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Haynesworth tests knee, skips conditioning test

Updated 8:45 a.m.

After testing his sore knee on the practice field, Albert Haynesworth did not take his conditioning test early Monday morning at Redskins Park, which means he'll miss at least two more practices.

As players began to practice, Haynesworth joined them on the field and watched his fellow defensive linemen go through a series of drills. As practice began, he wore his jersey and a cap -- but no pads -- carrying his helmet with him. He cannot participate in practice until he successfully passes Coach Mike Shanahan's conditioning drill. Haynesworth failed in his first two attempts, but because of swelling in his knee, he has not attempted the test since last Friday.

Early Monday morning, the Pro Bowler jogged lightly on the field in anticipation of his third attempt to pass the test of two, timed 300-yard shuttle runs. But he quickly determined his knee was too sore for him to run hard. Haynesworth and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett talked as they walked off the field and returned to the complex's main building.

After Haynesworth injured his knee while running Friday, team medical personnel suggested he rest and receive therapy before attempting the test again. Coach Mike Shanahan will not permit Haynesworth, who missed all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason program, to participate in practice until he passes the test. It is unclear whether Haynesworth plans to run again in the next few days.

Haynesworth, who is far behind his teammates in learning the team's new 3-4 scheme, has worked individually with Haslett and defensive line coach Jacob Burney while his teammates have practiced. If he can pass the conditioning test, Haynesworth is expected to start at right end this season.

By Jason Reid  |  August 2, 2010; 7:52 AM ET
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Comments

what a Shabingus

Posted by: CheyenneWY | August 2, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

REPOST:

Peter King this morning on Albert Haynesworth:

... The bottom line is if Haynesworth were in tip-top shape, he'd pass it. I think if a player has made $35 million in the past 16 months, he ought to be in tip-top shape entering camp.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 7:48 AM |

On the other hand, with $35 M burning a hole in your pocket, you easy have access to:

1. Strippers
2. Ferraris
3. Power boats

Which distracts you from being in tip-top shape, doesn't it?

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

The Pro Bowler jogged lightly on the field in anticipation of his third attempt to pass the test of two, timed 300-yard shuttle runs, but quickly determined his knee was too sore for him to run hard. Haynesworth and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett talked as they walked off the field and returned to the complex's main building.

This test stuff is starting to look like a Mexican Standoff. Like at the beginning of "No Country For Old Men", dudes are holding cocked guns to each other's heads and one twitchy finger detonates a mass wipeout.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

brownie and Cindy Boren...errr...beep-beep,

Re: McNabb's extension

I've not yet read Wise or King on the matter, but did they make mention of a scenario where McNabb is a one-year rental here and then moves on to Arizona or Minnesota where he is just as likely - and probably more likely - to win a SB in the next 2-3 years??

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

This test stuff is starting to look like a Mexican Standoff. Like at the beginning of "No Country For Old Men", dudes are holding cocked guns to each other's heads and one twitchy finger detonates a mass wipeout.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:06 AM |

Mexican standoff? Haynesworth's made himself into the laughing stock of the league. Your idea of a Mexican standoff is when a guy can't get his gun out of his holster and shoots himself in the knee.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

What's the rush signing McNabb long term? Make him play first.

I still cringe thinking about what the Skins already gave for this guy -- a 2nd and 3rd/4th let's not add insult to injury by spending $40 million. At least not before getting some of Albert's bonus money back...

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 2, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 2, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

In truth, AH has no incentive to push himself to pass this test.

He can continue to work on the side indefinitely with the trash cans to learn the basic philosophy of the defense. If he were to lineup with teammates, he wouldn't know what to do.

His best move is to incrementally work his conditioning up while working on the side with coaches to pick up the scheme.

But I am glad to hear that he learning mostly RDE. AH is a doosche, but I've always thought that trying to play him at NT was a stupid waste - kind of like taking Larry Fitzgerald and making him your blocking tight end.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse


“The next time we talk about this,” Shanahan told reporters, “is when he’s practicing with us.”

Hess is loving the way Shanahan coaches, 100% ! And Allen's not running his mouth, like Cerrato use to. Coach is coaching, GM is running the FO, And $nyder appears to be a fan again. So why do we need AH on the team ? For all that say he's our best defensive player, don't you have to be in football shape to accomplish that merit ? Dump him for whatever we can get for him, and let's move on.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Also, looking more and more like Albert's gonna phuc up ..the dude just can't get it together to play football.

Anyone know how the process begins to go after the $21 million?

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 2, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

AH is a joke.

I tried this stupid 300 yd shuttle this weekend, and scored 59.3 sec on the first try and a 60.4 on the second try... I am 46 years old. My son who is 11 years old did it in 65 and 68 seconds. What the heck did the 100 million dollar man do all off season to earn his $21 million check? Answer: NOTHING. The guy should be ashamed of himself, but I am thinking he is not ashamed of himself, because that would require a work ethic, which AH obviously does not possess. Cut him. Take the lose, and cut the cancer out.

Posted by: steved1 | August 2, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Mexican standoff? Haynesworth's made himself into the laughing stock of the league. Your idea of a Mexican standoff is when a guy can't get his gun out of his holster and shoots himself in the knee.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:10 AM

The laughingstock of the league is the guy who toes the company line and gets cut as soon as they get a better, cheaper player to replace him. Albert, on the other hand, has taken Snyder's money and will miraculously recover from his knee pain as soon as we cut him. He's not the laughingstock, he's a hero (in some eyes).

Get that fat POS outta here!! He's not worth the distraction!!

Posted by: Skinz4Lyfe | August 2, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

So they should put a Ferrari 50 yards from his racing boat and have him run between the two of them six times in 70 seconds? The strippers can hold the stop watch.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:01 AM |

I think that the separation is 25 yards. But it might work. And it would make for good media, wouldn't it? Especially if the strippers were clad in nothing but G-strings.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Peter King finally says something about the redskins I agree with. The world must be coming to an end.

Posted by: Predator48 | August 2, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

He's not the laughingstock, he's a hero (in some eyes).

Get that fat POS outta here!! He's not worth the distraction!!

Posted by: Skinz4Lyfe | August 2, 2010 8:16 AM

Where have you seen anyone, other than on this board, write that "he's a hero"? The only things I've seen or heard refer to him as a word that rhymes with heard. And everyday that he can't pass this test, he's looking worse.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

at least AH doesn't have a hangnail... he'd be out for the season and any remaining trade value would disappear.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | August 2, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: steved1 | August 2, 2010 8:15 AM

That's an easy co-sign

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

pred, what did he say?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 2, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: steved1 | August 2, 2010 8:15 AM |

Get one of them weight jackets that cross trainers jog with and then report back on the results. Thkx.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

IMO Shanny is handling this badly - but not in the way most others are. I believe that if endurance is what they want to test and not back and forth agility, then give AH a pure endurance test (i.e. 15 25-yard sprints in the same direction within an allotted time). Since he is doing the one with more changes of direction, then he gets to not only practice (at least run-throughs), but also get some extra endurance work on the sideline after practice (punishment) until he passes. Having him on the sideline during practices does nothing to help the defensive line gel. Granted, not showing up to OTA's doesn't help that either, but AH is here and willing to work - so it makes sense to make the most of it while showing everyone that Shanny still is in control.

I don't understand why everyone thinks that the only way Shanny can exert control is if he holds AH out of practices. Why not just have him practice with the second or third string and then punish him after practice until he "passes" whatever test Shanny wants him to.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | August 2, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

It's an old managment axiom -- you spend 90 percent of your time on 10 percent of your people -- and it can really become counterproductive when you spend too much time on your "problem children."

Seems like the Dude is hogging lots of time and attention from the coaching staff... perhaps at the expense of their spending time with the other 80 or 90 honest players who sincerely want to be there, learn the scheme and do whatever they can to help the team win this season.

Personally, I think the team should hire Albert's "personal trainer" -- the guy who purportedly was helping AH92 improve his burst and stamina in the off-season -- to coach up Albert enough to get him through the test -- that is, if and when he actually decides to take it.

But as for the rest of the coaching staff, I'd just have them ignore the lazy oaf until such time as he actually shows an interest and ability to do something more worthwhile than just stealing their time and attention away from others who are more willing, able and deserving.

Posted by: Vic1 | August 2, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I've not yet read Wise or King on the matter, but did they make mention of a scenario where McNabb is a one-year rental here and then moves on to Arizona or Minnesota where he is just as likely - and probably more likely - to win a SB in the next 2-3 years??

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:08 AM


Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...AZ could have traded for him themselves if they wanted him (and you'd think the Eagles would be happy to accomodate since they're not in the NFC East anymore) and no one would have batted an eye. The Vikings weren't interested for obvious reasons. I think McNabb is sincere in wanting to be here and dude already bought a house in the area. Doesn't seem like the actions of a man who thinks he'll be one-and-done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 2, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why everyone thinks that the only way Shanny can exert control is if he holds AH out of practices. Why not just have him practice with the second or third string and then punish him after practice until he "passes" whatever test Shanny wants him to.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | August 2, 2010 8:29 AM

He can't practice because he failed the conditioning test. You don't fail it and then practice with the second string or third sting. If you fail it, you're not in condition to practice with anyone, even the strippers.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

“The next time we talk about this,” Shanahan told reporters, “is when he’s practicing with us.”

Hess is loving the way Shanahan coaches, 100% ! And Allen's not running his mouth, like Cerrato use to. Coach is coaching, GM is running the FO, And $nyder appears to be a fan again. So why do we need AH on the team ? For all that say he's our best defensive player, don't you have to be in football shape to accomplish that merit ? Dump him for whatever we can get for him, and let's move on.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

hess, we're paying him to be disruptive within a 10-yard circle from where we line him up, either at DE or NT. We want him to run over an OT or C and G, stomp on the OG on his way to pancake QB. If someone gets past him with the ball, I do not expect him to run him down from behind. We have LB's and DB's who are faster to do that.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 2, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

No comment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 2, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this excuse-making by Haynesworth is just an attempt at putting off the inevitable awkward reunion with his team mates? I wouldn't discount the idea he is less than enthusiastic about joining london fletcher and phillip daniels, and is just sub-consciously using this test as the reason to prolong not having to deal with them...especially given they know the defense and he doesn't.

Really, I doubt a mildly swollen knee would typically keep you out of a five minute drill if you wanted to pass it. Players play with pain all the time.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

So, now AH's knee is bothering him? How's this guy going to hold up all season long if he can't even pass a test of a few sprints? I am betting he couldn't pass this test last season either, which is just another indictment of Zorn's poor philosophy of letting the vets off easy. I am sure there is some excluisvely upper body work they can run him through that keeps the cardio up while his knee recovers. Of course, now that I think about it, swelling in the knee is probably an indicator that something else is wrong -next comes scoping the knee...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

No comment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 2, 2010 8:35 AM |

You can come back and comment later, after you've passed your conditioning test.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse


@JesusFreakKaren

Karen, Shanahan is quoted as saying he wants AH to pass this test and prove he's in football shape. Shanahan feels if AH can't pass the test, then AH runs the risk of injury. I think this knee deal is just more AH drama.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

It's starting to look more and more like I originally said:

They're going to bench him. At this point I don't think there's much else to do.

Fatty Stompsworth isn't going to kowtow to Shenannigans and Staresahan isn't going to allow the Tijuanna Tuba back in the lineup without some serious crow enchilada eatin'.

nah.gunnah.dewhit.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 2, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why everyone thinks that the only way Shanny can exert control is if he holds AH out of practices. Why not just have him practice with the second or third string and then punish him after practice until he "passes" whatever test Shanny wants him to.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | August 2, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

See my post @ 8:13.

Conditioning aside, AH still needs to learn the basic concepts of the scheme. What would be the point of lining him up with the second-stringers if he doesn't yet know what to do? How does that help the unit?

Anyways, I think there is an implicit message here that Shanny is sending which is right on: Being part of this team is a PRIVILEGE and not an entitlement. If you want to practice with the team, like a full member of the team, then earn it.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

hess, we're paying him to be disruptive within a 10-yard circle from where we line him up, either at DE or NT. We want him to run over an OT or C and G, stomp on the OG on his way to pancake QB. If someone gets past him with the ball, I do not expect him to run him down from behind. We have LB's and DB's who are faster to do that.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 2, 2010 8:33 AM |

But think back to the Steelers/AZ Super Bowl. The Steelers came within one giant gasp of losing because Harrison got winded and almost didn't make it across the goal line. If he had passed the AH test in training camp this would never have been a problem.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

In truth, AH has no incentive to push himself to pass this test.

He can continue to work on the side indefinitely with the trash cans to learn the basic philosophy of the defense. If he were to lineup with teammates, he wouldn't know what to do.

His best move is to incrementally work his conditioning up while working on the side with coaches to pick up the scheme.

But I am glad to hear that he learning mostly RDE. AH is a doosche, but I've always thought that trying to play him at NT was a stupid waste - kind of like taking Larry Fitzgerald and making him your blocking tight end.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:13 AM

I agree with this. AH's swollen knee is the best thing that happened regarding this situation. The process needs to be slowed down. Let the next time AH run the test he's cardio upped, and rehearsed the technique Ray Wright talked about. This team needs to get past the daily vigil on AH's ability to pass this test.

Posted by: TWISI | August 2, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know what I was going to do after Lindsay went to jail.

Thank heavens for Shuttlegate!

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 2, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...AZ could have traded for him themselves if they wanted him (and you'd think the Eagles would be happy to accomodate since they're not in the NFC East anymore) and no one would have batted an eye. The Vikings weren't interested for obvious reasons. I think McNabb is sincere in wanting to be here and dude already bought a house in the area. Doesn't seem like the actions of a man who thinks he'll be one-and-done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 2, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse


Conspiracy? The point is that you never know what is going to happen year-to-year...or even week-to-week in the NFL.

AZ didn't trade for him - Maybe they want to give Leinhart a real shake this year to see where he's at. They invested a high pick in him and he's been sitting around for years. They need to see once-for-all if he can play before going in a new direction.

Vikings - They still seem set to put all of their eggs in the Favre basket for now.

All of this could change in 6months to a year, as could the Redskins situation and McNabb's mindset.

Did you ever imagine in the offseason that we would end up with McNabb as our starting QB this season?? Doubt it.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this excuse-making by Haynesworth is just an attempt at putting off the inevitable awkward reunion with his team mates? I wouldn't discount the idea he is less than enthusiastic about joining london fletcher and phillip daniels, and is just sub-consciously using this test as the reason to prolong not having to deal with them...especially given they know the defense and he doesn't.

Really, I doubt a mildly swollen knee would typically keep you out of a five minute drill if you wanted to pass it. Players play with pain all the time.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse
I hear what you're saying, monkeymayo, but AH is going to 3-4 hours of meetings each day with teammates, just not out on the field with them.

I'm not sure what his knee problem is, but I've heard that he has had this before. It's an irrintant, but won't keep him from playing. I've had knee problems all my life(finally had both replaced 3 yrs ago), and when they are sore, you really don't want to strain them more.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 2, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Of course, now that I think about it, swelling in the knee is probably an indicator that something else is wrong -next comes scoping the knee...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM |

He had to have his knee drained last year in camp luxe when no one was hasslin' him.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

if Brennan is clearly stinking up the joint, does the team cut him...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 7:45 AM

You've been away too long. You forgot the blog rules. We never use the word "cut" in the same sentence as Colt. Maybe you just misspelled the correct word? The word is "cult" not "cut."

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 7:57 AM
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Sorry, forgot my RI etiquette. Shanaman will be on here busting my cajones in just a few...

Anyway, my point on Brennan is he has one strike against him in that he was brought in during Vinny's reign of idiocy, then he has two strikes against him because he has been oft-injured, and the team may not be waiting to see too much poor play on the field before they call the third strike. My opinion is that any poorly performing player they hold onto for just one more day is stealing practice time from someone else.

Can I hear an "amen" from all of the Cult of Bartel members out there?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Of course, now that I think about it, swelling in the knee is probably an indicator that something else is wrong -next comes scoping the knee...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM |

He had to have his knee drained last year in camp luxe when no one was hasslin' him.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is looking like a fool. The test is standard NFL fare - if he is to play DE he will have to stunt and run repeatedly. This test is legitimate and necessary. His unwillingness to perform the test within the prescribed time and rules indicates he is a miscreant. He is a documented part-time player who will do anything not to shoulder any responsibility for his actions.

Fat Albert is a Redskin in contract only. He has the heart of a cowboy.

Posted by: laserwizard | August 2, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


brownie and Cindy Boren...errr...beep-beep,

Re: McNabb's extension

I've not yet read Wise or King on the matter, but did they make mention of a scenario where McNabb is a one-year rental here and then moves on to Arizona or Minnesota where he is just as likely - and probably more likely - to win a SB in the next 2-3 years??

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that the Redskins are going to wait until after the first six games before getting serious about an extension. This is smart. If McNabb isn't very good you can let him go without the strings of a long term extension. If he plays like the quarterback he should be, then the Skins will make that long term commitment to him.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | August 2, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Of course, now that I think about it, swelling in the knee is probably an indicator that something else is wrong -next comes scoping the knee...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM |

He had to have his knee drained last year in camp luxe when no one was hasslin' him.

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:48 AM
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So, is that normal? To me, it says something else is wrong with his knee. The guy has lost some weight, so if anything, there should be less stress on the knee. I've had six knee surgeries and had my knee drained once. When I had my knee drained, it was because there was a buildup of scar tissue that they ultimately had to clean up with arthroscopy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Where have you seen anyone, other than on this board, write that "he's a hero"? The only things I've seen or heard refer to him as a word that rhymes with heard. And everyday that he can't pass this test, he's looking worse.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 2, 2010 8:20 AM


I meant a hero in the eyes of some players around the league because he got paid big-time before a team could use him up and spit him out. This freaking guy missed the whole conditioning program and is missing training camp too. He's an anchor around our necks. At least Allen and Shanahan can save Snyder from himself the next time he wants to give a record contract to a malingerer.

Posted by: Skinz4Lyfe | August 2, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

So, is that normal? To me, it says something else is wrong with his knee. The guy has lost some weight, so if anything, there should be less stress on the knee. I've had six knee surgeries and had my knee drained once. When I had my knee drained, it was because there was a buildup of scar tissue that they ultimately had to clean up with arthroscopy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse


I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that all 300+ pound linemen have knee issues on some level.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will pass the next conditioning test because it will be Haslett giving it to him. Lets pretend that this is 25 yards and you run like it is and ...Shanahan doesn't care. If Haslett says Big Al passed the test then Big Al has passed the test. And this is what is going to happen. Its ludicrous to claim that on Friday you are not in shape, but on Saturday you are. But once again its Haynesworth is far behind. How is that? What is exactly is that the team does that Haynesworth is unaware of? Because he doesn't walk around in the morning in with everyone? He is sitting there watching. Is Haynesworth a rookie?He is 30 years old. I really doubt that what goes on defensively he hasn't seen before.But its he is far behind. No explanation. Just this random general statement thrown out there and we are supposed to simply accept it so that we think Haynesworth has th IQ of a 2 year old. Haslett himself is teaching Haynesworth for the most obvious reason that Haslett himself knows how valuable Haynesworth is to Haslett.To me it is another stupid media statement designed to create controversy where none exists. Haynesworth is well aware of what is going on, but he has a bum knee and everyone knows this is an issue for him.
Haslett needs to rig the test so AH passes it and I think that is what he will do.

Posted by: firemetalrat | August 2, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Well...if it is just soreness/inflammation,
why not inject the knee?
That`s what the Docs do
during the season. Why not let him take the test on a fixed bike or elliptical cross trainer. Set a goal of distance and time...it will be a lower impact way of determining his condition. A 340 pound guy will put a lot of stress/pounding on those knees. I like how Shannay is embarrassing him..but to create a chronic knee issue may not end up being the best move.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | August 2, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse


1) Pass the freakin test, get on with camp.

2) Don't pass the test, get on with camp.

There's no distraction, only AH faking a soar knee.

Still no bites on B Banks returning P/KO's ?

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

1) Pass the freakin test, get on with camp.

2) Don't pass the test, get on with camp.

There's no distraction, only AH faking a soar knee.

Still no bites on B Banks returning P/KO's ?

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse


According to the reports it was team trainers/doctors telling Shanny that AH should rest the knee. Not sure how you fake that.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know what I was going to do after Lindsay went to jail.

Thank heavens for Shuttlegate!

Posted by: Original_etrod


I think she got out today.

Posted by: Predator48 | August 2, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse


hess, we're paying him to be disruptive

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:42 AM

On the field in game situations, yes. At training camp out of shape, no.

I still think this isn't as big a distraction as the media has made it out to be. It certainly has gotten some RI posters at each others throats, including me.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse


hess, we're paying him to be disruptive

Posted by: Yammerstein | August 2, 2010 8:42 AM

On the field in game situations, yes. At training camp out of shape, no.

I still think this isn't as big a distraction as the media has made it out to be. It certainly has gotten some RI posters at each others throats, including me.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"hess, we're paying him to be disruptive within a 10-yard circle from where we line him up, either at DE or NT."

I think that you're underestimating his responsibilities a bit. If he's at d-end and the play is run wide to the opposite side of the field, I would want him to pursue from the back side, at an angle that would deter cutbacks. It's also my understanding that our D will be patterned after those in Pittsburgh and Green Bay, and those teams will sometimes drop a d-lineman back in coverage. Both of those things entail d-linemen running considerably farther than 10 yards.

I guess that the bottom line for me is that what Shanahan is having AH do is not out of the ordinary for players who miss most of the off-season workouts, and former players like Mike Golic have said that the test is not unreasonably difficult. Some 'Skins apparently thought that many of AH's "injuries" last year occurred when he was gassed and wanted to get off of the field. Anything that would prevent that from recurring can't be too bad.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 2, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

lol.

Srsly, tho. I'm looking for another interpretation, 'cause I'm not buying the given story. Are you?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 2, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

So, he's not practicing but he gets hurt anyway?

FREE DANA STUBBLEFIELD!!!

Posted by: ShovelPlease | August 2, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


I meant a hero in the eyes of some players around the league because he got paid big-time before a team could use him up and spit him out. This freaking guy missed the whole conditioning program and is missing training camp too. He's an anchor around our necks. At least Allen and Shanahan can save Snyder from himself the next time he wants to give a record contract to a malingerer.

Posted by: Skinz4Lyfe

In the eye's of the players in the league, he's an out of shape moppet.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Bwaaahhaaaahhhaaaahhhaaa!!

You guys are hilarious! AH is a Redskin in name only with the heart of a Cowboy? You mean the same Cowboys that pasted you last year??!! LMAO!!

The long line of over-the-hill or deadbeat players coming to the Deadskins, getting paid and leaving little Danny holding an empty burgundy and gold bag gets longer. After you guys cut Haynesworth, maybe we'll pay him the veteran's minimum to slap McNabb around just to make you hate him even more. Then we'll promptly cut him! LOL!!

I gotta get off this stinkin' Deadskin Insider board before the stench of you losers rubs off on me. I'll be back after we kick your butt in the first game of the season. Nothing like hearing your pathetic wailing after yet ANOTHER heartbreaking loss!! Remember to put a Cowboys flag on your car so you'll have constant reminder of who your daddy is:

J-E-R-R-Y J-O-N-E-S

When will y'all learn??

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 2, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

zis thing on.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 2, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

My opinion is that any poorly performing player they hold onto for just one more day is stealing practice time from someone else.

Can I hear an "amen" from all of the Cult of Bartel members out there?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

It's early in camp, so they still need arms. Beyond that, I think Colt is one of those players who plays better than he practices. He'll have to be that way this year. I starting to come around to the idea Dissel44 has been putting out there, that they will be only two qbs on the active roster, with another on the practice squad.

Posted by: TWISI | August 2, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Is this thing on?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 2, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse


According to the reports it was team trainers/doctors telling Shanny that AH should rest the knee. Not sure how you fake that.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 9:13 AM

I don't buy it, after his antics last year. And I don't buy this "team sources" crap either. We finally get a coach that expects players to be in football shape, and some folks think he's to hard on AH. If it had been any other player on the roster, that player would have to pass the test also.

Posted by: hessone | August 2, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 2, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

L-O-S-E-R

Posted by: Predator48 | August 2, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

we'll let Stompy ride the bench before we let the Cowgirls, I'd think.

Oh & eTrod: I guess you can start paying attention to Lindsay again...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 2, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Big Al's Big Boat is going to be stuck in the marina for a while. Like most of the season. Not much fun there - can't have the strippers over for a good party when you are at the dock, can you?

Boat: Hole in the water that you pour money into.

Maybe Danny should have just bought a boat himself and cut out the middleman?

Posted by: perspective6 | August 2, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Mike Golic is actually going to do this test himself today. Now if a guy who has been out of the NFL for over 15 years can pass it, what does it say for AH's conditioning?? Not much.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | August 2, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this excuse-making by Haynesworth is just an attempt at putting off the inevitable awkward reunion with his team mates? I wouldn't discount the idea he is less than enthusiastic about joining london fletcher and phillip daniels, and is just sub-consciously using this test as the reason to prolong not having to deal with them...especially given they know the defense and he doesn't.

Really, I doubt a mildly swollen knee would typically keep you out of a five minute drill if you wanted to pass it. Players play with pain all the time.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 2, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse
Well, Harrison is a LB, and since it was the very end of the half, everone else was gassed also, so no one caught him. Do you think Haynie would run down Harrison?

Posted by: frediefritz | August 2, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins think AH is faking a sore knee, they should get an independent medical evaluation and take it up with the league. They haven't, so they don't think that.

As for the "injured while running" thing, most likely correct, injured while trying Shanahan's stupid game which one league executive said was set up to fail Haynesworth. AH is perfectly correct and within his rights not to risk an aggravation of the injury until he is 100 percent. If that keeps him from practicing, that is entirely up to Shanahan. Shanahan has had no success since Elway retired, and his "hard a$s coach" act is ineffective when coaching adults who have a union to back them up.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 2, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Conspiracy? The point is that you never know what is going to happen year-to-year...or even week-to-week in the NFL.

AZ didn't trade for him - Maybe they want to give Leinhart a real shake this year to see where he's at. They invested a high pick in him and he's been sitting around for years. They need to see once-for-all if he can play before going in a new direction.

Vikings - They still seem set to put all of their eggs in the Favre basket for now.

All of this could change in 6months to a year, as could the Redskins situation and McNabb's mindset.

Did you ever imagine in the offseason that we would end up with McNabb as our starting QB this season?? Doubt it.

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

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I agree with this, and I would add that Arizona might have thought that the asking price for McNabb was too high. They might have wanted him, but a 2nd and 3rd/4th was too much to pay.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | August 2, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse


Shanahan: Albert, you're not stepping on that field until you pass my conditionioning test!

Haynesworth: Promise, coach?

Posted by: Firuz1 | August 2, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan: Albert, you're not stepping on that field until you pass my conditioning test!

Haynesworth: Promise, coach?

Posted by: Firuz1 | August 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know how the process begins to go after the $21 million?

Posted by: Pepper5

What complicates this matter is the league's situation regarding a new contract with NFLPA. If any team go after any individual's up front money, money he got legally through the misjudgment and stupidity of a team's management, the Player's association isn't likely to stand idly by.

They'll be like the NRA and anything gun related, or the ACLU and anything freedom of speech related. They may not like the guy/issue they're defending, but they feel they have to keep the other side from making inroads.

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I guess Farvre is a malingerer. When is he showing up to camp? But when the game starts he is ready. And so will Haynesworth
if his knee is not a bigger problem than most people know about. And this actually makes my whole point about how the media treats Haynesworth. No one questions Farvre.Is he getting behind? He isn't even in camp. But Haynesworth who is in camp is getting behind. So how is nit that your starting quarterback who is lounging in Louisiana during his teams camp can walk right into his team and I am here and no one says anything, but Haynesworth who is in camp has to physically walk around with every one to figure what is going on.And I suspect its racial. Farvre is white and Haynesworth is black so the white guy is so smart that he doesn't have to show up to camp and the black is so stupid that he must physically get up to walk around with everyone or he doesn't get it. If AH were white people wouldn't be calling him a malingerer and treating him like he has th IQ of a fish.

Posted by: firemetalrat | August 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

i love how jason reid writes that if haynesworth passes the test he is expected to start at right end. how the hell do you know reid? shanahan HATES haynesworth. he might not even be on the team when the season starts. you are the WORST beat writer of all-time and the worst writer at the post next to bog steiny.

Posted by: slim4 | August 2, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: firemetalrat | August 2, 2010 10:16 AM

Shanahan has proven to be too clever by half and now he'll have to live with the consequences.

Posted by: Firuz1 | August 2, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It's apparent AH isn't nor has he thought about being in shape for the season. If you let him on the field, he'll give you 2 downs and then claim he's hurt. I would pull the ole freeze game on AH. I would keep him on the bench for the remainder of his contract and basically end his career. Give him no playing time, don't trade him, nothing. If he's going to stick me for $21M, leave and play great somewhere else, I'm gonna be just as much of an azz and stick him!

Posted by: kevin_jackson1 | August 2, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

He is will ALWAYS be injured. He will NOT PLAY this year. Let's forget about this clown.

Posted by: adrian7 | August 2, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I guess Farvre is a malingerer. When is he showing up to camp? But when the game starts he is ready. And so will Haynesworth
if his knee is not a bigger problem than most people know about. And this actually makes my whole point about how the media treats Haynesworth. No one questions Farvre.Is he getting behind? He isn't even in camp. But Haynesworth who is in camp is getting behind. So how is nit that your starting quarterback who is lounging in Louisiana during his teams camp can walk right into his team and I am here and no one says anything, but Haynesworth who is in camp has to physically walk around with every one to figure what is going on.And I suspect its racial. Farvre is white and Haynesworth is black so the white guy is so smart that he doesn't have to show up to camp and the black is so stupid that he must physically get up to walk around with everyone or he doesn't get it. If AH were white people wouldn't be calling him a malingerer and treating him like he has th IQ of a fish.

Posted by: firemetalrat | August 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

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Ummm...**clears throat**

1. This issue isn't about race. It's about someone trying to fleece his employer for a truckload of money;
2. Favre gets a "pass" because he took his team to the NFC title game last year after having sat out for most of training camp -- what, exactly, did Haynesworth do to help his team?

Carry on...

Posted by: arizona4 | August 2, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Does it really matter how much practice time he gets? I mean, NT in a 3 man front line isn't all that tricky is it? He's going to be double-teamed every play. His job is to clog the middle and nothing else. Some NTs will go weeks without a tackle, but are still considered great at their position. They just need to get him in shape by the time the season rolls around. I'm not worried.

Posted by: mbyrd28 | August 2, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Get creative with the guy. Bad knee? Abdominals. Arm pulleys. Etc. He can do cardovascular exercises without using his knee. If he comes up with another injury... well maybe that will help the Redskins get some money back when this thing goes to court.

Posted by: adrian7 | August 2, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Practice? We talk'n about practice?? PRACTICE??? Haynesworth will be ready when the games count.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 2, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse


Get creative with the guy. Bad knee? Abdominals. Arm pulleys. Etc. He can do cardovascular exercises without using his knee. If he comes up with another injury... well maybe that will help the Redskins get some money back when this thing goes to court.

Posted by: adrian7 | August 2, 2010 10:55 AM

Are you kidding? The Redskins will never recoup a dime of that money. Injuries are a part of Fat Al's profession and the minute they gave him that money in April they were DOOMED. Time to cut bait.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | August 2, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Can't see a good ending to this mess.

Posted by: Masonman | August 2, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Redskins doctors have examined this player and have not questioned his injury. The Post should refer to Haynesworth and his injury exactly as they do for Stephen Strasburg. Either stop saying that he "skipped a test" (as if he wasn't injured) or start putting in headlines that Strasburg "skipped a start" with only distant, passing reference to his injury (Strasburg is injured, right?)

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 2, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

AH needs to fire his personal trainer and try to get back the $$$ he paid him, then he would know what the Redskins organization thinks about his malingering. Oh yeah, I guess you have to have a conscience and some sense of self esteem before you can feel that.

And for those who think "Shanny" is picking on Albert, he's only doing what he's done in his coaching career, asking athletes who are being paid millions of dollars to do the things necessary to perform on the field. Other teams hold these same conditioning drills, do the off season work and you practice, it's pretty simple.

Albert is proving that he's not a whole lot different than another BIG, FAT athlete who got paid megabucks to do nothing,.. Jamarcus Russell. There needs to be some way organizations can get money back from malingerers such as these two lazy bums!

Posted by: Royedw1 | August 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

firemetalrat = Wilbon.

Posted by: motiongrfx | August 2, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

beepbeep wrote:
don't understand why everyone thinks that the only way Shanny can exert control is if he holds AH out of practices. Why not just have him practice with the second or third string and then punish him after practice until he "passes" whatever test Shanny wants him to.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | August 2, 2010 8:29 AM

He can't practice because he failed the conditioning test. You don't fail it and then practice with the second string or third sting. If you fail it, you're not in condition to practice with anyone, even the strippers.

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Shanahn is beginning to make himself out to be arrogant. None of the other lineman on that team could complete this test and they were there the whole offseason. If he wants credibility with the notion that Haynesworth is out of shape than have Kematou or one of the other big guys run the test. Philip Daniels said that none of the other players completed this fitness test, they ran the shuttle but none of them were under the clock. Also the Redskins have put in a twist that none of the other teams put in the 300 yard shuttle they usually run 6 50 yard shuttles. The Redskins have made it 12 25 yard shuttles and that is a lot of stopping and starting for a 330 pound man.

Posted by: impartial1 | August 2, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of how much he may be buying into the system and how much he might contribute to the season ahead, it sure is a shame that anybody's energies are being focussed on getting him up to speed rather than moving the team forward. It makes every sense to get him up to speed; but those minutes spent with him are minutes the staff could be spending trying to win football games rather than baby-sitting.

Posted by: drcethompson | August 2, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

laserword wrote:
Fat Albert is looking like a fool. The test is standard NFL fare - if he is to play DE he will have to stunt and run repeatedly. This test is legitimate and necessary. His unwillingness to perform the test within the prescribed time and rules indicates he is a miscreant. He is a documented part-time player who will do anything not to shoulder any responsibility for his actions.

Fat Albert is a Redskin in contract only. He has the heart of a cowboy
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My fellow Redskins fans are woefully devoid of facts. This is not the standard NFL Test, Warren Sapp the most dominant defensive tackle of his era said that they had to run 6 50 yard runs in their 300 yard shuttle and were not timed. Albert Haynesworth had to run 12 25 yard shuttles and the starting and stopping makes it more difficult for a 330 pounder. No other lineman could pass this test and they were here for the entire off season. It is making Shanahan appear to be petty and vindictive and great men and coaches should be above this.

Posted by: impartial1 | August 2, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse


It's like that old detective show "Columbo". Haynesworth is the bumbling detective Columbo who everyone thinks is a step slow and will never beat them at their own game. Ultimately they find out he's ahead of everybody the whole time. Training camp was supposed to be a clean slate for everybody and Shanny decided to play games.

Haynesworth is malingering, folks, just to let Shanny know that he can eff with him too. And you know what? I don't blame him.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | August 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear MrIrvin88,

Since 2000:

Dallas= 4 Playoff appearances, 0 Playoff wins
5-5 vs Washington

Washington= 2 Playoff appearances, 1 Playoff win
5-5 vs Dallas

any questions?

You don't have to call us "daddy"...just BETTER...'cause them's JUST the facts cowpoke...

BTW, you better go buy a 55 gallon drum of liniment for Romo's shoulder. If he thinks it is sore, now...wait until week 1 of the regular season.

It is ON, son...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 2, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Pepper5 wrote:
Anyone know how the process begins to go after the $21 million
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Not a chance they can go after the money. The problem the Redskins would have is the fact that they did not test any of the other lineman under the clock. This is purely punitive and any arbiter would look at it as double punishment, the guy missed one mandatory day of practice and paid the fine that the collective bargaining agreement allows for missing a day of minicamp. The players association would eat them for lunch, because the guy was singled out for this fitness test and the onus would be on the Redskins to prove that similarly situated atheletes could pass this test. The people in this blog that say they completed the test in under 70 seconds do not mention how they fared with a 3 1/2 minute break on the second portion. Remember Albert passed it in under 70 seconds also, but it he took longer to complete the second portion.

Posted by: impartial1 | August 2, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If AH hadn't skipped the OTAs and the mandatory mini-camp my guess is he'd be praciticing now...sore knee or not.

Posted by: soccerman | August 2, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Fact: Haynesworth lost 20 pounds in the off-season to play football

Fact: "Cornerback DeAngelo Hall and other Redskins veterans admitted they might not have passed a similar test without having weeks of notice." -ESPN.com

Fact: Shanahan did not have any other player attempt the conditioning test.

Shanahan's power play actually ended up hurting Haynesworth, which now will serve 2 purposes: 1) it will show others what a jerk Shanahan is and 2) it now gives Albert an excuse to sit out and possibly not play this season. Great job, Mike.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/shanahan-admits-only-haynesworth-was-required-to-take-conditioning-test/

Posted by: mel_gibson_ | August 2, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

...but AH is here and willing to work...

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren

Here, yes. But willing to work? That's highly debateable. I'm getting the distinct impression he's not willing to work at all.

Posted by: phinehas | August 2, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT A REALLY NOVEL IDEA-why don't we talk about the REDSKIN players and coaching staff,who have been putting in the xtra effort and desire to actually become BETTER,and strive to be the best they can be!! I for one,in the light of where we've been the
last few years,am excited about what the NEW REGIME is doing,and
where they may go! I'm tired of hearing about this one person(#92),
PURGE HIM,and move on!Focus on the one's who want 2b a TEAM!!!
Stop talking about him and let him go CRY somewhere else!PLEASE!

Posted by: 1956fan4life | August 2, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

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