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Posted at 2:27 PM ET, 01/13/2011

Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season

By Jason Reid

The Redskins made the correct decision when they suspended controversial defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth for the final four games of the season without pay, but he could return to the team next season, General Manager Bruce Allen said Thursday.

Although Haynesworth never adjusted to Washington's new 3-4 defense and had a season-long struggle with Coach Mike Shanahan, the two-time all-pro is still under contract with the Redskins.

"We were hopeful that he was gonna help the team win, and we remain hopeful that he can help the team win," Allen said. "Obviously, we went through a difficult time with the suspension.

"But when we make those decisions, we understand that there's a human being involved besides just the player. Hopefully, if we give it some time to breathe, maybe we can come back with a fresh outlook on it."

Many in the NFL believe the Redskins will continue to attempt to trade Haynesworth. Despite all the drama, Shanahan - the head of Washington's football operation - probably would rather retain Haynesworth than release him, because another team would likely sign the talented player.

The Redskins already have paid Haynesworth almost $35 million, and the NFL Players Association has filed an appeal on the nine-year veteran's behalf.

The team's union with Haynesworth is potentially salvageable, Allen said.

"He's extremely talented," Allen said. "And let's take a look at it at a later time."

Because of Haynesworth's conduct during the season, though, "I think we made the right decision to suspend him at that time," Allen said. "And I'll try to hold my comments on the other stuff."

Allen has a major role in the team's alumni association. When does he envision Haynesworth and quarterback Donovan McNabb becoming Redskins alumni?

"No time soon," Allen said.

By Jason Reid  | January 13, 2011; 2:27 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth, Bruce Allen  
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Posted by: patljr7 | January 13, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen got the political gene didn't he?! Man! Talk about being able to answer a question without answering it.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | January 13, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse


Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season


and the walls came tumbling down

Posted by: hessone | January 13, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Draft Fariley if he's there (prob gone by pic 3 anyway) and put him head up on Haney on the first day of camp.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 13, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

And monkeys might fly out of AH's large-type arse...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 13, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

... Scouts and his coach have said that his route running is still pretty raw. ...

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:13 PM

They said the same thing about Devin Thomas before he was drafted ... and for a few years afterwards.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse


C'mon sween, you are better than this.

Devin Thomas didn't lead the NCAA in TDs, average 150 yards a game, or break Larry Fitzgerald's receiving record for a sophmore.

The only time "Devin Thomas" and "Justin Blackmon" should appear in the same sentence is when you say something like: "If Justin Blackmon lets Devin Thomas sniff his sweaty socks, Devin should consider it a privilege."

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh please. Posting these statements is as bad as posting about the chopped up cheerleader. Allen is turning out to be a bigger liar than Vinny. The only way Haynesworth can help the team win anymore is to become draft picks or a player trade. Not only has the bridge been burned, the river has been re-routed.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Who wouldn't want Haynesworth...he's been a winner his entire career...let the bidding begin!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 13, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 2:27 PM ET, 01/13/2011
Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season
By Jason Reid


Yeah, lots of stuff 'could' happen in life, let's count a few:

1. The sun 'could' fall out of the sky

2. It 'could' snow in July

3. The Eagles 'could' win a SB

4. C.Rogers 'could' catch more balls than he drops

5. Lindsay Lohen 'could' stop f*cking up her life

6. Beep-beep 'could' stop being a pompous prick

7. J.Reid 'could' do well at his new job

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Albert Haynesworth could return to the Skins next season"


"P1funk could represent the U.S. in the luge competition at the next Winter Olympics"

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse


Oh please. Posting these statements is as bad as posting about the chopped up cheerleader. Allen is turning out to be a bigger liar than Vinny. The only way Haynesworth can help the team win anymore is to become draft picks or a player trade. Not only has the bridge been burned, the river has been re-routed.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:42 PM |
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I hear ya sween !!!

if we can't get a pick for him, dump him


Posted by: hessone | January 13, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Allen: Just be sure to get a fifth round draft pick from the team that is going to sign him and get the deal done before the draft... And, yes, Shanahans Junior and Senior would like written apologies for the BS you spouted in the media. Other than that, it is a done deal.

Posted by: RedSkinHead


Just to be clear: it is not possible (unless a miracle happens and new CBA is created well before the draft) for teams to trade players for draft picks.

Does create an interesting challenge for teams that might be interested in McNabb: do they draft a QB (high pick) or are they so sure that they can get McNabb that they don't.

I think most GMs/coaches would talk themselves into finding "their guy", not gambling the season on whether they can sign a certain FA or make a certain trade.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 13, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

C'mon sween, you are better than this.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:41 PM

Oh no, man, I'm much worse.

I'm practically willing to jump on the Alex Smith bandwagon (as soon as someone tells me how tall he is). And I STILL think that Haynesworth is an outstanding football player (who also happens to have an unfortunate degree of self-respect).

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Bruce, your circus talk couldn't get more outlandish if you were wearing a clown suit (wait, you aren't, are you?. Not only would keeping McNabb/Haynesworth diminish the public image of the Redskins organization further, it would hurt them in the FA market and, more importantly, hurt ticket sales. But you already knew that.

Posted by: pgugino | January 13, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear Students:

Did the Redskins err in trading for McNabb?


This is what's called s rhetorical question as it essentially answers itself.

I mean, if you ever have to ask if you've made the right call, it generally means you didn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 13, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Next season will be the 1st year of the rebuilding project. The team will probably be worse next year. Shanny will keep Haynesworth around cause he's gonna need some more scapegoats.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 13, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I'd put much faith or confidence into anything that Allen is saying these days.

I'm sure he's a nice guy -- but frankly, he is serving as the ceremonial eunuch for Team Shanahan -- you know, the Dude who was installed into a supposedly meaningful position close to the real rulers but castrated and neutered of any real power -- and therefore, acting only as a figurehead, liaison and/or man-servant.

Until we hear it direct from Shanahan, I'll remain skeptical.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 13, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I'd put much faith or confidence into anything that Allen is saying these days.

I'm sure he's a nice guy -- but frankly, he is serving as the ceremonial eunuch for Team Shanahan -- you know, the Dude who was installed into a supposedly meaningful position close to the real rulers but castrated and neutered of any real power -- and therefore, acting only as a figurehead, liaison and/or man-servant.

Until we hear it direct from Shanahan, I'll remain skeptical.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 13, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

C'mon sween, you are better than this.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:41 PM

Oh no, man, I'm much worse.

I'm practically willing to jump on the Alex Smith bandwagon (as soon as someone tells me how tall he is). And I STILL think that Haynesworth is an outstanding football player (who also happens to have an unfortunate degree of self-respect).

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Ok. You're right. You are worse.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Wise tactic by Allen. If it appears they are prepared to keep Fat A, than they hold more cards in a trade, then if all appeared unfixable.

Posted by: rodskin | January 13, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

There's no way either Shanahan or Allen is going to even allude to the possibility of releasing Fat Albert or Donnie Bounce Pass. They hold the leverage on these guys up until the day before the season starts and they have to pay them.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 13, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 13, 2011 2:45 PM

If there isn't a CBA before the draft, there won't be one till till right before the preseason.

Book it!©

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Cut out the tumor and move on!

Posted by: bones21 | January 13, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Allen is just doing his job. He's the PR man and contracts. He has nothing to do with talent evaluation. Same post he held in Tampa and Oakland. Gruden called the personel shots and Allen drew up the contracts and shook hands with the "alumni".

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 13, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Dear Students:

Did the Redskins err in trading for McNabb?

This is what's called s rhetorical question as it essentially answers itself.

I mean, if you ever have to ask if you've made the right call, it generally means you didn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 13, 2011 2:48 PM

Moe, I think I am going to have to drink a bud or burn one...that is some heavy stuff.

signed,
pondering

Posted by: rodskin | January 13, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I'd put much faith or confidence into anything that Allen is saying these days.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 13, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse


Has anyone figured out what he is actually saying?

So far I've got:

"When we met w/ Fletcher Smith, we had a meeting. Our decision will be a decision that we make. The timing of the decision will depend on the timing of things."

And I've got:

"Unfortunately, the way things turned out with Albert was unfortunate. Later on we will revisit the situation at a later time. When we do, we will see what the situation is like, and then we'll take a look at things."


Pretty much sum things up?

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Next season will be the 1st year of the rebuilding project. The team will probably be worse next year.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 13, 2011 2:49 PM

Technically, I think it will be year 2. Changing defenses, converting DEs to OLBs, DTs to DEs, and OLBs to ILBs seems like it constitutes the start of a re-build.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

You can't have a player on the roster that you don't trust. Trust and effort from 53 men is more important than talent. He is gone. Hopefully we can get a 4th rounder for AH. I'd like to send him to the AFC. Maybe a 3rd rounder for McNabb.

Posted by: Sireconway | January 13, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

AH took the money, and regardless of how divisive he may be, sit his butt on the end of the bench and let him rot...besides he should be spending his money in DC anyway.

Posted by: bigdummy1 | January 13, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly what a professional NFL GM in this situation should say.

If you say you will get rid of him, the value of anything you might get in return drops instantly.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 13, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Bruce, your circus talk couldn't get more outlandish if you were wearing a clown suit (wait, you aren't, are you?. Not only would keeping McNabb/Haynesworth diminish the public image of the Redskins organization further, it would hurt them in the FA market and, more importantly, hurt ticket sales. But you already knew that.

Posted by: pgugino | January 13, 2011 2:46 PM
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He's just playing the game. By saying they could work it out Allen is telling the rest of the NFL that the Redskins are willing to hold on to Haynesworth if they feel the offers they get don't have value. And queue Haynesworth now coming in saying he would be okay to play with the Redskins next season, because his agent should be advising him that it is the right thing to do if he wants to get paid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You can't have a player on the roster that you don't trust. Trust and effort from 53 men is more important than talent. He is gone. Hopefully we can get a 4th rounder for AH.

Posted by: Sireconway | January 13, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, hopefully there's some team out there who will give up a 4th round pick for someone they cannot trust and won't put in the effort.

Hopefully.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

6. Beep-beep 'could' stop being a pompous prick

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM

Yep...most of those are possibilities...I was with you unitl number 6.

Seriously though, I think beep is coming around about the SPG...especially since your schtick/football ratio has noticably decreased from 95/5 to roughly 60/40...careful though...your sock puppet membership may be revoked if you fall below 50% schtick.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 13, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If you say you will get rid of him, the value of anything you might get in return drops instantly.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 13, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse


Is it possible to drop below "absolute" zero?

Any scientists out there that can help us with this one?

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Keep Fat Albert and continue with the Snyder era Redskins tradition of being a bunch of losers.

GO RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | January 13, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, lots of stuff 'could' happen in life, let's count a few:

1. The sun 'could' fall out of the sky

2. It 'could' snow in July

3. The Eagles 'could' win a SB

4. C.Rogers 'could' catch more balls than he drops

5. Lindsay Lohen 'could' stop f*cking up her life

6. Beep-beep 'could' stop being a pompous prick

7. J.Reid 'could' do well at his new job

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM |
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one thing you CAN believe will happen everyday for the forseeable future,

#6

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | January 13, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Allen is telling the rest of the NFL that the Redskins are willing to hold on to Haynesworth if they feel the offers they get don't have value.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse


That sound you hear is the rest of the NFL GMs snickering at the idea that they are going to actually make any offers for AH...

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

FatAlbert on special teams, nose tackle, carrying equipment. Awesome way to earn multi-millions, eh? Haven't heard about FatAlbert getting with his trainer, yet, eh?

Posted by: KDSmallJr | January 13, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear: it is not possible (unless a miracle happens and new CBA is created well before the draft) for teams to trade players for draft picks.

Does create an interesting challenge for teams that might be interested in McNabb: do they draft a QB (high pick) or are they so sure that they can get McNabb that they don't.

I think most GMs/coaches would talk themselves into finding "their guy", not gambling the season on whether they can sign a certain FA or make a certain trade.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 13, 2011 2:45 PM
------------------------------------------
Well, that's the elephant sitting in the living room for all of our speculation, isn't it? I mean, if you come down to it, even the draft is meaningless if it's a lockout year. I'm going to keep speculating and hoping the owners blink.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

True dcsween, next year will be Shanny's 2nd year but I don't consider last year to have been a rebuilding year. It was more a reshuffle than an attempt to rebuild. He just moved around all the dusty old furniture to new spots. This will be the 1st year that they start bringing in new pieces (hopefully)

Posted by: coparker5 | January 13, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

6. Beep-beep 'could' stop being a pompous prick

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM

Yep...most of those are possibilities...I was with you unitl number 6.

Seriously though, I think beep is coming around about the SPG...especially since your schtick/football ratio has noticably decreased from 95/5 to roughly 60/40...careful though...your sock puppet membership may be revoked if you fall below 50% schtick.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 13, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I've been calling him on it all day, he's the annonymous member of the SPG!

I think today's been 100/0 ratio of schtick/football, so I think I'm cool, maybe I'll talk about some football topics tomorrow!

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Allen is telling the rest of the NFL that the Redskins are willing to hold on to Haynesworth if they feel the offers they get don't have value.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

That sound you hear is the rest of the NFL GMs snickering at the idea that they are going to actually make any offers for AH...

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:18 PM
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Hey, if TO can find work after throwing more than a few coaches under the bus, anyone can do it.

Yes, it is possible for the temperature to drop below absolute zero. Absolute zero is just a mark on a temperature scale where all molecular activity stops.

I'm not a scientist but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Herein lies my core criticism of the Shallen regime. What is the plan?

Posted by: p1funk


Exactly! Mine too. They should announce what they're doing with McNabb, Portis and every other player on the roster. All the FA and UFA. Then they should announce which free agents they're targeting and how they rank the draft class. Maybe put out a powerpoint or publish the list on redskins.com. And next season, during home games, they should announce the upcoming plays over the PA system or have a "blitz song" the band can play so we're all kept abreast of every blitz they plan on running. You know, just so we're all on the same page and we all know "the plan."

Posted by: MrChip1 | January 13, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

lol, MrChip

Posted by: frediefritz | January 13, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Absolute zero is just a mark on a temperature scale where all molecular activity stops.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:25 PM

Brrrr...that would make it absolutely impossible for me to sweep my sidewalk.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 13, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Chirp,

That was good,

People need to realize no GM or coach tells the media or the fans the truth.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 13, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I've been calling him on it all day, he's the annonymous member of the SPG!

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 3:24 PM

If it works out...and you offer him a contract to officially join our gang...just make sure its an incentive laden deal tied to his schtick/prick ratio.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 13, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible to drop below "absolute" zero?

Any scientists out there that can help us with this one?


Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely!

Absolutely zero is below absolute zero.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 13, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

This is just BS so they can try to salvage a draft pick. Only problem is there are not many teams that want his baggage. I would not wait as long as we did last year for someone to trade. Try to trade early, if no one bites, release him and move on.

If it is not BS, we have another idiot general manager.

Posted by: sruppert | January 13, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

That sound you hear is the rest of the NFL GMs snickering at the idea that they are going to actually make any offers for AH...

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:18 PM |

Your missing the issue other teams that want AH might not be able to get him if they wait for him to be cut, so yes there will be teams willing to give a pick for AH.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 13, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

It's a nice move, but I don't think the other teams are buying it.

Still, nice try, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 13, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse


absolutely positively zero

Posted by: hessone | January 13, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

While leaving the car wash, I handed a used towel and a dollar tip to Devin Thomas. He dropped the towel, but held onto the money so it must have been Devin Thomas.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | January 13, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 2:27 PM ET, 01/13/2011
Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season
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this is the best news of the off-season so far

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | January 13, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Still asking ...

Is Mike Shanahan really just a Chinese mother? I swear I could see substituting a surprisingly small number of things in this article to make it about Shanny.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 13, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

key difference between Albert and Donovan is the contract.

Albert is reasonably priced -- a steal if he plays well. Since it is likely the last year of his current contract, he's more likely to be motivated.

Donovan's contract has him overpriced, even if he returns to form. Which is an 'if' that no GM or owner is going to ignore.

Which is why Albert has some trade value and Donovan doesn't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 13, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

True dcsween, next year will be Shanny's 2nd year but I don't consider last year to have been a rebuilding year. It was more a reshuffle than an attempt to rebuild. He just moved around all the dusty old furniture to new spots. This will be the 1st year that they start bringing in new pieces (hopefully)

Posted by: coparker5 | January 13, 2011 3:23 PM

They still need to sell tickets from one season to the next.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Allen did exactly what he was supposed to do, which was to say nothing. We won't know what the skins plans are for next season until we see the draft picks and FA acquisitions. We've already shorted our stock with McNabb and Haynesworth so what little of a hand we got, Allen's keeping it close to his chest. And quite frankly I'd be pissed he did tell, right know, it's nobody's business but the FOs right now as everything for next year is so fluid. There may not even be a season next year.

Posted by: clark202 | January 13, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sween- Alex Smith is 6'4 220 and has had a QB rating over 81 the last 2 YRs while throwing for 32 TDs and 22 INTs.

You can view his complete profile on match.com by simply joining.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

They still need to sell tickets from one season to the next.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 4:13 PM

Wonder how many season ticket holders are going to mail in checks next month with the lockout looming.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 13, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and I'll be the starting QB for the skins next year.

Posted by: COskins | January 13, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible to drop below "absolute" zero?

Any scientists out there that can help us with this one?


Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:10 PM

Only if the compressor in your freezer runs faster than the speed of light.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 13, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The other NFL teams will call Bruce's bluff. AH and DM will both be back. DM will be the starter. AH will play on passing downs....
And so it goes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 13, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

Which is why Albert has some trade value and Donovan doesn't.


So let me ask the 'Tard Question 'O the Day:

Is there some chance DM5 reconciles with the FO and gets a second time around as the redskin starting quarterback?



Posted by: MistaMoe | January 13, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Transition Albert to the offensive line. If he rejects the idea make him sit for another year. I would love to see him taking out his frustrations on opposing D-linemen in the running game. It would be nice to have some nasty added to the o-line.

Posted by: sonofliberty09 | January 13, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

John Fox is the new Broncos coach - sounds like Danny Smith may join him in Denver

"La Canfora reports, via a league source, that Washington Redskins special teams coach Danny Smith is a candidate to be the Broncos' special team coach.

Fox asked the Redskins for permission to interview Smith last year, when Fox was seeking a new special teams coordinator in Carolina at the time. The Redskins blocked the request, according to sources, but Smith declined to sign an extension with Washington and will be in essence a coaching free agent."

Posted by: skinswest | January 13, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

Which is why Albert has some trade value and Donovan doesn't.


So let me ask the 'Tard Question 'O the Day:

Is there some chance DM5 reconciles with the FO and gets a second time around as the redskin starting quarterback?

Posted by: MistaMoe

The divorce seems pretty much final to me. Skins won't want to pay Donovan twice what he'd get elsewhere.

Still, the best chance for the Skins to have a very good QB next year is for that QB to be Donovan.

But I can't see. DM5 goes to the place he thinks will revive his career -- probably AZ or SF, since they look like among the easier paths to a playoff. AZ is especially interesting with Larry Fitzgerald, who is probably still the best WR in football.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 13, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What constitutes a fair chance?

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Carlos Rogers Says He Hasn't Had 'A Fair Chance' With The Redskins
by Mike Prada • Jan 13, 2011 4:31 PM EST

"I've always been that second corner. I've played with Shawn Springs, I've played with Walt Harris, I've played with Fred Smoot, and now, I'm playing with [DeAngelo Hall]. I always played with a guy that they brung [sic.] in or already here, and they've always put me behind."

This means that, according to him, people are focusing on the things he can't do (catch the ball) instead of the things he can do (which is everything else, according to him).

"At this time, people focus on your negatives. As an agent and as a player, you want to focus on what you can do and what you can bring to a team. You can sit there and say, 'Interceptions.' That's all I hear, in my whole six-year career. 'Interceptions.' I didn't hear 'shut down receivers.' I didn't hear 'playing the nickel.' I didn't hear 'being a physical corner.' I didn't hear 'playing man a lot,' -- and here, I even played zone a lot. So you don't hear a lot of that. A lot of people focus on the negatives, and my thing here is to focus on the positives."


http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/1/13/1933348/carlos-rogers-redskins-free-agent-fair-chance

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 13, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

kerz, are you BLEEPING kidding me....guy is DELUSIONAL....start catching the ball. PERIOD...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 13, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Despite all the drama, Shanahan - the head of Washington's football operation - probably would rather retain Haynesworth than release him, because another team would likely sign the talented player."

Look, Mr. Mayor, unless you meant "trade" when you say "retain", I think you're going to need this advice before moving on from RI to a columnist:

A COLUMNIST SHOULD BE CONSISTENT.

This 180 crap is insane. These unfounded leaps in logic drive me crazy. Shanahan wants the player Haynesworth without the headcase Haynesworth (and vice versa for AH, probably). You can't say it's an irreparable relationship in one post and then say Shanny wants him here.

Good luck with the columizing, but take your time crafting positions.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 13, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I can FART better than Fat Albert....PLEASE LET HIM GO!

Posted by: ejharrisjr40 | January 13, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 13, 2011 4:49 PM

Kerz- people who know football know what Los can and can't do. He's a good not great player and he would be best served if he just kept his mouth shut.

He'll be in the 2nd teir of FA CBs behind Asomugha, Champ, & Eric Wright.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh pu-leese , if AH is on the team next season I'll eat his jock-strap ... Ok no I won't , but still can't imagine him on the team next year, not as sour as the relationship has gotten .. That stuff Allen is saying is probably just polite-speak, and maybe a smokescreen to (hopefully) scam other teams into thinking they'll have to make a trade if they want him (but can't imagine that working either) --- And I don't WANT that piece of s&*@ on the team , sure it'd be better to get something (anything) in a trade, but aside from the fact that AH is the ultimate symbol of everthing that was soooo wrong about the Snyder / Ceratto era , I just can't get that image of him laying there like a beached whale in that 2nd Philly game outa my head ... Yea I know it's unlikely AH could have caught Vick anyway (unless Vick just turned & ran right into him ) ,and not like it would have made any dif in what was already a blowout -- but that AH couldn't be bothered to even pretend to try (gosh guess he wasn't paid enough or something), so clearly didn't give a s*&@ , I just can't abide , cannot forgive & forget --- AH must go

Posted by: RoidRage | January 13, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I guy who doesn't get targeted is 2d tier? I don't think so. Carlos keeps his man from catching the ball or having the ball thrown his way. I'll take that over a few picks and a lot of long TDs any day.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 13, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

lh1- I with you on Los, just trying to avoid that DHall v Los discussion.

He's a 2nd tier FA compared to NA, Champ, and Eric Wright for sure. If you doubt that then you'll see for yourself when ever FA starts this YR.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

TRANSLATION; He will be worth more as a trade if other teams are tricked into thinking that we still want him

Posted by: Saladin3 | January 13, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

p1funk (wherever you are), I'm also a fan of Rogers and would re-sign him in a heartbeat. In a re-buildy defense, he's not a mid-stream horse that needs to be changed. Based on his performance (an actual pick) in the Jaguars game, he is officially trending toward more picks in my book. Whether he's always the second guy like he says or just second tier like Diesel44 says, he's just fine where he is and should be re-signed.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

2nd Tier FA with regards to the other players available. He's and a GOOD, not great player.

sween- is Alex Smith tall enough for you?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

keep fat albert. make him perform for his $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ if not dump him. this guy is good but needs attitude adjusments.

Posted by: pofinpa | January 13, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

He'll be in the 2nd teir of FA CBs behind Asomugha, Champ, & Eric Wright.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 4:59 PM

I know that Champ is UFA this season, but he is EXACTLY the kind of UFA that the Vinny Skins would have signed for too much money at this stage of his career. The only way someone of his veteran status should be on the roster is to serve the "veteran presence" role like Sharper did in New Orleans (though that didn't turn out to be so durable an idea this season).

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

sween- is Alex Smith tall enough for you?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 5:29 PM

He is ... and that seems like a lot of picks for QB rating to be that high (maybe I need to divide by two for two seasons). I'm intrigued by the possibilities ... but looking on match.com, I'm wondering whether Sage Rosenfels isn't more my type.

Posted by: dcsween | January 13, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

This is a funny post... all reports, including quotes from Shanahan himself, suggest Haynesworth won't even speak to his coach.

And McNabb's agent blasted the Shanahans, with McNabb saying he was OK with it.

It all sounds a littler personal.. then waa laa, in steps Bruce Allen sounding like a neutral observer or a mediator....

The offseason is always so much fun... You never know WHAT'S going to happen!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I would have rather Los be our no 1 CB and Hall no 2. We would have beat the Texans if Los had been covering Andre Johnson most the game over Hall.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 13, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if I can stand an entire day of WTEM talking about this tomorrow.

Pity the players who just do their job and do it well ..... no one but their mothers really gives a damn.

Posted by: tslats | January 13, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they should offer him a $500M contract with about $5M of it guaranteed and $450 in performance incentives?

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

keep fat albert. make him perform for his $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ if not dump him. this guy is good but needs attitude adjusments.

Posted by: pofinpa | January 13, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The assumption that AH will not bring a decent draft pick is based on the belief that Snyder is the only owner or decision maker boneheaded enough to make such a move. I can promise you that is not the case. I could definitely see him in a Raiders or Bungles uniform. Marv Lewis has certainly coached bigger knuckleheads.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 13, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb traded to Phoenix Suns

ESPN.com news services
ASHBURN, Va. -- Donovan McNabb has been traded to the Phoenix Suns of the NBA, according to unnamed sources in Ashburn. In exchange, Redskins will receive Steve Nash, who will take Graham Gano’s roster spot as place kicker. Gano was released earlier this morning.

Suns coach Alvin Gentry commented, “We’re excited about this trade. We’ve been watching Donovan for a while, and we’re confident that he’ll do great in the NBA. Here we play with a ball that actually bounces when you throw it to the ground. We think Donovan will be happy here.”

“This is a dream come true,” Nash said. “I’ve been practicing my place kicking for years, but nobody ever takes me seriously. Why do you think I left the Mavs? Cuban would never let me kick.” Nash was seen earlier this week entering a well-known D.C. dinery in the company of Bruce Allen and Daniel Snyder. “You never know what’s going to happen,” Allen commented. “We’ve always said Steve Nash could be on our roster next season.” Head Coach Mike Shanahan had no comment, but our sources reveal Special Teams coach Danny Smith is delighted.

Redskins Insider’s Research Department discovered this video of Nash’s kicking skills:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6cLDvQvc8E

No doubt Redskins fans can look forward to Nash kicking three-pointers for years to come.

Posted by: SonofNero | January 13, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I understand the Redskins strategy with extending McNabb's contract. But unfortunately it may well come to be a poor decision.

Here's a question: which would you rather have (and remember, this was a decision that the Redskins made after the coaching staff seemed to have soured on him, having already benched him).

A) Give him $3.5 MM this year, plus sign him up for a ridiculous salary next year that no team will trade for. They get the right to release McNabb up until the 1st game. However, given that the CBA won't be in place until August, this isn't really that much of an advantage (if that's not obvious to everyone, I can explain further). 2011 best case: 4th or 5th round pick.

B) Say nice things to McNabb about his play, but don't resign him. He goes to another team and Redskins get up to a 3rd round compensatory pick. 2011 best case: 3rd round pick.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 13, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope the reporters were wearing their waders when that deluge of BS came running downstream from Redskins Park.

Posted by: loux24 | January 13, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Token,
I'll take the $45M, even it's just rounding error.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 13, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"but aside from the fact that AH is the ultimate symbol of everthing that was soooo wrong about the Snyder / Ceratto era , I just can't get that image of him laying there like a beached whale in that 2nd Philly game outa my head ... Yea I know it's unlikely AH could have caught Vick anyway (unless Vick just turned & ran right into him ) ,and not like it would have made any dif in what was already a blowout -- but that AH couldn't be bothered to even pretend to try (gosh guess he wasn't paid enough or something), so clearly didn't give a s*&@ , I just can't abide , cannot forgive & forget --- AH must go "

You're an idiot.

Not only did he have a leg cramp but he had no chance of catching Vick unless he was standing still like when AH sacked him in the first game.

That's why players get contracts so they don't have to deal with whimsical idiots like you.

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Quarterback A:

Height: 6-1 Weight: 236 Age: 30

Career stats:
Comp: 598
Attempts: 1104
Pct: 54.2%
Yds: 7,801
Avg: 6.4
TDs: 40
INTs: 40
QB Rtg: 70.9
FUM: 42
Lost: 14

Quarterback B:

Height: 6-2 Weight: 225 Age: 31

Career stats:
Comp: 5118
Attempts: 913
Pct: 56.0%
Yds: 5,930
Avg: 6.5
TDs: 35
INTs: 30
QB Rtg: 74.9
FUM: 28
Lost: 14


QB A = Rex Grossman
QB B = Patrick Ramsey

The more things change, the more they stay the same!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Comp: 511 (vice 5118)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Gimme a break - this can't be serious - hasn't this team had enough drama to last a lifetime? As a fan, I sure have. If they even try and 'salvage' this lump, I swear I'm using my Redskins Tee's and apparel for wiping up over overflowed toilets or doggy accidents cause that would be their most appropriate use - get it right cause this has gone on for waaaay too long. disgusting.

Posted by: whelms1 | January 13, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Alex Smith is big enough.

We should bring him into training camp, but Locker will be drafted by us.

book it

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

If Fat Al is brought back I'm leaving some "Upper Deckers" in Danny-Boys, Bruce's, and both Shanahan's bathrooms.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 13, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Pat Shurmur New Browns Coach | John Fox Coach for Boncos

Meanwhile, not hired Rooney Rule interviewee coaches are using the word 're-tread' like it was a racial epithet.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 13, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

We have a Coach that can destroy, we have a GM that can fix.

Posted by: abxinc | January 13, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Quarterback A:

Height: 6-1 Weight: 236 Age: 30

Career stats:
Comp: 598
Attempts: 1104
Pct: 54.2%
Yds: 7,801
Avg: 6.4
TDs: 40
INTs: 40
QB Rtg: 70.9
FUM: 42
Lost: 14

Quarterback B:

Height: 6-2 Weight: 225 Age: 31

Career stats:
Comp: 5118
Attempts: 913
Pct: 56.0%
Yds: 5,930
Avg: 6.5
TDs: 35
INTs: 30
QB Rtg: 74.9
FUM: 28
Lost: 14


QB A = Rex Grossman
QB B = Patrick Ramsey

The more things change, the more they stay the same!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Poster A:
Complete D-Bag
hates himself
Career getting laid % - 0.00
Negativity rating- 100%
Years in mom's basement- 15

Poster B:
Complete D-Bag
Also hates himself
Career Getting Laid %- 0.00
Negativity rating- 100%
Years in mom's basement-15

Poster A= Alan4

Poster B= pabrian2003

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

What what in the butt. I said what what in the butt.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 13, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, is that supposed to be humor or an insult?

You should probably stick with your off-the-mark predictions. They're at least remotely entertaining, el payaso.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

If that fat, lazy POS is back next year, I'm done with the Skins. Dan the man can kiss my third leg!

Posted by: jeffc6578 | January 13, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, is that supposed to be humor or an insult?

You should probably stick with your off-the-mark predictions. They're at least remotely entertaining, el payaso.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

A little bit of both. I think everyone is tired of your doom and gloom posts.

Everyone loves my predictions.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

QB A = Rex Grossman
QB B = Patrick Ramsey

The more things change, the more they stay the same!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 6:25 PM


Surely even you understand the difference between the bargain basement signing of a veteran FA with experience in the new system you're implementing and a 1st round pick that you're counting on to be the face of your franchise for a decade or more...

Oh wait...you're the guy who sees a two time SB winner as an abject failure. Nevermind...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 13, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

A little bit of both. I think everyone is tired of your doom and gloom posts.

Everyone loves my predictions.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:00 PM

Good to know you speak for everyone. Can I join your cult?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, What a Tangled Web We Weave When We Practice To Deceive ! ............. HAIL !!

Posted by: killerskunk63 | January 13, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait...you're the guy who sees a two time SB winner as an abject failure. Nevermind...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 13, 2011 7:07 PM

When you debate those voices in your head, who wins?

Heckuva job, Brownie.

We had this discussion just yesterday, so I know you didn't forget, and I'm sure you wouldn't lie ("abject failure") just for effect... that would be utter dooshbaggery!:

______________________

As for Shanahan, he is what he is: a solid HC who is being undermined by his own crappy personnel decisions. Alan4 is so blinded by hate for MS, he can't even get off a compelling argument or resist trying to tear down the man's accomplishments.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 7:31 AM

I don't hate Shanahan, he is what he is: an up and down coach who has been more down than up since Elway retired in 1998. He's not bad, but he's not an elite coach anymore.

I've expressed that a million different ways, but there are a few people here who prompt me to defend my opinion over and over again, so it seems like I hate him.

And Brownie, I remember having this exact same conversation with you about McNabb looong ago, when I told you he wasn't up to snuff anymore. You had a lot of choice names for me then, ITA, etc.

I call it like I see it, too bad if that offends some of you.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 9:08 AM

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

A little bit of both. I think everyone is tired of your doom and gloom posts.

Everyone loves my predictions.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:00 PM

Good to know you speak for everyone. Can I join your cult?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 13, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

To join my cult Alan, you need to show at least 2 weeks of optimism. Then I will consult the Tribunal and we will take a vote.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Alan4,

you won't defend Mike Shanahan despite the fact that he has a decent resume and was given a POOPY roster.

yet you defend Jason Campbell despite the fact that he has a putrid resume and was given a POOPY roster.

The Deisel44 was right...it's so easy to reverse your own argument against you, yet it goes over your head. heh heh.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

To join my cult Alan, you need to show at least 2 weeks of optimism. Then I will consult the Tribunal and we will take a vote.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:21 PM

2 weeks? How about back to back posts?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Way to stay on topic Alan...no mention whatsoever of comparing a serviceable veteran backup to a failed 1st rounder who can't place higher than 3rd on anyone's roster right now. Just the Shanahan rant from yesterday. At least you're consistent...

Just caught up to the Danny Smith post from earlier...kinda hope that's true and we can get a guy in here to actually coach up these kickers. Yet there's another part of me that thinks we can always find a way to do worse and then pine for the days of Danny Smith...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 13, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

To join my cult Alan, you need to show at least 2 weeks of optimism. Then I will consult the Tribunal and we will take a vote.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:21 PM

2 weeks? How about back to back posts?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Alan could use some sunshine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen is trying to salvage some value from the mess Shanahan created with his poor handling of Haynesworth and McNabb. Proof that Shanahan is not ready to be a GM - you don't undermine the trade value of a player and then expect to gain value back. Allen should make the personnel decisions - he has a more of a business persona and knows that you can win the battle but lose the war. Allen is more of the strategic thinker, what is in the long-term interest of the team. I'd like to see McNabb back too, and Kyle's friend Rex somewhere else since Kyle seems unable to be objective about Rex's limitations.

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Posted by: addjian16 | January 13, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Wake up people....Of course Allen is gonna say Haynesworth could be back. Not that he has much trade value at all, but it drops to zero if we just announce we will be releasing him in the off season.

Even a 4th or 5th rounder is better than nothing at all.

Posted by: skins91r | January 13, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Dan the man can kiss my third leg!

You have three legs?

You poor man!

You and the Elephant Man must share the same cage in the same circus.

You must tell us how it is to be a freak in a world that just gone freakin' nuts.

You must explain to us how you buy pants.

You must tell us which leg goes in first as you obviously don't put them in one leg at a time as we two-legged bloggas do.

And besides....

You don't need a football team to support.

You need a Jerry Lewis telethon to get money so you can support yourself.

Dan the Man can support himself, trust me.

And as for kisses, well, you may have a third leg for him.

All we have is azz.

And he's free to kiss that all he wants.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 13, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Just caught up to the Danny Smith post from earlier...kinda hope that's true and we can get a guy in here to actually coach up these kickers. Yet there's another part of me that thinks we can always find a way to do worse and then pine for the days of Danny Smith...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 13, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

You mean like the people who hated Blache, but now want him back?

But how do you coach kickers?

Tell them to kick it through the goalposts?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"Oh wait...you're the guy who sees a two time SB winner as an abject failure. Nevermind..."

LOL yep that formula sure worked for Joe Gibbs.

Just bring him in and watch he SB trophies stack up!

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: madmoe1 | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you folks but I feel I can trust addjian16. This poster makes a very compelling and articulate reason "to stop your progress in your choice."

addijan- I'll take cheesiest Ed Hardy t-shirt you have in a medium. Can I just give you my credit card info on RI?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Seriously though...as it's well known I was once created as a sock-puppet from someones imagination, just as much as ChiaPet or RedDMV, but we sock-puppets have existed here for longer than you think. The problem is that once you overdose on being a sock-puppet, it gets harder to control which one appears on any given night. I can't even remember my creator, just the guy I came to replace: frak

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

tokenwhitemale

This screen suggests that you are a player on a team in the NBA, right?

The only other toking white male I ever knew was usually too high to play basketball.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 13, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you folks but I feel I can trust addjian16. This poster makes a very compelling and articulate reason "to stop your progress in your choice."

addijan- I'll take cheesiest Ed Hardy t-shirt you have in a medium. Can I just give you my credit card info on RI?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse
Does addijan take Diners Club?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Does addijan take Diners Club?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:04 PM

Or RI points?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Ok quick you serious Redskins fans, name the coaches who have won a SuperBowl. Only 31 of them.

Without googling!
Let me go first, my idea:
Shanahan, Gibbs, Noll, Belichick, Ditka, Dungy, Gruden, Cowher, Shula, Billick, Seifert, Walsh, Holmgren, Lombardi :)

I'm whiffing on the Tuna's real name, the former announcer with the big mouth, the Rams coach(?!) and most if not all of the AFC teams.

...but seriously out of that list there *HAS* to be someone who we can bring in and win us a couple of SBs real quick :)

Point being if not any of the others besides Shanahan, if you wouldn't even consider them, then why *Shanahan*? The sheer fact that he won 2 SBs 10 years go means squat! Maybe we should lure Elway out of retirement too!

Here's your basic problem. If MACNABB is the best free-agent QB you can pick up, and MACNABB has never won the SB, why think that he's going to beat any of the active QBs who HAVE won the SB like Brady, either of the Mannings, or Brees, much less Rivers or any of the top-notch QBs in the league right now?

I think that you saw the logical implications of that trade. Not to mention the Curse of Dan Snyder: we get rid of guys and they do well on other teams! Even Neon Deion won a SB ring with the Ravens after leaving the Skins and the guy was 137 years old. My question is just how stupid do you have to be to work in the Skins front office?

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that Mike Shanahan is over the hill but the last time he was in the Super Bowl:

-Bill Clinton was being impeached

-tv's and computer monitors came in big tubes

-internet was still dial-up with some company with the weird name of AOL

-Jerry Seinfeld was still funny/relevant

-cell phones had just stop being brick sized

-not only was Google not a verb, it wasn't even a company

-houses were worth more than the mortgages on them

-Bernie Madoff was on the Board of Governors of NASDAQ

-pagers were banned in schools

-gold was $280 (today $1370)

-crude oil was $12 (today $90)

-Michael Jordan was still a world champion Chicago Bull

-MTV still played music videos

-Sarah Palin was the newly elected mayor of Wasillia

-Superman could still find a public phone booth to change in

-Ted Turner and Jane Fonda were still controversial

-Barack Obama was an unknown state senator from Illinois

Posted by: 54465446 | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse


Who is Bruce Allen and why should I care what he says? I thought the Shanahans ran the team.


Posted by: mortified469 | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

...last but not least...

We could have had Vick cheap, but no. We had to trade for the guy who got replaced so that Vick could be the backup QB. Then we bench him for 4 games while Vick takes the Eagles to the playoffs again. In a year where even the Giants didn't make it, with a 10-6 record.

Meanwhile the Seahawks win their division by one game over Oakland both teams with 7-9 records, with Oakland starting the guy we traded away and the Ravens picking up our former head coach to coach their 2nd year QB and going to the AFC championship.

Tell me who did not see that coming? I'll tell ya, Dan Snyders' cellphone number must be on auto-answer around the league.

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

My question is just how stupid do you have to be to work in the Skins front office?

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:13 PM

You seem to be plenty stupid.

Send your resume to:
Washington Redskins
21300 Redskin Park Drive
Ashburn, VA 20147
Attn: Dan Snyder

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

But how do you coach kickers?

Tell them to kick it through the goalposts?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM

Like most fooballers up here, you were probably never a kicker.

A good kicking coach is like a good swing coach for a golfer - proper technique, alignment, training - all that...

Posted by: edvar | January 13, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

But how do you coach kickers?

Tell them to kick it through the goalposts?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:00 PM

Like most fooballers up here, you were probably never a kicker.

A good kicking coach is like a good swing coach for a golfer - proper technique, alignment, training - all that...

Posted by: edvar | January 13, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I never played football.

Basketball and track.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

54465446


I dialed this number on my brick-sized cellphone.

The person who answered said the last Mike Shanahan coached in a Super Bowl, moodlymoodlymoo was still a blogga in RI.

I guess that is a long time.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 13, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskins return specialist Brandon Banks (@bbanks16) "If I lose Danny smith as my special coach I'm gonna go crazy and that's a fact!!!!!" and later " Danny smith gave me my opportunity!!!! He went to battle for me when it came to a decision!"

Washington Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan said last week that he intended to keep his staff intact. Maybe Smith will be subject to a bidding war for his services.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I never played football.

Basketball and track.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:23 PM

So then you DEFINITELY were never a kicker...

Anyway, there's a lot you can work on to improve a kicker's technique. The diminishing return comes eventually from what's between his ears...

Posted by: edvar | January 13, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Like most fooballers up here, you were probably never a kicker.

Posted by: edvar | January 13, 2011 8:21 PM

beep-beep had a torid love triangle with the kicker and punter while at Duke..

Does that give him cred?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Redskins return specialist Brandon Banks (@bbanks16) "If I lose Danny smith as my special coach I'm gonna go crazy and that's a fact!!!!!" and later " Danny smith gave me my opportunity!!!! He went to battle for me when it came to a decision!"

Washington Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan said last week that he intended to keep his staff intact. Maybe Smith will be subject to a bidding war for his services.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Make Brandon Banks happy!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep had a torid love triangle with the kicker and punter while at Duke..

Does that give him cred?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:38 PM


Cred? Nope.

But I'm betting he was relieved when they got the ball back out of his gerbil hole - not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: edvar | January 13, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What if I have diminishing returns between my ears, can I still join your cult? And when did Kinsey punt for Duke, 1962? That explains a lot.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 13, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse


My question is just how stupid do you have to be to work in the Skins front office?

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:13 PM |
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all you need is a diploma from duke university

Posted by: hessone | January 13, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I've been too busy to read up here last week or two, has anyone heard anything about Banks's knee and how he expects it to recover in the offseason? Hope he doesn't lose his cowbell. Gotta have more cowbell!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 13, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I hate Wes Welker for the 52-7 drubbing they gave us in 2007 and him primarily for spiking the ball like he won the SB when they were up 45-7. Anyways this is funny...He references the word foot 11x in a press conference about this weeks game.

http://deadspin.com/5732917/wes-welker-makes-11-references-to-feet-in-one-press-conference?skyline=true&s=i

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

speaking of which, where the he11 did moodlymoodlymoo go, anyway?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 13, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile the Seahawks win their division by one game over Oakland both teams with 7-9 records, with Oakland starting the guy we traded away and the Ravens picking up our former head coach to coach their 2nd year QB and going to the AFC championship.

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM


Hey, kids! See how many factual errors you can find in the above sentence. It's fun!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 13, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton has declared for the draft. He'll make more than the 200k he did last YR but hopefully he'll be some other team's mistake.

By the time he's ready to play, Auburn will have been stripped of it's BS National Championship.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Allegedly Diesel,...Allegedly.

Lest you wannabe called racist, dummy.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Allegedly Diesel,...Allegedly.

Lest you wannabe called racist, dummy.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 9:22 PM

Stupid never sleeps.

Posted by: mack1 | January 13, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 9:22 PM

I actually have more hate for Blaine Flabbert and Ryan "dumb as a" Mallett. So does make me a racist, dummy?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Paaleease!

That's trade bait talk we all know that.

Beside FA will be over 400lbs before training camp starts anyway. We know that too.

Posted by: Jaymand | January 13, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

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Pure agony mack1 as always...friggin creep

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I actually have more hate for Blaine Flabbert and Ryan "dumb as a" Mallett. So does make me a racist, dummy?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 9:25 PM

Realize who you're talking to and move along. Tainty the Clown takes on many names.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 13, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The Diesel44, reverse racism is a myth! I just searched the world wide web and couldn't find one news story about a hate crime committed against your kind

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml

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So to answer your question: No, dummy!

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

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Pure agony mack1 as always...friggin creep

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 13, 2011 9:34 PM

As usual, love the adornments! Mostly I love the idea of a sad, simple man hunched over his keyboard pecking away with the plus key, trying to get both rows perfectly even.

Posted by: mack1 | January 13, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Herein lies my core criticism of the Shallen regime. What is the plan?

Posted by: p1funk


Exactly! Mine too. They should announce what they're doing with McNabb, Portis and every other player on the roster. All the FA and UFA. Then they should announce which free agents they're targeting and how they rank the draft class. Maybe put out a powerpoint or publish the list on redskins.com. And next season, during home games, they should announce the upcoming plays over the PA system or have a "blitz song" the band can play so we're all kept abreast of every blitz they plan on running. You know, just so we're all on the same page and we all know "the plan."

Posted by: MrChip1 | January 13, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff MrChip

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 13, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

He references the word foot 11x in a press conference about this weeks game.

http://deadspin.com/5732917/wes-welker-makes-11-references-to-feet-in-one-press-conference?skyline=true&s=i

Posted by: Diesel44 |

that's hilarious. How far do we have to go to get the first down? oh about a foot.

Posted by: rodskin | January 13, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Willie harris!!

Posted by: 15of18 | January 13, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Willie Harris!!

Posted by: 15of18 | January 13, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Willie Harris!!

Posted by: 15of18 | January 13, 2011 10:45 PM

But at 15 you'd probably settle for a hairy willie.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 13, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile the Seahawks win their division by one game over Oakland both teams with 7-9 records, with Oakland starting the guy we traded away and the Ravens picking up our former head coach to coach their 2nd year QB and going to the AFC championship.

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM


Hey, kids! See how many factual errors you can find in the above sentence. It's fun!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 13, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I will give it a try
1. Seahawks and Oakland not only are not in same division they are not in the same conference
2. Oakland finished 8-8
3. Flacco (Raven QB) is in his 3rd year
4. Ravens are not going to AFC championship unless they beat Pitt, they play Div round this week.

Did I miss any?

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 13, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile the Seahawks win their division by one game over Oakland both teams with 7-9 records, with Oakland starting the guy we traded away and the Ravens picking up our former head coach to coach their 2nd year QB and going to the AFC championship.

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM


Hey, kids! See how many factual errors you can find in the above sentence. It's fun!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 13, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I will give it a try
1. Seahawks and Oakland not only are not in same division they are not in the same conference
2. Oakland finished 8-8
3. Flacco (Raven QB) is in his 3rd year
4. Ravens are not going to AFC championship unless they beat Pitt, they play Div round this week.

Did I miss any?

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 13, 2011 10:54 PM

So tokenwhitemale turns out to be notsotokenwhitejackass

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 13, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen Explains The Free Agent Evaluation Process
Posted Jan 13th 2011 1:44PM by Matt Terl (author feed)

Redskins general manager Bruce Allen is doing the media rounds today, talking to various media outlets in various groupings, and doing a bang-up job of keeping his cards close to the vest despite doing a whole bunch of talking.

Between here and Redskins.com, there'll be a few different posts on this, but here was one thing that jumped out at me right away: how the Redskins evaluate pro free agents, and where they are in that process.
Larry Weisman was the one who asked the question -- how much input does head coach Mike Shanahn have, does Allen have, does owner Daniel Snyder have -- and Allen's answer was interesting.

"The evaluation starts with [director of pro personnel] Morocco Brown," he said, "and our pro department will have written up every player in the league. We'll start doing film review with the entire coaching staff on each player.

"Mike likes involving all of the assistants and getting their opinions," Allen continued, "and maybe they saw one game tape that a scout didn't see. We'll get everybody's opinion, we'll start to work on some models of if Player X fit in here at Position Y, how does that balance our team versus Model B, in which Player X is at a different position? We'll keep throwing those models up, and it really will be a joint decision on how do we add to this football team."

Allen paused here as if he was finished, then seemed to remember the rest of Weisman's question and said, almost as an afterthought, "Dan's not involved. He'll be informed on what's going on, and he cares, but he doesn't make the decisions on who we sign."

I asked if involving the coaching staff was part of why there was a trend toward bringing in players that coaches had familiarity with -- Rex Grossman, Ryan Torain, and Kory Lichtensteiger being obvious examples -- and Allen laughed. "That's been going on for some time," he said. "When my dad came here in '71, he brought half the Rams with him."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 13, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

This is good for a little laugh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru47OkDKzxg

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 13, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

from ESPN:

The 'pukes have gone after a big name with a big personality to interview to become their next defensive coordinator.

Rob Ryan, whose brother, Rex, coaches the New York Jets, will come in to interview, according to a source.

... Last thing I want to see is Rob Ryan as DC for the 'pukes. Would rather see him here ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2011 2:36 AM | Report abuse

What is REALLY going to make me REALLY mad about Fat Albert is if he goes to, let's say Indianapolis (to complement 'The Bookends' there) or ends up in Dallas or with the NY Giants and goes back to being good again.

I'd rather see him getting fatter on our sideline. No question.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 14, 2011 3:28 AM | Report abuse

This is the best news of the week. I so wanna see Haynesworth and the Shannys in a cage match next season. You wanna bet it goes to the judges' scorecards?

Posted by: laboo | January 14, 2011 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff in the BA post, scamp. Glad to see the grown ups are running things...especially involving Morocco Brown in the process a lot more. Hope we reap the benefits of his rise in stature...I'd hate to see him go elsewhere and become the next Scott Pioli...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 5:19 AM | Report abuse

My question is just how stupid do you have to be to work in the Skins front office?

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:13 PM |
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all you need is a diploma from duke university

Posted by: hessone | January 13, 2011 8:50 PM

he$$one, didn't you post yesterday that Duke was a "dead horse"? Do you think you've managed to reanimate it?

As I understand it, the owner of the Redskins went to the University of Maryland. Based on the team's record, I'd guess there are no Duke graduates there. Totally Terp, from the looks of things. Why don't you organize a boycott, he$$one?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 6:42 AM | Report abuse


Why don't you organize a boycott, he$$one?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 6:42 AM |
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talk about a dead horse

Posted by: hessone | January 14, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Who cares? Let him go screw-up another team.....

Posted by: bucsdad1 | January 14, 2011 6:50 AM | Report abuse

What is REALLY going to make me REALLY mad about Fat Albert is if he goes to, let's say Indianapolis (to complement 'The Bookends' there) or ends up in Dallas or with the NY Giants and goes back to being good again.

I'd rather see him getting fatter on our sideline. No question.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 14, 2011 3:28 AM

`

Oh Snap!

Cosign +1

For as long as Albert's contract exists make him keep showing up to Ashburn every year. If he runs his mouth or doesn't participate, suspend him again w/o pay for conduct detrimental to the team and keep doing it.

Please for the love of God, don't let this guy win. The only way i'd be happy with him leaving is if we get something for him at least a 4th rounder at this point.

And has anyone heard that clip of Shanahan getting antsy with the media when they keep asking him questions about Albert? It was something like "[How many times are you guys gonna reword the same question? Do you wanna talk about anybody else on the roster?]"

It's funny to me that the media feels blame free here as if they are not the ones who keep asking about the same person when football is a team game and they could ask Mike about the rest of the team.

Fact1: The fans are tired of talking about Albert. Fact2: The team is tired of talking about Albert. The media? Fact3: No they wanna keep talking about Albert. Put it this way: If the media didn't mention Albert Haynesworth. How exactly is his name gonna come up?

Decipher what you want...

Posted by: Vicc | January 14, 2011 6:51 AM | Report abuse


he$$one, didn't you post yesterday that Duke was a "dead horse"?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 6:42 AM |
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duke isn't a dead horse, you posting everyday about it is the dead horse.

Posted by: hessone | January 14, 2011 6:55 AM | Report abuse

duke isn't a dead horse, you posting everyday about it is the dead horse.

Posted by: hessone | January 14, 2011 6:55 AM

And when you or Diesel44 post about Duke it's a sprightly stallion? It's only when I respond to you guys with your Duke-hate that it's a dead horse?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss something? What's with all the Duke sh*t all of a sudden? I get that you went there Beep, but surely you understand that a Redskins blog with be full of locals...and therefore, people who either like MD or hate the ACC altogether. Come to think of it, I don't know of anyone that likes Dukies that aren't actually Dukies...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44

By the time he's (Cam Newton) ready to play, Auburn will have been stripped of it's BS National Championship.

Thing is, after Newton is stripped of his Heisman, do you think the NCAA and Auburn U will stop selling his jersey, image, and likeness for profit?

No.

The NCAA grand poo-boohs should see the lil money Newton--and others--got while in college as a down payment on the huge return they re-coup in memorablia sales.

They make millions.

And all the Division 1 football star gets is his 'education'?

Whatever that it.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Moe- College football = The dirtiest business in America.

On another note, I'm thinking of changing my season during the offseason.

Perhaps iH8duke.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 14, 2011 7:26 AM | Report abuse

* and by season I mean handle.

I could use some coffee.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 14, 2011 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Great post Moe...the mafia has NOTHING on the NCAA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

vicc

The fans are tired of talking about Albert.

Amen.

And why does Reid keep attaching the adjective 'talented' to the noun Haynesworth?

J Peppers is talented.

J Tuck is talented.

N Suh is talented.

J Babineaux is talented.

J Ratliff is talented.

H Ngata is talented.

C Hampton is talented.

BJ Raji is talented.

J Cesaire is talented.

Albert Hanyesworth hasn't shown anything like what these players have shown.

If he is as talented , we wouldn't know it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I could use some coffee.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 14, 2011 7:29 AM

Probably you could have used a Duke education, but it's clear why you got turned down.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

a lot of J's on that list.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 14, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'd go a step further...

Kedric Golston is talented.

Howard Green is talented.

Anthony Montgomery is talented.

While some are more talented than others, anyone who puts on an NFL uniform has displayed at a bare minimum, raw talent. What keeps guys in the NFL and what makes them productive is WORK ETHIC, not natural ability.

If AH ever got that memo, he would have never left TN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 7:46 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

If AH ever got that memo, he would have never left TN...

Amen, brownie, amen.

There are guys who'd give anything to be on an NFL roster.

AH is and doesn't give a sh!t.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss something? What's with all the Duke sh*t all of a sudden? I get that you went there Beep, but surely you understand that a Redskins blog with be full of locals...and therefore, people who either like MD or hate the ACC altogether. Come to think of it, I don't know of anyone that likes Dukies that aren't actually Dukies...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 7:06 AM
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Well, you'll note that this Duke rhetoric picked up after basketball season. There was little mentioned about Duke during football season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Ah, beep went to Duke, that explains A LOT!!!

Because of this new information, I'll have to revoke his SPG membership, even though just yesterday alone he met his monthly schtick/prick quota, especially the prick part.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Probably you could have used a Duke education, but it's clear why you got turned down.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 7:42 AM

Probably...but we will always have this to warm our poorly educated little hearts...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3035889069_4e454eb5a3.jpg

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I could use some coffee.

The best cup o' coffee for a man with a woman is to wake up to some early morning 'choochie-coo'.

I tried to get some this morning, but mrsmoe was too busy pouring a cup for some other dude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

moe, when do pitchers/catchers report....

forced to choose, I'm going Steelers, Pats, Hawks', and Packers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Haha, PA...well played, dude...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

beantown

when do pitchers/catchers report

About two weeks after the Super Bowl.

The cards and marlins train about 15 minutes from where I sit right now.

And I'm not looking forward to the baseball season this year as I sense the Yanks will finish in the middle of the AL East.

The Yanks don't have the pitching and will try to get by with minor league types as 4th/5th pitchers--yikes!!!!!!!

The O's will be very good.

The Rays will stay strong.

The Jays will improve.

and, of course, that baseball team in Bahstun should dominate.

And that's what scares me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

fellows, fellows...calm down. its all posturing. how do you expect the skins to salvage anything out of all these mistakes if they don't seem willing to keep mcnabb and haney on the team. stay off brucey for now, because the way i see it, he's playing the hand the only way he possible. so lets chill.......

Posted by: dannyandvinnymustgo | January 14, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

fellows, fellows...calm down. its all posturing. how do you expect the skins to salvage anything out of all these mistakes if they don't seem willing to keep mcnabb and haney on the team. stay off brucey for now, because the way i see it, he's playing the hand the only way possible. so lets chill.......

Posted by: dannyandvinnymustgo | January 14, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

fellows, fellows...calm down. ..... stay off brucey for now, because the way i see it, he's playing the hand the only way he possible. so lets chill.......

Posted by: dannyandvinnymustgo | January 14, 2011 8:45 AM


Yeah, we're in a near state of panic here listening to Moe talk about the 2011 AL East.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3035889069_4e454eb5a3.jpg

Posted by: PlayAction

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!! Reminds me of the lil' "I HATE FOOTBALL" dude.


Any room on the 'F' Duke train? Not to be confused with that train.


Shout outs to the Duke Lacrosse team.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

moe, just talking about it makes me think that spring will get here sooner.....should be a good year...disagree on the rays, they got eviscerated....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

To join my cult Alan, you need to show at least 2 weeks of optimism. Then I will consult the Tribunal and we will take a vote.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:21 PM

(Day 1)

Man, it's nice to have a first-round pick this year! I just know we'll get at least one top notch player who will pay dividends for years in the draft.

We have a head coach with 2 SBs, plus 2 QBs on the roster who have played in SBs! They know how to win!

Did ya'll know Bruce Allen won the George Young Executive of the Year in 2002 with the Raiders?

Oooh, the pieces are falling right into place nicely.

Awesome!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

because the way i see it, he's playing the hand the only way he possible...


I beg to differ.

Life is not about the F up, it's about how you respond to it.

The team could've traded AH on two occasions, but decided not to.

The team decided to trade for McNabb, then realized he was indeed a flawed quarterback assisted in Philly by superb playmakers on the edges.

So, how does the team recover from these two obvious F's?

Can it trade two players most folks really don't want?

Or: does it say, "F it," and try to reconcile with one and trade the other for three magic beans and a ham sammich?

I say reconcilation will come with one.

And a meal of beans and a ham sammich will come with the other.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 8:30 AM

That and the photo of Bill Parcells blank stare with the Redskins 35 Cowboys 7 scoreboard in the background are certainly my all-time favorites...

...I'm thinking right about now beeps is furiously scouring the internet for a picture to counter...unfortunately no such image exists...the Duke crying kid is a classic...and in no way can be topped.

Hope you're right about the Os moe...you couldn't fill a minor league stadium with the fans that come out to Camden Yards lately...except when the Yanks and Sox are in town...I've been to one game in the past two years...it's just not the same.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Oooh, the pieces are falling right into place nicely.

Awesome!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 8:53 AM

Haha...NO WAY you make it two weeks Alan...however the SPG has an opening...and our requirements are fairly simple...you will need to increase your schtick ratio though.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

pa, be thankful you can get to games, up here the only way you get into Fenway, is if you sell a kidney to buy tickets, or you're an 'extra' in the movie The Town.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

This is good for a little laugh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru47OkDKzxg

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 13, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, kerz, that is hilarious. Don't miss it!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

PA

Buck Showalter did a great job with that team when he took over last year.

If I remember right, the O's have some decent young pitching and three good hitters.

They will improve as will the Nats.

And all the people who hate baseball, will suddenly change heart in D.C-Ballmer if two winning teams are in the area.


Book it!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The person who answered said the last Mike Shanahan coached in a Super Bowl, moodlymoodlymoo was still a blogga in RI.

I guess that is a long time.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 13, 2011 8:28 PM

moodlymoodlymoo is actually kind of new school. Old school would be peeps like Megskin, PubGolf, ArtMonkToTheSticks, PDiddy, and, of course, Old School, not to mention the poster formerly known as "Greg(Boston)" ...

True fact: Chevy Chase was a cast member on Saturday Night Live for one season ... John Belushi for four seasons ... and Kevin Nealon for ten.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'd go a step further...

Kedric Golston is talented.

Howard Green is talented.

Anthony Montgomery is talented.

While some are more talented than others, anyone who puts on an NFL uniform has displayed at a bare minimum, raw talent. What keeps guys in the NFL and what makes them productive is WORK ETHIC, not natural ability.

If AH ever got that memo, he would have never left TN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 7:46 AM
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Brown, if it was as simple as work ethic, there'd be a lot of brown baggers in the hall of fame. It's hard to quantify all of the things that go into a good football player's resume. I agree that Haynesworth had a lot of the things that make players great and work ethic was a deficiency. I think players also have to have a passion for the game to play at a high level, and not just a passion for the big pay day. I question Haynesworth's passion for the game. A player who only wants to play his way, and not the coach's, is bound to be unsuccessful in the long run - even if he is a man-monster when he wants to be.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

pa, be thankful you can get to games, up here the only way you get into Fenway, is if you sell a kidney to buy tickets, or you're an 'extra' in the movie The Town.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 9:00 AM

I bet...I miss when the stadium would be packed...but you could still get tickets...its a snoozefest there the past several years...I prefer to goto the minor league games around here...alot cheaper and more for the kids to do...and I don't think they know the difference anyway haha.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Any room on the 'F' Duke train? Not to be confused with that train.

Shout outs to the Duke Lacrosse team.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2011 8:51 AM

LOL...cold blooded, dude. But hilarious nonetheless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

moodlymoodlymoo is actually kind of new school.

That guy madmoe1 was trying to be sarcastic and funny.

Not that he ever is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

So out of the 9 teams that pick before the Skins who do you think will go after a college QB?

If the management signs a couple of offensive linemen during freeagency I imagine the fan base will be jumping back onto the ShanAllen band wagon.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

^21^

FREE Albert Haynesworth.

The Redskins blew it with him, now let him go and watch him in the Pro Bowl next year. I'll be at Redskins Park with my #92 all season. As soon as I find out what team he will play for.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Oooh, the pieces are falling right into place nicely.

Awesome!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 8:53 AM

Haha...NO WAY you make it two weeks Alan...however the SPG has an opening...and our requirements are fairly simple...you will need to increase your schtick ratio though.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:00 AM
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It's fairly well known that the members of the SPG have relatively tiny schticks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Oooh, the pieces are falling right into place nicely.

Awesome!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 8:53 AM

Haha...NO WAY you make it two weeks Alan...however the SPG has an opening...and our requirements are fairly simple...you will need to increase your schtick ratio though.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You also have to say NERD, be good at Haiku, and come up with another personality like us, I mean me. Don't forget to decorate your sock puppet, and preferably one without holes.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

J Peppers is talented.

J Tuck is talented.

N Suh is talented.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 7:40 AM

C Portis is broken.

C Collinsworth is useless.

C Salad is light and nutritious.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

RSH, hate to break it to ya, but there ARE a bunch of brown-baggers in the HoF. Art Monk, Russ Grimm, Jerry Rice just off the top of my head...those guys weren't the most talented specimen out there, but they were the smartest and hardest working guys on the field. There's a reason Gibbs won without a lot of starpower...you get better and more consistent performances from the guys who are playing based on hard work and smart play instead of natural ability and fast 40 times. There are tons of freakish athletes that can't get into Canton without a ticket (LaVar, anyone?) but a lot of the smarter, productive players are the ones who are permanently enshrined.

So I get that it's not as black and white as my originate comments made it sound, but it's completely true that in the NFL, talent gets you in the door but hard work keeps you in the building.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"'Meanwhile the Seahawks win their division by one game over Oakland both teams with 7-9 records, with Oakland starting the guy we traded away and the Ravens picking up our former head coach to coach their 2nd year QB and going to the AFC championship.'"

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | January 13, 2011 8:18 PM


"Hey, kids! See how many factual errors you can find in the above sentence. It's fun!"

Posted by: freakzilla | January 13, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"'I will give it a try
1. Seahawks and Oakland not only are not in same division they are not in the same conference
2. Oakland finished 8-8
3. Flacco (Raven QB) is in his 3rd year
4. Ravens are not going to AFC championship unless they beat Pitt, they play Div round this week.

Did I miss any?'"

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 13, 2011 10:54 PM

"So tokenwhitemale turns out to be notsotokenwhitejackass"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 13, 2011 11:07 PM

But you gotta admit, four factual errors in one sentence is pretty d@mn impressive. It would do any politician proud. On second thought, the Seahawks didn't "win their division by one game." They finished tied with the Rams at 7-9 and won on a tie-breaker, so that's five factual errors. Egads, put this man in office right away!

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 14, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

FREE Albert Haynesworth.

The Redskins blew it with him, now let him go and watch him in the Pro Bowl next year. I'll be at Redskins Park with my #92 all season. As soon as I find out what team he will play for.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth sits on the bench next season until he makes up his mind that he wants to play football. Let the fat guy stew over the fact that his best football years are behind him and the only way he is going to get back on the football field is to conform to what the "Team" wants not what Albert wants.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 14, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

man i hear ya Columbia...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It's fairly well known that the members of the SPG have relatively tiny schticks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM

Heh heh...you said members...

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

brown, that was a real shout out. Can't hate those Duke boys for G'ing up that ho-piece, excuse me, private exotic dancer. Then had the nerve to go cry about it when they went all "Ghetto Gaggers" on her. I'm sure she was well compensated for the humiliation they put her through courtesy of 'Danny Wolgenheimer's' trust fund.

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Baseball is ight with me. Hated it as a youngin' but found an appreciation for it as an adult. Now I'd call myself a fan, but still really don't follow it until end of June/beginning of July.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

It's fairly well known that the members of the SPG have relatively tiny schticks...

Posted by: RedD*ckHead | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

And all of the 'Beep Crew' have dumb, corny jokes.

By the way, nice User ID, not very appropriate though, might want to change it!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

If I was Albert I would leave if I have an opportunity. I think that alot of problems are with the Coaching Staff (Mike S, Kyle S, and Defensive Coach). I am not saying the AH was not at fault but the man has been in the league for many years and when they let him play his way, he was very productive, but when they tried to make him play their way, he had problems. I think the coaching staff disrespected him as well. He was never a starter this season and I think he deserved to be a starter. I feel that they were not bringing out what AH does well. I think when they did not have him in the game, that hurt them.
Look at Donovan McNabb, he played well with the Eagles, but when he came here, it was a vast difference. I know he is older, but does anybody think it might have been the play selection that the offense coach was using? How do you go from being great to being awful.

I felt the coaches wanted to do it their way or no way and you do have to adjust to what kind of players you have especially the good ones.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: dawne10 | January 14, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I use to follow the Indians and became disinterested once they started trading their top players for more minor leaguers. The guys would always end up with the big market teams (i.e. Yankees, Red Sox, Philly etc.) due to no salary cap in place. So Cleveland is just a farm system for the bigger clubs.

I guess I wouldn't mind so much if I was a Yankee fan.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 14, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The real message here is that other teams should not expect to get AH for free. The Skins have already spent their money so they will hang on to AH until they get something for him or AH gives some of the money back.

What have they got to lose?

Posted by: boomer5 | January 14, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins blew it with him, now let him go and watch him in the Pro Bowl next year...

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM


There's only 3 ways AH is in the Pro Bowl next year:

A) Pro Bowl voting is based 100% on the stripper vote

B) There's halftime entertainment involving competitive eating

C) AH is selected to emcee a celebrity bowling event ironically called "The Pro Bowl"


That's it. That's the list.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

HEY HEY HEY! IT'S OFF SEASON AND WE GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME !!!

Posted by: pejochum | January 14, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

It's fairly well known that the members of the SPG have relatively tiny schticks...

Posted by: RedD*ckHead | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

And all of the 'Beep Crew' have dumb, corny jokes.

By the way, nice User ID, not very appropriate though, might want to change it!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

RSH, hate to break it to ya, but there ARE a bunch of brown-baggers in the HoF. Art Monk, Russ Grimm, Jerry Rice just off the top of my head...those guys weren't the most talented specimen out there, but they were the smartest and hardest working guys on the field. There's a reason Gibbs won without a lot of starpower...you get better and more consistent performances from the guys who are playing based on hard work and smart play instead of natural ability and fast 40 times. There are tons of freakish athletes that can't get into Canton without a ticket (LaVar, anyone?) but a lot of the smarter, productive players are the ones who are permanently enshrined.

So I get that it's not as black and white as my originate comments made it sound, but it's completely true that in the NFL, talent gets you in the door but hard work keeps you in the building.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 9:18 AM
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You missed my point. Some NFL players work hard because they need that big pay day. You see these guys have these "contract year" seasons. We've brought a lot of those guys into Redskins park right after their pro-bowl contract year performances. And then they do nothing in a Redskins uniform. Those guys worked hard but they have no passion for the game. You have to put in the work but it goes beyond that. You have to want it every play. You hear about it most often at draft time how a player is a workout warrior, a great teammate, runs the forty in a nano-second, but "he takes plays off".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I felt the coaches wanted to do it their way or no way and you do have to adjust to what kind of players you have especially the good ones.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: dawne10 | January 14, 2011 9:28 AM


(Day 1)

Hello dawne10!

I once thought like you--yesterday, in fact.

But today, I'm turning over an optimistic new leaf.

Coach Shanahan won 2 Super Bowls, doing things his way. Neither McNabb nor Haynesworth has ever won a Super Bowl.

It's the coaching staff's job to get players to but into their proven system and master it, or move on.

Bruce Allen said McNabb and Haynesworth could return, so we should be confident that all options are being considered and the coaching staff is hard at work on the best solution that will get this team back on a winning track.

Have a nice day!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

B) There's halftime entertainment involving competitive eating


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha


Add: D) Kicking Cowboy centers in the head contest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It's fairly well known that the members of the SPG have relatively tiny schticks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

And all of the 'Beep Crew' have dumb, corny jokes.

By the way, nice User ID, not very appropriate though, might want to change it!

Posted by: monkeyschtick811 | January 14, 2011 9:26 AM
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I like the way I became a member of the "beep crew". It's like if someone doesn't agree with you, they are the "beep crew" and if someone agrees with you, then they are one of the Sock Puppet Girls.

BTW, I fixed your user id for you. I think you should run with it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

By the way, nice User ID, not very appropriate though, might want to change it!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 9:39 AM

RDH is alright...I think he's auditioning for a spot in the exclusive SPG...just not doing a very good job.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

It's fairly well known that the members of the SPG have relatively tiny schticks...

Posted by: RedD*ckHead | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

And all of the 'Beep Crew' have dumb, corny jokes.

By the way, nice User ID, not very appropriate though, might want to change it!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cam Newton is going pro, whoda thunk it.

"This decision was difficult for me and my family," Newton said.

Im sure it was, expanding your current income(or your fathers income) by an extra 0 or two.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Buck Showalter did a great job with that team when he took over last year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 9:04 AM

I believe they had the best record in the East after he took over...and their BA with runners in scoring position went up like 100 points...quite a miraculous turnaround with the same players I would say.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I'll be at Redskins Park with my #92 all season. As soon as I find out what team he will play for.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 14, 2011 9:14 AM

man i hear ya Columbia...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 9:21 AM

Sure, most Redskins fans will be looking at you like contrarian jackholes...but you'll know how much smarter you are...and have the satistaction of having defended the hard-working, defenseless AH.

What is it about Haynesworth's dealing with the Redskins that makes him a sympathetic character to you?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

By the way, nice User ID, not very appropriate though, might want to change it!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 9:39 AM

RDH is alright...I think he's auditioning for a spot in the exclusive SPG...just not doing a very good job.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 9:49 AM
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You guys are like two late night television hosts... who should be taken off the air.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I like the way I became a member of the "beep crew". It's like if someone doesn't agree with you, they are the "beep crew" and if someone agrees with you, then they are one of the Sock Puppet Girls.

BTW, I fixed your user id for you. I think you should run with it.


Posted by: RedD*ckHead | January 14, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, if that's your reasoning, then why haven't I put MORE people in with you and beep. Why don't you think about it and come back with a better comeback.

My User ID change was better than yours, I guess that's why YOU are in the 'Beep Crew' and I am in the superior SPG!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

You guys are like two late night television hosts... who should be taken off the air.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:03 AM

bleh

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

No.

The NCAA grand poo-boohs should see the lil money Newton--and others--got while in college as a down payment on the huge return they re-coup in memorablia sales.

They make millions.

And all the Division 1 football star gets is his 'education'?

Whatever that it.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 7:21 AM | Report abuse

That's a small minded argument to make based on the premise that all atheletes are like Cam Newton and are headed towards a million dollar Professional Sports career.

I'm not defending the NCAA by any means, cause we all know they are hypocritical but why don't you look up the precentage of football players that acutaully make it to the pros? It's less than 5%.

So of the remaining 95% who stay and finish their "education" how many of them do you think are able to move into better paying jobs and careers than without that "education"?

Did you ever think to consider that those jersey sales also help pay for the scholarships of the other 95% that don't go on to play professional sports?

So please, don't down play the importance of an education. That same approach is what keeps kids from seeing the value in educating themselves to begin with.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 14, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

You guys are like two late night television hosts... who should be taken off the air.

Posted by: RedD*ckHead | January 14, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you sure are paying a lot of attention this show though, it can't be canceled if we have a viewer! Enjoy the show!!!

I thought we were like the wrestlers The Dudley Boys???

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, if that's your reasoning, then why haven't I put MORE people in with you and beep. Why don't you think about it and come back with a better comeback.

My User ID change was better than yours, I guess that's why YOU are in the 'Beep Crew' and I am in the superior SPG!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:03 AM
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I'm done playing now. This stuff is getting to be even too infantile for me. I'd rather talk football.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Allens PR motto: Ambiuguity... what happens in vagueness stays in vagueness

Posted by: RLDRY | January 14, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see how Haynesworth will ever work out here. He was lied to. He's always going to be angry about that and for good reason. Haslett inherited a guy that just doesn't fit his scheme. So is Haynesworth just supposed to shut up and play? I doubt that will happen. Is Haslett supposed to change his scheme? I don't see that happening either. I think it's best for everyone if we just trade him to a 4-3 team that likes to use a 1 gap DT. I don't blame this on Haynesworth or Haslett. I think this goes back to Snyder. I think we'd be better off as a team if we could trade him for a draft pick and grab some space eater NT that does fit the scheme. That being said we do have to make everyone think we'd hang on to Albert or they'll just wait until we release him. As it stands right now the only role I see Albert fitting here is as a third down pass rushing RDE.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Allens PR motto: Ambiuguity... what happens in vagueness stays in vagueness

Posted by: RLDRY | January 14, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Why would the Redskins want him back? It's obvious that Shanahan does not want him back. The Redkins really need to cut ties with these overpriced washed-up superstars.

Posted by: RalphZero | January 14, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I would have liked to see him on the field more, our D sucked and he is a game changer. At least when he was in the game the other team had to account for him. He is the only member of our team that gains such attention.

Yeah he is an @ss hat but he was and is the best dlineman on the team.

I guess the diffrence for me is I love the redksins and i like the NFL and CFB. I like watching talented players play. He was entertaining for me to watch.
Some fans want good players but they also want those players to be all about the team. They expect them to have the same passion for the concept of the redskins as a guy sitting on the couch. I dont need my teams players to be jogging up and down Pennsylvania avenue with a novelty foam redskins finger singing HAIL... some people expect this from their teams players.

Am i sympathetic for him, of course not. But i can recognize things others hate to admit.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

That being said we do have to make everyone think we'd hang on to Albert or they'll just wait until we release him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:13 AM

If we released AH would he instantly become a FA...or hit the waiver wire? Would a team that really wants him risk standing in line if thats the case?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

could use some coffee.

The best cup o' coffee for a man with a woman is to wake up to some early morning 'choochie-coo'.

I tried to get some this morning, but mrsmoe was too busy pouring a cup for some other dude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 8:24 AM

Did he at least leave the toilet seat up for you?

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 14, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm done playing now. This stuff is getting to be even too infantile for me. I'd rather talk football.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Then bring up a topic and I'll discuss, you're the one that started with me today. I'm not THAT unreasonable, I might just agree with you on something!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If we released AH would he instantly become a FA...or hit the waiver wire? Would a team that really wants him risk standing in line if thats the case?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

That's the only reason we could possibly get a draft pick for him. The big question is who is interested? We know Tennessee is but who else? Tampa? Detroit?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Am i sympathetic for him, of course not. But i can recognize things others hate to admit.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 10:14 AM

That's cool. I think you're not giving enough creedence to the idea that successful NFL teams are made up of people that subjugate their agendas for the good of the team and that atmosphere is impossible when your highest paid (and perhaps most talented player) refuses to do ANYTHING he doesn't want to do, but I appreciate your candor and defense of your opinion.

That guy you co-signed with said he was going to wear whatever AH92 jersey is applicable next year to every Skins game. You too?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm done playing now. This stuff is getting to be even too infantile for me. I'd rather talk football.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Then bring up a topic and I'll discuss, you're the one that started with me today. I'm not THAT unreasonable, I might just agree with you on something!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"I just don't see how Haynesworth will ever work out here. He was lied to. He's always going to be angry about that and for good reason"

were you being serious when you wrote this?? I can't tell. Also, are you recently recovering from a head injury??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

were you being serious when you wrote this?? I can't tell. Also, are you recently recovering from a head injury??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Are you denying that he was told he'd be playing in a 1 gap 4-3 when he signed here then got placed in a 2 gap 3-4?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I guess the diffrence for me is I love the redksins and i like the NFL and CFB. I like watching talented players play. He was entertaining for me to watch.
Some fans want good players but they also want those players to be all about the team. They expect them to have the same passion for the concept of the redskins as a guy sitting on the couch. I dont need my teams players to be jogging up and down Pennsylvania avenue with a novelty foam redskins finger singing HAIL... some people expect this from their teams players.

Am i sympathetic for him, of course not. But i can recognize things others hate to admit.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 10:14 AM
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So, Stu, you don't think Haynesworth's lack of offseason conditioning didn't make him less of a player? When he is laying on the ground trying to catch a puff, and costing the team a timeout... how is that good for the team? I saw a handful of plays all season long where the guy was dominant. I saw a lot of plays where he tried free-lancing and got burned for it. I saw some plays where he flat-out got his hat handed to him. The sum total of his performance this year - and I am talking the body of work when he was on the field -was frustrating. It must be very frustrating for a coach to implement a new scheme and have one player just do what he wants, and then when the coach disciplines the player by having him sit, be criticized for it by the player and the media. Haynesworth might have better days - especially if he goes to a team that will basically let him free lance all day - but I can't imagine there are many coaches that want to deal with that. He'll end up going to a team where some big ego resides in the coaching or management ranks that believes they can change him. To them, I say, give us a draft pick in trade and good luck with that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

It's a win-win scenario for the Skins -- either they trade Haynesworth and possibly get some of the signing bonus back or keep him on the roster. They could either inactivate him every game or call his bluff and work him so hard in the preseason that have to put him on IR. However, I seriously doubt releasing him is an option....

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

were you being serious when you wrote this?? I can't tell. Also, are you recently recovering from a head injury??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Are you denying that he was told he'd be playing in a 1 gap 4-3 when he signed here then got placed in a 2 gap 3-4?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Great freestyle video from tailgate before 2010 Redskins vs. Dallas game... when the season was still showed so much promise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iysZ1_4PGO4

Posted by: mrlowery1 | January 14, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Naw i dont own one, I knew it would get ugly when we played him the the fouth preseason game, you dont do that to a vet.


Once again the skins got what they paid for. Stop sympathizing with Dannys spending sprees, acting like since their paid there gonna change. everyone knew what Ahay was about we gave him the money we made our bed.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Are you denying that he was told he'd be playing in a 1 gap 4-3 when he signed here then got placed in a 2 gap 3-4?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:32 AM

Yes. There has never been a contract with language like that in the National Football League and certainly not in his contract. The contract is what governs the conditions of his employment. If that was important to him, then he and his agent should have put it into the contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"I just don't see how Haynesworth will ever work out here. He was lied to. He's always going to be angry about that and for good reason"


I would like to sign up for some of the "abuse" the Redskins have been heaping on poor Albert Haynesworth...and, more importantly, I bet guys like Lorenzo Alexander and London Fletcher would too.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Great freestyle video from tailgate before 2010 Redskins vs. Dallas game... when the season was still showed so much promise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iysZ1_4PGO4

Posted by: mrlowery1 | January 14, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

were you being serious when you wrote this?? I can't tell. Also, are you recently recovering from a head injury??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh, my bad. I forgot that we didn't tell him he's be playing in a 1 gap 4-3 then switched him to a 2 gap 3-4. O wait we totally did that.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

pa who told him that??

Vinny, right??

So when vinny was FIRED, that kind of went out the window right??

How about some personal responsibility on Alberts part?? Like where when he AGREED to take the bonus of 21 million and said that he'd come in and actually TRY.

Your painting of albert as the victim in this is pathetic at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If that was important to him, then he and his agent should have put it into the contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 10:37 AM

True dat.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Albert haynesworth is nothing more than a fat Randy Moss.

Did anyone else hear that LT got no jailtime?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 14, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

pa who told him that??

Vinny, right??

So when vinny was FIRED, that kind of went out the window right??

How about some personal responsibility on Alberts part?? Like where when he AGREED to take the bonus of 21 million and said that he'd come in and actually TRY.

Your painting of albert as the victim in this is pathetic at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Did you ever think to consider that those jersey sales also help pay for the scholarships of the other 95% that don't go on to play professional sports?


Wow: that's a great system.

I use you, a guy who can barely read, do math, and complete college level school work, to help someone else get his scholarship/academics.

Anywhere else, this is called 'exploitation'.

But it's another example of what the NCAA calls 'education'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I might just agree with you on something!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:27 AM

I tried ... can we agree that Clinton Portis is broken and that Caesar Salad is light and nutritious?

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

pa who told him that??

Vinny, right??

So when vinny was FIRED, that kind of went out the window right??

How about some personal responsibility on Alberts part?? Like where when he AGREED to take the bonus of 21 million and said that he'd come in and actually TRY.

Your painting of albert as the victim in this is pathetic at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

So it's ok to lie to someone as long as you pay them a lot of money? That's nice to know.

Beantown: Hi Bill, welcome aboard.

Bill: So when do I start doing some accouting?

Beantown: Oh no Bill you aren't doing any accounting. You'll be turning tricks behind a dumpster.

Bill: But I applied for an accoutning job.

Beantown: But we're paying you 100k you'll whatever we say and it doesn't say anything in your contract about not turniong tricks instead of accoutning so lube up.

Bill: I'm outta here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse
So, Stu, you don't think Haynesworth's lack of offseason conditioning didn't make him less of a player?

-He cam in to camp the best shape in years, that was a pissing comp with Shanny.


When he is laying on the ground trying to catch a puff, and costing the team a timeout... how is that good for the team

-In that game Vick was abusing everyone, Landry and Zo couldnt lay a finger one him. AH was the only guy bursting through the line causing VICK to scramble. You think he should cause the scrmable and sack the most dynamic QB in history, high expcetation.

I saw a lot of plays where he tried free-lancing and got burned for it. I saw some plays where he flat-out got his hat handed to him.

-Such is life in the NFL.

and I am talking the body of work when he was on the field -was frustrating.

- I would relly love for someone to tell me who preformed better on our Dline??? still waiting, the lines not moving...

It must be very frustrating for a coach to implement a new scheme and have one player just do what he wants, and then when the coach disciplines the player by having him sit, be criticized for it by the player and the media

-only the minority like myself even attempt to defend him. it a tough and thankless job.

Haynesworth might have better days - especially if he goes to a team that will basically let him free lance all day - but I can't imagine there are many coaches that want to deal with that.

-if he is their best player they should use him accordingly.

He'll end up going to a team where some big ego resides in the coaching or management ranks that believes they can change him. To them, I say, give us a draft pick in trade and good luck with that.

- He already did, luckly we didnt give up any piks for him.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

If we released AH would he instantly become a FA...or hit the waiver wire? Would a team that really wants him risk standing in line if thats the case?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

If we release him, he would immediately be a FA. Only players to go on waivers are ones in early career. I think it is les than 2-3 yr. of experience.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

HEY HEY HEY ! ITS THE OFF SEASON AND WE GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME !

Posted by: pejochum | January 14, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

were you being serious when you wrote this?? I can't tell. Also, are you recently recovering from a head injury??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Are you denying that he was told he'd be playing in a 1 gap 4-3 when he signed here then got placed in a 2 gap 3-4?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:32 AM
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I think you'd have to be a pretty obtuse football player to go to a new team and not expect any change. That is doubly true for the Redskins. I mean, come on. I'd say on average about 10% of the coaches change every season. Most of those coaches bring their own playbooks and scheme changes. For an NFL player to say he thought he would end his career playing in the same system he started in is just a fabrication. They know the score.

Haynesworth's contract was for him to play football for the Redskins. It didn't say what position, how long, or whatnot. You'll notice that any mention of a guarantee to play in a 4-3 was "they said", not "they put this in the contract". Another thing any player in the NFL should know is that if it isn't in the contract, then it isn't guaranteed. His agent was sure to get the exact terms of his bonus payments in black and white, wasn't he? If playing in the 4-3 was so important to Al, then why didn't his agent get that put in there? The bottom line is he wouldn't have gotten a contract if he started putting words in there that required the coach to consult with the player on changes. Even Vinny wasn't that stupid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

You know what else isn't in Albert's contract? Anything saying he can't skate along doing the bare minumum while collecting all his guarentee money. That's exactly what he's doing. You want to play the contract game that's fine but understand that there are 2 sides to it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I hate anchovies.

Bill is a wh*re...he'd take the 100k.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

You know what else isn't in Albert's contract? Anything saying he can't skate along doing the bare minumum while collecting all his guarentee money. That's exactly what he's doing. You want to play the contract game that's fine but understand that there are 2 sides to it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:55 AM

Actually, he can't do what he was doing. He was suspended for four games for violating the terms of his contract -- conduct detrimental to the team.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Stu,
Even though he didn't play much early in the season, I would say without a doubt that Vonnie Holiday played better than Haynesworth. The dude understands the defense and sticks to his assignment. Carriker wasn't as glamorous, but I think he was really starting to put it together at the end of the season. Not as clear cut, but I would say Carriker was better, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

pa, thats such a bizzare post, I'm not sure how to even respond....

Al was paid to play football for the washington redskins...thats what his contract was for. He wasn't being paid to play EXCLUSIVELY DT in a 4-3 system. He was paid to play football. Period.

Everything else is poppycock.

Lets break it down even further:

Did the redskins honor their end of the contract??

Did Al honor his end of the contract??

Its pretty simple....stop playing the victim card with AH...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

agree to disagree.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

How anyone can be a Fatsworth apologist after watching him lay down like a pig in slop against Philly and take a $21 million check when he could have left with no strings attached is beyond me.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 14, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth will be a Redskins this year. I'm expecting Shanahan to pay him, bench him for the entire season.

Posted by: abxinc | January 14, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Stu,
Even though he didn't play much early in the season, I would say without a doubt that Vonnie Holiday played better than Haynesworth. The dude understands the defense and sticks to his assignment. Carriker wasn't as glamorous, but I think he was really starting to put it together at the end of the season. Not as clear cut, but I would say Carriker was better, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM
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And just to expand on this, I think the Redskins could do worse than start next season with those guys at end.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

You'll be turning tricks behind a dumpster.

Bill: But I applied for an accoutning job.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 10:47 AM

Playing Defensive Tackle in a 4-3: Accounting

Playing Nose Tackle in a 3-4: Turning tricks behind the ole dumpster.

Sounds like a perfectly valid analogy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Of coure they could do worse but why would you, those guys suck. AC is alright but he aint lighting the world on fire. Typical solid 3-4 DE, vonnie needs to let it go.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Carriker wasn't as glamorous, but I think he was really starting to put it together at the end of the season. Not as clear cut, but I would say Carriker was better, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM

I started noticing Carriker more near the end of the season too, but then again, I have a really short attention span.

http://www.nfl.com/players/adamcarriker/gamelogs?id=CAR485536

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Of coure they could do worse but why would you, those guys suck. AC is alright but he aint lighting the world on fire. Typical solid 3-4 DE, vonnie needs to let it go.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 11:11 AM
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I don't think those guys suck. They played pretty well at the end of the year - especially when Bryant was there in the middle. Understanding that they will be part of a rotation, I think they are solid. Jarmin is a young up and comer but they still need some young depth at end. At nose, I think Bryant is a good sub, and Kemo is, too, but they need someone who can collapse the pocket and neither one of those guys seemed to be able to do that with great regularity.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

C'mon Stu27...you;re better than this. AH92 is worth defending, and can do whatever he wants, because you saw him sack Cutler with a left guard on one play. Vonnie Holliday actually displays some sustained success through discipline and smart play, and he needs to "let it go" because he's older than you would like?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

pa, thats such a bizzare post, I'm not sure how to even respond....

Al was paid to play football for the washington redskins...thats what his contract was for. He wasn't being paid to play EXCLUSIVELY DT in a 4-3 system. He was paid to play football. Period.

Everything else is poppycock.

Lets break it down even further:

Did the redskins honor their end of the contract??

Did Al honor his end of the contract??

Its pretty simple....stop playing the victim card with AH...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

He was paid to play football. He wasn't paid to play good football. There's nothing in the contract stating he has to try really hard to learn new things. He's doing just enough to not terminate his contract, collect his bonus checks, and that's completely legal. My point is that we lied to him and he's pissed off. That's the situation we're in. You guys think he should suck it and play NT but my question for you is why would he? He already got his money and if we void his contract he'll just sign somewhere else and play 1 gap 4-3 DT. That's what he wants. Why would he try to play NT here? I don't get this line of thinking. It doesn't make sense.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Okay, why did my son's ipod touch Redskins Insider app have a new RI post on Carlos Rogers at 7:30 a.m. this morning yet the website doesn't have it?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 14, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Playing Defensive Tackle in a 4-3: Accounting

Playing Nose Tackle in a 3-4: Turning tricks behind the ole dumpster.

Sounds like a perfectly valid analogy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:09 AM

I can't think of any other reason why Haynesworth showed up with a calculator stuffed in his sock where Kemoeatu stuffed a bottle of coconut oil.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

yes, everyone saying AH sucks. He played what a third 1/4 of the plays that Vonnie and AC played.
He has the same or better stats in a fraction of the plays. I dont get it.

AC can start, Vonnie is a backup vet. I liked Bryant too, but he is a backup. I hold out hope for Jarmon to bulk up, he is one of our few dlineman that can actually get to the qb. We need a starting NT and a starting DE opposite of AC and a quality backup, Golston is a 4-3 dude, he did what he could.


And clearly im not better then this.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"My point is that we lied to him and he's pissed off"

Factually incorrect. Vinny, and Jim Zorn lied to him. They're not here any longer. So with them leaving so did the, "wink/nudge/pinky swear" that he'd only play defensive tackle....so just stop....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Allen is telling the rest of the NFL that the Redskins are willing to hold on to Haynesworth if they feel the offers they get don't have value.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

That sound you hear is the rest of the NFL GMs snickering at the idea that they are going to actually make any offers for AH...

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:18 PM
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Hey, if TO can find work after throwing more than a few coaches under the bus, anyone can do it.


Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse


The issue ins't whether AH can find work - but whether some nincompoop GM is going to offer us something in a trade for him.

TO got cut, not traded, and my point is that is precisely the highway we're on in this situation.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Playing Defensive Tackle in a 4-3: Accounting

Playing Nose Tackle in a 3-4: Turning tricks behind the ole dumpster.

Sounds like a perfectly valid analogy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:09 AM

I can't think of any other reason why Haynesworth showed up with a calculator stuffed in his sock where Kemoeatu stuffed a bottle of coconut oil.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 11:24 AM

I wonder if Ma'ake's, Vince Wilfork's, BJ Raji's, and all of the other NT's around the league's families are duly ashamed of what the (big)men in their family are doing to earn a NFL living?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

That sound you hear is the rest of the NFL GMs snickering at the idea that they are going to actually make any offers for AH...

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2011 3:18 PM |

Your missing the issue other teams that want AH might not be able to get him if they wait for him to be cut, so yes there will be teams willing to give a pick for AH.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 13, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse


Why would the teams that want him before he gets cut have any less of a chance of getting him after he gets cut?

All 31 teams can trade for him now; all 31 teams can go after him if he's released.

The only difference is that they don't have to cough up a draft pick to deal with him.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"My point is that we lied to him and he's pissed off"

Factually incorrect. Vinny, and Jim Zorn lied to him. They're not here any longer. So with them leaving so did the, "wink/nudge/pinky swear" that he'd only play defensive tackle....so just stop....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

What? That's stupid. Those guys were employees of the Redskins. They represented the Redskins organization. You don't get to break promises on a stupid technicality. The Redskins organization made a promise which they later broke. That is a fact.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Ma'ake's, Vince Wilfork's, BJ Raji's, and all of the other NT's around the league's families are duly ashamed of what the (big)men in their family are doing to earn a NFL living?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:32 AM

Damb. I forgot about Raji's first name.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

pa, agree to disagree, you're way, way out there with this one....yikes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The only difference is that they don't have to cough up a draft pick to deal with him.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:33 AM

Apparently Fisher offered a 4th when there was speculation he was going to be cut?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

All 31 teams can trade for him now; all 31 teams can go after him if he's released.

The only difference is that they don't have to cough up a draft pick to deal with him.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:33 AM

Not the only difference. The big difference is that they get him with his present contract which everyone seems to think is a pretty good price for the next two years. If he's a free agent and two or three teams are interested then they'll have to pay him another signing bonus and probably a higher salary than the one in his contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss something? What's with all the Duke sh*t all of a sudden? I get that you went there Beep, but surely you understand that a Redskins blog with be full of locals...and therefore, people who either like MD or hate the ACC altogether. Come to think of it, I don't know of anyone that likes Dukies that aren't actually Dukies...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2011 7:06 AM | Report abuse


If I remember correctly, beep-beep went to Georgia Tech and then he went to Duke for grad school.

Which puts him in an interesting position.

He's either a dirty shameful turncoat who spent his undergrad years pulling for the Yellow Jackets and hating Duke, only to sell-out and start grabbing ankle for Coach K later on.

Or he started out as a closet Dukie and - I'm sure - put up a big facade at Ga Tech to try and fit in so that he wouldn't get pounded into the quad.

Either way, it gives you an insight on what kind of people Duke fans really are.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins organization made a promise which they later broke. That is a fact.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:34 AM

Absurd.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 14, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

pa, agree to disagree, you're way, way out there with this one....yikes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Fine, I disagree with you that Albert should just lube up and be taken to pound town by this team even though he doesn't have to.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Why would the teams that want him before he gets cut have any less of a chance of getting him after he gets cut?

All 31 teams can trade for him now; all 31 teams can go after him if he's released.

The only difference is that they don't have to cough up a draft pick to deal with him.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:33 AM |

Again you miss the point.

If you wait until he is cut you will have to get in a bidding war with another team, and AH can chose where he wants to play.

If you offer a pick for him you get him at his current contract which is not very much, and unless another team is also willing to trade you have no competition.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

MS said to AH that if he takes the $21M then he will be playing in a 3-4 as a DE and NT. At that point AH could have manned up and said I am a 4-3 tackle. See ya.

Once he took the money knowing that he was going to be in a 3-4, any promises made to him by the Vinny/Zorn is out the window. He knew what was required of him, took the money and proceeded to act like a little kid about promises.

Not sure how you can defend that PAsf17.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Fine, I disagree with you that Albert should just lube up and be taken to pound town by this team even though he doesn't have to"


you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I guy who doesn't get targeted is 2d tier? I don't think so. Carlos keeps his man from catching the ball or having the ball thrown his way. I'll take that over a few picks and a lot of long TDs any day.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 13, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse


Right.

Carlos Rogers who's been benched twice in his career for habitually getting burned on long TDs.

Yeah, lock-down stalwart in coverage.

"Can't do nothin' 'bout it"

And for the record, I would acutally re-sign Carlos Rogers. My issue is that numbskull has openly talked about being treated/getting paid like a #1 CB in this league. Not a chance.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Watching David Mamet's "Spartan" (Val Kilmer)

Awesmoe SJKing movie!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

MS said to AH that if he takes the $21M then he will be playing in a 3-4 as a DE and NT. At that point AH could have manned up and said I am a 4-3 tackle. See ya.

Once he took the money knowing that he was going to be in a 3-4, any promises made to him by the Vinny/Zorn is out the window. He knew what was required of him, took the money and proceeded to act like a little kid about promises.

Not sure how you can defend that PAsf17.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Did shanny put that in his contract? Oh no he didn't!!! BOOM ROASTED!!!

Maybe Al just lied right back to the Redskins. In my book they're even.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What you do with AH is cut him after the trade deadline next season (assuming there is football being played). At that point he will have to clear waivers and he may not want to go to many of the teams that may claim him.

You let all other GMs know that they can offer a pick or wait until he is cut after the trade deadline.

That should do the trick.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

He's either a dirty shameful turncoat who spent his undergrad years pulling for the Yellow Jackets and hating Duke, only to sell-out and start grabbing ankle for Coach K later on.

Or he started out as a closet Dukie and - I'm sure - put up a big facade at Ga Tech to try and fit in so that he wouldn't get pounded into the quad.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:39 AM

Interesting to see how a Terp thinks about college: it's all about basketball. There's actually another possibility. At Georgia Tech I had a major they didn't offer at Duke and at Duke, a major they didn't offer at Georgia Tech. Did you ever actually attend classes at Maryland?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

pa, agree to disagree, you're way, way out there with this one....yikes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Fine, I disagree with you that Albert should just lube up and be taken to pound town by this team even though he doesn't have to.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:43 AM |

So your saying anytime a team changes a players position he/she should just stop giving effort. Thats a great lesson to teach to the youth of the world.

How about he should play NT in a 3-4 because he loves the game of football and was paid a ton of money.

Players in all sports leagues have things change on them during there careers, the great ones roll with the changes and make the best out of them. The whiny little b-tch ones cause trouble get suspended and are remebered as a$$-oles.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, beep-beep went to Georgia Tech and then he went to Duke for grad school.Which puts him in an interesting position.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:39 AM

That position would be behind the dumpster with the DTs on teams with a 3-4 base defense.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

You know what, PA is right. Just because Albert took the money doesn't make him a slave or whatever. God forbid he actually go to work and have his play be commensurate with his salary.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 14, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Re: Trading AH

To everyone making arguments that he has trade value and we could get a pick for him - unless Vinny Cerratto is getting hired by a team there's really no chance.

"But he has a favorable contract!"

He had a favorable contract earlier in the year when we couldn't seem to trump up a trade market for him. No one seemed interested in his favorable contract at that time. Now that he's been outed as the all-time biggest laziest selfish malcontent in NFL history, I don't see how we can expect to generate MORE interest in him.

"But Tenessee was willing to offer a 4th rounder".

And now that AH was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, and it is abundantly clear that AH has absolutely no future with the Skins, do you think that 4th is still on the table? Do you think Fisher is willing to sweeten the deal? What has transpired over the past several months that would make anyone think that.


"But players like T.O. found teams to land on".

T.O. got released and languished on the open market for months before getting a 1-year gig in Buffalo, and then getting picked up by the Bengals after their WR corps suffered half-dozen injuries. AH as an attitude-liability is at least as toxic as T.O. Why would teams treat him differently?


No fellas. It's not going to happen. Only if Vinny Cerratto is hired as a GM on a new team might we find a trade partner for AH.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

& they don't call him 'double move' for nothing...

..look. Everyone gets burned. The question is: are you engineered to get past it? As a d-cord, if I let Hall go after the ball, where's my safety? Everyone needs to know what everyone else is doing.

I'm not saying Hall isn't overrated. But we've let less talent go & thrive on other squads. It's all about management, in'nit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Because it's non-fiction.

FACT: Big Al doesn't have to try to convert to NT and do grunt work.

FACT: He can sit on his butt and collect checks.

FACT: In the end he'll be on another team making even more money playing the position he wants to play.

FACT: Redskins fans are incapable of realizing when the organization screws up.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 14, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

he put up the best stats on our Dline, it would have been nice if they played him more...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

FACT: Redskins fans are incapable of realizing when the organization screws up.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

They realize it, admitting it is a whole different story. A guy like Ahay make it so easy for them to hate. Everyone knew his MO, snyder jumped at the opportunity to overpay for him.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What? That's stupid. Those guys were employees of the Redskins. They represented the Redskins organization. You don't get to break promises on a stupid technicality. The Redskins organization made a promise which they later broke. That is a fact.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:34 AM
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Based on what one player says? Haynesworth also said he had been working out in the offseason. Come to find out, he couldn't pass a simple conditioning test. Haynesworth also said that he would shut up and play in the 3-4 wherever they wanted him before he got his bonus last year.

As far as this statement, "You don't get to break promises on a stupid technicality", what are you talking about? A player said he was told something - but surprisingly there is no language in his contract about that condition - and you are saying the team is breaking its contract? There was no promise if it wasn't in the contract. If Haynesworth didn't know he had to get it in writing, then surely his agent did. That's what agents get paid to do. And it wasn't in his contract. Period.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

What I'm saying is the rules are very different for talented people. They don't have to put up with their employers crap.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I might just agree with you on something!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 10:27 AM

I tried ... can we agree that Clinton Portis is broken and that Caesar Salad is light and nutritious?

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll agree about the salad, yummy!

I don't think Portis is broken, just really worn down. If he comes back, this'll be his Swan Song, one and he's done!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

To join my cult Alan, you need to show at least 2 weeks of optimism. Then I will consult the Tribunal and we will take a vote.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 13, 2011 7:21 PM

(Day 1)

The Skins are in an awesome position!

We have a 6X Pro Bowl QB, and a 2X All Pro/Pro Bowl DT that didn't get too much wear and tear this year.

They should be very healthy going into the offseason.

Bruce Allen, a George Young Executive of the Year award winner is hard at work making sure we get the best value possible if these players are foolish enough to want to go somewhere else.

Either Coach Shanahan (2X Super Bowl winner) will be coaching these proven superstars next year, or he will be coaching more valuable players that Allen will procure in exchange for them--players who understand the meaning of "team" and "loyalty".

I don't know about you, but I'm excited as heck about what's happening this offseason!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if this Haynesworth post is JReids RI swan song?

Having two PA's on here is confusing PA...not really sure what side of the debate I'm on now!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Hall isn't overrated. But we've let less talent go & thrive on other squads. It's all about management, in'nit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 11:57 AM

I'm saying Hall is overrated.

Also, someone slipped Alan4 some powerful yay juice ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I can take the new Alan4 for two more weeks...

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I can take the new Alan4 for two more weeks...

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 12:15 PM

Well its only 13.5 days...and today is almost over...so really only 13 days...and if you take out the weekends and holidays...thats only 8 days...and after taking out sleeping hours, etc...its really only like 2 more days.

I like the new Alan4.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Albert could have played more if he was willing to play NT or DE in the base defense. He refused only wanting to play nickel and was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. He was a huge mistake. We should have signed Jason Brown or any other offensive lineman and had a few holes we have now filled with other middle tier free agents with that money. Instead we got 1 large worthless tub of sh*t.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if this Haynesworth post is JReids RI swan song?

Having two PA's on here is confusing PA...not really sure what side of the debate I'm on now!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Reid is lazy. He doesn't have to cut-n-paste for RI anymore, plus he has a long weekend coming up, this is his memorable last post!!!

You should recruit this new PA to be in the SPG PA!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Portis is broken, just really worn down. If he comes back, this'll be his Swan Song, one and he's done!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:06 PM

Even assuming you can beyond the money issue, I just don't see that he warrants the roster spot. The one thing that he does better than any other back on roster is block on passing downs, but that isn't a reason to keep the roster spot open. He's dropped too many after releasing from the block and running along the first down line for the check down pass. Torain is just as good at short yardage (the stuff less than a yard btwn the tackles) and every other RB has softer hands.

It feels like its time to hang up his cleats ... like Samuels ... maybe become and intern coach or something ... or a radio show host ... The BMitch and Clinton Show ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I like the new Alan4.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM

Why, thank you PlayAction! I like you, too :-)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Shamesworth took the money and ran

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 14, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin very Blaine Gabbert this afternoon.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, JASNO, please go, O.K.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 14, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Amen to that. The only silver lining of this crap cloud is that maybe we get a draft pick out of it so in the end Danny Boy may have paid 40 million dollars for a 3rd round draft pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Fine - I'll grant him being overrated. But he's still very good. It's how you use the tools. (Stompy is an excellent example).

PA17 - I don't think anyone is saying the Stompy situation isn't a whopper of a bungle, exascerbated multiple times over! But Haney's only use for us now is as an example of "my way or the highway". It's going to cost us, but it's going to cost him, too.

I vote for buried on bench until someone gives us something tangible for him. He can always retire...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Shamesworth took the money and ran

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 14, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

it was really more of a half @ssed jog. kinda speed walkish like...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I like the new Alan4.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM

Why, thank you PlayAction! I like you, too :-)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 12:22 PM

Emoticons. This is starting to creep me out ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

What I'm saying is the rules are very different for talented people. They don't have to put up with their employers crap.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 12:06 PM
This is what was wrong with the skins for the prior snyder years, now that shanny is trying to change that fans are upset?

Posted by: hcic55 | January 14, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

You should recruit this new PA to be in the SPG PA!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM

You're right...how does the old saying go? Two PA's are better than one? Go ahead and offer him a deal. He has to change his stance on the AH issue though...harmony is the key in the SPG.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin very Blaine Gabbert this afternoon.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2011 12:24 PM

Wait, you're not a 3-4 DT behind a dumpster, are you?

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Portis is broken, just really worn down. If he comes back, this'll be his Swan Song, one and he's done!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:06 PM

Even assuming you can beyond the money issue, I just don't see that he warrants the roster spot. The one thing that he does better than any other back on roster is block on passing downs, but that isn't a reason to keep the roster spot open. He's dropped too many after releasing from the block and running along the first down line for the check down pass. Torain is just as good at short yardage (the stuff less than a yard btwn the tackles) and every other RB has softer hands.

It feels like its time to hang up his cleats ... like Samuels ... maybe become and intern coach or something ... or a radio show host ... The BMitch and Clinton Show ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I do agree that I don't think he will be back, but it'll be mostly due to the money. He was in good shape this year and ran well in the games he actually played in. If they can restructure his deal then he might be back, but as the second fiddle to Torain.

Keeping him wouldn't hurt us that much. We already have our starter in Torain, Portis will be the 2nd RB spotting Torain when tired, and K Williams is going to be groomed into the 3rd down back anyway, but Portis can come in on max protection downs. Plus, we have enough needs at other positions anyway, this way if RB is set then we don't have to waste a draft pick, we can go for one of the other major needs like QB, G, WR, NT, FS, or OLB.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Lots of good RBs in the draft. Smaller stout backs like Dion Lewis, Noel Devine, Ryan Williams can prob be had in the later mid rounds. Im tired of seeing other teams get quality young backs. I would love to see up grab a Rb this year, despite all our needs.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Emoticons. This is starting to creep me out ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 12:29 PM

says dcsween who finishes his post with the emoticon that signifies "wait a minute I just lost my thought can I get back to you about that?"

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I do agree that I don't think he will be back, but it'll be mostly due to the money. He was in good shape this year and ran well in the games he actually played in. If they can restructure his deal then he might be back, but as the second fiddle to Torain.

Keeping him wouldn't hurt us that much. We already have our starter in Torain, Portis will be the 2nd RB spotting Torain when tired, and K Williams is going to be groomed into the 3rd down back anyway, but Portis can come in on max protection downs. Plus, we have enough needs at other positions anyway, this way if RB is set then we don't have to waste a draft pick, we can go for one of the other major needs like QB, G, WR, NT, FS, or OLB.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 12:41 PM
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I agree that the contract is part of the issue. His health is the other side. The dude cannot stay healthy. They could cite the same problem with Torain, and they would be right, but Torain is cheaper. I think the Redskins have a few other guys on the roster worth a look and I am sure they will pick up some running back through free agency that no one has heard of, so I just don't think they will have room on the roster for an overpaid, injury prone running back - even if he is an excellent pass blocker.

My feeling is RT, KW and a couple of backs to be named later will be the opening day running back squad.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin very Blaine Gabbert this afternoon.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2011 12:24 PM

You know who else feels that way? Mel Kiper. Mel was on ESPN yesterday predicting that Gabbert will go between 5 and 10 and will be the first QB selected.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is RT, KW and a couple of backs to be named later will be the opening day running back squad.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 12:58 PM

Your feeling will prove to be correct...however RT and/or KW may be missing from that equation.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is RT, KW and a couple of backs to be named later will be the opening day running back squad.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

That's my feeling also, however with Shanny and Co. in charge expect the unexpected (ie. Mc-Throw-In-Ground).
He likes experienced players over younguns, that why I think there is a slim chance Portis comes back.

Will James Davis be on this team by opening day, that's the mystery question.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Im tired of seeing other teams get quality young backs. I would love to see up grab a Rb this year, despite all our needs.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 12:51 PM


Now, that's Vinnie talk. "Let's ignore our needs again this year and draft someone that another team might need. Let's skip the lines again and grab, I don't know, maybe a running back?"

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Blaine Gabbert

Who ever he is, he needs to change his name.

'Blaine Gabbert' sounds like a soap opera star..

...on the LOGO Network.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Well while its not the most pertinent RB is a need on this team. Most teams draft RBs, crazy me though.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

What I'm saying is the rules are very different for talented people. They don't have to put up with their employers crap.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 12:06 PM

This is what was wrong with the skins for the prior snyder years, now that shanny is trying to change that fans are upset?

Posted by: hcic55 | January 14, 2011 12:31 PM

PAskinsfan17 is right about talented players getting to play by somewhat different rules. But that doesn't have to be a BAD thing! In fact, that's a reason for optimism for ALL of us fans, per Bruce Allen:


Haynesworth isn't talking to head coach Mike Shanahan and has a pending non-injury grievance against the team, but Allen expressed optimism that the situation is salvageable.

"If we give it some time to breathe, hopefully we can come back with a fresh outlook on it," he said.

And why leave the door open for a player who was suspended four games for conduct detrimental to the team?

"Because he's extremely talented," Allen said. "Let's take a look at it at a later time

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I know you dont watch CFB but the backs I listed are all a certain type that I dont think we have on this team but would like to obtain. These players are fast and shifty but still stout.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Well while its not the most pertinent RB is a need on this team. Most teams draft RBs, crazy me though.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:15 PM

While normally I would agree with that...Shanny has the well documented history of pulling RBs out of his rear end.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the peeps from PA (aside from bw26)? Did pabrain get a hold of pa17's computer.

poor Albert- One minute into FA, he signed the biggest contract in the history of the league to play for a team owned by Snyder, Vinny as the GM, and coached by Jerome Zorn.....AND he didn't expect any change over the duration of his contract.

As far as his playing time- He defined his role with the coaches. He SAID he would only play in the nickel. Let's also not forget that he also complained about last YR's 4-3.

This is 100% on him. I look forward to 10 YRs from now when he's as financially bankrupt as he is morally.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanny has the well documented history of pulling RBs out of his rear end.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:20 PM

Not that I doubt you, but have you got some tape of this?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever wake up in the morning, find a turd in the bed and wonder whether it was you or the dog who left that "surprise" in the middle of the night?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 14, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Well while its not the most pertinent RB is a need on this team. Most teams draft RBs, crazy me though.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I would consider RB a very MINOR need. And even though we haven't drafted RB in a while, we do have 3 young RB's, at least 2 of them will make it and continue to improve on this team in Torain and Williams. Until we get a dominant NT, complimentary OLB, ball hawking FS, big bodied WR, good zone blocking G, and franchise QB, maybe then we'll go get a RB that will NOT start for us right now but just ride the pine until he's ready. Yeah, real smart.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Shanny has the well documented history of pulling RBs out of his rear end.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:20 PM

Would be nice if he had an NT or QB in there.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the skins draft that farley kid out of Auburn. He is mean and nasty and that is the attitude we need on the d line. If they keep Haynesworth we need to shed carriker. He was a waste of Money. There are plenty of lineman deep in this draft. Trade albert and get a couple of picks for him and get Farley and Newton.

Posted by: bert3 | January 14, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd also like to add that RBs tend to have shorter careers or are at least a lot more effective in their early years so it makes sense to get the star RB last.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL beep and kerz...I think the first order of business when they "arrive" at Redskin Park is to hit the showers.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I suspect even Albert knows he needs a big year in 2011. His contract ends so he's playing for a contract in 2012 3 straight poor seasons won't result in much $$.

Not that I'd want a guy who only shows up in contract years ... but if he doesn't even show up then, he's toast.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the skins draft that farley kid out of Auburn. He is mean and nasty and that is the attitude we need on the d line. If they keep Haynesworth we need to shed carriker. He was a waste of Money. There are plenty of lineman deep in this draft. Trade albert and get a couple of picks for him and get Farley and Newton.

Posted by: bert3 | January 14, 2011 1:29 PM |

Fairley will be gone top 3 no chance for us and Newton at 10 would be a major mistake considering it will take 2-3 years before he is ready to play NFL QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth was far from the best defensive lineman on the Skins this year (from nfl.com stats):


Defensive Lineman Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
Rk Player Team Pos Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int TDs Yds Lng FF Rec TD
30 Adam Carriker WAS DE 37 22 15 1.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 1 0
38 Kedric Golston WAS DE 35 20 15 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- --
56 Vonnie Holliday WAS DE 29 16 13 2.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- --
56 Maake Kemoeatu WAS NT 29 19 10 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- --
73 Phillip Daniels WAS DE 21 15 6 2.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- --
90 Albert Haynesworth WAS DT 16 13 3 2.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- --

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Trade albert and get a couple of picks for him and get Farley and Newton.

Posted by: bert3 | January 14, 2011 1:29 PM

Not sure how we're going to keep or 10th overall pick and then get an additional pick in the top 3 to draft Fairley. Do you remember the last time we took 2 players from Auburn in the 1st RD? That didn't turn out so well.

Carriker was solid and was a good move by Shanahan- not going to shed him. AH is the guy we need to shed for a 4th RD pick.

Where is your lil buddy Ernie?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Fairley will be gone top 3 no chance for us

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Good, I still think Marcell Dareus would be better for us. I think he fits our scheme better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Siris...what in the heck did you just do to the thread!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

One of your two RB hasnt played a full season since HIGH SCHOOL, the other isa thrid down back by team definition, the other was a PS guy.
I didnt fing say to take them with the #10 you dolts.
And why the F do we need Dlineman i thought our dline was so freagin great.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Something just got f-ed up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse


happy friday RI peeps ! I hope everyone has a great weekend !

HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | January 14, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

This is 100% on him. I look forward to 10 YRs from now when he's as financially bankrupt as he is morally.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 1:21 PM

I'm sure you don't mean that... Haynesworth could just wake up next week in his mansion, look at the rack of keys to all his Ferraris and Bentleys, look around and ask himself, "Did I really earn all this stuff?"

As he reads the morning paper about how his fellow Americans are struggling, and reflects on how immature his "silent treatment" really is, the guilt and shame could drive him to call Coach Shanahan and say, "Boss, what do I have to do to help you win another Super Bowl right now? I want to be the best again!"

You never know... once he's in tip top shape, motivated, and beasting out next year, we might recognize that the combination of Coach Shanahan's tough love and Bruce Allen's persistent faith in his abilities was all he really needed to fulfill his potential!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

We need better talent all around. I think this is a good year to draft a dynamic back which we havent done in a long time.
People want a qb with our first pick but are gonna get their panties ina bunch if we take a back in the later rounds. Once again i just dont get it...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"He was paid to play football. He wasn't paid to play good football. There's nothing in the contract stating he has to try really hard to learn new things. He's doing just enough to not terminate his contract, collect his bonus checks, and that's completely legal. My point is that we lied to him and he's pissed off. That's the situation we're in. You guys think he should suck it and play NT but my question for you is why would he? He already got his money and if we void his contract he'll just sign somewhere else and play 1 gap 4-3 DT. That's what he wants. Why would he try to play NT here? I don't get this line of thinking. It doesn't make sense."

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 11:20 AM

First of all, I'm fairly certain that there is language in the standard NFL contract that requires players to try to perform to the best of their ability while playing, unenforceable as it may be, so just running out onto the field when required shouldn't cut it. Second, unless I missed something, the only people who have talked about what the 'Skins told Haynesworth when he signed are AH himself and his mouthpiece agent, not exactly unimpeachable, disinterested sources.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 14, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 14, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Siris...what in the heck did you just do to the thread!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I blame beep-beep, not doing his job as blog leader I see. Can we get a vote for a new leader!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Siris...what in the heck did you just do to the thread!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I blame beep-beep, not doing his job as blog leader I see. Can we get a vote for a new leader!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:58 PM

Beep...can you please restore order here...this sh!t is seriously hurting my eyes...damn.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I've found numerous lima-beans that look exactly like The Leader.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 14, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Nice siris!!! Good to see some innovation taking place up here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Now I understand why Alan4 has changed:


Wobbly Earth means your horoscope is wrong
Stars shifted over 2,000 years so horoscope signs are nearly a month off

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41062376/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

One of your two RB hasnt played a full season since HIGH SCHOOL, the other isa thrid down back by team definition, the other was a PS guy.
I didnt fing say to take them with the #10 you dolts.
And why the F do we need Dlineman i thought our dline was so freagin great.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Um, first off you can try getting back on your meds cause you're acting like a lunatic right now.

We have a 1st Rd pick, which hopefully goes to something like QB, WR, or OLB, a 2nd pick where maybe we can get a G or NT, then we don't pick again until the 5th. MAYBE Shanny picks a RB in the later rounds, but I thought he was going to do that last year and it never happened. If he found players like Banks and Williams in the FA Draft, maybe he just waits till then to get a BACKUP RB and saves a pick for someone we can actually use.

How are they MY RB's? Sure I think they are young and will improve in the future, but I would love an upgrade just like you, but we have more pressing needs at the moment.

You've been kackling about RB this and RB that for the last hour, maybe it's time you give it a rest, you sound like pabrian2003 with his whole 'Old Soup' this and 'New Soupster' that rant.

See, you've been talking about it so much you broke the thread. Next topic please....

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is RT, KW and a couple of backs to be named later will be the opening day running back squad.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

That's my feeling also, however with Shanny and Co. in charge expect the unexpected (ie. Mc-Throw-In-Ground).
He likes experienced players over younguns, that why I think there is a slim chance Portis comes back.

Will James Davis be on this team by opening day, that's the mystery question.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 1:06 PM
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Based on how the season began I think you could say Shanahan was more for experience, but after a few weeks Portis was relegated to passing downs back, Galloway was cut, Armstrong was promoted, Lichtensteiger replaced Dockery... a lot of young players got thrown in there. The replacement process was so widespread that I think it was part of a plan to start with veteran reliability and then gradually ease the young guys in. Portis was effectively replaced by Torain before he went down with injury, so I don't see him coming back. For all the talk about James Davis, I didn't see much that impressed me and, based on his playing time, he didn't show the coaches much, either. A lot of young backs struggle with pass protection and blitz pickups, so maybe he just needs a little more work in that area.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse


It makes sense for both parties for Fat Albert to come back to the Redskins next year--in shape and will;ing to play where ordered.

FOR REDSKINS: Be lucky to get a bucket of balls for him in a trade. They've invested 35 mil and have nothing to show. With a good year under his belt, may be able to trade him for a decent pick after next season.

FOR FAT ALBERT: He's a punchline. He's a football joke. His so-called rep is in tatters. By putting together a good season, he gets back some of his rep, and improves his chances to play elsewhere next year.

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

This is 100% on him. I look forward to 10 YRs from now when he's as financially bankrupt as he is morally.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 1:21 PM

I'm sure you don't mean that... Haynesworth could just wake up next week in his mansion, look at the rack of keys to all his Ferraris and Bentleys, look around and ask himself, "Did I really earn all this stuff?"

As he reads the morning paper about how his fellow Americans are struggling, and reflects on how immature his "silent treatment" really is, the guilt and shame could drive him to call Coach Shanahan and say, "Boss, what do I have to do to help you win another Super Bowl right now? I want to be the best again!"

You never know... once he's in tip top shape, motivated, and beasting out next year, we might recognize that the combination of Coach Shanahan's tough love and Bruce Allen's persistent faith in his abilities was all he really needed to fulfill his potential!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2011 1:49 PM
The day that happens will be the same day President Obama shows up for a press conference in a pink tu-tu to announce he is a card carrying member of the NRA.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Based on how the season began I think you could say Shanahan was more for experience, but after a few weeks Portis was relegated to passing downs back, Galloway was cut, Armstrong was promoted, Lichtensteiger replaced Dockery... a lot of young players got thrown in there. The replacement process was so widespread that I think it was part of a plan to start with veteran reliability and then gradually ease the young guys in. Portis was effectively replaced by Torain before he went down with injury, so I don't see him coming back. For all the talk about James Davis, I didn't see much that impressed me and, based on his playing time, he didn't show the coaches much, either. A lot of young backs struggle with pass protection and blitz pickups, so maybe he just needs a little more work in that area.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure at the beginning of the year Shanahan was in the mentality that this team was better than most people thought and we only need a player here or there to take us to the playoffs. I think as the year went on and we kept losing and the older players kept disappointing, that's when he started switching to the youth movement. With Dockery, I just think he was being more loyal to his Denver guy, and the writing was on the wall for Torain to eventually take over for Portis whether he got injured or not.

Pass protection is what I'd like K. Williams to work on the most, he showed good hands and some shiftiness last year for a back his size.

James Davis won't make it on this team, in fact he probably won't make it past Training Camp, book it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

^21^

Stu27 is on point or as some people say spot on.

@MonteColeman51, after reading all of the posts I beleieve Stu27 has represented our point on ALL FRONTS. I agree with him.

Shanahan would have had Sean Taylor playing LB, just to show who is in charge.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 14, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It makes sense for both parties for Fat Albert to come back to the Redskins next year--in shape and will;ing to play where ordered.

FOR REDSKINS: Be lucky to get a bucket of balls for him in a trade. They've invested 35 mil and have nothing to show. With a good year under his belt, may be able to trade him for a decent pick after next season.

FOR FAT ALBERT: He's a punchline. He's a football joke. His so-called rep is in tatters. By putting together a good season, he gets back some of his rep, and improves his chances to play elsewhere next year.

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2011 2:23 PM
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Shanahan is done with this guy. What you wrote has some merit and I think we will all hear some noise about reconciliation in the next few weeks. Haynesworth could say he was still grieving over his step brother's death and Shanahan could take the high road and say Al can still play at a high level. The whole time we hear this both sides will be exploring every angle to get his butt out of DC. Washington will get a draft pick for Haynesworth. It won't be a high pick but it'll be a pick, and Shanahan will take it. Shanahan is done with him. This is Daryl Gardener 2.0.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Wobbly Earth means your horoscope is wrong

Stars shifted over 2,000 years so horoscope signs are nearly a month off

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 2:20 PM

So is today really December 14...or February 14...I need to know asap if I need to go Christmas shopping...or grab flowers on the way home for Valentines Day!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

FOR REDSKINS: Be lucky to get a bucket of balls for him in a trade.

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's a deal! Maybe now we can trade those balls for that Hamm Sandvitch we've been targeting, cause Haynesworth's balls aren't good for anything but making sperm for impregnating 'dancers'.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Video Beeps

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

the skins will get something for haynesworth. more then one 4-3 team will want him "freelancing" on its line

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 14, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

could use some coffee.

The best cup o' coffee for a man with a woman is to wake up to some early morning 'choochie-coo'.

I tried to get some this morning, but mrsmoe was too busy pouring a cup for some other dude.

Posted by: MistaMoe

And a fine cuppa joe, it was.

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

all you fools need to be quite AH has learned his lesson and shanny did not handle him right he will be a beast next year,he is staying there is to much invested in him...idiots.If he went some where else and played his a@@ off you would regret it, so be quite and move on and look foward to next year.

Posted by: rdbdaddy | January 14, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

All of this talk by Allen is a smoke screen...Previously it was assumed AH was finished here and all any team had to do was wait until he was released...

Now the dumb Redskins have gotten smart and realize their loud mouth has hurt them and are trying to put a positive spin on AH for a future trade...

Same scenario with McNabb...he won't be back and can be had for almost nothing...

Posted by: pentagon40 | January 14, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

fugg the Skins!! Haynesworth and Donovan need to just leave so all these Shanahan apologist can keep going out to FedEx spending their money like idiots. Skins fans are more concerned with how much money athletes make than actually watching and appreciating the game. If Skin fans could get pass the money Gen X hip hop ballers make maybe we could make progress with 21st century football. Haynesworth and McNabb need to rip us off!! Just take the money and laugh at us. We deserve it. I wish those two players well. I wish the Shanahan's were in HELL!!

Posted by: kentonsmith | January 14, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

f THE Skins!! Haynesworth and Donovan need to just leave so all these Shanahan apologist can keep going out to FedEx spending their money like idiots. Skins fans are more concerned with how much money athletes make than actually watching and appreciating the game. If Skin fans could get pass the money Gen X hip hop ballers make maybe we could make progress with 21st century football. Haynesworth and McNabb need to rip us off!! Just take the money and laugh at us. We deserve it. I wish those two players well. I wish the Shanahan's were in HE!!

Posted by: kentonsmith | January 14, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

FOR FAT ALBERT: He's a punchline. He's a football joke. His so-called rep is in tatters. By putting together a good season, he gets back some of his rep, and improves his chances to play elsewhere next year.
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Sad thing about stupid Skin fans is they really believe this crap. Albert is one of the best players in the NFL. If you don't realize that...then you DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL!! You're just an old blow hard piss off about the money these brothers are making in sports. Ignorance and old fashioned minded people are destroying the Skins. I'm through with this team and it's Tea Party Fans.

Posted by: kentonsmith | January 14, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

dump this fat lazy ghetto thug!!!

Posted by: derek1992 | January 14, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Boy am I ignorant, I didn't know that Bruce Allen owned Kool Aid!

Duh!

Posted by: burro2 | January 14, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth would be a force at DE if Shanny would drop the Ego let the man play.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | January 14, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

great posturing by Allen....

Haynesworth knows that if he ever wants to play football again......he has to pay back the REDSKINS 14.6 Mil in order to be traded or released.

His base salaries are cheap......so the REDSKINS could sit him for eternity if they so choose.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | January 15, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth and McNabb have as much chance of coming back in 2011 as I do being elected the next Maryland U.S. senator. Why would Allen even float such an idea except as trade bait.

Posted by: shiners56 | January 15, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth and McNabb have as much chance of coming back in 2011 as I do being elected the next Maryland U.S. senator. Why would Allen even float such an idea except as trade bait.

Posted by: shiners56 | January 15, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth and McNabb have as much chance of coming back in 2011 as I do being elected the next Maryland U.S. senator. Why would Allen even float such an idea except as trade bait.
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Short answer: As trade bait.

Long answer: As opposed to the last 10 years, they're finally committed to getting "something" for their failed acquisitions rather than just releasing players they gave up top picks and payed millions for.

Posted by: mac2j | January 15, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I am among those few who believe Albert is a fantastic defenseman. Geeze, kill the 3-4 an allow our D to do play the defense they were good at. Haslett is the problem. Wish we coul trade him instead!

Posted by: jighazelton | January 15, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe this is still being discussed. After the way Haynesworth conducted himself this season, how could he possibly be trusted?

Posted by: scg1055 | January 16, 2011 2:06 AM | Report abuse

I have the perfect Redskins front office trade.
1. Trade draft picks and use all the cap money for one overpriced washed-up superstar.
2. Ignore all other player positions.
3. Raise season ticket prices.
4. After a 1-5 start, hire some consultants and play-callers.
5. Blame the Coaching staff and Quarterback when the team goes 3-13.
6. GoTo step 1.

Posted by: RalphZero | January 16, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Big ups to Mike Tice! Chicago's offensive line was garbage earlier this year. Tice has them playing pretty well. Nice coaching job.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 16, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth is retained by the Redskins after all that has happened in 2010 and the team sticks to a 3-4 I am going to skip watching this team in the preseason and into next year.

For a team to allow one player to take the organization down this hard is unforgiveable.

Admit the mistake and move on.

The Raiders moved on from JaMarcus Russell, the Chargers moved on from Ryan Leaf.

At some point sanity has to return to this team.

All this is now is good money being thrown after bad and time wasted on a guy who will never help this team win anything of importance.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | January 17, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's just say this "I sure hope not" - that's probably the opinion of the majprity of the fanbase here in DC and also probably the guys in the locker room at Redskin Park. This guys is a lazy,self-centered lump. Is he talented - yeah, but so what - he's a cancer and needs to be gone - send hm someplace like Buffalo, or Cleveland hwere it's cold, nasty and he'll have to work hard. Let's see how the lump likes them apples.

Posted by: whelms1 | January 17, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear: it is not possible (unless a miracle happens and new CBA is created well before the draft) for teams to trade players for draft picks.

Does create an interesting challenge for teams that might be interested in McNabb: do they draft a QB (high pick) or are they so sure that they can get McNabb that they don't.

I think most GMs/coaches would talk themselves into finding "their guy", not gambling the season on whether they can sign a certain FA or make a certain trade.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 13, 2011 2:45 PM
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Well, that's the elephant sitting in the living room for all of our speculation, isn't it? I mean, if you come down to it, even the draft is meaningless if it's a lockout year. I'm going to keep speculating and hoping the owners blink.


Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 13, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gents, pardon my ignorace but are you sure that is true- teams cannot trade players right now, at least not picks? Could we trade players for other players right now? I guess I've been under a rock, I didn't realize the CBA has already expired...seems odd given that the season is still ongoing.

Thanks for any info you can provide this hermit.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 18, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Cut him loose. The 09 season made the Skins look ridiculous and we changed that. The 10 season we looked abusive benching McNabb and the Haynesworth running feud. We are going to have a hard time getting players to come here if we look like a team that just abuses people, deserved or not. Will be much easier to get the players we need and want if we have a good reputation as a team the players want to be on and play for. End the misery and the bad press that comes with it.

Posted by: skins50 | January 19, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

They way I understand it, the CBA expired but had a clause that for 1 additional year they would work under the existing CBA without a salary cap. I believe that was to go thru the draft in 2011. So I think the draft is under the same rules. But there is no pre-season without a new CBA. Do not know what that does to mini-camps, but assume they may be scheduled, but doubt anyone shows up. And of course, drafted players probably won't be in any hurry to sign since there is no where to go.

Posted by: skins50 | January 19, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

As for AH, we just need to trade and try to get anything we can. A 5th-7th, a low round pick in the 2012 draft, or a bag a nickels. We just need to send him anywhere, but in the division. The team will benefit from having the distraction gone. AH was a complete disaster for us. He and Shanny made this franchise the biggest joke in the NFL this year. Gettin rid of him, can't come fast enough. With AH gone, that gives Shanny the ability to start gaining the trust of the players. He'll be able to continue instilling the kind of discipline and accountability that's necessary to build a competitive and contending franchise.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 19, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

The fact that anyone actually wants AH to stay is ridiculous. Not only is he a giant spoiled baby, he's a bad player on this team who took MILLIONS of dollars for nothing! I don't care if he is a good player or not; if he doesn't play while he is on our team it doesn't matter.

Waste of space, waste of money. Waste of our continued patience.

Posted by: thekels | January 20, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

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