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Haynesworth in danger of falling way behind

Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will have a lot of catching up to do if, as expected, he reports for the mandatory minicamp that begins June 16 at Redskins Park.

"It's a new system," defensive lineman Phillip Daniels said. "A lot of stuff puttin' in. It's going to be hard to pick this up in just a small amount of time. He's going to have to come in here and really, really study when he gets here.

"Every week we go in the classroom, we doin' different stuff. It gets kind of confusing at times. You've got to really study and categorize things.

And with him not being here, it's going to be tough on him when he gets here, because it's a lot. I talked to him and I told him. I talked to him a few weeks ago."

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By Jason Reid  |  May 10, 2010; 6:02 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , Minicamp  | Tags: Albert Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan, Minicamp, Phillip Daniels, Redskins Park, Washington Redskins  
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Comments

First to say, may the best man play. After he sits a few quarters, he'll get it together.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 10, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

F Haynesworth...he'll be gone soon anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

One of the sides has to give in soon. I hope Al comes to his senses, but I doubt he will. He's trying to get traded. Got to get something for him.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | May 10, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe John Henderson is still on the market...I wouldn't mind if we brought him in for a look.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

If your a space eater in the 3-4 how much stuff is there to catch up on?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

If your a space eater in the 3-4 how much stuff is there to catch up on?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan |

Apparently the system is a little more complex than that. Even Space eaters can slant one way or the other, coordinate with linebackers, game and loop, rush hard or play the piano, rush unfetteerd or watch for the middle screen, etc.

Posted by: TheCork | May 10, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Lets hope he watches the flat screen on the bench.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

If your a space eater in the 3-4 how much stuff is there to catch up on?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 6:42 AM


That's why you should read the Wise column...it's not just about X's and O's, it's about lining up with the guys on the team in the new alignment. It's about getting to know and trust the guys out on the field with you. You can't just insert a guy Week 1 who hasn't lined up with everyone else during the offseason and expect things to run smoothly. This is the time to start forging team chemistry and the only guy not concerned with that right now is Haynesworth.

I mean, if Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh can show up without signed contracts, why can't the guy with the BIGGEST contract on the team show up? There's just no good reason for it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

And with him not being here, it's going to be tough on him when he gets here, because it's a lot. I talked to him and I told him. I talked to him a few weeks ago.

By Jason Reid | May 10, 2010; 6:02 AM ET

Another thing that will be tough is when he lines up with the rookies and undrafted free agents instead of the starters. Or, probably not. Tough would be if he's last in line for supper and when he goes down the line all the cheesecake is gone.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

F 350 lb glory hogs.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

westjr:

You out there this a.m.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 10, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Understood Brown…just tried to spur some discussion. I read the Wise article.
Daniels was speaking of classroom stuff wasn't he?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

I mean, if Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh can show up without signed contracts, why can't the guy with the BIGGEST contract on the team show up? There's just no good reason for it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

, I think Ashburn is an awful suburb but for 31 million, I could deal with being there for a few weeks. Hell you say in a hotel and just show up on the 2-3 days for the mini camp.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

2ndtier, I think the main thing is being around the guys and trying to get a feel for each other on the field. Plus the thought that nobody should be coming into this season feeling good about themselves after the shibacle that was the '09 season. If you're even a little bit interested in turning things around in '10, you should be at Redskins Park sweating it out with the rest of the team.

These sessions are voluntary, but it should FEEL mandatory to anyone who is serious about making this team better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

I think Ashburn is an awful suburb but for 31 million, I could deal with being there for a few weeks. Hell you say in a hotel and just show up on the 2-3 days for the mini camp.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 7:10 AM


Guys show up in Green Bay and train every year for much less...and Carlisle ain't much better than Ashburn, I can tell you that much.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

when you sign a hired-gun ... then he's going to demand that he be able to do what he wants to do (what he thinks he does best) ... hes got one year here (and half that was sucking wind on the sideline) so he has no personal investment (except with mr. snyder's money) ... this wont be cleaned up in a short time, unless traded out of town.

Posted by: SkinsSinceDayOne | May 10, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Brown...I agree.
I posted this this morning and I believe it still appies.
The difference between AH and the other players is AH will get paid to play while the other players are playing to get paid. For AH the game check is the same amount this tear whether he practices with the team or not.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Oops I meant to say year not tear.

Brown...I agree.
I posted this this morning and I believe it still appies.
The difference between AH and the other players is AH will get paid to play while the other players are playing to get paid. For AH the game check is the same amount this year whether he practices with the team or not.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I hear you 2ndtier...10 times outta 10, I'd happily take a guy with a fraction of AH's talent and 10 times the work ethic. That's why I'm excited about getting Carriker for a song and a dance...I think he'll be a much better investment than AH ever was.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

From what I'm reading, it seems the team is really buying in and looks unified. Though we gave up a lot to get this fat mess of a human, and he can be dominating at times, why let him ruin the chemistry that is building. He is resented for that big contract anyway. I think we can get by without him. I want to root for players who want to play here, not for egotistical jerk offs.

Posted by: FedorEm | May 10, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm sure there's jealosy in the REDSKINS locker room ober AL's contract. I'm just as sure however, that practically the majority of players in there would take his contract over theirs if offered to them.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 10, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

regarding Albert Haynesworth,

"I think we can get by without him."


I wonder if Andre Carter (11 sacks) and Brian Orakpo feel this way.

I doubt it.

Leave Albert alone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Andre Carter (11 sacks) and Brian Orakpo feel this way.

I doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 7:41 AM


I love this argument...it's not like Carter and Orakpo were undrafted slappies with no pedigree. I seem to remember Carter having a 10 sack season here a couple years before Haynesworth ever showed up and Orakpo was probably the most polished pass rusher available in last year's draft. AH may have helped those numbers, but it's not like he's out there turning water into wine. Anyone who thinks he had as much impact in D.C. as he did in Nashville is smoking the stickiest of the icky.

We posted top 10 defenses here before AH. I presume that we can after AH as well.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Im here now gl

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't like the dude. How many of those 22 sacks between Orakpo and Carter resulted in Turnovers or TD's? None. I am hoping Haslett's scheme can fix that, with or without Fats Domino.

Posted by: FedorEm | May 10, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Leave Albert alone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 7:41 AM

You don't see any downside to this tactic from a team building or chemistry standpoint?

Posted by: MColeman51 | May 10, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

This is why I have always said that players should be paid at the end of the season. Their performance should be evaluated, and they should be paid accordingly.

How many of us are paid up front for the work we do?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | May 10, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"Though we gave up a lot to get this fat mess of a human, and he can be dominating at times, why let him ruin the chemistry that is building?"

Think like this, my friend:

Haynesworth comes in this Fall ready to play and has a dominating season.

Is his value higher next spring or now?

I'd say leave the guy alone, cross your fingers while hoping for the best out of him, and then trade him away next Spring when you can demand value based on a stellar season.

Let's get some return on our investment.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

If your a space eater in the 3-4 how much stuff is there to catch up on?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan |

Apparently the system is a little more complex than that. Even Space eaters can slant one way or the other, coordinate with linebackers, game and loop, rush hard or play the piano, rush unfetteerd or watch for the middle screen, etc.

Posted by: TheCork | May 10, 2010 6:52 AM

Don't forget...

flush the donkey

or razzamapoogy

or zip pip the flip and chip with a side of apple dippers and a coke to sip!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | May 10, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

We posted top 10 defenses here before AH. I presume that we can after AH as well.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Amen brown.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Reid just can't help himself anymore when it comes to Haynesworth. You gotta wonder without Haynesworth, who would Reid have to write about. I'd be curious as to how many threads Reid has posted that has Haynesworth as the main subject.


And since when did reporters/writers quote people in Ebonics?


**Today is 5-10-10.
Something of significance will happen today**

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

**Today is 5-10-10.
Something of significance will happen today**

Posted by: RedDMV

Your wife said you will fertilize the garden.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm on board with being sick of al at this point, he's got his money, they're not asking for anything out of the ordinary, he's part of the team he should act like it.

Rajon Rondo ladies and gentlemen....messed around and got a triple double...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

mcoleman51

"You don't see any downside to this tactic from a team building or chemistry standpoint?"


You do have a strong point.

We are about to see the emergence of one redskin team shaped out of added players who don't remember Zorn, St Joe, and Spurrier, and older players who do.

But as we are not in the lockerroom, we really don't know the dynamics that are behind this shaping.

For one thing, pro athletes cut each other wide slack when a guy says he's doing what he thinks is right for him.

And whereas we complain about Haynesworth's non-attendence, thing is, it's sanctioned by the union.

You can't make a guy come to voluntary practices: that's a NFLPA stipulation that AH is following.

Leave the guy alone, hope he has a great season, and trade him next Spring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd say leave the guy alone, cross your fingers while hoping for the best out of him, and then trade him away next Spring when you can demand value based on a stellar season.

Let's get some return on our investment.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 7:59 AM


You have much more optimism than I do, my friend...with an offseason spent doing as little as possible and missing the installation of a new defense he has no prior experience in, what leads you to believe he's going to have a "stellar" season? Right now the best we can hope for is "serviceable".

I think now is the time to trade him if that's the decision that's been made. It's an uncapped year and there's a much greater chance that his trade value will go down rather than up. If you can get a 2nd rounder and a conditional mid-round pick for him, I'd take it. That's a way better scenario than AH getting hurt or middling thru the '10 season and getting close to nothing (or actually NOTHING) going into '11.

If the team has resolved to cut its losses, NOW is the time.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I love this argument...it's not like Carter and Orakpo were undrafted slappies with no pedigree. I seem to remember Carter having a 10 sack season here a couple years before Haynesworth ever showed up and Orakpo was probably the most polished pass rusher available in last year's draft. AH may have helped those numbers, but it's not like he's out there turning water into wine. Anyone who thinks he had as much impact in D.C. as he did in Nashville is smoking the stickiest of the icky.

We posted top 10 defenses here before AH. I presume that we can after AH as well.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 7:49 AM

Brownwood - I agree with what you have to say for the most part, but as much as I hate AH and his ME attitude he has to go with that big contract - I have to admit that our pass rush was noticably more effective last year when he was in the lineup. However, I do feel like we need to get what we can for him and part ways - loss or no loss. He's bad for the team and the attitude that the new regime is trying to install.

Posted by: scottmando | May 10, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

You can't make a guy come to voluntary practices: that's a NFLPA stipulation that AH is following.

Leave the guy alone, hope he has a great season, and trade him next Spring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 8:13 AM |

It's called "work to rules." No one up here has said he can't do it. It's his teammates who are calling him out because they're not "working to rules." They're working to win. Either he's a part of the team or he's not and so far he's shown that he's not.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

There are 2 things here: What he is able to do because the union says so OR what he SHOULD do for the betterment of the team.

Yeah I know he is talented, leave him alone...blah, blah.

Fact is, if he wants to get along with all the new teammates and really cares about the good of the team and wants to win...he sucks it up, gets on a plane and attends a damn 3 day workout and not cause a distraction.

I could agree a whole lot more with Rogers or McIntosh not showing up because they don't have a contract but you know what? They were there and they didn't just get $21 million frickin' dollars either.

AH basically has said, gimme my money, now go F yourself. I don't give a crap what position he does or doesn't want to play. For $21 million he ought to be there, right now, cutting the damn grass if thats what they asked him to do.

just my opinion

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

You can't make a guy come to voluntary practices: that's a NFLPA stipulation that AH is following.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 8:13 AM


Nobody's taking away his RIGHT to sit out voluntary practices. It's the fact that he doesn't WANT to come in and do whatever it takes to rebound from a 4-12 season that doesn't sit well.

Again--if Rocky and Carlos showed up WITHOUT A CONTRACT, the guy who makes more than the two of them combined should be front and center.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Either he's a part of the team or he's not and so far he's shown that he's not.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:23 AM

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: scottmando | May 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Good grief.

Another crying session about AH.

It sucks that he's not with the team. But the wise and learned Shanny knows that this guy can play, which is why he's still here. If his absence truly was as big a deal as all the sobbing Nancies around here act like it is, he'd have been cut/traded a while ago.

But they know when the whistle blows that he's absolutely one of the best players on the field, and while it's appropriate to beat the drum of team chemistry, you live with certain exceptions when it comes to the uber-talented.

Scare tactics from Philip Daniels aside, learning a new scheme is obviously going to have a learning curve, but it's not like he's training to be an astronaut. His job is still going to consist of fighting off Olinemen, tackling the ball carrier and collapsing the pocket.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

If your team mates start criticizing your lack of attendance what does that say for chemistry?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

If your team mates start criticizing your lack of attendance what does that say for chemistry?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 10, 2010 8:28 AM

It says that if Fat Albert is on our team this fall, we will be lucky to finish with an 8-8 record.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | May 10, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

What p1funk is saying, basically, is "I got nothing."

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

If he comes in out of shape and can't keep up with the system, then I say sue him for his bonus.

Posted by: MrChili | May 10, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

...while it's appropriate to beat the drum of team chemistry, you live with certain exceptions when it comes to the uber-talented.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:27 AM


I knew you'd be up here as AH's defense attorney...LOL

It's the above thought process that Shanahan is trying to debunk here. It's that line of thinking that got CP's ridiculous sense of entitlement. It's also what allowed TO to wreak havoc on not one, not two, but 4 NFL locker rooms.

TEAM is what wins in this league. You list me whatever stats you can find that AH is a player, but at the end of the day, only one stat matters when building the Redskins for 2010 and beyond:

43 Super Bowl champions WITHOUT Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Again--if Rocky and Carlos showed up WITHOUT A CONTRACT, the guy who makes more than the two of them combined should be front and center.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Guess you and I are pretty much on the same page with this one.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

43 Super Bowl champions WITHOUT Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:36 AM


44, that is. But you get the point...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

As for Nosferatu, I have used that as my online handle for the past 20 years. I also have a long-running fansite at http://www.nosferatuscoffin.com in case you are interested in learning more.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 10, 2010 2:15 AM

it's a great handle and website. didn't mean you haven't been around, just hadn't seen many posts lately.

looks like you have the whole film available for streaming! don't recognize the accompaniment, though. the sepia tint is kind of strange, too.

German Expressionist cinema is fun stuff... The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari and Metropolis are good ones.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Does this guy know how to manufacture news or what?

Posted by: MajorFacemask | May 10, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

What p1funk is saying, basically, is "I got nothing."

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse


Considering Albert Haynesworth is still on the team, I'd say that all the pissers and moaners are the ones who "got nothing".

But whatever. It's a great way for JReid to get blog hits.

Step 1: Prepare an "update" about AH not being there.

Step 2: Cue up the sob-artists...

...in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

But whatever. It's a great way for JReid to get blog hits.

Step 1: Prepare an "update" about AH not being there.

Step 2: Cue up the sob-artists...

...in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

lmao

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Technically, we all "got nothing" since none of us have any influence over whether AH stays or goes. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I mean, if Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh can show up without signed contracts, why can't the guy with the BIGGEST contract on the team show up? There's just no good reason for it.
Posted by: brownwood26
__________________________________________
Post of the Month!
Great job, Brownwood!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I knew you'd be up here as AH's defense attorney...LOL

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


Brown, I've been openly critical of AH's absence and work ethic. But my point is to keep it in perspective.

People are throwing out T.O and C.P in this discussion. Please.

All AH has done so far is not show up for some non-mandatory events. Is that really on par with actively dividing a lockerroom against your QB?? Is that really the same as talking to a news magazine and openly throwing teammates under the bus?

Contrary to popular belief, Shanny is fine with trying to keep and work with guys like AH. He put up with Brandon Marshall's antics for long enough. He went and drafted Maurice Clarrett. He gave $25 million to Travis Henry. All those guys where much further off the beaten path than AH; and he gave them shots/opportunities and tried to work with them - up to certain point.'

At the end of the day, I'm sure Shanny realizes that he's putting together a pro football team and not a boy-scout troop. Talented guys help you win, even if they don't always play kindly with the rest of the children.

If AH shows up and can't play, he'll get benched. If he's a further distraction he'll get fined/suspended, and eventually cut/traded.

Until then the chicken-littles need to chill out about voluntary workouts.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Technically, we all "got nothing" since none of us have any influence over whether AH stays or goes. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:45 AM

Disagree. Most of us are arguing off facts. pifunk is making it up:

"But the wise and learned Shanny knows that this guy can play, which is why he's still here. If his absence truly was as big a deal as all the sobbing Nancies around here act like it is, he'd have been cut/traded a while ago."

What is the basis for this? funk's got nothing.

"But they know when the whistle blows that he's absolutely one of the best players on the field, and while it's appropriate to beat the drum of team chemistry, you live with certain exceptions when it comes to the uber-talented."

This is not only made up -- it's flat out wrong. When has Shanahan "made an exception." funk's got nothing.

"Scare tactics from Philip Daniels aside, learning a new scheme is obviously going to have a learning curve, but it's not like he's training to be an astronaut. His job is still going to consist of fighting off Olinemen, tackling the ball carrier and collapsing the pocket."

What's the basis for this? funk doesn't have a clue what it takes to learn this system and to be part of the team. Philip Daniels is there everyday and he does. funk's got nothing.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

speaking of handles, RomoLongballs and I have a friendly wager on whether AH will be on the team roster for the opening game of the regular season.

if you missed it, the actual terms don't involve changing handles, since we agreed this would be too challenging for our lazy cyberselves.

instead, the loser will be required to add a "sufficiently humiliating" signature to all posts for a month. this signature should be directly related to AH, so nothing about our mommas... AH's momma is fair game, though.

do peeps have some ideas? maybe that way, Romo and I would have a menu of options from which we could each pick a signature for the other party in this transaction.

and I stand by my prediction that AH will not be here. enough said?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Keep on shooting the messenger 'cause you don't like hearing the truth: Albert is one big fat problem.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Until then the chicken-littles need to chill out about voluntary workouts.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:49 AM

You calling Philip Daniels a chicken little? He actually plays the game.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Again--if Rocky and Carlos showed up WITHOUT A CONTRACT, the guy who makes more than the two of them combined should be front and center.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse


I agree with your point for the most part. However, being paid the most money doesn't make you a leader IMO. All it signifies is the most talented player. AH was and will never be a leader of men. He's too selfish for that. I get all the presumed leadership that top $$ brings, but leading men is not why they brought him in for.

Posted by: TWISI | May 10, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

If AH shows up and can't play, he'll get benched

The problem with this logic is that if he were here, and were working with the team it would significantly lessen the chances that he'll show up and wont be able to play. Versus staying away from the team, not knowing the defense, and who knows if he's getting in shape, or not.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder deserves all of this stuff going around with Fat Albert not reporting. He signed 'em in February 2009 and he saw 'em in games seven months later in September 2009, totally out of shape. He paid 'em, he watched 'em flat on his stomach resting on the field during game, he saw 'em fake an ankle injury during game, and now he's seeing 'em with a selfish, me-first, un-team player, counting his money. Who was the first to say let's go get 'em, Snyder or Cerrato? Doesn't matter, he's with the team. Shanahan, cut your losses and say aloha to the SOB. Your team will be better for it.

Posted by: getitritegov | May 10, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

From Pro Football Weekly
"Rare eye-popping forget it speed" Outruns all angles. Shows burst, vision, balance as a runner. Very productive, and should contribute as a reciever. ...Diminutive explosive returner with game breaking and explosive speed..

I like that they picked up this Banks from K-State

Posted by: carlhimmelright | May 10, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

""Another thing that will be tough is when he lines up with the rookies and undrafted free agents instead of the starters. Or, probably not. Tough would be if he's last in line for supper and when he goes down the line all the cheesecake is gone.""

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse


What's the basis for this beep-beep?

You've got nothing.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

You calling Philip Daniels a chicken little? He actually plays the game.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


I don't recall Philip Daniels saying that the team would be better off without him.

I don't see Philip Daniels comparing AH to TO or CP.

I don't see Philip Daniels saying that AH is going to lineup with rookies and UFAs.

You've got nothing.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"I mean, if Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh can show up without signed contracts, why can't the guy with the BIGGEST contract on the team show up? There's just no good reason for it."

There is a reason for it: it's called a collective bargining agreement.

You can't make a guy do what he's not obligated to do.

And if the agreement between players and owners says a player doesn't have to commit himself to voluntary practices, he doesn't have to.

It's a business, folks.

This isn't high school, it's the NFL.

Pro athletes are independent contractors who sell their services to the higherst bidder.

You're arguing beerhall jingoisms while AH is just following the agreement he signed.

Blame the people who, after flubbing the Jason Taylor contract where voluntary/off season workouts obligations were in dispute, made the same mistake all over again with AH.

Go back and look: I wasn't for the AH move last February, while others crowed and celebrated it.

But as for now, he's on the team, and stands as the best defensive player we got.

Move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

The more I hear (and think) about Fat Albert, the most disgusted I become!
Just cut him loose. Yes, he would be (is) a huge mistake and monetary loss but the boat has sailed on him being anything other than a stinky rotten egg example to this team.
I can't ever remember an instance when so many team members call out one of there teammates.

Posted by: pd2710 | May 10, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

That's because Phillip Daniels has class, is doing his job and concentrating on TEAM.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"One of the sides has to give in soon...He's trying to get traded. Got to get something for him.Posted by: Gibbs4Pres"

I wouldn't count on it. I get the feeling Albert isn't planning on playing for the Skins this year. He doesn't believe they really want him to, and according to the Tennessee sports media (the part that isn't currently under water) he wants to go back there.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

You've got nothing.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:01 AM

"I'm rubber you're glue. Bounces off me and sticks to you."

"I know you are but what am I?"

funk bringing it hard this morning with the Pee Wee Herman posting.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If AH shows up and can't play, he'll get benched

The problem with this logic is that if he were here, and were working with the team it would significantly lessen the chances that he'll show up and wont be able to play. Versus staying away from the team, not knowing the defense, and who knows if he's getting in shape, or not.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse


Considering I've been saying all along that he should be there, I would agree with you.

My point is that - contrary to the view of some folks up here - no NFL coach cuts/trades their most talented players just because they don't goose-step for voluntary workouts.

No matter how strict or disciplinarian they are, the tendencies for all of these guys is to allow leeway to talented guys and try to work them until they absolutely cannot.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

westjr:

Find out anything re: HANDY?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 10, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

does anyone hear the sound of cats screeching, or is it just me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPG_1K2rdII&feature=related

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree Moe that its a business and technically everything you said is right BUT the object of the job is to get to the playoffs and eventually win the Super Bowl and you should do everything to achieve that goal. Thats my only grievance. I think he has what he wants -money- and could care less about who gave it to him.


*see Dana Stubblfield

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Just to play devils advocate for a minute for all those in defense of AH

As much talk as there is about AH making Orakpo and Carter soooo much better, has anyone brought up the point that maybe AH was more a product of the Titans system.

It also could be argued that AH's production drop due to not playing next to Kyle Vanden Bosch...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

funk bringing it hard this morning with the Pee Wee Herman posting.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Why does it not surprise me that you've got Pee Wee Herman quotes at the ready?

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

You're arguing beerhall jingoisms while AH is just following the agreement he signed.

Blame the people who, after flubbing the Jason Taylor contract where voluntary/off season workouts obligations were in dispute, made the same mistake all over again with AH.

Go back and look: I wasn't for the AH move last February, while others crowed and celebrated it.

But as for now, he's on the team, and stands as the best defensive player we got.

Move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:03 AM

Moe, Why don't you just cut and paste these posts since they all seem to say the same thing?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

The team signed Big Al and Hall to those "buyout" contracts for a reason, where all the money was moved to this year and the next few seasons were lowball salaries. Looking more and more like a smart move. 2011 Albert will spend the few million to buy out his own contract like laVar did a few years ago.

Hall seems to have dedicated himself though, which is good to see. Here is my shocking statement for you all, getting DeAngelo Hall will end up being a good move by this team.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

westjr:

Find out anything re: HANDY?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 10, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Nothing yet. I wont probably till I get back home. What was the brother's name?

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"I like that they picked up this Banks from K-State..."


I like the idea that the new FO has embraced the fact that the team needs some speed players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't count on it. I get the feeling Albert isn't planning on playing for the Skins this year. He doesn't believe they really want him to, and according to the Tennessee sports media (the part that isn't currently under water) he wants to go back there.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse


I would imagine that the hardball scenario that the Skins are playing is that they want AH to pay back money and then they'd be happy to facilitate a trade to wherever.

But they're not going to let him keep all that cash and send him where he wants to go.

They're not going to let him have his cake and eat it too...ha, ha...

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

There is a reason for it: it's called a collective bargining agreement.

You can't make a guy do what he's not obligated to do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:03 AM


Moe, you keep coming back to this...the point isn't what he's ALLOWED to do, it's about his desire to be a part of the wave of change to improve upon a 4-12 shibacle. Regardless of the nature of voluntary practices, he's the ONLY guy not there. And if he's brushing off the efforts of team leaders like London Fletcher and Donovan McNabb to get him in there, that's not cool. If you're trying to "stick it to the man" players tend to rally around that. But this isn't was AH is doing. He's sulking over not getting his way and is possibly alienating his teammates in the process.

As has been mentioned here a few times, we have a number of players who are actually in contract disputes with the team showing up, signing injury waivers to do it too. They're going out of their way to be a part of the solution even if they don't necessarily want to be here for the long term. Whether Haynesworth (or anyone on this blog) realizes it or not, he's making a negative statement by being the ONLY absence.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If you can get a 2nd rounder and a conditional mid-round pick for him, I'd take it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Based on what we've been told, the 'Skins haven't even been offered that for him. I know he's a pain in the buns, but your suggestion would be the minimum that I would accept for him. The 'Skins have apparently decided that they're not going to just give him away for a used jock and a tube of ointment, and I agree with that.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 10, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I like the idea that the new FO has embraced the fact that the team needs some speed players.


I like this idea as well...The kids a midget, but stranger things have happened in the NFL. He doesn't appear to be much smaller than the 7th rounder, Austin...Heck of a lot more speed...4.25

Posted by: carlhimmelright | May 10, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It also could be argued that AH's production drop due to not playing next to Kyle Vanden Bosch...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse


Not really.

His production didn't really drop all that much, despite switching teams. He was still one of the league's best all-around D-tackles.

Vanden Bosch, on the other hand, played in the same system/same players (minus AH). In 16 games he only had 3 sacks, after having 4.5 sacks in only 10 games the year before when AH was there.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

In fact, it does look like Tennessee needs Albert back. Their roster has just 3-4 guys listed as interior d-line, and only one who looks like a sure starter. They didn't address it in the draft except for a 2nd rounder (they spent their #1 on replacing Kyle VanDenBosch.

Albert might not be as unrealistic as we think.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Dear Reid,

Can you go a week without posting about Haynesworth?

Seriously, I'm about to file criminal charges on your behalf, because Misters Tenorio & Maese are boosting your lunch on a regular basis.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"They didn't address it in the draft except for a 2nd rounder..."

Sorry, I meant 7th rounder.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Its the law of averages. Guys get injured in camp & preseason. Someone will be desperate enough for a DT that they'll take Fat Albert off our hands.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | May 10, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Hall seems to have dedicated himself though, which is good to see. Here is my shocking statement for you all, getting DeAngelo Hall will end up being a good move by this team.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse


Not shocking to me. I've been a DHall advocate since we got him.

Yes, we overpaid. But that's what happens with guys who are #1-rated cornerbacks. But he's got prime years ahead of him, and, despite the criticism of ignorant haters, is a top-flight cover corner; though he leaves much to be desired in run-support.

It was a good sign last year when Zorn was letting veterans go home during training camp, that DHall decided to stay with his teammates.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Why does it not surprise me that you've got Pee Wee Herman quotes at the ready?

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:13 AM

Because you're a big Pee Wee Herman fan and try to pattern your posting off him.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What's the big deal? The only people AH is alienating are the coaches, his teammates and the fans.
And funk is right, because the team can't find a trade partner for a fat, over-paid, petulant baby that will probably be released anyway it obviously means that they want to keep him.

Posted by: mack1 | May 10, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

If you can get a 2nd rounder and a conditional mid-round pick for him, I'd take it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Based on what we've been told, the 'Skins haven't even been offered that for him. I know he's a pain in the buns, but your suggestion would be the minimum that I would accept for him. The 'Skins have apparently decided that they're not going to just give him away for a used jock and a tube of ointment, and I agree with that.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 10, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse


The minimum the Skins should accept is two 2nd-round picks: the price Miami paid for Brandon Marshall.

AH is a touch older, but still in his prime playing years. He's elite at his position, but whatever team gets him won't have to break the bank in a contract for him, the way Miami had to with Marshall. Though that might depend on if/how much AH pays back to the Skins to leave.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"He's sulking over not getting his way..."

I really don't get where this is coming from... who's said this?

His absence alone doesn't make this true.

It's not always a case of "Looks like, walks like..."


Sometimes it's just is what it is -- he's not there, he's training on his own.


But I do agree that he should be there with everyone else. Really, there isn't a reason that he shouldn't.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

There is no defense for this fat slob. He is a complete disgrace and the worst signing we ever made. Worse than Lloyd and Archuleta. Guys like Chris Johnson skip workouts when angling to get paid. This tub of lard got paid already. There is no justification for it. Get rid of him.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 10, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

*see Dana Stubblfield
Posted by: westjr88
____________________________________________
Certainly are analogous.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

It also could be argued that AH's production drop due to not playing next to Kyle Vanden Bosch...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Van den Bosch's sacks declined from 12 in 2007 (the last full season that he played with AH) to 3 last season suggests that the opposite is true.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 10, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Why does it not surprise me that you've got Pee Wee Herman quotes at the ready?

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:13 AM

Because you're a big Pee Wee Herman fan and try to pattern your posting off him.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Oh brother.

Quit while you're ahead beep-beep.

The Pee-Wee Herman zingers are really lame...maybe if it was 1986, but really...start a new thread of taunts.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I know he's a pain in the buns, but your suggestion would be the minimum that I would accept for him.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 10, 2010 9:19 AM


I think my scenario is the most realistic.

Nobody's giving up a 1st rounder for a 29 year-old guy with a questionable work ethic and appears destined for a divorce from his current team. Most NFL GMs aren't impressed by big names or high Madden ratings. Vinny and Al Davis are the only two that are...and one is unemployed, the other appears to be turning over a new leaf--or at least handing the keys to Raider Nation to more qualified people.

The idea is always to buy low and sell high. The Skins will want a 1st rounder but someone running a 4-3 with a desperate need at DT will probably give up no more than a 2nd, maybe a mid-round pick the following year to sweeten the pot if there's more than one team interested. I'd be shocked if we got anything more than that.

Of course, this is all IF Haynesworth is moved.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Playing DE in a 3-4 isn't bad....

Who are some notable DEs in a 3-4 system:

* Luis Castillo
* Ty Warren
* Aaron Smith
* Richard Seymour
* Elvis Dumervil
* Kimo von Oelhoffen

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Question.

Does anyone know if we were to release Albert would his cap penalty be retroactive on the team when a new CBA is in place?

And has there been any negotiations on the CBA lately?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Dear Reid,

Can you go a week without posting about Haynesworth?

Seriously, I'm about to file criminal charges on your behalf, because Misters Tenorio & Maese are boosting your lunch on a regular basis.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 9:24 AM

Dear Matt,

My lunch is safe until Albert Haynesworth arrives in town.

Sincerely,
Jason Reid

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Based on what he's done with the 'skins, I never understood the DHall hate from Redskins fans.

He's been a player since he's been here. And weak secondary or not; he's the best CB on the roster.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

There may be a dark horse returner in the midst of the roster, but it is not an obvious one once you take a look at it on nfl.com.

This brings in the possiblity of taking a look at Kansas State speedster Brandon Banks to be the sole special teams returner in 2010.

Banks is very small for an NFL player at 5'7" and 149 pounds, but so is Sproles at 5'6", but he does weigh 35 pounds more than Banks which helps.

Remember he did play football in college and got hit many times at Kansas State.

Despite is diminutive size, Banks is a burner and rumor has it that he ran a 4.25 40-yard dash while in college which would challenge that of the current fastest player in the NFL, Titans running back Chris Johnson.

Who would win in a race?

Many would probably pay to witness that true test of speed.

In his 2009 college season, Banks returned not one or two kicks for touchdowns, but four.

A deadly returner is needed, one who can not only get them great field position, but make the highlight reels taking a few to the house.

If size is not a concern, then the Redskins may have to look no further than Mr. Banks.

From CBS Sportsline

Posted by: carlhimmelright | May 10, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Good point stinky todd!

AH....oh who could have predicted this a year ago....oh yeah, pretty much everybody.

The Skins DT Hall of Shame: Stubblefield, Sean Gilbert*, Daryl Gardner....and now Fat Albert.

Hopefully this ends like the Sean "God told me to hold out" Gilbert situation....two first rounders from Panthers....um yeah a boy can dream.

D Gardner story also offers a clue, 'memba how he signed that big contract with Broncos after his career year with us (after we saved his career, thanks again...) Well he ran afoul of Shanny and was out of the league in 2 seasons....

Man since the Butz/World Grant days skins have not had a ton of luck at DT....


Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"He's sulking over not getting his way..."


I really don't get where this is coming from... who's said this?


Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 9:31 AM


Red, this is in reference to his apparent distaste for the 3-4 switch. He wants to play DT in a 4-3 that revolves around him. He's not getting that. If we were changing the defense to a carbon copy of what Tennessee runs, he'd probably be here giddy like a school girl. Since it's not happening his way, he's taking his ball and going home.

Or at least so we're told...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Not really.

His production didn't really drop all that much, despite switching teams. He was still one of the league's best all-around D-tackles.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

My point is that I don't think AH is as great as some may think. Sure before his big payday he played with a ton of passion and desire to win, which awarded him pro-bowl selections. Last year, I didn't see either. So to my point, he is either a product of the system, or lacks the desire to win.

Either way, AH is not the end all be all of DLinemen, and is very replaceable at this point.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

F Haynesworth...he'll be gone soon anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 6:26 AM

No...F his agent! Tell your client to come and learn the new system!

Albert isn't going anywhere this year unless someone offers us a 1st round draft pick. Book it!

He has 3 years left at a very VERY reasonable price. And if Shanny doesn't get what he wants (1 1st Rounder) Haynesworth will be right here with US for atleast one more year...if not 2.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ultimately, the game is about winning, so if Albert shows up in shape and starts cracking heads and blowing up the other O, then much of this will be forgiven.

It's no secret I've taken up his side in a lot of these discussions, but I do place a lot of value on team cohesion and wish he'd suck it up and throw in with the other guys.

So much of this hinges on whether he truly is working out hard and going to show up in shape and ready to go, or is he just trying to get out of practice. I'm hoping he's living up to his word. I'd really like to see him busting up the other team's up come Sundays in the fall...

Posted by: edvar | May 10, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

*see Dana Stubblfield
Posted by: westjr88
____________________________________________
Certainly are analogous.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse


Except that AH can actually play.

Stubby could not.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"Regardless of the nature of voluntary practices, he's the ONLY guy not there."

There were a lot of vikings' players and fans who beefed last year when B Favre avoided OTAs and most of summer camp.

Then he showed up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, or atleast a 1st rounder next year. No way I give him up just for one 2nd rounder, especially since the D line will potentially be really crappy, old, and injury prone. I can see a team like the Titans or Vikings doing this given their situation.

Posted by: ga8085 | May 10, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Either way, AH is not the end all be all of DLinemen, and is very replaceable at this point.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse


Not sure if the Titans entirely agree with the "replaceable" part...

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

CL, how is AH in the Skins DT Hall of Shame? He had a pretty good season last year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 10, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The Pee-Wee Herman zingers are really lame...

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:34 AM

And you're the arbiter of lame? Lame -- in any era -- is your Custer's Last Stand defense of AH in the face of criticism by his coaches and teammates. Just ignore all the facts and live in your fantasy world of "exceptions for the uber-talented" and "scare tactics from Philip Daniels." When you're in a hole, stop digging. Quit while you're behind.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Sure before his big payday he played with a ton of passion and desire to win, which awarded him pro-bowl selections.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 9:44 AM


I think you mean "he played with a ton of passion and desire to GET PAID".

Agree with the rest though...I'd take a guy with less talent and better attitude/higher motor, especially in this defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

But I do agree that he should be there with everyone else. Really, there isn't a reason that he shouldn't.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 9:31 AM

DMac, the sudden 'leader' of the REdskins (not to knock JC8) is even here, though he NEVER goes to these mini-camps....because he understands the situation.

Tom Brady on the other hand, does not go to these things anymore because he has been in the same system for damn near 10 years....it's about production at his age and state.....

And Haynesworth should be here because he is in the same boat as everyone else as far learning a new system. They all want to win NOW.....

**Fingers crossed Haynesworth proves everyone wrong and produces as a 3-4 DE**

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey 4th Floor, would you still take your wonderboy Cushing over Orakpo now? LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | May 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Based on what he's done with the 'skins, I never understood the DHall hate from Redskins fans.

He's been a player since he's been here. And weak secondary or not; he's the best CB on the roster.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse


The haters would like to think that the 8 games he played in Oakland encompasses his entire career.

Interestingly enough the Carlos Rogers Bandwagon would also like to think that the 8 games he played well in 2008 encompasses his entire career.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

He's a detriment. Maybe Minny would take him for a 2nd rounder. Thanks alot Vinny, You and Dan reached for the stars with this one. Idiots.

Posted by: ridgely1 | May 10, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

he CAN be benched. might be, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 10, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

You typed a fistful there 4th, cosign.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

K-State's Banks facing two charges

Riley County police Lt. Herb Crosby said the arrest came early Sunday morning after a man was involved in a dispute with a woman in her mid-20s who lives at the same residence in the 400 block of North 17th Street in Manhattan, Kan. Banks was released from jail later in the day after posting bonds totaling $2,500.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

There were a lot of vikings' players and fans who beefed last year when B Favre avoided OTAs and most of summer camp.

Then he showed up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:47 AM

This is where I'm at also. All will be forgiven by his teammates and the FO if AH shows up in June in shape a ready to ball. IF he's not ready to play, then I'll join the ranks to move on without him. Until then, it really doesn't matter if he makes the participation 100% or not and send a positive message. The message sent will be when/if he's here for the mandatory stuff in shape and ready to play.

Posted by: TWISI | May 10, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

There were a lot of vikings' players and fans who beefed last year when B Favre avoided OTAs and most of summer camp.

Then he showed up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 9:47 AM


You're also referring to a team with a milquetoast coach and a roster void of only a QB (before Favre came along). The Redskins are not so fortunate.

We have a disciplinarian as a coach and a roster with more than a few holes. If we're to overcome the deficiencies on the roster, we have to operate as a unit where the sum of the parts is better than individual pieces. Your chances of that expand exponentially if little things like 100% participation in the offseason program and hard working overachievers moving to the forefront are the highlighting your offseason instead of talented underachievers doing the bare minimum and resting on their laurels on the heels of a 4-12 sh*tshow.

Plus you have to take into account that the Redskins have been in dire need of a culture change. This is probably part of it. Get the "doing only what I have to do" segment of the locker room outta here and purging the ridiculous sense of entitlement for doing nothing. I'll take a less talent but committed roster over a talented one that's only in town to collect a big check.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"CL, how is AH in the Skins DT Hall of Shame? He had a pretty good season last year.

Posted by: learnedhand1

LH-

DT Hall of Shame is more about the diva, high stress, high pay team hostage taking not on the field play...Gilbert and Gardner had monster years on field too (Gardner 1 year>AH 1 year) but they bring a gargantuan amount of headache.

Seems like whenever we get one of these premiere dudes, its a nightmare.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

K-State's Banks facing two charges

Riley County police Lt. Herb Crosby said the arrest came early Sunday morning after a man was involved in a dispute with a woman in her mid-20s who lives at the same residence in the 400 block of North 17th Street in Manhattan, Kan. Banks was released from jail later in the day after posting bonds totaling $2,500.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 9:56 AM

thought he was a speedster... didn't run away fast enough, I guess.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:34 AM

And you're the arbiter of lame? Lame -- in any era -- is your Custer's Last Stand defense of AH in the face of criticism by his coaches and teammates. Just ignore all the facts and live in your fantasy world of "exceptions for the uber-talented" and "scare tactics from Philip Daniels." When you're in a hole, stop digging. Quit while you're behind.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse


Sorry beep-beep.

I'll snap back into reality and out of my fantasy world.

*My comments about AH are equal to Custer's last Stand - perfect analogy.

*AH is NOT talented. He's one of the least talented DTs in the game.

*The Skins are NOT allowing AH to sit out these voluntary sessions. They are NOT making any exceptions for him. In fact they are in the process of cutting him right now as punishment for skipping the OTAs.

*Also, Pee-Wee Herman taunts are REALLY funny.

There...now we are on the same wavelength of reality.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Plenty of players miss optionals, Moss and Portis in recent history come to mind, and they played stellar despite same criticism thats being hurled now..Moe's right, lets get some return on the investment, be patient..And Portis-haters should note, Clinton is just 880 yards away from breaking Riggo's Redskins All-Time Rushing Record..Course, you all woulda been calling for Big John's holdout head ,too, back in the day...

Posted by: frak | May 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey 4th Floor, would you still take your wonderboy Cushing over Orakpo now? LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | May 10, 2010 9:52 AM

I addressed the situation on Friday....

To me, hindsight is 50/50 (Famous Spurrier qoute).....I said what I said and don't take it back...

Juliuis Peppers was also suspended for 4 games due for testing positive for performance enhancing substances when he was Def ROY....He turned out to have a great carreer.....

The good thing is they will be w/o him when they come to FedEx Field....The bad thing is they will be w/o him when they go to Cowgirls Stadium....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Favre wasn't under contract with Minny last year so it's not the same. I hope Fatsworth gets in shape and plays well because ultimately that will help the Redskins if he is still here. I can't root for the guy though. He's a piece of sh*t.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

To me, hindsight is 50/50

I thought Gardner, Rod was 50/50??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The haters would like to think that the 8 games he played in Oakland encompasses his entire career.

Interestingly enough the Carlos Rogers Bandwagon would also like to think that the 8 games he played well in 2008 encompasses his entire career.

Posted by: p1funk | May 10, 2010 9:53 AM


Just like you like to think that AH's two contract seasons in '07 and '08 encompasses his whole career. Just sayin'...

I do agree with your overall point on DHall though. His man-to-man coverage has never been his problem...it's his play in zone and against the run that sucks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I think AH is a labor leader in this last year of the CBA.

He is fulfilling his end of the contract he signed while all the rest of the team rolls over to perform like trained seals hoping for an extra fish.

Yeah, thats the ticket.

Seriously you folks who are buying into this AH is gonna be months behind and never catch up to the new scheme crap are stupid. Its football, not nuclear physics. His position coach will get him up to speed when the time comes. His deal does not include an off season workout clause. The guy likes to tool around the lake in a boat that goes really really fast. Not my thing, but it works for him. What is the point of being twenty something and extremely rich if you cant do what you like to do in the supposed off season?

He will be here for mando camp and we will get the reports as to whether he is fit or not. If he comes in out of shape, i will eat the crow served cold.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The haters would like to think that the 8 games he played in Oakland encompasses his entire career.

Interestingly enough the Carlos Rogers Bandwagon would also like to think that the 8 games he played well in 2008 encompasses his entire career.

Posted by: p1funk


lol, too true...


People like to knock Hall's tackling but aside from the Delhomme attempted tackle that resulted in epic fail, from what I saw he was a decent tackler last season.


The Delhomme tackle, or lack thereof, is the only example people can give when talking about his "poor" tackling technique.

And the dude plays CB, he's not suppose to have the tackling ability of London Fletcher out there.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I honestly thought that was a snippet regarding difficulties in Kansas financial institutions!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 10:00 AM

But what has he done other than not appear for "voluntary" workouts? When the rounds are live and he does not perform, then people can legitimately sjk on him all they want about this. Right now, however, this is only an issue because this outlet has chosen to make it one. I don't really care. Excluding the wifey, nobody dictates how I spend my free time.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Please,,Trade him to the Raiders !

Posted by: dashriprock | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

and new blog term is birthed...."Mando Camp"

nice work Skinsfanin!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

This is where I'm at also. All will be forgiven by his teammates and the FO if AH shows up in June in shape a ready to ball. IF he's not ready to play, then I'll join the ranks to move on without him. Until then, it really doesn't matter if he makes the participation 100% or not and send a positive message. The message sent will be when/if he's here for the mandatory stuff in shape and ready to play.
Posted by: TWISI | May 10, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


Me too. While I think that AH should be at the park, as long as he comes to the mandatory stuff (1 OTA and of course training camp) IN SHAPE, I look forward to seeing how he plays in the new defense. He’s good enough to make the team….they have picked up plenty of guys after training camps start (due to injuries/needs) and it usually isn’t any sort of chemistry detriments unless you are playing on the OL. Like someone said, if he shows up out of shape or is not playing well, he gets benched….I agree that they shouldn’t trade him for anything less than two 2nd rounders, and it doesn’t sound like they are getting many offers. Sean Taylor skipped a lot of this stuff too…..IMO there is too much potential for high reward to write this guy off or get rid of him for not much of a return. If he beasts out, which is highly likely, all will be forgotten. And I for one don’t really give a hoot if he is “flopping around, sucking wind howling in pain” or whatever between plays until the refs start penalizing him for it.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:09 AM

Example two: Mario Manningham.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:08 AM

Co-sign like a mothersjker.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 10, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"But what has he done other than not appear for "voluntary" workouts? When the rounds are live and he does not perform, then people can legitimately sjk on him all they want about this. Right now, however, this is only an issue because this outlet has chosen to make it one. I don't really care. Excluding the wifey, nobody dictates how I spend my free time.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Yeah I get thats a way to look at it, we'll see....when its said and done I am pretty sure he is going to fit very nicely along Stubble/Gardner and Gilbert....

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:09 AM

Example two: Mario Manningham.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM

I'll throw in Michael Turner..but that's it because I like what Hall has done so far as a Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | May 10, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Excluding the wifey, nobody dictates how I spend my free time.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Is wifey available for part time work?Redskins FO (Offseason). Job title: Player Persuader

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Seriously you folks who are buying into this AH is gonna be months behind and never catch up to the new scheme crap are stupid. Its football, not nuclear physics. His position coach will get him up to speed when the time comes.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:08 AM


Again...this isn't about X's and O's. That you can pick up on the fly as a vet. The issue here is building on-field chemistry with the guys he's going to line up with. The idea is to start that process in May and June, not the first day of training camp. If everyone else is on Step 4 and you're just learning Step 1, that doesn't help anybody--especially when there wasn't a good reason to not be there.

This is not about AH's rights as a player or his ability to pick up a new defense. It's about proving himself to his coaches and his teammates.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

No...F his agent! Tell your client to come and learn the new system!
Posted by: 4thFloor
____________________________________________
AH has been in the league how many years now?
He needs his agent to tell him to come?
If AH really WANTED to be at Minicamp, he would have been in attendance.
Let's encourage some personal responsibility for ones own actions, good grief!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I am pro D-Hall (if anyone is keeping score)

Dude is a bit feast or famine....but he can change a game with his INTs.

I think he can benefit from the scheme change some as well...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor skipped a lot of this stuff too…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM

Good point, because he suddenly got a lot better once he stopped skipping it. But, even when he skipped it he was in shape.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

K-State's Banks facing two charges

Riley County police Lt. Herb Crosby said the arrest came early Sunday morning after a man was involved in a dispute with a woman in her mid-20s who lives at the same residence in the 400 block of North 17th Street in Manhattan, Kan. Banks was released from jail later in the day after posting bonds totaling $2,500.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 9:56 AM

thought he was a speedster... didn't run away fast enough, I guess.


He will be fine..will fit in with some of the other bad boys..The Skins need a player with experience in running away fast.

Posted by: carlhimmelright | May 10, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

lol @ the "examples" coming out the woodwork now....


I was watching The 10 best receiver tandems on NFLN over the weekend.

One CB I saw whiffing on tackles was "Bishop" Darrell Green.

Those "examples" you guys cited lh and TWISI were form earlier in the season. Hall definitely improved as the season went on.

Not saying that Hall = Green


But cue the hyperbole anyway in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

^^^Agents are like parents of kids stars....they want to parent their kids, but the parents don't want to get fired and lose all their $$ their making...

All I'm saying is, the agent should persaude AH to show up for the voluntary stuff just this 'one season' so he can build unity with the new coaching staff....he can train where ever he is....but come up for these mini-camps and a few OTAs...

....Not sit out and cross fingers he'll get traded....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"The Delhomme tackle, or lack thereof, is the only example people can give when talking about his "poor" tackling technique.

Posted by: RedDMV"

There's a little more than that.

Manningham WR screen that went for a TD in week 1.

DeSean Jackson endaround/reverse that went for a TD in one of the Eagles games.

And those are just missed tackles. It's also very rare that you will see Hall ever make a play in regards to tackling - i.e. shedding a block and delivering a hit, producing a hit that makes a receiver think twice about entering his zone, forcing a fumble with a hit, jarring a reception loose with a hit, etc.

Hall is, at best, a mediocre tackler. And the prevailing thought that he's a CB so he doesn't have to tackle properly is silly. Watch Champ Bailey, Antoine Winfield, Charles Woodson, Shawn Springs (in his prime), or Nnamdi Asomugha. All these guys deliver blows.

Hall is still a great cover guy with exceptional ball skills, but he can't hit well and he has trouble wrapping up properly.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Dayum Red - You must have a great weekend....I'm agreeing 100% on everything you been putting uphere....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

re: Haynesworth


He's in a no-win situation now.

Guaranteed if Haynesworth comes in, shuts his mouth and plays the NT like a pro-bowler but ends up with 2 sacks, you'll still have people jumping on here calling him a fat @ss overpaid bust.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

So if today's lead thread is about Haynesworth, what might the second be?:


a. Marko Mitchell's progress s a lion

b. Jason Campbell's thoughts about JaMarcus Russell's release

c. Leigh Torrence's thoughts about Albert Haynesworth not coming to voluntary practices

d. Lavar Arrington is upset that Lawrence Taylor gets arrested for stuff he'd rather be doing.

e. all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor skipped a lot of this stuff too…..
Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:11 AM
Good point, because he suddenly got a lot better once he stopped skipping it. But, even when he skipped it he was in shape.
Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 10:21 AM |

And I thought that he should have been at the park when he was skipping the workouts, just like I think AH should be there. Read my whole post. Apparently you think that they should have traded him though (Taylor) because it was destroying the team chemistry. My point is that it isn’t the end of the world. While yes, it MAY hurt team chemistry, you can’t assume that it will assuredly detriment his play or how he gets along with the teammates.

What’s really funny is that a bunch of folks who are always so critical of JReid for posting this stuff or making it up are buying into this stuff whole heartedly.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Except that AH can actually play.
Stubby could not.
Posted by: p1funk
__________________________________________
While w/ the 49ers he had seasons of 10.5, 8.5 and 15.0 sacks.
With the Skins? 1.5 sacks in '98 but hey, I am merciful, he was injured and only played in 7 games.
However in 99 and 2000 he played in 16 and 15 games recording 3.0 and 2.5 sacks.

He made the huge bucks and his production dropped off dramatically.
He was never the same, never recovered.
6 Years 36 million Dollars in 1998
Huge $$

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

If everyone else is on Step 4 and you're just learning Step 1, that doesn't help anybody--especially when there wasn't a good reason to not be there.


Step one step four??? Please. See my football does not equal nuclear physics post. There are only 5 positions max he will have to learn. (DE2, DT2, NT) Again, his position coach will get him coached, and by all accounts, AH is a very bright football mind.

He has a great reason to not be here. Several, even.

He came last year and the workout regime was crap compared to the work he did in prior years with his personal trainer. And yeah, i know that old crew got fired and a new team brought in, but that ship already sailed in AH's mind.

He likes hanging in Tennessee doing his country boy thing.

He didn't feel like volunteering, his alma mater team nick name notwithstanding.

He aint a beeyotch, and at this juncture, he would perceive himself as one were he to cave now and come in before mando camp.

And last but not least consider this: AH is building internal pressure on himself to ball balls out to prove all the haters wrong.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Let's encourage some personal responsibility for ones own actions, good grief!

Posted by: RedskinRay1

Removing the right or wrong factor, responsibility is all about what you feel responsible for, simple as that.


Shanahan discussed his offseason plans with Haynesworth, and the two came to an agreement that would allow Haynesworth to get in his offseason workouts away from Redskins Park. So based on that, Haynesworth doesn't feel that it's his responsibility to be there.

Again, it's as simple as that.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Guaranteed if Haynesworth comes in, shuts his mouth and plays the NT like a pro-bowler but ends up with 2 sacks, you'll still have people jumping on here calling him a fat @ss overpaid bust.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 10:32 AM

"If he comes in"? Well, you're wrong, but we'll never really know, will we?

No one has criticized him for running his mouth -- he hasn't done that.

NT is not the issue, because most signs say he'll line up most snaps @ DE.

The issue which you don't mention that's led to disgust with him up here is that he isn't in proper condition to play in the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Its never as "Simple as that".....

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson endaround/reverse that went for a TD in one of the Eagles games.

By: PSPs

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Come on maaan....Why people keep blaming DHall for that ish??

It was ran to CR22's side....DHall was running from the whole otha side of the field on almost caught him....That's what I thought you called 'A' for Effort??????

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"Good point, because he suddenly got a lot better once he stopped skipping it. But, even when he skipped it he was in shape.

Posted by: beep-beep"

Interesting observation.

Of course it doesn't take into account that Haynesworth suddenly became a lot better (to the point of being called the best defensive player in the league two years running) by doing exactly what he's doing now, and that him entering the season out of shape and underperforming coincided with his participation in offseason activities last year, but it is an interesting observation nonetheless.

To this I say "to each his own." Come in ready to roll, and I'm all for Haynesworth spending the offseason with his personal trainer.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

stubby in SF = next to bryant young

Posted by: merajc86 | May 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"The issue which you don't mention that's led to disgust with him up here is that he isn't in proper condition to play in the NFL."


You'd have a stronger point but for the fact that his conditioning wasn't an issue while he was a titan.

And he's said he'd rather train with his own people so he can play like he did then: a the guy was an all out monstah.

Y'all need to chill with this noise as you know like I do, the players will forgive, forget, and move on.

Especially if he shows up ready to be a monstah all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

'"If he comes in"? Well, you're wrong, but we'll never really know, will we?'

What, you're expecting him to hold out?

And the issue that everyone fails to mention regarding Haynesworth is that he wasn't in condition last year -- because he was in offseason workouts over here.

The two years prior, when he was an all-pro, came with him working out on his own with his personal trainer. Exactly what he's doing now.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfOdvXgRp8c&feature=related

2:00 mark....You may not notice CR22 because he was getting sooo cleanly blocked waaay down the field.....And the CR22 'helped' him into the endzone...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

What’s really funny is that a bunch of folks who are always so critical of JReid for posting this stuff or making it up are buying into this stuff whole heartedly.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:35 AM |

Well, that would be funny. And it would be wrong. I think we're not persuaded by any of Reid's crap but rather by the stuff in Mike Wise's column this morning:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html

When a player's on the wrong side of his coaches and his teammates, then he's out of step -- not the coaches and not the teammates.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing about playing D/T that's going to require one to stay up late. This team is not practicing anything that a player of his time in the league hasn't seen or done. It will be good when Albert Haynesworth is no longer the lead story for any Redskin conversation.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | May 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

What gong would j reid be auto banging if AH was attending the voluntary workouts?

I'm guessing "the 3rd year receivers to be are in desperate danger of being busts".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

AH is building internal pressure on himself to ball balls out to prove all the haters wrong.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The cock of the walk, baby!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

alex35332,

You obviously have never set foot in Ashburn nor did your research before saying Ashburn is "awful". I just wonder how you came up with that dumb adjective. If it was awful Shanny would've certainly moved it. It's no wonder almost all of the Redskins players want to live here. I see them all the time. I don't think they'd mind a longer drive if it was an "awful" place to live. Just come and drive around, you'll see why people love it here.

Posted by: harbirsingh | May 10, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Maybe in your world cl.

I'm willing to bet that William of Ockham would disagree with you.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

EVEN BETTER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di4euhbD07w&feature=related

Starting at the 0:22 mark....The Overhead replay CLEARLY shows DHall on the other side of the field. ANd CLEARLY shows CR22 RUNNING damn near 30 yards down field and then getting blocked downfield an addtional 20 yards......

If anyone is to blame...it would be CR22 AND LL30.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, that would be funny. And it would be wrong. I think we're not persuaded by any of Reid's crap but rather by the stuff in Mike Wise's column this morning:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html
When a player's on the wrong side of his coaches and his teammates, then he's out of step -- not the coaches and not the teammates.
Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 10:47 AM |

No, it isn’t wrong. You are one of the people up here who “call out” JReid for how many AH posts he puts up, AND you are one of the folks who are buying into how bad it’s "hurting the team". I don’t care who “persuaded” you…..

Why do I have to explain everything to you? By the way Thinker_ is still waiting for you to get back to him…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Didn't he invent the razor?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I kinda sympathize with AH, even at tackle in a 4-3, he was getting double, even triple-teamed..That'd wear any Hercules out pretty quickly. Haynesworth knows he'll be carrying even more of a load at nose tackle, so he's grudging against it..Maybe if he got some Crimson Assurance that he'll be rotated more frequently , he'd be more down with the plan..Just sayin'..

Posted by: frak | May 10, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Right or wrong, AH is a distraction.

A distraction that could have been avoided if he chose to.

To me, based on his track record, working out by himself doesn't scream a desire to get that much better. It screams laziness and petulance.

Keep in mind this is the guy that pretty much came off the field every game he played last year with an "injury", only to take a breather and get back in later.

He might have made an agreement with Shanny, but Shanny still wants him there. You think Shanny would have made the same agreement for Sean Ryan or Kareem Moore? Its leniency that he is extending to one of his most talented players.

Most talented, not BEST player.

Look, it's AH's right to not be there. But in many people's minds - teammates, coaches, fans - he SHOULD be there. One because of his $$, two because hes one of the most talented guys, three because of the good of the team.

It's something he should be doing and NOT doing it makes him something of a bad teammate.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Dayum Red - You must have a great weekend....I'm agreeing 100% on everything you been putting uphere....

Posted by: 4thFloor

It was Mother's Day yesterday.


Y'all know how I feel about Mothers....

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Of course it doesn't take into account that Haynesworth suddenly became a lot better (to the point of being called the best defensive player in the league two years running) by doing exactly what he's doing now, and that him entering the season out of shape and underperforming coincided with his participation in offseason activities last year, but it is an interesting observation nonetheless.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 10:41 AM

So he went from D player of the year to, what? Middle of the pack? Well short of Pro Bowl?

His underperforming coincided with a lot of factors: not in football condition, $100 million contract, being asked to learn a new defense, and playing for a D Line coach he hated. All of this is about his attitude, which seems only to be getting worse.

Hard to see how doing more of what he did last year in another new D and with a bunch of players he doesn't know will return him to D player of the year.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Step one step four??? Please. See my football does not equal nuclear physics post. There are only 5 positions max he will have to learn. (DE2, DT2, NT) Again, his position coach will get him coached, and by all accounts, AH is a very bright football mind.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 10:36 AM


I saw your post...and apparently, you need to reread mine. Again, it's not about the X's and O's, it's about learning to play effectively within the defense with the guys on the field.

Several things wrong with your, um, several things:

"He came last year and the workout regime was crap compared to the work he did in prior years with his personal trainer. And yeah, i know that old crew got fired and a new team brought in, but that ship already sailed in AH's mind."

Absolutely no bearing on dealing with the new regime. If anything, he's got MORE reason to be here since he's got to make an impression on the new coach, not the other way around.

"He likes hanging in Tennessee doing his country boy thing."

Considering he's from the Carolinas, I have no idea what you're talking about.

"He didn't feel like volunteering, his alma mater team nick name notwithstanding."

They're not working at a soup kitchen, they're playing football. A game he supposedly loves. He's not doing anybody any favors here, he should be here to help himself and his teammates.

"He aint a beeyotch, and at this juncture, he would perceive himself as one were he to cave now and come in before mando camp."

See Chappelle Show reruns of the "Keepin' It Real" skits. Sometimes "Keepin' It Real" backfires badly.

"And last but not least consider this: AH is building internal pressure on himself to ball balls out to prove all the haters wrong."

Completely laughable. This has NEVER happened at the pro level with this guy. The only two years he was a dominant player who "proved all the haters wrong" was when he was in the last year of his contract in both '07 and '08. If he had a rep for being a self-motivated doer, he'd still be a Titan.

I have yet to hear an AH supporter give me a valid reason why the vast majority of this guy's impact came in contract years. And why they believe that now that he's paid, they think he'll revisit that level of dominance after a lackluster first year in Washington.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Wow Red getting all medieval metaphysical on us. Although I would guess ole' Billy de Ockham would suggest you are conflating conjecture with logic.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

4th, there is no "one player to blame" on that play.

Rogers didn't shed his block. Landry didn't take the proper angle. Hall lost his man in the backfield then got beat in the open field (and yes, it was his man). They are all to blame.

Just because someone else also messed up doesn't exonerate Hall's poor ability to pursue and wrap up in the open field.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

There is a reason that new coaches get extra OTAs and mini-camps, and that is because when installing new stuff, it takes a while to learn and adjust. AH is going to have to go to night school just to catch up, but there are no make-ups for missing practice time.

Posted by: Ireland2 | May 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

4th, are you surprised that psps23 would dump on Hall if it made Carlos Rogers look positive?


psps23, still think that Bush has much of an impact as Mario Williams?


Mario Williams = TWO TIME NFL all-pro
Reggie Bush = TWO TIME Kimmy K dumpee

Mario Williams = Real Deal
Reggie Bush = Flash in a pan

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Why do I have to explain everything to you? By the way Thinker_ is still waiting for you to get back to him…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 10:55 AM

You don't. You haven't been able to explain anything to anyone. And you're carrying Thinker's water for him now? Pitiful.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

tru, tru, cl...


Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

^^^I agree...everyone is to blame...but I disagree about it being 'his' (DHall) man...Depending on the coverage, if the receiver goes in a reverse in the backfield, he doesn't necceasrily follow him. Because he would then have to watch for the double reverse or another receiver coming into his 'area' on a pass pattern.

LL30 took a terrible angle and the DE on CR22 side didn't keep contain. But WTF was CR22 running 30 yards down the field????

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

D. Hall needs to tackle better, bottom line. He's not a shut down corner like Prime Time was for that to be excusable.

Posted by: ga8085 | May 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Just come and drive around, you'll see why people love it here.

Posted by: harbirsingh | May 10, 2010 10:52 AM

Ssshhhh!! Traffic is bad enough already. Everyone stay away from Ashburn ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Its strange how folks are battling over pure opinion. Why are people that are frustrated with AH "pissers and moaners"? The guy is not attending voluntarys, which is his right. And if he was with the Titans still, its not even news. But he is in his second yr. with a new coaching staff installing a new D. I would think we would all agree it would be MORE beneficial if he was there, than not, NO?

Anyway, I guess I'm old school about being a fan. I dont look at an individuals "right" to do something in a TEAM sport.

I am a Skins fan. If a player is not on that bus, F'em, I got nothing for ya...

Posted by: Club320 | May 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

You don't. You haven't been able to explain anything to anyone. And you're carrying Thinker's water for him now? Pitiful.
Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 11:08 AM

You are one ignorant SOB aren’t you? You just don’t know when to stop.

Look, the grownups are trying to have a conversation…..how about you shut the fvck up for once? Nobody wants to hear from you except Thinker_ and you’re too chicken shti to engage him.

Better yet, how about you maybe take one whole day off from posting up here? I know it would be torture for you, but we all sure would enjoy it. Let us know ahead of time so we can all bring beer and food. We can call it an RI holiday and do it every year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Mario Williams = TWO TIME NFL all-pro
Reggie Bush = TWO TIME Kimmy K dumpee

Mario Williams = Real Deal
Reggie Bush = Flash in a pan

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Reggie Bush = Super Bowl champ, 2 time NFC title contestant, top 5 offense every year since entering the league.

Mario Williams = 0 playoff contestant, one season with a record over .500, zero top 10 defenses, and all this despite having one of the top offenses in the league for years running

I'm sure the Saints are happy with the path they've taken to get to the Super Bowl, starting with the offseason of selecting Reggie Bush.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Again, it's as simple as that.
Posted by: RedDMV ________________________________________
You're serious aren't you.
While introducing a new system, new FO, new coaching staff, they all think it is ok for AH to be absent. Simple as that?

You're naive.
Chris Larry is right; it is never as simple as that.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Better yet, how about you maybe take one whole day off from posting up here? I know it would be torture for you, but we all sure would enjoy it. Let us know ahead of time so we can all bring beer and food. We can call it an RI holiday and do it every year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 11:16 AM

Ha, ha! You're the one who's gone vulgar and personal. I'm thinking you might be the one who needs the day off.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I want a taser. Just seen one with a beam on it I'm thinking about buying.

They're really popular these days.

Do you need a licence for those?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow Brownwood. Chappelle? I thought that dude went nuts in s africa or something.

AH is from S Carolina.... and has moved on to the greener pastures he perceives in Tennessee. This occurred multiple years ago. Maybe you were watching chapelle reruns and missed it.

Here is my bottom line: AH said he wasn't coming. He didn't come. Shanahan said he wanted him here, but respects him for having a sit down to ensure there are no misunderstandings. This was news months ago and was rightly reported.

Ever since then, its been jreid's personal story du jour because he is apparently too lazy or too inept to come up with anything else to "report".

Meanwhile, half of hamster nation is doing maalox shooters to keep their guts from spinning out of control because AH isn't in Ashburn this offseason. Its stupid in its entirety.

And speaking of team unity and who has who's back, who was the first guy into the mix each and every time there was a dust up? Atlanta sideline and 'ginas at home for those who need a reminder.

WHEN AH shows up out of shape and WHEN AH blows a coverage or stunt and WHEN AH doesnt get it done on the field when it counts, I will be raging agsint his lack of participation and failure to give enough effort.

Until then, this panty waisted bunge fest is simply that.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, we're all going to get laid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21xtdoiJoM&feature=related

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we all are getting a little cranky and upset?
Perhaps we all need to take a day off from RI?

:)

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I thought they went to the SB inspite of Bush not fulfilling expectations?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Do you need a licence for those?


Yeah, you can probably download the permit form, from the local PD website....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"LL30 took a terrible angle and the DE on CR22 side didn't keep contain. But WTF was CR22 running 30 yards down the field????

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Rogers got the sjk blocked out of him on that play. Also inexcusable. That was an ugly play all around.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth in danger of falling way behind:"

So the day and week begins with the dead horse taking another beating.

Gotta a better idea:

Does anyone know if any of the undrafted types or invited stood out?

What does Artis Hicks look like as a starting right tackle?

What of Selvish Capers? The Cook fellow?

Does T Austin look like a potential burner?

I mean, if the camp that just passed is as important as folks say, there has to more to report about it other than that Albert Haynesworth wasn't there.

Unless, of course, the WaPo sent people there with the singular desire to make a story out of what wasn't there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Reggie Bush = Super Bowl champ, 2 time NFC title contestant, top 5 offense every year since entering the league.

Mario Williams = 0 playoff contestant, one season with a record over .500, zero top 10 defenses, and all this despite having one of the top offenses in the league for years running

I'm sure the Saints are happy with the path they've taken to get to the Super Bowl, starting with the offseason of selecting Reggie Bush.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Using team statistics to compare individual players is pointless.

Reggie's not even the best player at his position on the Saints.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"I thought they went to the SB inspite of Bush not fulfilling expectations?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Bush lit up the Cardinals in New Orleans for the first game of the playoffs. He was their x-factor. Something tells me if NO thought of Bush as a non-factor or disappointment, they'd have cut him loose this offseason (like some talking heads thought they should have).

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Unless, of course, the WaPo sent people there with the singular desire to make a story out of what wasn't there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 11:27 AM

Not a big fan of WaPo reporting on the Redskins, but most of the practices are closed to reporters so the people who can answer your questions are the coaching staff and, for obvious reasons, they ain't talking.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we all are getting a little cranky and upset?
Perhaps we all need to take a day off from RI?

:)

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 11:22 AM

Nothing worse than cranky hamsters. They'll be knocking over their wheels, pissing thru the cage bars, etc.
Ugly, I tell you, ugly.

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

You're naive.
Chris Larry is right; it is never as simple as that.

Posted by: RedskinRay1

"naive"? lol...smdh

I'm so not in the mood for that stupid sh*t today... but if I decide to air your ass out, just know you threw the first shot, m-kay?

If you actually read what I said, I was talking about from Haynesworth's stand point.

And with him it is that simple.

Haynesworth talked to Shanahan about his offseason plans. They came to an agreement that would let Haynesworth workout away from Ashburn.

So therefor, Haynesworth feels that he doesn't have to be there because he got permission from the head coach to work out on his own -- THEREFOR he doesn't feel responsible.

Strictly from the fact that Haynesworth has Shanahan's permission to do this, what exactly is it that you don't understand?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Capers? Cook? Austin??? Who are these names you speak of Mista?


Maybe thatboyphil can mention them to the mathematician the next time he pimps him for some more ah non news.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

with a beam

lets call that a 'laser sight' going forwards...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

What of Selvish Capers? The Cook fellow?

Does T Austin look like a potential burner?

I mean, if the camp that just passed is as important as folks say, there has to more to report about it other than that Albert Haynesworth wasn't there.

Unless, of course, the WaPo sent people there with the singular desire to make a story out of what wasn't there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Capers was rated high and Cook is like 6'6" and 320. I'm excited about those two picks. I think they have good upside with work.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Using team statistics to compare individual players is pointless.

Reggie's not even the best player at his position on the Saints.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8"

How is that pointless? It puts everything in context.

And nobody else on the Saints plays Reggie's position. He's not a running back. He's, when healthy, what Percy Harvin is for the Vikings.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

RIP Lena Horne

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Ray, if you are looking to battle with Red today, he has taken a different and refreshing approach and is leaning towards medieval philosophers and mathematicians to bob and weave. I would suggest Leonard Eular as a possible theortical basis for a counter jab.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

There was some chatter that the 2012 4th we got from Oakland for Campbell was conditional to the point of being worthless..Any recon on that??

Posted by: frak | May 10, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

psps23, you're so predictable.

Hey man, I'm talking about Mario Williams and Reggie Bush. Not the Texans and the Saints.

So, who's had more of an impact Bush or Williams? You talk about Bush's game against the Cardinals, well where the hell has he been for the last FOUR years?

When Bush was healthy and averaging less than 4 a clip, Mario Williams was making all-pro teams.

That does it, dude. This really isn't debatable anymore.

I'll take CONSISTENCY over "he'll show up every six games" ANY DAY!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Here is my bottom line: AH said he wasn't coming. He didn't come. Shanahan said he wanted him here, but respects him for having a sit down to ensure there are no misunderstandings. This was news months ago and was rightly reported.

Ever since then, its been jreid's personal story du jour because he is apparently too lazy or too inept to come up with anything else to "report".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 11:21 AM


To be fair, most of what people are saying up here is that AH should be here and it's a poor reflection on him for not being here. Nobody's saying the season is lost or that the D is going to stink because he's screwing it up. All anyone is saying is that it's f-ed up that he's at home while literally everyone else is here sweating to make sure 4-12 doesn't happen again.

And I've never heard JReid say Haynesworth is fat and lazy or whatever the hell else you said. Right or wrong, that's the rap on Haynesworth and it has been for years. That's why he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he says "I'm working out on my own."

Getting over the 4-12 mess from last year should be Job 1 at Redskins Park. And calling AH out for being the only guy to demonstrate otherwise is plenty inbounds, regardless of what you think of him as a player.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

There was some chatter that the 2012 4th we got from Oakland for Campbell was conditional to the point of being worthless..Any recon on that??
Posted by: frak | May 10, 2010 11:38 AM

Yeah, was this ever actually confirmed (that it was “conditional”)?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

AAAh, Man, not Lena Horne!! I was buying some beer in Adams Morgan about 15 years ago ( hey, it happens), and Lena's sweet self was standing right in front of me in line..I said excuse me for some reason, and she said "Oh , that's no problem, honey" and flashed me a smile..I about melted into the floor..RIP, Lena!!

Posted by: frak | May 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

beans,

more proof that while we live on the same coast, same country, and same planet, we are most definitely from two different worlds. I do know the correct term of the infrared laser sight.

It's like the difference between gun and weapon.


Ever heard of a 'Gat'?
'Toolie'? 'Burner'? 'Heater'? 'The clapper'?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How is that pointless? It puts everything in context.

And nobody else on the Saints plays Reggie's position. He's not a running back. He's, when healthy, what Percy Harvin is for the Vikings.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It's pointless because Reggie isn't the factor that lead the Saints to accomplish those things, just like Mario isn't solely responsible for the Texans d-rankings or number of W/Ls.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Phillip Daniels-

"It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."

"From what I'm told, he can play the end spot," Daniels said. "I've called him and told him that. The thing is, we have 100 percent participation if he is here. It's now 99. He's got to be here."

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ever since then, its been jreid's personal story du jour because he is apparently too lazy or too inept to come up with anything else to "report".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 11:21 AM

To me, what was new, was the stuff in Mike Wise's column quoting several of his teammates about why they think he should be here. Lot of times in situations like this teammates take the attitude "that's between him and the coaches." Not here.

I also hadn't seen, before, this thing that Mike Wise led his column with:

"Albert Haynesworth couldn't stand John Palermo, his defensive line coach last season, and therefore wasn't a big fan of practice. But even teammates could not believe his abject apathy as he sat on the side of the field while they were going through drills on one day last season, when Big Al had another little "owie.""

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

heard of a gat, but not that other stuff...

laser sights on hand guns are the DEAL...shot a 44 mag with a laser sight....wow....fantastic...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The Saints are Drew Brees. Without him they'll suck anteater butthole.

They've played with out Reggie Bush and haven't missed him all that much.

Not Mario Williams fault that it's just him and DeMeco Ryans on 'D'.


Saints live and die with Drew Brees, their offensive line, and Sean Payton's play-calling. Bush is nothing more than a role player in that offense. Totally expendable and totally overrated.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"...but most of the practices are closed to reporters so the people who can answer your questions are the coaching staff and, for obvious reasons, they ain't talking."


But Saturday's pratice was open to the media.

There was a thread where Mr Reid spoke, specifically, about Joey Galloway still having decent to good speed.

So if he saw that, he had to see more.

So why can't we get more about causal observations of players who might be of worth than re-hashing analysis of Albert Haynesworth?

If the practices are as important as folks say, there has to be more going on than guys standing in line to criticize Prince Al?

Shouldn't there be?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Nobody in Tennessee ...where he worked out on his own with the same personal trainer he is he is working with this offseason... called AH fat and lazy. That started up here last year FOLLOWING his offseason participation in the Redskin's program.

jreid calling AH fat and lazy would be refreshingly new. I very seriously doubt that will occur. Rather, he will rehash the same story. AH isnt here. Shanahan wishes he were here(but wants to instead talk about those who are here). AH doesn't want to play NT. Teammates have talked to AH. Teammates are learning things AH will have to learn later.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

heard of a gat, but not that other stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Watch a couple episodes of The Wire and you should be all caught up on the other stuff.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

So sweet beaner and Red making nice over weaponary talk......

Me? I am more of a warhammer/battleaxe/broadsword guy myself.

Any ahole can shoot a guy from 400 yards, but it takes a real man to drive forged steel into the skull of your enemy.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey Red, Hey ChrisLarry,
Red, you've said a couple of times now that AH and MS came to an agreement, that AH would not be here. Yet we read Daniels, Shanahan, Allen wishing he were here.

How about this, would you amend your statement to AH, MS, BA came to an "understanding" that AH would not attend?
That is, MS and BA understand he will not attend, but not that they agree.

Good Day

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Just figured I'd drop in and gloat about being right about Brian Cushing. I forget who was pimping Cushing as the better pick over Orakpo.

Big Al can sit if he's behind. Let him sit. That will do 1 of two things. Either it will motivate him or he'll want out. Both are better options than letting him dictate the terms.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Ever heard of a 'Gat'?
'Toolie'? 'Burner'? 'Heater'? 'The clapper'?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse
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Burner = STD carrying female
Heater = Fastball

Other than that, I'm out.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me if NO thought of Bush as a non-factor or disappointment, they'd have cut him loose this offseason (like some talking heads thought they should have).

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 11:30 AM

They wanted to cut him...but they also wanted to maintain the goodwill of the City...which has been thourgh some unique times over the past 5/6 years......

Bush is not worth the $8mil he'll make this season....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Watch a couple episodes of The Wire and you should be all caught up on the other stuff.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 10, 2010 11:54 AM

Or just listen to a couple Nas songs...

The ratchet, the blinker, the biscuit, the burner...the heat, the toaster, the twister ...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Shot some rounds from a .30-30 rifle this weekend... one of those rounds were to even CLIP you, you're in trouble...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

He is rich & arrogant, which gives him the contracted right to play it his way. Unfortunately, he has no interest to play it Shanahan's way and the bottom line is the fan's get the shaft and he can care less. There is a lot to learn in a new system. Instincts only work so much, practice is key.

Posted by: schultzy | May 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Me? I am more of a warhammer/battleaxe/broadsword guy myself.
Any ahole can shoot a guy from 400 yards, but it takes a real man to drive forged steel into the skull of your enemy.
Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM |

Takes a real nerd to wish he was an elf from Lord of the Rings (I kid, I kid)……and 400 yds is a pretty tough shot.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, did you hear about the British sniper that nailed a Taliban f*** from a MILE AND A HALF away???


That takes mad skills.


Poor terrorist bastard never knew what hit him...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Ever heard of a 'Gat'?
'Toolie'? 'Burner'? 'Heater'? 'The clapper'?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:44 AM


And the 'Nose hair clipper'...

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/113311-policeman-0/

Posted by: 4-12 | May 10, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Takes a real nerd to wish he was an elf from Lord of the Rings (I kid, I kid)…"

Guilty as charged.....

but seriously I was just kidding people...obviously markmenship is a mad skill!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Poor terrorist bastard...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:03 PM

Which one of these three words does not go with the other two?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 10, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"F Haynesworth...he'll be gone soon anyway."

I think so also.

I see him a really high priced paper weight come the fall.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Any ahole can shoot a guy from 400 yards, but it takes a real man to drive forged steel into the skull of your enemy.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse
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Unless the guy with the 400 yard range is doubled over in laughter at your ridiculous attack, you are gonna be an honorable dead man in about 2 seconds.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Ever heard of a 'Gat'?
'Toolie'? 'Burner'? 'Heater'? 'The clapper'?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse
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Burner = STD carrying female
Heater = Fastball

Other than that, I'm out.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"the clapper" cuts lights off and on automatically when you clap your hands, no? Otherwise, that's a pretty nasty connotation. How about, "MR. SPEAKER." HOODLUM CHI McBRIDE, LARRY FISHBURNE

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

RedskinsRay,

Agree to disagree.


(Really that 11:56 just confused the hell out of me).

It's cool.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Shot some rounds from a .30-30 rifle this weekend... one of those rounds were to even CLIP you, you're in trouble...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

That's a kids gun up here. I have a .308. Most of the guys up here use .270 or a .30-06. You can put some nice holes in a deer with those things. You're talking a hole the size of your fist. Now, out guns up here are kids guns in Alaska. They pack some serious firepower up there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | May 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Takes a real nerd to wish he was an elf from Lord of the Rings (I kid, I kid)…"

While I love me some LOTR....I Actually wish I was Conan the Barbarian...total beast who also gets mad, mad azz....Conan and James Bond pull more tail while being bad azz than any two characters in pulp fiction.

...or I would want to be Red Sonya's chain mail bikini...

Ok dorkage over.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"The Clapper" = gonorrhea

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Or just listen to a couple Nas songs..."


Talk about serendipity.

Lyrics from today's track:

"..they shootin'...I made you look...you a victim to a page from my rhymebook..."

NaS, from "God's Son"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Unless the guy with the 400 yard range is doubled over in laughter at your ridiculous attack, you are gonna be an honorable dead man in about 2 seconds.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

yes Mat....duh....thanks for taking me literally....

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

All I need is one mic

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the elves in LOTR use bows and arrows? Same thing as a rifle if you ask me.

F LOTR.

F any movie with elves, for that matter.

(Unless they're making toys, of course)

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Red,
Yes, its cool from here as well.
Was merely saying I think MS and BA "understand" AH feeling he doesn't need to come. But they certainly don't like it, what with all the new material, adjustments needing to be implemented.

Good Day
Switching gears, I'm really hoping for the '65 looking Skins not the those horrible mustard looking pants. How old are you? Remember those?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

RE: 'The Clapper'

Whether talking about a weapon or VD, bottom line is that if you catch it from either one it results in a very bad day for you...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Etrod..wha?

Now I have to respond with an F Etrod!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

MOL... when JReid gets back from lunch, he'll see what you guys are talking about and start a new thread.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"RE: 'The Clapper'

Whether talking about a weapon or VD, bottom line is that if you catch it from either one it results in a very bad day for you...

Posted by: RedDMV

I think we can extend that to the electrical turn on/off devise. I used to hate when I'd ball warm and cozy in bed and try to clap off the TV or light. I could never get it...and would have to get up and do it old school....that siht never worked...always ruining my day.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

from Common,

"...reality's a b!tch and I heard that she bite...I wish I could giveya..dis feelin'....I wish, I wish I could giveya dis feelin'..."

"The Corner"--BE

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Me? I am more of a warhammer/battleaxe/broadsword guy myself.

Any ahole can shoot a guy from 400 yards, but it takes a real man to drive forged steel into the skull of your enemy.

Posted by: chrislarry |

LOL, I agree. I've been itching to get a crossbow myself. But the reloading process could cost me if I miss.

Posted by: ga8085 | May 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsfans, none of those are messing with a .50 cal... f a fist, that joint will tear you in half...


lol RedskinsRay, at 26 I'm way too young to remember those unis. Only change I remember is that they used to play in replica jerseys (screened name and numbers on the jerseys), they used to play with big shoulder pads that may or may not resulted in big sleeves.


I've always been a fan of the gold pants and burgundy jerseys though. As long as they don't wear the spear helmet they'll be straight.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"...reality's a b!tch and I heard that she bite...I wish I could giveya..dis feelin'....I wish, I wish I could giveya dis feelin'..."

"The Corner"--BE

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report
Common sucks, and his new movie coming out looks sucky too

Posted by: ga8085 | May 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

So sweet beaner and Red making nice over weaponary talk......

Me? I am more of a warhammer/battleaxe/broadsword guy myself.

Any ahole can shoot a guy from 400 yards, but it takes a real man to drive forged steel into the skull of your enemy.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 11:56 AM |

There is the whole "knife to a gun fight" problem with that of course cL.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

What's up with all the "Hobbit Hating"?

I love those silly little b@stards!


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Now I have to respond with an F Etrod!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse
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Ok, I get the fantasy theme and all that, but you have to admit the storyline was a little lame. When you get done with the movies, you have to look in the mirror and say, 'wow, I just watched an effeminate hobbit walk for six hours'.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I've always been a fan of the gold pants and burgundy jerseys though. As long as they don't wear the spear helmet they'll be straight.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:25 PM

maybe they should replace the spear with something of slightly larger caliber?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have a moderate amount of skills with a sword myself, but my real skill lies in the longbow. Its part of my whole robin hood fetish, which is also why I am a socialist I think, and it may also be why I have a fondness for entering any given situation via-swinging vine.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

cl, it's an "As Seen On TV" item.

Those things either work half the time, break or malfunction after a few months (in some cases days), or don't work at all.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I will admit nothing!...to each their own mattsound...except that LOTR trilogy has been voted I think book(s) of the century....but whateves...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Life's B!tch and then you Die...That's why we get High...Cuz you never know when you gonna Go!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

cl, it's an "As Seen On TV" item.
Those things either work half the time, break or malfunction after a few months (in some cases days), or don't work at all.
Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:29 PM

But who can forget their “song”? Pure gold:

Clap on!

Clap off!

Clap on-clap off……..the Clapper!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

3 movies of walkin' to a SJKing volcano!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

maybe they should replace the spear with something of slightly larger caliber?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse
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Thirty aught dory?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Red,
Below is the first home uniform I recall as a kid [first memories for me are the 69 Skins]
You don't like the helmet, huh?
I'd actually like the change.
Think it would be neat to go back to this uniform, because it is certainly not outdated.
What do you think of the look?

http://www.theredskinreport.com/2006/02/20/the-top-ten-redskins-wr-seasons-of-all-time/

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

g8085

"Common sucks, and his new movie coming out looks sucky too"


Common sucks?

Now there's point to debate.

Provide a short list of contemporary folks worth listening to, so long as it's someone who can speak clear enough to be understood.

I'll offer:

Drake

T.I.

Kanye West

B.O.B.

Pac Division

Lupe Fiasco

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Common sucks, and his new movie coming out looks sucky too

Posted by: ga8085


WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!


Dude, 'Resurrection'??? 'Like Water For Chocolate'???

No argument about Common the actor though. He should stick to wax.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I will admit nothing!...to each their own mattsound...except that LOTR trilogy has been voted I think book(s) of the century....but whateves...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 10, 2010 12:31 PM

Century ain't that old.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

...but the book(s) is/are epic. Tolkien/C.S. Lewis/Joseph Campbell employing modern & post-modern mythology.

Awesmoe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm in the minority on LOTR but man do I hate it. It started in 6th grade when I had to read The Hobbit. 300 pages of tiny people walking. Exactly what an adolescent boy wants to read about!

I only saw the 1st LOTR movie. That was all I could take. I don't reserve my hatred for Middle Earth, though. F Narnia, F the Golden Compass, F the Gelflings, etc...

Go Skins.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll offer:

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B.O.B.


Posted by: MistaMoe

This man is going to take over hip-hop. Just when I thought the music industry had gone stale, I get word of B.O.B. and have since had my entire faith in this media market restored.

It started when I popped in his mixtape about a year ago, and I haven't looked back since. New album has been recycled on repeat for about a week straight over here.

Posted by: psps23 | May 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

4th, AZ is probably the most underrated rapper ever. Liked that joint "the Essence" from him and NAS tru hip hop heads know about everything from Doe or Die to Aziatic from AZ.


I listen to all hip-hop, and I must stress hip-hop. But every now and then I'll listen to the likes of Gucci Mane, Lil Wayne and so on...


Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: RedDMV | May 10, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Guns are for p_ssies. And clubs and knives are messy. Fist fighting is the only way to go. Unless it's a big job. The I guess poison would be my second choice.

Posted by: mack1 | May 10, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's get his name right, folks. It's Albert Haynesworthless!!

Posted by: ZZZMM | May 10, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Why don't they just send over a ice cream truck to his house with some kind of,"Oh heck Al we're sorry, didn't mean to upset you." card.

Get rid of the bum. Send him packing. Punch his ticket.

Posted by: cosmicbuffalo | May 10, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE hearing from our College Graduates. IDIOTS. HOW (other than being in the NFL) do these people expect to make a living?

Posted by: dah1963 | May 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The Nationals are playing great baseball, and this is all we have to talk about? Albert Haynesworth? Another Vinny Cerrato bust.......overweight, overpriced, not worth talking about, especially in May. This is baseball season. We're not in Alabama where all they have is football. We're in DC, and we have Major League Baseball now!

Posted by: droffman2 | May 10, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@brownwood26 -

Really? You remember Carter having double digit sacks in a Skins uniform? How do you remember something that never happened?

Posted by: keino83 | May 10, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea. We can use him to plug the oil leak until they come up with a better solution. That will be worth $100m and maybe they can get BP to subsidize it, so the team gets some return on its investment!

Posted by: Toochilled | May 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

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