joke

Posted by: warriorking1112 | December 7, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth's claims 'are vague and without merit' too.

Posted by: TBADOW | December 7, 2010 11:50 PM |

As was his play and effort.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

ok thanks good buddy

Posted by: warriorking1112 | December 7, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

So, Pabrian

Is there ever a good time to change a team's system, or should teams be locked into the same system for the for the entire future of the franchise? If there is a right time to change the system, then when is it? Should you change the personell first, and then change the system later? Or do you think it's possible to change ALL of the personell to fit a new system in the same year that new system is being implimented?

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 7, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

So, Pabrian

Is there ever a good time to change a team's system, or should teams be locked into the same system for the for the entire future of the franchise? If there is a right time to change the system, then when is it? Should you change the personell first, and then change the system later? Or do you think it's possible to change ALL of the personell to fit a new system in the same year that new system is being implimented?


Posted by: kaasmaster | December 7, 2010 11:59 PM | R

You do realize that you are attempting to introduce logic to a brain dead slothlike creature don't you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

kass- please don't feed the animals of RI. I've been guilty myself but not once has he ever been engaged in a conversation. He will however return tomorrow with the same maddening nonsense and you'll yet again have to resist the urge to respond. And if you resort to insults....let me tell you, he is literally too stupid to insult.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 8, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

You do realize that you are attempting to introduce logic to a brain dead slothlike creature don't you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 12:05 AM

Of course I do, but I'm curious to see what kind of hair-brained answer he comes up with.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Good night peeps. Apparently scamp and I will now be confused as sock puppets by beep-beep for too many similar posts.

scamp continue as you may.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 8, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Good night peeps. Apparently scamp and I will now be confused as sock puppets by beep-beep for too many similar posts.

scamp continue as you may.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 8, 2010 12:18 AM |

LO-phuking-L!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

The thing that, to me, is the single funniest thing about the current situation is that Albert actually went to Bruce Allen and told him he wasn't talkingto Shanahan anymore. I thought he said he was a man. Sounds more like a little girl to me. LMFAO!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Man, what a drag it is being a Skins fan sometimes. Okay, most of the time.

To think we were 4-3 at one point, with wins over the Eagles, Bears and Packers -- all of whom could be in the playoffs this season -- and, oh yeah, a win over the Cowboys.

It sure would feel good for this team to do some winning so we can go into the offseason with our chins up a little higher.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2010 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2010 4:18 AM | Report abuse

Photo of Haynesworth out Thursday night:

http://deadspin.com/5708279/albert-haynesworth-was-barhopping-thursday-late-for-practice-friday-suspended-for-rest-of-season-today

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2010 4:18 AM

The only way I would have been surprised by this is if he were there with Rod Gardner...

How someone could defend this guy is totally unfathomable..."elite" players aren't hanging out in bars ripped to the tits at 1:30 on a Thursday morning, mere hours before an important Friday practice.

Good riddance. I'd rather have 3 Golstons if it means no AHs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance. I'd rather have 3 Golstons if it means no AHs...

Posted by: brownwood26


Indeed! "Team" guys are more than welcome in my book. The needs on this team are abundant, draft picks scarce, and some of the Fan base are delusional thinking/hoping for a quick fix. Besides that, the Skins are great.

Still baffled by the lack of holding calls for Orakpo? The NFL is too political it seems and bias towards the O.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 8, 2010 5:48 AM | Report abuse

..."elite" players aren't hanging out in bars ripped to the tits at 1:30 on a Thursday morning,

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 5:37 AM

But, Brownwood, he said he was ready to play on Sunday. Why can't you see this is Shanahan's fault for not playing him?

And if he was in the bar at closing time, it's now like he went straight home and went to sleep @ 2:15. If he had two or three "very petite young things" with him, he still had some further activities to attend to. So, how much sleep could he have gotten before practice? Can't the Redskins cut him some slack if he scored a hat trick? Sheesh, the Caps love it when Ovechkin scores a hat trick.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

Another corny ESPN thing...but it is nice to see our '91 team well represented:

http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/promotions/nfl/superleague/

If you go back and look, we beat teams like the '72 Dolphins, the '85 Bears, and the '04 Pats. Pitiful that I'm so pleased by this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

No autopost at exactly 6:00? Reid is slippin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

Reid is slippin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 6:16 AM

This is news? Okay, relative to what Reid usually posts it's comparable to Wikileaks.

But, you're not up to your usual standards of fetching us some analysis from the Examiner. Now I gotta go read it over there myself.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

That superleague thing is kinda cool. The 91 Skins were pretty formidable. I was 12 years old and remember how great it felt to have a winning team. Kinda sucks that I've never been able to experience winning football as an adult. Thanks a lot Snyder.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 8, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Beep, it's all garden variety AH stuff at this point...nothing like a high profile suspension to put a stop to the Studs and Duds column...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

The 91 Skins were pretty formidable. I was 12 years old and remember how great it felt to have a winning team. Kinda sucks that I've never been able to experience winning football as an adult. Thanks a lot Snyder.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 8, 2010 6:34 AM

Yeah, I was about the same age when that team won it all and I was just moving to the area...so I didn't really get into the Skins until the year Richie Petibon was the coach (ugh). So I literally missed ALL the good times in Redskins history (at least firsthand).

Sucks to be me.

But looking back at that team from an historical context, it's certainly one of the most underrated teams of all-time. When NFLN was doing the "America's Game" series, I thought it was a joke putting that '91 Skins team as only #14 all-time. A team that dominant should be in the top 10 easily...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Kinda sucks that I've never been able to experience winning football as an adult.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 8, 2010 6:34 AM |

So negative. Every cloud has a silver lining. We've been able to see some of the greatest stars of this generation: Albert Haynesworth, Jeff George, Mark Carrier, Bruce Smith, Jason Taylor. Maybe these are the crumbs that fall on the floor, but it's better than eating the dust from under the table.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

people who are saying get a new coach/gm etc... are thinking like snyder used to. they've had ONE offseason to change players and played 12 games under shanny...

give it time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 7, 2010 9:11 PM

I've seen enough.

You're probably of the same lame crowd who voted for Bush a second time with the excuse: give it time.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | December 7, 2010 9:14 PM
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uh...nope... that 2004 election was the most disappointing of my adult life.

by 2004 it had become clear there were no WMDs and that bush et. al. had MADE UP all the sadaam/bin-laden ties, all that "yellow-cake" crap, all that "vats of chemical weapons" baloney, and entirely "taken his eye off the (afghanistan) ball" by going to iraq, and we RE-ELECTED him... ugh.... how stupid are "we".

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 8, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

But looking back at that team from an historical context, it's certainly one of the most underrated teams of all-time. When NFLN was doing the "America's Game" series, I thought it was a joke putting that '91 Skins team as only #14 all-time. A team that dominant should be in the top 10 easily...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 6:59 AM
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i didn't see that. where'd they put the 83 team? THAT was our best team ever... sadly they totally laid an egg vs. the f-in' raiders in the superbowl...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 8, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Walter, that was a few years ago but I'm sure a Google search would be able to get the full list and rankings. But they were only ranking SB WINNERS so I'm sure the '83 team didn't make the cut. They did "the Missing Rings" series for some of those great teams that didn't win SBs, but that's been dominated by the Bills and Vikings for the most part...no need in adding a team like the '83 Skins that just won a SB the year before their epic collapse.

Oh, and keep politics off the blog, dude. You just open up a can of worms and dodo birds come from far and wide when you do that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I want to win now....Starting with the Bucs


Nothing like a lil self-posting.

I'm done and over with chattin' about #92 (whoever that is).

The Tampa Bucs are comin' to town, and they ain't the same edition that we played in a playoff game oh so long ago.

(Memba that game?: LaVar had that big interception for a touchdown? The disputed Alsott touchdown? Ladell had that stellar kick return for touchdown?)

These Bucs are young and comin' off a tough hard-fought loss.

The Bucs future is not now as Atlanta is ruling the NFC South for now.

Our redskins are coming off a public beatdown and league-wide giggling over the affair related to HIM who shall not be named.

It'll be a young warm weather team coming to play a sligthly pissed veteren one in cold weather.

Can we beat the Bucs?: Yeah, their good record is based on a lot of victories against a soft schedule.

And for now, we are the softness in the schedule that should harden just enough for a trap game win.

So, let the prediction begin:

Redskins 24

Bucs 17

We see a redskin team that responds positively to the events of this week.

We'll get a great win in an empty stadium.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I understand Fag-a-han cutting ties with Fat Al, we got Kemo we good lol .. But I don't get them not realizing that the same O-line that played n Tenn needs to start ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 8, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Moe, predicting the Redskins to score anything north of 17 points isn't just bold, it's borderline delusional...

We win games where we keep the score down. Our only hope this week is to keep the score around 13-10 and cross our fingers that Freeman doesn't work anymore of his Roethlisberger-esque magic in the 4th quarter.

I mean the on-field magic. Not the off-field "rock out with my cock out" magic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I praise Shanahan for doing what a coach is supposed to do. For years all you whiners and media types talked about how the inmates ran the assylum in Washington, players running back and forth between the coaches and Dan Snyder, but when we do get a coach who expects accountability and effort from his players shows up, then its the coaches fault. If Albert didn't want to play in this system, then he could left a long time ago. If he tells Shanahan that he intends to do whatever it takes to play in this defense, then thats all Shanahan has to go on. Now after taking his money, Albert decides, well now I'm going to do what I want to do when I want to do it. Forget Albert, happy trails, and praise to a great coach who expects more out of his players. This is this teams first year with Shanahan, so to all u clowns expecting a playoff run and Super Bowl, and there are many out there who did, get real. 1st year in a system isn't going to do it, so give it some time, because Shanahan is going to build this team the way he wants it, and with his players, not with somebody else's that were handed down to him. Give the man more than a year and we will start winning again.

Posted by: skynz71 | December 8, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

The Bucs have a nice young core for those of you hooked on the notion that used to be veterens are what we need:

Josh Freeman

Arrelious Benn

LeGarrette Blount

Mike Williams

Cadillac Williams

Aqib Talib (injured)


These guys--and their very young offensive line--are worth watching.

The bucs are in the middle of the kind of re-building the folks in Redskin Park eschew, the kind where a franchise realizes that it is not just 'one big money veteran FA player away,' and devotes itself to youth and using draft picks and FA wisely.

Hopefully, this kind of thinking will take over in D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Give the man more than a year and we will start winning again.

Posted by: skynz71 | December 8, 2010 8:07 AM


Right...I still contend that the Skins would be light years better right now if we kept Marty. Might have finally broke through in the playoffs, maybe even handed the keys to his son Brian and set us up nicely for years to come. Gotta admit that looks like a better line of succession than the one we have in place right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Moe, predicting the Redskins to score anything north of 17 points isn't just bold, it's borderline delusional...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

PlayAction, sounds like we need to change our 24-20 prediction every week.

Maybe I'll just go for 10-7 this week.

Posted by: monk811 | December 8, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I like what the Bucs are doing too...but you sure are riding that bandwagon hard, dude. I mean, I'd only be mildly surprised if you're wearing a Bucs hat right now and have another tab open on your computer ordering one of those flags for you car from the Bucs team store...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse


"I like Al, and a lot of guys like Al, but Coach Shanahan runs this now," cornerback Carlos Rogers said.

"It's not the way it used to be around here, and that's just the way it is."
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looks like CR got the message

Posted by: hessone | December 8, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Well, well, well. Another day of drama off the field for our beloved, once-proud franchise.

Shanahan rolled the dice on Albert and lost. Shanny hasn't had a very good year here.

Perhaps the tide will turn. Perhaps he'll learn from his mistakes. I have to admit I've grown skeptical though.

When you're older, it's hard to change stripes.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

skynz71

Give the man more than a year and we will start winning again.

It's never too soon to preach patience.

The upcoming offseason needs an approach very much unlike what we've seen around these parts in some time.

The team has serious long-ignored issues:

---we need a draft where offensive and defensive line needs are addressed

--we need some clever manuvuering that will render more mid round type picks for those linemen

---a realistic assessment of John Beck viability as a future starter should be undertaken as if he is just a career back up type, a quarterback of the future should be taken this Spring

---the team has to find players who can make dynamic plays out on the edges of the offense

---which back do we see a future in: Torain? Davis? or Williams? or Portis?

--just what is the issue with the defense, is it the scheme, lack of fundamentals, or the players themselves


You could add other items to this listing, but I think the point has been made.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I live south of boston, driving to work today, the local talk radio is not talking about the first place Patriots, not talking about the first place Celtics, not talking about the Sox getting AGon for a song, however what they are talking about is what a unmitigated disaster the Washington Redskins are.......oh well I guess...does anyone feel like we've been through this countless times...

moe, you said the skins will score over 20 points....apparently this cold snap down in Florida is making you drink earlier than usual....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 8, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The upcoming offseason needs an approach very much unlike what we've seen around these parts in some time.

The team has serious long-ignored issues:

---we need a draft where offensive and defensive line needs are addressed

--we need some clever manuvuering that will render more mid round type picks for those linemen
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This is precisely why I am skeptical I don't know that Shanny is the sort of stockpile-draft picks, trade-down clever sort. But maybe he is. Does he have the heart for a strip-it-all-down we goofed and start over? Has he ever faced a personnel challenge like this before?

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 8, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Right...I still contend that the Skins would be light years better right now if we kept Marty. Might have finally broke through in the playoffs, maybe even handed the keys to his son Brian and set us up nicely for years to come.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse
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He fired Vinny. Preserving that progress would have saved us a pant load of grief.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 8, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

beantown

you said the skins will score over 20 points....apparently this cold snap down in Florida is making you drink earlier than usual..


The bucs' defense is very much like the one we faced in Tenn.

We should be able to get some points and move the ball on them.

What I fear is L Blount: mixing and matching Blount and Williams in a running game like what the jints did with Jacobs/Ward will kill our D.

And J Freeman is the real deal for those of you who think you quarterbacks can't succeed.

But I think we can beat the bucs in a close game.

Graham Gano better be ready--again!


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

pepper5

Does he have the heart for a strip-it-all-down we goofed and start over? Has he ever faced a personnel challenge like this before?


So far, he's canned a 2nd round pick, suspended a lazy fat bastard without pay, sat two starting offensive linemen, IR'd an underachieving wr, and set the tone that says, "Hey, I'm got this."

And if he can do those things, he'll tear down and rebuild around those guys who've prospered this season.

The re-building is going on right in front of us: we just don't see it as all we want is a W every Sunday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey, it worked for John McCain:

"You never told me you wanted me to bring your airplanes back."

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 8, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

---a realistic assessment of John Beck viability as a future starter should be undertaken as if he is just a career back up type, a quarterback of the future should be taken this Spring

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 8:35 AM


Beck is 29. If he's not starting now, he's not gonna.

And drafting a QB atop the 2011 draft does the exact same thing Vinny did...change the plan on the fly and hope the fans don't notice. The Redskins have a plan in place...right or wrong, I'm interested in seeing them stick to a particular course for longer than a season or two.

There's the "wrecking ball and start from scratch" approach that Tampa has chosen (and that you make abundantly clear you love) and the "reload/rebuild" that the Saints did a few years ago. The Redskins appear to have chosen the latter.

And considering the Saints have a ring to show for it, I don't think their approach is wrong.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Why couldnt he have suspended Casey Rabach???

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Well, well, well. Another day of drama off the field for our beloved, once-proud franchise.

Shanahan rolled the dice on Albert and lost. Shanny hasn't had a very good year here.

Perhaps the tide will turn. Perhaps he'll learn from his mistakes. I have to admit I've grown skeptical though.

When you're older, it's hard to change stripes.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Shanny inherited Haynesworth, and did the best he could with a sh*tty situation. Remember, Gibbs 2.0 had to deal with Spurrier's leftovers, give the man a chance. If Snyder is actually patient and gives Shanny/Allen a chance, which means more than 2 years, then we will build a winner.

Posted by: monk811 | December 8, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I keep hearing everybody say Shanahan is partly to blame,Shanahan has a hand in this also,blah,blah,blah.Lavar had a hissy fit yesterday about it being Shannys fault.B Mitch said Shanahan was 60% to blame.But you know what I haven't heard yet?WHAT THE HELL SHANNY WAS SUPPOSED TO DO DIFFERENT!?What was he supposed to tell the guy who doesnt come to OTA's,doesnt come to mandatory camp,half practices,wont play the position you ask him to play,can only play in the nickel and oh yeah,already has $32 million of your bosses money.So tell me what was he supposed to do differently?

Posted by: smittdiddy | December 8, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

There is no re-building going on here Bro. Shannahan comes from the old school way of thinking that: OLD, VET, HAS-BEEN PLAYERS ARE MORE RELIABLE. Shanny has never developed young players, and his draft history is very suspect to say the least. Shanny likes the old veterants, and when these same vets run out of steam and cant give anymore he looks lost - See what he did in Denver. He drafted "crap" and was always bringing "OLD" veterant. Whats the first thing he did when taking over: Sign Mcnabb THIS WAS HIS first move, so Mcnabb is one of his guys, he APPROVED the move...Stop it, there is no rebuilding, he will let a bunch of players go and they will in turn be replaced by OLDER PLAYERS. nuff said!

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Why couldnt he have suspended Casey Rabach???

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

For conduct detrimental to the Quarterback.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Photo of Haynesworth out Thursday night:

http://deadspin.com/5708279/albert-haynesworth-was-barhopping-thursday-late-for-practice-friday-suspended-for-rest-of-season-today

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2010 4:18 AM
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picture is worth a thousand words... fat albert got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lied... at least own up to the fact that you like to rage and dc is a great place to rage!!!

albert just wasn't smart about partying... dexter partied and was loved... riggo partied and is a legend in this town!!!

fat ablert just didn't want to party and work like dexter and riggo!!!

fat ablert took the money and ran... f u fat bastard!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Why couldnt he have suspended Casey Rabach???

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

For conduct detrimental to the Quarterback.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse
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I agree Rabach needs to be retired, but if we didn't give the G-men 6 early Xmas presents, a missed FG, and a punt served up on a waffle cone, the score is not anywhere near as bad as it was.

Rabach didn't lose us this game.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

given what shanallen had to work with in terms of draft choices and the artificially reduced (by the CBA) free agent market that they did ok this offseason.

while we're still suffering from a snyderrato-induced lack of draft picks, this offseason should feature an artificially enhanced free agent market.

like i said: don't be a snyderrato - give it time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 8, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

What kills me about this forum is that there are people in here who do nothing but tear down other folks' ideas.

Obviously, they must lack their own.

I'm done for the day.

And some folks were done before they even started.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I love Mike Mayock...I don't know if y'all caught NFL Total Access last night, but Mayock literally told the host "I don't care" when they asked him about AH. Said he wishes the NFLPA wouldn't even back him in the case and that his stance on AH is the same as it was when he was skipping mandatory workouts, "don't come back to me with this question" he says. Bravo, dude. Bravo...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

to clarify, i should have said;

given what shanallen had to work with in terms of draft choices and the artificially reduced (by the CBA) free agent market that they did ok this past offseason.

while we're still suffering from a snyderrato-induced lack of draft picks, this next offseason should feature an artificially enhanced free agent market.

like i said: don't be a snyderrato - give it time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 8, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Why couldnt he have suspended Casey Rabach???

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

You can suspend a good player for sh*tty attitude and work ethic, but you can't suspend a sh*tty player for good attitude and work ethic.

Maybe a timeout???

Posted by: monk811 | December 8, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

My apologizes to Albert. He's had a tough go since he signed the biggest contract ever for a defensive player. How could I forget how bad his conditions of his employment have been..

To quote Mr. Haynesworth.

"Just because somebody pay you money don't mean they'll make you do whatever they want or whatever. I mean, does that mean everything is for sale?

"I mean, I'm not for sale. Yeah, I signed the contract and got paid a lot of money, but ... that don't mean I'm for sale or a slave or whatever."

Never mind, F Albert and anyone that defends him.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 8:15 PM


NUFF SAID!!!

Posted by: delfranklin4 | December 8, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"Just because somebody pay you money don't mean they'll make you do whatever they want or whatever. I mean, does that mean everything is for sale?

"I mean, I'm not for sale. Yeah, I signed the contract and got paid a lot of money, but ... that don't mean I'm for sale or a slave or whatever."
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jeez... what color is the sky in albert's world?!

he IS for sale. that's what a contract IS.... and it's not like they were asking him to go to war or something... he signed a football contract and they asked him to play football... jeez...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 8, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Dude if we were to suspend every player thats out in Reston drinking on weeknight the redskins would currently not exists and we would have won ZERO superbowls. All your favs were tanked up a lot. Cant believe skins fans are making a big deal about a football player out driking. Plus its the freakin Tap Room its not DC9 or some ish. Not that that would even matter to me. Hogs-drunks, Riggo-stinking drunk, Theismann-angry drunk bad tipper...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Shanny had the power to end this charade weeks ago and get something back. Instead, he chose to keep AH around and continue the distraction circus, and now his value is as low as ever.

You keep harping about accountability...why exempt the head guy from that?

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 4:47 PM

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The greatest value Haynesworth has for Shanny, right now, is increased control in personnel decisions in the upcoming Draft and Free Agent acquisitions (no more Bruce Allen/Joey Galloway favors, etc). This AH debacle will hopefully nail it for Snyder to stay away from Ashburn next year (we can only hope). Its a safe bet it was Snyder who didnt want AH dumped for a 4th pick earlier this year..and throw away 30 mil guaranteed...now they kept him and threw away season.

No matter, I am thinking Baseball now, and booking my flights to Red Sox spring training.... ahhhh... a welcomed and warm distraction...

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Never mind, F Albert and anyone that defends him.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 8:15 PM

You've got to be careful with players like this, who only play well when their contract is up. He's a selfish player that has NO CONCEPT of being a 'Team Player', we should have seen this coming, but Cerrato HAD to have him.

The funny thing is, when he first gave his introductory speech at Redskins Park he talked about wanting to be the greatest and to be compared to Reggie White. Seriously dude, you're a bum and don't deserve to carry Reggie's cleets, jock, even Bible! The whole league sees through you now, and because of that we probably won't get anything higher than a 5th round pick in a trade. Thanks for the memories Al, way to live up to your potential AND screw us majorly!

Posted by: monk811 | December 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

http://deadspin.com/5708279/albert-haynesworth-was-barhopping-thursday-late-for-practice-friday-suspended-for-rest-of-season-today

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2010 4:18 AM
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picture is worth a thousand words... fat albert got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lied... at least own up to the fact that you like to rage and dc is a great place to rage!!!

albert just wasn't smart about partying... dexter partied and was loved... riggo partied and is a legend in this town!!!

fat ablert just didn't want to party and work like dexter and riggo!!!

fat ablert took the money and ran... f u fat bastard!!!
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Dude if we were to suspend every player thats out in Reston drinking on weeknight the redskins would currently not exists and we would have won ZERO superbowls. All your favs were tanked up a lot. Cant believe skins fans are making a big deal about a football player out driking. Plus its the freakin Tap Room its not DC9 or some ish. Not that that would even matter to me. Hogs-drunks, Riggo-stinking drunk, Theismann-angry drunk bad tipper...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:27 AM
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the drunks you mentioned showed up for work and crushed everything on and off the field (literally & figuratively)... they all loved dc & dc loved them!!!

fat albert didn't seem to work hard or put in the work and that's why he will be forever hated!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

And the drunk you mentioned leads the Dline in both SACKS and TACKLE FOR LOSS. He showed up for work,m we didnt play him. Thanks shanny. If we ddint let Riggo play every time he was hung over he would be a noname.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Not that that would even matter to me. Hogs-drunks, Riggo-stinking drunk, Theismann-angry drunk bad tipper...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:27 AM


You missed the major difference...when Riggo went out and got ripped, he'd run for a game-winning TD in the SB. When the Hogs went out and got drunk, they opened holes in defenses so big you could drive trucks through 'em. When AH goes out and gets loaded, he half-asses practice, fails conditioning tests, takes cart rides to the locker room for a bruised buttcheek, and lays down in the turf watching Michael Vick do his thing. Let me know when the light comes on for you...

Nobody cares if you party like a superstar if you do the work to be one on the field too. We can laugh and feel good about Riggo and the Hogs drinking in the shed because they've got rings. What has AH or Rod Gardner or Devin Thomas done to earn any benefit of the doubt?

Nothing. Which is exactly what their careers are.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I believe Albert, he wasn't drunk. But seriously, how much booze does it take a man that size to get wasted?

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 8:00 PM |

Top notch reading, all around.

Great post....

Posted by: MistaMoe

zeke's perspective is always interesting

and reading everyone's perspective is entertaining whether it's bs or not


When you can’t see the angles no more, you’re in trouble, baby. You’re in trouble.
--Carlito Brigante

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

And the drunk you mentioned leads the Dline in both SACKS and TACKLE FOR LOSS. He showed up for work,m we didnt play him. Thanks shanny. If we ddint let Riggo play every time he was hung over he would be a noname.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:43 AM


Yeah, on the last ranked defense in the league. You'll excuse me if I'm not impressed...

I mean, that's like being the tallest midget. Or skinniest fat chick. I just love the "we need him" crowd and their misguided assertion that having a talented malcontent half-assing it on Sundays somehow makes the rest of the defense better. UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Why are we focused on Haynesworth instead of the terrible product the Skins braintrust has put on the field over the past few weeks?

This team is playing worse as the season goes on.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

When you can’t see the angles no more, you’re in trouble, baby. You’re in trouble.
--Carlito Brigante

Posted by: retroskins14

One of Pacino's most under-rated pieces retro,great movie.

Posted by: smittdiddy | December 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I believe Albert, he wasn't drunk. But seriously, how much booze does it take a man that size to get wasted?

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and I believe Clinton didn't 'inhale'!

Posted by: monk811 | December 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

And the drunk you mentioned leads the Dline in both SACKS and TACKLE FOR LOSS.....

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:43 AM

That's pretty impressive considering how seldom he actually gets in the games. So even as a (less than?) half-time player, he outproduces our full-timers. Pitiful.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Remember your preseaon love fest for Make and Adam C. AH stats are better then both them combined. This is in a fraction of the snaps that they have had. This guy could play, we didnt let him thats the bottom line for me, thats my take. Everyone sees it diffrent. If he takes the snaps that Maake and Adam couldn't get it done on we dont have a last place D...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

If he takes the snaps that Maake and Adam couldn't get it done on we dont have a last place D...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:04 AM


LOL...right. The reason we're last in defense is because the ONE guy not practicing or buying into the system isn't on the field. That's it. Next you'll tell me the offense is sputtering because DT got cut and Marko Mitchell never got a chance...

I don't know if you noticed, but the Ravens and Steelers never had AH and managed to field some pretty competitive defenses. Tennessee never won a SB. In fact, 44 teams have titles without AH's allegedly elite services. Wrap your mind around that and get back to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

http://deadspin.com/5708279/albert-haynesworth-was-barhopping-thursday-late-for-practice-friday-suspended-for-rest-of-season-today

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2010 4:18 AM
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picture is worth a thousand words... fat albert got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lied... at least own up to the fact that you like to rage and dc is a great place to rage!!!

albert just wasn't smart about partying... dexter partied and was loved... riggo partied and is a legend in this town!!!

fat ablert just didn't want to party and work like dexter and riggo!!!

fat ablert took the money and ran... f u fat bastard!!!
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Dude if we were to suspend every player thats out in Reston drinking on weeknight the redskins would currently not exists and we would have won ZERO superbowls. All your favs were tanked up a lot. Cant believe skins fans are making a big deal about a football player out driking. Plus its the freakin Tap Room its not DC9 or some ish. Not that that would even matter to me. Hogs-drunks, Riggo-stinking drunk, Theismann-angry drunk bad tipper...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:27 AM
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the drunks you mentioned showed up for work and crushed everything on and off the field (literally & figuratively)... they all loved dc & dc loved them!!!

fat albert didn't seem to work hard or put in the work and that's why he will be forever hated!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 9:34 AM
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You missed the major difference...when Riggo went out and got ripped, he'd run for a game-winning TD in the SB. When the Hogs went out and got drunk, they opened holes in defenses so big you could drive trucks through 'em. When AH goes out and gets loaded, he half-asses practice, fails conditioning tests, takes cart rides to the locker room for a bruised buttcheek, and lays down in the turf watching Michael Vick do his thing. Let me know when the light comes on for you...

Nobody cares if you party like a superstar if you do the work to be one on the field too. We can laugh and feel good about Riggo and the Hogs drinking in the shed because they've got rings. What has AH or Rod Gardner or Devin Thomas done to earn any benefit of the doubt?

Nothing. Which is exactly what their careers are.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 9:46 AM
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my point exactly... i agree w/ you brownwood...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Alan4 has obviously never played a team sport.

Posted by: MrChip1 | December 8, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Guess you think Dan Marino sucks too.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Alan4 has obviously never played a team sport.

Posted by: MrChip1 | December 8, 2010 10:26 AM

Or noticed that football is one...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Alan4 has obviously never played a team sport.

Posted by: MrChip1 | December 8, 2010 10:26 AM


Or noticed that football is one...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 10:35 AM


Ad hominum attacks on the messanger are always fun and easy when your message can't stand on its own merit.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Guess you think Dan Marino sucks too.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM


If he only played at a high level in contract years, yes I would definitely say that.

And I would also say you don't HAVE to have Dan Marino to win a SB. Which would obviously be a true statement.

But hey...don't let fact get in the way of your "AH is awesome" argument...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

************************************************************************************************************************************* Albert and Speck *********************************************************************************************************************************
THIS IS A JOB WITH PASSION AND CAUSE TO PLEASE THE FANS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU’RE TEAMATES. PLEASE MOVE ON AND CONSIDER PLAYING FOR SOMEONE ELSE BUT IN THE FUTURE HAVE ALBERT BECOME A TEAM PLAYER MR SPECK... HE IS A PATHETIC PERSON AND MUCH LESS OF A TEAM MATE.. HE HAS THE REDSKINS MONEY DAN GAVE HIM BUT NOW THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF A MORON HE IS SO NO AMOUNT OF MONEY CAN FIX THAT.. THANK YOU MIKE AND BRUCE FOR SHOWING AMERICA WHAT OUR SOCIETY HAS CREATED. RICH , FAT , AND LAZY AND EVERYONE OWES HIM FOR HIS LESS THAN AMERICAN EFFORT HE GAVE BACK..... WHAT A LOSER , YES ALBER YOU. MR SPECK GO AND GIVE THE KIND OF EFFORT TO YOUR CLIETS THAT ALBERT GAVE TO THE REDSKINS AND WELL SEE HOW LONG YOU WILL BE IN BUISNESS AND HOW MANY CLIENTS YOU HAVE IN TWO YEARS.. VERY, VERY DISSPOINTED REDSKIN FAN.. :(

Posted by: rogerdodger24 | December 8, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

************************************************************************************************************************************* Albert and Speck *********************************************************************************************************************************
THIS IS A JOB WITH PASSION AND CAUSE TO PLEASE THE FANS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU’RE TEAMATES. PLEASE MOVE ON AND CONSIDER PLAYING FOR SOMEONE ELSE BUT IN THE FUTURE HAVE ALBERT BECOME A TEAM PLAYER MR SPECK... HE IS A PATHETIC PERSON AND MUCH LESS OF A TEAM MATE.. HE HAS THE REDSKINS MONEY DAN GAVE HIM BUT NOW THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF A MORON HE IS SO NO AMOUNT OF MONEY CAN FIX THAT.. THANK YOU MIKE AND BRUCE FOR SHOWING AMERICA WHAT OUR SOCIETY HAS CREATED. RICH , FAT , AND LAZY AND EVERYONE OWES HIM FOR HIS LESS THAN AMERICAN EFFORT HE GAVE BACK..... WHAT A LOSER , YES ALBER YOU. MR SPECK GO AND GIVE THE KIND OF EFFORT TO YOUR CLIETS THAT ALBERT GAVE TO THE REDSKINS AND WELL SEE HOW LONG YOU WILL BE IN BUISNESS AND HOW MANY CLIENTS YOU HAVE IN TWO YEARS.. VERY, VERY DISSPOINTED REDSKIN FAN.. :(

Posted by: rogerdodger24 | December 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Direct Quote from a player and position mate:

“In the NFL as a player, you want to be respected by your teammates. That’s all you can ask for,” Holliday said. “And right now, he doesn’t have that respect because a lot of times it seems like he’s playing for himself. He doesn’t buy into the team concept.”

Holliday went on to say what a tough position Haynesworth has consistently put coach Mike Shanahan in./


Is it not pretty clear the entire coaching staff and the roster of players thinks that Albert is a joke?

How anyone is choosing to focus this on what the coach did wrong is beyond me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 7, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Distraction they say.. another excuse for being a sorry excuse for a team this season! I guess this distracted them into the getting their arses handed to them against philly and NY!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 8, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

His suspension is doing more harm to the team than it is to him. While he definately has issues you can not deny his talent and that no other player on our dline is as disruptive as him. I can't but think that Shanahan could have handle this situation better.

Posted by: RealOne1 | December 8, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

AH plays better than all but maybe 2 players on that defense (sick, or drunk, out of shape or whatever) he can roll over in his sleep and still tackle better than anyone on the D-line. I'm tired of watching the defense shake in fear when any back over 190 pounds walks onto the field...well he's gone so what's to talk about next, who is the next culprit to be signaled out by staff as the reason/s for their sadness

Posted by: aypub | December 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

AH plays better than all but maybe 2 players on that defense (sick, or drunk, out of shape or whatever) he can roll over in his sleep and still tackle better than anyone on the D-line. I'm tired of watching the defense shake in fear when any back over 190 pounds walks onto the field...well he's gone so what's to talk about next, who is the next culprit to be signaled out by staff as the reason/s for their sadness

Posted by: aypub | December 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

AH plays better than all but maybe 2 players on that defense (sick, or drunk, out of shape or whatever) he can roll over in his sleep and still tackle better than anyone on the D-line. I'm tired of watching the defense shake in fear when any back over 190 pounds walks onto the field...well he's gone so what's to talk about next, who is the next culprit to be signaled out by staff as the reason/s for their sadness

Posted by: aypub | December 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Chad Speck and his client, Albert Haynesworth, need to be very cognizant and wary of one alledged point. If Haynesworth did, in fact, refuse to meet and/or speak with his boss, Mike Shanahan, then Haynesworth is clearly guilty of insubordination and conduct detrimental to the team/organization, which would in all probability be grounds for immediate dismissal w/o any severance pay.

This whole Haynesworth situation needs to be laid squarely at the feet of Dan Snyder - and his former minion, Vinny Cerrato. They are the two idiots who brought Haynesworth to Washington in one of the biggest/lamest free agent busts of all time. Notes to Snyder: 1) Please let Allen and Shanahan run the Redskins and 2) Please learn a valuable lesson from this debacle that "when you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas."

Posted by: SkinsKen | December 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I can understand the frustration with the previous management that brought AH in, but it's not like he was a HUGE problem last year. Even if he didn't play up to the standards his big contract warranted, he did play and wasn't this "Cancer" as some of you all call him.

The problems started when the new regime came in. If they didn't like him for effort reasons or system reasons, THAT was where the ties should have been cut. The fact is Shanny used him as an example to try to show everyone that HE was in charge.
Unfortunately, the whole conditioning test debacle was the final breaking point. The in and out of the lineup during the season was all aftermath. This is just the inevitable conclusion of what started back in August.
He has always been accused or conditioning issues, taking plays off, and some temper problems, but up until this year, no ones ever accused him of alienating teammates, dividing lockers, or being a "Cancer".
Would it really surprise anyone if he goes to another team that plays the 4-3 and is back in probowl form in the next couple of years?
I don't have any Redskin facts, maybe because he didn't get on the field enough during his tenure here, but I distinctly remember the "Haynesworth Factor" the last 3 or so years he was in Tennessee. It was something crazy like, they would give up over 140 yds rushing a game when he was out of the line up, and like 80 when he was in.

Posted by: VegasFred | December 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

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