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Donovan McNabb trade: Albert Haynesworth, LaRon Landry reportedly offered to Eagles

The Donovan McNabb trade story is about more than a quarterback. The Redskins reportedly offered defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to the Eagles in exchange for McNabb.

There are multiple  reports now that Haynesworth was part of the negotiations, and we'd heard this weekend that the team was shopping the talented defensive tackle around, too (to whom, though, wasn't clear until Sunday night).

If true, it's very telling that the team was willing to part ways with Haynesworth after just one season. Owner Daniel Snyder signed him to the mega-deal just 13 months ago; to send him packing now means that the new regime 1) isn't certain how he fits into its plans, or 2) simply doesn't want him in their building. Shanahan has made it clear that he wants to see commitment from every player and he's disappointed that Haynesworth isn't participating in the team's offseason conditioning program.

Depending on when the Redskins offered Haynesworth, it could also show just how desperate they are to get rid of him. Last Thursday, Haynesworth was paid a $21 million contract bonus. If the Redskins were still trying to include him in the trade over the weekend, that means they'd be okay with the possibility of paying Haynesworth tens of millions of dollars for essentially 12 football games. It's more likely Haynesworth was part of the discussions before the bonus was paid out, which simply means that despite the major financial commitment made a year ago in free agency, the new staff is not nearly as keen on Haynesworth as the old one.

There are clearly no sacred cows at Redskins Park. Jason Campbell's days are numbered (although the team has no leverage in any deal with potential suitors), and reports also indicate that the Redskins offered Philadelphia safety LaRon Landry, the Redskins' first-round pick in the 2007 draft. That, coupled with the fact that Eric Berry was in town for a pre-draft visit, could lead you to believe the Redskins feel they can afford to upgrade mightily at the safety position.

A year ago at this time, it seemed like Haynesworth and Landry were both crucial cogs to the Redskins' defense. Quite a change if their most important role right now is as trade bait.

By Rick Maese  |  April 5, 2010; 9:09 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , Donovan McNabb  
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Comments

Welcome to DC Donovan. I hope you make the iggles pay dearly but I'm not sold yet. Hopefully there are a lot more deals to be made. We need draft picks. I don't want big Al going anywhere, though.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 5, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider...where "breaking news" comes 12 hours late!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

My Theory...
During these past 3 months of intensive filmwork Shanny Sr and Jr had to ask themselves, how does a 07 playoff team go to 4-12 in 24 months?
Collins' performances gave the answer that screamed for a vet WCO QB like McNabb. In 07 Collins steps in with the same personnel and takes the 0-4 losing streak skins on an amazing 4-0 ride. Last year.. Collins steps in for the last few plays before the half of theDec 21st Giants game. Collins drives the team in 4 passes 57 yards, one long to Moss and it would of been a 3 out of 4 if Davis hadnt dropped the TD in the end zone. Next play the "Swinging Gate".
But, what did Shanny Sr/Jr see here? A vet WCO QB with the same personnel exceeding in just 4 plays ALL of JC's production up to that point in the game.
Seeing this (and Shanny admits he lives and breaths game video breakdown)
Shanahan had to say.. We have the parts to win NOW.
We just need a veteran WCO QB...sgm Hello McNabb

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

so if we can't now trade AH, he's gonna be disgruntled.....

Is there some good news anywhere??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so this is how it's going to be.

... complete upheaval for at least a year. Somehow this is a Shakespear play, isn't it?

A pre-summer nightmare?!

Do they really think they're going anywhere this year? That's the only reason I can see for taking McNabb - but then ditching Stompy flies in the face of that logic.

Someone plz 'spain WTsjk they're THINKING over there!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Shopping Haynesworth isn't surprising. He doesn't have a position in a 3-4 and it's clear that if he was a free agent this year that this organization wouldn't go near him.

But Landry is a surprise.

Stepping back from all this, it sure looks like they're just winging it. Is there a larger plan? Or is it all ad hoc?

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider...where "breaking news" comes 12 hours late!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 9:26 AM
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This just in: Sonny Jurgeson has announced his retirement from football. He will no longer be the Redskins quarterback... More details after the break...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

AH is always disgruntled.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 5, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Lets get a first and 3rd rounder for the big fella!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

There are clearly no sacred cows at Redskins Park.

By Rick Maese | April 5, 2010; 9:09 AM ET

Can't build a team with sacred cows. Gotta have sacred bulls. Trade the cows for more bulls!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

This is a multi-year turnaround. I love the fact that they are willing to rid themselves of malcontents and bring in competition at all positions. CP, AH, LL, wake up or hit the road. The best teams, are just that, teams. Not prima donna's.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Lets get a first and 3rd rounder for the big fella!

Good luck with that one.

If they can get a second for him, grab it and run like hell.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Question: To those of you who like this insane trade, if Vinny were the one to have made it, would you still think it was a good idea? I'm betting no....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Stepping back from all this, it sure looks like they're just winging it. Is there a larger plan? Or is it all ad hoc?

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:31 AM

Getting rid of prima donnas who don't want to be part of a team? Seems like a plan to me.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Uh-oh.

Just what we need...Landry and Haynesworth MORE bent out of shape this year over being on the block. How do you get that cat back in the bag?

Don Banks' comments this morning really disturb me. He clearly implies Shanny is only interested in a short term gig here to pad his bank account, rather than rebuilding the team slowly from the ground up. This move would seem to support that notion.

Man, I hope that is not true. The last thing we need is someone at the top half-assing it and cutting corners with the roster moves at this critical time.

Posted by: McMetal | April 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

wonder if anyone would take AH for some draft picks?? Maybe ask Seattle or San Fran with 2 first round picks if they are interested?? Possibly get a second rounder for him if they are that unhappy, lets talk to the lions, Schwartz loves AH...

Why they cant make it work in the defense with him after spending all that money is beyond me, but he does seem to be a malcontent at times...

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 5, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Getting rid of prima donnas who don't want to be part of a team? Seems like a plan to me.

Two-years out is a plan?

Anyway, which divas have they gotten rid of?

And like it or not, you have to get replacements for them.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

There are clearly no sacred cows at Redskins Park.

By Rick Maese | April 5, 2010; 9:09 AM ET

Can't build a team with sacred cows. Gotta have sacred bulls. Trade the cows for more bulls!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:34 AM

moo to that

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 5, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

mcmetal can you post what Banks had to say??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this feels like one of those weird dreams you can't shake yourself awake from. Seeing McNabb in a superimposed burgundy on ESPN is something out of Bizzaro Land. I'm skeptical of this draft at first because Snyderatto burned me this way too many times in the past, and we still don't know what exactly we can get if we trade JC17 to Buffalo or Oakland. Did we loose our leverage on making this deal before trading Campbell? Is this the first of many dominos to fall with possibly Campbell, Haynesworth, Landry, Portis, Cooley, and carLOS22 on the trade block? Is Baylor's Brittney Griner hiding a secret underneath her shorts?
In an awkward morning full of uncertainties, there are a few certainties Redskins fans can rely on: (1) It will definitely feel weird to root for a man who burnt us so many times over the past 11 years ; (2) Chunky Soup is delicious and Mrs. McNabb might provide the foundation to get our offense back on track; (3) We need O-Linemen BAD. We have the opportunity to take Okung at #4 or trade back a few spots to say clevelands pick if there is a chance of picking Trent Williams there and picking up a 2nd/3rd round pick; (4) Shanahan is not afraid of pulling the trigger on a risky acquisition, making him the odds-on favorite for gun-slingingest coach in NFC East; (5) Anyone who roots for Duke to win the National Championship tonight over underdog Butler has 97% chance of being an unbearable human being. Go Bulldogs!

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 5, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Lets get a first and 3rd rounder for the big fella!

Good luck with that one.

If they can get a second for him, grab it and run like hell.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

We already paid his bouns which should make things a little easier, but I would run with a low second.. I hear Tenn. may be in the market for a DL..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Man, I hope that is not true. The last thing we need is someone at the top half-assing it and cutting corners with the roster moves at this critical time.

Posted by: McMetal

The comments I heard on the radio - although not sure they were attributed to Banks - were that Shanahan plans to be here for 3-4 years and then turn the team over to Kyle Shanahan.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Shopping Haynesworth isn't surprising. He doesn't have a position in a 3-4 and it's clear that if he was a free agent this year that this organization wouldn't go near him.

But Landry is a surprise.

Stepping back from all this, it sure looks like they're just winging it. Is there a larger plan? Or is it all ad hoc?

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:31 AM
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I have to ask first if this is true or yet another rumor circulating the net and given legs by the WaPo journalists. Second, if the team is motivated to get rid of those two, then they will. Their days are numbered and one shouldn't worry about their attitudes in the regular season.

I'm skeptical. It's surprising that they would look to offload Haynesworth considering the modest return on investment they would see from his original contract. For Landry, I guess you could suppose they looked at the tape and saw something they didn't think they could fix. "Uncoachable" is the first thought that comes to my mind. Still, it is very early in his career to be giving up on such a talented athlete. This isn't Adam Archuleta we are talking about here. IMAO, this is just a rumor with no basis in reality. I'm sticking with that theory right up until they trade either one of them...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Well I do think Shanny is only going to be here for a couple of years...before he turns the team over to his son, Kyle to be the head coach.

Not 100% sold on this deal, mainly cuz Donovan seems to turn stupid at the end of the year, every year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Ah doesn't want to be a part of what the Skins want to do on defense. LL is a SS and the Skins have three of them on the team. LL is the most marketable of the bunch. Plus he's not the best fit for what they want out of their safeties. It make sense to get what you can for these guys while their is still a market for them.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't any Stompy trade include his huge contract? Who's eating that SJK, besides us?

I'm no herald of Soup [my favorite monty python skit]. But to think just swapping Chunky for Soup is going to yield playoffs is a BIG FREKKIN STRETCH.

...hey, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. But right now I just have a pit in my stomach.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

He clearly implies Shanny is only interested in a short term gig here to pad his bank account, rather than rebuilding the team slowly from the ground up. This move would seem to support that notion.

Doubtful but what about Allen? He's not here just for the cash, I don't think.

These moves - whether good or not - all sure look like the Snyder/Cerrato era again, doesn't it?

Not looking beyond 2-3 years at all.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

While I will admit there are a few ifs/need tos attached to this:

- getting draft pick back for JC (anything higher than a 4th and your are sucking SUV exhaust)

- drafting Otung at 4

- signing McNabb to exstension

I like it. JC is NOT a starting QB in this league and I don't like enough of the draftable QBs at the 4th pick.

This way they are free to draft Oline without the lure of some pretty boy QB, and Shanny can take his time over the next few drafts to get the dude he wants to "grow"

Also if they deal AH, Landry for picks...then fine-good. AH was one of the dumbest signings the Skins ever made, maybe the capless year is the time to cut losses before the unknown of the new CBA.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Cooley was on EITM this am, said could be good news for CB#5 as he will have time to learn under DM as the successor.

That might be wishful thinking.

And, before we jump the gun, nothing about AH of LL has bee 'confirmed'. Just like all the rports we are going after clausen or bradford, which seem to be speculation at best, especially now.

One thing is for sure, only Shanallahan knows what they are doing, and until they do it or admit it, we might as well not waste time crying about rumors.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

*REPOST*

You know if we were 2 maybe 3 players away from being a super bowl contending team, one of those players being a qb... I would be all for this trade. Mcnabb is clearly an upgrade over JC and is clearly a winner. Thats all hes done in his career is win (maybe not the superbowl but I would be curious as to his overall record including the postseason... I'd bet its close to .600). He is a solid QB who could come in and win a superbowl with a talented team...

Too bad we aren't talented... Looking at our roster, we are not 2-3 players away from even being an 8-8 team. Mcnabb will make our offense better, clearly. That is not a question. However, our offense was so terrible last year, what 16.6 ppg??? that even with him were still, at best, a middle of the pack offense and more realistically a bottom 20 type offense. Our oline is still the worst in the NFL and our hopes of improving it dropped dramatically with the loss of the 37th overall pick.

Our WR's are young, immature and unable to catch (Santana Moss isn't young, but he certainly cannot catch), and our RB's are, well, bad. I simply do not understand the logic behind this trade. It is another herky jerky decision, one that Danny Boy seems to make every year in hopes of finally finding that magical piece to make us a winning team... and yet you'd think that after 11 years of FAILING with this strategy that he would learn... but I guess not.

This trade seems to only slow down our rebuilding process and forces us to re-enter the win-now mode... something we have proven to not be good at. We are 2-3 YEARS away from being a contending team and by that time Mcnabb will be 36 and washed up... I can only hope that we can find his replacement in this, or next years, draft and that he will be ready in 2 years.... however if thats the case, and we do draft young qb to groom, then this trade will turn out to be far more useless than the Jay-Tay trade and will go own as one of the most useless trades in Redskins history.... just my opinion but this was plain retarded and will end up helping the Eagles even more... Frustrating.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

On M&M...Schefter just said other teams had better offers....but McNabb didn't want to go to those teams. Once he made it known to them he would love to go to the Redskins....Bruce Allen told Andy he would give up #37 pick...and Andy countered with the 2nd pick next year...Allen said deal...and viola.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 7:16 AM

Not to get too technical, but Scheter said that the Bills & Raiders were leaders of the pack, but that Donovan (and the Eagle FO )didn't want those teams to be McNabb's last teams. When the Skins threw in the 2011 pick, the deal got done. I didn't hear anything about other teams offering a better deal. In fact, what I got from Scheter's comment was that the Skins had a similar offer on the table, ie. a 2nd rounder in 2010 on the table. The Eagles weren't going to trade McNabb to the Skins all things equal, so the Skins had to ante up. I still thing it was a good move on the Skins part, but they paid more because I thinking they were in the division.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 7:57 AM

Huh?? Schefter said they already had trade partners, but McNAbb, through his agent, didn't want to go to those teams. And that he would go to Washington. So, that's when the Skins threw in the 2011 pick....

I mean....it it really time to split hairs?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

What chrislarry said! Dude's bringing the light today.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

These moves - whether good or not - all sure look like the Snyder/Cerrato era again, doesn't it?

Not looking beyond 2-3 years at all.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I can't pass judgement until I see the finished product opening day.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Question: To those of you who like this insane trade, if Vinny were the one to have made it, would you still think it was a good idea? I'm betting no....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:35 AM
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Trading for a franchise quarterback while only giving up a second and a fourth round draft pick is a steal. With QB's playing until they are forty these days, the age of McNabb does not frighten me. Here's a guy who knows the system and can win football games. Oh, and I have seem throw hail mary passes in bounds...

As for shopping Landry and Haynesworth: rumors, fodder for stirring up the fans.

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Posted by: xiciaoscis1 | April 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Not looking beyond 2-3 years at all."

Unless they thought, "hey we cant tread water with JC, he blows" and they felt better waiting for a young guy they love, not just like, over the next couple of drafts while they potentially ride the 3-5 years of a potential hall of famer, thus rebuilding a competitive to winning culture and spending a few years turning the roster over and breeding competition.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

lisa, please stop! it's okay. we still love you. it's better to be "quiet" sometime. you're just opening yourself up with these silly back pedaling tactics.

would you feel better if dnab has a good year and jc is out of the league? probly not. you'd still feel jc got screwed somehow right? wow...sometimes i wish i had the ability to lie to myself like you guys.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 5, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It's not that I'm disappointed getting McNabb, cause he's a really good QB who makes us better. It's just the approach that frustrates me. I'll stop complaining if one of these things happens:

1) we trade JC for a 2nd or 3rd this year
2) we either take Okung at #4 or trade back for more picks
3) we win the NFC East while DM is our QB

Still wish we would build for the long term, though...

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh...And a hearty F You to the Whole Blog this morning.....F Everybody.....F da Haters.....F da Skeptics....F those who don't live life to the fullest.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I can't pass judgement until I see the finished product opening day

Well, we can judge moves to this date.

It seems to me you fill your immediate needs first and then upgrade other areas later.

McNabb's an updgrade over JC, no doubt.

But this proposition that the team can fill the other areas - like the line - simply (or largely) through the draft is one I have a hard time embracing.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM --- you do realize Collins in no shape or form whatsoever was a West Coast Qb right? He was in Al Saunders system, a verticle system, for almost his entire career right? Your point is wrong and anyone arguing that Collins was a superior player to Campbell does not understand football.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Trading for a franchise quarterback while only giving up a second and a fourth round draft pick is a steal. With QB's playing until they are forty these days, the age of McNabb does not frighten me. Here's a guy who knows the system and can win football games. Oh, and I have seem throw hail mary passes in bounds...

As for shopping Landry and Haynesworth: rumors, fodder for stirring up the fans.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

My question was - would you feel the same way if Vinny was the person making this trade? I seriously think most fans would be jumping off the bridge if it had been Vinny.

And consider the fact we now only have 4 draft picks (with 3 of them LATE) - and STILL no O line to protect McNabb.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I'll agree w/ cL from a $$ standpoint.

But can you really say the man who is responsible for the sack upgrade of last season was 'one of the dumbest' moves we've made?

I'll put a few before that... at least we DID see ROI from Stompy. Albeit w/ headaches accompanying.

I'm more of the school that it doesn't matter WHAT a player says - it matters how he performs. And Stompy did that when he was on the field. Admittedly, keeping him there was difficult - but that's the jalopy you bought.

Now, picture yourself after we loose to Philly this year. Just ugly. This whole thing is ugly.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

cl, i think the latter is true...and it's a good plan. i just wish it was a drew brees year lol....

Posted by: dealer1 | April 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

speaking of malcontents, what's with all the second-guessing by some bloggers? Donovan is light-years better than jC ever will be especially in the WCO. This is as close to a no brainer as it gets. All you apologists for JC will have some crow to eat once DM starts making our WR's, O-line, and even backs look better. Wait and see. You won't miss Jason at all, instead you'll wonder why it took so long.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

so if we can't now trade AH, he's gonna be disgruntled.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

...And this differs from the previous situation how?

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 5, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

There is a great throwback picture in the BOG right now with Sonny as a skin in the Arrowhead throwback and the Eagles chasing him in the nasty white helmet era.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Best analysis of the trade so far is in Peter King's column:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/04/05/mcnabb/index.html

He likes the trade for both teams. Of course, he also liked the Jason Taylor trade. He thinks 'Skins would be doing well to get a fifth round pick for JC. And, when the 'Skins picked JC, Peter King labelled JC "one of the five best players in this year's draft."

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Lisa you are trucking in arguments that make no sense and show your transparency that you had an emotional connections to JC.

Look, if two doctors both told you they had to remove your diseased kidney and one went to Harvard Med and the other Clown College, which would you choose to give you the same answer?

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Saying the right things, and not sounding silly while doing it.

Clinton Portis takes presence of Larry Johnson and Willie Parker in stride
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2010 9:49 AM ET

During a phone interview with ESPN's SportsCenter regarding the Donovan McNabb trade, running back Clinton Portis concluded with a discussion regarding the addition of Larry Johnson and Willie Parker to the backfield.

"I think L.J. and Willie are great backs," Portis said. "You know, they're proven backs in the NFL. I think it's gonna make the competition side of things exciting. I've been in this position before with a loaded backfield with Willis [McGahee] and Frank Gore in college and in the NFL with Terrell Davis and Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary, so this is a situation I'm familiar with. I think for Larry and Willie, whoever gets the nod out of the three of us, we'll always know there's another guy pushing, there's another guy eager to get on the field. The competition's gonna bring a lot to this organization."

It's a surprisingly positive attitude from Portis, and we've got a feeling that the arrival of McNabb has prompted Portis to be a lot more positive about the situation in D.C.

The fact that Portis will be getting $6.5 million guaranteed this year regardless of whether he's at the top of the depth chart, the bottom of it, or not on the team at all doesn't hurt, either.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

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waiting to be 'gruntled'... cause I'm dis now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

But this proposition that the team can fill the other areas - like the line - simply (or largely) through the draft is one I have a hard time embracing.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

So what if we were to trade the rest of our picks in this years draft for vet. OLine, would you embrace the moves then? I'm finding it hard to see your logic?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

..hey, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. But right now I just have a pit in my stomach.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM

Eat some chunky soup with country vegetables and pray Al Davis hands us our draft back. I've heard a few (somewhat outlandish)rumors that we make a few trade backs in the first round, first to #11 with Denver for Brandon Marshall, then again to #25 for Gaither. Trade JC17 to Oakland, or Buffalo for Donte Whitner and a 3rd rounder. If this is more than a pipe dream, I say we take the guy from USC or Indiana at #25, Depth the rest of the way out. If this actually happens I will walk to Redskins park and bow at Shanahan's feet.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Shopping Haynesworth isn't surprising. He doesn't have a position in a 3-4 and it's clear that if he was a free agent this year that this organization wouldn't go near him.

But Landry is a surprise.

Stepping back from all this, it sure looks like they're just winging it. Is there a larger plan? Or is it all ad hoc?

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

it doesn't look like they're winging it at all. It looks like they have a great idea of what type of personnel they want and need and are willing to do what it takes to get them. It also looks like mo one is safe and that's refreshing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

He likes the trade for both teams. Of course, he also liked the Jason Taylor trade. He thinks 'Skins would be doing well to get a fifth round pick for JC. And, when the 'Skins picked JC, Peter King labelled JC "one of the five best players in this year's draft."

Posted by: League-Source


just proves what a crap shoot the draft is especially for QB's IMO

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

4th, dude, how did you get to work? are you working from home? your head shouldn't have fit through your door this morning. haters are just whining about how wrong they were about jc and vinny...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan may plan on turning the team over to his son, but that doesn't mean it's going to happened because it all depends on you know who. Joe Gibbs hired Greg Williams with the intent of having him take over the team as well, but we got Jim Zorn.

Posted by: nuzuw | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

DM starts making our WR's, O-line

Somethings you just can't improve on, and our OL is one of them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how Viking fans like the Favre deal now? Wasn't he a washed up QB? How did that turn out for the Vikings? :)

Hopefully McNabb can do the same for the Skins. At worst we only get 2-3 years and at best we get 5-6 years.

Campbell is just not an impact QB/leader. If I hear one more time that he is "a really nice guy", I think I will "vomit in the huddle". We all know where nice guys finish.

Let's get a 3rd rounder for Campbell and draft an offensive lineman.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

10/26/10

Skins vs. Eagles, MNF in Washington. First game McNabb vs. Philly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/05/mcnabb-will-face-the-eagles-on-monday-october-26/

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Vinny would have traded 2 first round picks and then ignored the line in the draft. I trust these guys will somehow get the line in order. McNabb is a clear upgrade over Campbell. We would have taken a QB with one of the first 2 picks anyway before this deal.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

LS, the irony is that the same people who say they like a big time trade/FA signing by Washington are the same ones that blast Snyder and the team when the same move goes bust. So Peter King and John Clayton and everyone else blowing sunshine up Redskin skirts means absolutely nothing to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I just love how people are like: They got McNabb, but they still haven't upgraded the offensive line...


Those who are saying this; do you realize that the season doesn't start until SEPTEMBER and this is the beginning of APRIL, and they HAVEN'T had the DRAFT yet?

Has it occurred to anyone that Shanahan might have his offensive line in place already for the most part? That he may find the current personnel on the offensive line suitable for his zone blocking schemes?

I'm not completely in the tank about this trade, but I'm not threatening to turn my season tickets in either.

As always with me RE: "new" Redskins, the jury is still out...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Somethings you just can't improve on, and our OL is one of them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

The respect the D's we face will be genuine now that we have a REAL QB. It will make the whole Offense better, including the line play. They won't be forced to try and block for an eternity. Not saying we don't need more talent there too tho.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

It also looks like mo one is safe and that's refreshing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

And to add to that, should light a fire under every other player in the locker room which is also very refreshing.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"DM starts making our WR's, O-line

Somethings you just can't improve on, and our OL is one of them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

Lets say you are right...but you actually are a snake eating it own tail b/c now the misstep of drafting a QB or RB with number 4 is greatly reduced and the even more urgent need to protect your all-pro QB has grown....ta dah...setting up what you wanted all along which is a draft pick investment at four in either Otung or an attempt to trade down to get multiple lineman...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Don Banks' comments this morning really disturb me. He clearly implies Shanny is only interested in a short term gig here to pad his bank account, rather than rebuilding the team slowly from the ground up. This move would seem to support that notion.

Man, I hope that is not true. The last thing we need is someone at the top half-assing it and cutting corners with the roster moves at this critical time.

Posted by: McMetal | April 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Well there's your problem. You listened to Don Banks who is possibly the worst sports writer in history. This is a guy that does zero research and clearly makes things up that can be disproved with a simple Google search. Never believe anything that moron puts out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Sorry folks, McNabb is not going to "rescue" the Skins--any more than he "rescued" the Iggles. He's missed a season's worth of games with injuries over the past few years.

No matter how much you hate JC17, the Skins still have no O-line, a committee of aging RBs, and they just traded some future for an aging QB.

This is not an indictment of JC17, this appears to be a strange attempt to clean house and "rebuild" by adding aging players from other franchises.


It sounded good when Neon Deion and Jason Taylor signed too, didn't it? We could have used the draft picks.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how Viking fans like the Favre deal now? Wasn't he a washed up QB? How did that turn out for the Vikings? :)

Hopefully McNabb can do the same for the Skins. At worst we only get 2-3 years and at best we get 5-6 years.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse
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Vikings were 10-6 the year before Farve. If McNabb buys us 3 more wins (same as Farve), then we are 7-9. Whoo hoo

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Dear Fans:

We are so pleased to be able to offer you a new choice for your Burgundy and Gold collection - The McNabb. Yes, fans, we are pleased to offer you for the special price of $278, your official Donavan McNabb Pro Bowl limited edition Redskins Jersey. Why not buy one in each color? These limited edition jerseys should match perfectly with each of your Bruce Smith, Dieon Sanders, Jeff George, Adam Archuleta, Dana Stubblefield, Lauvernus Coles, Albert Haynesworth, Brandon Lloyd, Antwan Randle-El Jerseys. Buy the whole set today, and Hail to the Redsksins!

Very truly yours,

Daniel M. $nyder

Posted by: VeloStrummer | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

the irony is that the same people who say they like a big time trade/FA signing by Washington are the same ones that blast Snyder and the team when the same move goes bust.

Ain't that the truth.

The complaint has been that Snyder/Cerrato did the big splash/short term moves and overlooked the long term.

Then the new group does the same thing and everybody goes gaga because it's a big name QB.

Meanwhile, the same disaster areas that have driven the team into the ground remains uncorrected.

But people say, "I'm sure he'll fix." They're simply not going to get all these high picks for Campbell and Haynesworth et al.

Oy.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Trading for a franchise quarterback while only giving up a second and a fourth round draft pick is a steal. With QB's playing until they are forty these days, the age of McNabb does not frighten me. Here's a guy who knows the system and can win football games. Oh, and I have seem throw hail mary passes in bounds...

As for shopping Landry and Haynesworth: rumors, fodder for stirring up the fans.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

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What QBs are playing until 40 besides Favre? Kurt Warner had Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin...Joe Theismann could go out there and look good with those guys. Warner retired at 38 after bouncing around in the middle of his career. The Redskins have NO ONE other than washed up RBs, no offensive line, and a defensive scheme with players that don't fit the scheme.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

So someone posted that you can get McNabb jerseys on the skins website, but I found it more interesting that they also sell the Redskins Ladies Monday Night Thong.. my only question, what happens when the ladies wear it on a Thursday?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Don Banks hates the Redskins... just assume everything he says is false or incendiary.

Posted by: willhunt171 | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I am generally a "writer-defender" but Don Banks is garbage...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Those who are saying this; do you realize that the season doesn't start until SEPTEMBER and this is the beginning of APRIL, and they HAVEN'T had the DRAFT yet?

I hear you Red, all I'm saying is that by trading one of their few draft picks to start with, we now have ONE less opportunity to address the OL, and if Okung isn't there at #4, what then??

Their needs remain the same after making this trade, that being a Better OL....DM wont last taking a beating like JC did...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

After a couple games this season skins fans will say Jason who?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

you cant build a winning culture by losing, thats why this is a good move.

Posted by: follybeach | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow! I can’t believe what I am reading this morning…….Willie Parker huh? Maybe they will run the wishbone next year.

I was out of town this weekend.
Still catching up.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 5, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

We offered Landry the Eagles began to agree but in a double move they went for the picks and Landry bit on the fake and was burned again.........wonder why they didn't want him......

My .02 - Great trade for a proven winner at a fraction of the cost the Bears paid for Cutler. Grab Okung or trade down a little and get Williams and/or Baluga, Capers, Brown and we're instant contenders. McNabb has several good years left and can help our young receivers grow something Campbell couldn't do. I hope Sexy Rexy is ready though, Mc5 has shown an ability to miss a couple games here and there....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 5, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

So Peter King and John Clayton and everyone else blowing sunshine up Redskin skirts means absolutely nothing to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 10:04 AM

I know. But I have to say I read your analysis of the trade this morning and I read Peter King's and I found a lot more information in his than yours. 2nd best analysis was chrislarry's. Yours was just okay.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

...hey, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. But right now I just have a pit in my stomach.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM

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Dik, don't worry.

The pit in your gut will be dissolved after we beat the Iggles, Cowboys, and Giants at home and abroad next year.

The McNabb acquisition is about reestablishing a competitive edge in our own division. This hamsters... is the basis for any and all playoff hopes, in 2010 and beyond.

We'll make up for the "lost" picks later, to be certain. But again, we've gained a big time time NFL QB for not too crazy a price.

I'm sure Reid had his opinion of what McNabb has left, but he knew the time was NOW to make a move, and Reid may very well get the short end of the stick.

He took the bigger gamble -- not the Redskins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This trade smells of Tebow. I hate to say this but trading for Mcnabb seems to be the perfect way for the Skins to draft Tebow, let him sit behind Mcnabb for a few years and learn how to play QB. Just a thought, but everyone has said Tebow will take 2-3 years to develop properly... and not we have a QB who has 2-3 years left in him.... anyone else think that this trade might just be the signal that the Skins are going to try to get Tim "Gods gift to football" Tebow?

We have moveable parts that we can parlay into a 2nd, 3rd, 4th whatever round pick, and if we can get back into the 2nd round/3rd round... look for the Skins to take Tebow.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Lets say you are right...but you actually are a snake eating it own tail b/c now the misstep of drafting a QB or RB with number 4

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse
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And how much is our #4 pick worth in trade back terms, knowing that we probably won't take a QB or RB? Someone is going to have to really want Suh or McCoy, and I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

We have moveable parts that we can parlay into a 2nd, 3rd, 4th whatever round pick, and if we can get back into the 2nd round/3rd round... look for the Skins to take Tebow.

You can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Their needs remain the same after making this trade, that being a Better OL....DM wont last taking a beating like JC did...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM

Wrong bean. They have checked the number one need -- a qb -- off their list. And they did it with a second round pick, a pick that would have gotten them Tebow or McCoy. So, now they can spend the #1 on a stud LT.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"So Peter King and John Clayton and everyone else blowing sunshine up Redskin skirts means absolutely nothing to me...

Posted by: brownwood26

Brownie, if you actually paid attention, John Clayton is regularly positive with the Skins...not a typical Banks style h8tr at all....most likely b/c he has some high level sources which he doesn't want to offend.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

This team needs two quality tackles, a quality guard and at least 3-4 decent reserves at both positions. They have the worst O-line in the league.

If they can get all that in the draft - or between now and the start of the season - terrific.

I don't see it.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Our WR's are young, immature and unable to catch (Santana Moss isn't young, but he certainly cannot catch), and our RB's are, well, bad. I simply do not understand the logic behind this trade. It is another herky jerky decision, one that Danny Boy seems to make every year in hopes of finally finding that magical piece to make us a winning team... and yet you'd think that after 11 years of FAILING with this strategy that he would learn... but I guess not.

This trade seems to only slow down our rebuilding process and forces us to re-enter the win-now mode... something we have proven to not be good at. We are 2-3 YEARS away from being a contending team and by that time Mcnabb will be 36 and washed up... I can only hope that we can find his replacement in this, or next years, draft and that he will be ready in 2 years.... however if thats the case, and we do draft young qb to groom, then this trade will turn out to be far more useless than the Jay-Tay trade and will go own as one of the most useless trades in Redskins history.... just my opinion but this was plain retarded and will end up helping the Eagles even more... Frustrating.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse
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You analysis just goes to show that you fall into the same category as those who you insult with your screen-name. Santana has never had a problem with his hands - he's never been a chronic dropper, and has made some big-time receptions over the years. Santana's problems have been (1) hamstrings; (2) double coverage in zones b/c of a lack of other cerdible threats to take the heat off; and (3) for the past two seasons, generally poor coaching and game plans. Despite this, he's been the most important receiver (with apologies to Cooley). Plus, I think Devin Thomas has turned a corner and will be productive this year - we'll see. His route running has improved.

As far as the running game, I'd be willing to bet that between the three RBs, at least one of them will be motivated and still have his legs. I'm actually okay with them for now, with an eye towards a 2011 RB draft pick.

And with Donovan, it's not a herky jerky trade. I think McNabb absolutely has a few good years left in him, and he's a definite upgrade over JC (and I've been a JC defender here). You get a franchise QB for 3 or 4 years for a 2nd and 3rd or 4th rounder? I'd do it every time. The downside is that he's a little injury prone, but other than that, I'm happy. Campbell's a good dude with some talent, so I hope they trade Campbell somewhere where he has a chance to succeed (i.e., not Oakland), and get a 3rd rounder out of him in the process.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

So we have a legendary coach making his second go-round, a washed-up QB...this is like 2004, except the RB is 6 years older and there's no O-line. Superb.

Posted by: shekb | April 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

ls, the #1 need is still OL. No matter how you want to spin it, this line is one of the worst, if not the worst in the league. And without LJones under contract, its only taken steps backwards.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Make no mistake, what is being missed about all this is ownership tipped us off:

There will be no football in 2011.

This is all about NOW.

Posted by: kreator6996 | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Trade BAit?

Cooley (possible 2nd)
MK12 (2nd)
LL (3rd)
Double Move (2nd)
JC17 (4th)
Carter (3rd)
Haynesworth (2nd/3rd)


We will have Picks People! Rounds 2 - 4 will be the most valuable in this draft......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The Jason Taylor comparison doesn't hold up.

We're getting a proven field general in McNabb.

The only way this can bust is of McNabb gets injured, and this here is a risk for any player, at any position, at any time.

Trade back form the 4th pick, and get some lineman to protect McNabbster and all will be well.

Or take Okung, if he's there, of course...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

What if Okung is gone at #4?

RedDMV, I see your point man, but as a general observation most NFL teams don't cut good offensive lineman in the offseason, so now we have one pick (unless we trade back) to address the 2-3 holes we have on the line.

Anyway, I don't think it's cut and dry either way. There is a lot of risk with this move, and a lot good go wrong, and a lot could turn out right...

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Sign TO!!

Posted by: JBuss | April 5, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Stepping back from all this, it sure looks like they're just winging it. Is there a larger plan? Or is it all ad hoc?

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 9:31 AM

Getting rid of prima donnas who don't want to be part of a team? Seems like a plan to me.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:36 AM

You're right L-S...That #37 pick was a locker-room nightmare and apparently wasn't a fan of practice. PFT is also reporting that the 3rd/4th from 2011 doesn't want to play NT because he's not a space-eater.

Thank Duke that we were able to get rid of those picks before they became a problem.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Don Banks' comments this morning really disturb me. He clearly implies Shanny is only interested in a short term gig here to pad his bank account, rather than rebuilding the team slowly from the ground up. This move would seem to support that notion.

Man, I hope that is not true. The last thing we need is someone at the top half-assing it and cutting corners with the roster moves at this critical time.

Posted by: McMetal | April 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Well DUH... Why else would Shanahan come to this team? Beacuse we have an owner who's more interested in making money than fielding a winning team.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 5, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Whatever question I have about these guys trading for McNabb I can see that they recognize who are some of the problem players on this team. They have let Portis, Haynesworth, and Landry know that the days of playing by their own rules are over.

Posted by: moseley_brian | April 5, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

One of those days where you should listen to sports news I guess. So I am caving and gonna listen in to the Fan. They said they talked with the skins who said no chance they go for TO

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Cooley (possible 2nd)
MK12 (2nd)
LL (3rd)
Double Move (2nd)

Was this serious??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This team needs two quality tackles, a quality guard and at least 3-4 decent reserves at both positions. They have the worst O-line in the league.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:17 AM

I think you're the only one in the world who sees it like this -- nine to 11 new players, mad up of three starters and six to eight reserves. So, they can't do it even if they don't trade for McNabb.

I think they're set a guard for now and that they'll add two tackles, one with the #4 pick and another who they'll sign after the draft. Backups will be guys who are on the squad now or guys who get cut from other teams.

Still won't be the best OL in the league, but it won't be the worst, either.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Cooley (possible 2nd)
MK12 (2nd)
LL (3rd)
Double Move (2nd)
JC17 (4th)
Carter (3rd)
Haynesworth (2nd/3rd)

Which team is going to give up a second for Double Move? The Toronto Argonauts?

A third for Carter?

Hey, you may be close on all this but the value of draft picks has increased threefold over the years.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

We will have Picks People! Rounds 2 - 4 will be the most valuable in this draft......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, let's hope there's a ton of talent in the 4th round, cause as of today we don't have any picks in rounds 2 and 3...also, I really don't think anyone except Al Davis (after 6 cocktails) would give us a 2nd for Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Wrong bean. They have checked the number one need -- a qb -- off their list. And they did it with a second round pick, a pick that would have gotten them Tebow or McCoy. So, now they can spend the #1 on a stud LT.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse
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Sure. We had the 27th ranked rushing offense in the league, and the 16th ranked passing offense (rankings approximate).

We lost our Pro Bowl LT to injury and retirement and his replacement did not signed. We cut our previous RT and his replacement has not panned out. We cut our RG, and we are hoping that our failed backup plan for RT (BMW) will pan out for RG.

But QB was our #1 need. Fo shizzle

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

At least we have the Eagles entire playbook now...

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 5, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Trade BAit?

Cooley (possible 2nd)
MK12 (2nd)
LL (3rd)
Double Move (2nd)
JC17 (4th)
Carter (3rd)
Haynesworth (2nd/3rd)


We will have Picks People! Rounds 2 - 4 will be the most valuable in this draft......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone give a 2nd rounder to Kelly, who shouldn't have been drafted that high to begin with? He has chronic knee problems that will only get worse as he gets older. To think that Campbell can fetch a 4th rounder is laughable. Cooley could fetch a 4th rounder, but everyone else on that list would fetch the equivalent of a compensatory pick in the 6th round and that's it.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Report: Five teams interested in Jason Campbell
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 5, 2010 10:19 AM ET

It's only a matter of time before Jason Campbell gets traded from the Redskins.

ESPN 980 in Washington reports there are five teams already interested: Buffalo, Carolina, Oakland, Jacksonville & an unknown team.

Keep in mind that radio station is owned by Dan Snyder, so there is plenty of self-interest in floating so many teams out there to create a market.

Still, we don't think this will be a tough deal to pull off. Consider that David Carr had multiple suitors as a free agent. Campbell would have been the best free agent available by leaps and bounds.

SI's Peter King -- who had a fabulous writeup about Donte' Stallworth Monday -- guesses Campbell could be worth a fifth-rounder. We think he's worth more.

He's far cheaper and younger than McNabb. Campbell may not have the pedigree McNabb does, but we don't think their trade value (or talent level at this point) is that different.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

beeps. Poll

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

SI's Peter King -- who had a fabulous writeup about Donte' Stallworth Monday -- guesses Campbell could be worth a fifth-rounder. We think he's worth more.

He's far cheaper and younger than McNabb. Campbell may not have the pedigree McNabb does, but we don't think their trade value (or talent level at this point) is that different.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Well if he's worth that much why didn't we just keep him and use the 2nd rounder on something else...like an O-lineman? I agree that the radio station is just feeding the masses more propaganda.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 5, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I doubt CR will yield us a second round pick.

and I'd trade Davis ahead of Cooley.

but your point is well taken.

We'll be all right.

Welcome aboard Donny!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

A 2nd rounder is not an automatic starter in the NFL don't kid yourself, and who says they would have drafted o-line there anyway.

McNabb alone makes the o-line better, Shanny's system makes the o-line better.

Plus there is still the draft and there are still viable options for RT on the open market.

As far as McNabb being injury prone, he had more pass attempts the last few years then any QB so of course he is more likely to get injured. He will have a better running game in Whashington and a coach who will use it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

This trade smells of Tebow. I hate to say this but trading for Mcnabb seems to be the perfect way for the Skins to draft Tebow, let him sit behind Mcnabb for a few years and learn how to play QB. Just a thought, but everyone has said Tebow will take 2-3 years to develop properly... and not we have a QB who has 2-3 years left in him.... anyone else think that this trade might just be the signal that the Skins are going to try to get Tim "Gods gift to football" Tebow?

We have moveable parts that we can parlay into a 2nd, 3rd, 4th whatever round pick, and if we can get back into the 2nd round/3rd round... look for the Skins to take Tebow.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse
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Huh? Absolutely not. With what pick?? And to put him where, the 3rd string QB? #3 TE? I don't think Tebow is coming here now at all. I think you're totally wrong. Shanny isn't stupid. He knows he needs a LT, and at this point I'd be shocked if Okung isn't a Redskin if he's still available at #4. I'd also be shocked if the team doesn't trade at least Campbell for an additional pick or two.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 5, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

On balance, I like this trade, but, people, you point out what I think is the biggest potential failing of the deal: that, by the time the 'Skins are good enough to contend, McNabb will be done. Here's why I don't think that will happen. QBs can routinely be effective into their late 30s, especially if they keep themselves in shape and can avoid serious injuries. From what I've read, McNabb works out religiously in the offseason. A key factor, though, is whether the 'Skins' O-line will be able to keep the team's starting QB upright and out of the hospital next year. They've already addressed the interior of the line by signing Artis and Lichtensteiger and moving M. Williams to guard full time, and I am betting that they will address the tackle position in the draft with their current picks and/or with trades to acquire additional picks. If the team makes the right moves, I think that the 'Skins will be a contending team within the 3-4 year window that McNabb probably has left as a top-flight QB.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 5, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, if you actually paid attention, John Clayton is regularly positive with the Skins...not a typical Banks style h8tr at all....most likely b/c he has some high level sources which he doesn't want to offend.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 10:16 AM


Don't get why you're getting snippy with me about it...all I'm saying there is that if something looks good on paper, talking heads will all say they like it. And then promptly rip it when it goes wrong. Few of them are held accountable for being wrong on something from the start.

Not sure what else you read into that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

all I'm saying is that by trading one of their few draft picks to start with, we now have ONE less opportunity to address the OL, and if Okung isn't there at #4, what then??

Their needs remain the same after making this trade, that being a Better OL....DM wont last taking a beating like JC did...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


bean, I think with the cap created through releases (although that may not matter too much longer) and the number of players they tendered, I just see the Redskins making BIG moves on draft day.

* I think Campbell is as good as gone now.

* I think they wanted to trade Carlos Rogers as soon he began to b!tch

* I know that it's just talk right now but, they may also want to move Haynesworth and Landry -- I think you can get at least a third for either one of them.

* As much as I hate to say it, they may want to move Chris Cooley also. Cooley can yield a late 2nd/mid third.

No doubt Shanahan has the notion that with a little tweaking here and a little upgrading there this team can win right now. No "re-building" necessary.

I agree with him. I'm not saying they're just one player away from the bowl, but I figure that if they get a LT that can start immediately they may better than what i expected this year.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

We lost our Pro Bowl LT to injury and retirement and his replacement did not signed. We cut our previous RT and his replacement has not panned out. We cut our RG, and we are hoping that our failed backup plan for RT (BMW) will pan out for RG.

Yep. But they can fix all of that with the draft.

Or a FA pickup between now and then. There's all kinds of stuff lineman just out there.

Because really, my view that the O-line is the worst in the league has no basis.

Oy.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Oh...And a hearty F You to the Whole Blog this morning.....F Everybody.....F da Haters.....F da Skeptics....F those who don't live life to the fullest.....


Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 9:50 AM

4th: You're slacking home style buffet...you forgot the most important "F". F Dallas.

BTW, good morning to you too.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | April 5, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If they can get all that in the draft - or between now and the start of the season - terrific.

I don't see it.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Guess I'm not of the train of thought that the entire OLine will be fixed in 1 year. Alot of needs on the team, but the biggest one has already been addressed.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This trade is great... it kills about 2 or 3 things that we don't have to talk about here on RI:

#1 JC is no longer the starter & we don't have to argue about it anymore.

#2 The Redskins aren't drafting a QB with the fourth pick, so no more Jimmy, Sammy, Colt, Teebow or whoever else will be drafted in the top 2 rounds.

This is a great day in Redskins nation, at least we have a competent QB who might be able to resurrect his career in the likes of Warner or Favre... McNabb will be very good in the first year, because think about how Zorn's unpredictability in the first 8 games got us to 6-2... now with McNabb in a new system for the first time in his career, he will have some unpredictability on his side because the Eagles offense was becoming stale.

This isn't a desperation move like the Jason Taylor trade, we're talking about getting the leader/face of the franchise with our #2 pick & one next year. What price do we put on wins??

Hail to the REDSKINS!!!

Posted by: tony325 | April 5, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This is all SNYDER fault.

For me the old coach is looking very good and NO IM NOT GOING TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE!
IF YOUR STUPID TO TAKE THE EAGLES PROBLEM AND MAKE THEM YOURS. YOU MUST LEAVE. WHY WAIT FIVE YEARS TO FIND OUT SHANAHAN IS DONE!
NO ELWAY WILL NOT BE SAVING HIM.

ITS ROUGH BEING A HOMER!

I HATE THIS TEAM!

Posted by: SOLVBACK | April 5, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Trading for a franchise quarterback while only giving up a second and a fourth round draft pick is a steal. With QB's playing until they are forty these days, the age of McNabb does not frighten me. Here's a guy who knows the system and can win football games. Oh, and I have seem throw hail mary passes in bounds...

As for shopping Landry and Haynesworth: rumors, fodder for stirring up the fans.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

My question was - would you feel the same way if Vinny was the person making this trade? I seriously think most fans would be jumping off the bridge if it had been Vinny.

And consider the fact we now only have 4 draft picks (with 3 of them LATE) - and STILL no O line to protect McNabb.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:53 AM
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No, I wouldn't feel the same way if Vinny made the trade. With Vinny, I could only assume he did it to appease the boss's need for big name players. With Vinny, I would think there was no plan - just another random signing. With Vinny, I wouldn't be assured that the offensive line would eventually get fixed. I know Shanahan and Allen recognize the need for an OT and I trust they will go after it. If anything, having McNabb on the roster kind of takes a little pressure off for drafting a QB.

As for draft picks, well, don't be surprised if they ultimately end up with a mountain of draft picks. They will get something for Campbell. If they trade Carter, Haynesworth or Landry, then I could see some picks coming from those trades. If Okung is off the board, then they could trade down for a few more picks.

Plus, I have brought this point up a few times and I will just bring it up one more time. Shanahan had a whole year off to evaluate players in college and professional ranks. He has a good feel for what is available in the draft and what round he should be taking them. I think this is why he has loaded up at running back: because he wasn't happy with the talent coming out of college this year. I think it is also why he doesn't mind coming into this draft with a few picks and an o-line to build: he knows this draft is exceptionally deep for tackles. IMAO, he will stockpile later round draft picks through trades and surprise us with the talent he is able to mine in those rounds. Oh, and he will take Okung if he is available...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We lost our Pro Bowl LT to injury and retirement and his replacement did not signed. We cut our previous RT and his replacement has not panned out. We cut our RG, and we are hoping that our failed backup plan for RT (BMW) will pan out for RG.

Yep. But they can fix all of that with the draft.

Or a FA pickup between now and then. There's all kinds of stuff lineman just out there.

Because really, my view that the O-line is the worst in the league has no basis.

Oy.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse
___________

Between Artis Hicks, BMW, and Lichtensteiger (or whatever his name is), they've addressed RG for better or for worse. If they get Okung at #4 and get another tackle in a hypothetical 3rd rounder in a Campbell, now things aren't quite so bad on the line.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 5, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

We lost our Pro Bowl LT to injury and retirement and his replacement did not signed. We cut our previous RT and his replacement has not panned out. We cut our RG, and we are hoping that our failed backup plan for RT (BMW) will pan out for RG.

Yep. But they can fix all of that with the draft.

Or a FA pickup between now and then. There's all kinds of stuff lineman just out there.

Because really, my view that the O-line is the worst in the league has no basis.

Oy.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse
___________

Between Artis Hicks, BMW, and Lichtensteiger (or whatever his name is), they've addressed RG for better or for worse. If they get Okung at #4 and get another tackle in a hypothetical 3rd rounder in a Campbell trade, now things aren't quite so bad on the line.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 5, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Guess I'm not of the train of thought that the entire OLine will be fixed in 1 year

Well, then we agree.

My point is in response to those that think it will/can be.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Nobody has mentioned the intangibles Don brings to the team. Good work ethic, confidence, leadership...

Posted by: smokeybear2 | April 5, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1--- Andre Carter alone could get us 3rd round pick if we wanted. Couple a few of them together and absolutely we could get a 2nd/ 3rd or 4th rounder... you say the same shi% everytime and yet... never have anything but "you can't make this stuff up" to say. Try refuting it, actually say something of value.


Also skinsfan713- are you kidding me about Moss? He has more drops than any wr outside of TO and maybe Edwards in NY. DO you watch the skins? His hands are not good... he drops slants/ outs curls... Really your telling me he has good hands? I do not deny that he has been good for us over the years and that he has made a number of solid catches... but really? He drops a lot of balls. I can think of like 5 drops off the top of my head...

Moving to our rbs... while I do think Clinton will be motivated by this trade and the signings of LJ and FWP I just do not think he has enough left in his legs to be a dominant player anymore. Maybe with all 3 we will be able to have a decent attack, but i just do not see any one guy from tihs group stepping up and being a top 5, top 10 even top 15 RB...

Also, how is this not a herky jerky decision? We should be rebuilding. We should be using our draft picks on young players, yes they might not pan out, but at least were trying to retool and regroup. Look at the eagles... they dont make trades like this, the patriots, the saints... teams build through the draft and then bring in some vets here and there... trading picks away is a win NOW mentality and if you really think this team can win now you should not be following football.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Would not be adverse to dumping Haynesworth and Landry, but would be really surprised to find another team dumb enough to take them.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

My question was - would you feel the same way if Vinny was the person making this trade? I seriously think most fans would be jumping off the bridge if it had been Vinny.

And consider the fact we now only have 4 draft picks (with 3 of them LATE) - and STILL no O line to protect McNabb.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:53 AM

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

If Vinny would trade for McNabb, but he doesn't have a job, do I care? Look, Vinny is gone. Don't obsess over his googly eyes anymore.

For the record, if Vinny were here, he'd make rickyroge's trade:

"WOW...

Acquiring McNabb would depend on if you were looking at short or long term. I would give them our #4 and anyone but Orakpo, Davis, Kelly, or Thomas."

Posted by: rickyroge | April 3, 2010 7:10 PM

That's a classic Snyderatto move RICK. So are these gems:

*Giving up a 3rd round pick for TJ Duckett.
*Giving up a 3rd rounder for Mark Brunell.
*Giving up a 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor.
*Giving up a 3rd and a 4th for Brandon Lloyd.

McNabb has taken Philly to the playoffs for 8 of the past 10 years. He was in the NFC Championship game just 2 years ago. He's an experienced WCO quarterback, and we didn't overpay for him. This is a STARTING QUARTERBACK we are talking about. I'm all for building the O-Line, but a QB touches the ball on nearly every offensive snap. Do you want to continue to give those duties to Jason "Gag Reflex" Campbell?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 5, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins have NO ONE other than washed up RBs, no offensive line, and a defensive scheme with players that don't fit the scheme.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 5, 2010 10:09 AM
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So, your argument is to not go after a QB like McNabb that fits your scheme because 33 is too old for a QB? Clearly, McNabb at 33 is better than JC now or at any point in his career. Give me a 33 year old field general over a 28 year old huddle whisperer any day.

For every one of those positions you mention: running back, defensive scheme, and offensive line, Shanahan has signed some free agent to plug the holes. I think he's done the best with what was out there while not breaking the bank.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Is Jason La Canfora still writing for the Redskins Insider? This article would make him proud.

If Maese threw out any more speculation today he might blow out his arm.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so if this team is being completely remade we'll likely try to trade some players for picks. I'm still waiting to see how this front office will get some much needed youth on the roster to balance all these guys on their last legs.

What does everyone think is a reasonable return for some of the possible trades?

Our best shot is probably to trade Campbell and Carter.

Campbell - mid 3rd rounder at best. Not a lot of leverage here but could be a quality backup/game manager type. Also could be a good caretaker for Rams/Bills or some other team that drafts a QB this year and doesn't want to start him immediately.
Carter - 3rd-4th. Has value as a second pass rusher to a team looking to make a push this year but hasn't consistently had good years.

These are probably best case scenarios, but if we can get Okung in the first and pick up a 3rd and another mid-round pick we give ourselves a shot at being competitive for two-three years with McNabb while rebuilding with some youth.

Posted by: manifested | April 5, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The only problem I have with the trade is that it lowers JC's trade value. We basically took Eagles QB-glut problem and made it our own: McNabb, JC, Rex Grossman and Colt Brennan. Everybody knows we've gotta deal at least 1 of those guys and it ain't gonna be McNabb. So who will pay top money for JC?

Posted by: tundey | April 5, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

We will be fine.. We got rid of our second round pick but I believe we trade down ne ways and get that second round pick back

Now we may have some draft day trades
1.Jason Campbell
2.Andre Carter
3.Carlos Rogers
4.Rocky Mac
5.Haynesworth
6.Landry

Thats the order I believe we trade the players I would of had Cooley up there but with Donovan I believe we keep Cooley and Davis..

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | April 5, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The analysis of it being NO nfl football in 2011 is probably true..I will take it a step further there may not be ANY nfl football again after 2010.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 5, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Wait, wait, so now we've had a QB who gave himself a concussion head-butting a wall and one who puked on the field in the biggest moment of his career.

And, remember all the games that Brunell, Johnson and George won for OTHER teams, then sucked here? See a trend? Uh, yea. McLoser is not welcome here.

Lastly, Haynesworth will have trouble getting any job for his current contract. A team might be willing to pay a substantial less amount for him, like 25% of what he earns now, but he's either staying here or getting cut, plain and simple.

Posted by: soloman5000 | April 5, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Would happily trade Haynesworth, Landry, Campbell, Portis and Moss -- not necessarily in that order -- for a 4th, 5th, 6th and two 7ths. A lot of money would be flushed but they would save thousands on Febreze in the locker room.

Posted by: TheophilusS | April 5, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

You posters kill me. You try to predict and conclude whats going to happen and who needs to stay and go every spring and summer and end up wrong about both. Seeing that the skins are a losing team it is now chic for fans to deem the whole team expendable until they win a few games just so you can think you are right. Sometime you know when a guy does not fit and sometimes you have to put together your personnel and let them play to get an idea what works. AH did not have a good year last year by his standards but he did not have a lousy year either, and yes he was out of shape but if you listen to fans they would ship out every player on a game by game basis out of frustration of losing for soo long. Cooley has a good game he is a keeper, If he drops a couple of passes the next game then he is trade bait. At the beginning of the season we were calling Fred Davis a bust, by the end of the season we now want to trade cooley and keep him. Fans want instant gratification and if they dont get it they want to get rid of everyone. Eagles fans wanted McNabb gone because he could not win the NFC Championship or Superbowl. We wish JC could get us to the NFC championship. We would be glad to have had a team that went to 5 NFC championships and a superbowl over the last 10 years. Then again we probably would not be happy with that no more than we are now going 4-12. Right now the Jets love Mark Sanchez, we would have wanted him gone. Skins fans expectations are soo high that its either superbowl or get rid of the whole team and start over. Only to get rid of that team if they dont produce in 1 or 2 seasons. Thats how you end up being the Detroit Lions. You keep starting over every other season. Sometimes you have to taste the stew before you decide what else is needed. Allow AH to play in the 3-4, if he is no good then consider trading him, who knows, he may be great. My biggest problem with him was his conditioning, not his ability. And before we get all cynical and start wishing for our RB's to be traded for picks remember who are coach is. He likes RB by committee and he knows how to put together a O-line that can run the ball. But it may take a season fickle fans so please dont call for a team overhaul by the second game of the preseason. We lost these last two years mainly because our FO did not address our needs on the O line and we hired a QB coach to be our playcaller and head coach. Like mike and mike said he was a dead man walking by the second week of last season. If we get a nose tackle imagine teams trying to double AH at one end plus having to deal with a NT, Orakpo, Carter etc. But the first thing we need are linemen, no getting around that. And you dont need to have high picks to get them. You just have to know where to look.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 5, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

From McMetal:

"Don Banks' comments this morning really disturb me. He clearly implies Shanny is only interested in a short term gig here to pad his bank account, rather than rebuilding the team slowly from the ground up. This move would seem to support that notion.

Man, I hope that is not true. The last thing we need is someone at the top half-assing it and cutting corners with the roster moves at this critical time."

Hope this isn't true, too, but I'm afraid Banks sounds dead-on (McNabb might make offense better this year and maybe next, but coughing up draft picks for an old QB is anything but a long-term plan). At least if Shanahan is half-assing it, he's doing it on purpose, and not just because he's as clueless as Vinny the Lapdog.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | April 5, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert in trade talks? I love it! He was the only player left with too much money or control. Glad to see it has all come to an end.

Posted by: artsnsportz | April 5, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

MOre stupidity from Allen and Shanahan..Haynesworth may be a huge tub of lard but everyone on the D-line agrees that he made his teammates better last year by tying up two blockers at a time. Landry is every bit as good as the overrated Sean Taylor, his coverage "problems" no worse than Taylor's..if Vinny and Danny had made this half-assed trade, the usual mob would have called for their scalps. Allen still holding down a job due to his father's name. Shanahan still riding JOhn Elway's coattails..nothing after Elway's retirement..while coaching in the AFC West, which would be dominated by USC if they played in the league..
Good luck, McNabb, hope you can block for yourself because Allen and Shanahan don't get it..McNabb has always been about personal stats, witness the 1-5 record in NFC title games. Jason deserved so much better than he got from this amateurish setup. Danny, send these two clowns packing and beg Cerrato to come back.

Posted by: markappraiser1 | April 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are treating Haynesworth, Landry and possibly Campbell like banjo players. Wow.

Posted by: carterm1 | April 6, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, Shanallen see both Landry and Haynesworth as un-coachable and therefore are looking to move each of them in the near term.

If they cannot do it by draft day, then perhaps they can do it before the season begins. Remember, it's a long off season (too long IMHO).

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 6, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Bwahaha! You can't get rid of your $100mil albatross that easily Snyder.

Posted by: ozpunk | April 6, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Ken, you need to get your facts straight: it was St. Gibbs(He who is always held to be above criticism) who brought Brunell here(for 2 #1's, mind you, not a 2nd- this for a guy whose old team just sat him down). St. Gibbs also engineered the trading of a 1st, 2nd, and a 4th for the right to pick Jason. I was not a big fan of Jason's but I also think he has gotten a raw deal from Allen and Shanahan. Maybe if St. Gibbs wasn't so bent on throwing away draft picks for refugees from the God squad, we might have a couple more decent offensive lineman. You could look it up(as Casey Stengal used to say): the downslide of the Skins in the '90's began with Beathard's retirement, not Gibbs'. Gibbs may have been a great coach but he wasn't the personnel guy. Conerly was a circus freak at personnel choices. Do a search on Wikipedia for "Redskins Draft Choices." I'll take Vinny's choices over Conerly's (or St Gibbs' during his 2nd go-around).
Those of you who got out of the fourth grade on your own steam must realize the awful truth: Shanahan and Allen(the "football" people) are clueless. We are going to suffer through another 2-3 seasons of sub-.500 football until the Danny pulls the plug on follies Shanahan. McFatas$ will be the turnover machine, the committee of retread running backs will average 3 yards a carry. Only the defense, which Shanahan is already trying to gut, will keep the'Skins competitive.
Another 3 years of the excrement sandwich. Hey, at least the Nats should make the playoffs by then and the Caps may have won the Stanley Cup! Forget the Redskins, at least until Allen and Shanahan are shown the door..looking forward to seeing Jason take his new team to the Super Bowl..

Posted by: markappraiser1 | April 6, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

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