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Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

If you're wondering just how upset coach Mike Shanahan might be that Albert Haynesworth is apparently vowing to skip all of the Redskins' voluntary offseason activities, you're going to want to check this out.

J-Reid and I were on Comcast SportsNet's "Washington Post Live" on Wednesday when Ivan Carter referred to an interesting passage in "A Few Seconds of Panic", Stefan Fatsis' book about his time in the Broncos' training camp. I think you'll find it very revealing.

The time was late in the 2006 season. Jake Plummer had just been benched in favor of rookie Jay Cutler. In a conversation with Fatsis, Plummer explained that Shanahan never got over the fact that Plummer wasn't present for all of the team's offseason workouts. In demoting Plummer, Shanahan explained that skipping the workouts indicated to the coach that the quarterback didn't care.

"Yeah, I missed some workouts," Plummer told the author. "And you know what? Mike Shanahan, you can kiss my [expletive] for being [ticked] at that. You can quote that. I made 85 percent of my workouts and he's still mad about it. He still brought that up. Give me a break. That's the dumbest [expletive] thing on earth.

"He's got to have me to be his leader," Plummer offered sarcastically. "Well, listen. When I'm out there on a Thursday, when everyone's half-assing it and just going through the motions, I'm the one who was calling [expletive] out, saying, 'Let's go.' No one else. Eighty-five percent workouts? Mad about that? And he's still mad about it? Well, if that's the reason [I was benched], then I'm glad I didn't make those. Because I don't want to be here every [expletive] day of the offseason. You don't get any escape.

"But hey, he felt like I crossed him in some way. Once you do that, he'll never let those things go. If you cross him in some way, he'll hold on to that more than the times you've done good by him."

Not to spoil the end of the story or anything, but Cutler played the Broncos' final five games of the 2006 season, the team missed the playoffs and Plummer was traded after the season to Tampa Bay. He hasn't played a down of football since.

The Redskins' first voluntary minicamp starts a week from Friday. Haynesworth is not expected to be present.

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By Rick Maese  |  April 8, 2010; 6:22 AM ET
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Comments

Good for Shanahan. You're in charge and everyone else needs to get on board.

Posted by: egoodman8 | April 8, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

kenboy, are you Haynesworth's agent? I mean, really...where was it "documented that before Haynesworth signed with us, he wanted to be assured he WOULD NOT be asked to play NT or just a space eater"? Anyone who's paid even a little attention to the Redskins over the last decade would know that the coach is subject to change at ANY time and the dynamic you signed up for could change as well. There's nothing you can realistically put in a contract that would "protect" him from that. So Haynesworth didn't get the script flipped on him just to screw with him; there's a new coach and a new philosophy being implemented. And I don't know about you, but I'm not telling my coach (you know, the guy in charge) to change what he does to accomodate one player.

THAT is the culture that is being changed here. Nobody changed their philosophy for Stephen Davis or LaVar Arrington (guys that actually made names for themselves as Redskins). So why would you expect this staff to change philosophy for Albert Haynesworth? All 53 men are supposed to work as a team. And any man on the roster putting his needs or wants over the TEAM'S gets sent packing. Fat Albert included.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, I have a lot of respect for your opinions. But I think most of this argument is not about AH making stupid comments. It's about Jasno and wapo stirring up the pot by asking all these questions. The only quote I have seen from AH is that he will play wherever the coaches play him. Then these stories come out, and he says he will only attend mandatory sessions. The guy is a beast. He will be able to play DT in a 4-3, and any of the down positions in a 3-4.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Plummer is an idiot try working a real job jacka$$ where you don't have a choice in being there or not.

You think people are going to feel sorry for you because you make millions and have to work 6-7 months out of the year.

Also don't act like this is everyday either they will have a workout for a week and then be letgo for two weeks, so he is not working full time.

Could you have been benched because you were the 28 ranked QB in the league at the time. Cutler was the 12 rated passer in 2007 thats why he was benched.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor,

Share this repost with the people.

I'm still celebrating that boring baseball game that ended last night in the 10th inning.

(repost)

I would hate to see us lose AH, and revert back to the days of being completely unable to pressure the opposing QB."


Those who shout "Trade Haynesworth!!" haven't noticed that after releasing Griff, we're already down a defensive tackle.

Even if you move Al and draft a rookie, you still got issues:

Daniels is old, Kemo not truly healthy, and Montegomery not living up to his size and potential.

K Golston is just your avarage NFL defensive tackle.

We asked this before and no one answered:

Given the present mediocre state of the skins' defensive tackle rotation, might Haynesworth have us over a barrel and thus warrant a pass?

That's for you to answer.

I'd say yes: He's got the money, and we ain't got the bodies to replace him.

He and Haslett should have a sit down about his role and we all move on.

The WaPo is 'poking the bear' when it comes to Haynesworth, check out the multiple threads about the subject of a trade that no one has confirmed, but have denied.

I wasn't for the Haynesworth trade, but will now say this:

Leave Al alone!

Unless, of course, you've got some dudes who are just as good to replace him.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

You're right fred, let the guy alone. Talk about Tiger Woods or something else but stop making more out of something than really exists.

Look Redskins Nation, all we need to do is take Okung at #4 to play LT and pick up Flozell Adams for RT. And this terrrrible (sarcasm) O-line suddenly becomes well above average. Flozell has lost a step in pass protection but if he switches over to RT its not as big a deal with a mobile QB like Donovan.

I'll be honest my biggest concern this offseason wasn't QB or O-line because I knew Shanahan and Allen would fix that quickly. I'm worried about Laron Landry patrolling the deep middle of the field on Defense. He is more of a down in the box Strong Safety than a Free Safety.

So my question is how do we fix this problem? Chris Horton and Reid Doughty are good but aren't fast enough to play Free Safety. If we make any trades, I say trade to fix this hole. Or pick up someone in free agency like a Darren Sharper for a year or two to fix this until we can find a permanent replacement.

Like I always say-- Love, peace, and hair grease. I'm out.

p.s. Redskins Nation stop being so negative. Where's the love brothers? Cheer up we have a great shot to win atleast 9 or 10 games next year. (which is better than we can say for those Eagles)

Posted by: martin_riley84 | April 8, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Plummer was also the *QUARTERBACK* for "offensive mastermind" Shanahan. That's a little different than being a defensive tackle for Shanahan.

Posted by: dragon2eden | April 8, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Skins just keep making a mess and now Shanahan is acting like a spoiled child who has to have his way.

Most of you have probably read or heard the remarks by Jake Plummer regarding Shanahan's childishness - which does not bode well for the Burgundy and Gold.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 12:07 AM |

Lisa,

I love your post they are so wrong it makes me laugh.

Here's a thought could it have been that Plummer was benched because he was the 28th ranked passer in the league.

Cutler went on to a great season in 2007, so mmaybe Shanny realized it was time to get him in.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Plummer was benched because in 317 attempts he threw 11 TD's and 13 INT's,
and he was only sacked 18 times.

No I'm sure the Wapo and Lisa are right it was because of those workouts he missed way back at the beginning of the season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

The only quote I have seen from AH is that he will play wherever the coaches play him. Then these stories come out, and he says he will only attend mandatory sessions. The guy is a beast. He will be able to play DT in a 4-3, and any of the down positions in a 3-4.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 6:51 AM


Thanks Fredie...the way the quotes read in print is supposedly different from the way he actually said it, I heard. I thought it was on one of the threads here, if I'm not mistaken. But the indication that was made was that he said the words "I'll do whatever they ask" in a way that made it sound like he wasn't exactly interested in doing so.

But like I said yesterday: Haynesworth could be completely without fault in all this and still get shown the door. I don't think his attitude is necessarily the main issue here, I think the issue is that he hasn't shown Shanahan that he's a hard worker and he doesn't fit in the switch to the 3-4. Nothing else really matters.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Try coming to work 85 days out of 100 and see if you are still employed.

When I hear stuff like this, It reminds me of Iverson and his rants because his coach wanted him to come to practice.

Who do these athletes think they are. Yes Haynesworth is good, even when he is fat and out of shape. This is also showing off his character. New coach, new life. Show a little devotion to your teammates if not the team. You just got 21 million reasons to.

Quit making excuses for him. There should not be a double standard for him.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Quit making excuses for him. There should not be a double standard for him.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 7:35 AM


Exactly right.

Some here are making him out to be some victim...if there's a new boss on your job, you should be on your best behavior and putting your best foot forward trying to impress him. If you don't, you stand the chance of being sent packing. The NFL is no different...all Haynesworth has to do is show up. Nobody's asking him to pull all-nighters in the weight room...just show up and prove you're a leader, or at least worth the money you're being paid. Fair or unfair, when you cash in like he has, you have to prove you're worth it on a daily basis.

Not just on game day, A DAILY BASIS.

That's all I see Shanahan doing. And he's well within his right to do so.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

For the people saying Shanny should stay in a 4-3 because of AH or we don't have all the pieces yet, most of you are the same ones sayng we should be rebuilding not trying to win now.

What happens when AH gets hurt for his normal 4-5 games then how is that 4-3 looking.

They are rebuilding the defense as well as the offesne, the defense produced very few turnovers and couldn't stop a drive in the 4th quarter when needed.

There is no point in rebuilding the offense with a QB that you don't want, so hence the trade for McNabb, not great giving up a 2nd I agree, but QB is the most important position on the field.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Gone are the days when we got paid for performance. Shucks I just want to be paid the heck with working.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 8, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

There is no point in rebuilding the offense with a QB that you don't want, so hence the trade for McNabb, not great giving up a 2nd I agree, but QB is the most important position on the field.

Posted by: Flounder21

I agree, never a big McNabb fan but he does for you is make you better instantly. I trust Shanny that he saw enough film of JC that he realized that he will never be a great

Posted by: joeboggs | April 8, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

There is no point in rebuilding the offense with a QB that you don't want, so hence the trade for McNabb, not great giving up a 2nd I agree, but QB is the most important position on the field.

Posted by: Flounder21

I agree, never a big McNabb fan but he does for you is make you better instantly. I trust Shanny that he saw enough film of JC that he realized that he will never be a great

Posted by: joeboggs | April 8, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Cutler played the Broncos' final five games of the 2006 season, the team missed the playoffs and Plummer was traded after the season to Tampa Bay. He hasn't played a down of football since.

The Redskins' first voluntary minicamp starts a week from Friday. Haynesworth is not expected to be present.

By Rick Maese | April 8, 2010; 6:22 AM ET

Shanahan: Two Super Bowl Rings
Haynesworth: No Super Bowl Rings
Plummer: No Super Bowl Rings
League-Source: ? Super Bowl Rings

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

the biggest question is what is fat albert doing this off season. Donuts, Cake, Beating down his wife, riding his new boat around that eats up hundreds of gallons of gas.
the fact that the guy couldnt even play every down shows he does not take the game serious.
trade him

Posted by: unknownsouljah | April 8, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

LS,

I still say it was those offseason workouts that did him in. Thats why Shanny benched him had nothing to do with his performance.

LS,

How did Cutler do that next year in Denver I think he was the 12 rated passer in the league, not bad for a guy starting his first season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in team and one individual cannot put himself above the team. This might be a concept difficult for some on RI, for Haynesworth and even for Jake Plummer, but the fact remains that if you can't be there every day in the offseason to show your teammates you are going to be there for them through thick and thin, then how are they ever going to trust you to bring the goods when you are down in the trenches? The team concept is born in the weight room and in the training room, and then it migrates to the field. Shanahan's discipline is like a ray of sunshine. This is what this team has sorely lacked for a long time, and yes, there are going to be a lot of players that are going to buck it because they have been a collection of individuals up to this point.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Try coming to work 85 days out of 100 and see if you are still employed.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 7:35 AM
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That only works in professional football and congress...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Cutler played the Broncos' final five games of the 2006 season, the team missed the playoffs and Plummer was traded after the season to Tampa Bay. He hasn't played a down of football since.

The Redskins' first voluntary minicamp starts a week from Friday. Haynesworth is not expected to be present.

By Rick Maese | April 8, 2010; 6:22 AM ET

Shanahan: Two Super Bowl Rings
Haynesworth: No Super Bowl Rings
Plummer: No Super Bowl Rings
League-Source: ? Super Bowl Rings

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 7:58 AM
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RedSkinHead: 30 Super Bowl Hangovers

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

the biggest question is what is fat albert doing this off season. Donuts, Cake, Beating down his wife, riding his new boat around that eats up hundreds of gallons of gas.
the fact that the guy couldnt even play every down shows he does not take the game serious.
trade him

Posted by: unknownsouljah | April 8, 2010 8:03 AM |

Thats the real question isn't it, thats why Shanny wants him here so they can make sure he is doing what he supposed to.

Some guys will work out really hard in the offseason even if they are working alone, coaches can let that happen because the trust the player.

AH has never been known for his work ethic so that's why Shanny has a problem with this. AH worked hard one offseason and that was the one going into his contract year. That paid off really well for him, he didn't workout so hard last offseason though did he.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Napoleon is on the march but the only winner in this fight is Albert Haynesworth.The Resdskins can release him, trade him or whatever, he's been paid and will be paid some more. Big Al is eventually going to tell Shanny the same thing Plummer told him, if he hasn't already.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

LS,

I still say it was those offseason workouts that did him in. Thats why Shanny benched him had nothing to do with his performance.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:07 AM

The quotes they posted a few days ago from Shanahan indicated that he'd like to let a new QB watch the game for a couple of years before starting him. Fact that he started Cutler in his first season says a lot about how Plummer was doing. Also, fact that Plummer retired after that year shows that he'd really lost interest in the game. He even gave some of his signing bonus -- a couple of million bucks -- back to Tampa rather than report.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is an Al Davis kind of player. He can spend his waning years in Oakland purgatory like Warren Sapp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

At this point, Shanny want AH gone, and AH doesn't want to be here. Why pretend and show up for the minicamp and risk a possible injury? Hopefully they can get a deal done quickly, and move on from here.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Napoleon is on the march but the only winner in this fight is Albert Haynesworth.The Resdskins can release him, trade him or whatever, he's been paid and will be paid some more. Big Al is eventually going to tell Shanny the same thing Plummer told him, if he hasn't already.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 8:15 AM |

Your right Shanny is Napoleon because he wants guys to show up who are making millions of dollars to play a game.

That must make your boss Hitler because he wants you to show up every day for work and I'm sure you don't make anything close to a mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

For those making the comparison to a regualr job, theres one big difference your company can't trade you for picks or other workers even though they might want to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The bottom line is the previous administration gave a ridiculous amount of money to a player that is not a team guy. Like it or not, because of his contract, AH has to be the one to set the standard for the new regime. By missing all the 'voluntary' workouts, he is essentially saying that he is a me first guy and not a team player. The voluntary workouts are more for establishing rapport with your teammmates. These guys workout 2 hours a day, plus some film study. Hardly full time work. If Ah can't commit to it, Shannahan has every right to move him. We need draft picks, and I would gladly let a me first guy go in favor of 2 to 3 picks we could use to help rebuild the offensive line. I seriously doubt it is going to happen, but in the long run it would be better for the team.

Posted by: ecjaustin | April 8, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Big Al is eventually going to tell Shanny the same thing Plummer told him, if he hasn't already.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 8:15 AM


I'm not sure how that makes Albert the winner...Plummer hasn't played since Shanny dumped him and I guarantee Haynesworth's career will never be the same once he gets dealt. He'll have to work his ass off to prove the Skins made a mistake and if he had that in him to begin with, this probably isn't an issue.

I just can't believe how many people up here have so much blind faith in this guy...I mean, I just wanna see him have ONE dominant year when he's not playing for a contract, just ONE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Accoridng to NFL.com Theisman was on Sirius radio blasting Jamarcus Russell and recommending the Raiders take Jason Campbell. Give them AH and JC for their first? For their second and third? Third and fourth? A stale bag of chips and a dirty washcloth?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

RSH, that's not a bad idea...I mean, I doubt the Raiders do it but JC would be a good fit for what Al Davis likes: a QB with mobility and a big arm for the deep ball. If anyone is crazy enough to give up high picks for AH and JC, it's Al Davis...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

RSH;

it all depneds on whos dirty washcloth that would be.

by the way. EITM turned me on to these. def would not want hers.

she did a bunch. trife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih7lI2IhJao

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"Big Al is eventually going to tell Shanny the same thing Plummer told him, if he hasn't already."


I hear what folks are syaing, but where does it say in the NFL Collective Bargaining agreement that Haynesworth is wrong?

And if you ship Albert out, who do you replace him with?

This is all a tempest in a WAPO created teapot.

Move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

if Jared Allen went for 2 firsts, and Jay Cutler went for 2 firsts, there is categorically, especially when considering his pay over the next 2 seasons, there is no reason to accept anything less than a first for AH.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

For those making the comparison to a regualr job, theres one big difference your company can't trade you for picks or other workers even though they might want to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:23 AM
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Not so fast, there Brother Flounder. My company just took five facilities from my division and transferred them to another division. Guys sitting down the hall from me now work for a group based 1200 miles away. The point is I could be "traded" to another division overnight - and I don't get paid millions of dollars to play a game, get two months off a year, or make millions on the side doing endorsements. There is nothing about pro football that makes their situation tougher than what we working class dogs have to put up with, and yet you have some prima donnas in the NFL who think they shouldn't have to work to keep what they have. I'll take one brown bagging London Fletcher for every five elitist Albert Haynesworths you got.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

For those making the comparison to a regualr job, theres one big difference your company can't trade you for picks or other workers even though they might want to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:23 AM


Flound, the particulars obviously don't match up in that comparison, but the principle does. Regardless of your profession, when you get a new boss you have to rally up and put your best foot forward. If you don't, you risk being labeled a part of the problem and not the solution. Whether he works for the Redskins or the local grocery store, Albert Haynesworth has not done that. And that's why his job here is at risk, not because of some power play by Shanahan.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I hear what folks are syaing, but where does it say in the NFL Collective Bargaining agreement that Haynesworth is wrong?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 8:34 AM
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I hear what you are saying and you are technically correct, but offseason workouts at the team facility are an implied expectation. It's kind of like you being a salary guy in industry and the boss asks you to work three hours tonight to get that report out. Your working hours are 8 to 5, you won't get paid for the overtime, but you darned well better do it if you want to stick around. It's the same deal.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Isn't there another piece of Redskins news to report this time of year?

Oh...wait...there isn't so you'll just keep pumping up the Haynesworth thing until a real piece of news emerges.

Posted by: BC1963 | April 8, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

if Jared Allen went for 2 firsts, and Jay Cutler went for 2 firsts, there is categorically, especially when considering his pay over the next 2 seasons, there is no reason to accept anything less than a first for AH.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 8:35 AM


Greg, the guys you named are Pro-Bowlers at premium positions that are extremely hard to acquire. That jacks up the price exponentially and I'm not sure that AH will be that high in demand. I mean, when he was a FA only about 2 or 3 teams even attempted to make a run at him.

I'd take a high 2nd rounder and be happy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Where is the players union in all of this process regarding Haynesworth?

A player cannot be threatened or intimidated in any way as a result of not attending voluntary workouts under the pretense he refuses to play NT a position the team wants him to consider playing.

I understand the team unity concept and all the bull associated with it, but any team has crossed the line in intimidating players for not doing something they're not contractually obligated to do without a word from the players union in defense of the player.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The whole idea that Haynesworth is being punished unfairly or that he's going to rue the day he crossed Mike Shanahan is ludicrous. HE HAS 40 MILLION REASONS NOT TO GIVE A S***!

The chickens have already come home to roost on this deal and there's not a thing Shanallen can do to change it.

Fat Al could retire tomorrow, invest his $40 mil in CDs and live comfortably off the interest for the rest of his life and he won't have to risk injury or work for it at all. Why should he care whether or not he gets traded or if he plays another down?

All this nonsense about him caring how he's perceived in the rest of the league and his pride or whatever, give me a break. If the guy cared about any of that he wouldn't have let a cart take him to the locker room for cramps.

So trade him for a 7th rounder- either way the guy has fleeced the Skins and how.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 8, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

ESPN's Todd McShay and Mel Kiper agree on one thing: The Lions will take DT Ndamakong Suh.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The whole idea that Haynesworth is being punished unfairly or that he's going to rue the day he crossed Mike Shanahan is ludicrous. HE HAS 40 MILLION REASONS NOT TO GIVE A S***!

The chickens have already come home to roost on this deal and there's not a thing Shanallen can do to change it.

Fat Al could retire tomorrow, invest his $40 mil in CDs and live comfortably off the interest for the rest of his life and he won't have to risk injury or work for it at all. Why should he care whether or not he gets traded or if he plays another down?

All this nonsense about him caring how he's perceived in the rest of the league and his pride or whatever, give me a break. If the guy cared about any of that he wouldn't have let a cart take him to the locker room for cramps.

So trade him for a 7th rounder- either way the guy has fleeced the Skins and how.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"...but offseason workouts at the team facility are an implied expectation."


Implication works for those of us who work.

But entertainers and athletes are essentially independent contractors who sell their services to the highest bidder.

And if the agreement between them doesn't stipulate that 'voluntary means mandatory,' the contractor is free to do as he pleases.

And again: skim over redskin defensive tackle rotation.

Who replaces Haynesworth if he's moved?

He has us over a barrel.

He's been given his money.

Let him work in isolation--show up for contractually obligated practices--and move on with this issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Accoridng to NFL.com Theisman was on Sirius radio blasting Jamarcus Russell and recommending the Raiders take Jason Campbell. Give them AH and JC for their first? For their second and third? Third and fourth? A stale bag of chips and a dirty washcloth?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:25 AM

a bale of hay would be fine

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse


John Niyo, of The Detroit News, reports the Detroit Lions might be interested in Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Schefter cited a high-ranking Redskins source saying the team isn't determined to move Haynesworth

Posted by: skinfanman | April 8, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"ESPN's Todd McShay and Mel Kiper agree on one thing: The Lions will take DT Ndamakong Suh."


These men are fools.

Who drafts M Stafford, sees him get hurt, then decides not to protect him?

The lions will take Okung.

The skins should scramble to find a way to get Williams or Baluaga, and add F Adams along the way.

If not, they should have another sit down with L Jones and give him a medium money range two-three year deal--which is what he wants..

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

brown, not me, you know how I value draft picks, I'd want nothing less than a first in return for this cat.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, nobody said it was in Haynesworth's contract, and he has NOT said he would not play NT,to the contrary he said he would play anywhere they put him. He just doesnt like it. When Haynesworth was signed he said one of the biggest reasons was that he was assured he wasn't going to be stuck at NT. It is normal in every career field I can think of, for instance, NFL head coaches, for top people to clarify various parameters of their work environment before taking a job. For instance, I doubt if its in Shanny's contract that he will get final say in all personel decisions, but I'll bet Snyder told him so. The idiocy of trying to "require" players to attend "voluntary" workouts mini camps is self evident.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather the Skins not fix the OL so we can watch McNabb take a beating.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 8, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Greg...I'm just sayin' I doubt someone coughs up a first for a guy that has been deemed replaceable by two teams in consecutive offseasons.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

The only thing I see different in this "over the barrell" ideology is the uncapped season.

Here they really could just bench is SJK for goldbricking and eat the cost. Unlike when we were stuck w/ Schuler.

It would be a shame & a waste, but it would be to Stompy's detriment. If he plays the crying game under Darth Shanahan [THERES some brazilian produced Fetish Pr0n I don't wanna see!], then his value will be down come FA time...

I prefer they work it out. But I do agree that integrity is at stake. Here's a battle of wills once again. And this time the opponent is not Zoron the Moron!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I doubt if its in Shanny's contract that he will get final say in all personel decisions, but I'll bet Snyder told him so. The idiocy of trying to "require" players to attend "voluntary" workouts mini camps is self evident.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 8:55 AM |

I'll bet it's in his contract, and Shanny didn't give AH the assurances Vinn did.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

lmao@fanman!

Way to kick it off. I can't say I'd mind too much if we're going to suck anyway... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

And this crap about having to stay in DC year round; many players have homes in other parts of the country, and it is unreasonable to try and require them stay in DC to attend "voluntary" activities. Notice how management always wants to stick to the letter of labor contracts when they are criticized, "its just business", but when its a player issue, they are supposed to be going outside of their contract requirements "for the gipper". Can't have it both ways

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"...but offseason workouts at the team facility are an implied expectation."

Implication works for those of us who work.

But entertainers and athletes are essentially independent contractors who sell their services to the highest bidder.

And if the agreement between them doesn't stipulate that 'voluntary means mandatory,' the contractor is free to do as he pleases.

And again: skim over redskin defensive tackle rotation.

Who replaces Haynesworth if he's moved?

He has us over a barrel.

He's been given his money.

Let him work in isolation--show up for contractually obligated practices--and move on with this issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 8:48 AM
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Moe,
again I agree with what you are saying, but the boss is the boss. Yes, you might exercise your right to workout on your own, but that doesn't mean the boss can't hold a grudge. Shanahan could bench him, he could make him run extra laps at practice, he could make life rough for him in any number of ways and if the NFLPA called him on it they could spend years arguing what authority the coach has over his players and how he chooses to exercise it. There's a line the NFLPA won't cross and that is

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

League-Source: ? Super Bowl Rings

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

L-S: 1 bathtub ring, 2 toilet bowl rings

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"I'd rather the Skins not fix the OL so we can watch McNabb take a beating."


I'm not into watching another man suffer unless it's someone sitting in Fenway Park.

I want to see Shanahan and McNabb running what might be a very creative and productive redskin offense next Fall.

Can you imagine seeing F Davis used like D Clark?

Watch tape of D Jackson and then think of D Thomas given a shot to catch McNabb's deep passes.

You want Marko on the field?: he will be.

And what about having a pounding running game that features clever playaction passing?

And think of Moss in bunch or trips sets coming off pick plays where he busts free over the middle with the ball under his arm?

You fix the line and this is all possible.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The idiocy of trying to "require" players to attend "voluntary" workouts mini camps is self evident.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 8:55 AM


Nobody "requires" them to attend...it's just pretty well known that coaches take inventory of who's there and who's not and it can work against you in the final evaluation...especially if you're the only guy not attending. Debating the merits of that is irrelevant at this point...whatever the reason, Shanny doesn't like Haynesworth and wants him out. That's really all we need to know at this point.

Jason Campbell has been a consumate professional and he's here every offseason. Yet he's being run outta here in much the same fashion, and without even half the outrage that AH is getting. That's a sad statement about how some up here value the players on this team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

And please, asking players to treat voluntary activites as manatory is just plain wrong, and it would be treated as such in any other work environment, including the sports journalism business.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 6:01 AM |

With this attitude you must be a GS-11, and you probably will be until you retire.

Everyone does "voluntary" activities at work. People come in early and people stay late. They work weekends. They skip lunch. They fill in for others. It's called giving 110% as opposed to what Big Al is doing -- "work to rules." When unions "work to rules" work comes to a slowdown and the customers suffer. You can't build an NFL team around 53 guys who work to rules.

This is why he never should have been signed and it's why Shanahan may want to trade him, which is the team's right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I must say that, although I don't like AH's apparent attitude any more than anyone else, I can't agree with Shanny getting rid of him just to make a point. How can he give away his kind of talent? He's probably the top DT in football and is in his prime. It was no accident that all of a sudden Andre Carter was free to get 11 sacks and Orakpo played like an all-pro right out of the gate. Statistics cited in RI and in other places show that AH played more plays than just about anyone else on the D. To me, he's irreplacable considering our lack of draft choices and the other pressing needs. This smacks of two massive egos who can't seem to fit both heads into the same room. We need AH. I think Shanny's correct move is to give AH what he wants and build the D line around him, not get rid of him.

Now, if we could get a 1st rounder plus some other draft choices, maybe that'd be acceptable, but I just can't see getting rid of him.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 8, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I love your post they are so wrong it makes me laugh.

Here's a thought could it have been that Plummer was benched because he was the 28th ranked passer in the league.

Cutler went on to a great season in 2007, so mmaybe Shanny realized it was time to get him in.

Posted by: Flounder21

Flounder, you make me laugh as well....you seem to believe that just because Shanahan won a few Super Bowls - WITH ELWAY - WAY BACK in the day - that he is a mastermind who can do no wrong.

Here's a thought: How in the heck would Shanahan have ANY idea Cutler would be a good QB in 2007? Of course, he had no way of knowing this. But once Cutler was hand picked and "semi raised" by Shanahan of course he wanted to put him in the game.

Oh yeah...how were Cutler's stats last season on a new team without Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal? He was an INT machine.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Everyone does "voluntary" activities at work. People come in early and people stay late. They work weekends. They skip lunch. They fill in for others. It's called giving 110% as opposed to what Big Al is doing -- "work to rules." When unions "work to rules" work comes to a slowdown and the customers suffer. You can't build an NFL team around 53 guys who work to rules.

This is why he never should have been signed and it's why Shanahan may want to trade him, which is the team's right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:06 AM


LS, this may be the best thing I've ever seen you post...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

This is just frustrating...can't we all just get along??

First, everyone crapping on Haynesworth/Plummer for "failing to come into work" are just flat wrong.

The days that these guys are obligated to come into work is spelled out in the CBA - and "voluntary workouts" are NOT part of those days.

I'm sure if you had a boss demanding you to come in and work over the weekends a-la Bill Lungberg from Office Space; you'd be pretty pissed and unhappy about that at some point.

Second, I just really hope that this crap can die down, and we can start the season with AH on the roster and just see how it goes. If the defense is successful and AH is playing well, none of this will really matter. If not, if he comes in and plays like crap and doesn't fit in, then we have another opportunity to get rid of him next year.

But at this point, I frankly think Shanny would be dumb to trade the guy away simply for missing non-mandatory workouts.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth = Derrick Coleman

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Greg...I'm just sayin' I doubt someone coughs up a first for a guy that has been deemed replaceable by two teams in consecutive offseasons.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse


???

By my count, no team has yet deemed him "replaceable".

Where do you get 2 teams from?

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

moe, those 'fenway park' comments are uncalled for....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Everyone does "voluntary" activities at work. People come in early and people stay late. They work weekends. They skip lunch. They fill in for others. It's called giving 110% as opposed to what Big Al is doing -- "work to rules." When unions "work to rules" work comes to a slowdown and the customers suffer. You can't build an NFL team around 53 guys who work to rules.

This is why he never should have been signed and it's why Shanahan may want to trade him, which is the team's right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:06 AM


LS, this may be the best thing I've ever seen you post...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse


Right.

Last year London Fletcher skipped some voluntary workouts.

We should lynch that guy. Uncommitted attitudes like that kill teams and cause factories to close down.

London Fletcher and AH should be moved to Oakland immediately.

IN fact let's just cut London Fletcher flat-out for fleecing the REdskins. We've paid him all this money and he had the audacity to skip some voluntary workouts. It would be addition by subtraction.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Haynesworth sounds like a bit of an a-hole but my only issue with him is that he is reluctant to play nose in the 3-4. I think he would be a beast in the middle although his sack numbers obviously would suffer. I dont understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape over "voluntary" workouts. Last time I checked voluntary is not mandatory. So for a coach to hold that against you is retarded. "We talkin about practice. Not a game. Not a game. Practice." LOL

Posted by: tywill28 | April 8, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure if you had a boss demanding you to come in and work over the weekends a-la Bill Lungberg from Office Space; you'd be pretty pissed and unhappy about that at some point.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM


No doubt...but you're comparing an office setting where most people don't like their job and don't get paid much and a guy who's being paid a king's ransom to play a kid's game that he supposedly loves.

It's Haynesworth's job to impress Shanahan, not the other way around. And AH won't be impressing anyone at Redskins Park from his speedboat.

And again...no one is "forcing" him to work. He should be doing that anyway and the fact that someone has to coax him into staying conditioned is probably a big reason why Shanny wants no part of him. He wants guys that are gonna do whatever it takes to get this team to the next level, not doing just enough to get by.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

It would be a lot cooler if Haynesworth would show up to "voluntary" workouts.

1. It's only 2 hours a day and they revamped the training.

2. New strength and conditioning coach

3. Fat Al is choosing to be trained by a dude that graduated from Golds Gym when the Redskins employ a professional staff.

4. 30 minutes a day of film to get up to speed with the new defensive philosophy and switch to a hybrid 3- 4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

And while we are at it, we need to cut Andre Carter.

THat lockerrom malcontent has expressed reservations about moving to OLB in a 3-4.

THat's kind of lazy me-first cancerous influence that we need to get rid of.

So let's just ship him out to Oakland to.

And let's posthumously also cut Saen Taylor and erase him from the SKins memory.

Not only did he skip voluntary workouts, he didn't even return his coaches phone calls.

Cancerous attitudes like that have no place on this team.

Let's ship his grave out to Oakland in exchange for a 6th rounder.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, if you're in all seriousness comparing London Fletcher to Albert Haynesworth, then there's no getting thru to you...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

And again...no one is "forcing" him to work. He should be doing that anyway and the fact that someone has to coax him into staying conditioned is probably a big reason why Shanny wants no part of him. He wants guys that are gonna do whatever it takes to get this team to the next level, not doing just enough to get by.

Posted by: brownwood26

Excellent analysis BWood!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Why bring in a star in McNabb for the O, then get rid of the best star on the D(because he already had plans to go workout with his guy). Hey, Fletch is REAL long in the tooth.

Mike better slow down a bit, he's moving way to fast for me.

Loosing Albert mentally would be devastating to us, we need his mind here and right.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | April 8, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Jake Plummer is not Albert Haynesworth! Broncos owner did not commit $100m to Jake Plummer, Snyder did with Haynesworth. Couple of days ago, I wrote that I hope Albert Haynesworth do to the Skins what Skins did to Jason Campbell, reason why? This is an organization without sanity. Haynesworth was not a nose in Tennessee or never in his career, you brought Haynesworth to the Skins because of his ability to disrupt, why kill that ability? Before Jim Haslett even step off the bus, he proclaimed the Skins are switching to 3-4 with Haynesworth as nose; well, too bad Jim, you should have had more patience, do your due diligence, know your personnel before jumping into sudden conclusion. The Redskins as an organization killed Jason Campbell's career; new system every other year, remember? Haynesworth is not about to let that happen to him. Play the star of your defense, of whom much is required, to his strength. Haynesworth have repeatedly indicated that he is not a space eater, why try to force him to be one. Look Shanahan, buddy, I know a thing or two about running a business;never let your ego get the best of you; however, if you think you don't need Haynesworth, then trade, cut, or bench him over this nonsense, a voluntary work out is not mandatory.

Posted by: abxinc | April 8, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Last year London Fletcher skipped some voluntary workouts.

We should lynch that guy. Uncommitted attitudes like that kill teams and cause factories to close down.

London Fletcher and AH should be moved to Oakland immediately.

IN fact let's just cut London Fletcher flat-out for fleecing the REdskins. We've paid him all this money and he had the audacity to skip some voluntary workouts. It would be addition by subtraction.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:17 AM

We don't like talk about "lynching" African Americans up here, funk. Very KKK.

Isn't London Fletcher at workouts this year?

Now you're going all-idiot on us. Last year Jim Zorn was coach. Team produced 4-12. We shipped Zorn out.

New coach with different expectations. He gets to set the standard, not Albert Haynesworth. He has two Super Bowl rings. Haynesworth has none.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

And by my count Laron Landry also skipped some voluntary workouts 2 years in a row.

What a cancer and a lazy malcontent.

We need to ship him to Oakland.

C'mon guys!

SO far we have Haynesworth, Landry, Fletcher, Carter and Sean Taylor (posthumously) that we need to trade to Oakland or cut because they are cancerous malcontents with the audacity to skip voluntary workouts...who else???

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, you make me laugh as well....you seem to believe that just because Shanahan won a few Super Bowls - WITH ELWAY - WAY BACK in the day - that he is a mastermind who can do no wrong.

Here's a thought: How in the heck would Shanahan have ANY idea Cutler would be a good QB in 2007? Of course, he had no way of knowing this. But once Cutler was hand picked and "semi raised" by Shanahan of course he wanted to put him in the game.

Oh yeah...how were Cutler's stats last season on a new team without Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal? He was an INT machine.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM |

I never said Shanny could do no wrong, I'm just willing to give him a year or two not 2 months like some of you.

You should change that Shanny won SB's with Elway to Elway won SB's with Shanny and his running game.

Cutler having a bad year in Chicago has nothing to do with the conversation, Shanny wasn't his coach.

Why didn't you respond to how bad Plummer was playing at the time, and how he has never played again wouldn't back up your argument.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, we get that you're Haynesworth's unofficial 3rd nut and all, but bringing up Sean Taylor in that vein was uncalled for...time to take a deep breath and reevaluate, dude...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

p1funk-

Let me know the next time that London's conditioning and offseason workouts are in question.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

And by my count Laron Landry also skipped some voluntary workouts 2 years in a row.

What a cancer and a lazy malcontent.

We need to ship him to Oakland.

C'mon guys!

SO far we have Haynesworth, Landry, Fletcher, Carter and Sean Taylor (posthumously) that we need to trade to Oakland or cut because they are cancerous malcontents with the audacity to skip voluntary workouts...who else???

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

the difference is with LFB, if shanny asked him to be there, he said yes.

AH did not.

Either way... no real comparison. Different coaching staff, a weak S&C program, as has been reported since the new one is now here.

So LFB was actually doing something for the betterment, since his workouts were most likely more intense.

You cant argue with 15 or so years w?o injury or real loss of production...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

We don't like talk about "lynching" African Americans up here, funk. Very KKK.

Isn't London Fletcher at workouts this year?

Now you're going all-idiot on us. Last year Jim Zorn was coach. Team produced 4-12. We shipped Zorn out.

New coach with different expectations. He gets to set the standard, not Albert Haynesworth. He has two Super Bowl rings. Haynesworth has none.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:24 AM


Whoa, whoa, whoa...more solid stuff from LS? Who are you? And what did you do with LS?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

guy who's being paid a king's ransom to play a kid's game

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Quote from the late Sean Taylor. Nice!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

We don't like talk about "lynching" African Americans up here, funk. Very KKK.

Isn't London Fletcher at workouts this year?

Now you're going all-idiot on us. Last year Jim Zorn was coach. Team produced 4-12. We shipped Zorn out.

New coach with different expectations. He gets to set the standard, not Albert Haynesworth. He has two Super Bowl rings. Haynesworth has none.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Zorn's expectations should be irrelevant.

SO is London Fletcher simply doing the bare minimum that his coaches expect of him?

That's not great leadership. That's not great work ethic.

If Fletcher was really a great leader he would have taken the extra initiative to be there whether the coaches expected it or not.

We can't work with lazy malcontents like that.

Gotta ship him to Oakland.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"He hasn't played a down of football since."

Very telling about Plummer, AH should take notes.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 8, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

SO far we have Haynesworth, Landry, Fletcher, Carter and Sean Taylor (posthumously) that we need to trade to Oakland or cut because they are cancerous malcontents with the audacity to skip voluntary workouts...who else???

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:24 AM |

Have any of these guys ever been accused of coming into a season out of shape, thats the problem not being a malcontent.

AH has no motivation to workout in the offseason, the other guys you mentioned either do it with the team or on there own but they do it.

Did you see AC laying on the ground last year not able to get up because he was tired.

Your argument is lame.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Thank You Mr Whitlock for showing others why no one should read your ignorant a$$:

http://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/11782669844

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

the difference is with LFB, if shanny asked him to be there, he said yes.

AH did not.

Either way... no real comparison. Different coaching staff, a weak S&C program, as has been reported since the new one is now here.

So LFB was actually doing something for the betterment, since his workouts were most likely more intense.

You cant argue with 15 or so years w?o injury or real loss of production...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


I renew my point that if LFB is only doing what his coaches ask, then that's not real committed leadership.

That's not giving 110%.

As someone argued up here before, we can only build a team with guys giving 110%.

If Fletcher was a great leader he would have been at Skins Park doing voluntary workouts and leading people whether the coaches expected it or not.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

f Fletcher was really a great leader he would have taken the extra initiative to be there whether the coaches expected it or not.

We can't work with lazy malcontents like that.

Gotta ship him to Oakland.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:28 AM |

I think you've put yourself squarely in Periculum, Rottfrau, Risa_L territory: ITA.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Who told WaPo that Albert was being offered in trade? The Eagles. Why? Because they want him to get angry and get traded. They may not have wanted him, but I'm sure they don't want him here.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't you respond to how bad Plummer was playing at the time, and how he has never played again wouldn't back up your argument.

Posted by: Flounder21

My point had nothing to do with how well or bad Plummer was playing - it had to do with Shanahan's insane hardheadedness.

Neither of us know what went down in Denver. But the way Shanahan has been acting lately gives credence to Plummer's comments. I truly hope I'm wrong about Shanahan but he is not giving me good vibes.

Oh and Plummer? If I remember correctly, Jon Gruden traded for him and desperately wanted him to play - or at least compete - for the starting QB position - in Tampa Bay but Plummer chose to retire.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Face it people, the word voluntary must absolutely be removed from the rules governing off-season activities. We can't have it both ways. There's no such thing as voluntary mandatory. Who knows!! maybe next they'll suggest Santana Moss play linebacker and threaten him if he refuses.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

ESPN's Todd McShay and Mel Kiper agree on one thing: The Lions will take DT Ndamakong Suh.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
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Not that McShay and Kiper are right, anyway, but what happens if we trade Haynesworth to Detroit?

Posted by: closer44 | April 8, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Did you see AC laying on the ground last year not able to get up because he was tired.

Your argument is lame.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse


No. I saw AC getting his highest sack total since 2002 playing next to AH.

You know what else is lame?

Our Dline's ability to put pressure on the QB without AH in the fold.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

4th, Whitlock is a nimrod...I'd take Tiki's wife over the run-of-the-mill blonde intern he hooked up with 10 times outta 10 and twice when my wife's outta town. You can find chicks like that intern at any college dive bar in America...just ask Ben Roethlisberger.

Boom. Roasted.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

It's not about breaking a rule because thats not what he has done. He has broken a moral fabric. Someone mentioned London Fletcher.
That dude is busting his azz every Sunday and made the Pro Bowl.
Al is busting the oxygen machine and our teams pockets. The LEAST he could do is tow the company line for one year anyway. If he has a monster year next year then he can play the "I can do whatever I want" attitude.
Shanahan didn't trade for him, didn't promise him or anybody else anything and doesn't owe AH sh!t. It's just a case of an overpaid, lazy athlete who thinks he is above everyone. (see Portis '09)
Shanahan wants to win because he has a conscious. AH wants to get paid.
He has accomplished that already so......

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

My point had nothing to do with how well or bad Plummer was playing - it had to do with Shanahan's insane hardheadedness.

Neither of us know what went down in Denver. But the way Shanahan has been acting lately gives credence to Plummer's comments. I truly hope I'm wrong about Shanahan but he is not giving me good vibes.

Oh and Plummer? If I remember correctly, Jon Gruden traded for him and desperately wanted him to play - or at least compete - for the starting QB position - in Tampa Bay but Plummer chose to retire.
Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Chalk Lisa up as one of those people that believes everything they read. Here's a mews flash for you Lisa, just because someone writes something doesn't mean it's true. The only quote we have from Shanny on this whole mess is that he would have preferred Hayney be here but he appreciated the fact that Hayney came to him personally and told him he would not. The rest is hearsay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Who told WaPo that Albert was being offered in trade? The Eagles. Why? Because they want him to get angry and get traded. They may not have wanted him, but I'm sure they don't want him here.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 9:34 AM


That's right...they were so scared of playing against him that they turned down the chance to add him to their own team. Just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

maybe next they'll suggest Santana Moss play linebacker

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 9:36 AM

now THAT would be a good time rodeo

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

but Plummer chose to retire.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Well to me, that says alot about "the Snakes" character.. I don't think any of us would be shocked to see an article 3-5 yrs from now with the title "Plummer Bankrupt, sells memorabilia to repay debts"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

4th, Whitlock is a nimrod...I'd take Tiki's wife over the run-of-the-mill blonde intern he hooked up with 10 times outta 10 and twice when my wife's outta town. You can find chicks like that intern at any college dive bar in America...just ask Ben Roethlisberger.

Boom. Roasted.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

LMFAO

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing about pro football that makes their situation tougher than what we working class dogs have to put up with, and yet you have some prima donnas in the NFL who think they shouldn't have to work to keep what they have.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:36 AM

I get the basic premise--and agree that there doesn't seem to be the level of team connectivity that one would want to see from a guy who's making millions from folks like us supporting the team. But the analogy doesn't quite wash, in that--as far as I know--no one is coming into RedSkinHead's workplace to pound him into the ground, intending to render him ineffective and getting increasingly larger compensation the more can neutralize RSH's colleagues.

Then again, the guy may be working in a very competitive market.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Not that McShay and Kiper are right, anyway, but what happens if we trade Haynesworth to Detroit?

Posted by: closer44 | April 8, 2010 9:37 AM

Have you no imagination? Here are three possibilities:

1. We get their number 1 pick.

2. We swap number 1 picks.

3. We put a clause in the trade agreement that if they choose Okung, we get their number 1 pick next year as compensation.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I think you've put yourself squarely in Periculum, Rottfrau, Risa_L territory: ITA.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse


No.

What I've done is pulled a Jonathan Swift and used satire to expose some of the ridiculous thinking going on here.

What has AH actually done to reasonably warrant the level of vitriol that folks have stirred up?

What has he actually done to be pegged as Skins enemy #1 who needs to immediately get shipped out of town?

Last year he wasn't in his best shape - fine. He still played 70% of the D-snaps (second highest on the team for a lineman) and had a HUGE impact on the field.

At one point he publicly called out G.Blache for his unimaginative passive D-schemes that didn't put playmakers in playmaking positions...you know what? I AGREED 100% WITH HIM! And I bet alot of his teammates did as well. And so did most of us up here.

And this year, he's working out on his own instead of coming to non-voluntary workouts. He had the decency to show up in person and talk face-to-face with Shanny about it, which is more than can be said for guys like LL30 and ST21 in the past.

And for all this we can't get him out of town fast enough??

I don't get it...

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

And again...no one is "forcing" him to work. He should be doing that anyway and the fact that someone has to coax him into staying conditioned is probably a big reason why Shanny wants no part of him. He wants guys that are gonna do whatever it takes to get this team to the next level, not doing just enough to get by.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I think you are making an assumption that AH is not working out and getting himself in top condition. His plan is to use a proven method to ensure that he will be in better condition this year. Let's wait until training camp and see what shape he is in. I want to see him put a hurting on Tony Homo, Kevin Kolb and LBM.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

If it's not about the rules I don't see a lot of sense in having them. Being a homer or a company man is cool but so is right and wrong.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | April 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"He hasn't played a down of football since."

Very telling about Plummer, AH should take notes.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 8, 2010 9:29 AM

IRRELEVANT!

First, plummer was NEVER considered the best at his position. Most people thought it was laughable when Denver acquired him in the first place, second Plummer retired rather than play for (Tampa, is that who he got traded to?). It was pretty clear Jakes skills were eroding.

Haynesworth is in his prime, and is a game changer. Why is everyone complaining about his leadership skills. He was NEVER a leader, never claimed the title, didn't ask for it, doesn't want it.

What he is, is the most dominant DT in the league who can disrupt and destroy another teams offense and make all the players around him better. Make the guy happy and get him on the field.

There is not one player on our team that can dominate and change a game like he can except maybe McNabb. Who on our D can even fill his shoes let alone dominate a game? When is the last time we had a game changing player on our D?

Shanny is biting off his nose to spite his face and it's arrogant and stupid. Arrogance was his down fall in Denver, and it would appear he hasn't learned much since. He can still manage and work with Albert and be the guy in charge, and by doing that, we keep our best player and let him wreak havoc on the other teams we play.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert? The Redskins paid $100,000 for a 1990 Cadillac that had its best and better days in another state with another driver; as they outbidder the next highest bidder by about $50,000. And now they do not like the way it's runs. Duh?

Same with McNabb, as I've read the jive comparisons to Brett, who I didn't see in the SB for Minnesota or the NJ Jets. Comparisons to Sonny, who never led Washington to a title either. Just got old in DC. Here's a better comparison:

Patriots traded an old and aging Bledsoe, who came close but failed to win big games in NE. Traded him to a division rival excited that they had a "proven vet" and "leader". Buffalo thought they were just a few vets away from a return to glory. NE stuck with the youth (Brady) and established coach. A decade later, the Bills are still a joke and NE is still near the top.

Replace the names above (Bledsoe with McNabb); (Bills with Skins); (NE with Philly).

Posted by: kedavis | April 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert? The Redskins paid $100,000 for a 1990 Cadillac that had its best and better days in another state with another driver; as they outbidder the next highest bidder by about $50,000. And now they do not like the way it's runs. Duh?

Same with McNabb, as I've read the jive comparisons to Brett, who I didn't see in the SB for Minnesota or the NJ Jets. Comparisons to Sonny, who never led Washington to a title either. Just got old in DC. Here's a better comparison:

Patriots traded an old and aging Bledsoe, who came close but failed to win big games in NE. Traded him to a division rival excited that they had a "proven vet" and "leader". Buffalo thought they were just a few vets away from a return to glory. NE stuck with the youth (Brady) and established coach. A decade later, the Bills are still a joke and NE is still near the top.

Replace the names above (Bledsoe with McNabb); (Bills with Skins); (NE with Philly).

Posted by: kedavis | April 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

LS,

I still say it was those offseason workouts that did him in. Thats why Shanny benched him had nothing to do with his performance.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 8:07 AM

Shanny used it because he needed an excuse to bench him. If he was performing well and made 85% of the workouts, he would have still been the starter for the year......

Also, I believe they had a winning record when Plummer was starting, irregardless of his stats.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

bean

"..those 'fenway park' comments are uncalled for..."

Say what you will, but the yanks/sawks are the two best baseball teams I've seen so far.

Dude, the last two games were almost playoff like in that one went 4-4 for a while and another 1-1 to the 10th inning.

The sawx need another bat, and I don't get why Theo didn't chase H Matsui this past winter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I think you are making an assumption that AH is not working out and getting himself in top condition. His plan is to use a proven method to ensure that he will be in better condition this year. Let's wait until training camp and see what shape he is in. I want to see him put a hurting on Tony Homo, Kevin Kolb and LBM.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 9:47 AM |

I think we are going off the fact that he wasn't in good condition last year, or any other year except his contract year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Say what you will, but the yanks/sawks are the two best baseball teams I've seen so far.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Check out a Rays game my man.. 2-0 baby!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...how were Cutler's stats last season on a new team without Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal? He was an INT machine.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 9:09 AM

Here's another thought: a "franchise" QB does not make a winning team. Cutler has NEVER QB'ed any team to a winning season--not in college, not in the NFL.

The Broncos and Bears had winning seasons before he started (Broncos were 13-3 the year Plummer QB'ed alone--in 2006 Plummer was 7-4, then Cutler went 2-3 and the Broncos missed the playoffs). The Bears were 9-7 before Cutler (7-9 with him as QB).


Beware the single-minded quest for a "franchise" QB.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Also, I believe they had a winning record when Plummer was starting, irregardless of his stats.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:50 AM

Right you are, 4th!!

Denver under Plummer: 7-4
Denver under Cutler: 2-3

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

That's right...they were so scared of playing against him that they turned down the chance to add him to their own team. Just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

You're right brownwood. A division rival would never use an opportunity to hurt the relationship with our best D tackle.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Flound....I'd have to take Lisa side on this argument......HE was at 85% of the voluntary workouts. And they went 13-3 the year before. And he was the vocal leader during the year. To coorborate this, we would need to know the percentages of all players who showed up.

McNAbb never went to voluntary workouts and worked out in Arizona.

Mike Shanny = Napolean from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

SHANAHAN and SNYDER's egos - the dynamic duo? Sound's like a match made in heaven, or enough dynamite for a gigantic explosion, one or the other. Wasn't MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER a one-way kind of guy too? DANO what have you done.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Who told WaPo that Albert was being offered in trade? The Eagles. Why? Because they want him to get angry and get traded. They may not have wanted him, but I'm sure they don't want him here.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

No, the Iggles did not disclose this. It was Jasno, stirring the pot from his new post. Consider the source.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

moe, don't get me started on needing a bat, Ortiz has been dun-DONE for over a year now....go get the cat from SD, and roll.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, first of all, you're more like Stromile Swift than Jonathan Swift so don't break your arm patting your own back.

Second of all, you've lost any chance of anyone taking you seriously anymore after comparing one of the most respected, well-conditioned, and durable players in the NFL to a guy who sucks oxygen every 3rd play, works hard only when it's convenient and/or required, and is widely regarded as a guy who is an immense waste of natural talent. Then comparing 29 year-old AH to a 23 year-old ST? I mean, posting that crap you did without immediately adding "LOL" is unconscionable.

Bottom line is EVERYONE with the exception of AH is here and accounted for THIS OFFSEASON, looking to make an impression on the new boss. His absence is just another in a long line of examples that he's not Redskin--or Shanahan--material.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Implication works for those of us who work.

But entertainers and athletes are essentially independent contractors who sell their services to the highest bidder.

And if the agreement between them doesn't stipulate that 'voluntary means mandatory,' the contractor is free to do as he pleases.

And again: skim over redskin defensive tackle rotation.

Who replaces Haynesworth if he's moved?

He has us over a barrel.

He's been given his money.

Let him work in isolation--show up for contractually obligated practices--and move on with this issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 8:48 AM

Here. Here. Here (in my best English accent).

BTW Moe, I agree with you on Detroit taking Okung with their pick--I've been beating that drum (get it? beating drum, Redskins) for about a week. Man, we gotta hope for the best, but prepare for the worse.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | April 8, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN Insider:

Portis and Albert in package deal?
9:30AM ET
Clinton Portis | Redskins | Interested: Lions?
Top Email

Yesterday, we got word from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that all the trade talk surrounding Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth was overblown, casting serious doubt on the rumors. But that hasn't quelled the chatter in the past 24 hours. John Niyo of the Detroit News got confirmation from a source that the Detroit Lions are interested, while Tom Kowalski of MLive.com outlines a way for the team to circumvent the league rules prohibiting teams from trading players for cash. As we know, the 'Skins just paid Haynesworth a $21 million bonus; Kowalski's suggestion is for Haynesworth to agree to re-pay some of that bonus and then be paid in accordance with that re-payment by the Lions.

Andrew Brandt of National Football Post offers a suggestion. Perhaps another team would also take on Clinton Portis -- and his contract -- as well, therefore indirectly helping the Redskins out. Portis has $6.43 million guaranteed coming to him this season.

Kevin Seifert

Portis would benefit Detroit, too

"The Lions do have a short-term need at running back while Kevin Smith continues his knee rehabilitation."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM


He broke a moral fabric? Are you serious? He is not attending a "voluntary" workout. That would be like you or I not attending the office christmas party. Where did AH state he doesnt want to win? Where does it state that voluntary workouts equal success on the field? Shanahan got tough with Plummer and got rid of him, and he hasnt been to the playoffs since. He won his superbowls in the 90's which was ten years ago. So like Gibbs that needs to be put in perspective. The NFL is far different than it was 10+ years ago. Shanahan needs to learn that if you want a man to do something for him you need to address him as one. You dont throw barbs through the press and expect that to work. There are no winners in this game as long as this crap continues.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is an Al Davis kind of player. He can spend his waning years in Oakland purgatory like Warren Sapp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:18 AM

Coming here, McNabb talks about playing 4-5 more years. At the prospect of going to Oakland, he was talking retirement. Oakland = Guantanamo. See the career paths of D. Hall, W. Sapp, R. Moss. Asomugha has been extraordinarily renditioned there.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I think you are making an assumption that AH is not working out and getting himself in top condition. His plan is to use a proven method to ensure that he will be in better condition this year. Let's wait until training camp and see what shape he is in. I want to see him put a hurting on Tony Homo, Kevin Kolb and LBM.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 9:47 AM |

I think we are going off the fact that he wasn't in good condition last year, or any other year except his contract year.


Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse


And yet he was still considered arguably the best DT in football. And fetched a 100 million contract on the market (and for folks tempted to say that was just Skins overpaying for him, keep in mind that Tampa Bay apparently offered him MORE $$).

Look, if people are pissed b/c AH isn't getting the most out of his potential, then fine. Maybe his mom or guidance counselor needs to sit him down and pep talk him.

But when you have a player that is so talented that his 75% is better than everyone else's 100%...you find ways to try to motivate him, but at the end of the day you live with it. You don't ship him out of town, because the bottom line is: He's still better than everyone else.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think we are going off the fact that he wasn't in good condition last year, or any other year except his contract year.


Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 9:51 AM

Not sure what motivates Haynesworth these days, HOWEVER (Steven A. Smith) I can tell you what motivated him 2 years ago.

Lost is this ridiculous non argument is this…

Of the 2 hour daily workouts: 30 minutes is used per day on film study to get up to speed with the new defensive philosophy and switch to a hybrid 3- 4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Portis would benefit Detroit, too

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 10:00 AM

It's not like Shanahan hasn't shipped him out before.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Also, I believe they had a winning record when Plummer was starting, irregardless of his stats.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:50 AM

Right you are, 4th!!

Denver under Plummer: 7-4
Denver under Cutler: 2-3


Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM


So, in conclusion, before I go to this funeral....

...Shanahan....another staunch Repulican.....maneuvered into what he wanted to do....and found a reason other than his real reason to get it done and everyone was buying it......

Shrewd....I like it, but I don't like it....But, as long as we win the SB, I really don't give a F#@K.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

You're right brownwood. A division rival would never use an opportunity to hurt the relationship with our best D tackle.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM


The point is, if they were so concerned with Haynesworth, they not only could have got him off the Redskins roster but they could have added him to theirs to turn loose against the team that dumped him. The fact that they didn't want him says that they don't hold him in as high regard as you think they do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I am usually a “supporter” of the beat writers up here, but I have to say that they are going way overboard trying to sensationalize this “Redskins want to trade Haynesworth” stuff. If they trade him, great, they were right all along. But they are trying to turn this into a media feud, where literally all they have are unnamed sources. Do they have ANY quotes from Haynesworth since he went on record saying he didn’t like playing NT but would do whatever the coaches told him? Don’t think so. The only other thing they can say he said was that he wants to come back in better shape than ever and prove that he is the best DL in the game. Now the post is hyping it as a “standoff” or a “battle of wills”, when they have NOTHING from the coach, or the player in question, other than the skins tried to deal him to the Eagles. Every time they find out he is skipping optional stuff they are treating it like he is calling out shananhan for control of the team, and they run with it like it’s a huge bombshell.

I know this sounds wrong, but someone tell me when Larry Michael starts saying the skins are trying to get rid of him, or that he and shanny are now embattled in a huge test of wills or grudge match. Sheesh.

I’m in P1funk’s camp on this one. Keep the guy on the team. He will be a force, until he shows me that he isn’t……unless you can get two 1st rounders for him.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

skinsfanintampa

"Check out a Rays game my man.. 2-0 baby!"


It's Yanks v Rays this weekend, so I'll get a look.

I caught two Rays SP training games, and there are very good.

It's a shame these three teams are in the same division, but it's awesome to watch them fight things out.

Oh well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

moe, don't get me started on needing a bat, Ortiz has been dun-DONE for over a year now....go get the cat from SD, and roll.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Injuries notwithstanding, I never got how one season you can be a great AND clutch hitter then just not have it anymore.

Not just with Ortiz but a few people -- who aren't even that old.

Pitchers too.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Portis and Albert in package deal?
9:30 AM ET
Clinton Portis | Redskins | Interested: Lions?

Yesterday, we got word from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that all the trade talk surrounding Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth was overblown, casting serious doubt on the rumors. But that hasn't quelled the chatter in the past 24 hours. John Niyo of the Detroit News got confirmation from a source that the Detroit Lions are interested, while Tom Kowalski of MLive.com outlines a way for the team to circumvent the league rules prohibiting teams from trading players for cash. As we know, the 'Skins just paid Haynesworth a $21 million bonus; Kowalski's suggestion is for Haynesworth to agree to re-pay some of that bonus and then be paid in accordance with that re-payment by the Lions.

Andrew Brandt of National Football Post offers a suggestion. Perhaps another team would also take on Clinton Portis -- and his contract -- as well, therefore indirectly helping the Redskins out. Portis has $6.43 million guaranteed coming to him this season.

Kevin Seifert
Portis would benefit Detroit, too

"The Lions do have a short-term need at running back while Kevin Smith continues his knee rehabilitation."

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Flound....I'd have to take Lisa side on this argument......HE was at 85% of the voluntary workouts. And they went 13-3 the year before. And he was the vocal leader during the year. To coorborate this, we would need to know the percentages of all players who showed up.

McNAbb never went to voluntary workouts and worked out in Arizona.

Mike Shanny = Napolean from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM |

Don't care who's side you take they were 7-4 despite him not because of him, same argument used on Grossman taking the Bears to the SB.

His skills had diminshed and it was time for the young guy to get his chance happens in the NFL all the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is EVERYONE with the exception of AH is here and accounted for THIS OFFSEASON, looking to make an impression on the new boss. His absence is just another in a long line of examples that he's not Redskin--or Shanahan--material.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


There we go again...

A "long line" of examples, eh?

Have pity on one as ignorant as me and please line up the examples so I can see how long they are??

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I know you don't care...I'm just sayin....

They went downhill after their leader was benched....So, it turnt into a lost season.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Every freaking year we have the same story all over the NFL. the news media presents it like the PLAYER is WRONG, INSUBORDINATE and essentially CRIMINAL!!! The workouts are voluntary per NFL rules. if the NFL or teams want them to be there, pay them. Make the contracts 12-month contracts, but stop this non-sense. Enough already.

for the past 10-years we have read about players that do not report. Gibbs apparently had no-one on his rosters phone number. he never heard from Shawn Springs nor Sean Taylor during the offseason. yet, they were always in shape and ready to play.

Clinton portis is always there apparently but never feels he should run or participate. he's out of shape the entire season and no-one says a thing.

Everyone is knocking Haynesworth, but the OL guy from INdy or some team already said what Haynesworth does. He plays a few downs, fakes being injured because he is tired and leaves the game. So, if the Redskins scouting report did not note that stop whining as usual. if the guy plays that way and is dominant, live with it and stop the b itching.

Posted by: oknow1 | April 8, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

red

"Injuries notwithstanding, I never got how one season you can be a great AND clutch hitter then just not have it anymore."

I'll say what you won't: Ortiz had something to help him be so clutch.

It's called a needle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

You're right brownwood. A division rival would never use an opportunity to hurt the relationship with our best D tackle.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM


The point is, if they were so concerned with Haynesworth, they not only could have got him off the Redskins roster but they could have added him to theirs to turn loose against the team that dumped him. The fact that they didn't want him says that they don't hold him in as high regard as you think they do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse


Or maybe it says that the Eagles were not interested in an older veteran player (even a great one) with a bigger contract because they are specifically going young and cheap to rebuild through the draft.

Why do you think they wanted to move McNabb to begin with?

McNabb himself said it - they are going young.

They wanted the picks. It doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Incredible, a conversation about tradeing Albert after just playing a year and already been paid the bulk of his guarenteed bonus. It's just bad business. But show's you how big of an ego Shanny has. It does not suprise me at all. Shanny runs this team not snyder. To me portis and AH are the last major moves left from the snyder-cerrato era. What's next? JC17 on the trading block?

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is EVERYONE with the exception of AH is here and accounted for THIS OFFSEASON, looking to make an impression on the new boss. His absence is just another in a long line of examples that he's not Redskin--or Shanahan--material.

Posted by: brownwood26

Everyone? Nope...Andre Carter is not at the Park. And I don't believe he is the only no show.

A

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

IT’S VOLUNTARY!

who care's what shanahan want's. He can not do anything about it! Big Fella is already paid and knows if he gets cut for working out on his own he'll be in for another big pay day. Do your thing Big Fella, just show up ready to crack some heads!

Posted by: Michael_ASU | April 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is EVERYONE with the exception of AH is here and accounted for THIS OFFSEASON, looking to make an impression on the new boss. His absence is just another in a long line of examples that he's not Redskin--or Shanahan--material.

Posted by: brownwood26

Everyone? Nope...Andre Carter is not at the Park. And I don't believe he is the only no show.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It's a shame these three teams are in the same division, but it's awesome to watch them fight things out.

Oh well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Going to the game on Sunday.. Its still amazing that the stands will be close to 50/50 Rays fans to Yank fans.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, OMG...stop calling him "the best DT in football"...that's crap. He had a great '07 season and a dominant '08 season. The ONLY year anyone said he was the best DT was after '08. NOBODY said that (except you and his mom, of course) in '09.

Geez, where do I start...Haynesworth has never played a full season as a starter (played all 16 only when he was a part-time player as a rookie), has 14.5 of his career 28 sacks in his two contract years, has yet to consistently demonstrate a work ethic befitting an elite NFL player, has openly criticized his D-coordinator and head coach...do I need more, or do you get the picture?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

These people who make millions and have the privilege to play in the NFL should earn it by being available to work year round. Spoiled brats!

Posted by: jgluke | April 8, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

READ THIS p1-

Of the 2 hour daily workouts: 30 minutes is used per day on film study to get up to speed with the new defensive philosophy and switch to a hybrid 3- 4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I like Haynesworth but he is not going to win this battle.


Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I didn't watch all the 'Skins games last year (a first for me in many many many years), but what I recall most about the ones I did see was that the only time Fatsworth got time on camera, he was laying on the field or grimacing about his latest injury on the sidelines. I don't recall him ever making one great play. Not one. Cut him, and I bet his future is as bright as Plummer's was that fateful day he got traded to Tampa.

Posted by: soloman5000 | April 8, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

red

"Injuries notwithstanding, I never got how one season you can be a great AND clutch hitter then just not have it anymore."

I'll say what you won't: Ortiz had something to help him be so clutch.

It's called a needle.

Posted by: MistaMoe


I always suspected that he may have been "PED'ing" it up, but I thought with all the names that have dropped -- names like 'Rodriguez' and 'Ramirez' -- Ortiz name would have came out as well.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

If AH is viewed as a solid teamate, consummate professional with drive and dedication. Any team that gets him is getting him for cheap and with 4years left on his contract. We NEED DRAFT PICKS. Not just one draft pick we need MULTIPLE DRAFT PICKS. Get it done. We have 1 pick in the top 100.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

... Don't care who's side you take they were 7-4 despite him not because of him, same argument used on Grossman taking the Bears to the SB. ...

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM

I haven't been following this particular blog debate closely (I think its about Cutler and Plummer, maybe Plummer and Shanahan), and I don't have the statistics handy, but the way I remember it, Grossman was hurt during the season and Orton filled in for the latter part of the season. I just remember that Grossman got more credit than he deserved about the Bears being in the Super Bowl ... and what a crappy Super Bowl it was.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

READ THIS p1-

Of the 2 hour daily workouts: 30 minutes is used per day on film study to get up to speed with the new defensive philosophy and switch to a hybrid 3- 4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:17 AM

Film, shmilm. Maybe you missed the earlier convo? Haynesworth agreed with Vinny that he's only playing DT in a 4-3. So he don't need to see no stinkin' film. He's sticking to what he agreed to, irregardless of what the other ten guys are doing out there -- or eleven guys when he's sucking oxy on the sidelines.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

new defensive philosophy and switch to a hybrid 3- 4.


This is code for we want to run a standard Pittsburgh 3-4 but we dont have the personnel, so this is what we will call it so we dont look like total idiots while we get the right people in. They have training camps for a reason.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: the Skins have to change their culture of losing, and that seems to include building a "team" concept or identity.

Coaches, QBs, Pro-Bowlers from other teams... we've ghad them all over the past 2 decades.

A "team" concept is what Gibbs I brought to the table. It's also what Tony Dungy identified as missing from the Skins.

I don't know if Shanahan is going to bring a "team" concept, or continue the pattern of doing what's been tried and failed over these many years. His style reminds me of Marty Schottenheimer, right down to employing his son as a coach.

I would have loved if we could have gotten Tony Dungy, but I suspect he is not inclined to coach for Snyder.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"...a conversation about tradeing Albert after just playing a year and already been paid the bulk of his guarenteed bonus. It's just bad business. But it show's you how big of an ego Shanny has."

Sir, this conversation is being generated by a newspaper's lazy sport's department which is violating the rule about spreading unsubstantiated rumor as fact.

We bloggas can toss things into the air to see if they stick, not the folks calling themselves professional journalists.

When and if Haynesworth is moved is NOT worthy discussion if no one confirms that same is about to occur.

And if it does happen, then it's news.

There more responsible track would be to explain the effect of Haynesworth's absence on the skins' defense.

There is no other defensive tackle on the roster capable of being the force that Haynesworth is.

Mr. Reid and his yellow journalism minions would do well to point that out before asking if he should be moved.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe it says that the Eagles were not interested in an older veteran player (even a great one) with a bigger contract because they are specifically going young and cheap to rebuild through the draft.

Why do you think they wanted to move McNabb to begin with?

McNabb himself said it - they are going young.

They wanted the picks. It doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:09 AM


I don't get that! I mean, AH is the most dominant player to EVER play in the NFL! He's Reggie White incarnate! How in the world could a team with legit playoff aspirations pass on the single greatest defensive player of all-time?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Andrew Brandt of National Football Post offers a suggestion. Perhaps another team would also take on Clinton Portis -- and his contract -- as well, therefore indirectly helping the Redskins out. Portis has $6.43 million guaranteed coming to him this season.

Kevin Seifert
Portis would benefit Detroit, too

"The Lions do have a short-term need at running back while Kevin Smith continues his knee rehabilitation."

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Total BS. Not even Matt Millen would be stupid enough to pay 6.4 mil to an aging, declining RB who missed a big chunk of last season due to injury, when younger, cheaper backs with more upside can be had in free agency and the draft. One of the three aging, high profile backs that the 'Skins have, even maybe Portis himself, will probably be cut eventually, and can then be signed for peanuts. This one doesn't pass the smell test.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 8, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in team and one individual cannot put himself above the team. This might be a concept difficult for some on RI, for Haynesworth and even for Jake Plummer, but the fact remains that if you can't be there every day in the offseason to show your teammates you are going to be there for them through thick and thin, then how are they ever going to trust you to bring the goods when you are down in the trenches? The team concept is born in the weight room and in the training room, and then it migrates to the field. Shanahan's discipline is like a ray of sunshine. This is what this team has sorely lacked for a long time, and yes, there are going to be a lot of players that are going to buck it because they have been a collection of individuals up to this point.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

True, true, true. I wonder how many off season sessions Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Eli Manning (yuck), Donovan McNaab, Reggie White, and Jerry Rice missed over thier careers? If they did, I'm sure they all had very legit reasons and not a lame excuse like I needed a break.

Hard work now pays huge dividends during the season. If not in great physical play than in great team chemistry.

Hmmm, see Portis, TO, Haynesworth, etc...

Get what you can and move on. This team is in no way ready to win it all now. Competitive, mayber yes? But not a super bowl contender and Shannahan and Allen know this and want guys who will get us there in the near future.

No dynasty is built in one day or on the pillars of one man.

Posted by: Devo2 | April 8, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Yea, Plummer’s future has really sucked; he's retired in a gorgeous mansion on a lake in Idaho and coaches high school football”. Sounds like he got a raw deal.

Posted by: Michael_ASU | April 8, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think caps lock should be outlawed.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Both AH and CP gone? Some of you'll wet dreams may become a reality.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Yea, Plummer’s future has really sucked; he's retired in a gorgeous mansion on a lake in Idaho and coaches high school football”. Sounds like he got a raw deal.

Posted by: Michael_ASU | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Going to the game on Sunday.. Its still amazing that the stands will be close to 50/50 Rays fans to Yank fans.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa


It still won't have nothing on the Nationals opening day.

The "Natinals" are such a joke. Their management is atrocious. I read somewhere that the NATS PR called PHILLIES FANS back in December asking would they like to reserve tickets.

*facepalm*

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

all u 'skinheads praising Cutler have forgotten his W-L record, much less last year with the Bears.
we Charger fans miss Cutler!
as a UT Vol alum, we r used to Albert's ways. u better also...

Posted by: mloaks | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

And, yes, I am aware that MM is no longer calling the shots for the Lions. Just using him as an example

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 8, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall him ever making one great play. Not one.

Posted by: soloman5000 | April 8, 2010 10:20 AM

I remember AH stuffing 4th and one plays.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 8, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Both AH and CP gone? Some of you'll wet dreams may become a reality.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM


I'll be creaming if we get a 2nd and 3rd rounder with maybe say carriker and atogwe thrown in there from the rams. Hey we got Mcnabb for a 2nd and 3rd. anything is possible.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Everyone? Nope...Andre Carter is not at the Park. And I don't believe he is the only no show.

A


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 10:11 AM |

Source please an not the Wapo.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

It still won't have nothing on the Nationals opening day.

The "Natinals" are such a joke. Their management is atrocious. I read somewhere that the NATS PR called PHILLIES FANS back in December asking would they like to reserve tickets.

*facepalm*

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM |

Still furious over this. Absolute morons.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I like Haynesworth but he is not going to win this battle.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 10:18 AM

This is truth and its almost all there really is to say about this. I like Haynesworth's attitude toward the media and to the game. Its like he recognizes that talking to the media is a game he has to play and he doesn't try too hard to hide that he's answering the questions because he has to (and he gets plenty of stupid questions), but all he really wants to do is play football. I like that he goes into a trance in the couple few hours before a game, doesn't talk at all, and that coaches know not to even bother trying to talk to him during a game. I like that, after Carter, he played the most defensive snaps of anyone else on defense. When he stomped on Andre Gurode's head, knocking off Gurode's helmet, and them stomping again, I thought he had some issues. When he became a Skin and would lining up against Gurode again (twice a season!), I looked forward to that (F Dallas). When asked about his salary, his attitude was something like "someone wants to pay you $100M, would YOU say no?"

But I agree that, if he doesn't want to play nose tackle, and they don't let him play DE in the 3-4, then he won't be happy here, no matter how much they pay him ... and that will be reflected on the field. Its in both sides' interests to find him a new home.

Bottom line: Whateves.

p.s. to those going nuts about WaPo making something out of nothing: GMs, coaches, and owners around the League (including on the Skins) don't really follow RI and what gets posted up here doesn't really have any effect on the decisions being made.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: the Skins have to change their culture of losing, and that seems to include building a "team" concept or identity.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 10:23 AM


Exactly.

And that sometimes means dumping more talented players for lesser guys that will work hard and go all in for the system and the team.

So if we go into the season with (hypothetically) Maake Kemoeatu at NT over Haynesworth, I'm 100% behind that because he will have demonstrated to Coach Shanahan that he's a team guy and will shut up and play wherever and however they want him to play. Not draw lines in the sand over what you will and won't show up for.

Sometimes it's better to have a 2nd tier guy that fits your system than it is to have "the greatest DT in football" playing a position he doesn't want to.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I understand Campbell is not at the park, but I think we can all understand him not wanting to show up.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I think caps lock should be outlawed.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 10:27 AM

It's more complicated than that. Nothing in the contract says you can't use caps lock. It's voluntary. People who use caps locks are not team players. They're not showing leadership. They're lazy butt, me-firsters. They take plays off. There is no I in caps locks (even if I is capitalized).

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: the Skins have to change their culture of losing, and that seems to include building a "team" concept or identity.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 10:23 AM

I know yesterday got off on a bad foot with the spelling and grammar police, but shouldn't the "bottom line" be at the bottom of a post instead of the top?

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

BTW I saw that the SF Giants had a misspelling on a uniform for opening day.
it was on a backups shirt...
San Francicso

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

It still won't have nothing on the Nationals opening day.

The "Natinals" are such a joke. Their management is atrocious. I read somewhere that the NATS PR called PHILLIES FANS back in December asking would they like to reserve tickets.

*facepalm*

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 10:28 AM |

Still furious over this. Absolute morons.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

There was a picture on ESPN that showed all of the Utley and Howard jerseys in the stands and it reminded me of the Rays games.. so annoying.

While on the subject, I remember the Skins/Steelers game recently where the "terrible towls" were waiving all over FedEx.. even more annoying!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"I don't recall him (AH) ever making one great play. Not one."

He doesn't have to.

If he takes or occupies two other blockers, and A Carter or B Orakpo get a sack, then his great play is made.

Plus, remember he is a freelancer who operated under the strictures of a scheme he didn't like.

I was not for the move to get Haynesworth, but now that he's here, he must stay as there is no other defensive tackle on the team who can be as destructive if properly motivated.

Leave the guy be.

Next topic, please.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I understand Campbell is not at the park, but I think we can all understand him not wanting to show up.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 10:36 AM


I'm pretty sure he was told not to show up...Titans did this to Steve McNair a few years back, it's always a precursor to a trade/release.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:24 AM |

J reid is just stirring the pot. Got it. thanks. No news here all speculation. Shanny and Allen have no history of jettisoning overpriced talent. Sure. A week ago there was a rumor that the skins were going to trade for McNabb.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Sir, this conversation is being generated by a newspaper's lazy sport's department which is violating the rule about spreading unsubstantiated rumor as fact.

We bloggas can toss things into the air to see if they stick, not the folks calling themselves professional journalists. ... Mr. Reid and his yellow journalism minions would do well to point that out ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:24 AM

Moe, I love ya like RedDMV loves rage, but I gotta disagree with you on this. What the WaPo guys put up here is the same as what we do ... and the same rules/non-rules apply. Its all speculation, conjecture, repeating rumors, etc. Nobody pretends that this is journalism. The journalism is the articles (and to a MUCH lesser extent, columns) that get published ... the stuff they have editors for. What goes up here is no better, no worse, no different from what WE put here, what Kiper or McShay or Florio put out there, or frankly, even the stuff tossed out there by Schefter or Jasno. When something is multi-sourced and confirmed, THEN its published as an article. Prior to that, we get maybe one guess based on a text or phone call or email to someone who may or may not have an incentive to mislead the person throwing it out there. I'd rather have the fragments to put them together myself (i.e., figure out what makes sense vs. what just doesn't add up), then wait for it as fully formed "news."

Bottom line: Agree to disagree.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Andrew Brandt of National Football Post offers a suggestion. Perhaps another team would also take on Clinton Portis -- and his contract -- as well, therefore indirectly helping the Redskins out. Portis has $6.43 million guaranteed coming to him this season.

Kevin Seifert
Portis would benefit Detroit, too

"The Lions do have a short-term need at running back while Kevin Smith continues his knee rehabilitation."

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:04 AM
-----------------------------------------
I could imagine how that conversation would go:

DETROIT: We'll give you a 2nd round and a 3rd round pick for big Al.

WASHINGTON: Why don't we sweeten the pot by throwing in CP. What will you give us then.

DETROIT: We'll give you a 7th round pick and a bag of pretzels.

WASHINGTON: No, no... I said we would add CP to the deal...

DETROIT: Right. We'll give you a 7th round pick and a ticket to CATS on Broadway.

WASHINGTON: What did you say you'd give us for Haynesworth by himself?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure he was told not to show up...Titans did this to Steve McNair a few years back, it's always a precursor to a trade/release.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I heard it on the radio, they said it was voluntary on JC's part, while his agent looks for a new team and what have you.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

LOL RSH...you know CP could at least go for a family sized bag of Skittles and some Kool-Aid!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, OMG...stop calling him "the best DT in football"...that's crap. He had a great '07 season and a dominant '08 season. The ONLY year anyone said he was the best DT was after '08. NOBODY said that (except you and his mom, of course) in '09.

Geez, where do I start...Haynesworth has never played a full season as a starter (played all 16 only when he was a part-time player as a rookie), has 14.5 of his career 28 sacks in his two contract years, has yet to consistently demonstrate a work ethic befitting an elite NFL player, has openly criticized his D-coordinator and head coach...do I need more, or do you get the picture?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse


I've been calling AH "arguably the best DT in football", which he is.

If you don't think he's in the Top 5 debate/discussion, then you are just wrong.

First, I didn't know that injury meant a player is not "Redskin material". In that case we should never have gotten McNabb who has played all 16 games of a season only twice since 2001.

Second, your "sack" argument is pretty dishonest, and I think you know that. Last season, AH had 4 sacks which put him sixth in the league for DTs/NTs. He also had 11 "QB hits" which tied him for 1st in the league. In the years before that he was among the top 2/3 in the league for sacks among NTs/DTs. Over the past three years he's been a consistent force for getting sacks as a DT/NT.

But you know that's not even his greatest impact; it's the way he drasw double and triple teams to free up others, and we've seen that impact on Kyle VanDenBosche's sack numbers and now Andre Carter's sack numbers. Seriosuly, I think you are intelligent guy and the fact that you don't even mention this aspect of his play/imapct is pretty dishonest.

So frankly, your "productivity" argument is flat-out wrong.

THe "work ethic" issue has been addressed ad nauseum, and it's really the only criticism that reasonable sticks. Sometimes he's not a hard-worker. Fine. He's not the only one. But that argument is mitigated by the fact that he's still a highly productive player and he IS among the top in his position in the league. Like I said before. 75% of AH is still better than the overwhleming majority of DTs/NTs giving 100%.

And are you really going to dog him for calling out Blache and Zorn last year??? The Redskins were a total Mickey Mouse operation! Those clowns DESERVED to be called out. When he did that, I gave him a standing ovation, and I bet there were alot of teammates who felt the same. But I don't recall him fighting with coaches in Tennessee, and teh fact that he came to talk to Shanny face to face about the workouts shows maturity and respect.

So, I think your "long line" really boils down to this - he has a questionable work ethic.

I just can't believe that alone is grounds for trading one of the best players in the league at his position.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall him ever making one great play. Not one.

Posted by: soloman5000 | April 8, 2010 10:20 AM

The Skins were the #1 defense stopping 4th down attempts. They were #7 at stopping 1st and goal. Haynesworth was THE KEY to stopping the short yardage game.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I heard it on the radio, they said it was voluntary on JC's part, while his agent looks for a new team and what have you.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 10:49 AM

This is his mistake. If he'd go he might learn some leadership skills from McNabb plus he'd be more valuable to another team if he's got Shanahan's playbook than if the doesn't. In fact, that may be his only value.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I know yesterday got off on a bad foot with the spelling and grammar police, but shouldn't the "bottom line" be at the bottom of a post instead of the top?

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:39 AM

Not where I work. Anyone whose been in the Air Force or worked with them is familiar with the BLUF--Bottom Line Up Front.

Generally, senior officers hate weeding through the noise to get to the point of what you're saying.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

And yet he was still considered arguably the best DT in football. And fetched a 100 million contract on the market (and for folks tempted to say that was just Skins overpaying for him, keep in mind that Tampa Bay apparently offered him MORE $$).

Look, if people are pissed b/c AH isn't getting the most out of his potential, then fine. Maybe his mom or guidance counselor needs to sit him down and pep talk him.

But when you have a player that is so talented that his 75% is better than everyone else's 100%...you find ways to try to motivate him, but at the end of the day you live with it. You don't ship him out of town, because the bottom line is: He's still better than everyone else.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:01 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Haynesworth 2009 = 4-12 team record. Even if he was as good as the slurpers say last year, how did that improve the team as a whole? Which game did he win? Which game did he dominate?

What is the sound of a 4-12 record?

It sounds like a collection of individuals cashing paychecks, with a few having great individual seasons.

4-12.

4-12.

Dona nobis pachem.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Source please an not the Wapo.

Posted by: Flounder21

Larry Michael - Redskins Park - Redskins Nation.

Do you seriously believe that I am getting my info from the WaPo? I know they just want to stir up trouble.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Skins were the #1 defense stopping 4th down attempts. They were #7 at stopping 1st and goal. Haynesworth was THE KEY to stopping the short yardage game.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I recall one 4th down where AH made a great play to stop the run... but had the wind knocked out of him and as a result had to leave the game.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Could-Skins-add-Portis-to-a-Haynesworth-deal.html

The WaPo RI sucks, they have no clue what they are talking about, and are left to grasp straws and settle for sloppy seconds.

The above article details how it would be damn near impossible to move Haynesworth.

Posted by: KellRawLive | April 8, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

4-12.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall him ever making one great play. Not one.

Posted by: soloman5000 | April 8, 2010 10:20 AM


I don't recall London Fletcher ever making on great play last year. Not one.

Seriously, are we now judging a guy's value based on highlight reels???

That's how Brand LLoyd ended up here with $15 mill guaranteed.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Larry Michael - Redskins Park - Redskins Nation.

Do you seriously believe that I am getting my info from the WaPo? I know they just want to stir up trouble.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 10:58 AM |

Thanks did he say why?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

dcsween


point-taken

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Jason Whitlock is a d-bag, but Tiki Barber is a bigger d-bag. I think is 8-months-pregnant-with-twins wife looks hot.

http://www.panasianbiz.com/all-about-america/traci-lynn-johnson-is-tiki-barber-girlfriend-dumps-wife-ginny-barber-photos/

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

When you're the highest-paid guy in the building, a little more is expected of you. Haynesworth was on thin ice the moment that Shanahan was hired, and he's done nothing to improve his status since then. I strongly doubt he will be on the Redskins' roster this season.

Posted by: acoberst1 | April 8, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I think that all of you are confused when you are comparing these "voluntary" workouts, which according to the CBA between the players and owners, should not allow that a player be penalized in any s=fashion if he doesn't participate and working your Mon-Fri 9-5. How about this comparison, if you boss asks for "volunteers" to work every Sat and Sunday for the summer months. You decide that one or two of those weekends you would like to take a family vacation. Should you be fired for not "volunteering" every weekend???

Some one please answer that question. BTW, I must state that you will get no more compensation than your regular weekly pay ofr volunteering. Sound fair to you??

Posted by: JMac_in_MD | April 8, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse


Source please an not the Wapo.

Posted by: Flounder21

Larry Michael - Redskins Park - Redskins Nation.

Do you seriously believe that I am getting my info from the WaPo? I know they just want to stir up trouble.

Posted by: Lisa_R

This is satire right? You actually list the Redskins Puff Organization as a Source?

And by the way, it is a newspaper's job to "stir up trouble," by which, I suspect you mean, report stuff.

Free country, free press. You want to live somewhere where there Is no free press? I'm sure there are lots of countries that will welcome you

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

KellRawLive is it a long article. Can you post it?

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Yea Plummer was whining and complaining that Shanny benched him because he missed voluntary workouts...well...if you sucked as bad as Plummer did that year it was probably because he really didnt care anymore...and it showed because he hasnt played in the NFL since...and plus he was the f-ing qb and he was supposed to be a leader...a leader is there every single day and does not miss any voluntary or offseason workouts at all

Posted by: kickass10101 | April 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Generally, senior officers hate weeding through the noise to get to the point of what you're saying.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 10:57 AM

Same thing here. Briefings start with "purpose" and "issue" ... the person who the briefing is for tunes out (once they know what the answer is) and the only people who have to listen are the food chain in between.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Why do you think they wanted to move McNabb to begin with?

McNabb himself said it - they are going young.

They wanted the picks. It doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:09 AM


I don't get that! I mean, AH is the most dominant player to EVER play in the NFL! He's Reggie White incarnate! How in the world could a team with legit playoff aspirations pass on the single greatest defensive player of all-time?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse


Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, brownie. Thanks for the shout-out

I'll add you to the p1funk Fan Club.

And if you'd like to provide a serious non-satirical response to my point, I'm waiting...

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm not of the school that says we have to get rid of AH, no matter what. His talent and impact were obvious to anyone who watched all the games last year (unlike the national media dolts). With that said however, if AH develops a pattern of bucking leadership and being counterproductive then he does have to be gone. That attitude and his bloated contract represent everything that the skins are trying to change.

AH sure has an interesting set of values. The majority of people who have been so heavily compensated by their employer, would at least feel some obligation to do everything asked of them.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I think is 8-months-pregnant-with-twins wife looks hot.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 11:04 AM

Plus she's gonna get all his assets in dee-vorce court. The bimbo she's gonna be gettin sloppy seconds, and that's about all.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth was on thin ice the moment that Shanahan was hired,

Posted by: acoberst1 | April 8, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

And we all know, AH on thin ice is not a good thing...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: the Skins have to change their culture of losing...

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 10:23 AM

...t shouldn't the "bottom line" be at the bottom of a post instead of the top?

Posted by: dcsween

I think he's just following the principle of writing to his audience. See, "Bottom line" at the top is an Oxymoron, and Lord knows there are plenty of those here.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth 2009 = 4-12 team record. Even if he was as good as the slurpers say last year, how did that improve the team as a whole? Which game did he win? Which game did he dominate?

What is the sound of a 4-12 record?

It sounds like a collection of individuals cashing paychecks, with a few having great individual seasons.

4-12.

4-12.

Dona nobis pachem.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse


Great point.

We should cut or trade all of them - London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Andre Carter, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Devin Thomas.

The whole lot. Gone.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

You know what? Plummer's right. If my workplace had a VOLUNTARY training seminar and I didn't show up, and they started punishing me for it, I'd be angry, and justifiably so. If it's voluntary, then it's voluntary, and the word voluntary doesn't just imply, it out-and-out means that no one is required to participate.

This is where a bunch of you are going to come back with "But he makes millions of dollars!" or some other form of implication that the desirability of a pro football player's job changes his obligations. And that's just a load of crap. If Haynesworth's, or Plummer's, or anybody else's pay-scale changes their obligations, then the workouts wouldn't still be called "voluntary." What we're talking about isn't laziness on the part of players, but rather a ridiculous, petty, and destructive power-trip on the part of a coach - a coach who, it should be noted, has never so much as won a playoff game with a team he himself assembled.

Posted by: manalive | April 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Didn't know Voluntary was the synonym for Mandatory. I agree with Plummer if that is true. Phillip Daniels, Shawn Springs, and a few other Vets rarely showed up for these in the past and opted to work out with their Trainers at home. What's the fuss all about?

I'm sure they'll address this in the next CBA.

Posted by: dcwun | April 8, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Larry Michael has credibility?

He is too much of a yes man do boy lap dog for me to give his words any credence.

Not that I expect him to, but have you ever heard Larry Micheal give anyone on the Redskins any realcriticism other than: "They didn't play well" or "They gotta step it up"?

I'll end the suspense: Never.

I've heard Larry Micheal defend the most dumbest moves, and I don't fault him. It's how he pays his bills and puts food on the table.

Come to think of it, I don't believe Larry Michael has EVER said anything negative about ANYTHING the Redskins have done.

If he has, I'm listening.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, it is grounds to trade him if the current coach doesn't like him or the way he fits this system.

We'll never agree on this, which is fine. But just understand that the Saints didn't have a DT like Haynesworth last season and won it all. The Giants didn't have a Haynesworth when they won the SB, but had about 5 or 6 really good D-lineman and pulled off the biggest upset in SB history.

The Redskins managed to win 3 SBs without a guy even close AH's physical talents...and as a fan of this team, I've seen both sides of the coin. I've seen teams here win SBs with a bunch of role players coming together and playing as a team. Conversely, I've seen some of the most talented teams (on paper) ever assembled go 8-8 or worse.

Winning teams are built on hard work and commitment. Regardless of whether you accept the "long list", the one item on the list you conceded to just happens to be the one item that matters the most.

And it's the item that will likely put AH in another uniform come September.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

manalive,

what are your thoughts then on the nearly 100% participation by the rest of the team?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 8, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Dang, I'm preachy this morning. Memo to self: Have coffee BEFORE posting here.

Mmmmm. Delicious caffein. Now I can say it, using the words of Boz Skaggs in the clasic, Lido Shuffle.

"Toe the line or blow it" and that was all she wrote."

It's a team game. Haynesworth has said he doesn't care about team chemistry, doesn't care about team conditioning, doesn't care about learning the plays, for which he has been paid $42. million.

I'm sorry. This fat out of shape, albeit talented, load of self-indulgence was just paid $21 million dollars and he's in a snit?

Dude, watch out for your Karma.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Great point.

We should cut or trade all of them - London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Andre Carter, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Devin Thomas.

The whole lot. Gone.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse


You're missing the point. Those guys you listed are participating in the offseason program (with the exception of Carter who may not be around anyway). They realize that their individual season stats did not amount to anything other than a 4-12 record and are buying in to the new approach.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth 2009 = 4-12 team record. Even if he was as good as the slurpers say last year, how did that improve the team as a whole? Which game did he win? Which game did he dominate?

Posted by: hithere1 | April 8, 2010 10:58 AM

Let pfunk tell it, AH is the only reason we didn't go 0-16...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Gen George Patton summed it up pretty well in his speech to the 3rd Army in June, 1944, prior to the invasion of France:

"An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse s**t. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post (insert: Sports Illustrated or Wa Po) don’t know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fornicating!"

Posted by: bones21 | April 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

sWEEN

I try not to judge a guy when that kind of stuff goes down, If I had millions who is to say I would be any better. But ya even by my relatively degenerate standards leaving an 8 month pregnant wife, its just low.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Haynesworth mess lacks an easy out
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 8, 2010 10:48 AM ET
Albert Haynesworth in Washington is a problem without an easy solution.

Mike Shanahan is trying to show who's boss, and Jake Plummer can tell you that it's hard to get out of his doghouse once you are in it. Dan Snyder is made of money, could he really accept paying Haynesworth $32 million for one season of football?

That may be his only option. Former Packers salary cap guru Andrew Brandt points out that league rules prohibit any team interested in Haynesworth from paying the Redskins back for any portion of the recent $21 million bonus they gave the defensive tackle.

The Redskins would love to convince Haynesworth to pay some of the money back to leave, but that seems far-fetched.

All parties could try to stretch the rules by having Haynesworth pay back money to Washington, then have the new team give the same amount to the player. But such a public display would be a dangerous precedent for the league to allow.

Haynesworth has a market Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean writes the Titans have interest for a bargain-basement price. MLive's Tom Kowalski says the Lions are also interested if Haynesworth is a bargain.

We think the issue comes down to whether Snyder can swallow wasting all that money.

In a sense, this isn't just a test of Mike Shanahan's power over his locker room. It could also show how much Shanahan can dictate terms to his boss.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, it is grounds to trade him if the current coach doesn't like him or the way he fits this system.

We'll never agree on this, which is fine. But just understand that the Saints didn't have a DT like Haynesworth last season and won it all. The Giants didn't have a Haynesworth when they won the SB, but had about 5 or 6 really good D-lineman and pulled off the biggest upset in SB history.

The Redskins managed to win 3 SBs without a guy even close AH's physical talents...and as a fan of this team, I've seen both sides of the coin. I've seen teams here win SBs with a bunch of role players coming together and playing as a team. Conversely, I've seen some of the most talented teams (on paper) ever assembled go 8-8 or worse.

Winning teams are built on hard work and commitment. Regardless of whether you accept the "long list", the one item on the list you conceded to just happens to be the one item that matters the most.

And it's the item that will likely put AH in another uniform come September.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse


As usual, we'll agree to disagree.

But you are wrong if you don't think AH is "arguably" the best DT/NT in the league and "certainly" among the Top 5.

Shanny may have his "grounds" to trade him for not coming to voluntary workouts - it is simply my opinion that those grounds are ridiculous when you are talking about a player of AH's caliber.

Alot of organizations win in different ways.

Jimmy Johnson was notorious for running a tight show, BUT he was also notorious for showing overt favortism to the team's best most talented players. He let Michael Irvin sleep through meetings without a peep, but if a back-up walked into the room a minute late for a meeting he'd chew him out publicly and threaten to cut him.

I just hope Shanny can have a "Tom Coughlin" moment, and realize he doesn't need to be a gestapo ego-maniac with the players in order to bring together a winning group.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

New name for the DC team...The Geriatrics -- the oldest team in the league...laughing stock of the National Football League

Shanana is cutting corners and it will blow up in his face by bringing all these OLD players. I see an ven darker future for this organization

Posted by: Incognito00 | April 8, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse s**t. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post (insert: Sports Illustrated or Wa Po) don’t know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fornicating!"

Posted by: bones21 | April 8, 2010 11:19 AM


I always felt military references and comparisons to football are always insync. there is one general and his officers. then there are soldiers following the orders.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

That's how Brand LLoyd ended up here with $15 mill guaranteed.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:03 AM

Ahh, Brandon Lloyd... it's hard to recall any "big name" signings that actually paid off for the Skins.

Big Al isn't worth all the money he's paid, but he has certainly had an impact on the field. It's no coincidence Andre Carter had his best year as a Redskin playing next to Haynesworth.

Personally, I would like Hayneworth to remain, because he improves the defense.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Thanks did he say why?

Posted by: Flounder21

Larry did not say why Carter was not there - he was responding to an email from a fan and indicated he expected Carter to show up at some point - which he may have done. However, I think Larry would want to tell everyone if Carter had shown up later.

Larry also responded to an email yesterday regarding the reports the Skins are shopping Haynesworth and Landry - and he said "I believe both will be with the Skins this season."

Then again, Larry said just last week that Jason Campbell would be our QB and we know how that turned out.

RedDMV is right that Larry NEVER says anything bad about the Skins but he should have better (and more current) info than the WaPo.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

He's paid $100 million dollars....that's $100,000,000.00 and the fat lazy POS can't come in and work out?

Posted by: DaveLopan | April 8, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Great point.

We should cut or trade all of them - London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Andre Carter, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Devin Thomas.

The whole lot. Gone.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like the classic case of a guy who spent his $500 weekly paycheck on skins jerseys last year, and is now upset because he may need to purchase a few new ones this year(Nothing worse than the guy still sporting the Arrington #56 gear).. Suggestion, start you collection with the McNabb #5, its new/fresh, unlike your argument.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Tuning in late, but I think Lisa's refering to Carter not being there because he hasn't finished rehab for his torn bicep surgery yet. I think he's supposed to be ready for the first voluntary minicamp next week.

Posted by: RomoShortball | April 8, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like the classic case of a guy who spent his $500 weekly paycheck on skins jerseys last year, and is now upset because he may need to purchase a few new ones this year(Nothing worse than the guy still sporting the Arrington #56 gear).. Suggestion, start you collection with the McNabb #5, its new/fresh, unlike your argument.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 11:32 AM

Careful... that McNabb jersey could quickly end up in a box with the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, and Jason Taylor jerseys!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, comparing Jimmy Johnson's team (which btw was largely assembled pre-free agency) to this one is laughable. I'm not even gonna get into that one.

As for AH's league ranking here's who I have listed as better than him FROM A PRODUCTION, NOT TALENT STANDPOINT (in no particular order):

Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Casey Hampton
Richard Seymour
Vince Wilfork


So no...he's not in my top 5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

TWISI I tried, but apparently it's up to tha Mayor to decide if it actually gets posted. I don't think he'll go for it, since it contradicts every single piece of projectile vomit he's been belching for the past two weeks.

But it lays out exactly how difficult it would be to move him because the rules state we cannot receive any financial compensation from the receiving team. There's more to it, but that was the main thing.

Posted by: KellRawLive | April 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Tuning in late, but I think Lisa's refering to Carter not being there because he hasn't finished rehab for his torn bicep surgery yet. I think he's supposed to be ready for the first voluntary minicamp next week.

Posted by: RomoShortball | April 8, 2010 11:33 AM |

Hey, don't let facts get in the way of BS emotional arguments ok?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Tuning in late, but I think Lisa's refering to Carter not being there because he hasn't finished rehab for his torn bicep surgery yet. I think he's supposed to be ready for the first voluntary minicamp next week.

Posted by: RomoShortball | April 8, 2010 11:33 AM |

Hey, don't let facts get in the way of BS emotional arguments ok?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

...but as part of his rehab he has reportedly taken an SJK on the front seat of Shanahan's convertible and sacrificed babies and virgins to the god of strength and bodybuilding. STANDOFF!

Posted by: RomoShortball | April 8, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Lol!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I don’t understand how getting rid of Haynesworth to recoup some money helps the team……I really hope that they are not seriously considering money as compensation for trading the guy. How does getting, say $10 million back in a trade help the team in any sort of fashion, other than put money back in Snyder’s pocket? They aren’t clearing any cap room by doing so. If they are going to trade the guy, it better be for some serious draft picks.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I always felt military references and comparisons to football are always insync. there is one general and his officers. then there are soldiers following the orders.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 11:25 AM

Not in this context. The team and AH entered a contract and then there's the league's CBA. Those documents control their relationship. If it was so important to the team for AH to attend "voluntary" workouts, it should have made it an incentive in the contract. And it's not like he isn't working out at all, he just chooses to do it elsewhere. His free time is his to do with as he pleases. I bet not very many of you are voluntarily going to the office when you're on vacation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Would love to see the Skins keep AH92 on the roster -- and then declare him inactive each week -- for the duration of his contract.

Or better still, put him in uniform and leave him sitting on the end of the bench for the duration of every game -- week in and week out.

It has been done before -- with the likes of Lavar Arrington -- who, for all of his skills and talents, couldn't bring himself to play within the scheme either.

The team is contractually bound to pay AH92 his guaranteed money -- but only a fool would put him in there if he refuses to report in shape, practice with his teammates or whatever. And why would give him an opportunity to pick up his "incentive" money?

And yeah, I realize it's a waste of a roster space -- but so what? Is kissing his big old bruised butt muscle going to make him any more useful or productive? Of course not. So why bother?

Posted by: Vic1 | April 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

By Rick Maese | April 8, 2010; 6:22 AM ET

Just as the rest of you donks can learn something from me. So from now on, shut up and listen. You just might learn something!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Big Al came here to play in the 4-3, and if we were sticking with that, it would make sense to keep him... but if the die is cast for the move to 3-4 (not his decision), it makes sense to try to get some value for him and move him somewhere that he will be a better fit (and hopefully get somethign we can use in return), than it does to try to put a square peg in a round hole.

Someone had suggested a straight-up trade for Nnamdi Asoumgha, which I'd be all in favor of (not sure if the Raiders would be interested, though). Rams and Lions could both be viable partners as well, either for players or picks.

If Albert is moved, that will only leave one overpayed malcontent from the prior era still to be dealt with... do you hear the footsteps, CP?

Posted by: PDXskin | April 8, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Dan is GREEEAT...He gimme the Chocolate CAAAKE"

Take your dough doughboy and go buy a Krispy Kreme franchise and be your own best customer...Won't be long and Fatboy will be selling that boat and those expensive toys just to make rent...

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 8, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think that all of you are confused when you are comparing these "voluntary" workouts, which according to the CBA between the players and owners, should not allow that a player be penalized in any s=fashion if he doesn't participate and working your Mon-Fri 9-5. How about this comparison, if you boss asks for "volunteers" to work every Sat and Sunday for the summer months. You decide that one or two of those weekends you would like to take a family vacation. Should you be fired for not "volunteering" every weekend???

Some one please answer that question. BTW, I must state that you will get no more compensation than your regular weekly pay ofr volunteering. Sound fair to you??

Posted by: JMac_in_MD | April 8, 2010 11:06 AM
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If I got two months off a year and a ten million dollar salary I wouldn't have a problem with working weekends.

This is a poor argument and poor analogy anyway. The players get more time off from their jobs that the average Joe (what do you think they have been doing since December?) even if you include these schedule non-mandatory team activities. They have to workout and study game film in order to perform their jobs - why not do it with the team?

Geesh, you guys make it sound like everything needs to be written in a contract or it shouldn't happen. Can the coach make you run laps if you botch a block? Can the coach yell at you when you run a wrong route? Is this a football team or a nursery school? Guys knows what it takes to be good from their playing days in college and in high school. The expectation to workout with the team should not come as a surprise to anyone. Those who don't want to participate with the team should really question their line of work, because they are employed in a team sport.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

This may have already been posted, so if it was I apologize. I have neither the time nor the inclination to read this entire blog to find out.

You cannot compare AH and his refusal to come to off-season conditioning to Fletcher, Landry or Taylor's prior absences from off-season workouts. As I recall, the conditioning of those three was never an issue. And, with AH possibly switching to nose, it is very important that he be present. That being said, I don't know that we should get rid of him...I would think there would be other ways to discipline his a$$. Extra sprints at the end of practice come to mind.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 8, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Casey Hampton
Richard Seymour
Vince Wilfork


So no...he's not in my top 5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Im sitting next to a Steelers fan just asked him if he thought Hampton was better then AH, he said hell no. The williams were great as a tandem, individually no even close. Wilfork is on the same level maybe better cause he is more disciplined and Seymour is now and has been a beast but still is not better or worse then AH. At best 2 of these people are the same maybe a little better maybe a little worse.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

It's OK to let it go. Time to move on.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Someone had suggested a straight-up trade for Nnamdi Asoumgha, which I'd be all in favor of...

Posted by: PDXskin | April 8, 2010 12:00 PM


Where did you hear that? I mean, the only way that trade is proposed or accepted is if it's taking place on Madden...

If Al Davis is crazy enough to take that trade, the league would definitely step in...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2010 11:52 AM

I'm willing to give Big al the benefit of the doubt, only because he was a force last year even though he clearly was out of shape, his potential is scary awsome. but we could absolutely use additional draft picks to fill say the O line, free safety, linebacker (in a 3-4) NT are a few needs off the top. Hope I'm wrong about AH. Take the time off big fella, but be ready to stomp some heads.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

AH is pissed half of the check is going to the wifey....

Posted by: md_butler | April 8, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

he didn't come to work "85 out of 100 days"

He came to work "85% of the Extra, Voluntary days."

That's like if your job tells you they'd like you to work weekends... for free of course...

And you come and do that 85% of the time...

And then, they tell you you're demoted... because you missed 15% of the weekends.

None of you would think that's cool. No way. It's only cool with you because it's not YOUR weekends, not YOUR time, and because most of you think the athlete's LIFE is some byproduct of how his talent BELONGS to you, as a fan, so you can brag to your buddy who likes the Giants or Cowboys.

Shanahan seems like a dik. I hope he can coach, though, bottom line. But you wouldnt find me beating down the door to work for him. No way. And none of you would like to work for free, either. Especially if it meant living in Bunfuct Ashburn, VA, and you're from Texas or Washington State. Don't think so. Shanahan ought to get his crazy eyed self in there for some workouts, the maniac.

He's going to ruin our Defense with this Haynesworth thing. We are going to suk. And Haslet? Remind me what he's done, other than get fired. He's nobody. I'd take Haynesworth over Haslet every day of the year.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 8, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Difference between Andre Carter and Haynesworth is that one is keeping his mouth shut and will get traded while the other has antagnized the new boss by trying to do things his own way. That said, Shanahan handled the entire Plummer situation very poorly and as an excuse for starting a rookie QB who had never proven anything. How did that work out for Cutler, Shanahan, or Plummer?

As far as Haynesworth, he has a right to be upset after being sold a bad set of goods by BOTH ownership and the front office. The Redskins personnel including Haynesworth, Carter, Orakpo, Fletcher, and McIntyre are all better suited for a 4-3 than a 3-4. Shanahan and Haslett are trying to install a system that they like rather than one that fits the personnel. I think we'll see a big regression on defense when it becomes apparent that we have no true NT and that neither Carter or Orakpo are as effective as OLB's in a 3-4. This also will impact Fletcher who has always played in a 4-3 and needs to big DT's in front of him to ward off blockers.

Shanahan may win the battle with Haynesworth when he ships him out, but he'll lose the war when he has a much less effective defense minus his top DT and his second best pass rusher (Carter).

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Not in this context. The team and AH entered a contract and then there's the league's CBA. Those documents control their relationship. If it was so important to the team for AH to attend "voluntary" workouts, it should have made it an incentive in the contract. And it's not like he isn't working out at all, he just chooses to do it elsewhere. His free time is his to do with as he pleases. I bet not very many of you are voluntarily going to the office when you're on vacation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2010 11:52 AM
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This is the difference between a job and a career. If it's a job you just clock in every day and go through the paces. You don't go out of your way to make your company better - even if it is in your best interests - and you really don't care about your co-workers. If it's a career you do whatever it takes to get better and make your company better. You have a vested interest, so you do these things. Toss the contract. You know you are going to go beyond what is spelled out there.

I would want those people who consider football their career to be on my team, if I was a head coach. It would be my prerogative to get players like that and to get rid of players who just wanted to dial it in.

Haynesworth may get in shape working out with his own trainer, or he just might use the time to spend more time at Dunkin' Donuts. Either way, he is going to be away from his teammates and they are going to notice.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking Shanahan better now...

Posted by: ScottChallenger | April 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Im sitting next to a Steelers fan just asked him if he thought Hampton was better then AH, he said hell no. The williams were great as a tandem, individually no even close. Wilfork is on the same level maybe better cause he is more disciplined and Seymour is now and has been a beast but still is not better or worse then AH. At best 2 of these people are the same maybe a little better maybe a little worse.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 8, 2010 12:07 PM


I'm not basing this on 2008. I'm basing this over the course of their respective careers. Does AH have more potential? Yes. Has he had a more dominant individual season? Yes. But if I'm building a defense, I'd roll with any one of those 5 over Haynesworth (with the exception of Hampton).

Just my opinion.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Casey Hampton
Richard Seymour
Vince Wilfork


So no...he's not in my top 5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:39 AM |

Top 5 is not about talent or potential. It's about accomplishment and Haynesworth's attitude showed last year that he's peaked and is in the early twi-light of his career.

If he were in anyone's top 5 he would already have been traded and the 'Skins would be looking at two or three high draft picks this year or next.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Im sitting next to a Steelers fan just asked him if he thought Hampton was better then AH, he said hell no.

Posted by: Stu27


Not saying that you're right or wrong, but there are 'Skins fans who think Rock Cartwright should still be on the team.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm over these spoiled athletes. Whining cause they have to show up during offseason! I get 52 days off in a year plus Thanksgiving and Christmas! I work six days a week and two jobs. I might make in my career what some of these idiots make in a season, yet I show up, do my damned best everyday, and have missed TWO days sick in the last five years (puking is where I draw the line on being able to work).

We all have bosses and they tell us what they want. Some of us are lucky to have bosses who also allow us to provide input, but the bottom line is our bosses make the decision.

Soooooo.....

Fat Albert - you are an embarrassment - prima dona - fat, lazy, arrogant, and a part-time over paid couch potato. If your coach wants you to be a nose tackle, you best become the best nose tackle you can be OR GIVE BACK THE MONEY AND TAKE YOUR FAT ASS BACK TO TENNESSEE.

Its time athletes are treated like real working people - just because you wear a cup doesn't make you special.

Posted by: laserwizard | April 8, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

hris, Laurel DE
12:09 PM ET
Albert Haynesworth.... anyone one interested other than Titans?
Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
Detroit, Tamps have discussed it internally as well and, depending on the $$$ part of things, could make good trade partners as well. There is ample interest and the Skins could get some picks back in return, but figuring out how much Haynesworth would rework the contract, and how much of the $21 million bonus Daniel Snyder will eat is the key. There is still a very real possibility this happens between now and draft weekend.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Talking about Albert Haynesworth.

Still.....?

Move on.

(INSERT image of Moe going back to looking for work while being thankful he now has healthcare he can depend on.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

AH is pissed half of the check is going to the wifey....

Posted by: md_butler | April 8, 2010 12:11 PM

And the other half is going to the tax man.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Try coming to work 85 days out of 100 and see if you are still employed.

When I hear stuff like this, It reminds me of Iverson and his rants because his coach wanted him to come to practice.

Who do these athletes think they are. Yes Haynesworth is good, even when he is fat and out of shape. This is also showing off his character. New coach, new life. Show a little devotion to your teammates if not the team. You just got 21 million reasons to.

Quit making excuses for him. There should not be a double standard for him.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 8, 2010 7:35 AM
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From Webster's Dictionary:

voluntary

vol·un·tar·y [ vóllən tèrree ]

adjective

Definition:

1. of free will: arising, acting, or resulting from somebody's own choice or decision rather than because of external pressure or force

2. without pay: performing, working, or done without financial reward

voluntary work

3. using volunteers: composed of, functioning with or requiring volunteers

voluntary organizations

4. U.K. not part of government: not part of statutory provision such as that of social services, and usually maintained at least in part by private charitable donations rather than by government or other official support

5. having will: having the capacity required to make conscious choices or decisions

6. law without legal obligation: not involving legal obligation, coercion, or persuasion

a voluntary agreement

7. law done on purpose: performed or carried out with intention rather than by accident

voluntary manslaughter

8. law given without payment in return: done or given freely with no promise of money or other recompense

Posted by: nojunk4me | April 8, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

there are 'Skins fans who think Rock Cartwright should still be on the team.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM

Yeah and there's others, like Lisa_R, who don't think he should be on the team but think that the 'Skins treated him badly.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sitting next to a Steelers' fan, and I just asked him if he thought C Hampton was better then AH, he said hell no."


Then you should move your seat.

C Hampton isn't allowed to freelance.

Haynesworth has been--that's why he is who he is.

And that's also why it's not a fair comparison.

Hampton would improve our move to a 3-4/4-3 hybrid in ways that AH couldn't as he wouldn't leave the field as much.

AH leaves the field, and I'm calling a lead power play right a Golston/Fletcher 3 times in a row.

And how your sitting buddy doesn't realize the differences in the players amazes me.

You should fart and go sit somewhere else.

But not too close to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

AH is pissed half of the check is going to the wifey....

Posted by: md_butler | April 8, 2010 12:11 PM |

Wasn't he free of any marital obligations by the time he signed his Skins contract? Certainly his management team would have advised him about this.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Shameless Gossip, got any actual reporting????....I hope this gets the WP some attention that its clearly looking for. I thought I was reading the New York Post!!!!!!!! We are looks people everyday in two military occupations yet you report Sh*t like this...save it for another department, i don't need daily updates on the skins if this is REPORTING

Posted by: MajorFacemask | April 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Shameless Gossip, got any actual reporting????....I hope this gets the WP some attention that its clearly looking for. I thought I was reading the New York Post!!!!!!!! We are losing young people and disabling others mentally and physically everyday in two military occupations yet you report Sh*t like this...save it for another department, i don't need daily updates on the skins if this is REPORTING

Posted by: MajorFacemask | April 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM

What are talking about? People with careers don't take vacation? The mandatory OTAs, training camp and practices are where players do all they can to make the team better. Guys doing extra film study and things of that nature would fit into your "going beyond." But you are begrudging him a vacation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to divert off topic for shameless blog pimping on an old subject, but I thought the reaction of some eagles fans to the McNabb trade at Nationals Park on Monday was interesting and if anybody is interested I wrote about it here:

http://sportsdaggers.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/did-somebody-say-mcnabb/

"To the thousands of Phillies fans that ascended upon D.C. this week to humiliate the Nats and their fans I have one message: when you head out, please leave your quarterback at the door."

Posted by: LarryBraverman | April 8, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

What are talking about? People with careers don't take vacation? The mandatory OTAs, training camp and practices are where players do all they can to make the team better. Guys doing extra film study and things of that nature would fit into your "going beyond." But you are begrudging him a vacation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2010 12:35 PM |

He has been on vacation since January don't act like he has regualr work schedule.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

(A little disappointed that this post wasn't about learning a few things from Christopher Plummer.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

You should fart and go sit somewhere else.

But not too close to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:30 PM |

MistaMoe post = fart gas

Unfortunately when you are on RI the option of "sitting somewhere else" is not available unless one leaves the blog and thus denies oneself the joy of reading the posts of J Reid and other top drawer contributors too numerous to mention.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Any validity the the Schefter report that Eagles traded McNabb to stop us from drafting Bradford? AS is usually on point but this seems out there.

Posted by: will_ga | April 8, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM

What are talking about? People with careers don't take vacation? The mandatory OTAs, training camp and practices are where players do all they can to make the team better. Guys doing extra film study and things of that nature would fit into your "going beyond." But you are begrudging him a vacation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2010 12:35 PM
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What has he been doing since the end of December? Sounds like a vacation to me...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

(A little disappointed that this post wasn't about learning a few things from Christopher Plummer.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2010 12:39 PM |

Hey, I was hoping for more dirt on Joe the Plumber.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MajorFacemask | April 8, 2010 12:33 PM

Moaning about speculation not being true, remember JC17 was absolutely not being traded and was good enough to earn himself the chance to at the very least show his worth to the new regime? So let's stop all this talk about him moving on? Is AH the hot topic at hand when it comes to the ever so interesting offseason? Hek yeah.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Just saw Albert Haynesworth was listed on Ebay...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I keep reading about how good the defense was last year. Either Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder are blogging on here. Or George W. Bush after seeing weapons of mass destruction. I digressed - LOL

The D? - LOLOLOL
Must have missed the Detroit game where Detroit WITH A ROOKIE QB that didn't even play 4 yrs of college looked like Bradshaw.

Must have missed the KC game in Landover, where KC looked like the 1970 SB champ Chiefs.

Must have missed all ofthe NFC East games.

And the Saints game where THE DEFENSE let the Saints go 90+ yards in 45 seconds at the end.

All = 4-12
Although many here would like to blame Zorn and Jason for the 12 losses, like the D (see above) did a good job.

Posted by: kedavis | April 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Anytime you buck the system, you are asking to be fired. The boss is the boss and once in a while you need to suck up to him no matter how hard it may be. We have all done it at times, particularly in this economy.

Posted by: diamond_jim | April 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Plummer's sour grapes ring hollow. How many of us got to work when we don't feel like it, but we go anyhow, it's a job not a vacation. Sounds like Plummer had/has some underlying issues. He wasn't a consistent QB anyway and his stats clearly show that fact.

Posted by: bfjam | April 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Plummer's sour grapes ring hollow. How many of us got to work when we don't feel like it, but we go anyhow, it's a job not a vacation. Sounds like Plummer had/has some underlying issues. He wasn't a consistent QB anyway and his stats clearly show that fact.

Posted by: bfjam | April 8, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

T-E-A-M.

Posted by: lszovati | April 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Not saying that you're right or wrong, but there are 'Skins fans who think Rock Cartwright should still be on the team.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, right?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe post = fart gas"


I'll have you know that'll I do whatever it takes to contribute to Global Warming.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Just saw Albert Haynesworth was listed on Ebay...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 12:45 PM |

He's on Craigslist and Amazon too. The Skins are leaving no stone unturned in their effort to free themselves of this mofo.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Plummer has never missed a voluntary handball workout.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | April 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Plummer has never missed a voluntary handball workout.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | April 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm down here at the Masters waiting for Tiger to tee off. Just a brief word about the Vanity Fair article on him. In the article they explain how he was plugged into this vast network of escort procurement that is used by his mentors, Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan. If all the women who had sex with him had come forward it easily could have been four or five times what it actually was.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 11:29 AM

99 is not here because he rehabbing from a surgery. Shanny acknowledged this in an interview and said 99 will be there as soon as he can.

The CBA limits the amount of offseason activities and that's why they are called "voluntary".

ANYONE even attempting to make a case that it's OK for 92 not to be there is clearly trolling at this point.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

One way or another, its about time we get some credibility in the locker room. We have gone on too long with players being allowed to do things their way. Albert is a beast when he wants to be. Unblockable. He made our Dline a strength last year and there is no denying that if we trade him our dline will not be nearly as good.

That being said, Albert is also exactly the type of person we don't really want on this team. His work ethic has been questioned since day 1 in the league, he is a big mouthed, diva, who has a ton of influence on the younger players. His talent is undeniable, but his attitude is poor.

Is he actually hurting the team by not showing up? Probably not. Is his ability worth his desire to workout away from the team? Absolutely. In the end, this is Shanny saying that this is his team now. Do it his way or leave. Good or bad, at least hes asserting himself and hopefully we'll be the better for it.

Also, to the person who made the comparison that this is like asking him to come in on the weekend and work for free...the man just got paid 21 million dollars... I do not give a shi% how often we ask him to come in. 21 million dollars..... period.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Beeps Peeps

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Dan is GREEEAT...He gimme the Chocolate CAAAKE"

Take your dough doughboy and go buy a Krispy Kreme franchise and be your own best customer...Won't be long and Fatboy will be selling that boat and those expensive toys just to make rent...

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Dan is GREEEAT...He gimme the Chocolate CAAAKE"

Take your dough doughboy and go buy a Krispy Kreme franchise and be your own best customer...Won't be long and Fatboy will be selling that boat and those expensive toys just to make rent...

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Aaauuwwww the millionaires don't want to "work" just get "paid" Let me tell my boss I only want to work 85% and let's see how long I last. I hope Shannahan gets rid of every whiner, too bad Synder is an idiot and throws money around like he prints it. Give me a break !

Posted by: aginsburg | April 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Jake Plummer is the type of player who would flip off the fans while sitting on the bench. Jake Plummer was not the kind of player that was good enough to miss time in the offseason. And the ones that are good enough and care about the team won't miss time anyway. there is enough time to have fun and then your rear end should be back in the complex leading the other players. Jake should have been happy to be given a job by Shanahan in the first place! Haynesworth can go suck wind on someone else's sideline this year too!!

Posted by: fullonfully | April 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Jake Plummer is the type of player who would flip off the fans while sitting on the bench. Jake Plummer was not the kind of player that was good enough to miss time in the offseason. And the ones that are good enough and care about the team won't miss time anyway. there is enough time to have fun and then your rear end should be back in the complex leading the other players. Jake should have been happy to be given a job by Shanahan in the first place! Haynesworth can go suck wind on someone else's sideline this year too!!

Posted by: fullonfully | April 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If I got two months off a year and a ten million dollar salary I wouldn't have a problem with working weekends.

This is a poor argument and poor analogy anyway. The players get more time off from their jobs that the average Joe (what do you think they have been doing since December?) even if you include these schedule non-mandatory team activities. They have to workout and study game film in order to perform their jobs - why not do it with the team?

Geesh, you guys make it sound like everything needs to be written in a contract or it shouldn't happen. Can the coach make you run laps if you botch a block? Can the coach yell at you when you run a wrong route? Is this a football team or a nursery school? Guys knows what it takes to be good from their playing days in college and in high school. The expectation to workout with the team should not come as a surprise to anyone. Those who don't want to participate with the team should really question their line of work, because they are employed in a team sport.

Posted by: RedSkinHead


What you fail to understand is, evrything is written into a contract with regard to the relationship of a player and any given team. First and foremost, voluntary means voluntary not secret mandatory. Second, the average Joe, who is a unionized employee, will not submit to any action by his employer that goes counter to the collective bargaining agreement. So the regular Joe can not be forced to do anything, whether fireman, policeman or custodian, that is contrary to the CBA.

Your focus seems clearly on AH's income and has nothing to do with his right to refuse the "voluntary" workouts. Bottom line, as another person wrote earlier, if they wanted him here so badly, maybe they should have placed incentives in his contract to volunteer.

By the way, when he does come to manadatory practice, the coaches can yell at him and discipline him as well as any other player.

You people make a mountain out of a mole hill. You should be more upset with Shanahan for changing a defense that needed just tweaking and not wholesale changes. You should be angry that we don't have the personell for a 3/4 defense and we are trying to fit a square into a circle. You should be angry, but not at AH.

I don't knwo what you do for a living, but it would make you a better employee and a better team player to work through your vacation and days, w/o pay. It will make your co-workers feel better and you will be that much more capable in your duties a responsibilities. I'm just saying...

Posted by: JMac_in_MD | April 8, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Gee, Shanahan sounds like..

A boss.

I'll take the word of a guy with SB rings over two guys with none between them

Posted by: kreator6996 | April 8, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to forge a team, you need players to function as a team. When you have individuals who feel they are special, or better than any of their teammates - regardless of their numbers or pay - then that breaks down the rest of the team and results in disjointed play. This is a no-brainer - these workout's aren't as much about execution and conditioning as they are about forming a bond as a team. When you play as a team, you win as a team -(see the Washington Capitals- even though they have supa-stars - they play and win as a team). To that end, Albert Haynesworth - despite the havoc he is capable of causing on the field, is also capable of disruption and havoc in the locker room - and you can't allow that. Plummer never amounted to much of anything - a mediocre QB his entire career with a few good years mixed in - and now that I read this, it's no wonder. Apparently, he was a self absorbed "it's all about me" kind of player - much like Haynesworth. I'd rather have ten Golston's than 10 Haynesworth's anyday - This also goes to bigger issue in our society where people feel 'entitled'. Haynesworth (and apparently Plummer too) have a crappy work ethic and feel 'entitled' to impose their will on the rest of the team - if every member of that team felt equally 'entitled' where the hell would they be? Let Haynesworth hit the road - maybe he can go room with Plummer somwhere and they can get into each other's space - a winning team has no room for these kinds of players - they're a cancer and need to be extricated.

Posted by: whelms1 | April 9, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

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