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Posted at 10:00 AM ET, 12/ 8/2010

Defensive players say they'll 'kinda miss' Haynesworth in games

By Jason Reid

Despite having a limited role in only eight games, suspended Redskins defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth is second on the team with 2½ sacks.

Haynesworth needed to be suspended for the final four games because of his attitude, veterans said, but the Redskins will miss his ability to rush the passer.

"He only plays on third downs. We will kinda miss him on third downs," cornerback Carlos Rogers said. "I've seen plays from either last year or earlier this year when him and [outside linebacker Brian] Orakpo on that same side, they doing they line stunts, they can make plays. They open up lanes for each other. We'll miss that."

But removing Haynesworth from the team is still a net gain, linebacker Andre Carter said.

"Was this part of the issue? It was an issue overall because, as players, we just got so tired and fed up with it," Carter said. "It's nipped in the bud now, so we can just go on and focus on what we have to do."

By Jason Reid  | December 8, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense, Albert Haynesworth, Andre Carter, Carlos Rogers  | Tags:  Albert Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan, suspension  
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Carter said: "It's nipped in the bud now, so we can just go on and focus on what we have to do."


Waiting until there are 4 games left and you're out of the playoffs is NOT nipping it in the bud. It's the opposite of nipping it in the bud.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


Alan4 writes...
Why are we focused on Haynesworth instead of the terrible product the Skins braintrust has put on the field over the past few weeks?

This team is playing worse as the season goes on.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 9:56 AM
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good post..

If you compare the Redskins performance as a team BEFORE the yanking of McNabb at the 2 minute warning in Detroit (in a still very winnable game) and how poorly and uninspired they have played since..... I would submit that Shanahan's drill sargeant "you're out of shape" move of benching McNabb at the 2 minute warning, did more harm to this team than AH ever has.

It has clearly been two different teams before and after Shanny's idiotic ego benching of McNabb. The team, since then, has progressively played worse against less regarded teams (Giants notwithstanding).

And if you dont think a player's attitude and motivation isnt affected by their opinion and respect of the Head Coach, just look at what has happened in Dallas. Undefeated with the same personnel but a new Head Coach..

Shanny's control freak act eventually wore thin in Denver with the players..and he knew he was done.... Looks like the same has happened here in less than a season.

He should step down as HC and retire to the front office, the game has passed him and his 1970's antiquated coaching tactics, by. You dont motivate and gain respect of today's NFL players by using "benching" as a weapon.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

http://deadspin.com/5708279/albert-haynesworth-was-barhopping-thursday-late-for-practice-friday-suspended-for-rest-of-season-today

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2010 4:18 AM
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picture is worth a thousand words... fat albert got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lied... at least own up to the fact that you like to rage and dc is a great place to rage!!!

albert just wasn't smart about partying... dexter partied and was loved... riggo partied and is a legend in this town!!!

fat ablert just didn't want to party and work like dexter and riggo!!!

fat ablert took the money and ran... f u fat bastard!!!
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Dude if we were to suspend every player thats out in Reston drinking on weeknight the redskins would currently not exists and we would have won ZERO superbowls. All your favs were tanked up a lot. Cant believe skins fans are making a big deal about a football player out driking. Plus its the freakin Tap Room its not DC9 or some ish. Not that that would even matter to me. Hogs-drunks, Riggo-stinking drunk, Theismann-angry drunk bad tipper...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 9:27 AM
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the drunks you mentioned showed up for work and crushed everything on and off the field (literally & figuratively)... they all loved dc & dc loved them!!!

fat albert didn't seem to work hard or put in the work and that's why he will be forever hated!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 9:34 AM
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You missed the major difference...when Riggo went out and got ripped, he'd run for a game-winning TD in the SB. When the Hogs went out and got drunk, they opened holes in defenses so big you could drive trucks through 'em. When AH goes out and gets loaded, he half-asses practice, fails conditioning tests, takes cart rides to the locker room for a bruised buttcheek, and lays down in the turf watching Michael Vick do his thing. Let me know when the light comes on for you...

Nobody cares if you party like a superstar if you do the work to be one on the field too. We can laugh and feel good about Riggo and the Hogs drinking in the shed because they've got rings. What has AH or Rod Gardner or Devin Thomas done to earn any benefit of the doubt?

Nothing. Which is exactly what their careers are.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 9:46 AM
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my point exactly... i agree w/ you brownwood...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 8, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

ORCHARD PARK — The Buffalo Bills have placed guard Kraig Urbik on the season-ending injured reserve list and promoted guard Chad Rinehart from their practice squad.


The moves were made Tuesday, two days after Urbik hurt his right knee in a 38-14 loss at Minnesota. Urbik started the game at right guard, but was hurt filling in at center after Geoff Hangartner hurt his right knee.
Hangartner has been ruled out from playing Sunday, when Buffalo (2-10) hosts Cleveland (5-7).


Rinehart signed with Buffalo in October after being released by the Jets. He appeared in five games with Washington over the previous two seasons. The Bills also signed center Sean Allen to their practice squad.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

This is in a fraction of the snaps that they have had. This guy could play, we didnt let him thats the bottom line for me, thats my take.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:04 AM |

Well, if you are to believe Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen it's not "we didn't let him play," it's he refused to play in our base defense and on 1st and 2nd downs. If this is true then what you sau is inherently wrong.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Yeh thats the thing. Thats my take. I think that AH was more willing to play then people are giving him credit. Unfortunelty we will prob never know due to Shanny authoritative nature. Fact is that AH was by far our most productive Dlinman on the year. This does not bode well for next year, how do we replace him and the other starters that are clearly worse then him in one offseason???

Plus AH might still be on the team by the end of the year, think about that for a sec...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Yeh thats the thing. Thats my take. I think that AH was more willing to play then people are giving him credit. Unfortunelty we will prob never know due to Shanny authoritative nature. Fact is that AH was by far our most productive Dlinman on the year. This does not bode well for next year, how do we replace him and the other starters that are clearly worse then him in one offseason???

Plus AH might still be on the team by the end of the year, think about that for a sec...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:26 AM

I hear ya stu. My take is that there are usually 2 sides to every story and both usually have some truth to it. Thing is, we knew Hayney was a POS before he got here. His personal "issues" kind of point to a bigger problem with this guy and we know he takes plays off. I'm inclined to believe that he is lazy when he often showed it on the field at time. It's like the guy is bi polar in his play or something. Anyway, Shanny can't bend the rules for this guy, he should have been gone much earlier. Shanny ain't perfect for sure but he's here and we need to deal with it instead of canning another coach and starting again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Well, if you are to believe Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen ... he refused to play...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 10:21 AM

And that's a big "IF". Because if you beleive Mike Shanahan, McNabb couldn't run the 2 minute drill because a) he was out of shape and/or b) he didn't understand the plays.

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

BIg picture here, repeat after me -
It's the owner's fault
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Posted by: David90 | December 8, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I am sick of listening to the whining from these aging vets who are clearly trying to brown nose Shanahan in hopes of staying around another year. On the one hand, you can't really blame them, since it's clear now that he is looking for asskissers first. But if you just got run over by the Giants in another laugher, you probably should keep your mouth shut and your head down.

In a sane world, the entire staff would be fired, but Snyder's past reputation probably makes that a bad idea. The alternative is for us to suffer through another two years of the Shanahan mind games while we hopefully rebuild. Then bring in a competent coach.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 8, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, if you are to believe Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen ... he refused to play...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 10:21 AM

And that's a big "IF". Because if you beleive Mike Shanahan, McNabb couldn't run the 2 minute drill because a) he was out of shape and/or b) he didn't understand the plays.

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM

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ditto,
pretty much what the players think of Shanahan now, too. He back peddled 4 times with multiple reasons for the 2 minute warning benching in public interviews.
Consequently, Shanahan has lost the respect of the players.. and their on-field play, since then, shows it.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I think that AH was more willing to play then people are giving him credit. Unfortunelty we will prob never know due to Shanny authoritative nature.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 10:26 AM |

No, we already know and you're wrong. Here, Sally Jenkins explains it for you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120707586.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't know who Shanahan thinks he is with all of this deciding who plays and who doesn't stuff. It's almost like he thinks he's in charge or something.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM

You don't have to believe him. You can look at his performance on and off the field. Here, Sally Jenkins explains it for you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120707586.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4

Because London Fletcher, Andre Carter, Vonnie Holiday and Phillip Daniels all called Albert out about being selfish. You might not believe Shanahan or Allen but those guys creditability is unquestioned. AH needed to go period. He's the largest monument of the failed Cerrato era and we can't turn the page with constant distraction of someone is refusing to be a professional and being paid 41 million to do it.

Posted by: forever8-8 | December 8, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm done talking about Fat Albert. Let's talk football!

I actually saw a lot to be encouraged about in the Giants game (aside from all of the fumbles).

The O-line was actually giving McNabb a decent amount of time to throw, even after we were far behind and the Giants knew we were going to throw.

James Davis had holes to run through, and mas making decent gains befor we got too far behind and had to abandon the runing game.

The fact is our offense was doing a consistently good job of moving the ball. It was the fumbles that killed us.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

BIg picture here, repeat after me -
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault

Posted by: David90 | December 8, 2010 10:38

So? What difference does it make?

Truth is, it's Albert Haynesworth's fault. Now that we've settled that, so what?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

He's the largest monument of the failed Cerrato era and we can't turn the page with constant distraction of someone is refusing to be a professional and being paid 41 million to do it.

Posted by: forever8-8 | December 8, 2010 10:46 AM
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ref the Vinny "monument"... AH, yes, and the 2008 Draft is right up there, too.. Whose still left from that Draft? Horton, who is riding the bench, now.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I would appreciate an update on Ryan Torain's return to practice.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM

You don't have to believe him. You can look at his performance on and off the field. Here, Sally Jenkins explains it for you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120707586.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 10:45 AM


I looked over the article, and the first question that popped into my head: who was Sally Jenkins' source for this article?

Then I read she had a telephone interview with Shanahan. Got it.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

p1- get back to me when you've figured out what Shanahan should have done with a guy that was given 34 million last year and since he took over the job did the exact opposite of what you'd expect from someone that was GIVEN 34 MILLION.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse


Shanny should have cut bait at the trading deadline and lived with getting pennies on the dollar back, and then moved forward with life.

The money's gone. He's suspended now and is going to lose what? 900K on a 41 million dollar deal?

Was all this extra grief worth 900K to the powers that be, especially when you have added to the devaluation of the player? No one is going to trade anything for him now? Everyone knows that he's going to get cut.

Before the trading deadline, Shanny could get a pass for all the nonsense that he inherited.

After the deadline, it's his to own.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Beep, all you'll get from Alan is that Sally Jenkins is a hack and that Shanahan can't be trusted. Then it'll be Fletcher doesn't play AH's position, so what does he know? Then Holliday is a backup, he's just jealous.

It's everyone's fault but AH. He's the victim...how dare anyone expect him to earn his money. The horror...

*end sarcasm*

Jenkins did nail it on the head with her column, though. Shanahan's biggest fail is not getting rid of AH sooner, not trying to hold the fat load accountable...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Whose still left from that Draft? Horton, who is riding the bench, now.

don't let facts get in the way of your 'logic'.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, you're right. Sally Jenkins deserves a Pulitzer and Shanahan should be nominated for Coach of the Year.

Cut Haynesworth and the Skins are Super Bowl Bound!!!!

*end sarcasm*


This team is a mess, and Shanahan plays a role in that. After all, he's the leader.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

No, we already know and you're wrong. Here, Sally Jenkins explains it for you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120707586.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 10:43 AM

Beeps, when you start presenting the worst writer on the WaPo sports staff (yes WORSE than Wise), you are truly lost.

Sally Jenkins doesn't know a damn thing about the Redskins or football. She lives in New York and ONLY writes when there is something bad happening.

Moving on...

Posted by: edvar | December 8, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Okay but really where does our D line stand next year. We subtract the most productive player that took the fewest snaps. How much hope is there for KG, Maake, Adam C getting the job done this year. Who do we keep for next year, what do we add?

Obv NT but what else. Looks to me like we also need better caliber players at DE.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Before the trading deadline, Shanny could get a pass for all the nonsense that he inherited.

After the deadline, it's his to own.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2010 10:51 AM

100% agree...I don't know why he felt the need to bend over backwards to make this work. I just hope it didn't have to do with Snyder...

At the end of the day, whether you get a 1st round pick for AH or a 4th round pick or a soft pretzel...the money spent is the EXACT same. No amount of spin or trade compensation changes the fact you got hosed and made a monumentally awful investment. I'll never understand how a team without a 4th round pick can so callously turn its nose up at a 4th round pick for a guy they weren't using anyway...THAT is on Shanahan, not trying to hold a career malcontent accountable for holding up his end of the bargain.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

In the Giants game, the Redskins converted 42% of their 3rd downs. The Giants only 20%.

J. Davis averaged 4.4 yards per carry on 9 rushes. He had an additional 41 yards on 3 receptions. K. Williams averaged 5.8 yards per carry on 5 rushes.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Beeps, when you start presenting the worst writer on the WaPo sports staff (yes WORSE than Wise), you are truly lost.

Sally Jenkins doesn't know a damn thing about the Redskins or football. She lives in New York and ONLY writes when there is something bad happening.

Posted by: edvar | December 8, 2010 11:02 AM


First of all, NOBODY is worse than Wise. When Jenkins blatantly makes up a story, you'll have an argument. Until then, Wise is a no account hack with a fraction of the insight and common sense of the next worst WaPo writer (and IMO that would be Tracee whats-her-face).

And since when do you need to know football or live in Washington to have a take on the Redskins? Any national news they make is bad news and they put up winning seasons about as often as we see presidental elections. The mere fact that we're discussing an AH suspension instead of playoff scenarios is proof positive.

I'm not the biggest Jenkins fan, but when she's right I'll give her props. If we're gonna short her for having quotes from Shanahan, then we should dock Wise points for having LaVar as his pipeline to Redskins info...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 8, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"He only plays on third downs. We will kinda miss him on third downs," cornerback Carlos Rogers said.


An unnamed part time player gets full time attention.

Only in RI does this happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Follow the leader to the signing bonus post.

Follow

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM |

That's simple, it's Albert "I knock up strippers and lay down on the field" Haynesworth

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The Bog has a good reminder of the waste of space that Albert is (The 5 Worst Haynesworth Moments in DC). For all you apologists, please remember, fat Al was sent home by Zorn too, and complained about the 4-3 Blache ran.

Like many have said...it's always something with Al, but it's never his fault, always the other guy.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 8, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't know who Shanahan thinks he is with all of this deciding who plays and who doesn't stuff. It's almost like he thinks he's in charge or something.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, I mean who does he think he is? The Head Coach of a pro football team?

That's exactly who he is, a head coach who is in charge of building a winning team and culture.

Albert my friends, is not a part of a winning culture. Not here, not anywhere. He is talented, but he's not a winner.

Posted by: Devo2 | December 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Was this part of the issue? It was an issue overall because, as players, we just got so tired and fed up with it," Carter said. "It's nipped in the bud now, so we can just go on and focus on what we have to do."

So Al was the reason no of you could tackle last Sunday. What a damn joke that is.

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS PLAN GIANT FAREWELL CARD FOR HAYNESWORTH

ASHBURN, VA -- The Washington Redskins are inviting fans of Albert Haynesworth to sign a giant farewell card to the beloved big guy during their next-to-last home game of the season this weekend at FEDEX Field.

According to team officials, fans are invited to bring indelible markers to the stadium for this Sunday's game, and write their farewell messages to Albert on the doors of all stadium bathrooms -- which will then be collected and hinged together into a giant-sized fold-out metal card for the defensive lineman.

According to a team spokesman, "It's the least we could do for the big guy -- especially considering how much sh!t he's put us through already -- this sort of card just seems like the right way to express our gratitude to him for bringing the fan base back together again."

Posted by: Vic1 | December 8, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 10:18 AM
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you're right...Shanahan has ruined what good we had left...i know he thinks as well as other think he's very smart..but if he was so smart he would have found some common ground with his best DLineman..he has essentually through this season away..and he decided that in the Detroit game...what a pr!ck!...if he gets fired at the end of the season I for one will be glad...then we could get Dungy, Cowher, heck i'll even take Gruden...but Shanahan is not what the Skins need.

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 8, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

And that's a big "IF". Because if you beleive Mike Shanahan, McNabb couldn't run the 2 minute drill because a) he was out of shape and/or b) he didn't understand the plays.

Why should I beleive what Shanahan says about Haynesworth,after his laughable assertions about McNabb?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 10:33 AM
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Must be nice living in a world of fantasy.
First. Shanahan never said that McNabb couldn’t run the 2 minute offense because he was out of shape
Second. Why should you believe Shanahan? You don’t have to. You just need to see how Fat Albert has comported himself in and off the field. You just need to listen to other players talk about his lack of effort, You just need to see him take a nap during a crucial play on a game. You just need to have been (like me) at the bar until early morning hours and see Fat Albert training for the game. I can go on, and on, and on… and on … but you will probably refuse to leave the fantasy world you are in.

Posted by: hock1 | December 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/20/sports/pro-football-redskins-1-2-facing-paying-a-heavy-price.html

I know this is ten years old, but I had no idea about this.

It says all you need to know about Dan Snyder, his gouging of the Redskins fans, and how all of his moves backfire.

Just amazing.

Posted by: keithrjackson | December 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

forever 8-8

Because London Fletcher, Andre Carter, Vonnie Holiday and Phillip Daniels all called Albert out about being selfish. You might not believe Shanahan or Allen but those guys creditability is unquestioned. AH needed to go period. He's the largest monument of the failed Cerrato era and we can't turn the page with constant distraction of someone is refusing to be a professional and being paid 41 million to do it.

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Get real the bum a*rse veteran players you are talking about just got pummeled 31-3 and the Giants ran all over them and Haynesworth did not even play. We went from top 10 defense to 32nd overall out of 32 teams and it is like they are scapegoating this guy and happy too bad mouth him, because it takes our minds off of bashing them and this dysfunctional coaching staff. Haynesworth has played in only 25% of the snaps and has more sacks and more tackles than any other defensive line. What will they tell us this week when 2nd year quarterback Josh Freeman and 1st year running back Legarret Blount pummel them, that it was Haynesworth's fault.

Posted by: impartial1 | December 8, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Must be nice living in a world of fantasy.
First. Shanahan never said that McNabb couldn’t run the 2 minute offense because he was out of shape
Second. Why should you believe Shanahan? You don’t have to. You just need to see how Fat Albert has comported himself in and off the field. You just need to listen to other players talk about his lack of effort, You just need to see him take a nap during a crucial play on a game. You just need to have been (like me) at the bar until early morning hours and see Fat Albert training for the game. I can go on, and on, and on… and on … but you will probably refuse to leave the fantasy world you are in.


Posted by: hock1 | December 8, 2010 11:52 AM


Poor cardiovascular endurance = out of shape. It's a rough translation, but you're quibbling if yoy think it's not accurate.

I'm not saying Haynesworth is without fault. I'm just saying I don't believe everything Shanahan says hock1, line, and sinker.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey if the players that actually were on the field just did there jobs this wouldnt be happening right now and if we had better gameplans we also would be better...Now players defensive players might i add are trying to blame hayensworth for their bad play what a joke.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

^21^

Oh and how many plays has Andre Carter made this season. NONE.

We are a team filled with BUMS who can talk to the press but can't play football.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | December 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

An open note to all the geniuses who use anything other than wins and losses (e.g. unit or positional rankings) to rate a defnese or team.

A team can go 0-16 losing every game 0-3 and still have/be the #1 STATISTICALLY ranked defense in points allowed, yards allowed, TDs allowed, sacks achieved, INTs made, and almost any other defensive category you can name.

Does it make them dominant? Not by far.

Does it make that team the "best" defense? Not in any meaningful way.

Wins make winners. Nothing else.

Sure that is an extremely unlikely (and drastically oversimplified) example, but it is only to illustrate the point.

What does giving up the fewest yards (say 285 yards a game) matter if evey 75 yards equals a TD allowed? That's STILL 18 points [PLUS potential extra point after for each].

One stat matters. Points allowed.

If it is zero (or at least UNDER 10) you'll generally win more games than you lose.

Not a sermon, just a thought...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: David90 | December 8, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

BIg picture here, repeat after me -
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
It's the owner's fault
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I said the exact same yesterday though not eloquent as you. But I will repeat after you, "It's the owner's fault."

Posted by: katedog | December 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Whose still left from that Draft? Horton, who is riding the bench, now.

don't let facts get in the way of your 'logic'.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse


Hey Greg, Chris Horton went on IR on 11/11/2010 with a toe injury that will require surgery & will probably end his career as a Redskin, if not in the NFL.

Posted by: FormerBullisBulldog | December 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 10:18 AM
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you're right...Shanahan has ruined what good we had left...i know he thinks as well as other think he's very smart..but if he was so smart he would have found some common ground with his best DLineman..he has essentually through this season away..and he decided that in the Detroit game...what a pr!ck!...if he gets fired at the end of the season I for one will be glad...then we could get Dungy, Cowher, heck i'll even take Gruden...but Shanahan is not what the Skins need.

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 8, 2010 11:42 AM |

Count me in that group. I'd drop this whole Shanaclan in a hot minute. Mistake. Move on. Like I would have done with Fatsworth before game 1 this year.

I really wanted Shanahan, too. I didn't like Gruden because, well, he's Gruden. I mean, he's getting choked up about Michael Vick. But Shanahan turned out to be something other than what was reported. It was all about his intelligence and integrity and he shows up here making dumb decision after dumb decision and starts leaking BS to the media and lying all the time.

THAT does not build a winning culture. I'm with Danny 100% if he were to can Shanahan at the end of the year. Coaches are accountable, too, you know. Not just highly paid players.

Shanahan is a fraud. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 8, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Must be nice living in a world of fantasy.
First. Shanahan never said that McNabb couldn’t run the 2 minute offense because he was out of shape


Posted by: hock1 | December 8, 2010 11:52 AM |

Um. Yes he did.

I think that was excuse #3, day 2. I think it came after the "hamstrings, couldn't practice everything" excuse.

Look it up. Google "cardiovascular endurance." Maybe you'd wonder why Shanahan and McNabb come up.

Shanahan is a fraud. Try to keep up.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Lets Face it Snyder has shown the NFL and the public that being successful in hustling the Capital markets with horrible deals does not teach someone how to build a team. Haynesworth is not the problem Snyder is the problem . This type of lack of judgment is rampant among guys who use other peoples money. Easy come easy go because they never really originated anything of intrinsic value. This type of poor business practice is why Asia will eat our lunch if we are not careful. This guy envisions himself as the Flo Ziegfeld of the NFL- the only problem is he is a triple threat. Can't act, can't dance can't sing. I hope he goes bankrupt. The Skins under his ownership are doomed. Remember EB Williams? He was a Lawyer first and an Owner 2nd.

Last suggestion- Perhaps he should go on TV with Zuckerman and enlighten us about world peace or create a Realty show -suggested title " A sniffling Boy from Silver Spring tries to sell the Brooklyn Bridge". Music by Boy George

Posted by: 33jayave | December 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins is quick to put the blame on Haynesworth when the real problem is the Defensive coaching staff and Kyle Shanahan. You can't blame one player, when I see the whole team (offense and defense) look like diarrhea. I know Haynesworth has been a selfish a##hole. I don’t see Shanahan complaining about the defense being in LAST PLACE or his son calling terrible plays. Let’s face it, Shanahan old and outdated coaching a## should go back to Denver and retired.

Posted by: mssassy | December 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

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