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Haynesworth meets with Shanahan, Haslett

In addition to meeting with Coach Mike Shanahan on Wednesday at Redskins Park, Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth also had a private session with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, with whom he has been in contact for weeks, according to several people familiar with the situation.

Haslett and Haynesworth have been communicating for some time, in phone conversations and through text messages, and have had several "productive" exchanges, the sources said. At a luncheon Wednesday, Haslett declined to comment on his private conversations with Haynesworth.

"That's for Mike to talk about," Haslett said. "I really don't have anything to say." A text message to Haynesworth's cell phone was not immediately returned.

The sources said Haynesworth, realizing the Redskins probably would not trade him, reached out to Haslett in an effort to end his war with the organization. During their conversations, Haslett made it clear to Haynesworth what he expected of him and what Haynesworth could count on in return. Haslett explained how he envisioned using Haynesworth in the Redskins' new 3-4 scheme as a nose tackle and defensive end.

Haynesworth told Haslett he would do what was asked of him, the sources said. After speaking with Haslett, Haynesworth confided in teammates he believes he could be productive in Haslett's scheme and he was ready to get started.

But Haynesworth, who will not open camp on Thursday with the first-team defense, is far behind his teammates in learning the team's new, aggressive scheme. The coaching staff and Redskins players are committed to helping Haynesworth get caught up as fast as possible, the sources said. Haynesworth must pass a physical before he can practice Thursday.

Shanahan, asked Wednesday about his conversation with Haynesworth, said it "went well." He said of Haynesworth: "He's here, he's ready to go."

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."

Shanahan also said all players are healthy enough to be at camp including safety LaRon Landry and linebacker Jeremy Jarmon.

By Jason Reid and Rick Maese  |  July 28, 2010; 1:27 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth  
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1st in the NFC East?

Posted by: EinVB | July 28, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Glad Albert is dealing with Shanahan and Haslett rather than with Danny.

Posted by: RunRiggoRun | July 28, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"After speaking with Haslett, Haynesworth confided in teammates he believes he could be productive in Haslett's scheme."

Well, duh.

Posted by: fufighter2121 | July 28, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I feel all warm and fuzzy now

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 1:30 PM

sounds good, link/source for anyone who wants to check it out?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


Sports reporters... am 980. shouold be in their audio vault soon. was transcribing Al Galdi from the park

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 1:39 PM

good work, thanks!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

hessone

The Ugly: Rams, Lions, Bucs, Jags


Out of that group, the lions might be ready to move up.

M Stafford is gamer and he, like M Sanchez, might take a big step up this year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 28, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

sure, the last thread is s l o w

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

damn! that's F'd up...he should be cut on that alone...where is Roger on this?...if he can suspend Vick why is Scott in the league?

Bullsh!t justice!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 1:29 PM
It's one of those situations where it's "alleged" but generally believed to be true, but not provable. So, innocent until proven guilty.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

So Haynesworth will be going with the 2nd team defense during the first bunch of practices? Look for the first “Training camp; Day 1 review” to read like this;

“The 2nd team offense looked terrible and did not complete a pass all day. Rex Grossman threw his helmet down and screamed at the Oline before walking out of practice”

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 28, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn't Fatsworth act like a sensible and rational adult months ago? I like what I am reading but hope he follows through and shows up on the field.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 28, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 1:42 PM

he pleaded guilty, if I remember correctly.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."

Shanahan is still leaving the door wide open. Not changing my prediction.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."

In coach-speak, this sounds like a trade is still being considered.

Usually coaches deliver non-committal pablum like "Albert is a Redskin" or "We look forward to seeing Albert contribute."

"We'll see" is pretty non-committal too, but not exactly positive either.

Curious to hear the full press conference.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Gosh,
I'm just glad there's something for me to worry about.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 28, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has no choice but to get in line with the Redskins. He is contractually obligated, so coming in disgruntled isn't going to solve anything, especially if he still wants to be traded. If he is in good shape like we have heard, the physical/conditioning test shouldn't even be an issue.

Interesting Shanny said "we'll see"... that sounds a little bitter.

Posted by: tony325 | July 28, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Todd - I don't know who his agent is, but this whole stank smells suspiciously like Rosebergian tactics.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If Albert sacks Romo in week one, all will be foregiven I suspect.....

Posted by: gr8fullted | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

he pleaded guilty, if I remember correctly.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:47 PM
You're right, my bad. He plead guilty to child endangerment. His sentencing was supposed to be 4 days ago. I wonder why we haven't got any report on that.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the trade possibility seems to me not in the next offseason, but before week 6 this year.

He shows well, does what we ask and we get an offer of a 2nd... he is gone. No offer of a 2nd, we keep him and try again in the offseason.

If he doesnt show well or becomes a malcontent during the season, we ruin his carrer.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Thin Albert has got it goin' now. The Cowgirls and Eagles should be scared of the Skins and GMen getting back at the top this year.

Prediction: Thin Albert knocks out Tony Oh-No in the 1st game! Got git 'em Albert!

Posted by: terptek | July 28, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth must pass a physical before he can practice Thursday."


I believe old timers call this the "Has he puked yet?....No....Run some more then" physical.

Posted by: 4-12 | July 28, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Thin Albert has got it goin' now. The Cowgirls and Eagles should be scared of the Skins and GMen getting back at the top this year.

Prediction: Thin Albert knocks out Tony Oh-No in the 1st game! Go git 'em Albert!

Posted by: terptek | July 28, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM

mol at the double-team on "We'll see"

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Well Haynesworth does bring youth to a George-Allen-esque over-the-hill gang on defense.

Posted by: periculum | July 28, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I say we try for 4 sacks on rHomo:

DE Fat Al
DE Jamon
LB oSACKpo
NT Fat Al

muaaa ha ha ha ha ha

And Stompy walks off the field pickin' his teeth with one of rHomo's ribs...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 28, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."

In coach-speak, this sounds like a trade is still being considered.

Usually coaches deliver non-committal pablum like "Albert is a Redskin" or "We look forward to seeing Albert contribute."

"We'll see" is pretty non-committal too, but not exactly positive either.

Curious to hear the full press conference.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"We'll see" is most definitely not positive. I agree somewhat with Wise from his column earlier this week-Shanahan needs to give a little to make this work. It isn't very palatable to say, but it's in the best interest of team success.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 28, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The question is does he show up motivated. There was concern when he was a free agent that he would become lazy once he got a big contract. He was good last year but not as good as he was prior to the contract.

He is also saying all the right things because he does not want to give the Redskins any reason to come after his money. I am reading it like this. I will show up and do what I am supposed to do but I would still like to be traded to a team that runs a 4-3.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 28, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn't Fatsworth act like a sensible and rational adult months ago? I like what I am reading but hope he follows through and shows up on the field.

Posted by: ToddStinkston
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Haynesworth has been acting sensibily and rationally but on incorrect information. He assumed that Allen and Shanahan would be overruled by Snyder; then he assumed that he would be traded to another team at a financial loss to the Redskins. Last year's fiasco and loss of revenue have scared Snyder; and loss of Wormtounge, I mean, Cerrato, means he's getting better advice.

I also suspect that the bills are coming due and the only way AH can pay them is to play.

Posted by: GABinOdenton | July 28, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 28, 2010 1:58 PM

my guess is that zeebs is on the right track. MS and BS have game-planned a number of scenarios, any of which could happen depending on AH's performance/attitude and interest from other teams.... sort of like chess, but many more pieces.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Darrion Scott update: On the 24th, he was fined $200 for the plastic bag over his 2 year old son's head incident. During the same sentencing, he was fined an additional $450 stemming from 2 traffic incidents. I wonder what kind of traffic incidents are worthy of a bigger fine than almost suffocating your son with a bag?

He has also received a three game suspension under the NFL's personal conduct policy.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

That's a pretty big chess board...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 28, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

You're right, my bad. He plead guilty to child endangerment. His sentencing was supposed to be 4 days ago. I wonder why we haven't got any report on that.


Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM
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we haven't heard because JReid and company have thier head so far up Hayney's a$$ they can smell nothing else that's cooking...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"We'll see?" Come on I want this guy on the team! It seems that things are falling in the right place, he's a huge asset. I think it's just shanahan playing a wild card, we'll see. lol

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 28, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Even if Stompy is still trying to work the exit strategy, he still has to see that professional compliance is his only real play at this point.

...unless I'm missing something. Other ideas?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 28, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan, asked Wednesday about his conversation with Haynesworth, said it "went well." He said of Haynesworth: "He's here, he's ready to go."

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."
__________________________________________________________
Translation: As soon as we get a suitable offer for him, we can't wait to get rid of him.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 28, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Is Al going to address the team? Lorenzo Alexander on the Sports Fix a few weeks ago, when asked what Al could do to get back in the good graces of the team, said that he'd have to show up, in shape and ready to play, and that he'd have to address the team and to explain himself. I don't know if Al has that in him.

Posted by: RunRiggoRun | July 28, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth lined up backwards with one hand tied behind his back and ran the wrong way on every play he'd still outplay any of the other defensive lineman wearing Burgundy and Gold this year. Phillip Daniels - child please!

Posted by: coparker5 | July 28, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

.. dead or alive Haynesworth will be a Skins this year. Think about that for a while.

Posted by: abxinc |

I did and I think it's not your call.

BUT, the odds of your prediction being true have gone up with the improved health of Kemoeatu.

If he's starting at nose, and Al's in shape, and dominating at DE, bygones may well be bygones for the greater good.

If Al then moves over to the middle on passing downs without complaint and with enthusiasm and carnage, Mike takes that as a defacto apology, and keeps him knowing that a great season for Al is win-win-win. It helps justify Mike's boss's huge financial outlay, It helps Mike's team win, and enhances Al's trade value NEXT year.

Posted by: TheCork | July 28, 2010 1:54 PM |

Posted by: TheCork | July 28, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan, asked Wednesday about his conversation with Haynesworth, said it "went well." He said of Haynesworth: "He's here, he's ready to go."

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."
__________________________________________________________
Translation: As soon as we get a suitable offer for him, we can't wait to get rid of him.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 28, 2010 2:10 PM
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re-Translation: none of your F'ing business

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."

Would it have killed the dude to say: "We hope so"; "That's the plan"; "Yes"?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey coparker, How's that T.O. thing going?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

well romo abd bigfoot;

we truly have not seen anything. just fodder so far. no matter how in shape he looks and how good he will say he will be, the proof is in the actions, not words.

So shanny saying we will see is just par for the course... and we all should be so shrewd in forgiving him of all wrong doing just cause he SAYS a couple things.

But at least showing uip and talking is a start...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I finally decided to dump my season tix that I've had since the new stadium opened and got calls from the ticket office every day for a month making sure that I wanted to give them up. Haven't heard from them for a while, and now they just called again. Anyone really think there is still a waiting list?

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Would it have killed the dude to say: "We hope so"; "That's the plan"; "Yes"?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 2:14 PM
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I think Shanny likes to keep the BS going..
JReid will have compitition the year for "Bullsh!t Artist of the year"...as Shanny said compitition at every position!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

in a recent interview over at redskins.com, Jarmon said he was at 295 lbs now and was playing defensive end in our new scheme, not linebacker

Posted by: altarkenton | July 28, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 2:20 PM

depends on the seats.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I smell a trade coming.

The way to get another team to give closer to proper value is for AH to come in, not act the fool, and show that he is onboard and a team guy. If he truly wants out, then that is the best way for him to proceed, as the Redskins have shown they are not gonna roll over and completely beeyotch out.

If another team is not willing to pay the Redskins close to value(they wont ever get true value for him), then he is in the fold.

W/ Maake making progress, and the other options we have at Dline, AH is expendable if the Redskins can get a reasonable return for him.

Seems the Redskins are holding all the cards here.

Bo Bruce Go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 28, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Before the Minicamp he skipped, they had Fat Albert scheduled for his physical at 6:00 am. I'm thinking that they should push it up to 5:00 am this time.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

moo cow, you're not a bama, you're the friendlies cow in teeown! (baltimore accent) If Red had been serious about tipping you when you sleep, I'd have said something...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 28, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

jcn;

you see bullsh$t artist; i see someone who doesnt want to answer yes to him being a skin then have to trade him.... then look like a liar.

Just a smart man covering his bases...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Top 10 defense again.

Way more turnovers.

11 wins

4-2 in the division.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kanoehe, since Maake makes his home in HI, do you get any local news reports concerning him? Did the fact that Ray Wright went out there to work with him get any coverage?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Kassmaster - my dream of seeing McNabb throwing TD's to T.O. against the Eagles and Cowboys is dead. I can't wait to see Joey Galloway, Bobby Wade and Mike Furrey light up the Giants.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 28, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

depends on the seats.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 2:24 PM

Regular seats, section 402. I didn't answer this time, but I'm sure they weren't calling to see how I'm doing.

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:27 PM

He wouldn't look like a liar unless he already has a trade in place. But no one would fault him if he said yes and things changed. Why keep sjk going unnecessarily.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I smell a trade coming.

The way to get another team to give closer to proper value is for AH to come in, not act the fool, and show that he is onboard and a team guy. If he truly wants out, then that is the best way for him to proceed, as the Redskins have shown they are not gonna roll over and completely beeyotch out.

If another team is not willing to pay the Redskins close to value(they wont ever get true value for him), then he is in the fold.

W/ Maake making progress, and the other options we have at Dline, AH is expendable if the Redskins can get a reasonable return for him.

Seems the Redskins are holding all the cards here.

Bo Bruce Go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 28, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how you think he is expendable. They've already shelled out 21 million dollars that they are absolutely not going to get back. Yes, Maake is a solid nose tackle but you make it seem like our line would be just as good if we didn't have him. shanahan wouldn't think twice about benching him if he doesn't produce. Why not at least try? The rest of the team doesn't seem to care either way so how can you say he's going to be a locker room poison?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 28, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse


rickyroge = Moss on the tree that my dog's piss turned brown and died.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 28, 2010 2:27 PM

hey hon, here's a tune for you, an old work colleague from balmer who had a pseudonymous double-life as a punk rock queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfpjA83RBc&feature=related

unfortunately, WaPo won't let me link to some of the more ribald stuff...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

In Bmore you can order a Mary Prankster they give you a natty boh...

Posted by: Stu27 | July 28, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

.. dead or alive Haynesworth will be a Skins this year. Think about that for a while.

Posted by: abxinc |

I did and I think it's not your call.
Posted by: TheCork | July 28, 2010 1:54 PM

You have a point, it is not my call but remember I have repeated the same line for about 3 months, why? Any sensible CEO of any corporate America knows quite enough about "profit and loss," so why would Shanahan incur a loss to his new owner by inappropriate handling of Haynesworth. To sum this up, and again, dead or alive Haynesworth will be a Skins this year, that's the most sensible thing to do, also, Shanahan needs Haynesworth like Gibbs needed Riggins. One love, Hail.

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Said it before. Don't care if Albert is happy. If he's in shape and plays like the $100million beast Danny hoped for when the deal got done, I'm good.

Shanahan is smart not to let all the 'bygones be bygones' until Albert does something more than show up for camp. Let the fat boy show he's a difference maker, game in, game out. Bury the hatchet around the trade deadline in week 6.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

You can't honestly expect Maake to lock down the the nose tackle position all year - that would be like the people who expected Samuels and Johnson to hold down tackle and guard last year. Skins will do well to get 4-5 games out of Maake this year.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 28, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

If I were in Shanahan's shoes, I would have long ago made calls to all of Fat Albert's former coaches asking them to tell me everything they know about Albert. His work ethic, locker room personality, strengths, weaknesses...anything they could tell me. I would have talked to any of his veteran teamates who would talk to me, and get their impressions of Albert. I'm guessing that Shanahan knows an awful lot about Fat Albert for someone who has had very little actual contact with the man.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here is a analogy to their situation.

Your girl leaves you, says she doesnt want you.

Then she comes back and says she does. But you aint seen nothing yet.

Someone asks if you are together... you would say yes? No? We'll see?

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | July 28, 2010 2:45 PM

don't miss Natty Boh... not that Kokanee is so great either.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If I were in Shanahan's shoes, I would have long ago made calls to all of Fat Albert's former coaches asking them to tell me everything they know about Albert. His work ethic, locker room personality, strengths, weaknesses...anything they could tell me. I would have talked to any of his veteran teamates who would talk to me, and get their impressions of Albert. I'm guessing that Shanahan knows an awful lot about Fat Albert for someone who has had very little actual contact with the man.

Posted by: kaasmaster

I'm guessing you nailed it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear Daniel Snyder

Just to let you know that we won't be fooled again.

We appreciate that you've signed another high-priced free agent this off-season, just as you have for the past several years.

We also note that you've brought back another "legendary" coach this year, just as you have in several earlier seasons -- along with a sort of son-of-legend to run your front office.

We also note that you've hung a new scoreboard at the stadium, moved ST21's locker to the yellow tier, and moved Vinny's office out of public view.

For most Redskins fans, this would all be cause for unbridled optimism, just as we have experienced in previous seasons... that is, until the team took the field.

Trouble is, championships are won on the field -- by the players -- and we have yet to see any real improvements to the roster. Just another bunch of tired old free agents joining the current bunch of tired old free agents to be...

Am curious to know if CP26 is still using your bathroom as his personal jacuzzi this season?

Am also curious to know if you will again be seeking AH92's personal advice and recommendations on what the coaching staff should be doing?

In short, am curious to know whether we'll again hear your annual pronouncements on how you've learned your lessons about the responsibilities of ownership, the need to preserve team unity and avoid meddling in matters you don't have a clue about.

Am also wondering what sort of new restraints you'll put on fans who dare to visit the stadium this season -- and how you'll explain away all of the empty seats -- after another disappointing run at futility.

I realize you don't owe anyone any answers because after all, it is still your team to run as you see fit.

But after 10 seasons and counting of your crap, you will pardon me if I don't drink the koolaid.

Sincerely

Sick With It

Posted by: Vic1 | July 28, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

All Albert has to do is realize that a smart D-Coordinator is going to let this guy get his numbers.

Does he really think Haslett doesn't know what he can do?

We have a defensive tackle/end, whatever, that can get at the QB.

Like I said, Tony Romo will be motorboating his man boobs week 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Asked if Haynesworth would be a part of the team in 2010, Shanahan replied: “We’ll see. We’re going to give him every opportunity to show us what he can do. Hopefully he’ll like the position that we play him in and he’ll give us everything he’s got.”

Shanahan said he was “very pleased” with Haynesworth’s mindset coming out of Wednesday’s meeting.

“He’s going to have to buy in and play [defense] the way we want it to be played,” Shanahan said. “If he does that, then he can help us win.”

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Something else of interest from the audio vault i will have to check out was Doc Walkers opening segment with JT.

Said he sat with Haslett and they discussed much. Missed most of it but the last part was about RMac and how he will be given much more freedom to blitz this year and ultimately with Po blitzing from the right, he will still be responsible for the right side pursuit, TE and RB

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If Albert sacks Romo in week one, all will be foregiven I suspect.....

Posted by: gr8fullted | July 28, 2010 1:53 PM |

Especially if he shoves one of Romo's shinbones through his neck.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 28, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

What a misleading quote. Here is what Shanahan said in the interview

Asked if Haynesworth would be a part of the team in 2010, Shanahan replied: “We’ll see. We’re going to give him every opportunity to show us what he can do. Hopefully he’ll like the position that we play him in and he’ll give us everything he’s got.”

Shanahan said he was “very pleased” with Haynesworth’s mindset coming out of Wednesday’s meeting.

“He’s going to have to buy in and play [defense] the way we want it to be played,” Shanahan said. “If he does that, then he can help us win.”

Posted by: oldtimer4 | July 28, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Coparker,
When Jon Jansen came back after missing a season with his Achilles tear, He started all 16 regular season games plus two playoff games. What reason do you have to suspect that Maake can't do the same?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here is a analogy to their situation.

Your girl leaves you, says she doesnt want you.

Then she comes back and says she does. But you aint seen nothing yet.

Someone asks if you are together... you would say yes? No? We'll see?

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:49 PM
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one question....did he give the b!tch 32 million...or 32 dollars?
32 million she aint going nowhere until i say so....
32 dollars...get the fcuk out!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

We appreciate that you've signed another high-priced free agent this off-season, just as you have for the past several years.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 28, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse
That was a trade, not some massive contract for an over-the-hill player.

Trust me, with McNabb getting us to the playoffs the next 2-3 years, we will not miss that 2nd round pick.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Albert will have to play his way out of Washington. Even if he has a great season, finding a trading partner will be tough given his contract. Needless to say this is not a trade that MS or BA (Shanallen) would have made, but it is a mess they have to clean up.

MS is just keeping the pressure on AH with his rhetoric..."we'll see."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 28, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Good! Now we can get back to hearing about what he actually does on the field. It's ridiculous how much coverage this non-story has gotten this whole off-season. Com’on they’re called “voluntary” workouts for a reason. Ladanlian Tomlinson, Brett Favre, and Donovan McNabb are just a few NFL superstars who have traditionally worked out away from their teams in the off-season (plus everybody who has played at the U). But yet none of them gets any of the ridicule and hate that this man has gotten from the media and fans all off-season long, without even seeing how prepared he would be when it really counts.

Its sad, because he's reported in terrific shape, and he says he's ready to go, like he's been saying he would be. But even after this has been reported, all I'm hearing is hate on both of the primary sports radio channels today... not from the fans, who are calling in with positive messages, but from the homo hosts.

I blame the DC media (print and radio) for fanning the negativity and Witch-Hunt mentality around here, like they always do. Yet they like to throw around monikers like “Home of the Redskins”?… freakin hypocrites! No wonder we can’t keep a good team around… anybody who has been affiliated with the team for the past 10 to 15 years only gets criticized by the press so much that they eventually get chased out of town. Where is the support?

Even poor ol’ Joe Gibbs… he took the team to the playoffs 2 of 4 years he was back (2004 – 2007), yet to hear the local media tell it, his term was horrible. Ok, if it was so horrible, then why are teams like Philly and Dallas always anointed as being so great, when they each went to the playoffs the same number of times over the same stretch (2 out of 4 years), and neither of those team won any titles in that stretch or since then either. But yet, this year most of the local media are anointing them ahead of the Redskins again. The DC Sports media blows fat ones! I wish they would all just move to Philly and Dallas!

Posted by: PhemonSkinsFan | July 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oldtimer4 | July 28, 2010 2:57 PM

definitely more nuanced, but still coach-speak... hearing it that way, sounds like a challenge for AH to man up and play ball.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

all I'm hearing is hate on both of the primary sports radio channels today... not from the fans, who are calling in with positive messages, but from the homo hosts.

Posted by: PhemonSkinsFan | July 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

You catch the irony in this sentence, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 2:49 PM

C'mon son. Comparing emotions/feelings and business. Not remotely similar.

Skins have a lot of money invested in Albert, who is one of the two best, if not the best, players on D. Can't get equal value for him. He comes in contrite and in shape and d-coord (who has total control over the D) has been talking to him and is going to accommodate him. Why posture to the media? Let it go already and let's get this thing poppin'.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

all I'm hearing is hate on both of the primary sports radio channels today... not from the fans, who are calling in with positive messages, but from the homo hosts.

Posted by: PhemonSkinsFan | July 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know hessone had his own sports talk show.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, with McNabb getting us to the playoffs the next 2-3 years, we will not miss that 2nd round pick.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 2:59 PM
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agreed

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 2:20 PM

Sounds like you had club level seats.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 28, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

i dunno;

I have a feeling coaching is more than a business to coaches. They give a lot of themselves to the profession.

Dungy and Vermeil were proof of that.

But it was a simple analogy. Dont read too much into it...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Fat Albert is "Reaching Out" for is more food.

Posted by: nativedc | July 28, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

To err is human, forgiveness is divine. To those that are ready to dehumanize Haynesworth, think twice; may whomever never done anything wrong in life cast the first stone, I'll be here to throw the stone right back at you, you have been warned. Let the craziness begin tomorrow, can't wait to welcome Haynesworth back into the fold. Dead or alive, Haynesworth will be a Skins this year!

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 10:17 AM

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Is it tomorrow yet?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 28, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse


To err is human, forgiveness is divine. To those that are ready to dehumanize Haynesworth, think twice; may whomever never done anything wrong in life cast the first stone, I'll be here to throw the stone right back at you, you have been warned. Let the craziness begin tomorrow, can't wait to welcome Haynesworth back into the fold. Dead or alive, Haynesworth will be a Skins this year!

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 10:17 AM

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 3:11 PM
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you tell'em Rev!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess it's nice to hear that there's a Kumbyah session at the Park as opposed to hold-out threats, trade demands and ultimatums.

Still. I will believe it when I see it.

AH lost the benefit of the doubt in my book, and from here on out I don't care what he says to people.

He got shown the money...now he needs to show the money...

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Exactly

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 28, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Is it tomorrow yet?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 28, 2010 3:12 PM
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LOL..funny..but it feels like yesterday

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has to stay healthy during training camp, get in playing shape, and play many more downs during the season.

I'm tired of the ole fake injury and come back in a few plays; acting like your playing through pain.

Haynesworth has so much to prove.....

Posted by: Rando | July 28, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

To err is human, forgiveness is divine. To those that are ready to dehumanize Haynesworth, think twice; may whomever never done anything wrong in life cast the first stone, I'll be here to throw the stone right back at you, you have been warned. Let the craziness begin tomorrow, can't wait to welcome Haynesworth back into the fold. Dead or alive, Haynesworth will be a Skins this year!

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 10:17 AM


Thank you, Oswald Bates, for joining the discussion.


Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking I'll be watching the second team defense a lot closer than originally planned tomorrow.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 28, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

In other news, Redskins officials admonished Albert Buttersworth not to impregnate any strippers, stomp any heads, beat up any wives, or drive drunk during practice. After practice, anything goes.

Your 2010 Washington Redskins: Proudly wearing the uniforms that real Redskins once wore.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | July 28, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Even if he has a great season, finding a trading partner will be tough given his contract.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 28, 2010 3:00 PM

Actually, now that the 21 million bonus has been paid, his contract is quite trade friendly. His salary for this year is scheduled to be only 3.6 million, 5.4 million in 2011 (with no bonus money due), and 6.7 million in 2012 (plus 500 thousand bonus money due). Thats only 13.2 million over three years. Relatively cheap for a player of Fat Albert's supposed quality.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is smart not to let all the 'bygones be bygones' until Albert does something more than show up for camp. Let the fat boy show he's a difference maker, game in, game out. Bury the hatchet around the trade deadline in week 6.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse


Pretty much.

Right now what we have is a guy with a bad attitude, a history of poor work ethic who doesn't know your defense and wants to be traded.

The burden is on him to prove otherwise.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think it would be nice to send bigAL to Mike Singletary' How to Be a Real Man in the NFL camp. Or the Ray Lewis seminar on Being an NFL Man, EARN IT.

Posted by: Rando | July 28, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like you had club level seats.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 28, 2010 3:08 PM

Nope...regular upper deckers that I had for 12 years...and they basically refused to want to hear that I didn't want them anymore...there is no longer a waiting list...can't be.

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Even if he has a great season, finding a trading partner will be tough given his contract.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 28, 2010 3:00 PM

Actually, now that the 21 million bonus has been paid, his contract is quite trade friendly. His salary for this year is scheduled to be only 3.6 million, 5.4 million in 2011 (with no bonus money due), and 6.7 million in 2012 (plus 500 thousand bonus money due). Thats only 13.2 million over three years. Relatively cheap for a player of Fat Albert's supposed quality.


Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 3:23 PM


Kassmaster, wouldn't that be more reasons to keep him, rather than trade him?

Posted by: Rando | July 28, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Nope...regular upper deckers that I had for 12 years...and they basically refused to want to hear that I didn't want them anymore...there is no longer a waiting list...can't be.

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse


The waiting list is a farce.

My family stopped renewing season tickets years ago and never put ourselves back on a list...we still get mail from the REdskins basically begging us to "take advantage" of the great season tix opportunities that have come back around to us.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Everyone hating on Haney because he chose to work out in Tenn. That was his right...he came in last off-season and tried the Skins' program and wasn't able to get in very good shape and it showed during the season.."ala the plays off"...he made it clear that the BEST thing for him which in turn is the BEST thing for the Redskins is too work with his gut to get in the Best possible shape. He apparently has done that by evidence of the weight lost. OK..he missed 1 mandatory mini camp...but he's here now and ready to work...so all you hating, faking to be fans need to stop,look and listen to what happens from here on...or don't cheer for him or buy his jersey or anything...be true to your hate of Big AL..but as crab fans do...you wont..you'll be back on the Mr. Haney wagon buying sh!t as usual ....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep Stompy away from Lewis! Don't want any shankin' someone on a lark....

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 28, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kanoehe, since Maake makes his home in HI, do you get any local news reports concerning him? Did the fact that Ray Wright went out there to work with him get any coverage?


Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Not a peep. Big news is that the Black Pearl, of Johhny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow fame, is here in K' Bay filming. I've been directed by the ceo of house.com that WE ARE going to take a look at it this pm.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse


The waiting list is a farce.

My family stopped renewing season tickets years ago and never put ourselves back on a list...we still get mail from the REdskins basically begging us to "take advantage" of the great season tix opportunities that have come back around to us.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:31 PM

I guess I'm going to have to change my phone number, email address and move out of state to get off his marketing lists lists now haha...I know peeps think we are talking about club seats...they aren't...like you said they were begging me not to give up my upper level 45 yard line seats...and now calling again 2 months later...doesn't sound like there's a waiting list to me

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


What are you talking about?

I, more than anyone, was up here for months waving the AH flag. The turning point was NOT failing to come to OTAs; the turning point was when AH threw the slim shady at all of Redskins Nation and said he didn;t want to be on the team anymore 2 months after taking a $21 million check...

I am a fan...a real fan. That's why some who tells me that they don't want to be a Redskin is free to snap a cell phone shot of my slim shady on their way out of town.

If he really wants to be part of the team; he needs to (1) prove it on the field and (2) tell everyone he regrets asking for a trade.

Otherwise, all I see is a mercenary who will play here b/c he's trapped...that, my friend, is not the kind of guy a real fan would embrace.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

You bleed optimism. Get ready to crash about week 10. If we reach 9-7, I'm thrilled. If we do any better than that, it could be playoff time again in DC ! I'm not going to set myself up again for the big let down.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

..Well, ALRIGHTY THEN!! Let's get the Haynesworth ready for the track , primed and purring for the regular season..Stamina was a serious issue under the Laissez-Faire Zorn Regime, let's everybody ZUMBAAAA!!! And a 1!! And a 2!!!..

Posted by: frak | July 28, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm going to have to change my phone number, email address and move out of state to get off his marketing lists lists now haha...I know peeps think we are talking about club seats...they aren't...like you said they were begging me not to give up my upper level 45 yard line seats...and now calling again 2 months later...doesn't sound like there's a waiting list to me

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse


We were lower bowl, not club level.

The waiting list is fiction. I remember reading an RI post where the Redskins FO at the time (Snerratto and Co.) said that the waiting list is real and they keep it in binders under lock and key in some kind of vault/safe.

If you have a real waiting list that you are working from, why on God's green earth would you (1) keep it in binders as opposed to a database and (2) kepp it under lock/key where no one can get to it.

What a sham. I bet it's sitting in that vault...right next to the Holy Grail and Hoffa's skeleton.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM

fun flicks, will be looking for your cameo...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@ p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM

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Then what i said doesn't apply to you...I agree he needs to do those things you mention..but all the player need to do that...I'm speaking to those who wants him off the team and buried...those who seem to feel they are owed something more than that

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: PlayAction

there is no longer a waiting list...can't be.

Hey ih8, $nyder is up to his same old tricks, like lying about the season ticket waiting list. You sure you trust this guy $nyder ?

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to set myself up again for the big let down.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM

Wussy

Posted by: TWISI | July 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:44 PM

you forgot the lost Ark of the Covenant.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The waiting list is a farce.

My family stopped renewing season tickets years ago and never put ourselves back on a list...we still get mail from the REdskins basically begging us to "take advantage" of the great season tix opportunities that have come back around to us.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse
________

It took me I think 6 years to get my season tickets in the '90s-00s. I eventually didn't renew, and the ticket office only came back to me once or twice with a new regular tix offer a season or two later, although I also got one or two premium ticket offers.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 28, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to set myself up again for the big let down.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM

You sound like Meredith Grey.

we're going 11-5 hessinator

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how you think he is expendable. They've already shelled out 21 million dollars that they are absolutely not going to get back. Yes, Maake is a solid nose tackle but you make it seem like our line would be just as good if we didn't have him. shanahan wouldn't think twice about benching him if he doesn't produce. Why not at least try? The rest of the team doesn't seem to care either way so how can you say he's going to be a locker room poison?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 28, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The 21 mil is what is known as a "sunk cost". In poker terms, that money is already in the pot and no future decision can be based upon having already put some of your stack in the pot. That money is gone.

The DLine does not an entire team make. Would the DLline be better with a productive AH? Absolutely. Would the team be better off without AH DEPENDING on what was received for him in any possible trade? Again, absolutely yes. The key and unknown variable is what may be received for AH in a trade.

Your advocacy of simply benching an unproductive AH doesnt make sense. Better to a) see him dominate b) trade him for value. To C) let him waste away as a festering pizzed off cancer, which is what would occur, is dumb.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 28, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse


Wussy

Posted by: TWISI

You are what you eat !

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Kassmaster, wouldn't that be more reasons to keep him, rather than trade him?

Posted by: Rando | July 28, 2010 3:30 PM

The purpose of my post was to contest _Stumped_'s assertion theat his contract would make it difficult to trade him.

Saying we shouldn't trade him because we're only going to have to pay him what we already agreed to pay him isn't much of an argument either for or against a trade.

The question is weather the coaches believe he will give a total effort, not be a negative influence, and cooperate fully with the coaches and do what is asked and expected of him in the defensive scheme. To date, Albert has NOT lived up to those commitments.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to set myself up again for the big let down.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM


Forget you, then. Go become a Browns fan.

This is Redskins Nation, baby.

It's the offseason, and as far as I'm concerned we're winning the Superbowl...just like every year!

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to set myself up again for the big let down.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 3:39 PM


Forget you, then. Go become a Browns fan.

This is Redskins Nation, baby.

It's the offseason, and as far as I'm concerned we're winning the Superbowl...just like every year!

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:56 PM

Come on...the big letdown is half of the fun!!

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Oswald Bates, for joining the discussion.


Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:18 PM


You are mush welcome professor simpleton.

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Its simple really. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me right? Shanahan has bee ndown this path several months ago. Haynesworth said the same thing back then, and then took the money and turned into a little biatch the rest of the off season. Now he is here because he has no choice without losing money and he says the same thing. Can anyone be surprised that Shanahan is a little non committed to AH. It remains to be seen if haynesworth is really here to work, or if he will pout at having to work his way back on the starting team. I hope he does, but i completely see where MS is coming from. "We'll see"

Posted by: dbrine1261 | July 28, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Oswald Bates, for joining the discussion.


Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:18 PM


You are mush welcome professor simpleton.

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


Masticate the sentence.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse


seating capacity RFK = 56692
seating capacity FedEx = 91704

This could be ONE reason there's no waiting list. Attendance at FedEx peaked when Gibbs came back, holding at just above 700,000 per year, until last year. Attendance fell to 678,352 last year. I think the product has more to do with no waiting list than the larger stadium. If the Redskins win big, the list will be back. Just check out our friends over at the Verizon Center. The Caps sold out of all season tickets, and there's a waiting list.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:56 PM

Come on...the big letdown is half of the fun!!

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Spoken like someone who wasn't around for the Gibbs Superbowl era...

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Forget you, then. Go become a Browns fan.

This is Redskins Nation, baby.

It's the offseason, and as far as I'm concerned we're winning the Superbowl...just like every year!

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 3:56 PM

Over/Under on which week we say "oh well, there's always next year"?

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse


Masticate the sentence.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:11 PM |

Chew on it. Back to the main.

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins win big, the list will be back. Just check out our friends over at the Verizon Center. The Caps sold out of all season tickets, and there's a waiting list.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse


If the Redskins would take a page from Abe Pollin and build a new stadium in DC, that would probably boost things tremendoulsy.

The product and ownership has sucked.

But one of the key factors in my family deciding to not renew tix (which we had since the RFK days) was that the gameday experience was crappy - sitting on 495 and filing through the parking lot for 3 hours to get in and out of a stadium built in the middle of a field somewhere in Maryland...seriously? I have to spend $14 on a hotdog and Coke to get fed???

At Verizon Center you can at least enjoy the DC ambiance. The game itself might stink, but you jumped the metro into the city and had a nice outing. If you don't want to pay for stadium food there are X number of eating/drinking options around Verizon that you can enjoy.

...you get my drift.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

For those that are sad about Haynesworth, go in your bathroom and eat whatever came out of your anus. Funk that!

Posted by: abxinc | July 28, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse


@ iH8dallas

You sound like a $nyder Zombie Fan.

@p1funk, PlayAction, TWISI,

You guy's are at least sensible and not thinking 11-5. That's why no let down for hess. I figure anything better than last year is welcome.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Spoken like someone who wasn't around for the Gibbs Superbowl era...

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:14 PM

Well I cried...threw a temper tantrum...and couldn't goto school the next day after SB18 if that answers your question haha

Posted by: PlayAction | July 28, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins would take a page from Abe Pollin and build a new stadium in DC, that would probably boost things tremendoulsy.

...you get my drift.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:21 PM
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Exactly....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

seating capacity RFK = 56692
seating capacity FedEx = 91704

This could be ONE reason there's no waiting list. Attendance at FedEx peaked when Gibbs came back, holding at just above 700,000 per year, until last year. Attendance fell to 678,352 last year. I think the product has more to do with no waiting list than the larger stadium. If the Redskins win big, the list will be back. Just check out our friends over at the Verizon Center. The Caps sold out of all season tickets, and there's a waiting list.

Posted by: hessone

I've done a good bit of discussing the wait list in ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES over the past couple years and agree that's its probably not what Danny wants the public to believe.

The large stadium (biggest in the NFL) is one of several reasons. Among the the others is a lack of goodwill towards the fan base, a poor product for a generation (if you became a fan at age 7 in 1993, how many playoff wins have you seen?), poor gameday experience at FedEx.

The issue is that the wait list is what makes the asset (ie the Redskins franchise) valuable. Demand exceeding supply means you've got a premium product. Supply exceeds demand and you've got a commodity.

Right now, Danny is leaving 'premium' territory and moving to 'commodity' territory. Which is why Shanahan is so important to Danny and why Shanahan holds the power in the relationship with Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I have to spend $14 on a hotdog and Coke to get fed???

um...actually no, no you don't. Its a choice, and you CHOSE to do it, then whine about it later....

I can't understand guys who complain about the cost of a beer/food at any stadium....you know you DON'T have to buy it...its NOT required....sounds like a whiney b*tch....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I have to spend $14 on a hotdog and Coke to get fed???

At Verizon Center you can at least enjoy the DC ambiance. The game itself might stink, but you jumped the metro into the city and had a nice outing. If you don't want to pay for stadium food there are X number of eating/drinking options around Verizon that you can enjoy.

...you get my drift.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:21 PM
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and after that ESPN story on stadium food...no one should eat that sh!t..
...get my drift?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan also said all players are healthy enough to be at camp including safety LaRon Landry and linebacker Jeremy Jarmon."

Jeremy Jarmon is up to 290+ and will be playing defensive end and NOT linebacker.

Posted by: eazy413 | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"OK..he missed 1 mandatory mini camp...but he's here now and ready to work...so all you hating, faking to be fans need to stop,look and listen to what happens from here on...or don't cheer for him or buy his jersey or anything...be true to your hate of Big AL..but as crab fans do...you wont..you'll be back on the Mr. Haney wagon buying sh!t as usual ...."

That he is here now and apparently ready to work doesn't change the fact that he is an ass. However, I root for the uniform, not the individual player. So when a Redskin records a sack, scores a TD or makes a big play, I will cheer, even if it's Haynesworthless, misogynist homophobe Larry Johnson, or even the plastic-bag-on-the-kid's-head-guy (if he makes the team). Because I am truer to the 'Skins than I am to the dislike of any individual player.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Listen to Shanahan on this one ("we'll see"), before you get all warm and fuzzy.

All we KNOW so far is that he has caused a major distraction, snatched a check for $21 mil and tried to get traded.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | July 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan also said all players are healthy enough to be at camp including safety LaRon Landry and linebacker Jeremy Jarmon."

Jeremy Jarmon is up to 290+ and will be playing defensive end and NOT linebacker.

Posted by: eazy413 | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM
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ground breaking!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse


...you get my drift.

Posted by: p1funk

Loud and clear my friend. I use to bring in 2 thermos's with me to RFK. One had chili in it and the other held 8 cans of Budweiser, in the push button thermos. It was tuff getting the cans back out of the top, but we thought we were the shet saving money. FedEx changed it all though.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@ iH8dallas

You sound like a $nyder Zombie Fan.

@p1funk, PlayAction, TWISI,

You guy's are at least sensible and not thinking 11-5. That's why no let down for hess. I figure anything better than last year is welcome.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

hess- I don't even know what a Zombie Snyder fan is, but I'm not it.

I've rooted for this team since I was old enough to realize what football is.

I can't help who the owner is, and frankly I don't care.

It's fans like you that take the fun out of it.

Honestly, what's your deal?
It's like you're hoping for this team to fail, so you can blame it on Snyder some more.

Do me a favor: Take a valium, have a drink, and when the Skins go 11-5 and reach the playoffs; never spell our owners last name with a dollar sign again.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

@ rufus_t_firefly | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM
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point taken....and that's a good handle..reminds me of Ernest T. Bass from the Andy Griffth show...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I've done a good bit of discussing the wait list in ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES over the past couple years and agree that's its probably not what Danny wants the public to believe.

The large stadium (biggest in the NFL) is one of several reasons. Among the the others is a lack of goodwill towards the fan base, a poor product for a generation (if you became a fan at age 7 in 1993, how many playoff wins have you seen?), poor gameday experience at FedEx.

The issue is that the wait list is what makes the asset (ie the Redskins franchise) valuable. Demand exceeding supply means you've got a premium product. Supply exceeds demand and you've got a commodity.

Right now, Danny is leaving 'premium' territory and moving to 'commodity' territory. Which is why Shanahan is so important to Danny and why Shanahan holds the power in the relationship with Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse
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My family had season tix back in the pre-glory days of the late 1970s through the early 1980s, but they were in someone else's name. My father therefore tried at some point in the 1980s to put us on the list for tickets in our own name and he got told by the ticket office that the list was too long and they weren't taking any more names. By the time I had gotten old enough and had enough money to afford my own tickets it was the mid '90s or so, after the Big Jack had opened, and I was a little surprised that it only took 6-7 year, even with the greatly increased capacity. But judging from how fast the ticket office was offering me better seats (and this was several seasons ago), I assumed that the list had shrunk quite a bit. I have to assume that now, with the years of poor teams and mismanagement, which seemed to really boil over last year, there really isn't much of a list anymore. I don't think a newbie could walk up to the ticket office during the offseason and score, but it can't possibly take very long.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 28, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is ready the same way Portis is committed to working hard and having a great season.

Give Haynesworth a ham sandwich and send Portis to a dog fight.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | July 28, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I have to spend $14 on a hotdog and Coke to get fed???

um...actually no, no you don't. Its a choice, and you CHOSE to do it, then whine about it later....

I can't understand guys who complain about the cost of a beer/food at any stadium....you know you DON'T have to buy it...its NOT required....sounds like a whiney b*tch....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse


...sounds like a guy who doesn't live in the DC area and has never had the Redskins season tix experience.

If you actually paid attention to my post instead of firing out of your arse like a know-it-all, then it would be pretty clear that the thrust of my point is that it would be nice to have other eating options around a stadium to improve the gameday experience.

In Raljon, MD, if you want a hotdog and coke around the stadium, you can (1) pack your own or (2) pay $14 at the stadium.

In Washington D.C. around Verizon Center if you want a hotdog and coke, you can (1) pack your own, (2) pay $14 in the stadium or (3) take a nice stroll a block or 2 down and pay $3 at a street vendor.

When you are angling to have a pleasant gameday experience in your hard-earned leisure time, it's nice to have option 3.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 4:37 PM
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Well Said....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

really p1, what gave away that I don't live in the area....was it the 'beantown' in my handle?? been to fedex p1, experienced it.

that being said, STILL don't get the whining, bring your own friggin grille, and make it yourself in the parking lot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

...you get my drift.

Posted by: p1funk

Loud and clear my friend. I use to bring in 2 thermos's with me to RFK. One had chili in it and the other held 8 cans of Budweiser, in the push button thermos. It was tuff getting the cans back out of the top, but we thought we were the shet saving money. FedEx changed it all though.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse


At FedEx I wasn't allowed to carry a bottle of water and a couple cookies that I got from the "Tailgate Club" (which you pay an extra $50 a ticket for) to my seats. Keep in mind, the Tailgate Club is INSIDE THE STADIUM. I tried to, and some security goon regulating the door stopped me like I was transporting explosives onto an airplane.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

....and that's a good handle..reminds me of Ernest T. Bass from the Andy Griffth show...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse


Picture the absolute farthest thing from the Andy Griffith Show to get the true origin of that handle.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 28, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 28, 2010 4:40 PM

There's a bunch of anecdotal evidence that says the wait list is bogus. Your observations add to a pretty large pile of evidence.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

There's a bunch of anecdotal evidence that says the wait list is bogus. Your observations add to a pretty large pile of evidence.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 28, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse
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I think it was legit years ago but has slowly eroded to almost nothing today. That having been said, I cancelled my tickets 3 or 4 seasons ago, and I don't get stuff from them anymore.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 28, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

In Raljon, MD,....

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:41 PM
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does that still exsist?...i thought Danny gave Landover back that zip code when he bought the team

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

that being said, STILL don't get the whining, bring your own friggin grille, and make it yourself in the parking lot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg. These guys are killing me.

It's like complaining about how expensive a Bentley is: DON'T BUY IT.

I've never been to any stadium where the prices are reasonable.

When you go to a movie theater, you know popcorn is like 100 bucks.

Overpriced food in a stadium is nothing new.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

At FedEx I wasn't allowed to carry a bottle of water and a couple cookies that I got from the "Tailgate Club" (which you pay an extra $50 a ticket for) to my seats. Keep in mind, the Tailgate Club is INSIDE THE STADIUM. I tried to, and some security goon regulating the door stopped me like I was transporting explosives onto an airplane.

Posted by: p1funk


Sucks, p1..I remember sneaking whiskey pocket rockets into RFK back in the Gibbs1 era..You can thank the NeoConjobs for the post-9-11 security crackdown..TRUTHERS WILL NEVAH DIE!! But, if you're really serious, you can go Jamaican dope smuggler and go anal..gaaakk!!

Posted by: frak | July 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

really p1, what gave away that I don't live in the area....was it the 'beantown' in my handle?? been to fedex p1, experienced it.

that being said, STILL don't get the whining, bring your own friggin grille, and make it yourself in the parking lot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse


Whatever Bean...I'm not going to get in it with you.

Yeah...obviously your butt is parked in Boston. I don't know how many times you've been to FedEx, I'm sure you've made a pilgrimage here and there and so since it is a special trip for you, you don't mind biting the bullet for the experience.

But you clearly are not part of the crowd locally in DC that has a season-tix Redskins experience that spans a lifetime and crosses over stadiums. Those of us who do know firsthand how the gameday experience has devolved over the years from RFK to FedEX - and it sucks monkey-eggs. We lament the loss of community, aura, and ambiance that used to characterize the gameday experience and made the Redskins more than just a local sports team to pull for.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

....and that's a good handle..reminds me of Ernest T. Bass from the Andy Griffth show...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse


Picture the absolute farthest thing from the Andy Griffith Show to get the true origin of that handle.

Posted by: Original_etrod
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Sanford and Son?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 28, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Sucks, p1..I remember sneaking whiskey pocket rockets into RFK back in the Gibbs1 era..You can thank the NeoConjobs for the post-9-11 security crackdown..TRUTHERS WILL NEVAH DIE!! But, if you're really serious, you can go Jamaican dope smuggler and go anal..gaaakk!!

Posted by: frak | July 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse


Our family used to bring a friggin' picnic basket into RFK.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it....I really don't....its like some people think they're FORCED to go to the games....

you have choices,, don't whine about the choices, but then continue to go to the games....if it upsets you SOOO friggin much...give up the tickets...sit on your couch, and GRILL the BLEEP out of whatever food you want....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse


@ iH8dallas

You let other folks get to you h8. I'm a big fan also, but we all don't think alike. Doesn't matter what $nyder does anymore as far as I'm concerned, he'll always be on my shet list. I understand your position about the upcoming season. And you can get as high as you'd like, all I'm saying is after a decade of $nyder's Redskins football, I'm being careful not to get that high. Think about it 11-5. That's a stretch, but anything can happen in the sports world. Peace my man, and remember, hess is almost always joking around, cuss I'm on cruise control and loving life.

1,2,3, HTTR

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it....I really don't....its like some people think they're FORCED to go to the games....

you have choices,, don't whine about the choices, but then continue to go to the games....if it upsets you SOOO friggin much...give up the tickets...sit on your couch, and GRILL the BLEEP out of whatever food you want....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse


Yes...and thank you for bringing us full circle back to the original point.

People (like myself) are deciding to stay home, grill their own friggin' dogs, and watch the game in high-def.

Ergo, no more waiting list for season tix.

If they want to get that waiting list up and running again, this ex-ticket holder's suggestion is to do some things to improve the gameday experience.

Now why was that so complicated to understand?

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Our family used to bring a friggin' picnic basket into RFK.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't think vendors would sign a contract where this was allowed.

As far as the prices isn't that an ARAMARK/vendor issue? Don't think Dan sets those.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 28, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 28, 2010 5:01 PM

Pot meet kettle. You know you don't have to whine about others' whining, right? You can ignore their posts. Or are you just trying to keep the role for yourself?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 28, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

As far as the prices isn't that an ARAMARK/vendor issue? Don't think Dan sets those.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 28, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

?????

Pretty sure it works like a movie theatre. The owners mark up the concessions as much as they can in order to work the profit margin.

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

We're not whinning about choices or expenses, we're talking about the difference between the RFK experience and the FedEx experience. And if you have been to both venue's, you'll understand where we're coming from. Now you and ih8 lighten up some, jeez.

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

beeps and such...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 28, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Who buys food at the Stadium. It's overpriced, unhealthy, unsanitary, and tastes like garbage.

The tailgate is where it's at. Ribs, Brats, Hebrew Nats, Wings, and plenty of liquid libation.

The only thing we but inside is the $8 dollar beers to keep the pump primed..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 28, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The overpriced concessions, and not alowing in any outside food/drinks is universal to almost ALL venues these days. Fed-Ex field is no different than anywhere else. If the games were still at RFK, it would be the same there now as it is at Fed-Ex. Anything that they can make you buy on premises, rather than allowing you to bring it yourself, they will. I can't count the number of concerts I've been to where you could easily get in with illegal drugs, but god forbid if you try to bring in a bottle of water. I have long ago learned to do all of my eating and drinking in the parking lot before I go into an event. It's just part of modern life.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 28, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

If they want to get that waiting list up and running again, this ex-ticket holder's suggestion is to do some things to improve the gameday experience.

Now why was that so complicated to understand?

Posted by: p1funk | July 28, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse
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Don't take this as me trying to claim that the game-day experience is great at FedEx, but isn't that exactly what they're trying to do? I think that the new replay boards will at least help to make the experience at FedEx slightly more pleasant.

What it really comes down to is winning though. If the team starts winning and seriously contending, there will be no issues what-so-ever selling tickets.

Posted by: --swb | July 28, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I have been saying it and saying it! C`Mon home Big Al! I for one think that you will have a good year if you really want it! IMO, we all want the same thing for this team and that is to WIN!! I cannot wait to see you ruin the Cowpatties first game of the year! BTW, F-Dallas!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 28, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I have been saying it and saying it! C`Mon home Big Al! I for one think that you will have a good year if you really want it! IMO, we all want the same thing for this team and that is to WIN!! I cannot wait to see you ruin the Cowpatties first game of the year! BTW, F-Dallas!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 28, 2010 5:37 PM

Hey Vexed, I'm with you on Dallas.
I am in Dallas now on business, and had to put up with my customer taking me on a tour of Dallas' new stadium. Holy SH$!
I'm so ticked that we got stuck with FedEx. We should have had something like this place for the Redskins. I still don't know how punters aren't going to hit that huge tv at some point.

Posted by: mj25 | July 28, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

FedEx Shmedex. RFK baby! I've been a Redskins fan since before Danny Snyder was conceived in the back seat of his parents' Pinto....

Posted by: randysbailin | July 28, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse


FedEx Shmedex. RFK baby! I've been a Redskins fan since before Danny Snyder was conceived in the back seat of his parents' Pinto....

Posted by: randysbailin


Excellent ! And to top it off, I just saw a Pinto the other day ! LMAO

Posted by: hessone | July 28, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

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