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Haynesworth may want to get out, but will he pay back money to do so?

Speculation has increased in the past few days that Albert Haynesworth might be willing to pay back part of the recent $21 million bonus he received in an effort to help facilitate his exit from Washington, which two people in the organization said he would welcome because of Coach Mike Shanahan's plans to use him as a nose tackle in the team's new 3-4 scheme.

After about 15 years covering major beats, I've learned never to say never, because anything can happen with the size of the egos and money involved in professional sports. But I do not envision Haynesworth repaying any money to the Redskins, who are as eager to send him elsewhere as he is to leave, the sources said.

In one-on-one interviews with Haynesworth during last season, he made it clear to me how proud he was of the record $100 million contract -- that included a then-record $41 million in guaranteed money -- he received from owner Daniel Snyder only hours after the free-agent market opened in February 2009. It wasn't just about the money, Haynesworth told me, it was that Snyder showed confidence in bringing him to Washington, he believed, to play in a 4-3 defense in the same aggressive manner that helped him become a two-time all-pro for the Tennessee Titans. Haynesworth reveled in the status of being the game's highest-paid defensive player, he said, and he believed he earned the contract, which has paid him $32 million in its first 14 months.

Also, if Haynesworth were willing to give back money, why not just come to some agreement with the Redskins before the $21 million was due? With the contract now relatively affordable for every team (he's guaranteed another $9 million and the base salaries average a little more than $5.23 million the next three seasons), Haynesworth likely would have been traded already if another team would not have been on the hook for the bonus on April 1.

Haynesworth has raised Shanahan's ire with everything he has done since Shanahan officially took control of the football operation, including informing Shanahan and Haslett he would rather not play nose tackle and training on his own instead of participating in the voluntary conditioning program at Redskins Park. And if Haynesworth, as expected, does not report for next weekend's voluntary three-day minicamp at Redskins Park (which is very mandatory in Shanahan's mind), it seems the situation would only escalate.

If Haynesworth is not traded by the draft, he'll probably be with the Redskins for the season. My understanding is he definitely would prefer to leave -- but I don't expect him to pay the Redskins to do so.

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By Jason Reid  |  April 10, 2010; 9:54 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Jason Reid  | Tags: Albert Haynesworth, Daniel Snyder, Mike Shanahan, Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins  
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He should pay back 100% of the money he got. Since he refuses to work for it. What a shame all that talent was wasted on such a pathetic person. He will have to take a break while signing the check to the Redskins due to fatigue.

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't just about the money, Haynesworth told me, it was that Snyder showed confidence in bringing him to Washington, he believed, to play in a 4-3 defense in the same aggressive manner that helped him become a two-time all-pro for the Tennessee Titans. Haynesworth reveled in the status of being the game's highest-paid defensive player, he said, and he believed he earned the contract, which has paid him $32 million in its first 14 months.

Not proud enough to not show up for duty wearing a fat suit though? Snyder's confidence meant so much to him, he crapped all over it. He's very talented, and if he were a man that understood responsibility and professionalism, he would make us much better. But, alas, he is not, and the best thing to do would be to send him packing with as much compensation as possible.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth reveled in the status of being the game's highest-paid defensive player, he said, and he believed he earned the contract, which has paid him $32 million in its first 14 months."

This is a great example of this fool. EARNED? You are being paid for what you do now dummy! You should be EARNING that money here you fool. Someone pay's you 41 million dollars you shut up and say yes sir! This is a great example of what kills sports today. People like him. Sure he might be rich the rest of his life but he has to live with being a lazy chump.

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 10, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Man this is stupid. Al you don't control anyone except your self. You must have forgot that NFL stand for Not For Long. Go on take the money and run, Big Al. Awww is he gonna cry next. Heck he's done everything else but cry. The Big Man, the Big Pile of ___________ !

Posted by: butche106 | April 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

This whole fiasco is a great example of ownership totally ruining a team's structure.

Snyder (with his heart in the right place) sought to solve one of the teams biggest needs by getting the best DT in the league. The problem is that to get him here you have to give crazy amounts of up front money to a guy with known attitude issues. You also have to promise to change your entire defensive scheme to accommodate this guy.

So now you've got coaches being forced by ownership to cater to a player that while talented, will only be in 68% of the time. You also have teammates who naturally will resent a guy who is making 5 times what they make and is giving less effort. And finally, the coaches have no leverage to get anything more out of AH, then he is willing to give.

Once again (and hopefully for the last time) Snyder steps in to try and fix things but winds up destroying them. Add to all that the immense pressure that is put on any player who signs a huge free agent deal and you have the disaster that is the whole AH situation. And all of this overshadows the fact that he played very well in year one with the Redskins.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 10, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Still a bunch of unsupported poo flinging.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I count at least 4 suckers who just buy any crap that the WaPo dishes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If we can't trade with Oakland and send them AH, or JC, or both, then who else is a leading candidate? Oakland wants/needs both positions more than another team IMO. Tenn only wants AH back for bottom dollar. I suppose if a QB gets hurt, or a DT, then we'll have more bargaining power so patience may indeed be rewarded.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975
Tell me one word of what I posted that isn't true?

Posted by: Jason10 | April 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Most of what you said is dead on Jason except that the very last part about a disaster situation is based on rampant speculation by a couple of guys who are often wrong. All we truly know is that Hayney is skipping voluntary workouts. Everything else is throwing sh!t against a wall and hoping it sticks. Hayney has said zero to the press about this and Shanny said Hayney is not up for trade, is talented, and he will get the talent out of him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

BIG AL may be his own man, but he's not stupid.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 10, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Jason, when are you going to give this Albert Haynesworth thing a break? Checked in on you yesterday and five of your ten post were about Haynesworth, enough already. Most people are ready to move on to something else, let the Haynesworth saga play itself out for better or worse. Everything that can be said has been, the horse is dead. Albert is no fatter, lazy or just an overall jerk today than he was yesterday.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What did anyone -- including Haynesworth -- think was going to happen? The entire NFL, other than the Redskins and Raiders, knows that guaranteed contracts are dangerous. And for some players they are deadly, especially for players with questionable attitudes and work ethics to start with. So when they gave a giant guarantee to a guy with known conditioning issues, they should have gotten him an easy chair for the plays he was always going to sit out. The worst part of this whole thing is that they could have made workout bonuses part of the guarantee. ANYONE else would have, based on his track record.

As for Albert, he came to a team with a coach already on the hot seat and an older defensive coordinator who was likely going to retire in any case. So he must've known that all bets were off as to what sort of defensive scheme Washington would be using after his first year here. He made a conscious decision to take the money.Now he's whining about it, which goes back to the character issues everyone knew about when he was with Tennessee. Let's just hope he doesn't get too mad and stomp on anyone's face (again).

You get what you pay for, and you get the conditions for which you were paid.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 10, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert won't be giving any money back. He doesn't need to. On the other hand, he is definitely gone. Allen and Shanahan are just looking for the best deal they can get and then they'll dump him. He was a terrible signing in the first place. He's a great player, but if you pay someone that much, they also have to be a team leader, not a team malcontent. Vinny had no idea how to build a TEAM -- he just collected players and hoped that the puzzle fit together.

If they can sign Adams to play RT, and then draft a LT, then they are free to use the draft choices they get from trading Fat Albert and Jason Campbell to stock up on a couple 3-4 LB's and linemen -- and maybe a Shanahan special at RB -- you know a RB in the fifth round or so who turns into an All-Pro.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Good job Reid, plucking away on your one string banjo, though it does look like some think it's music and chime in accordingly.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

At his remaining salary, he's a steal at DT. Shanny needs to find a way to eat crow/save face and keep him.

(Btw, anyone else dream that McNabb went back to Philly?)

I do wish this post from the mayor had some sources.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

At his remaining salary, he's a steal at DT. Shanny needs to find a way to eat crow/save face and keep him.

(Btw, anyone else dream that McNabb went back to Philly?)

I do wish this post from the mayor had some sources.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"training on his own instead of participating in the voluntary conditioning program at Redskins Park."

Yeah, we saw the results of his program last season, when we was sucking wind.

In order for the Redskins to move forward, they must rid the team of selfish turds like him.

Posted by: gatorz | April 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Shut up. That is just made up crap. Albert is not going to give back one penny. Stop being a chump.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | April 10, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

IMO, If Big Al wants to stay let him stay! If Big Al wants to go let him go, but lets not over dramatize the story of AL! If the coach and the player can have a sit down and talk I think this thing could be worked out in a fair manner. In the words of Rodney King-Can`t we all just get along?

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | April 10, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

@WorstSeat

AH doesn't want to play NT. Also, Shanahan can't let a player cross him like this. That's why he's a great coach. That's why Gibbs 1.0 was a great coach. You have to rule the football team, not let the lazy players run it. Get the best deal you can and move him out.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Here's a little Psychology 101:

Take an insecure, self-centered athlete who measures their self importance with the size of their paycheck and has a freelancing style of play. Give that individual a record contract with a significant portion guaranteed and paid up front. Now hire a my-way-or-the-highway head coach. Result: The case study of one Albert Haynesworth versus the Washington Redskins. What on earth did they expect from this player?

Posted by: Natmeister | April 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

F-Dallas and F-Slozell Adams! Booooooooooo to any x-cowpatties! Do not sign that clown!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | April 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Time for Snyder to act like a true footballer and suck it up, play hurt. He hurt himself and the team by signing a stupid contract and has no one but himself to blame. Play hurt, Big Dan, get rid of big Al for some good picks and let Shannahan continue to build the team you hired him to build.

Posted by: MrChili | April 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"training on his own instead of participating in the voluntary conditioning program at Redskins Park."

Yeah, we saw the results of his program last season, when we was sucking wind.

In order for the Redskins to move forward, they must rid the team of selfish turds like him.

Posted by: gatorz | April 10, 2010 11:01 AM |

Yea, different program now. Let me ask you guys this: Say you're dishwasher at a restaurant and you really like your job. Your boss says hey, we need someone to clean the restrooms every now an d then and still wash dishes sometimes too. Now you really like washing dishes but aren't too thrilled about cleaning toilets but hey, you'll still get paid. Wouldn't you tell him hey, I'm not so thrilled about cleaning toilets. That's, at the most, what's going on here. Hayney has simply told them he doesn't really want to do something different that he hasn't been trained to do and doesn't really fit him instyead of something he likes. He hasn't said he won't, he just said he would prefer not to. People making mountains out of molehills.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

How the hell does fat ass Haynesworth even know if he will like the defense if he doesn't show up? I doubt Haslett will waste a talented player as a space eater. He can be disruptive like a Jay Ratliff and be moved around on the line. F him. Trade his lazy ass to Oakland. I hope he tears up his knee after and loses all his money and is relegated to living in a carboard box.

Posted by: Rahtard | April 10, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The bigger question still for me is why the switch was made to a 3-4 when a review of the available talent on the roster doesn't seem to support that move? I just don't get it.

Posted by: iceicebaby | April 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

All you people....stop saying mean things about "Hayney" where SCampbell can read them. It's making him very upset.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 10, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This is gut check time for the owner. We can get a #1 from Detroit and take Suh and Okung. Will Danny do what will help the team or will his pride force him to stand pat? We know what Albert brings to the table and we will shortly know what Danny brings. Does he really want to win that badly? Deep inside, Dan is just like Albert.

Posted by: donsilvester | April 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975
AH isn't showing up to mini-camps and he's not working out with the team. He's basically saying, "Yeah, I'll clean the toilets, but I just want you to know that I don't like it, and I may end up making a mess of the floor in the process and dragging my cleaning bucket through the dining room where the patrons are." Shanahan's response is: " Thanks but no thanks, I'll get a new dishwasher also." Unless you're Manning and Brady and a few guys like that, these prima donna's need to know that no one is bigger than the team -- especially on Shanahan's team. He is building a TEAM.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The best thing Redskins can do is to ship fat Albert to Oakland along with Campbell.

Posted by: DesiHungama | April 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

...it seems the situation would only escalate.

I'm having a great deal of difficulty imagining what form this "escalation" could take. Maybe Al would come after Shanny? 45 minutes of that, three days a week, and I'd call it a "workout program".

Posted by: daggar | April 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975
AH isn't showing up to mini-camps and he's not working out with the team. He's basically saying, "Yeah, I'll clean the toilets, but I just want you to know that I don't like it, and I may end up making a mess of the floor in the process and dragging my cleaning bucket through the dining room where the patrons are." Shanahan's response is: " Thanks but no thanks, I'll get a new dishwasher also." Unless you're Manning and Brady and a few guys like that, these prima donna's need to know that no one is bigger than the team -- especially on Shanahan's team. He is building a TEAM.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 11:40 AM |

Um, we haven't even had a minicamp yet. The only people, SO FAR, who have said he won't be there is the WaPo. I'm not saying he will or won't show up, I'm just saying it's all spoeculation at this point.

MColeman, get a clue man, I could care less if you got sand in your vag over Hayney or not. They cantrade the dude for all I care. All I'm saying is that J Reid and his lackeys are just continuing what JLaC started which is a bunch of uninformed poo flinging. This staff has had an issue with the FO for a long time now and will always try to make situations seem worse than they really are. They may be right with all this. That's not really the point, the point is that you tools will believe anything they write without any sort of skeptisism. Who you got to back them up? Florio? He's just as big a d bag and he's wrong even more often. He, too, is one of those Skins haters.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I KNOW THIS IS UNRELATED, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY

R.I.P. TO THE MAN *SEAN -21- TAYLOR*

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The writer is hell bent on continuing to promote the idea Haynesworth does not want to be a NT. The player has never said that. The only interview I've seen where the player was presented with the question, his reply was he'll play wherever the coaches want him to play because he does not want to be a distraction.

As far as the off-season conditioning program which has become voluntary mandatory, the player is completely within his right to do exactly what he's doing. The coach may not like his decision but the player is operating within the framework of the rule. If management wanted to assure the player be a part of an off-season program they have pre-established for him that differs from the rule, then said provisions should have been included in the wording of the players contract.

Now, the warden can huff and puff because the player chose to challenge his authority, but the player is still operating within his rights. The warden is being childish because he can't have his way, and disrespecting the player in the process. The player is not going to give back any money, he'd be a fool if he did. The owner would also have lost it to not be looking for a return on his investment. You just don't pay a player 20 mil$ to watch him walk away. Now for all of us millionaires here that's just a tip at our favorite restaurant, but even for Daniel Snyder that's a lot of coin to give away. TBH I could care less about what management ultimately decides to do about Haynesworth, I do however, believe there's a right and wrong way to treat people to both give and get respect.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

This just in frm the WaPo newsroom: the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Still a bunch of unsupported poo flinging.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I count at least 4 suckers who just buy any crap that the WaPo dishes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 |


You hate the Post. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: TheCork | April 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975
JR is not just printing pure speculation on the mini-camp issue. He has been told by people in Redskins FO that AH told Shanahan that he wasn't going to come to the "voluntary" minicamps. That is what AH told the Redskins. If you don't believe that, you are naive. In fact, it totally fits: lazy, egotistical athlete having just received $34M and wants to go someplace more to his liking -- of course he doesn't come to the minicamps. It would be a total shock if he did.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The bigger question still for me is why the switch was made to a 3-4 when a review of the available talent on the roster doesn't seem to support that move? I just don't get it.

Yeah, given the other problems that this team has (caused by the short-sighted previous regime), you'd think they would address more pressing problems first and then make major systematic changes.

They're trying to do an awful lot with not a lot of resources.

Others say they must have a plan. Okay, but I'm not sure how they're going to fulfill "the plan" with the limits they have (some self-imposed, others inherited).

We'll see.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 10, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Can any of you folks doggin AH provide a quote where Al says he will not play NT? How about a quote from Shanahan where he said that he is actively trading AH? OK, please provide any type of quote that shows that MS and AH are posturing against each other? The WaPo can't, how 'bout you?

Shanahan is not happy that AH is not at voluntary workouts and may miss all voluntary activities. AH is not happy at the thought of playing NT but is on record as saying that he will do what they ask.

Here is a quote from Shanahan:

"There is nothing to clarify," Shanahan said. "It is just speculation. He's part of the organization. I am just looking for him to come in and work and be like everyone else. No, we're not going to trade him at all, unless someone gives us something we would have to consider -- that's pretty standard with any player on your roster. He's a pretty smart guy. He's really talented. I think I can get that out of him.'

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert wants everything. Scroo him. If he wants out that bad let him buy his way out. Oh the last vestige of Snyderatto. If not I'd let him rot on the bench for 3 years. Let him chase down punts, that way he has lots of time to suck his oxygen before going in again. I'd be happy to get a 2nd & 3rd for him, don't care what year.

Posted by: scoot21 | April 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Jason maybe I'm confused about the roster or the positioning of the 3-4 defense, but who exactly do you have playing end on this team? The 3-4 still has 2 DE positions correct? If I believe what you write, Andre Carter is upset about his impending switch to LB and Haynesworth is upset about playing NT every snap. I suppose Haslett is going to play Phillip Daniels at both DE positions on every snap. Or maybe just maybe there is room for both Carter and Haynesworth to play end nearly full-time, especially if Kemoeatu is healthy. Please let me know what I'm missing because clearly we aren't looking at the same roster.

Posted by: dto6814 | April 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree, you could plug in "Clinton Portis" and shuffle some nouns around and you'd get a dozen earlier posts.

Besides, you are choosing not to emphasize that Haynesworth said he would do whatever is asked of him, and that he flew to DC to sit down with Shanahan to discuss his off season plan on the first day of voluntary workouts.

The Skins probably did try to swap him for McNabb, partly because a 3 - 4 front isn't ideal. In fact, a 3 -4 front is presenting more problems than solutions and I have a feeling Blache is going to enjoy watching the D get dunked on next year.

Anyway, unless someone coughs up a 2nd rounder AH is here next year, and I hope he is. You don't want AH on your defense? This team is already a joke with McNabb behind center what difference does it make.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Now, the warden can huff and puff because the player chose to challenge his authority, but the player is still operating within his rights. The warden is being childish because he can't have his way, and disrespecting the player in the process. The player is not going to give back any money, he'd be a fool if he did. The owner would also have lost it to not be looking for a return on his investment. You just don't pay a player 20 mil$ to watch him walk away. Now for all of us millionaires here that's just a tip at our favorite restaurant, but even for Daniel Snyder that's a lot of coin to give away. TBH I could care less about what management ultimately decides to do about Haynesworth, I do however, believe there's a right and wrong way to treat people to both give and get respect.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 10, 2010 11:54 AM |

I think you've had it right up to this point. Shanny really hasn't said anything besides the initial point that he was upset at Hayney's decision. After that it's been all nicey nice. Shanny didn't even comment on it again until this past week where he said that every player is tradeable for the right price but Hayney is here, he's talented and Shanny thinks he can get that talent out of him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

You hate the Post. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: TheCork | April 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report

You're just like an old woman you know that? You do what all woman do and that is take something that someone said and transform it into whatever the hell you want it to say. I said that the WaPo has been grinding an axe for years. I never said I hated the post. Just like a woman. Clean out your ears you old phuk.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975
JR is not just printing pure speculation on the mini-camp issue. He has been told by people in Redskins FO that AH told Shanahan that he wasn't going to come to the "voluntary" minicamps. That is what AH told the Redskins. If you don't believe that, you are naive. In fact, it totally fits: lazy, egotistical athlete having just received $34M and wants to go someplace more to his liking -- of course he doesn't come to the minicamps. It would be a total shock if he did.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 11:57 AM |

I bet you voted for Obama. You're just like every other left wing liberal d-bag that believes anything that any liberal rag puts into print. I've got a bridge to sell cheap. I'll even put your name on it for you. It's now in print so it has to be true.

If they're "source" is so reliable, put a name on it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:07 PM

Your getting on people for believing what the wapo says. What does that make you for believing in coachspeak? Shanahan would be stupid to say I am trying to get rid of AH, because it would bring his value down. He also has to say he is not trying to trade AH in case they cant move him and they would have a real problem on their hands. The coaches use the media to keep certain rumors out there. Remember just a few weeks ago when Reid said McNabb was his qb and was the rumors of him being shopped werent true. Its just like the draft rumors, coaches and GMs generate misinformation for their own purposes. This is no different, just because Shanahan made a blanket statement saying Haynesworth wasnt going anywhere doesnt mean he is not. He could have completely shut the door on the matter, but then he mentioned something along the lines of that the team has to explore every offer.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I bet you voted for Obama. You're just like every other left wing liberal d-bag that believes anything that any liberal rag puts into print. I've got a bridge to sell cheap. I'll even put your name on it for you. It's now in print so it has to be true.

If they're "source" is so reliable, put a name on it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:07 PM

Hey thanks for setting us straight (again) scamp. You always have all the answers. The one thing I don't understand is why a smart, un-liberal guy like you is here every single day giving this "liberal rag" page hits. I'm sure there's an intellectually complex reason for your patronage, one that would fly over our heads if you tried to explain it, but hey, give it a shot.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:07 PM

Your getting on people for believing what the wapo says. What does that make you for believing in coachspeak? Shanahan would be stupid to say I am trying to get rid of AH, because it would bring his value down. He also has to say he is not trying to trade AH in case they cant move him and they would have a real problem on their hands. The coaches use the media to keep certain rumors out there. Remember just a few weeks ago when Reid said McNabb was his qb and was the rumors of him being shopped werent true. Its just like the draft rumors, coaches and GMs generate misinformation for their own purposes. This is no different, just because Shanahan made a blanket statement saying Haynesworth wasnt going anywhere doesnt mean he is not. He could have completely shut the door on the matter, but then he mentioned something along the lines of that the team has to explore every offer.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 10, 2010 12:19 PM |

You make a great point which just backs up my main point which is we really have no idea what the phuk is really going on. These people are just buying hook, line and sinker whatever crap is being written. I said this before, all this stuff may be true, it could be crap, we really DON'T KNOW so to point fingers and tear people (AH, FO, Shanny) down over WaPo and Florio speculation is ridiculous. I really could care less what happens to AH. If the team thinbks is better to let him go, who am I to second guess 'em. If they think it's better to keep him then well I guess they know best. I understand this is a blog and the writers are trying to fuel fire...I get that. It keeps the board roling. All I'm saying is don't believe everything you read (or hear.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey thanks for setting us straight (again) scamp. You always have all the answers. The one thing I don't understand is why a smart, un-liberal guy like you is here every single day giving this "liberal rag" page hits. I'm sure there's an intellectually complex reason for your patronage, one that would fly over our heads if you tried to explain it, but hey, give it a shot.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 12:27 PM |

Nope, nothing so intellectual that even you can get it Mack. I love the Skins, I love to argue, and heck, I even love you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'll just change my handle Devil's Advocate.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This was painful and expensive,but it was necessary to get Snyder to completely understand that these type of signing are counter productive.

Remember: Dana Stubblefield

I think our little Danny is growing up!

I think Snyder needs to eat this contract and move on.

Trade AH to Detroit for their #2 and possibly a 4th or 5th round pick

Simply move on.

If we do, then we can trade down from our #4 because someone will want Clausen.

Then we can get dan williams and a LT in the second.

Discuss....

Posted by: imthedude | April 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Love you too scamp. But blaming the "liberal media" for the Haynesworth mess is as stupid as Albert is fat, out of shape and overpaid.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Love you too scamp. But blaming the "liberal media" for the Haynesworth mess is as stupid as Albert is fat, out of shape and overpaid.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 12:44 PM

Sorry, my goal wasn't realy to blame them as much as it was to equate the poo flinging about this story to the crap the liberal media spews. I may have done a poor job at it though. To be sure I don't think there is any political agenda behing any of this other than maybe team politics and I don't even give it that much credence. I think it's just reaching for something to keep the coughers filled until something real happens.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Yea, different program now. Let me ask you guys this: Say you're dishwasher at a restaurant and you really like your job. Your boss says hey, we need someone to clean the restrooms every now an d then and still wash dishes sometimes too. Now you really like washing dishes but aren't too thrilled about cleaning toilets but hey, you'll still get paid. Wouldn't you tell him hey, I'm not so thrilled about cleaning toilets. That's, at the most, what's going on here. Hayney has simply told them he doesn't really want to do something different that he hasn't been trained to do and doesn't really fit him instyead of something he likes. He hasn't said he won't, he just said he would prefer not to. People making mountains out of molehills.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 11:17 AM |


It is more than that. He does not want to come work out with the team, for the good of the team. You saw him sucking wind last year. He needs all the working out he can get, and I don't think doughnut curls are going to get it done.

Using your job/boss analogy, when someone gets a new boss (new coach in this case), you should go out of your way to impress the heck out of the new boss. AH prefers to stay at home, and forget the team.

About playing NT, when he came here, it was all about him taking up blockers and how great it would be for the DEs and LBs. Fine, it was. And that is what an NT does.

The sooner they get rid of this P.o.S. the better.

Posted by: gatorz | April 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Fan voting in GBN mock draft.

http://www.gbnreport.com/fanmockdraftstats.html

Posted by: skinfanman | April 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth may want to get out, but will he pay back money to do so?

Well, Haynesworth is not LaVar!

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It is more than that. He does not want to come work out with the team, for the good of the team. You saw him sucking wind last year. He needs all the working out he can get, and I don't think doughnut curls are going to get it done.

Using your job/boss analogy, when someone gets a new boss (new coach in this case), you should go out of your way to impress the heck out of the new boss. AH prefers to stay at home, and forget the team.

About playing NT, when he came here, it was all about him taking up blockers and how great it would be for the DEs and LBs. Fine, it was. And that is what an NT does.

The sooner they get rid of this P.o.S. the better.

Posted by: gatorz | April 10, 2010 12:50 PM |

A well reasoned argument that I totally buy. This is worthy speculation based on actual actions not based on "he said/she said/we think" garbo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

" Unless you're Manning and Brady and a few guys like that, these prima donna's need to know that no one is bigger than the team -- especially on Shanahan's team. He is building a TEAM.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 11:40 AM

Well, Haynesworth to any defense is absolutely equal or more in value, than Manning or Brady.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

worst free agent signing, ever.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 10, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually Haynesworth did come to work on the first day of the conditioning program and discussed his off-season training plans with coach Shanahan.

I'm with scampbell1975 here -- this has all been speculative been muck fanned by JLC and Washington Post reports -- I won't believe a word unless the Skins actually trade Haynesworth or say on the record that he should be traded.

Was one of the sources the janitor who had to clean up the toilet after Hanyesworth? Has Shanahan, Haslett or Burney ever said they didn't want Haynesworth? No -- it's all unsubstantiated conjecture -- and I thought this type of sensationalized journalism was dropped after Jasno and DeNunzio left the Post.

Posted by: siris | April 10, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What's Wapo going to say the first day of actual practice as AH takes the field @310 lbs and a mean look in his eye?

AH on 5 straight plays puts OK on his azz, reaches down and says welcome to the NFL.

Whats the gerbils going to say? TRADE HIM, he's cancer in the locker room.

AH moves to NT, takes on 3 blockers, Mc only gets 1.7 sec to throw the ball.

Gerbils say TRADE HIM, we can get a 2nd and 5th or 6th. That would make the team better.

Shanny on sideline, calls AH over and says "Take a break big fella, you're gonna give the Oline a complex."

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who saw Manny Pacquaio fight this year has seen one of the very best ever.

Posted by: Samson151
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I think boxing reached it's pinnacle when Tonya Harding fought Paula what's-her-nose...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 10, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm not aiming this at you scamp. But you did inspire it. This morning I went to a bake sale/ yard sale being held as a benefit for my neighbor. He’s a 3-year old little boy recently diagnosed with leukemia. The family has health insurance but the provider has denied payment for much of his care. So neighbors have pitched in, baking cookies and pies and donating items to the sale— all to raise money for his treatment. A couple of folks who dropped by, either as shopper or volunteers, sported anti “Obamacare” stickers on their cars. It seems they have trouble connecting the dots. My question is this: why does the law prevent me from grabbing them by the hair and smashing their empty heads together?

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Some posters are correct in saying that Big Al is a great bargain if another team gets him with what's left on his contract. The Skins took the huge up front hit, so some team could have quite a force for relatively cheap. With that in mind, the new regime should be able to get some substantial draft pick compensation, if they play the whole thing right.

I believe that Shanny's whole public decree yesterday, was to set the tone for the trade process. These guys know what they are doing. My favorite part of the new crew, is that they don't have all the information leaks that were so prevalent during the Vinny administration.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

To Scamp75, It is unfortunate that you can't find a Republican Right Wing paper that has a Redskins blog.

Republican based conservative right wing media outlets spew a bunch of lies and BS just as much as you say the liberal ones do.

As far as Fat Albert, he is better than anyone we have, and better than anyone out there, including any rookie because they are at this point unknown commodoties. I hope they don't trade him.

Oh, and spit that tea bag out of your mouth! LOL!

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The way to handle Haynesworth is to tell him if he prefers not to train with the team then he will be inactive for every game this season. He doesn't need to show up except on game day. Let him sit on the bench and show off his clean unused uniform. I don't think his ego could stand that.

Posted by: mycroft711 | April 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

This was painful and expensive,but it was necessary to get Snyder to completely understand that these type of signing are counter productive.

Remember: Dana Stubblefield

I think our little Danny is growing up!

I think Snyder needs to eat this contract and move on.

Trade AH to Detroit for their #2 and possibly a 4th or 5th round pick

Simply move on.

If we do, then we can trade down from our #4 because someone will want Clausen.

Then we can get dan williams and a LT in the second.

Discuss....
Posted by: imthedude | April 10, 2010 12:37 PM |

OK, I will.

First of all, if DannyBoy were "growing up", the team wouldn't still be signing washed-out big names like Larry Johnson. They also wouldn't trade for McNabb and hours later try to sell me season tickets via email by offering an autographed McNabb jersey. The guy is still an Eagle in my mind, so it was a good thing that they noted it would be a burgundy and gold jersey. They'd also currently possess more than 4 picks in this month's draft. I want to believe Danny will one day "get it" but I remain highly doubtful.

Second, the Haynesworth signing was a mistake. I thought he played well at times, but the defense got worse as a unit than its 2008 and 2009 predecessors, and really wasn't as disruptive as you'd expect. AH did appear out-of-shape at times as well. Trading him, however, is not that simple. You're looking at getting back maybe a 3rd rounder this year and a 5th rounder next. The Redskins have no leverage. And trading him to the Lions means they draft a LT that the Redskins desperately need instead of drafting Suh, as the Lions presumably will.

Furthermore, waiting till the 2nd Rd to get a LT is a mistake, because you have to draft a guy who can start immediately, and banking on finding the leftover guys after the studs are all cherry-picked is far too risky.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

why does the law prevent me from grabbing them by the hair and smashing their empty heads together?

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 1:29 PM

"I don't like your opinions so I should be allowed to attack you." Whatever happened to "Live and let live"?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

And trading him to the Lions means they draft a LT that the Redskins desperately need instead of drafting Suh, as the Lions presumably will.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 1:43 PM

Why does it mean that? What if they trade him for Detroit's first pick? What if they swap first round picks as part of the trade? What if they put a clause in the trade agreement that if Detroit selects Okung, then it has to give Washington it's first round pick next year?

Even Vinny could figure this one out. Why not you?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"I don't like your opinions so I should be allowed to attack you." Whatever happened to "Live and let live"?

Posted by: League-Source | April 10, 2010 1:43 PM

No it's not the opinions I mind, it's the actions. And I'm all for live and let live. Especially when it comes to 3-year old kids.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why no one has called his mother yet for comment....Why is she soo silent now....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

@TheNewTruth

Everything doesn't have to be done in one extreme or the other. Building a team involves all kinds of moves and all ages of players. There is a happy medium between the Dan Snyder approach and the idea that everyone must be a Redskin draft pick and be under 28. Take a look at the Patriots.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Please, Jason, don't start with the whole medium thing.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 10, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell has called me out before and I'm Irish so it pi$$ed me off but man you guys have jumped all over this man you talk more about his political views than Jreid talks about fat albert or "raising a QB"

Posted by: Superman321 | April 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Adam Shefter tweeted earlier today that there is no trade of Albert Haynesworth to Detroit for there 1st rd pick in the works. Just not going to happen.

Posted by: will_ga | April 10, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

HAynesworth will only go to a competitor....

My bet is him and JC17 will be here next year....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Political opinions on a Redskins blog are as useful as a South Carolina teen beauty pageant contestant giving geography lessons.

Posted by: will_ga | April 10, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"I bet you voted for Obama. You're just like every other left wing liberal d-bag that believes anything that any liberal rag puts into print. I've got a bridge to sell cheap. I'll even put your name on it for you. It's now in print so it has to be true."Posted by: scampbell1975"

Stuff like the above is so dumb I sometimes wonder if it's just a troll.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

No way in heck will Haynesworth give up $ to leave. It's going to come down to Dan Snyder being willing to suck it up, admit to making a MAJOR mistake, and trade the guy for a 2nd rounder.

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Rumors aside, there are a number of reasons for trading Albert for draft choices. One, they need draft choices. Two, this year and next look like pretty deep classes. Three, they're not getting that money back no matter what. Four, he really isn't an ideal fit for what they want to defensively. Five, what new coach wants an unhappy star on his roster?

Reason for keeping Albert: one, you may not get that much for him in a trade. two, you've already paid for the guy. Three, if were ever motivated...

But what motivates Albert is respect, which he apparently interprets as cash, and heck, he's already got the cash.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I cosign mack. But Scamp is a good dude. I wish he didn't view fellow countrymen who might not share is views enemies and associated with low intelligence, or make ridiculous false equivelecies (I know SP..) between political beliefs and stuff like preference in oh I don't know...every other aspect of life...but whateves, one day he will realizes he debases only himself.

Like I said however, I am pro Scamp.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 10, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

League-Source:

Trading AH to the Lions would mean they'd go OT in the 1st round, because the Lions aren't going to agree to any of your scenarios. Why would they? You say, "even Vinny could figure that out." I'd say, "Only Vinny would agree to those ideas you suggested." It'd be nice, and your ideas are creative and make sense for Washington. I completely agree. I just don't see teams beating down the Redskins' door with great offers for two reasons. For one, Haynesworth's character is just as questionable as ever, and he's not coming off an all-pro caliber season as he was last year. More importantly, I'd suspect that other GM's around the league still think they can fleece the Redskins and will low-ball them, because Danny's impulsiveness has led the team to make so many questionable deals and so many questionable signings. The Redskins are like that kid in school who would trade you his Dan Marino rookie card for a Mark Grace rookie and some commons because the Mark Grace card is really shiny.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Who wants a quote from AL. The only quote I need is his pathetic punk a$$ eating pizza while the ENTIRE team is together. You know the same loser that signs a big contract but is not in good enough shape to play last year.

How about the same guy that couldn't show up for the Cowboys?

Maybe of all people he should be the first one working out since HIS PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK LAST YEAR.

Biggest chump in the history of the league. The only suckers I see around here are people defending this punk. You keep drinking that Haynesworth kool aid that you paid for. Does he care that we pay his salary? Of course not.

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"I wish he didn't view fellow countrymen who might not share his views [as] ...associated with low intelligence,"

Ever notice how many people who view others as 'of low intelligence' are themselves in fact not all that bright?

Maybe there's a correlation...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

HAynesworth will only go to a competitor....

My bet is him and JC17 will be here next year....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Completely agree, 4th floor. Also, I'd add a prediction that Campbell ultimately starts at least 2-3 games when DMc gets hurt as he always does.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins participating in any Confederate History Month activities in Virginia?

Posted by: coparker5 | April 10, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Trade him and get maybe a second or third, so shanahan can draft a Murice Clarett type player in the third.Look at shanahans draft history. He does not know how to draft.

Posted by: Michael_ASU | April 10, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER LAST SEASON ALBERT COULD EVEN STAY ON THE FIELD HE WAS SOOOOOO OUT OF SHAPE.RUN 5 YDS AND HAVE TO COME OUT. WHAT A WASTE. SEND HIM TO THE BILLS WHERE IT'S COLD OR TO THE SEAHAWKS WHERE IT'S COLD AND WET. HE DOSN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEAM ONLY HIMSELF. FOR 100 MIL I WOULD PLAY ANY POSITION ASKED OF ME BUT WE WERE WARNED ABOUT ALBERT. LAZY AND SELFISH.

Posted by: SPIDER963 | April 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I if we are making the depressingly obvious connections between Haynesworth and past gynormous skins DT blunders, its lazy to name Stubblefield. The best connection (by passing some connections to Daryl Gardner....the war with Shanny once he got to Denver being the obvious one) is actually Sean Gilbert. A total beast difference maker with career crushing greed who played one year for Skins, but held the team hostage for 2+. The way I hope seals the final linkage is that we were actually able to con the Panthers into trading, not 1 BUT 2 first round draft picks for the bum.

Remember the horsiht "God made me hold out" routine....wow.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 10, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

We'll find out how good Orakpo and Carter are without Haynesworth. I think we already know how good Carter is without Big Al.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 10, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins participating in any Confederate History Month activities in Virginia?

Posted by: coparker5 | April 10, 2010 2:38 PM

with the channging political winds, could be a good time to revamp the team name and colors... teabaggers anyone?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_94vWmzABPGg/Sq5UinViGrI/AAAAAAAAAgw/ylto7dpf7jo/s400/3912707381_4b924ee9ca.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Man, chrislarry. Great blast from the past on Sean Gilbert. I had actually forgotten completely about that. The thing that makes me sad reading that is knowing that that Carolina trade occurred in 1998. Snyder bought the team in 1999, and the Skins haven't made as smart a personnel decision since. Not one. Feel free to come up with one, everybody, because I can't. I know what everyone is thinking. Ricky Williams. nope. One month before Snyder bought the team, and the Skins threw away most of what they got from that deal anyway. (I checked -the only picks the Redskins actually made with those Saints picks were LB Nate Stimson, DB Lloyd Harrison, and LaVar).

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Adam Shefter tweeted earlier today that there is no trade of Albert Haynesworth to Detroit for there 1st rd pick in the works. Just not going to happen.

Posted by: will_ga | April 10, 2010 2:17 PM

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of course someone "close" to the Skins brass can say that. Shanahan and Allen are not Snyderratto that they'll announce to the whole world what they're doing even when they need to go to the bathroom.

Did the Eagles say McNabb is going to the Skins??? I think not. Not until the weee hours of getting trade done.

Shefter is good, don't get me wrong, but he's not a mind reader nor a freakin psychic.

Campbell, Haynesworth, Portis and probably 2 or 3 more surprise skins players are gonna be traded before this is said and done.

You heard it here first!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe of all people he should be the first one working out since HIS PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK LAST YEAR.

Biggest chump in the history of the league. The only suckers I see around here are people defending this punk. You keep drinking that Haynesworth kool aid that you paid for. Does he care that we pay his salary? Of course not.

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

He worked out last year(2009) in Ashburn. And that is the program that didn't get him in shape. So he contracted with the dude that got him in shape in 2008.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 10, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

OK, I will.

First of all, if DannyBoy were "growing up", the team wouldn't still be signing washed-out big names like Larry Johnson. They also wouldn't trade for McNabb and hours later try to sell me season tickets via email by offering an autographed McNabb jersey. The guy is still an Eagle in my mind, so it was a good thing that they noted it would be a burgundy and gold jersey. They'd also currently possess more than 4 picks in this month's draft. I want to believe Danny will one day "get it" but I remain highly doubtful.

Second, the Haynesworth signing was a mistake. I thought he played well at times, but the defense got worse as a unit than its 2008 and 2009 predecessors, and really wasn't as disruptive as you'd expect. AH did appear out-of-shape at times as well. Trading him, however, is not that simple. You're looking at getting back maybe a 3rd rounder this year and a 5th rounder next. The Redskins have no leverage. And trading him to the Lions means they draft a LT that the Redskins desperately need instead of drafting Suh, as the Lions presumably will.

Furthermore, waiting till the 2nd Rd to get a LT is a mistake, because you have to draft a guy who can start immediately, and banking on finding the leftover guys after the studs are all cherry-picked is far too risky.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

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You're missing the point!

First of all, the fans on this site need to stop micro analyzing everything

Can't you see that they have a plan and that it's a process

Trading with Detroit for their second round pick is not only feasible,it's a good move for the lions who can draft Okung and get their defensive tackle in AH.

He is better than Sue for half the price.

As far as the Danny goes. He is fully aware of the problems his directions in the past have caused and yes, I truly believe he gets it now.I.E Steinbrenner

The organization wants this distraction gone and Detroit should be ecstatic because of the overall value.

As for us, look for the skins to try to move down. There is only one player who is worth such a move.

Jimmy Clausen

Id do this in a heartbeat. We would still be in the top 10 and we could pick up Trent Williams or Dan Williams and still have two 2nd rounders or more

For anyone who is agonizing over the Mcnabb trade, you really need to get over it, or simply start rooting for that team up there in Philly

Posted by: imthedude | April 10, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering how much of bringing Haynesworth here was ACTUALLY Snyder's doing. Sure...he cut the check, but I wonder if Vinny told Snyder to get this guy or was it the other way around?

Anyone got any insight?

Cerrato will never get another FO job in this league.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe of all people he should be the first one working out since HIS PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK LAST YEAR."

His claim, supported by other players with the same beef, is that last year's regime really didn't have a well-thoughtout off-season conditioning plan.

If you want AH gone, fine.

But who do you replace him with?

We need a tackle to replace Griff, and moving AH means you'll need another.

So you move AH and suddenly need two defensive tackles.

Name them, please.

You can't?

Thought so.

So maybe Haney is of more value to us than others and mistamayor has convienently avoided the truth about the depth of the team's tackle rotation.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

First of all, the fans on this site need to stop micro analyzing everything

Posted by: imthedude | April 10, 2010 3:08 PM

and then what? spend time outside? hang with family? read a book? go get a burger?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe-

I agree...let's not be crazy. Albert Haynesworth is a "monster" when on the field. Andre Carter had what...4 or 5 sacks the year before?

If you can't get a good deal for him, you gotta bring him back and play him and make him fit your scheme. The other thing that is interesting is that Haynesworth hasn't said anything out of the way. In fact, the last quote I heard, he said that he didn't necessarily wanna play the nose, but he would do whatever they asked...

Where's Reid getting this stuff from?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Imthedude-
I have no problem with McNabb trade. It actually could help the team. My point in bringing up McNabb is that Danny only cares about $, and the immediate sales pitch with the McNabb jersey only further illustrates this point.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: TheNewTruth | April 10, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, Haynesworth to any defense is absolutely equal or more in value, than Manning or Brady.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 1:02 PM

This is a joke, right? It's got to be a joke. GM's around the league would giggle at such a statement.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

And in other news... wait... what do you mean there isn't any other news??? All Albert all the time? Really? I want to hear what our new D-Coach has to say about all this. From what D-Hall said about rakpo playing a bit of saftey, maybe other players will be playing out of position, Albert can play a bit of corner (who knows, maybe he can catch?) Or better yet maybe he can play still play tackle, just offensive takle. Just throwing bad ideas out there...

Posted by: Burrasta1 | April 10, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

His claim, supported by other players with the same beef, is that last year's regime really didn't have a well-thoughtout off-season conditioning plan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 3:12 PM

AH has more beef than most. I like his talent, but really want to see team players who buy into the system. and everyone is replaceable... know it's hard to move on from the "one piece away" mentality, but we're in rebuilding mode now

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hanny would be stupid to pay back any of the money. If Shanahan is any kind of coach (let alone the great coach he envisions himself to be) he would just ignore this crap and just coach the guy up.

Posted by: nojunk4me | April 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Trade him and get maybe a second or third, so shanahan can draft a Murice Clarett type player in the third.Look at shanahans draft history. He does not know how to draft.

Posted by: Michael_ASU | April 10, 2010 2:38 PM

shanahans 2006 draft is probably the best class of the decade. look at the picks in the fourth and fifth round Marshall, dumervil and kuper. these are 3 of the best players in the league in their respective positions and if they ever reach free agency these guys will be redskins.

with marshall he might even make a move this offseason.

back to the drafting, the broncos had some lean years from 2001-2005 but when the goodmans moved into the front office in 2006 the drafts were much improved.

i expect shanny to bring the goodmans to DC after the draft to work in the front office under GM bruce allen. they are both highly respected as scouts in the pros and throughout college football.

take care from a bronco fan

Posted by: shannybronco | April 10, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

My take:
1. JR is a B-minus-level writer -- always has been, always will be.
2. AH can't be coached up and is toxic to locker room. He should be traded... but not hastily. However, if Shanny wanted to try fixing AH, I'd support it.
3. The MOST we'll get for AH is 2nd and 4th rounders -- anyone who thinks DET will give us their #1 for AH is ignorant.
4. Issue isn't Snyder; he no longer calls shots. If Snyder crossed Shanny and Shanny quit, Snyder would suffer irreparable reputation harm. Shanny's in charge.
5. Shanny knows what he's doing; he's making good moves. He deserves fan support.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 10, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

We're assembling a team of castoffs. Talented players that no one else really wanted too much so why not just keep our own castoff. He's as dominant as any lineman in the league in both rushing D and pass rushing. Keep him and no matter where you line him up, he's going to make plays.

Posted by: dg_photofl | April 10, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

We're assembling a team of castoffs. Talented players that no one else really wanted too much so why not just keep our own castoff. He's as dominant as any lineman in the league in both rushing D and pass rushing. Keep him and no matter where you line him up, he's going to make plays.

Posted by: dg_photofl | April 10, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey CL. I've got no real beef with scamp either. We disagree on just about everything except the skins but I like the guy. He's one of the few who can dish it out and take it.

BTW if the neighborhood felt slightly cooler than usual a few weeks ago it's because I was in town for a visit. Got to bike ride in Prospect park with the fixed gear hipsters (losers) and ate my weight in a few really good restaurants. I love Brooklyn.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The best thing Redskins can do is to ship fat Albert to Oakland along with Campbell.

Posted by: DesiHungama | April 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse
And we get their first and third.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 10, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth and Campbell for Asomugha, Gradowski, and a pick. Good idea?

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 10, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

you know what the shame part of this whole thing is Albert Haynesworth never throughout his career never had a diciplinarian coach such as Mike singletary I tell you what if anyone who thinks that what he got away with Jeff Fisher and what he's getting away with Shanny right now if anyone can tell me that he's gonna get away with the same things with singletary they are on drugs singletary will chew him out to the point where not only he be apologizing to his teammates to his owner also to hsi competition and trust me it will be a public apology singletary don't play.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | April 10, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people up here kill me talking about AH being lazy, and not playing enough snaps. It's already fact the guy played more snaps than only one other defender. The man is 300 plus pounds and when he is on the field he seems to give it his all.

The man is taking on at a minimum 600LBS.(2 o-lineman)on every play. Who the hell wouldn't be winded? It is hard enough just for a person well over 300 pounds just to walk around, never mind exerting yourself on a football field, and being double teamed by two people 300LBS or more.

Could he have been in better shape last year? Sure. And if Grandpa Blache would have used him the way he should have I'm sure he would have made an even bigger impact. How do you think AC got 11 sacks?
How do you think Orakpo was able to contend for Defensive Rookie of the year?

Albert Haynesworth.

At this point in time, he is the most dominat Dlineman in the NFL.

Oh, and remember when we played the Giants and he popped a certain monster of a RB they have like he was a rag doll?

I wouldn't want to get rid of that, and don't forget, our defense isn't that good where you want to get rid of it's best player.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

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Please, Jason, don't start with the whole medium thing.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 10, 2010 2:13 PM "

Lol!!!!!
Sorry for dredging up those bad memories!

Posted by: Jason10 | April 10, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Eat the money, and trade his lard A s s to the Raiders for a 1st & 3rd rounder.

Posted by: dashriprock | April 10, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I have stated this before haynesworth should NOT give any money back to snyder if he was stupid enough to throw that kind of money at haynesworth too bad for him. snyder has destroyed this team anyway so hopefully he will lose ALL of his money on the idiotic moves he has made over the years.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 10, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are crazy for even thinking about trading Haynesworth. They can't possibly be serious about having one-legged Keomatu, one-legged Jarmon, and washed-up Daniels be their starting d-line next year, can they?

Posted by: coparker5 | April 10, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, poor, fat, lazy Albert! Woe is me! $100 million to play 1/2 of downs!

Trade him or dump him and deduct the losses from that moron Vinnie's residuals!

Posted by: fr3dmars | April 11, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Big fat scumbag. Worst lazy bag of pus that ever donned a Skin's uniform. And that's saying a lot of bad because under Snyder, only the worst have landed at Redskin's Park.

What a skeeve.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 11, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Big fat scumbag. Worst lazy bag of pus that ever donned a Skin's uniform. And that's saying a lot of bad because under Snyder, only the worst have landed at Redskin's Park.

What a skeeve.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 11, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Big fat scumbag. Worst lazy bag of pus that ever donned a Skin's uniform. And that's saying a lot of bad because under Snyder, only the worst have landed at Redskin's Park.

What a skeeve.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 11, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Big fat scumbag. Worst lazy bag of pus that ever donned a Skin's uniform. And that's saying a lot of bad because under Snyder, only the worst have landed at Redskin's Park.

What a skeeve.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 11, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Big fat scumbag. Worst lazy bag of pus that ever donned a Skin's uniform. And that's saying a lot of bad because under Snyder, only the worst have landed at Redskin's Park.

What a skeeve.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 11, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Big fat scumbag. Worst lazy bag of pus that ever donned a Skin's uniform. And that's saying a lot of bad because under Snyder, only the worst have landed at Redskin's Park.

What a skeeve.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 11, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Here is what to do with Haynesworth. If you cannot trade him for a number 1 pick or a number 2 pick and a 3 pick then make him play nose guard.

If he does not show up in shape, run his a$$ off. If he is now willing to run has a$$ off, write him up. If he is not willing to play nose guard, write him up.

I am pretty sure with his history of anger management issues he will blow his top and 1) he will forfeit a large portion of his bone us (forgive the pun) or 2) he will play nose guard.

I do not know about most of you but If my boss asked me to step outside my comfort zone and do something to help out the team I would do it 1) because I like having a job in this crappy economy and 2) because I have a good boss, he will remember that I helped out pitched in when the team needed help. From my standpoint there is nothing but upside to be in a situation like that.

Unfortunately, for a person (Mr Haynesworth) that never has worked a real job in his entire life he feels that he is not being used to the best of HIS ability. It is all about Mr Haynesworth, well I have never seen a defensive tackle win the superbowl single handedly. If you want to be compared to Reggie White, Mr Haynesworth I suggest that you become a better team mate and get in shape so that you can play every down.

Mr Haynesworth, for us people in the real-world, if we only come to work on Monday, Tuesday and Wendnesday even if we are the best at what we do we would be FIRED the following monday.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | April 11, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

m_p_holmes,

You hit the nail on the head !

Posted by: dashriprock | April 11, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

m_p_holmes,

You hit the nail on the head !

Posted by: dashriprock | April 11, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

It's so funny how people get upset with NFL players who don't show up for voluntary events HEY PEOPLE! It's Voluntary! If you want them them to show up with out question then make it mandatory period. hey AH I have gone through the same thing and I was only making $20 bucks an hr, supervisor would ask for people to voluntary to work the weekend and when I wouldn't volunteer, I was said to not be a team player and I say oh well hey take the money and report when it's mandatory and forget all the hatters. H.T.T.R!

Posted by: cdslee1 | April 11, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

cdslee1, there is nothing in my post about Mr. Haynesworths willingness to attend voluntary mini camps. I am dismayed by the assertion that he does not want to play nose tacke for 41M guaranteed.

So if Mr Haynesworth, comes to mandatory team activities in great shape and willing to play the positions the coaches determine are in the best inerest of the TEAM, I have no problem with Mr. Haynesworth.

Somebody pinch me and wake me up, Mr Haynesworth has proven he does not have the DISCIPLINE to maintain an offseason program that puts him in a positon to play every down in the NFL.

Don't start with the - he is double teamed and he has to work harder than everyone else, boo hoo hoo. That is is why he needs to be in the best possible shape.

I am not a HATTR as you imply, I would just like to see an individual live up to his commitements and fulfill his contractual obligations.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | April 11, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

It's fan supporting players like this that causes this team to lose year after year. Snyder is/was one of those fans too. It would not be hard to find a NT. They already signed one after all. THE ENTIRE TEAM is at these workouts (other then Campbell now). Do any of you people defending this loser understand how much he is going to hurt this team if he is the only one that doesn't show up, cry's about playing NT, and doesn't buy into the program? It's going to tear this team apart that is showing GREAT signs of being coach able and bonding as a team.

He has the highest paid contract on the team. I do not care if these work out are volly or not. If someone is paying me 100 million I am going to make those. Why? Because I have SELF RESPECT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ONLY REASON THESE ARE NOT MANDATORY IS BECAUSE OF THE UNION? Shanahan cannot say it legally to the press but this is mandatory without being mandatory. Anyone that puts a second of thought into it would understand that. So stop with that junk about it being all volly so who cares.

It's time for the Skins to head in the right direction. Keeping players like this fool around is not the right direction. Giving playing time to guys who EARN it is how you win. Not giving time to wasted potential. This is a mans sport this is not baseball. It takes a team to win. Fat lazy Albert is not a team player. He has no self respect. He will only drag this team down. I hope he is traded far away. Maybe the worst signing in the history of bad signings in this town.

When will people around here understand that when these chumps get paid they stop playing? Most of them at least. There is a reason this guy misses games every year. HE DOESN'T WANT TO WORK. That's why I get so angry. Wasted talent on a bad person.

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 11, 2010 4:46 AM | Report abuse

Dan time to man up. You paid him now trade him. Forget about the money, he's a cancer to the team. Send the message that if you aren't onboard you're overboard, no matter how much money you're paid. Clinton, Are you listening?

Posted by: myers681 | April 11, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

atleast that's one thing he's willing to cooperate with

Posted by: jdwood84 | April 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Stupid on Snyder's part to even sign him...he only did 2 season's worth of work in Tennessee. Of course, they were contract years and the Skins were dumb enough to bite.

Posted by: tonyc | April 11, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

this shows u how screwed up skins are everybody that was a non skin fan said this was a bad contract it will be the same with mcnabb the gm and coach changed but owner is still same skins fans why would philly trade mcnabb to skins for only a 2 and 3 next year mcnabb is done skins will be lucky to be 7-9 next year RAVENS RULE A REAL NFL FRANCHISE

Posted by: baltraven52 | April 11, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

this shows u how screwed up skins are everybody that was a non skin fan said this was a bad contract it will be the same with mcnabb the gm and coach changed but owner is still same skins fans why would philly trade mcnabb to skins for only a 2 and 3 next year mcnabb is done skins will be lucky to be 7-9 next year RAVENS RULE A REAL NFL FRANCHISE

Posted by: baltraven52 | April 11, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The media is playing up this story.....IMO its a whole lot of nothing...

Hayneworth will report to camp and Shanahan and Haslett will find a use for him.

The Redskins have already stated they are not playing a pure 3-4...so what is the big deal??

Let him play this year and see how he adjusts to the system....if he doesn't...he is gone next year.

The Redskins are not going to cut him...and will only trade him for a high 2nd round or 1st round pick.

So the media should end up harping on this story....its just another way they use the name REDSKINS to drum up offseason attention during this dry period.

And who commands more eyewatching than a player who signed a 100 Million $ contract.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | April 11, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

What would you expect from a guy that stomped on another player's face? Class? This guy is a lazy POS. "Earned" that money... FU Haynesworth!

Posted by: rconner9 | April 12, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

these high priced players are all about the money, and in the case sacks. well if he does't want to play for the skins bench him for the year. don't pay him off to play somewhere else, make him suffer on the bench, no glory , no espn. Who knows when anyone will play with the lockout coming.

Posted by: mmckenney179 | April 12, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

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