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Posted at 12:34 PM ET, 12/ 8/2010

Haynesworth-Shanahan feud didn't derail the season, players say

By Jason Reid

A day after the Redskins suspended controversial defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth for the remainder of the season, many of his teammates continued to express relief that he no longer would be a constant distraction.

But suggestions that Haynesworth's running tiff with Coach Mike Shanahan derailed the season are unfounded, veterans said. The struggling Redskins have failed on many levels in their first season under Shanahan, and that's not on Haynesworth.

"I don't think anyone [internally] used it as an excuse, or has even brought that situation up, trying to explain what happened in different games," quarterback Donovan McNabb said Wednesday at Redskins Park. .

"I didn't look at it as a distraction. I've always tried to look at in a positive light, thinking everyone would kinda avoid the issue."

Every player is accountable for his own actions on the field, many veterans said. And if someone plays poorly in a game, it has nothing to do with whether Haynesworth failed to give maximum effort throughout the week in practice.

"I never put no thought to whatever going on with him, anyway," cornerback Carlos Rogers said. "He's not really been no distraction to me. When we're out there playing...it's more just you're getting questions and talking about him.

"On Sundays when you playing, you know, I'm not out there covering receivers--whether Albert out there or not--thinking about what he's got going on. I'm thinking about what I got to do."

Because of the poor effort Haynesworth displayed last week in preparation for the game, Shanahan listed him as inactive before Sunday's 31-7 loss to the New York Giants at New Meadowlands Stadium. Throughout the week before the game, the Redskins said they faced a must-win situation to maintain their faint playoff hopes.

Although some players said the Redskins would have been better off against the Giants if Haynesworth played, "I personally don't think it's true," Rogers said. "I'll take the game Sunday. They ran the ball on first and second down. He don't play first and second down.

"So is that what people going into the game thinking? Oh, 'We got Albert playing? Or, 'Albert's not playing, so that determines the game.' Nah. You got to stand out there, step up as a man, just play football. He don't determine our season, whether he here or not. And it's not a negative thing against him. But he don't determine the season."

By Jason Reid  | December 8, 2010; 12:34 PM ET
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Translation: Haynesworth didn't turn the ball over 6 times.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Take Belichek's cue and BUILD AN OFFENSIVE LINE that a top QB can comfortably assault defenses with..This O-Line is incapable of protecting ANYBODY we put back there (though maybe Cam or Vick or Theismann could make it look better when they go running FOR THEIR FREAKIN' LIVES)..That is where you begin building a championship teamteamteamteam (sorry, the needle on the record is stuck)...The Main reason for this year's failures...

Posted by: frak | December 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Man Carlos is right...It seems like the media dont even care we just got blown out by the giants who i hate, they just want something to write about the media has ruined this team time and time again and we just continue to let them do it...The media has been drinkning that shannahan kool-aid because this is all his fault he has treated Albert different then the rest of the team from the beginning of the season "uhh hello you play to win the game" not sit out your best player on defense because he was sick and you dont believe that he had a stomach virus and what kind of team do we have that other defensive players like carter, alexander, and daniels speak up again the man when they suck anyway they have played every week and produced nothing carter wont even be here next yr and neither will daniels and the alexander expirement is over and he will be on special teams next yr again so stop drinking the kool-aid Zorn was atleast 8-8 his first season i doubt we will be this yr.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The hook is that the Skins took a league MVP candidate, grossly overpaid him, hired a taskmaster coach who locked into a personal battle of wills with him and now he's a huge liability who doesn't even play.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2010 11:22 AM

Yeah, he played so much better with Jim Zorn "Stay Medium" as his coach.

Shanahan didn't "turn him into" anything. He is what he is. Shanahan gave him a chance to get better and he wasn't up to the challenge. Go back and study your Sally Jenkins.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 11:26 AM
===========================
AH played in the Skins 10th ranked 4-3 Defense of 2009 and the Skins 32nd ranked 3-4 Defense of this year. The only difference in those two years is the new Head Coach that has forced a new Defensive scheme on the previously 10th ranked Defense rather than to adjust to the personnel he inherited.
And AH, who took very few snaps in this year's last ranked Defense, will be Shanahan and the Skin's PR office scapegoat.
And Stu27, you're right.. the table was set in Detroit to make DMac the next Shanahan scapegoat focal point for the failed Offense.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The six turnovers were after the 'skins got their azzes handed to them.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I thought folks forgot there is a game Sunday.

I see the Skins beating the Bucs in a close game.

I think the team will rally around the head coach and play well enough to beat a young warm weather team on a cold day:

Redskins 24

Bucs 17

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

You're really kidding, aren't you, Moe? I've been told by a good source that this suspension effectively suspends the rest of the season for us. That's why there are no other stories worth reporting or discussing. So please don't tease us into thinking there will be a game on Sunday.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 8, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 12:48 PM


Don't try reading this out loud. You'll asphyxiate.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Jason Reid go to your room because your so anti redskin its not even funny how in the blue hell did you get this job you talk bad about every redskin on the team pretty much you know nothing. Shannahan way of coaching is a dying breed yea Bellicheck can do it because hes a great coach and players respect him its proven that he knows what hes doing Shanny aint proved nothing in years yea the old veterans seem to have bought in but this team is divided some people speak up some people dont i dont see how the albert suspension helps the team this season at all our Dline sucks everyone on our Dline sucks for god sakes we signed vonnie holiday who??? Gholston what???Carriker are you kidding???Maake you all need to be replaced we change to a 3-4 we sign buchannon and holliday and noone else wow smart thinking they will really help us transition man you suck....ahh i feel better now

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The triple post is not on me...RI has a glitch....aplogizes everyone

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

*thud*

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla...

I made it to "play to win the game" and then I blacked out.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I mean i actually think the players will ralley around the coach too but we still wont win because
A. Were at home
B. Our gameplans suck
C. Our defense sucks
D. Blunt will run all over us
E. Freeman will pass all over us
F. Shannahan is our coach
G. Our Dline will get no pressure on the Qb
H. Our Oline is trash with rabach
I. I could go all the way to Z but i wont

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I happened to be at the same bar Haynsworth was at the time. He was merely enjoying a soothing cup of hot tea while discussing the dynamics of the 3-4 scheme to his wenches.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

smiling, somewhere in baltimore, right now, is the highest paid qb coach in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

So who were these floozies who were with Haynesworth? Are they paid escorts? Are they party girls who he calls up and then treats to an open tab in exchange for a "happy ending" later? I am blissfully unaware of floozy dynamics.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Thei is a team sport, pab. It's not a democracy. Players play, coaches coach, management manages. PLayers don't get to pick the coach, and don't get to pick what defense is used. They are supposed to show up ready to play, and to play where they are told to play. If they don't do that well, they will be replaced.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Good point. All those throwing too much grief at Shanahan in this affair, take a look at Carter and the way he has handled his affairs after being switched to a 3-4 OLB for the second time in his career after the first time failed.

And BTW, Carter's has 65.5 sacks and 410 tackles in his career to AH's 30.5 and 241, respectively.

So a player who has accomplished twice what AH has accomplished in just one more season and has already played and failed in a 3-4 defense handles himself with utmost professionalism despite some legit concerns.

That's where the bar is set, IMO, and AH is sorely lacking.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

beeep

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I see the Skins beating the Bucs in a close game.

I think the team will rally around the head coach and play well enough to beat a young warm weather team on a cold day:

Redskins 24

Bucs 17

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse


Maybe Santa will bring me some of Moe's optimism for Christmas this year.

If we couldn't stop the likes of Kenneth Darby, Brandon Jackson and Toby Gerhart, I don't see us stopping LeGarrette Blount - who pounded a very good Falcons defense last week.

I'm sure that Practice Phil and Vonnie and the rest of the guys will be fired up.

Sadly, this isn't high-school ball and desire only gets you so far in the NFL when your talent/ability level is much lower than the other guys'.

We don;t have the horses to stop a run game...doesn't matter how hard we try.

Weather aside, we lose this one going away. If we can generate some turnovers it may be a one score game.

And then we'll spend next week lamenting the fact that a coach in his rookie-stint with a team of draft picks and young'uns bested our $7mill-per-year Superbowl-Winning Genius and his roster of hand-picked vets and led by pricey-veteran Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

this thing on..??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

There is such a thing called the coach is wrong sometimes why just because he said it does it have to be right? Really who is shannahan he inherited Dan Reeves team from Denver and he had John Elway and Terrell Davis someone tell me what his record was in his last 5 yrs in denver??? hes washed up.. I hope the players do come out and play hard for shanny but with the players we have it dont matter and yea Carter has played in the defense twice but he still sucks ass at linebacker he just waisted two yrs of his career and dropped his trade value.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

What Frak said is perfectly on point. The dismal failure of the franchise for years can be laid at the feet of the management or ownership who consistently ignored the offensive line in the draft and free agency.

Can you imagine what this team could have been like if they took the money they wasted on Haynesworth and instead got the best free agent offensive linemen money could buy?

It's hard to guess why they were ignored, even after the first year Zorn coaching staff specifically pointed to the offensive line as the difference between the 6-2 start and the 2-6 finish. One group guessed that it was a marketing decision based on the dearth of sales of offensive lineman jerseys. A second group believes it was because the only football experience the owner had came from fantasy football, where offensive lineman are never drafted. Regardless, no OL means no offense, and the last I looked, the team that scores the most points still wins.

Posted by: WildBil1952 | December 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I kept hearing how the Redskins should have played Fat Albert and the running game of the Giants would have been stopped?

Say what?

Carlos was right - Fat Albert didn't play on first and second downs usually - Fat Albert only wanted to rush the passer and on he played on obvious passing downs.

Albert Haynesworth would have contributed nothing to the outcome of the Giants game.

He's now in limbo where he can't bring his cancerous attitude into the locker room. I sure hope that the Redskins took his locker and set it in his parking space and bought a new locker to replace it. Let that parking space be a memorial to the "BUCK STOPS HERE".

Posted by: laserwizard | December 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I kept hearing how the Redskins should have played Fat Albert and the running game of the Giants would have been stopped?

Say what?

Carlos was right - Fat Albert didn't play on first and second downs usually - Fat Albert only wanted to rush the passer and on he played on obvious passing downs.

Albert Haynesworth would have contributed nothing to the outcome of the Giants game.

He's now in limbo where he can't bring his cancerous attitude into the locker room. I sure hope that the Redskins took his locker and set it in his parking space and bought a new locker to replace it. Let that parking space be a memorial to the "BUCK STOPS HERE".

Posted by: laserwizard | December 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Ohyeah and now we wont be getting anything in return for haynesworth because every other team now knows that shanny dont like him and he wont be here next season so we will have to cut him anyway GREAT JOB MIKE

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Its simply amazing to me that Carlos Rodgers continues to destroy the English Language - i basically needed a translator to understand what the heck he was saying. Anybody whos that inarticulate with hands of stone like he has is the reason our defense sucks so bad.

Posted by: KevinDunne | December 8, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Nothing derailed this season. The Skins are what we thought were. 6-10 talent usually produces a 6-10 record.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I think they should of played fat albert from the beginning of the season, every down. if he was out of shape or only played half assed then he would of ended up getting hurt and would be out anyway. Make him prove himself on the game field instead of practice. He would of ended up hurting himself and would have no one else to blame.

Posted by: dmarquis64 | December 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers came out of Alabama after his senior season; correct? The University of Alabama has some explaining to do about their language course curriculum.

Posted by: zickzack | December 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the media don't even care we just got blown out


True.

I think the real story to date is that the team seems to sliding backwards interms of performance and execution on both sides of teh ball.

The AH Saga is just a pimple on a rather unattractive face when you see the 2010 Washington Redskins.

Sd thing is, I'd rather read Shanny's feelings about the offense and defense than the other stuff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers came out of Alabama after his senior season; correct? The University of Alabama has some explaining to do about their language course curriculum.

Posted by: zickzack | December 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

He came out of Auburn with Campbell. English is not their specialty

Posted by: soupdjour | December 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Its simply amazing to me that Carlos Rodgers continues to destroy the English Language - i basically needed a translator to understand what the heck he was saying. "

You need to spend some time at a bluegrass festival. It's pretty easy to understand after a few days of that.

Posted by: zimbar | December 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

i have tried to support albert, however as i remember at last seasons end he could not get along with greg blach either , al did not likethe defensive sets and the redskins where highly rated on defense nor where the skins using the three four d, i think al will only be happy in memphis where he played college and pro ball because the will co sign his bs

Posted by: rwest828hope | December 8, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

i have tried to support albert, however as i remember at last seasons end he could not get along with greg blach either , al did not likethe defensive sets and the redskins where highly rated on defense nor where the skins using the three four d, i think al will only be happy in memphis where he played college and pro ball because the will co sign his bs

Posted by: rwest828hope | December 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

also as on cmmenter said idon't know why the post continues to keep sports writers who hate or don't like area teams reid, jenkins, tucker and the like. we have at last got rid of wilbon, wise is the only sports writer with post that shows any passion for his job along with boswel i must add. i know sports writers are not cheerleaders but these people i 've named should go back home where haynesworth most likely will wind up at

Posted by: rwest828hope | December 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

also as on cmmenter said idon't know why the post continues to keep sports writers who hate or don't like area teams reid, jenkins, tucker and the like. we have at last got rid of wilbon, wise is the only sports writer with post that shows any passion for his job along with boswel i must add. i know sports writers are not cheerleaders but these people i 've named should go back home where haynesworth most likely will wind up at

Posted by: rwest828hope | December 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Since Frak said it, I'll jump in here and say he's right. It all starts with the battle of the lines. The other night, I was watching the New England offensive line push the Jets all over the field. That's why the first Gibbs team was great. We had a dominant O-line. The 3-4 puts a little more responsibility in the linebacking corps than the 4-3 does, but the point is the same. Who's going to win in the trenches? We lose those battles on both sides of the ball most of the time, and so we lose games. This isn't about Shanahan, or Haslett, or McNabb, or Galloway. This is about an inadequate front on both sides of the ball, and until we address that, we won't win regularly. Once that is addressed, even our average running backs and receivers will suddenly look great.

Posted by: OintheSierras | December 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To the people who said they needed a translator for Carlos Rogers, wow, I'm not sure what city you live in but it sure isn't Washington DC, either that or you live in some strange part of town where there are no black people.

And actually Rogers has a degree in Sociology from Auburn and also went to Hargrave Military Academy. It may come as a surprise to some people that a black athlete from the South can be an intelligent person while still talking like a black athlete from the South.

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | December 8, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

To the people who said they needed a translator for Carlos Rogers, wow, I'm not sure what city you live in but it sure isn't Washington DC, either that or you live in some strange part of town where there are no black people.

And actually Rogers has a degree in Sociology from Auburn and also went to Hargrave Military Academy. It may come as a surprise to some people that a black athlete from the South can be an intelligent person while still talking like a black athlete from the South.

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | December 8, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Justin, I didn't think about him being black. I guess unlike white people, black people don't need to make practical applications of educational materials.

Posted by: zickzack | December 9, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

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