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Analysis: Haynesworth situation comes down to dollars and sense

Over the past few days, several media outlets, including this one, have had reports about the Redskins' plans regarding veteran defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

All of the reports made it clear the Redskins have recently attempted to trade Haynesworth, and one stated the team isn't actively trying to move the disgruntled Pro Bowler. But the bottom line is this: Coach Mike Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen have been eager to trade Haynesworth for some time, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation, and whether they accomplish their goal hinges on owner Daniel Snyder's willingness to accept the largest failed investment of his 11-year tenure as owner -- and possibly the biggest in NFL history.

Haynesworth still is on the roster because the Redskins were unable to persuade other teams to acquire him before they were contractually obligated to pay a $21 million bonus -- believed to be the largest check written to a player in NFL history -- on April 1. Haynesworth signed his record $100 million package -- which included a then-record $41 million in guaranteed money -- on Feb. 28, 2009, and he has been paid $32 million in the first 14 months of the deal.

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Several teams -- the Tennessee Titans apparently atop the list -- apparently would be willing to assume the contract's remaining $9 million in guaranteed money and the total of $15.7 million (Haynesworth's base of $6.7 million in 2012 is not guaranteed) that he is scheduled to receive over the next three seasons.

Haynesworth, 28, was arguably the league's premier defensive player during the 2007-08 seasons and, despite being miserable last season playing under former defensive coordinator Greg Blache, still helped to improve the performances of those around him, former Redskins coaches say.

Haynesworth initially raised Shanahan's ire by saying he would rather not play nose tackle in the Redskins' new 3-4 scheme, and further irritated Shanahan with his decision to train on his own instead of participating in the Redskins' voluntary offseason conditioning program at Redskins Park, which Shanahan considers mandatory. On Wednesday it was learned that Haynesworth plans to participate only in offseason events for which he would face disciplinary action if he were absent.

Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, the only mandatory team activity is the three-day minicamp at the complex that begins June 16. The first voluntary minicamp begins April 16. It's one thing for Haynesworth to train on his own against Shanahan's wishes, but missing a minicamp would be tantamount to challenging Shanahan to a fight, which is what seems to be happening.

As Rick Maese explained so well in an earlier post, Shanahan responds strongly when he determines players have disregarded his orders. And Haynesworth is planning to stay away from Ashburn for all but three days of the offseason?

Some players are privately monitoring the situation closely. In a text message to a reporter Wednesday night, one veteran said that, considering Shanahan has made it clear he's in charge, he could not imagine Haynesworth being on the roster much longer.

But as is the case with many things, the situation is complicated because of the money involved. Snyder has already paid a staggering amount to Haynesworth, who played in only 12 games last season. He had four sacks and was credited with 29 tackles. For all of Snyder's missteps as a hands-on owner, he has been very successful in the business world, and it's simply bad business to receive little return on a $32-million investment.

The Redskins would prefer Haynesworth to pay back some of the recent bonus he received to complete a trade that he too would welcome apparently. But that's probably not going to happen.

If the Redskins were part of the NBA or Major League Baseball, they simply could ask teams to send them some cash in addition to picks for Haynesworth. But that's not how things work in the NFL.

The National Football Post provided an excellent explanation of the rule that prevents an exchange of cash to help facilitate trades in the NFL. The piece pointed out that the Redskins could attempt to package running back Clinton Portis with Haynesworth in trade talks. Portis is guaranteed $6.4 million of his $7.2 million base salary this season, so trading both players could help to offset the financial burden the Redskins incurred with money paid to Haynesworth.

Under Snyder, the Redskins have had many high-priced busts. Players such as Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd quickly come to mind. But Snyder had never before given so much to someone and then ended the relationship after only one season. Although it would seem to be difficult for Snyder to accept losing so much money so quickly, the alternative -- having Haynesworth on the roster to start the season -- might be even less palatable for the organization, Shanahan in particular.

Haynesworth challenged Shanahan's authority in questioning how the team plans to use him and then by skipping the workout program. If Haynesworth is absent as expected for the first minicamp, that would raise the showdown to another level.

Shanahan still has a lot of work to do in his attempt to restore the Redskins to prominence while grooming his son, Kyle, to become the team's next head coach. He'd rather not waste energy dealing with Haynesworth, who clearly will not get with Shanahan's program.

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By Jason Reid  |  April 8, 2010; 12:45 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Daniel M. Snyder , Jason Reid , Mike Shanahan  | Tags: Albert Haynesworth, Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan, Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins  
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Comments

first?

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If it don't make dollars then it don't make sense.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe post = fart gas"

I'll have you know that'll I do whatever it takes to contribute to Global Warming.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

IMO if the Redskins can package CP and AH to a team for some draft picks, I would do it. The Redskins have to get out from underneath AH's contract. Snyder has only himself to blame for giving that type of contract to AH. This is why you have to proceed slowly and make the right moves. Not throw money at players whose injury history and attitudes are suspect.

Posted by: robostop10 | April 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll have you know that'll I do whatever it takes to contribute to Global Warming.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:55 PM

I'm doing my part.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I have mixed feelings about this (i.e. giving up on a guy after basically paying him $32M for one season). And allowing another team to benefit from the bonus we paid him. But mostly, I want this selfish, lazy, disconnected piece of crap gone. We are building a new culture, and team comes first.

We will no longer be the ATM of the league. This guy will never 'get it', and probably never invest himself into this team and his teammates. A 2nd and ANY other pick.

Posted by: ECSkins | April 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

If i could avoid sitting next to steelers fans i would but they make up about 60% of my office, if i leave my office i aint on RI. Not giving any credit to spittsburg or their fans but come on any one that is saying C Hampotn is better then AH is off base, as the spitt fans are not saying. Are they diffrent and do they play a different style yes. But AH could do anything and everything Hampton does except keep his mouth shut. Hampton can do a small fraction of what AH can.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and:

"Shanahan still has a lot of work to do in his attempt to restore the Redskins to prominence while grooming his son, Kyle, to become the team's next head coach."J Reid.

way to slip the Kyle thing in there...

Posted by: ECSkins | April 8, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This makes no sense. If Shanny has control, he gets his way. The biggins should be out. We were led to believe Danny would have little to no say about these sort of decisions.

Countdown begins: 5 months until kickoff

Posted by: zgg0300 | April 8, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. Copy,Paste. So easy a Caveman...

Posted by: oh_boy1 | April 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Getting rid of Campbell, Portis, and Haynesworth would completely change the culture of this team as well as replace the draft picks we've traded away. Tortoise is done, and his act has worn way thin even on his own teammates. If they could get a 3 or 4 for JC, and a late 1 and 4 or a 2 and 3 for Fat Al and CP suddenly we've got picks to rebuild the line again and really the only productive loss is Albert and if he's not gonna buy in we're better off without of him. IMO if it can be done it should be done.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"Analysis: Haynesworth situation comes down to dollars and sense"

Money is never an issue for something to come down to when a billionaire is involved.

And Dan Snyder is one.

The singulal issue related to Mr. Haynesworth is, can the team afford to have its best defensive tackle leave just because he chooses to exercise his contractual right to workout on his own and report only to mandatory obligations.

For every thread you issue championing Prince Al's possible removal, please explain to the masses which redskin defensive tackle will take his place.

Again: D Snyder won't miss the money he gave Haynesworth.

But he will remember the sight of Brandon Jacobs rumbling through the skins' defensive wall where he used to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'll have you know that'll I do whatever it takes to contribute to Global Warming.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:55 PM |

I'll have you know that I'll do whatever it takes to contribute to better grammar.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This should help off-set Fat Albert's contract. Maybe they should be honest and replace charitable foundation with "lazy, fat, overpaid, NOSETACKLE."

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/FedExField_JumboTron_Pieces_Available_For_Charitable_Donation_111437.jsp

Posted by: tdskinz | April 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Since we're talking speculation...

Did Eagles trade McNabb so Redskins wouldn't draft Bradford?
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 8, 2010 12:31 PM ET
Why did the Philadelphia Eagles trade their starting quarterback, Donovan McNabb, to the division rival Washington Redskins? The trade could have been motivated in part to keep Washington from drafting Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford.

At least, that's the theory floated by Adam Schefter of ESPN, who reports that multiple NFL executives firmly believe that the Eagles wanted to block the Redskins from taking Bradford. The executives Schefter talked to say the Eagles are high on Bradford and don't want to have to play against him twice a year for the next decade.

So the Eagles figured that if they shipped McNabb to Washington and took two draft picks from the Redskins in the process, they'd make the Redskins less likely to want to draft a quarterback and also take away some of the picks the Redskins would have needed to move up and take Bradford.

There's a perception among many league observers that teams shouldn't make trades within their divisions because it's dangerous to strengthen a divisional opponent's roster. But maybe the Eagles think that what really would have strengthened the Redskins is drafting Bradford.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think the media making to much of this haynesworth situation. There 32 million reason why the redskins will not release haynesworth.

Posted by: taylormade218 | April 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth for a 1st round pick.

Nothing less.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 1:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3taEuL4EHAg

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 1:13 PM

Maybe the most ridiculous piece ever thrown up on PFT. Beanfootballtalk (BFT) is more believable.

Bradford was 2-2 last year. 2 hits 2 injuries..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Hampton can do a small fraction of what AH can."


You are an NFL GM.

The chance to sign one of the guys listed below comes.

Pick one:

Albert Haynesworth

Pat Williams

Casey Hampton

Haloti Ngata

Kevin Williams

Shaun Rogers

Me?: I go with P Williams as he doesn't have to leave the field for a rest or the front I'm using.

In fact, only one of the players listed here did one of both regularly last year.

Hint?: he's a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 1:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3taEuL4EHAg

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 1:18 PM

She's a dirty girl in need of some discipline.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 1:13 PM |

The Eagles scared shtiless by a QB with a glass shoulder from a non WCO O scheme who has yet to show he can play in a WCO at the next level? That is even less credible than the conspiracy theory that McNabb played his way out of Philly and into Shanahan's arms by tanking the two Dallas games at the end of the season and threatening to retire if the Eagles sent him to a bottom dweller like the chaotic Raiders.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Moe, Ngata is the best of that bunch.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

could we trade him for a stack of visa gift cards???

Posted by: carsonspence | April 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

All this talk of getting out from under AH contract and CP's contract

Didn't we have a post a week or so ago that said the skins found a clever way to give bonuses that only made those contracts impact this year (uncapped)

We are already out from under those contracts. The talk of packing CP to free up his salary makes no sense.

AH is an outstanding player and won't be traded......as they say BOOK IT!

Posted by: rupertpupkin | April 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Hampton can do a small fraction of what AH can."


Ooooppppsss....I forgot:

Darnell Dockett

Barry Cofield

Jay Ratliff

Vince Wilfork

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how you guys have the ability to regurgitate the same stuff over and over again on this blog. Where's the story at this point? Can you tell me what Albert ate for breakfast this morning and how that might make Shanahan feel? Seriously, don't just write another post to fill space. It's tiring.

Posted by: chitownskinsfan | April 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Or how about this:

The Redskins keep Haynesworth on the practice squad, discipline him for not showing up/being late, wherever applicable.

They sit on him like that for a couple years, allow him to loaf and get fat and outta shape, and watch him become a fat, rich, nobody overnight.

It's vindictive, but it may be the type of purgatory Haynesworth could respond to, if he's really all about his legacy.

In my opinion, however, I think both sides need to sit down and come to some agreement... a compromise, perhaps. To lose a great player over "voluntary" workouts seems like a bad idea.

Maybe they need to kiss his butt a little. Maybe he's got legit grievances about switching positions.

Sit down and work it out.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 8, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

repost:

One way or another, its about time we get some credibility in the locker room. We have gone on too long with players being allowed to do things their way. Albert is a beast when he wants to be. Unblockable. He made our Dline a strength last year and there is no denying that if we trade him our dline will not be nearly as good.

That being said, Albert is also exactly the type of person we don't really want on this team. His work ethic has been questioned since day 1 in the league, he is a big mouthed, diva, who has a ton of influence on the younger players. His talent is undeniable, but his attitude is poor.

Is he actually hurting the team by not showing up? Probably not. Is his ability worth his desire to workout away from the team? Absolutely. In the end, this is Shanny saying that this is his team now. Do it his way or leave. Good or bad, at least hes asserting himself and hopefully we'll be the better for it.

Also, to the person who made the comparison that this is like asking him to come in on the weekend and work for free...the man just got paid 21 million dollars... I do not give a shi% how often we ask him to come in. 21 million dollars..... period.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

to summarize:

we want to trade AH, cause his attitude

the titans are allegedly willing

AH will report for Redskins mandatory camps

commentary:

cool , can we move on

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins keep Haynesworth on the practice squad, discipline him for not showing up/being late, wherever applicable."

Think like a lawyer:

How can they, the redskins, hold him responsible for doing what the League's Collective Bargaining agreement allows?

You can't sanction a guy who doesn't show up for voluntary practices.

They'll get sued and lose.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Haynesworth is still the best of all of them.

Only Ngata and Kevin Williams come close in terms talent.

Tough it out, play him while he's unhappy, let him deal with it. That's the approach Wisenhunt took with Anquan Boldin for two years, and it got them in large part a Super Bowl berth.

Unless we can unload him for a first round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Tebow beep

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth,Changeworth....Gone too far now...Get the bum outa here...He would poison the team....

Posted by: birdytom | April 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Getting rid of Campbell, Portis, and Haynesworth would completely change the culture of this team as well as replace the draft picks we've traded away. Tortoise is done, and his act has worn way thin even on his own teammates. If they could get a 3 or 4 for JC, and a late 1 and 4 or a 2 and 3 for Fat Al and CP suddenly we've got picks to rebuild the line again and really the only productive loss is Albert and if he's not gonna buy in we're better off without of him. IMO if it can be done it should be done.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 1:09 PM

Couldn't agree more with this. For people who like washed up, me-first running backs like Portis, if we trade him we still have a washed up, me-first running back in Larry Johnson. So don't despair on that front. For people who think Butterworth is football Jesus, well, all I can say is: 4-12. He may walk on water according to p1funk, but he can't change the record of a team by himself, so who why not move him if he has decided to fight the team?

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how you guys have the ability to regurgitate the same stuff over and over again on this blog. Where's the story at this point? Can you tell me what Albert ate for breakfast this morning and how that might make Shanahan feel? Seriously, don't just write another post to fill space. It's tiring.

Posted by: chitownskinsfan | April 8, 2010 1:30 PM

5:30 am: Egg white omelet, a bowl of oatmeal, some fresh fruit and a protein shake.

7:00 am: Hill climbs that would have punished Jerry Rice and Walter Payton in their prime.

8:30 am: 1.5 hours of film study to understand the nuances of 3- D with regards to the role of a NT and DE.

10:00 am - 12:00 pm: Nap to recuperate and be ready for vigorous afternoon training.

12:00 - 1:00 pm: Lunch- Chicken Breast, broccoli, whole grain rice, and a protein shake.

3:00- 5:00 pm: Stretching followed by weight training that would make Phillip Daniels look soft and lazy

6:00 pm: 2 whole chickens, more vegetables, 2 sweet potatoes and a protein shake

9:00 pm: Bed

Repeat

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Know when to hold 'em.

Know when to fold 'em.

This card game will be fun to watch.

Posted by: donsilvester | April 8, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

show what a great coach you are and get AH to buy into your system

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Too Big to Fail" -- great headline

Posted by: TheBoreaucrat | April 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I am for packaging AH, Clinton and Jason Reid in exchange for picks!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | April 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Good work, JReid. I know there are haters who criticize these posts (despite constantly reading and commenting on them!), but whatever. This is one of the most intriguing storylines of the offseason so far, and your posts are exactly what blogging for the WaPo is about - giving your opinion of the situation based on your knowledge and expertise covering the 'Skins. Keep it up - I think it's a huge improvement over LaCanfora (your bud, I know) because of your more objective manner of writing.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Good work, JReid. I know there are haters who criticize these posts (despite constantly reading and commenting on them!), but whatever. This is one of the most intriguing storylines of the offseason so far, and your posts are exactly what blogging for the WaPo is about - giving your opinion of the situation based on your knowledge and expertise covering the 'Skins. Keep it up - I think it's a huge improvement over LaCanfora (your bud, I know) because of your more objective manner of writing.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 1:55 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

upgrade over lacanfora yes... jried basically copied and pasted articles from 3 different websites!!! the guy is a clown!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Get rid of the ___hole. He is not about team, only himself. He could be the best lineman in history, but his attitude will keep him from obtaining that. Another T.O., he may never be successful again. So Snyder paid 2.67 million per game for 12 games. I just hope Tampa still wants him.

Posted by: sruppert | April 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Shananhan needs to stick to what he know, and that's offense. Let Jim Haslett worry about the defense, or is his roll to coach the people Shanahan think will work? It's starting to look a lot like Denver to me. Good offense with a defense that can't stop anybody which equals 8-8 the same record that got him FIRED!!! in Denver.

Posted by: I_95 | April 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The only questions are when and how much money Hayneworth will give back to the Redskins to be traded. My prediction is that he ends up back in Tennessee or in Detroit playing for Jim Schwartz. Considering the amount of guaranteed money he's owed, his injury history, poor conditioning, and age (yes, 29 this year), it's simply unrealistic to expect more than a 2nd round pick plus a midrounder.

If the Redskins could get Detroit's 2nd round pick plus their 6th, it would essentially replace two of the picks they've given up in the last two years. Not to mention Detroit's pick is comparable to the pick the Redskins gave up for McNabb. I'm sure the Redskins goal is to trade Haynesworth for picks before the April 26th draft and now it's just a matter of negotiating the compensation.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 8, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I still don't get it... The only quote from Haynesworth you've produced to verify that he does not want to play NT is the following:

"Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," Haynesworth said. "I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Posted by: siris | April 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Trade AH to the Titans

give us OT David Stewart and a 2nd or 3rd round pick... done deal

trade down in draft and select Dan Williams...AH friend from Tennessee

Portis is going nowhere

Posted by: imthedude | April 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

There is a very simple answer here.

Fat Albert wants to train on his own? Fine. If he comes to what ever mandatory function not in shape he gets fined until he is.

Make his remaining time with the Skins as uncomfortable as possible as what was done with Arrington. He volunteered to payback some of the bonus he received.

Posted by: rillbizi | April 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The theory that the Eagles traded McNabb to the Redskins to prevent them from drafting Bradford is one of the dumbest ever, ranking up there w/ the sun revolving around the earth and that the earth is flat. First of all, Bradford will probably be gone w/ the first pick. Secondly, last I checked the Redskins still sit at #4. If he's that great, what's to prevent the Redskins from still drafting him? Thirdly, how much fear does a 4-12 team w/ the worst offensive line in history instill in anyone? No doubt Andy Reid has spent many a sleepless night this offseason fretting over the possibility that the Redskins are just a quarterback away from being one of the great teams of all time.

Posted by: randysbailin | April 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Portis is going nowhere

Posted by: imthedude | April 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

With JOHNSON and PARKER as back-up in the event CP leaves, I certainly hope not.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Reid,
I challenge you to write an article without using wild speculation and unnamed sources.

Posted by: kts38 | April 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

JReid is trying to manufacture dissension here. I hope Haynesworth nor Shanahan fall for it. Not attending offseason workouts is not a crime. It's no big deal. As for those other free agent busts, don't look to Snyder. Look to Cerrato and Gibbs! I have never seen another owner in football held to his own accumulated won-loss record. No other owners are judged like this. Did Snyder go 4-12 last year or did Cerrato and Zorn? I would lay more blame on Cerrato and Zorn. The owner only signs checks and pursues the course suggested to him by his sdvisors...good or bad.

Posted by: tramellcanady | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan is the Skins Next Head Coach in waiting? Where the freak did this come from?

Posted by: dovelevine | April 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

and whether they accomplish their goal hinges on owner Daniel Snyder's willingness to accept the largest failed investment of his 11-year tenure as owner -- and possibly the biggest in NFL history.

By: JReid

=================================================

Whaaaaa???!!?!!?!?!?!?

Not even the top 3. He's not even a freakin bust!

1. Dion
2. Archibingus
3. BLloyd
4. ARE
5. Mike Barrow
6. Jeremiah Trotter


GTF outta here.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not shopping Haynesworth. This is pure nonsense. There is no way they would pay the guy $21 million and then trade him. Have some common sense people, this is not rocket science. Sure, Dan Snyder is a very rich man, but even he would not throw away that kind of money intentionally.

Albert Haynesworth will be on the Redskins roster in 2010...deal with it.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

WHOA -- wait a minute ....shanahan doesn't need snyders permission to can or trade haynesworth. dump haynesworth for ANYTHING, an 8th round pick, a water boy, a box of girl scout cookies(unless haynesworth ate them). Look, this is SNYDER and Cerrato's screw up. Not shanahans.

Posted by: djv123 | April 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"For all of Snyder's missteps as a hands-on owner, he has been very successful in the business world, and it's simply bad business to receive little return on a $32-million investment."

Look up the phrase "sunk cost" in a dictionary or economics text book. Appreciation of the concept of sunk costs is, in my judgment, sorely lacking in the world of sports media.

Posted by: WhitStevens | April 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

With all the money Snyder has, why doesn't he just pay somebody to rearrange Haynesworth's face so his own mother won't recognize him.

Posted by: lp_lodestar | April 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Come on Snyder. Eat the mistake and let's move on without Haynesworth. By bringing in Shanahan and Allen you have just about admitted that the team was about to fall under the weight of its own mistakes.

As indicated the other players are watching to see what happens.

If Shanahan is forced to back down by Snyder it will be that much harder to keep Portis, Larry Johnson and some others in line.

Get a draft pick and get rid of this loser.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 8, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Deion and ARE were not busts. Deion was still our best corner and had some big time plays.Just didn't play enough years for his contract. ARE was good but not great (but I think we knew that when we got him).

Arch and Lloyd are definitely the top 2. Where is Jason Taylor?


Whaaaaa???!!?!!?!?!?!?

Not even the top 3. He's not even a freakin bust!

1. Dion
2. Archibingus
3. BLloyd
4. ARE
5. Mike Barrow
6. Jeremiah Trotter


GTF outta here.....

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

J.R articles are redundant and so are 90% of these post. All should find a new topic. We have been talking about Albert Haynesworth for 6 days now. Nothing new has happen in those 6 days but J.R is still rehashing the same news since sunday. And we are still chiming in with our same old package this guy and that guy for these picks without having a clue of how salary cap works. Go back to work and earn your paycheck.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

i would not trade him, Why? because thats what he wants. He has gotten his money but has not been here long enough to earn it and he really wants to be back with the Titans. And he thinks his insubordinate behavior will get him traded. I say make him stay, make him play. Punish him by keeping him here. Or if you trade him dont trade him to where he wants to go, trade him to the lions or the raiders. I bet if he thought thats where he would end up he would change his behavior quick.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Just swallow the loss and make the trade, Dan. It's good for the future of YOUR team!

Posted by: p_chuck | April 8, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

You people are stupid. If you ran a team you would run it on emotion therefore you would run it in the ground just to spite the people you are angry at. If some of you ran the skins we would be 0-16 every year for the next 5 years.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Remember this, if they got rid of AH these are the same fans that would be calling for the coach and GM's head the first week that we the skins got gashed for 100 plus yards rushing and we saw AH playing well someplace else. One thing these bloggers are good at, being bad prognosticators and second guessing in hindsight. These are the same bloggers that labeled colt brennen as the more qualified starter and fred davis as a bust. Just because you blog about football does not mean you know anything about football. You can blog about jet planes but that does not qualify you as a pilot.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Disgruntled fans always need some target to vent their frustration. First it was Jason Campbell, now we are on the verge of replacing him the new target is albert haynsworth, a good player whom we wished for before we got him. Once he is gone and the skins are still 4-12 in 09 which does not change until they play another regular season game who will be the new target for blame? No matter who you wish off the team the skins 09 record will still be 4-12. Until the play another season. And Haynesworth will still be playing football and getting paid for it so if you think for one minute our words are even getting to him you are fooling yourselves. Do you really think he is someplace feeling bad because some blogger wishes he were traded? He knows no matter where he plays he has 61 million dollars and is owed 15 million more. How much money do any of you make if he is traded? Stop hating.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Have we noticed that with all of J.R's inside information he never wrote one article about the skins move to get McNabb? But he speculates everyday about everyone else but the one move they made he never saw it coming. And he is suppose to be a insider reporter? He found out about Haynesworth being offered to Philly the same time the rest of us did and he has been writing speculative opinions every since. He knows nothing. Stop reacting to his lazy articles. He is just trying to write something to justify his paycheck. Its like those loud market experts on MSNBC who never predicted the collapse of wall st, and they are on TV everyday talking about the market. None of them could tell you that Lehman Brothers or AIG were in trouble.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"For all of Snyder's missteps as a hands-on owner, he has been very successful in the business world..."

Can this be confirmed? Are the companies that Snyder owns public? Isn't Six Flags and Johnny Rockets in bankruptcy? One can only imagine the financial condition of the Washington Redskins and FEDEX Field.

Posted by: mdnativ2000 | April 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote:
""For all of Snyder's missteps as a hands-on owner, he has been very successful in the business world, and it's simply bad business to receive little return on a $32-million investment."

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Yep, then what about the $30 mill paid to Joe Gibbs II for 3 playoff games? Was that a good ROI?

If his name were - say Jim Zorn - and he got $25 mill for 4 playoff games, would that be a good ROI? Then neither was the $30 mill paid to Joe the second time around. Not good business, only emotion. Of course to skins fans, $55 mill to Joe for one playoff game would be good business. Not as dumb as the $30 mill for 3 playoff games or $10 mill per game and no where near a title for it.

Posted by: kedavis | April 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote:
""For all of Snyder's missteps as a hands-on owner, he has been very successful in the business world, and it's simply bad business to receive little return on a $32-million investment."

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Yep, then what about the $30 mill paid to Joe Gibbs II for 3 playoff games? Was that a good ROI?

If his name were - say Jim Zorn - and he got $25 mill for 4 playoff games, would that be a good ROI? Then neither was the $30 mill paid to Joe the second time around. Not good business, only emotion. Of course to skins fans, $55 mill to Joe for one playoff game would be good business. Not as dumb as the $30 mill for 3 playoff games or $10 mill per game and no where near a title for it.

Posted by: kedavis | April 8, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who post even Snyder would not throw $21m away, he's thrown 20 times that much away during his ownership.

This is the point that Shanahan and Allen are making. In order to rebuild the Redskins into a consistent contender, they have to purge the roster of all past mistakes. Fatty is one of those mistakes. Then they have to build a team that can compete. That means 53 guys who are all paid well and play their hearts out every Sunday, that's 16 games a year.

Nothing short of this will work.

Posted by: pjente | April 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

STOP IT!!!! There is not a shred of evidence that Snyder is a successful businessman. He got rich doing email marketing during the Internet boom of the 1990's. You might as well say that someone is a "business genius" because they won $100 million in the lottery. Do not equate "rich" with "successful" or "possessing business acumen." The guy has no understanding of business organizations, finance, human resource development or public relations. He has bankrupted 6 Flags and has been a TERRIBLE football CEO making one misstep after another. Successful businessman? - please!

Posted by: jksesq1 | April 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing against AH as a football player. AH is typical of the problem that has existed with the Redskins since Snyder bought the team. You have a few OVERPAID prima donnas that expect to be held to a different standard then the rest of the team. And until now they were.
Name me one overpaid prima donna who played for the Saints last year? Then name one overpaid prima donna from the Steelers the year before. Getting the picture yet? That's how you win championships. It's not that difficult people.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"it's simply bad business to receive little return on a $32-million investment."

No. Good business decisions are always future oriented: Is it better to keep the player or make the best deal you can in a trade?

You know who continues to follow a ruinous path because they've already paid $32 million for the "privilege" of going down that path? People who are not successful in the business world.

Posted by: mab9 | April 8, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, someone would take Haynsworth off their hands, take Portis and pay him $6.4 MM, and throw in a seventh round pick? Please, don't pinch me, I must be dreaming.

Posted by: TheophilusS | April 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid's speculations have about as much credibility as Tiger Woods' new found commitment to monogamy. His "insider" knowledge comes from the ESPN site and Google.

Posted by: randysbailin | April 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does it sometimes seem like the Redskins are heading simultaneously in different directions? On the one hand Shanny talks about having a plan that will take and and used the "R" word, i.e., rebuilding. He's also reading the riot act to the Redskins best player, AH.

On the other he wasted-strike that-traded away draft picks for an aging star QB and signed two running backs in the twilight of the careers to go with CP who is also at the end of his career.

Rebuilding? Win now? Or just a head coach ego fest run amok?

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 8, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

If he let's Heinousworth get away with this, everyone on the team will try it. This is like Gibbs letting guys train on their own offseason. It just doesn't work in football. There's got to be mutual team suffering involved. Dump him before it gets even worse.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | April 8, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Pepper5... you forget he dumped CP when he was the coach at Denver. What makes you think he's got any greater love for him now? Bringing in Larry and Wille put the handwriting on the wall. Portis is gone. Fat Albert too and any other player who thinks they're too valuable to be traded or cut. The *ONLY* decision now is Snyders on eating that $21 million check.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | April 8, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Throwing some more crap against the wall to see if it sticks, huh J. Reid?
This makes about as much sense as going out and buying a new HumVee for cash, then giving it away because it gets bad gas mileage. How about some actual facts for change?

Posted by: unquiltom | April 8, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is getting paid millions and he refuses to work for it? What percentage of the world is at poverty level? This Prima Donna needs a serious attitude adjustment.

Posted by: No1UNo | April 8, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

How is it that the 2 worst contracts in the history of sports belong to Gilbert Arenas and Fat Albert Haynesworth?

Posted by: randysbailin | April 8, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Well Shanny is living up to his rep as a dictator and tyrant. This minicamp is not mandatory! Sure Al should do his part and show up but it;s NOT mandatory! Shanahan is a Napoleanonic little tyrant!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 8, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

how can you penalize someone for missing voluntary sessions? if they wanted everyone to attend, why is it voluntary?

Posted by: davidkim1 | April 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Adam Shefter should quit buying the Eagles spin on a disastrous decision. If Bradford the Redskin had them shaking in their boots, McNabb will tear them a new one for the next 5 years.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | April 8, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Does saying that Snyder has only himself to blame mean that Haynesworth is not to blame. Give me a break. Snyder with whatever faults he has, didnt make AH a fat,lazy,sissy, piece of sh*t. A thief in a uniform. This is a bad reflection on all athletes. Only Deion Sanders compares in being such a rip off.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | April 9, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Fire Shananagan...he needs to figure out how to get along with the players....even the black ones....sick and tired of rich whitey imposing his will on everyone

Posted by: TerpfanMA | April 9, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

It does not matter, Shanahan will be gone in 4yrs along with his son.

Pay the man you made him an offer honor it.

Unlike many of the people that comment, I know Football players deserve every penny.

The average fan could not survive training camp. Coaches really push your body.

So pay the man.

Stupid dude this is the EAST not WEST!
3-4? Can it, this is 4-3 country.

Posted by: shamken | April 9, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

It does not matter, Shanahan will be gone in 4yrs along with his son.

Pay the man you made him an offer honor it.

Unlike many of the people that comment, I know Football players deserve every penny.

The average fan could not survive training camp. Coaches really push your body.

So pay the man.

Stupid dude this is the EAST not WEST!
3-4? Can it, this is 4-3 country.

Posted by: shamken | April 9, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Is this an attempt to make yourself look better because Haynesworth hasn't been traded like you keep reporting.... This is not the first time you (and the Post) have reported a trade by the Redskins and that trade never happened.....

Be a real insider and report the truth.....

Posted by: punchdaclock | April 9, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I`m sure Danny`s accountants could write off a lot of the money paid to fat Albert.
It was stupid to pay him all that money in the first place. Teams would be willing to give up draft picks for him..which would really help re-stock this club in area such as linemen. No point in bringing in Donovan..if you can`t protect him..and give him a running game. Al is worth a lot more to teams now that the big bonus has been
paid...although, they should have made him come to Redskin park to pick up the check...handed to him by Danny. At the moment where Danny hands him the check..he whispers in Al`s ear..I`m gonna ruin the rest of your life.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | April 9, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who presents these Portis/Haynesworth trade senarios is missing one key question: WHO WOULD TRADE ANYTHING WORTH HAVING FOR EITHER OF THESE GUYS?

Posted by: largetony86 | April 9, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Also, I don't understand all the furor over what Haynesworth is doing (or not doing.) This is only conditioning (which we all know Big Al lacks,) not practice. The guys are just lifting weights (which Haynesworth does everytime he goes to the fridge.) Seriously, it's not that big a deal, just weight lifting--and it's VOLUNTARY.

Posted by: largetony86 | April 9, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes to make gains you have to take losses or as they say addition by subtraction. For far too many years it's been deals like Haynesworth and attitudes like Haynesworth that have kept the Skins in losing situations, if Snyder is really trying to turn this thing around you do what's best and deal him and any other types like him. Snyder can look at that Haynesworth deal and thank his old pal Vinny...

Posted by: papaskynz | April 9, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The $32 mil we've already paid Haynesworth is a sunk cost. It could have been $320 mil or $3.2 mil, and in each case it should have no effect on how the Redskins manage the present situation. The bonuses have been paid and can't be taken back. Now the Redskins should evaluate the decision based on two options: keeping one of the best defensive players in the game (with a terrible attitude) for a very affordable salary, or get better value in return for a trade.

Posted by: dancan | April 9, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

DO NOT TRADE ALBERT HAYNESWORTH!!
Make him play and earn the money he has been given. Let him play the way he played at Tennessee. Let him be his best self. Let his teamates deal with his whining. Do I care if an actor on my favorite TV show is an a--hole? NO. I only care if the show is entertaining. Don't treat Albert differently? He IS different-30 million dollars different. Simple fact- the redskins D-line is BETTER with AH on it.
Why does anyone care if he's a jerk? The NFL is FULL of jerks. Jerks that can run very fast. Jerks that can tackle really hard. Get used to it.

Posted by: cjbass55 | April 9, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworthless

Posted by: lylewimbledon | April 9, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Albert - you cannot take the money with you when you die...at some point in your life, you need to grow-up, man-up, mature, and re-evaluate your values so you can live with yourself.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | April 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

No such thing as too big to fail. Get the fat worthless jerk out of here. And if he can take Janky Spanky with him, so much the better. Getting rid of those two would be confirmation that the Redskins in the Shanahan-Allen-McNabb era will be indeed about, winning, professionalism, hard work, diligence and seriousness.
Those qualities are the antithesis of what the Redskins have been about for 10 years and Haynesworth and Portis embody this last decade perfectly. The sooner they are both gone, the better.

Posted by: templetontherat1978 | April 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL why doesn't the Danny just buy his contract out out of his own pocket?

This is basically what this team needs, indeed the entire NFL needs this. The Danny seems to be eager to sign free-agents to big contracts. The problem is that they can walk out of most of that contract through the manipulation of deadlines. They need to have the same definition of "contract" that they have in the NBA: you sign a guy to a $100M contract, you have to PAY him $100M unless he fails to fulfill the terms of the contract. You want to trade him? Easy. You figure out a deal worth the money and execute it. Here the problem is that they can't work out a trade because the cost of the trade depends on exactly who is traded for whom and when and how it's done. Make it simple. Find $100M worth of cash and contracts and get it done. Period.

Face it: the fact that you want to trade him and can't is an admission that signing him to a $100M contract was a bad idea. Eat it and be done with it. OR>>>>

just sit tight and let the contract play out and see if it works out. Simple :)

And in the future write into the contract that the player has to play the position that the coaches want him to play!

Posted by: dubya1938 | April 9, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Getting rid of those two would be confirmation that the Redskins in the Shanahan-Allen-McNabb era will be indeed about, winning, professionalism, hard work, diligence and seriousness."

Doof this is the same guy who failed to make the playoffs in his last season at Denver. He's personal proof that even at its best, "professionalism, hard work, diligence and seriousness" do not necessarily add up to a winning season much less playoff wins.

Posted by: dubya1938 | April 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Albert - you cannot take the money with you when you die.."

yeah but he'll die a lot happier :)

Posted by: dubya1938 | April 9, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Who is to blame here? The Skins paid way too much for him and he had prior character issues. He is a know knucklehead. He was out of shape last seaon and not well coached. He was not happy playing for Blache and company. He doesn't want to play nosetackle in the 3-4. Too bad. The Skins can't cut him and loose all this money. If is too good just to cut with no compensation so make him work. I am sure there physical requirements in his contract that he must meet. Make sure he meets them.

In Haynesworth defense, if training with the team is voluntary, why should he show up? He can't be forced to. He's already made his money and has gotten paid. So, if he doesn't want to be the best nosetackle/defenseive tackle/defensive end that he can be, what are you going to do? Vinny and Danny knew he was a knucklehead before they signed him. And why are the Skins switching over to the 3-4? We don't don't have the personnel for the 3-4. Our linebackers are slow. Our DEs are old and slow. Carter is not going to thrive in the 3-4. Shannahan should alter his philosophy to work best with the personnel that he has inherited.

I see an impass here. If we can't get value for fat Albert, keep him and use him in the past possible way.

Posted by: neil64 | April 9, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

if we had russ grimm as coach none of this crap will be going on!

Posted by: nivla | April 9, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Keep Haynesworth.
Package McNabb, Lorenzo (Who?) Alexander, Allen and Shanahan in a trade for anybody's #1.
This is a situation that was 4-12 and it's going downhill.
Oh yeah, get rid of the posters on this thing..morons.

Posted by: markappraiser1 | April 10, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

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