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If Albert Haynesworth won't play nose tackle for the Redskins, who will?

The Albert Haynesworth Situation will shine a bright light of intrigue on an otherwise quiet period on the NFL calendar. Ask five people around Redskins Park how the Albert Haynesworth Situation will stand come August, and you might get five different answers.

Haynesworth seems fairly convinced the Redskins intend to plop him in the middle of the line in the 3-4 defense, something he has no interest in doing. So if he doesn't do it -- which is to say, if he never again sports burgundy and gold -- who will play nose tackle? Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan didn't seem too concerned on Wednesday. "We've got four guys lined up there," he said.

The Redskins' current roster lists three nose tackles: Maake Kemoeatu, Howard Green and Anthony Bryant. Kemoeatu, who is recovering from a torn Achilles' tendon, says he's about 90 percent healthy and hopes to be ready for training camp. If healthy, he seems like a good candidate to top the depth chart.

Adam "Carriker can play the nose tackle position as well," Shanahan said. "We can put a number of people in there that play defensive end that can also play nose tackle, but Adam can play nose tackle as well."

Versatility is key for the defensive linemen. While three are listed as nose tackles and four are listed as defensive ends (Carriker, Rob Jackson, Phillip Daniels and Darrion Scott), three more are vaguely listed as defensive linemen (Vonnie Holliday, Trey Jacobs and Greg Peterson) and two others are listed as defensive tackles (Haynesworth and Kedric Golston).

"All our players play multiple positions," Shanahan said. "If you are a defensive end, you have to play nose tackle. You got to do what is best for our football team."

Haynesworth clearly doesn't want to play in the Redskins' 3-4 defense, whether he lines up at nose or end. But Shanahan says it's difficult to say where he projects because coaches have yet to see him on the field.

"Albert hasn't been here. He has no idea what type of scheme we're running," Shanahan said. "All he envisions is a typical nose tackle from what I read."

Shanahan obviously wasn't happy with Haynesworth's absence from this week's minicamp, which concludes today, but he also pointed out that a whole lot is different from last week. The defense was practicing and learning the new scheme without Haynesworth then -- and they'll continue doing that without him again today.

"I feel very good about our football team in general. We're making strides every day. We've made a lot of improvements," Shanahan said.

By Rick Maese  |  June 17, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Mike Shanahan , Minicamp  
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So here's a logical thought, AH doesn't want to play nose tackle, move him to DE and everybody's happy. Then again what do logic and happiness have to do with anything, we're talking about the 'Skins here, ha!

Posted by: michaelstarr | June 17, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

All I read is "Stay Cool guys, STAY COOL"

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

It's not as simple as moving him to DE. Fat Albert is getting his opinion of where he'll play based on a basic 3-4 DEF. He might've liked how it worked out, but now he nor any of us will never know.

Posted by: adkins_3 | June 17, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

So here's a logical thought, AH doesn't want to play nose tackle, move him to DE and everybody's happy. Then again what do logic and happiness have to do with anything, we're talking about the 'Skins here, ha!

Posted by: michaelstarr | June 17, 2010 6:27 AM


That's what's most appalling about this whole situation...nobody's come out and told AH that he definately HAS to play NT. From everything I've heard, they've been planning to move him around but mostly play him at RDE. But it's neither here nor there at this point...you absolutely don't want to have a cancer like this on your team anyway. It's been obvious since Day 1 this guy doesn't give a sh*t about anything except his own fat @ss and the money in his pocket so F him and the retarded "braintrust" that brought him here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

And to answer the question atop the thread, you roll with Kemo at NT and you're damn happy about it. Kemo is a natural fit at NT, and most important of all, HE WANTS TO BE HERE. Once he's fully recovered from the Achilles' injury, he and Carriker are the two best defensive acquisitions this offseason. Book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

It's certainly possible to kiss and make up with AH, he comes in and apologizes to the team for being such a stickler, than hits the field and puts his fiercest game on. He'll rapidly earn back his teammates' respect, also the coaches', and off we go. It can work out, y'all! Problem is we have some male egos starting to get in the way of things. Tsk-tsk.

Posted by: michaelstarr | June 17, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Big Al wants to be back in Tennessee. He played college ball ther and spent his pro career there up until the monster contract. He may not like the 3-4 alignment, but he dislikes the D.C. Area even more. He wants to be home and is going to cry until he gets his way.

Posted by: BigE44 | June 17, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Just got back from a cruise and see AH is the azz I thought all along. Where are all the AH apologists now? So many defended him when he didn't come in for voluntary workouts. Now Fletcher has called him out. I hope we can trade him for more O-line help and a pick. We have enough bodies to make the D-line work.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

It's certainly possible to kiss and make up with AH, he comes in and apologizes to the team for being such a stickler, than hits the field and puts his fiercest game on...

Posted by: michaelstarr | June 17, 2010 6:50 AM


Dude, if AH were capable of this level of forward and positive thinking, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The bottom line is AH doesn't like the new direction of the team and wants no part of it. He's not interested in finding out what it's all about, he's not interested in seeing how he'd fit into the new scheme, he just wants to be free to do whatever he wants like he was in Tennessee. To which I reply, "you shoulda stayed the f*ck in Tennessee then".

There's no fixing this. This is over.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh and I do understand liking Tenn. over DC. DC is not a place I'd long to be either. But for his contract I'd go too and endure the political BS, traffic, bad weather, rude people, etc.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Just got back from a cruise and see AH is the azz I thought all along. Where are all the AH apologists now? So many defended him when he didn't come in for voluntary workouts. Now Fletcher has called him out. I hope we can trade him for more O-line help and a pick. We have enough bodies to make the D-line work.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 6:59 AM


First of all, Adam Shefter says don't expect anything more than a 3rd round pick...and that's if somebody's completely pressed to get him. I think we'd be lucky to get that since this is now a full blown controversy.

As for the AH apologists, most of them have come around to the reality that the guy is a complete turd. There's a couple people that still think he's the victim, but they've been outed as complete idiots.

Sorry you had to come home to this mess, dude...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh and I do understand liking Tenn. over DC. DC is not a place I'd long to be either.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 7:03 AM


Are you kidding me? I've lived in several different areas in my life (including down South near Nashville) and the DC area is head and shoulders better than all of them. Plus it's not like the dude has to live in Southeast or something...the Skins play in PG County and train in friggin' Ashburn. AH doesn't have to touch DC city limits if he doesn't want to.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

no worries, this is a diversion from everyday life only.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Am not buying into all this AH negativity, it just doesn't have to end this way. Hey it's D.C., maybe send over an FBI hostage negotiation team and work things out with the guy, either that or gas up Danny's jet and fly a bunch of AH's defensive teammates to meet with him. Show a little genuine empathy for his viewpoint, and ask for some back. Efforts like that can go a long way towards resolving seemingly unresolvable differences sometimes! This is really only about playing good football, AH wants that himself, this isn't nearly as complicated as some would make it seem.

Posted by: michaelstarr | June 17, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

(And for an encore I'll resolve the crisis in the middle east. Remember, success comes in cans, not in cannots.)

Posted by: michaelstarr | June 17, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Just thinking how appropriate referring to this kid as AH is...it describes WHO he is (Albert Haynesworth) and WHAT he is (A$$ Hole)

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 17, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Moving Haynesworth to another position just to appease his feeling might be good for Albert, but it is bad for the team. Remember, no player is greater than the team. I say no to accomodating a player this way. If the team wants him to play nose, well, he is under contract and he should go where he is asked.

As for who could play at nose, I think Mako is the logical person. His backups will be Green and Bryant. If Haynesworth won't be with the team they will seek out another big body. I can't see them moving the light-ish defensive ends to nose. It looks good in the press but probably isn't so practical when you are talking about needing a space eater who can take on a guard and a center.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I don't like the traffic in the DC metro area. Guess that's why we have choice. I'd rather live in the Bahamas. Like the ocean/beach life.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Michael, you're giving AH way too much credit here...I mean, you're trying to apply reason and logic to a guy who doesn't appear to have any of either. I'm not sure what part of "he doesn't like the new direction of the team" you're not understanding, but since we're not gonna reassemble the Vinny and Zorn band just to placate AH, I don't see where you think this is getting fixed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe he wants to play in NYC, closer to his pregnant stripper? Or in Tenn, so he can visit the guy he nearly killed while driving 100 mph +, or maybe Knoxville so he can try to kill his former teammate again with a huge metal pole, or it could be in Dallas so he can try to stomp a man to death with cleats and 350 pounds of weight?

AH is everything that is wrong with pro athletes and his actions completely overshadow the real good guys. I honestly hope he breaks his leg. What a fat coward.

Posted by: Section104 | June 17, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"Moving Haynesworth to another position just to appease his feeling might be good for Albert, but it is bad for the team."

Amen.

The guy shines the FO with a $21 million middle finger, then, in order to keep the money, shows up demanding to play only where he wants to.

That'll set a bad precedent from day one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Theismann jumps aboard the anti-Haynesworth bandwagon
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 17, 2010 7:20 AM ET
Former Redskins quarterback Joe Theismann has joined the growing chorus of voices ripping Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth for skipping a mandatory minicamp 15 months after signing a $100 million contract.

"He really offers nothing as a person, as a player, as a teammate," Theismann said of Haynesworth on Sirius NFL Radio, per Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. "The only thing this big man has is a big bank account, and good for him, I guess. . . . If you're a selfish individual -- which Albert has proven to be -- he played this thing absolutely perfect for him. Take the money, so what if I play, so what if I don't play, I really don't care any more? And truthfully, he doesn't really care about playing football."

Theismann said Haynesworth was motivated to play well in 2008 because he was in a contract year, but that once he got his money, he stopped caring.

"He's not a team player," Theismann said. "He doesn't give a damn about anybody but himself, which has become painfully obvious. And you know what, Albert doesn't care what anybody says. He's pocketed 21 million dollars. If anybody would look at this situation, you'd have to say it's all about the money, its not about the love of the game. He pulled the classic wool over peoples' eyes: play really well in your final year of a contract as a free agent, get somebody to pony up a lot of money that needs you in the system that they're running -- which the Redskins did in a 4-3 -- and then show us really what kind of character and individual you are."

The vast majority of Redskins fans no doubt agree with Theismann's tough talk. But if what Theismann says is true, Redskins fans should be angry not only with Haynesworth, but also with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, who was the one who allowed Haynesworth to pull the wool over the Redskins' eyes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

"Section" just nailed it with your last post. VC and DS just ignored all the warning signs.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

After listening to what Shanny has said, I have come to thins conclusion. Before any camp started, they never actually said we were going to run a 3-4...Why? Becuase, they wanted to test the players out on the field to see if they fit. So if Albert was there they may have made some adjustments. However, either way, the most important part is the Brain Orakpo will be able to stand up and Rush.

Then, you have a guy like Adam Carrieker, who when first signed everyone called him a Left D End. You get him on the practice field and what happens? You find out he can play Nose Tackle as well.

I say all this to say, Hasslet has wrinkles in his scheme to fit each player. He is only going to put the best player, in the best postition.

The tape we all need to look at is the Steelers defense of back in 07 or 06. With Lou Spano's and Hasslet, that is the type of defense we will be running. I rember seeing Casey Hampton, create Havoc all the time. Look at Dallas with Jay Ratliff, he creates Havoc all the time.

I think it is not so much the scheme, that is making Haynsworth upset. Becuase, from the way London spoke, and the way I rember last year...He wasn't happy with the 4-3.

The bottom line is, Haynsworth was free to do whatever he wanted to do with the Titans. There was a scheme for 10 players, than ALberts Scheme. He was allowed to do whatever. But the Redskins are moving into a different culture, so no more allowing guys to free-willy around...Or go cry to Danny which is what Albert did last season.

He doesn't like the dispcipline. You can go back when he was in school. He wasn't a good student. He made bad grades, he was feeded with a golden spoon becuase he was a good football player.

I would welcome him back if he buys in, respects, apologzies (not to us, but his teamates and coaches AND OWNER), and does what he is asked.

As much as we talk about Laron Landry, we have to rember, the guys first year in the league his partner in crime died. He had to try to feel Seans hole. That is impossible, becuase Sean was too good a player. Laron knows he belongs closer to the line. But he never once complained. Why, becuase he wanted to try his best from having everyone have to dweel on Seans death. He did that for his team.

London is moving to a 3-4 MLB; much different from a 4-3 MLB. But has he complained once. NO.

ITs not about 3-4 or 4-3. This guy just wants to do his own thing on the Line. But he will never find out unless he is here. So I would not do him a favor and trade him. Let it ride until Training Camp. If he doesn't show up, or he shows up with an attitude, sit him and Fine him. Look for a trade when someone is desprate during the season. We will get more in return.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 17, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

They're in the process of pouring Quikcrete on their respective positions. Management that Albert should show up and play where they want him to play. Albert that he never would have signed if he knew they were going to change things up on him, and so he's not obliged to cooperate.

Not much wiggle room on either side.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2010 12:35 AM
..................

AH HAD an out: he didn't have to take the $21,000,000 bonus. IF it's true that he was offered his release before he took the $21,000,000, and IF it's true that shanny said, "if you take this $21,000,000 we expect you to be the best NT/DE in the league", well, then his "complaints" about how he's being used are totally bogus.

it is really striking what other players are now saying about him. it is encouraging in a way - it speaks to team unity, and says everyone else is "buying in" to shanny's (and hasslet's) "system". like they've said, if AH comes back, he's got a lot of "fence mending" to do. these guys are pissed about theri working out and defending AH all offseason only to have him pull this ish.

as far as how this will play out, who knows - i'm still stuck on "anger" and want to punish AH - but as far as who's culpable...that's easy: AH. so, apparently AH is "pouring quikcrete" on an untenable position.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Butterworth is just a lil biznitch. Every Body forgets he beefed Greg Blache at the end of last season, so he is never happy. He is just using the 3-4 to make a scene and get attention.
of course all the reporters jump on it and glorify his selfish ways. He didnt ever do anything last year, and the team played better with out him on the field which was a majority of the time.
No one is to blame but Snyder and Cerrato, use some of that money Snyder and get some Rude Boys to give him a pounding.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | June 17, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

rocco, not to play editor here, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they use words like "feeded". Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"Show a little genuine empathy for his viewpoint, and ask for some back"

Mike, were you being serious?? When the team gave him the option of NOT taking the 21 mil, and getting cut, or TAKING the 21 mil, and coming in and playing and he TOOK the 21 mil, what were they supposed to do??

When he skipped all the activities that everyone else was here for, and they didn't say a PEEP, wasn't that being empathetic?? Stop making AH into the victim......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't have to be this way. I think if we change the defense back to a scheme Albert approves, then maybe give him a cash bonus and an apology he'll show up for at least one of the OTA's.

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"Moving Haynesworth to another position just to appease his feeling might be good for Albert, but it is bad for the team."

Amen.

The guy shines the FO with a $21 million middle finger, then, in order to keep the money, shows up demanding to play only where he wants to.

That'll set a bad precedent from day one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 7:37 AM
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"There is no I in team." I am hoping that pretty soon, there "is no AH in team either".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,
i totally agree - and roccoskins makes very good points, imo. i'll be reading along and things like that trip me up. but...i suppose that's my problem. if you point out the differences btwn your/you're and their/there/they're and then/than and sew fourth, sum hear due knot want two here yew.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Walter, I know it's good blog etiquette to lay off other bloggers for arbitrary misspellings and the such, but "feeded"? C'mon son...even Emmitt Smith wouldn't say "feeded"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

rocco, not to play editor here, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they use words like "feeded". Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 8:13 AM
_________________________________________
My fault man, I was just typing off the top of my head. So I wansn't trying to write a novel or anything. Just letting a little frustration loose. I take my skins stuff to heart. But my fault for the "made up" words.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 17, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

If Adam Carriker is lining up as a NT in anything other than third and really freaking long it will be a very bad year.

Maake has been an average DT for the last 8 years prior to the injury what makes everyone think he can actually be a quality NT now? If he had the ability to be a good NT the Ravens would not have let him get away 4 years ago.

Carriker is also missed the entire 2009 season. Going into the season with 2/3 of your dline having missed the previous season is not a good thing.

Not saying that they should cater to Fat Al. It is not the system as much as it is that he wants to be the centerpiece and be able to free lance. He got not so promises from the current staff and rightfully so. He is also a fat lazy pos that already got paid and has nothing to work for. Danny and Vinny should have done their due diligence as this was widely believed to be the MO for this guy.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Scratch that...Emmitt Smith definitely WOULD say something as illiterate as "feeded". And worse...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGT08DTk3NM

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

brown, in that instance, emmit would have gone with debacled......

he was feeded with a golden spoon

becomes

he was debacled with a golden spoon

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Well, Albert Haynesworth turned out not to be a man. I'm shocked.

I actually think there might even be a small silver lining here. This "controversy" creates a public distraction around the Skins. The team gets to fly under the radar for a few weeks. Then when the real football starts, ta-daa, it turns out that Kemo and the rest of the line can actually play.

Come to think of it, maybe this is actually a plot... Shanny wants to really put an end once and for all to Snyder's ways by creating public humiliation for Snyderatto, and Shanny's already got Plan B in place... So he acts like a control freak when he talks to Mr. Haynesworth, to make Haynesworthless overreact...

Posted by: SonofNero | June 17, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

It's all good Rocco, I had a gaffe a few days ago too...no worries.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

roccoskins,
thanks for being good-natured about it. like i said, i enjoyed that comment (and others) of yours.

agree that hasslet is clever enough to try to get the most out of his players. there are NTs and there are NTs. he would have been allowed to "thrive" here. f AH for f-ing everyone around him (and himself).

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Maake has been an average DT for the last 8 years prior to the injury what makes everyone think he can actually be a quality NT now? If he had the ability to be a good NT the Ravens would not have let him get away 4 years ago.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 8:48 AM


First of all, Kemo has been playing in a 4-3 the last few years in Carolina so that makes most of what you're saying moot.

The Ravens build their lines constantly, so every once in a while, they'll let a good player go because they've already a ton of good lineman. Casey Rabach is a fine example of that...he's been the starter here for years and he was a backup in Baltimore.

Same with Kemo...dude was playing behind Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata, two really good players. Just because he wasn't better than those two at the time, doesn't mean he's not good at all.

I'm not saying the guy is gonna be All-Pro, but he's certainly not a bum.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm excited at the possibility of AH's roster spot being vacated and us having more room for players like Kemo, Carriker, Green, etc, who are hungry and eager to prove.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 17, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Why is everyone so worried about the defense without 92? When plenty of times last year, the fat hustler was not on the field and we still managed to be great at run stopping. Our problem was pass coverage and Offense. I want news on Carlos Rogers, the twins DT11/MK12, and the rook Mr. Silverback.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 17, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

100% agree with Ryp and Rocco...I'll never get why so many Skins fans go to bat for AH. I mean, Titans fans DID get AH at his best and they weren't even close to this upset when he left...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"There is no I in team." I am hoping that pretty soon, there "is no AH in team either".

Indeed.

But on a more critical note, I'm wondering why the FO was so hesitant to move a guy who openly stated he didn't want to play for them.

Especially with a 21 million dollar payday and his general untrustworthness staring them in the face in the form of April Fool's Day.

I know they wanted value for him, but there comes a point where you take what you can get, and move on.

Any guy who's dated a hot babe will tell you she don't look so good if all she does is flirt, take your money, and not keep her word.

Some times you got to know when to let go of what you think you want.

You have to remember that a lot of times, subtraction is really addition.

And in the math according to NFL Free Agency, you divide the headcases from the loyal players on your roster before trouble multiples itself.

If there was an offer on the table for middle round picks before April 1st, they should've taken them, and shipped #92 outta town like he was a villian in an old western.

We can blame AH for his actions all day.

But I'm wonderin' if Team Shanallen didn't exercise enough common damn sense regarding the Boy Blunder.

Some of the finger pointing should be directed their way at some point.

Travis Henry was the last untrustworthy player to show a chink in Mike Shanahan's armour.

And it looks like Albert Haynesworth has taken the whole suit armour and pocketbook as well, making him and Dan Snyder out to be this past April's biggest Fools.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Just for a moment, I am trying to take a trip (albeit a very scary trip) inside AH's head to see his side of things. He doesn't want to play in a 3-4. Why?

A) Did he think he was ever going to be in the hall of fame playing the DT position? Sorry, chances for the HOF were probably shot down in flames the moment he stomped Gurode in front of a nationwide audience.

B) Does he think he could possibly lead the league in sacks? Sorry, that's not going to happen either. Even in a 4-3 I don't think there has ever been a defensive tackle who has led the league in sacks.

C) Did he think he could lead the league in tackles? Sorry, AH is too undisciplined to lead the league in tackles. His style of play is to shoot for the fence every down and a lot of times running backs just run right by him as he his sucked into rushing upfield.

D) Is it possible Big Al first came to Washington because he saw an owner and a coach that he could wrangle into letting him free lance as much as possible? Is it possible that he now sees that there is no way Shanny and Haslett are going to run "defense according to Big Al"? Is it possible that it is less about the 3-4 scheme and more about the coaches who won't let him be a lazy undisciplined player? Ding, ding... we have a winner.

The party is up for Mr. Haynesworth and he realizes he is going to have to work for a living. This probably terrifies him after years of getting along on just the natural gifts that God gave him. The guy could be a terror in this defense, but Haslett will make him work for it, make him be disciplined on the field, and what we are seeing is a guy who doesn't want to do things any other way than his own.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"as far as how this will play out, who knows - i'm still stuck on "anger" and want to punish AH - but as far as who's culpable...that's easy: AH. so, apparently AH is "pouring quikcrete" on an untenable position.Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch"

Don't be fooled by team spin, any more than you would by the spewings of Albert's agent. The option of renouncing the 21 mil and finding a possible deal by April 1 are really not options at all. Nobody in Ashburn expected him to succeed.

And note how they bestowed on AH the privilege of playing wherever they damn well felt like playing him. Some concession, huh?

This is a formal dance that divorcing teams and players go through. Not much more to it at this point.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

rsh, last paragraph, BINGO, you nailed it.

Al wants to cash checks, and drive his boat, that football stuff, the personal responsibility, the getting in shape, the learning the playbook, all that team CRAP, is just an inconvenience to him, and not something he's interested in at all....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Good points Moe, but the only way Shanahan looks bad in this is if he welcomes back AH, no questions asked. Or if he lets this drama drag out for too long. This wasn't his signing, so the egg isn't on his face if he cuts AH outright.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

On Haynesworth....

"I want you to get the fu#k where he breathes! I want you to find this fancy boy Albert Haynesworth, I want him dead! I want his family dead! I want his house burnt to the ground! I want to go there in the middle of the night and piss on he ashes!"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 17, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I think by this time Albert has decided that he doesn't want to play for Shanahan and Haslett, and he doesn't want to play for Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder, and he doesn't want to play in Washington, where he thinks he's not appreciated.

You believe that, somebody feeling unappreciated in DC? But we're all so supportive...

Anyway, in all the most important ways, we flunk Albert's 'wanna' test.

So did the Titans, by the way, by not coughing up a King's ransom.

Albert probably wants to go play for Greg Williams in New Orleans. Of course, Williams is the sarcastic sort, so maybe one year there is all he could take.

Or the nurturing Marvin Lewis, if he could just get Marvin to coach somewhere other than Cincinnati. Those Bengal fans are as unsupportive as we are.

Maybe start a new league entirely, the NAHL...

He likes the cash, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Samson, regardless of whether the $21 million payment story is true, AH never showed up to get a good look at what exactly the team wants him to do. That's like me having broccoli on the plate in front of me and then announcing I don't like it without ever taking a bite. Until AH lines up at NT or RDE, he doesn't know what the hell his impact will or won't be. And at the end of the day, he's being paid a boatload of cash to find out.

I get what you're saying about the posturing on both sides, but AH is so far in the wrong there's no good way to spin his actions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,
i think i've read they would have RELEASED him if he gave up the $21,000,000. he could have hand-picked whatever team he wanted at that point, right?

i think that's a fair offer from shanallen: $21,000,000 bonus PLUS ~$5,000,000 salary for this year, BUT you have to play whatever position we want you to....OR....be released and pick your team and negotiate a new deal yourself. do i have the situation right?

i think the part about TRADING him (along with his crazy contract) before he signed on for the bonus is a different deal, no?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

LOL Skinsfanintampa...I prefer the "Marked for Death" version better, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yHdDd8pm2w

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

brown

"This wasn't his signing, so the egg isn't on his face if he cuts AH outright."


The thing is, Dan Snyder's money.

$48 mil buys a lot of eggs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Read the bog post on Kemo.

I hope he's healthy because if he is, he's my new favorite Redskin.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Read the bog post on Kemo.

I hope he's healthy because if he is, he's my new favorite Redskin.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, agreed. I hope his tendon holds up though.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/n-f-l-brings-expanded-season-proposal-to-union/?src=mv

In national news. The NFL has submitted to the players union a new proposal for an 18 game season, adding a 2nd bye week and creating a developmental league.

My opinion. DO IT NOW!

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Right Moe...so the only one who looks bad in this (at least out of the responsible parties still in the building) is Dan Snyder. And since he's no longer the face of this organization, it's a non-issue.

Right now the only thing that matters is getting AH outta Ashburn. The only thing we don't know is how.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? I've lived in several different areas in my life (including down South near Nashville) and the DC area is head and shoulders better than all of them. Plus it's not like the dude has to live in Southeast or something...the Skins play in PG County and train in friggin' Ashburn. AH doesn't have to touch DC city limits if he doesn't want to.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 7:13 AM

HA! Whateves due. That's your opinion and I think you are on crack.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/n-f-l-brings-expanded-season-proposal-to-union/?src=mv

In national news. The NFL has submitted to the players union a new proposal for an 18 game season, adding a 2nd bye week and creating a developmental league.

My opinion. DO IT NOW!

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Bottomline, Haynesworth is going to lose the standoff. He may take the money and hold the Redskins hostage by not showing up in mandatory events but he's fooling no one except himself. He's going to HAVE to show up in training camp if he wants to keep that money.

By asking the Redskins to trade him is utterly stupid because he's got, like, zero trade value right now seriously. No one's gonna take him and his selfish act.

Shanahan stated he already told Haynesworth last February to find another team. Haynesworth didn't for 2 reasons- because no team WANTS him and he WANTED that signing bonus. Now by taking that money, he's made his bed and he's gonna have to lie in it whether he likes it or not.

Haynesworth will need to think hard about giving up that money in order to be released or traded. If he keeps the money, it's going to be a guarantee he'll face endless aggravation and continue to refuse to show up and end up getting suspended and ultimately voiding his contract.

I predict Haynesworth WILL give up that money BECAUSE that's what he wanted to do in the first place to walk away from the Redskins. His agent had the gall to tell him to take the money AND sit. Trust me, his agent is not smart. Haynesworth's public image may never recover from this.

If Haynesworth wants to salvage his image, he has to show up in training camp and do whatever the team needs him to do. That act alone would be an apology enough.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

walter

"I think the part about TRADING him (along with his crazy contract) before he signed on for the bonus is a different deal, no?"

The April 1st $21 million dollar balloon payment was written into the contract he initially signed with Mr. Cerrato and Mr. Snyder.

Shanallen wanted to be rid of AH, as they've stated, in February of this year.

So they had Feb./Mar. to make a trade decision, but took Haynesworth at his word that if he got the $21 mil, he'd play.

Their 1st error was trying to get 1st/2nd round picks for a player no one but Vinny Cerrato wanted.

They should've taken what was offered before April 1st and moved on.

Their 2nd error was trusting Prince Al's word that he'd play after he got the $21 million.

(And what's odd is that they stocked the team with nose tackle types, making you wonder if they sensed AH's lie, but were hamstrung after handing him the money.)

Again: we can blame AH all we want.

But at some point, the fingers get directed at folks who are paid to know better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

moe, at some point, the guy who is making all the fuss, who is making these headlines, needs to man up, show up, and play, and ALL this other stuff will go away. Show up, do the job, and earn your money.

Can we please stop making al the victim here......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Right Moe...so the only one who looks bad in this (at least out of the responsible parties still in the building) is Dan Snyder. And since he's no longer the face of this organization, it's a non-issue...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 9:47 AM

Not trying to pick on you brownie, but I have to ask... when exactly did Dan Snyder no longer become the face of this organization?

I have to ask, because I his fingerprints are all over everything. Last year, he soured on Zorn and Campbell. He wanted a franchise QB and a Super Bowl winning coach. Check.

Bear in mind, since the last time our team hit the field, Snyder's made all the biggest moves.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

greg

"Can we please stop making al the victim here..."

No one is.

Would you go into the worst neighborhood in your town, and hand your car keys over to some obviously untrustworthy person who promises he'd be back with it in an hour?

Didn't think so.

Prince Al is that person.

And Dan Snyder is the one hoping to get his keys back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I predict Haynesworth WILL give up that money BECAUSE that's what he wanted to do in the first place to walk away from the Redskins. His agent had the gall to tell him to take the money AND sit. Trust me, his agent is not smart. Haynesworth's public image may never recover from this.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2010 9:50 AM

I heard Cliff Russell and read his blog on 1067thefandc yesterday. He has been beating the drum that Haynesworth wants to be trade all along. He said yesterday his source on that information was Haynesworth's agent Mr. Speck. That was mentioned early in his radio appearance. Later on in the interview he mentioned that he spoke to an NFL source regarding Haynesworth (Mr. Speck?) returning so money to leave. That source laughed and said "what do you think" it's highly unlikely. Granted Russell my have more than one source when discussing Haynesworth, and I'm also taking at face value that his source is indeed Speck. However, I think Haynesworth intend to keep his loot (IMO he feels he earned it in 2007 & 2008). The only way he gives up aportion of the $$ is if he's able to sucker another team into making up the difference by redoing his current contract.

Posted by: TWISI | June 17, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

al, there has CLEARLY been a shift in dynamics, since Allen, and Shanny were brought in.

If you can't see that, if you can't see that Snyder is taking a back seat that MS/BA are running the show, then perhaps glasses, or contact lenses are in order...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

when exactly did Dan Snyder no longer become the face of this organization?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 9:59 AM


The minute he hired a credible GM and a proven HC.

And again when Donovan McNabb held up the #5 in burgundy and gold.

He was the face of the team because nobody else had more say or more involvement in the football operation. That's no longer the case.

So let me fix my statement a bit...he's the face of the organization, just not the face of the TEAM.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


@ged0386


sjakemuzik wrote:
Typical, modern, black athlete.

ged0386 wrote:
Whats wrong? were you teased by the black jocks in high school. Thats usually the case with white guys who as grown men have a grudge against black guys. They were bussed to the black neighborhood schools and got beat up by the black kids. And they cant let it go. Even as adults.


sjakemuzik wrote:
And as an African American male, I can say whatever I want about the young black generation. The majority of them are spoiled and don't wanna honor their commitments.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ged0386

Don't you owe sjakemuzik and all white adult males an apology? It's time you grow up ged0386.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Titans want AH back (Fischer knows how to handle him) but who do they have we would like? I say Rob Birones since Gano may be Guano.

Posted by: ElYeah | June 17, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"He has been beating the drum that Haynesworth wants to be trade all along."

With all things having been said, I have a sense Haynesworth will be on the team come July 29th.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

In all honesty Maake is the only qualified nose tackle with multi years of starting productivity. He was considered by many to be an above average NT for Carolina, with his size obv great against the run. After that its gets pretty thin, Anthony Bryant may be a backup and spot starter. But this also assumes that Maake can fuly recover from the achellies injury, no small feat for a 350 pounder.
Also playing Carriker at nose is a joke. The guy was a qualified DT in college at a major Big 12 school. So he has certain size and obvious ability but not nearly enough size to anchor the middle. It would also decrease his ability to use his speed which he was know for coming out of college. But after his injuries he mave have changed approach and tried to add more mass.
Cannot be happy about this situation. Kedric might be the fourth NT that Shanny was alluding to that arent listed as NT's in the post.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 17, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins keep Haynesworth, then I suggest changing his jersey number from 92 to 0 and giving him a pointy new hat to sit alone at the end of the bench...

Posted by: siris | June 17, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse


@ brownwood26

Another Redskin fan in denial. This is just another chapter of the ongoing story of $nyder, and his ownership of the Redskins.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

@ged0386


sjakemuzik wrote:
Typical, modern, black athlete.

ged0386 wrote:
Whats wrong? were you teased by the black jocks in high school. Thats usually the case with white guys who as grown men have a grudge against black guys. They were bussed to the black neighborhood schools and got beat up by the black kids. And they cant let it go. Even as adults.


sjakemuzik wrote:
And as an African American male, I can say whatever I want about the young black generation. The majority of them are spoiled and don't wanna honor their commitments.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ged0386

Don't you owe sjakemuzik and all white adult males an apology? It's time you grow up ged0386.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 10:10 AM |

And as a free American I can say anything about anyone that I want. And I'll say this about you ged, get one. You are an ass of the highest order.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

when exactly did Dan Snyder no longer become the face of this organization?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 9:59 AM


The minute he hired a credible GM and a proven HC.

And again when Donovan McNabb held up the #5 in burgundy and gold.

He was the face of the team because nobody else had more say or more involvement in the football operation. That's no longer the case.

So let me fix my statement a bit...he's the face of the organization, just not the face of the TEAM.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I mean, in a sense, what owner ISN'T the face of the organization?

That's what they're supposed to be, and the HC/Franchise Player should be the face of the team. We've just been subjugated to "NFL Bizarro World" b/c of DS's BS the past 10+ years.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Brown,
Snyder acted like he was taking a backseat the Martyball... before he fired him. He deferred to Spurrier. I'm convinced he was ultimately deferential to Gibbs, and would have been loathe to fire him. Now he's just months removed from the Zorn debacle. And you guys are really convinced things are that different? Things always look great for a new regime before the first game is coached.

Let's see what happens after a losing season or two, things might start looking a little more familiar to you.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

hessone, I'm not sure if you posted that on purpose...I mean, unless you're trying to start a race riot on the blog I don't get what that has to do with anything...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

His agent had the gall to tell him to take the money AND sit. Trust me, his agent is not smart. Haynesworth's public image may never recover from this.
Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2010 9:50 AM

Interesting...this could all be just atrocious advice from his agent. Too often we assume the player is thinking his actions thru when most of the time they're just following advice of the agents.

Even if you think that's a bunch of crap and it's all AH, it would give AH a nice public "out" if he canned his agent and blamed it all on him.

A stretch? Yes. A possibility? Well, anything is possible, right?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 17, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

http://www.a3athletics.com/index.php

Also that's the link to the agency that Chad Speck heads up. his personal clients only seem to be Kelley Washington AH and rookie Eric Berry(am now glad we didnt take him). At the end of all this I really hope this dude and his company never hear from our organization again. He is the personal advisor in all of this. With different advice maybe all this goes down differently.

it has email phone and fax in the contact section if angry thoughts want to be directed somewhere.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 17, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The only way he gives up aportion of the $$ is if he's able to sucker another team into making up the difference by redoing his current contract.

Posted by: TWISI | June 17, 2010 10:05 AM

The likeliest scenario is that he will show up for training camp like he stated yesterday that he would. He's made a commitment and he's gonna have to follow through. He just HOPES that the Redskins will have "better luck" than his agent in finding a trade that would satisfy both teams. That's not gonna happen now for obvious reasons.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Alan, I get being a punch-drunk fan...really I do. But this whole situation feels a lot different. I know Vinny got fired under Marty, but Marty was the one to fire him, not Danny. The fact that Vinny got canned and THEN the new regime was setup means it's a different scenario altogether.

So IMO, whether this new regime works out or not is independent of Dan Snyder since it's no longer Snyder pulling the strings. Time will tell if he can stay in the shadows for the long run but I believe the guys we have in power now won't stand for him going back to his old tricks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

michaelstar - you are wrong. The players are starting to talk about his attitude from last year. They dont like him, trust him, or want to play with him. They see him for what he is. He has not earned the right to wear the burgundy and gold. If he is as out of shape as last year, then he is no good for anything, anyway. He is not a good example of what the coaches want to put on the field. When you need to step up and take it to another level, he cant get to the base level. He is cancer. Hope he gets more cancer, like lung, and skin, to go along with his brain cancer.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | June 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Interesting...this could all be just atrocious advice from his agent. Too often we assume the player is thinking his actions thru when most of the time they're just following advice of the agents.

Even if you think that's a bunch of crap and it's all AH, it would give AH a nice public "out" if he canned his agent and blamed it all on him.

A stretch? Yes. A possibility? Well, anything is possible, right?


Posted by: stevek20147 | June 17, 2010 10:20 AM

The funny thing about agents is that they work for the client, not the other way around. It would be one thing if AH was angling to get a new deal, but he's already got his money. All he has to do is show up and earn it and he's not.

There's literally NO viable excuse for this. AH is a devout turd...there is absolutely NO other way to spin this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

redcherokee

"He just HOPES that the Redskins will have "better luck" than his agent in finding a trade that would satisfy both teams."

A part of the problem with a trade is that AH only wants to go to 4-3 teams.

And that's a small market in today's NFL.

Then, there's the thorny issue of the high value the skins' FO wants in return.

But who's gonna give of value for an obvious toad who might not show up and be a team player?

And when you take into account AH wants the money, and can't get traded in a diminished market, you have the think he'll be a redskin this Fall.

He'll take the fines for missing the June minicamps in stride and show up in July not wanting to be held in breach of contract.

All of this is nothing but the portrait of the arrogant player as a dumb fool.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The only way he gives up aportion of the $$ is if he's able to sucker another team into making up the difference by redoing his current contract.

Posted by: TWISI | June 17, 2010 10:05 AM
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He's going to give up a lot of it once Snyder's lawyers are finished with he and his agent. Think about how this will sound to a judge: "So, I couldn't find any teams that wanted to trade for my fat lazy butt, so I figured I'd agree to play, take the bonus money but then never show up."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: the Redksins still have all the power.

At the end of the day, he still has to report to training camp or he loses daily checks. If he holds out through the season, he loses game checks. Snyder has already cut him his $21 million bonus, and he's already collected $32 million total. That's a sunk cost. The rest of his salary for the next three years is pennies compared to that. If Snyder/Shanahan really wanted to, he could shun him for the next three years a la Stephon Marbury with Knicks, which would essentially demolish his career from here on out. Haynesworth would never see more than a minimum contract again, even if he was cut at the 4 year mark. Three years of inactivity, of never playing or dressing, and Haynesworth would be done. He'll still be rich, but his entire legacy would be shot, and he sure as hell wouldn't get his way.

It would be a ruthless move on Snyder's part. And part of me wishes he does it. Teach this d-bag, and every other prima donna d-bag athlete that may wish to follow in his footsteps, a lesson he'll never forget.

Posted by: psps23 | June 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I think Fat Lazy Albert needs to prey a lot. Dan,Allen and Shanahan?? He mess up with wrong dudes!! They will come right at him sooner or later...it's going to be interesting story!

Posted by: skinsMill | June 17, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I feel that Albert just wants to steal some money from the team. If he was given the chance to arrange a trade before April and was told if he accepted the 21 mil. that he was expected to play def line. Now he does not want to meet his reponsibilty for the 21 mil. that is stealing! Everyone else from last year team is at OTAs trying to improve from last year. Yet the guy making the most money and playing the least does not want to play good luck on finding another team that will pay you top dollar for 65% output!

Posted by: jpowell4 | June 17, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

His agent had the gall to tell him to take the money AND sit. Trust me, his agent is not smart. Haynesworth's public image may never recover from this.
Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2010 9:50 AM

Interesting...this could all be just atrocious advice from his agent. Too often we assume the player is thinking his actions thru when most of the time they're just following advice of the agents.

Even if you think that's a bunch of crap and it's all AH, it would give AH a nice public "out" if he canned his agent and blamed it all on him.

A stretch? Yes. A possibility? Well, anything is possible, right?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 17, 2010 10:20 AM
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Sure, pigs could fly, too, but until Big Al suddenly sprouts those wings, I'm thinking this is all on Big Al.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

He is cancer. Hope he gets more cancer, like lung, and skin, to go along with his brain cancer.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | June 17, 2010 10:31 AM


Wow dude...that's almost as bad as the "f*ck Vinny with an AIDS dick" comment from last year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:31 AM

No doubt, couldn't agree more. Just thought he could use that angle to get out of this mess if he wanted.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 17, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is not running the show anymore.

If that was the case then we would have either Antrel Rolle or Dansby on the team right now, maybe even Brandon Marshall.

Bruce Allen is calling the shots here.

And if it comes down to a legal battle over 21 million, I think the fat stripper f*cker is way overmatched against the billionaire Jew and Bruce Bruce.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I still think the team cuts him long before it gets to that. If we get to July with him still on the roster, I'll be shocked.

And didn't Shanahan or somebody with the organization say yesterday that there would be a big Haynesworth announcement coming? Or did I misread that?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Indeed, I am a punch drunk fan. I look at the schedule for the year, and I seriously doubt Snyder's going to be able to contain himself if this team gets blasted early, which seems likely.

The probability is fairly high that McNabb will take a solid beating early on. And let's be honest--fans are putting a WORLD of expectations on McNabb and offensive scheming.

McNabb, and playcalling, are expected to compensate for sub-par receievers, a sub-par O-line, and a question mark running game.

Will Snyder be patient if the most likely scenario plays out rather than the most optimistic?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

I didn't throw the first stone. These folks that make it a point to raise the race card need to be exposed as much as racist themselves.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

nice

Posted by: skinswest | June 17, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

From Haynesworth's view, he has 2 choices-

1- Keep the money and ruin his career.

2- Give up the money ONLY if other team is willing pay the same amount and save his career.

Our view-

1- Keep the money and forever ruin your public image AND your career only if you don't show up.

2- Give up the money and save whatever dignity you have left.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

McNabb, and playcalling, are expected to compensate for sub-par receievers, a sub-par O-line, and a question mark running game.

Will Snyder be patient if the most likely scenario plays out rather than the most optimistic?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Alan, in all fairness Mike Shanahan has never had a question mark running game.

We will run the ball very well this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynsworth is representative of everything that was wrong about the Skins under Snyder/Cerrato: overpaid, overrated, overweight and lazy. Fortunately, there wouldnt be this kind of contract under Snyder/Allen/Shanahan and I doubt we'll ever see a spectacle quite like this again. Trading him would be a great idea, except who could possibly want him or his attitude? Where in the hell can you find a guy that you give 100 million bucks to play, any position, and he won't? The Albert Haynsworth I watched last season, dogging it at every turn, was going to take the bonus and never play again if he didn't have to. I never thought he was all that good to begin with, much less worth 100 mil. He's proven me right. I say, stop thinking about him and hope we never see him again. Its time to make this organization right, and having him on this team won't accomplish that.

Posted by: ronniereyes | June 17, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Moe, I still think the team cuts him long before it gets to that. If we get to July with him still on the roster, I'll be shocked."

I don't think there's a shot in hell Snyder allows Haynesworth to collect $32 million from him then release Haynesworth into the open market to a team of his choosing.

Snyder will do everything in his power to ruin Haynesworth if AH doesn't come to play. Only other viable options are if Haynesworth pays back the money or if Haynesworth somehow generates a ridiculous trade in return.

Posted by: psps23 | June 17, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The probability is fairly high that McNabb will take a solid beating early on. And let's be honest--fans are putting a WORLD of expectations on McNabb and offensive scheming.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 10:43 AM


And those fans are crazy.

It's one thing to HOPE this is a playoff team or even a SB team. To EXPECT it is sheer lunacy, IMO.

New FO, new coach, new offense/defense, new QB, total roster overhaul. To expect this to gel in one summer is asking a lot. Like I've said here, if we get to 8 wins I'll take that as a win for 2010.

Part of BA's job has to be endearing himself to the owner. If his bloodlines don't buy him the kinda time he needs, his ability to smooth talk Danny will.

So don't compare this situation to Marty...we all know that dude isn't exactly synonymous with smooth talking.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Well fat Albert, just in case you have played you last NFL game in 2009, because no other NFL team may want you. Let's think about what other jobs would suit you:
1. Michelin Tire Mascot
2. Pillsbury dough boy
3. Tackling dummy
4. Club bouncer
You have just hurt every future NFL free agent's chances of getting a huge bonus and those bonuses will have plenty of clauses to protect the teams. Good luck fat boy

Posted by: kingpenn1 | June 17, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think its time we gave Snyder a break. I dont like him personally, although I never met him. He has run up the price on everything. He needed to tax huge, the fans in order to pay for the Skins. He made bad mistakes in the way he fired Turner. He made a horrible mistake in firing Schottenheimer. He made a bad hire with Spurrier, who also pulled an AH. He brought back Gibbs who has been ill and wasn't prepared for the modern game. He promoted Zorn, probably hoping it to be a band aid to get Cowher. At last he has hired a coach with credentials, along with Schottenheimer, who can create a team. We need to start over and give ownership one more chance. He spent his money to improve the team. Other owners dont spend this kind of money to give the fans a chance at the championship. Snyder is a jerk, but he tried and doesn't have the ability in football that he has in making money. Haynesworth will probably prevent us from getting another player like him such as T.O.. DeAngelo Hall will be the next loser to show his colors, for he isnt worth what we paid him either, and seems to have the "keeping it real" mentality. No clubhouse lawyer needed here, there is no defending Fat Alberts actions. A guy like Theisman (big head and ego) played his @ss off to make the team. He punted, returned punts, wrote books on quarterbacking, and competed with Kilmer and Jurgenson just to get a chance to play. That is motivation, perseverance personified. AH will never understand, he is incapable. You can lecture till you're blue in the face. He's never gonna get it!

Posted by: 1bmffwb | June 17, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

And when you take into account AH wants the money, and can't get traded in a diminished market, you have the think he'll be a redskin this Fall.

He'll take the fines for missing the June minicamps in stride and show up in July not wanting to be held in breach of contract.

All of this is nothing but the portrait of the arrogant player as a dumb fool.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse
That's the way I see it going down, Moe. My advice is...AH ITA! The ball is in his court...let's see how he wants to play it.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 17, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Does he still gets fined for 3 days of missed mini camp even though they cut it down to 2 days?

Posted by: Stu27 | June 17, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

psp, agreed 1000 percent, if Snyder is anything, he's vindictive, and you know he's gonna want a LOT of money back, or he's gonna try and ruin Al.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@brownwood26

I didn't throw the first stone. These folks that make it a point to raise the race card need to be exposed as much as racist themselves.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 10:44 AM |

Look man, I applaud your effort and I'm right with you. Heck, I even jumped on the guy. But Browny's right, the guy pretty much outted himself as a rascist with his comment and to rehash is to draw others in. I shoulda left it alone too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

It is all about money. He is already paid, don't forget about that. Then he forces the Skins into an impossible situation where they are forced to trade him, or release him. Then he works a new contract in order to show up. Since he already has millions from the Skins, he gets some more from another team. It would be most interesting to know what condition he is in. If he is in great shape, or is he out of shape.

Posted by: skins50 | June 17, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Does he still gets fined for 3 days of missed mini camp even though they cut it down to 2 days?

Posted by: Stu27 | June 17, 2010 11:02 AM |

Doesn't matter, it's $10,000 for the whole camp, not per day.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ronniereyes | June 17, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Forget the $100 mil, and focus on the guaranteed money. I'm going from memory, but I recall that 4 years and $48 mill were guaranteed, and $32 mil has been paid. So if a team traded for AHH now, they would owe him $16 mil for 3 years. That's a pretty good deal. That's why Skins are expecting good compensation or a repayment of most of $21 mil bonus.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 17, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood26 - The guy has no class. I don't like to see good things happen to guys with no class. Thieves, bullies, troublemakers, etc. deserve to pay for their atrocities. The saying goes "He'll get his in the end". I don't wish violence on him from fans, I just hope he gets his just rewards.

This is nothing against you, I just hate rip-off artist and cry babies like AH.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | June 17, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Can we switch the subject...

CR22 hasn't signed yet....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I think its time we gave Snyder a break.

Why? His meddling has resulted in a decade of mediocrity and has turned what was once a proud and sucessful franchise, and unifying force in our area, into a laughing-stock that an increasing number of fans no longer want to be associated with. Yes, he spends his money, but results are what counts, and in that area he has come up woefully short.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 17, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Your Mom?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | June 17, 2010 10:36 AM

Not you too. So they use up a precious roster spot and salary cap space to get back at Haynesworth?

On another note: Shanahan is dreaming if he thinks Carriker can play NT for more than a play or two. You all do realize they haven't put on pads right? I can see how some of you are swallowing what he's putting out but I have to believe they were counting on AH to play nose. They miscalculated the level of his petulance. These other dudes don't inspire any confidence. Are we really counting on a guy coming off of an Achilles injury to hold down that spot. Like I said yesterday, they're changing schemes without the personnel in place to make it happen.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"In all honesty Maake is the only qualified nose tackle with multi years of starting productivity. He was considered by many to be an above average NT for Carolina, with his size obv great against the run. After that its gets pretty thin, Anthony Bryant may be a backup and spot starter. But this also assumes that Maake can fuly recover from the achellies injury, no small feat for a 350 pounder.
Also playing Carriker at nose is a joke. The guy was a qualified DT in college at a major Big 12 school. So he has certain size and obvious ability but not nearly enough size to anchor the middle. It would also decrease his ability to use his speed which he was know for coming out of college. But after his injuries he mave have changed approach and tried to add more mass."posted by Stu27

Can't agree. Carriker played very effectively in St Louis when forced to play out of position at the nose. Maake when healthy is better, but far from the only option the Skins have.

Probably helps to stop thinking of the NT as a huge man. When Maake left Baltimore, Ray Lewis was so upset he practically blackmailed the club into drafting massive Haloti Ngata. But last season, the best option on the Ravens was the returning-from-injury Kelly Gregg, who logged 63 tackles and 3 sacks. Gregg is generously listed at 6' and 315. Likewise, Dallas' very effective d-line was led by Jay Ratliff, a former backup who went to the Pro Bowl as a NT at 300 lbs.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, maybe this is actually a plot... Shanny wants to really put an end once and for all to Snyder's ways by creating public humiliation for Snyderatto, and Shanny's already got Plan B in place... So he acts like a control freak when he talks to Mr. Haynesworth, to make Haynesworthless overreact...

Posted by: SonofNero

an interesting angle ... and no so far fetched.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

So they use up a precious roster spot and salary cap space to get back at Haynesworth?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:23 AM


Salary cap space is moot since there's, you know, NO salary cap this year.

Again...if AH was some precious commodity that no one could dare live without, then A) the Titans would have never let this guy go, B) the Skins wouldn't have been 4 games worse with him on the roster last year, and C) the Eagles would have snatched him up too quick when we offered him up in the McNabb trade, giggling the whole time. Since none of these scenarios are true, can you just wake up the reality that WE DON'T NEED THIS GUY???

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter now where His Fatness plays, DE, NT, or even QB - he's burned the bridge with Shanahan, his teammates, and the fans. Can't envision any scenario keeping that worthless POS on the team.

Posted by: bones21 | June 17, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Kemo has been playing in a 4-3 the last few years in Carolina so that makes most of what you're saying moot.

The Ravens build their lines constantly, so every once in a while, they'll let a good player go because they've already a ton of good lineman. Casey Rabach is a fine example of that...he's been the starter here for years and he was a backup in Baltimore.

Same with Kemo...dude was playing behind Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata, two really good players. Just because he wasn't better than those two at the time, doesn't mean he's not good at all.

I'm not saying the guy is gonna be All-Pro, but he's certainly not a bum.

Posted by: brownwood26

Read my post. I said he has been an average DT which is referring to the position he has been playing in a 4-3 defense. Ngata wasnt on the team yet. I think the Maake signing would be great if he were a backup. It is concerning that he is being counted on as a starter.

In the 3-4 if you do not have a dominant NT and another very good big DE you get killed in the running game.

I do like the Carriker pickup at one of the DE spots. Losing Haynesworth as a DE or NT is more devastating in the 3-4 than it would be in the 4-3.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

And everybody can stop freaking out about Carriker at NT...dude is gonna take that LDE spot and lock it down, so let's just get off the ledge.

Your starting D-line will look like this:

LDE-Carriker
NT-Kemo
RDE-Daniels


Personally, I don't think that's a bad line.

It's the LBs not named Orakpo or Fletcher I'm worried about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 11:32 AM |

Before you try to clown it would help if you read the post to which I was responding smart guy. It was about holding Haynesworth beyond this season to ruin his career.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth's public image may never recover from this."

This is a guy who permanently crippled a guy in an auto wreck caused by his reckless driving and intentionally raked his cleats across the face of another player after ripping his helmet off. And now he has Snyder's 32 mil. in his pocket. Do you really think he cares what his public image is?

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 17, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I do like the Carriker pickup at one of the DE spots. Losing Haynesworth as a DE or NT is more devastating in the 3-4 than it would be in the 4-3.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

we gave up practically nothing for Carricker. He prob ends up being our best dline acquisition this offseason. Im not even gonna touch the second half of that statement other then to say that the best scenario for the skins would have been to have AH play 4-3 end.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 17, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Read my post. I said he has been an average DT which is referring to the position he has been playing in a 4-3 defense. Ngata wasnt on the team yet. I think the Maake signing would be great if he were a backup. It is concerning that he is being counted on as a starter.

In the 3-4 if you do not have a dominant NT and another very good big DE you get killed in the running game.

I do like the Carriker pickup at one of the DE spots. Losing Haynesworth as a DE or NT is more devastating in the 3-4 than it would be in the 4-3.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 11:35 AM


Again...you're analyzing Kemo's play in a 4-3 and trying to apply that to a 3-4...playing DT is NOT the same as playing NT. From everything I've heard, Kemo is better suited to be a NT than he is a 4-3 DT.

So while he's a marginal 4-3 DT (which I agree with), he's not playing that here...he's playing NT.

And as of today, he's the best NT on the roster. For 2010, I'm comfortable with him in that spot. Now, if he's still the starter here in 2012 THEN we need to worry. But as a one or two year stopgap, I think it's easier to do worse than Kemo than better.

So let's not sell our souls to the devil to keep an ill-tempered, me-first malcontent just because Kemo's name isn't as big as his body.

What folks up here need to remember is that this roster is a work in progress. We're not gonna fill every hole this offseason. There's another deep draft coming in 2011 and the FA class of 2011 is slated to be epic. Let's just stay the course and see what happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

A bunch of posts have suggested something I mentioned yesterday -- that the 3-4 issue is really a red herring. At the bottom of all this is something else.

One minor piece that bothers me is that Albert claims that he was lied to. Wellllll ... who exactly lied to him? Since he signed his contract, everyone who he'd have spoken with prior to signing a contract is different, save one ... Snyder. So NONE of the current staff lied to him about what to expect.

Take that one more step. Don't you think Albert (and a lot of others) would be complaining if they had returned the same coaches and mgmt from last year's debacle?

I guess the reason that accusation ticks me off is that is such a "lose-lose" thing. Its like Albert doesn't care if he harms himself, as long as he harms the team that just paid him $32million for 1 season.

Not sure what is at the bottom of it. For today, put me in the camp of 'keep Albert'. The trade value isn't there, and if he somehow comes to his senses, he still can be a difference maker, this season or next. With all the sunk cost, he's not that expensive to keep around. If we keep him in 2011, he'll NEED to have a big year to get his next payday.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Alan, in all fairness Mike Shanahan has never had a question mark running game.

We will run the ball very well this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Puff puff give. The running game will be great. Eventually! Certainly not this year and probably not next. This could be the worst Oline in all of football. Not even the briliance of Shanahan can overcome that. His best Olines were when he had Alex Gibbs as the coach. He also has typically done this with young rbs not retreads. It will be hard to open up the field if some receivers don't step up.

I love his scheme and expect good things, just down the road.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Alan, in all fairness Mike Shanahan has never had a question mark running game.

We will run the ball very well this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Puff puff give. The running game will be great. Eventually! Certainly not this year and probably not next. This could be the worst Oline in all of football. Not even the briliance of Shanahan can overcome that. His best Olines were when he had Alex Gibbs as the coach. He also has typically done this with young rbs not retreads. It will be hard to open up the field if some receivers don't step up.

I love his scheme and expect good things, just down the road.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


@scampbell1975

This is America camp,no need to back track or apologize. And you have the right to voice your opinion. If we are adults about this matter,or any other topic, then we should feel free to discuss this and anything else in a reasonable manner. ged0386 has an opportunity to respond and hasn't. Let fact speak for itself.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Maake will be fine. The defense will be fine. Our LB's will be fine. The offense will be fine. The Redskins will be fine.

I'm just stoked to see something horrible happen to this fat a-hole.

You really have to be a jerk for London to call you out.

On another note, I never knew how great a LB he really was until he suited up for us in 07. When I watched him closely those first few games I thought, "this is the greatest LB I've ever seen."

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2010 11:29 AM

Why was Ray upset? Kemo only started 4 games in 3 yrs in B'more. Playing in the 4-3 in Carolina he had 1 sack in 4 seasons. He's not exactly a playmaker like the Hampton and Ratliff or even Gregg (who started ahead of him). Fletcher is a good player but I don't believe he still has the speed to make plays, especially in the backfield. Wilson and Orakpo are the only legit 3-4 LBs the Skins got. The D is going to take a big step back this year. Mark my words.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth's public image may never recover from this."

This is a guy who permanently crippled a guy in an auto wreck caused by his reckless driving and intentionally raked his cleats across the face of another player after ripping his helmet off. And now he has Snyder's 32 mil. in his pocket. Do you really think he cares what his public image is?

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 17, 2010 11:41 AM |

Let's not forget he's a dude that likes to shplack the filths bareback and then not pay to take care of the situation either in a responsible or irresponsible way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975

This is America camp,no need to back track or apologize. And you have the right to voice your opinion. If we are adults about this matter,or any other topic, then we should feel free to discuss this and anything else in a reasonable manner. ged0386 has an opportunity to respond and hasn't. Let fact speak for itself.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 11:49 AM

Not backtracking or apologizing. I'm with ya 100%. Just saying that i have come to realize that there are better and more effective places to deal with tools like this. This blog can get up in arms and bent out of shape in a hurry and trolls like him just light the fire and then leave the scene.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

And everybody can stop freaking out about Carriker at NT...dude is gonna take that LDE spot and lock it down, so let's just get off the ledge.

Your starting D-line will look like this:

LDE-Carriker
NT-Kemo
RDE-Daniels

Personally, I don't think that's a bad line.

It's the LBs not named Orakpo or Fletcher I'm worried about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 11:37 AM
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I don't think it's a bad line, either. As far as the linebackers, I think we are in for some surprises. McIntosh has all but solidified the other inside backer spot, and I am thinking Lorenzo Alexander might take the other outside spot - especially if AC gets traded. Although I am little worried about Alexander in pass coverage, I think Haslett probably has a little something for that. I love a big guy on the outside who can disrupt sweeps and put the hurt on those off tackle runs the Giants are famous for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

if he somehow comes to his senses, he still can be a difference maker, this season or next.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM


Again...if this guy were capable of this level of rational thought, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That's kinda like saying "let's not put Madoff in jail...you know, in case he comes to his senses..."

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Here's how a Hall of Fame NFL coach once dealt with a coloful egomanical personality (from Wiki). The rest, as they say, is history:

John Riggins sat out the 1980 season and didn't rejoin the Redskins until 1981, when new Washington head coach Joe Gibbs traveled to Kansas to make a peace offering.
"He had a camouflage outfit on", Gibbs recalled.
“ He had been hunting, him and a buddy. He had a beer can in his hand. It was 10 o'clock in the morning and he's meeting his coach for the first time and I'm thinking [sarcastically], 'This guy really impresses me.' But I went in there, and halfway through the conversation he says, 'You need to get me back there. I'll make you famous.
I thought to myself, 'Oh, my God, he's an egomaniac.' I thought, 'I'll get him back and then I'll trade him. I'm not putting up with a fruitcake.' So I fly back to Washington, and two days later he calls me. He says, 'Joe, I made up my mind, and I'm going to play next season.' I thought it was great. I've got him back, and I'll trade that sucker. But then he says, 'There's only one thing I want in my contract.' I ask what it was. He says, 'A no-trade clause.


Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Not you too. So they use up a precious roster spot and salary cap space to get back at Haynesworth?"

I said only part of me wishes that comes to fruition. Obviously the best interest of the team is either to get him to play for real or to take whatever value we can in a trade.

However, in no way do I think Snyder just lets this pass and releases Haynesworth. Football aside, Haynesworth is almost practicing extortion against Snyder. For $32 million, this will be about more than the Redskins for big Dan.

Posted by: psps23 | June 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Puff puff give. The running game will be great. Eventually! Certainly not this year and probably not next. This could be the worst Oline in all of football. Not even the briliance of Shanahan can overcome that. His best Olines were when he had Alex Gibbs as the coach. He also has typically done this with young rbs not retreads. It will be hard to open up the field if some receivers don't step up.

I love his scheme and expect good things, just down the road.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Quit hogging the blunt dude. Lie I was saying Shanahan has never had a question mark running game, I fully expect it to be an exclamation point running game this year. Definitely top 10 in the league.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

Fletcher is one of $nyder's best decisions that he made as owner. He goes all out all the time and is someone kids can truely look up to.

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Albert, Albert, Albert...

You low life piece of garbage. Take the money and run and hide. At least you can afford a couple of dopes to wipe your fat ass when you crap yourself several times a day. You sure can't reach back there.

One of the odd benefits of your attitude is the fact that you make T.O look like a good team mate. At least when he took the money he gave an all out effort.

You suck...

Posted by: oldskin71 | June 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Albert, Albert, Albert...

You low life piece of garbage. Take the money and run and hide. At least you can afford a couple of dopes to wipe your fat ass when you crap yourself several times a day. You sure can't reach back there.

One of the odd benefits of your attitude is the fact that you make T.O look like a good team mate. At least when he took the money he gave an all out effort.

You suck...

Posted by: oldskin71 | June 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone on the Redskins wants Haynesworth back at this point. It's one thing to disagree with the coach/mmgt, but completely another to let your teammates down. He's a selfish player and would not have been happy in any defensive scheme that the Skins ran unless it allowed him to free lance and rush the passer at will. It's going to be an expensive lesson for Danny Boy to learn, but the best thing to do is release him if a trade can't be worked out. The checks have been written and cashed, so it's unlikely the Redskins will get back anything from Haynesworth.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


@scampbell1975

I understand your position and respect your comments. Don't forget what ole broken hearted hessone says about $nyder:

BOYCOTT-BOYCOTT-BOYCOTT $NYDER!!!

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone on the Redskins wants Haynesworth back at this point. It's one thing to disagree with the coach/mmgt, but completely another to let your teammates down. He's a selfish player and would not have been happy in any defensive scheme that the Skins ran unless it allowed him to free lance and rush the passer at will. It's going to be an expensive lesson for Danny Boy to learn, but the best thing to do is release him if a trade can't be worked out. The checks have been written and cashed, so it's unlikely the Redskins will get back anything from Haynesworth.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This is the biggest of the Cerrato mistakes that needs to be rectified. The team needs to get what they can for him and say goodbye.

The posts that say football is a team game and one plays for the team, not oneself are spot on.

The 'Skins will be a better team without him.

By the way, I agree with going after him to see what can be recovered. It a minimum, he'll have to pay legal fees.

What a disaster!!!!!!

Posted by: pjente | June 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure a mound of turf can be just as or even more effective than Butterworth at nose tackle.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | June 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

For all that Fat Albert has taken $32 million for a dozen games, lets be fair. $32mil doesn't go as far as it used to. After all, he's got people to pay:

1. The tax man
2. Sued by the ex, $$ for the kids
3. Sued by the guy he paralyzed
4. Sued by the Redskins
5. His agent gets a cut
6. Big checks to his lawyers
7. The stripper/baby Momma

With all these folks wanting a piece of Albert, its amazing he has any $$ left over for donuts

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The D is going to take a big step back this year. Mark my words.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:51 AM
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I disagree. I think this "D" will get more sacks and more turnovers than last year's team. They might not be ranked as high, but I think the turnovers will speak volumes.

If you look at last year's players and plug them one-for-one into a 3-4, it doesn't look so great. That's not how it is going down, though. Look at last year's corners playing ten yards off defenders and one lone safety playing deep protect, and you start to realize there is an opportunity for improvement here. Then look at how predictable the pass rush had become and you start to see that a change in scheme is going to, at the very least, add another dimension to the pass rush. I am not saying there won't be some learning experiences, but this will be a much more dynamic defense than in years past.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

if he somehow comes to his senses, he still can be a difference maker, this season or next.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 11:48 AM


Again...if this guy were capable of this level of rational thought, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That's kinda like saying "let's not put Madoff in jail...you know, in case he comes to his senses..."

Posted by: brownwood26

Disagree.

Q: If you can have Albert in any year, what year would you want it to be?
A: The last year of his contract

That's 2011. By my estimates, he's gonna be a lot poorer and NEED a payday in 2012. So I keep him around because I can't get much for him now and he'll have 1 year where he busts his fat a$$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY WHY!!!!!!????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Again...you're analyzing Kemo's play in a 4-3 and trying to apply that to a 3-4...playing DT is NOT the same as playing NT. From everything I've heard, Kemo is better suited to be a NT than he is a 4-3 DT.

So while he's a marginal 4-3 DT (which I agree with), he's not playing that here...he's playing NT.

And as of today, he's the best NT on the roster. For 2010, I'm comfortable with him in that spot. Now, if he's still the starter here in 2012 THEN we need to worry. But as a one or two year stopgap, I think it's easier to do worse than Kemo than better.

So let's not sell our souls to the devil to keep an ill-tempered, me-first malcontent just because Kemo's name isn't as big as his body.

What folks up here need to remember is that this roster is a work in progress. We're not gonna fill every hole this offseason. There's another deep draft coming in 2011 and the FA class of 2011 is slated to be epic. Let's just stay the course and see what happens.

Posted by: brownwood26

My apologies. Did not realize you were saying he would be a better NT than DT. Not sure that I agree. He definitely has the size but not sure how he is going to do occupying the guard and center. Also very concerned about how his Achilles holds up I liked him as a back up.

By no means do I think they should keep Fat Al. Just pointing out that the defensive potential goes way down without him. In the right frame of mind Fat Al would have made everyone in the front 7 better as he would have required double teams.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 17, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM
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Well, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's not meeting with the legal team to discuss his perspective on the Haynesworth contract. Dan's legal boys are definitely going after the big guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Some of you may remember that I was pretty vocal that the situation with Albert was set-up by a stupid FO that was deceptive in what they promised regarding his role on the team, and I still feel they made mistakes - but taking the money and then quiting like that - that's BS! He's just as big a liar as Vinny and ol' Danny Boy.

What a shame.

Glad the Vinny/Snyder as GM disastrophy is over, be it with a very loud thud.

Posted by: edvar | June 17, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY WHY!!!!!!????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse |

I guess if you're gonna have a clusterfk, you really do need Vinny

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM

Just because Vinny's no longer on the payroll, don't kid yourself into thinking his friendship with Snyder is over.

You don't have to be a conspiriacy theorist to see the high probability that Snyder still spends time on the phone with his buddy Vinny talking football. They're friends. And Vinny will retain some influence, to whatever degree, over what happens with this franchise. Believe that.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY WHY!!!!!!????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:10 PM |

Hopefully putting on a blindfold and smoking his last cigarette.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think there's a rumor of a basketball game being played tonight..
Naw, Fat Albert is one baggage loaded mutha, too much of a distraction for Shanahan's first year of Redskin Field Marshalship, he's gotta go , weather by meathook or crook...

"But for now, America's oldest lamest rapper continues to molder in the grave.

Posted by: MistaMoe |"

Tupac, "lamest rapper"...This from a "black man" that said George Will talks "facts" (for all we know with the Exxon/Mobil/CIA Post, Moe's probably one of three or four white spindoctors on this board working different handles)..

Posted by: frak | June 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Vinny will fix it.

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Q: If you can have Albert in any year, what year would you want it to be?
A: The last year of his contract

That's 2011. By my estimates, he's gonna be a lot poorer and NEED a payday in 2012. So I keep him around because I can't get much for him now and he'll have 1 year where he busts his fat a$$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 12:09 PM


So you want him to underperform and compromise both team unity AND Shanahan's credibility on the off chance that he shows up dominant in two years???

You're on your own there, dude.

Love ya Zeke, but that's some Cerrato-type sh*t right there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:08 PM

Just because Vinny's no longer on the payroll, don't kid yourself into thinking his friendship with Snyder is over.

You don't have to be a conspiriacy theorist to see the high probability that Snyder still spends time on the phone with his buddy Vinny talking football. They're friends. And Vinny will retain some influence, to whatever degree, over what happens with this franchise. Believe that.


Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I know. My apologies, I was blinded with complete unfounded rage at what I was hearing over the radio.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

So does anyone know if the 9 million “guaranteed” to AH for the next 2 seasons is really guaranteed? Or is it payable only in the event that he is on the roster? Don’t think I have heard that clarified. For all those in favor of keeping him on the roster and letting him “waste away” or whatever, I don’t think that they will do this if they can get out of paying him yet another 9 million to do nothing. Especially if there is a salary cap in 2011, and Shanny apparently likes to maximize his roster space. They could still try to trade him, but there is still that scenario where he actually comes to camp. At that point the question will be whether or not he’s there to play or be a cancer and force the Skins’ hand to trade him for whatever they can or just cut him outright. Hopefully they wouldn’t owe him his 2010 and 2011 base salaries at that point.

And I don’t actually think that AH is going to have any lawyer fees to pay at all. He’s in the union, and they will represent his case, and I would imagine that they have good lawyers.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to be a conspiriacy theorist to see the high probability that Snyder still spends time on the phone with his buddy Vinny talking football. They're friends. And Vinny will retain some influence, to whatever degree, over what happens with this franchise. Believe that.


Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 12:17 PM


Right...because it's been VINNY pulling Danny's strings all along.

C'mon son...punch drunk is one thing, but you're approaching ITA status with stuff like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Agent elaborates on 2009 promises made to Haynesworth
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2010 12:17 PM ET
A specific portion of the statement issued on Tuesday night by don't-wanna-be-Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth caused some to wonder about the manner in which his recruitment unfolded.

"When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future," Haynesworth said.

Given that widespread reports of Haynesworth's agreement to join the Redskins circulated in the early post-dawn hours of February 27, 2009, the first day of the new league year, some wondered whether Haynesworth essentially was admitting that the Redskins had met with him before the free agency period opened. In contrast, we wondered whether Haynesworth had actually conducted the meetings after re-creating his moment of infamy, with a pen serving as the cleat and a contract serving as Andre Gurode's forehead.

Agent Chad Speck has explained to us the manner in which the events transpired.

"Albert signed his contract after 5:00 pm on the first day of free agency," Speck told us via e-mail. "He met with the staff for a long period of time after arriving at Redskins Park that morning. The press conference actually started late for this reason. Our approach was my job was to negotiate the money (which occurred all night long and into the morning and during the day in Ashburn) and he would decide if the football made sense after visiting with the staff and ownership (which occurred over the phone that night and then most of the day in Ashburn). After all of this is when the contract was signed."

So there you have it -- Haynesworth had the ability (without tampering) to meet with team officials before signing the contract. And in those meetings he was "assured" that he would "have the freedom to play to my strengths."

Of course, Haynesworth and Speck wouldn't be able to enforce any such promises because they weren't reduced to writing. If, however, what they're saying is true, Haynesworth wouldn't be completely in the wrong for making it known that he has no desire to play nose tackle in a 3-4 defense.

That said, coach Mike Shanahan now claims that Haynesworth received an opportunity to leave the Redskins before accepting a $21 million bonus payment on April 1. We've got a feeling that we'll be hearing more about this specific contention from Haynesworth's camp eventually.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the Albert Haynesworth situation made me angry, but the idea that Vinny might be lurking around Redskin Park is terrifying.

"Get thee behind me, player personnel Satan!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: edvar

Glad the Vinny/Snyder as GM disastrophy is over, be it with a very loud thud.

Now if we can get $nyder to sell the team......


Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I hate the idea of cutting him or trading him. He needs to sit. Why should he be allowed to take this money, not fulfill his contract, and then go to another team that will just put MORE money into his pocket. Just sit him. If he shows up, make him practice and play. If he doesn't, I’m sure the league has roster exemptions for clowns. But please, don't let him off the hook.

Posted by: manbrute | June 17, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Still waters run deep. Marvin Harrison caught driving wrong way down street and he was in posession of la pistola. He better not have kept the piece he allegedly used to gun that dude down in Philly because they are doing ballistics tests. They say the quiet ones are the ones you should fear most.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Given that widespread reports of Haynesworth's agreement to join the Redskins circulated in the early post-dawn hours of February 27, 2009, the first day of the new league year, some wondered whether Haynesworth essentially was admitting that the Redskins had met with him before the free agency period opened. In contrast, we wondered whether Haynesworth had actually conducted the meetings after re-creating his moment of infamy, with a pen serving as the cleat and a contract serving as Andre Gurode's forehead.
Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 12:28 PM

Glad to see that I wasn’t the only one with this theory yesterday……..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think anyone on the Redskins wants Haynesworth back at this point."

Players don't like to comment about other players contracts, it's kind of one of those "umentionable rules" between them.

Now you have MANY Redskins openly coming out and calling the guy "selfish," which I honestly never thought would happen.

But it is.

Fat AL is done in Washington, he's alienated everyone here. I can't see the guy playing for the black and maroon ever again. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

oh god, why did I just hear on ESPN 980 that Vinny Cerrato is at Redskins Park????????????

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse

Because Shanahan needs someone to b!tch at slap around for this mess.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, please tell me that you made that up, because are you BLEEPING kidding me....AH/Speck are gonna use the, "yeah but you promised" excuse....thats what they're going with??

the most galactically stupid team of idiots in history......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I was promised alot of things at my job....but sadly, many of those things never came to frutition....But I gotta still work, you know...Because situations change.....

This is an issue that will forever have a disconnect....Because he was handed a check for $21Mil and is complaining like my 2 yr old.....

But sadly, he doesn't give a crap about us...and if we keep him for the season, he'll steal another $5Mil from us.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

somewhere Vinny is saying..."boy the skins sure do have a mess on their hands" heh...heh..heh..heh..heh..heh....I'm glad I'm no longer the GM

Posted by: kingpenn1 | June 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Q: If you can have Albert in any year, what year would you want it to be?
A: The last year of his contract

That's 2011. By my estimates, he's gonna be a lot poorer and NEED a payday in 2012. So I keep him around because I can't get much for him now and he'll have 1 year where he busts his fat a$$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 12:09 PM


So you want him to underperform and compromise both team unity AND Shanahan's credibility on the off chance that he shows up dominant in two years???

You're on your own there, dude.

Love ya Zeke, but that's some Cerrato-type sh*t right there...

Posted by: brownwood26

At least I got my aircraft carrier

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

re cerrato at redskins park:
isn't he a media guy now? imagine him covering the AH debacle:

vinny: so, how are you going to handle this AH situation?

bruce allen: well, as you know, previous management put us in this position...etc...

(you get the point) hahaha

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

re cerrato at redskins park:
isn't he a media guy now? imagine him covering the AH debacle:

vinny: so, how are you going to handle this AH situation?

bruce allen: well, as you know, previous management put us in this position...etc...

(you get the point) hahaha

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 12:42 PM

Boy would that be funny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

scampbullsh*t- Charging mental illness makes great cover for the police state..Everyone with a brain has decphered you for the webbie or someone working with the webbie..."If for some reason your identity or mission should become compromised, the Secretary will of course deny all foreknowledge..."

Posted by: frak | June 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

brownie, I didn't say Vinny's pulling Snyder's strings, I said he has influence. And I think it's naive think otherwise.

Do you believe their friendship is over?

What do you think happens when a bunch of professionals--any profession be it medicine, law, or sports--get together on a golf course or racketball court or basketball court and talk shop?

There's nothing remotely extraordinary about anything I suggested.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Vinny is at practice??? I told y'all MoFos he was in on this ish....

Vinny was the sacrificial lamb to the fans....Shanny would have came here irregardless and been running the show. Allen was the 'Break in Case of Emergency' guy.

The Bingo guy was implanted by Shanny as well.

Much Ado About Nothing....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

re cerrato at redskins park:

Today is alumni day. Cerrato could be there for that reason

Posted by: TWISI | June 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't you see? This was Shannahallen's plan all along. They didn't want AH, they knew they couldn't trade him for anything, and they knew they couldn't just cut him b/c of $$.

So, they figure out a way to get rid of him AND get $$ back. This is how we roll now.

Posted by: jgarrisn | June 17, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I said he has influence. And I think it's naive think otherwise.

So Mike Shannahan is the coach, and Bruce Allen is the GM, but somehow Snyder get them to do the things that Vinny wants......

This is something you think happens, Dan approach's MS/BA, and starts the conversation with, "I was just chatting with Vin-man"...and you think that someone lends him an ear.........

Are
You
Serious?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

tired, old, stale frak

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Q.Wilbon
Has you friend lost it? Love him, but he was on 980 yesterday actually defending and applauding (his word, not mine) Albert. I realize the Wilbon has been accused of being a bit, shall we say, cozy with athletes, but really??? If there is one bad guy that we can all coalesce around, it is Mr. Hayesworth, right? What am I missing here?
– June 17, 2010 9:33 AM Permalink

A.Tracee Hamilton writes:
I was surprised myself at Michael's reaction. I can assure you he's not cozy with Haynesworth; Wilbon rarely covers the Skins any more, by choice, so that's not it. Truthfully, I have no idea how anyone can defend Albert but I'll be eager to see Wilbon one of these days and ask him. He'll have some free time after tonight.

What else would you expect from Wilbon? Stompworth is a BLACK athlete. Wilbon sides and defends BLACK athletes. If Stompworth were white......

Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

frak

"Moe's probably one of three or four white spin doctors on this board working different handles..."


I can't be a white spin doctor as redDmv says I'm an Uncle Tom.

Others assume I'm a professional journalist slumming in a forum designed for sloppy minded work shirkers.

Presently, I am on vacation.

And I'm tired of all the jawing about Albert Haynesworth playing Mike Shanahan like a stunt.

And as for multiple handles, well, I don't have the energy or brains or time or desire to voice that much opinion.

I am not sitting in some cubicle in the WaPo offices getting paid peanuts to post to drive up ad hits.

I am what I am: a bored black dude.

My credit is too bad and penis too long to be a white dude.

So let me get back to my nap.

And oh, Tupac sucks.

I'll wish his tombstone a happy belated birthday.

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz.............

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"So Mike Shannahan is the coach, and Bruce Allen is the GM, but somehow Snyder get them to do the things that Vinny wants......"

Do you ever discuss aspects of your job with someone you don't work with, but who has knowledge of your field? Ever tell your significant other about some jack@ss at work? Ever talk to a sibling or friend about someone you had a problem with at work?

It's really not that unusual, but maybe not as obvious as the comical scenario you painted.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

al, yeah it is that unusual...the former VP of player personal, having a say with the current GM/Coach........

really...you think this happens??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully putting on a blindfold and smoking his last cigarette.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 12:17 PM

mol... so he's quitting smoking, and looking for a little support?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if chinny is back to answer just what the he'll he promised haynesworthless...?????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I can't be a white spin doctor as redDmv says I'm an Uncle Tom.

I thought it was 'oreo'?


But anyway, Moe you're a cool Uncle Tom.

Like in the mold of Greg Gumble.

Mike Wilbon maybe a lot of things, but he ain't a racist.


Must be getting board if people are doing the race thing today. And the funny thing is that this is MY first post of the day. But if some told it, I'm primo pimp when it comes to promoting racial topics.


V-RedDMV Day...



And everytime I step up in the building
Everybody hands go up
And they stay there
And they say there
And they stay there
Up down, up down
'Cause all I do is win win win

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

4. He's depressed. Too many lawsuits and too much getting dumped on

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2010 6:54 PM

I'm having this theory (sort of) as well. I listened to Mike and Mike this morning (sheesh those guys are more annoying that we are) who were looking for anybody to offer up a defense.

The best I could come up with is that this guy is messed up in the head ... and was when we signed him ... and it all revolves around the "treatment" imposed by the League for the Andre Gurode incident.

HOW DO YOU TELL A DEFENSIVE LINEMAN THAT HE HAS TO MANAGE HIS ANGER? Lots of guys (now I'm playing fake psychologist) get to the top of their game by relying on their anger at the snap of the ball. There has NEVER been ANY love between any offensive and defensive lineman EVER.

They take the guy off the field, put him on a couch, and tell him he's too angry. MONTHS of anger management. The guy was a FIRST ROUND pick BECAUSE of his anger.

That has to mess a guy up.

Also, re: London's comments about last year ... and this is part of the reason I brazened on Albert ... the guy is not a normal player. Peeps up here bash the guy for being out of shape and winded on the field. I watched that and a say BS.

When he takes a knee on the field (he rarely showed up in any kind of defensive huddle), his very next play was something outstanding and abusive on the offense. Coaches have been quoted about how you don't talk to Haynesworth during the game, and you don't even talk to him in the 2-3 hours before the game. My theory is that he (Haynesworth) puts himself in some sort of aggression trance.

Is any of this a defense to his current decision making? No. That said, however, the guy IS messed up.

Posted by: dcsween | June 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

al, yeah it is that unusual...the former VP of player personal, having a say with the current GM/Coach........

really...you think this happens??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:07 PM

Not with the current coach and GM, becasue there's no relationship there. But with his old friend and racketball partner, Dan Snyder--yes, absolutely. Dan and Vinny have been together longer than most married couples... do you honestly think they just stopped talking to each other, when Snyder was FORCED to fire him (fans were starting to show their displeasure with upper management, and not going to games--what choice did he have?).

And if they do still talk, what do YOU think they talk about? Gardening? Cooking? I'm guessing football. It's not a big leap.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

With all this BS Butterball is pull in does anyone think we could even get a 3rd rounder for him?????

I would love to teach him a lesson n make him ride the bench.... But dudes a cancer, this move makes TO look like a role model for kids!!!

I don't think Shanny will ship him off unless the price is right

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Haynesworth interview:

Q: So, Albert, you claim that the Redskins front office told you that you would be used on defense in ways that would highlight your strengths, is that correct?

A: That is correct. I mean, let me make it clear right now that they told me I was going to be, in effect, the defensive coordinator. I was going to line up wherever I wanted to line up and the rest of the team was just going to kind of flow around me.

Q: Okay. So what about the new bonus? Did Shanahan and Allen promise you the same thing?

A: Oh no. They changed the whole story.

Q: So, then, knowing the situation had changed, why did you take the money?

A: Ahh, well, I just stole that money. NFLPA says I won't have to give it back. Agent says I get to keep it. Mike S. can kiss my butt, I am going to keep that money.

Q: But... but don't you feel obligated to at least come in to camp?

A: Why should I do that? I got mine, they ain't getting theirs, case closed.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess the media hasn’t had any access yet today?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

al, you said vinny still had influence, then you agreed that it wasn't with the redskins current coach and gm....

I guess I don't give an eff what vc, and ds talk about.

So if BA/MS have put DS on a shelf, and vinny has influence on DS, whats it matter......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Alan, do you have any examples of decisions where it appears Vinny steered Snyder's thought process?

Or are you just generally paranoid?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I was pleased to read that Kareem Moore looked good at the FS position.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Come on RI, your last update was at 7am? We're in the middle of mini camp and you've posted ntthing of real relevance all day.


Ugh, how am I supposed to pass my time at work?

Posted by: Devo2 | June 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Is today really alumni day at the park? There should be some interesting old-timer quotes coming out about all this. Not like Riggins would ever show up, but I wonder how he “feels” about it…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Alan, do you have any examples of decisions where it appears Vinny steered Snyder's thought process?

Or are you just generally paranoid?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 17, 2010 1:24 PM

Giving examples would be paranoid, because I have no particular insight.

However, I have made a general observation that a good friend, particularly when he/she works in the same field, is bound to have some influence.

For example, it wouldn't suprise me if I had a doctor who was friends with another doctor. Yet, instead of going to his/her collegues at my hospital, my doctor might actually seek advice from his/her friend and former collegue working at another hospital!

Maybe it's just me, but my brother talks to me about personnel issues with his job even though he works hundreds of miles from me. He bounces questions off me, and he's told me how I've influenced his decisions. Hence, I just don't find the likelihood of Vinny influencing Dan that extraordinary.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Everyone pissed about the A.H soap opra, might as well get over it, because money talks and A.H will be on this team when they open camp. Get used to it, he wont be playing anywhere else unless he returns his bounus money, and don't count on that.

Posted by: Michael_ASU | June 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


Mike Wilbon maybe a lot of things, but he ain't a racist.

I agree he is not a racist, rather, he is a race baiter. And he is a defender of the black athlete, whether that athlete is right or wrong.


Posted by: hessone | June 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

So this isn't a pay issue obviously(which would be more understanding. This is a guy who took something like 12 million dollars for having an average 12 game season. He in turn takes 22 million dollars from the club instead of giving the money up to play for whatever other team he wished. Basically Albert Haynesworth is what most people would call "uncoachable". He does not care about what anyone tells him. He wants to be able to tell the coaches what he wants to do and where he wants to play. The point is the guy doesn't want to listen or have to do what the coaches tell him to do. I really honestly think that Albert Haynesworth did not workout this offseason and knows he is out of shape. He found out he had to report for a physical at 6:30 AM and came up with this option of forcing a trade but still taking the money. This guy has no morals and his ethics are way off base. He doesn't deserve to have us as fans and I hope kids and other athletes don't follow his actions. This guy should be banned from the national football league or forced to ride the bench and destroy his career. He will act out and they can FINE FINE FINE!

Posted by: Hail2Redskins | June 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

GOOD NEWS: Redskins trade Albert Haynesworth

BAD NEWS: To BP for Tony Hayward.

Posted by: TheCork | June 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

al, again, if BA/MS have put DS on a shelf, and aren't allowing him to meddle in team matters, and vinny has influence on DS, whats it matter......

who cares if Dan and Vin still talk, Bruce/Mike aren't running "amateur night" any longer...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Here is the plan. Though it would be risky. Trade him to any team that wants him. Then he he goes and takes his physical (Which he cannot pass because of his weight). Then receiving team voids the trade due to his physical. The Skins would then have ground to recoupe some of the $21 million Danny boy foolishly gave this fool!

Posted by: bigd57 | June 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

al, again, if BA/MS have put DS on a shelf, and aren't allowing him to meddle in team matters, and vinny has influence on DS, whats it matter......

who cares if Dan and Vin still talk, Bruce/Mike aren't running "amateur night" any longer...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:40 PM

Now we're on the same page! Recognize, however, that you've constructed and if-then statement. Your premise (IF Dan's not meddling) will not be fully tested until games are played.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

South African killed by family for watching Cup

61-year-old fought with family, who wanted to see religious program

JOHANNESBURG - Police say a South African man who wanted to watch a World Cup match instead of a religious program was beaten to death by his family in the northeastern part of the country.

David Makoeya, a 61-year-old man from the small village of Makweya, Limpopo province, fought with his wife and two children for the remote control on Sunday because he wanted to watch Germany play Australia in the World Cup. The others, however, wanted to watch a gospel show.

"He said, 'No, I want to watch soccer,'" police spokesman Mothemane Malefo said Thursday. "That is when the argument came about.
==============================

the irony!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

well, here's the thing.. Fat ALbert wont be good at DE, he's too slow and fat. DE's need to close the gap on the outside. Fat albert isnt fast enough to chase down rb's on the end.

Fatty is made to play NT.. he needs to man up and play some dam football.

Posted by: manitzdaman | June 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Dan Steinberg has a nice post over on DC Sports Bog... especially liked what George Starke had to say.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

well, here's the thing.. Fat ALbert wont be good at DE, he's too slow and fat. DE's need to close the gap on the outside. Fat albert isnt fast enough to chase down rb's on the end.

Fatty is made to play NT.. he needs to man up and play some dam football.

Posted by: manitzdaman | June 17, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

1 exception to your examples, Vinny has proven himself to be incompetent/incapable of successfully assembling a team.

For the time I'll believe what MS/BA/DS have all said on record about how the team is being run. If what they said is true, it really doesn't matter what Vinny says, because Dan has stepped back from decision making process.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone read the tracee hamilton article today?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/16/AR2010061604004.html

In the picture, who is the white dude directly behind Shanahan? Dude looks freakin huge….please tell me that it’s Carriker.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigd57 | June 17, 2010 1:42 PM

would he even pass the 'skins physical? perhaps not.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

South African killed by family for watching Cup

61-year-old fought with family, who wanted to see religious program

JOHANNESBURG - Police say a South African man who wanted to watch a World Cup match instead of a religious program was beaten to death by his family in the northeastern part of the country.

David Makoeya, a 61-year-old man from the small village of Makweya, Limpopo province, fought with his wife and two children for the remote control on Sunday because he wanted to watch Germany play Australia in the World Cup. The others, however, wanted to watch a gospel show.

"He said, 'No, I want to watch soccer,'" police spokesman Mothemane Malefo said Thursday. "That is when the argument came about.
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the irony!

Posted by: 4thFloor


LMFBAO... not at the dude getting beat to death by his OWN FAMILY, but the irony in it all...


Dude must've been that loud/drunk/borrowing money uncle everyone hated when he came around.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is a wonderously gifted football player!! I would take seriously the comments from a London Fletcher because this guy brings it day in and out. Pro ball players take a bunch of negative hits because of the attitude of an Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: hodge346012 | June 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

from the bog...

"The first thing it means is that the change in the administration from Cerrato to Bruce Allen is a good thing for the Washington Redskins, because Vinny didn't like us around," said legendary Hog George Starke. "He didn't like former Redskins. He wasn't part of this family. And as a result of that, the Redskins never went anywhere. You know, [most] of these guys out there on that field have ever been in the playoffs. On this side, you've got guys here with four rings.


"And so Bruce, when he came in, the first thing he did was he called Brig Owens up, he called me up, he said the Redskins will never be successful as an organization unless we all come together. He's absolutely right. He says 'I want everybody to come out, I want you to come out all the time, I want you to be part of the deal, otherwise this team won't be successful"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dan Steinberg has a nice post over on DC Sports Bog... especially liked what George Starke had to say.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 1:48 PM |

Agreed. Validates what we all thought about Vinny. Also maybe why Vinny is there, as an examle of what not to do.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Terrific. Thanks Steinbog. Now I have 2 blogs that I need to refresh as often as I can…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 2:00 PM

I think maybe that was Starke lighting the cigarette for Vinny...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps they can get back Cornelius Griffin; I don't think he signed with anyone yet, and he was a solid leader, stand up guy (in the locker room), and an all-around great player!

Posted by: guisher | June 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

manitzdaman,

Actually a 3-4 end is not much different than playing DT in a 4-3. That is why typically the guys are over 300 pounds. The linebackers are the ones who secure the outside so Hanyesworths speed would not be an issue. Haynesworth is just garbage, knows he out of shape and likely can't pass the physical.

Posted by: Hail2Redskins | June 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Idk who the huge white dude is but I think it is carriker.

I hope that dude has a return to glory with us.

Rams fans say he's an injury prone bust, but hey, haslett saw something in him to draft him in the first round, n we need some youth on the d line

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Is any of this a defense to his current decision making? No. That said, however, the guy IS messed up.

Posted by: dcsween | June 17, 2010 1:15 PM

Agree. We can only guess at the reasons behind all this, but the bottom line is exactly as you said.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

brandon_in_cali-

Yes it's carriker in that picture right behind Shanahan and yes he is a monster of a man.

Posted by: Hail2Redskins | June 17, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I didn’t realize that Carriker was that big. Let’s hope he stays healthy. I seem to remember him being tagged as a guy who goes “110%” on every play and won’t quit, etc. If he stays healthy, he could be a really good acquisition…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

bean, that C&P from the bog just further brings home the fact that John Kent Cooke shouldn't have sold the team to Snyder from the jump.

Hard to believe it was just Cerrato that didn't want those guys around. If it was solely Cerrato calling the shots on stuff like that, then yeah, it's safe to assume that he still has Snyder's ear and influence.

Now whether that translates into if Cerrato still has a hand in personnel decisions is a different story. 'Cause if Shanahan and Allen are really running the show, then whatever Cerrato has to say and whether Dan takes heed to it or not is irrelevant.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

TRADE HIS OUT OF SHAPE @SS TO DENVER!!!

LET'S SEE HIM TRY TO CATCH HIS WIND THERE.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | June 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Idk who the huge white dude is but I think it is carriker.

I hope that dude has a return to glory with us.

Rams fans say he's an injury prone bust, but hey, haslett saw something in him to draft him in the first round, n we need some youth on the d line

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Carriker flourished under Jim Haslett's 3-4 scheme in St. Louis playing defensive end. After Haslett left the Rams went with a 4-3 and moved Carriker to DT where he struggled. He should play well for us.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | June 17, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I was pleased to read that Kareem Moore looked good at the FS position.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2010 1:24 PM
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You and me both. I think if he gets some time with the starters in the preseason we are going to see that he is the better free safety between he and Doughty - who I understand has been moved from SS to compete against him. Sounds like Horton will be Landry's backup at SS and Doughty - Moore will man the FS position.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

In the picture, who is the white dude directly behind Shanahan? Dude looks freakin huge….please tell me that it’s Carriker.


Posted by: dlhaze1

Dude, that's obviously Rosie O'Donnell

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Red, John Kent Cooke didn't sell the team to Snyder... some lawyers decided to sell the team to Snyder's group after rejecting John Kent Cooke's bid as well as the Howard Milstein group that Snyder had previously been part of.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

4th,
re husband-killing family:
rotflmaowbh! (wbh = with bowed head) it's like an onion article! too funny/sad...

of course this is much more an indictment of religion and his family than anything else. they must really love that gospel music show.... curious, they didn't mention what religion the killers were. i can't seem to "google" that. a really quick search reveals that 80% of south africans are christian and 15% are "non-religious", and 5% are islamic/other though...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_South_Africa

so there's a 94% (80/85) chance the gospel music killers were christian.... and 100% chance they were religious.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually a 3-4 end is not much different than playing DT in a 4-3. That is why typically the guys are over 300 pounds. The linebackers are the ones who secure the outside....

Posted by: Hail2Redskins


Guys aren't typically over 300 pounds in a 4-3. They usually range from 265 to 300.

With that weight they are able to maintain the outside.

You want guys with a little more weight in a 3-4, because you have to make up for that missing guy you would have in a 4-3 and sort of neutralize the threat of double teams.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"and he was a solid leader, stand up guy (in the locker room), and an all-around great player!"

The operative word here is "was."

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Red, John Kent Cooke didn't sell the team to Snyder... some lawyers decided to sell the team to Snyder's group after rejecting John Kent Cooke's bid as well as the Howard Milstein group that Snyder had previously been part of.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2010 2:21 PM

Friend, I think that Cooke's estate had accepted the Milstein group's bid, but the NFL didn't want Milstein in their club.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Landry moving to the SS position is easily one of the most welcome and highly anticipated changes heading into this season -- I think that alone makes our secondary a good deal better.

(Yes, yes, I realize I'm in Captain Obvious territory here, but that's where I'm most comfortable.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I hope Kemoeatu can make it all the way back from his achilles. John Jansen's game fell way off after his achilles. Kemoeatu is gonna have to fight double and triple teams on that leg - hopefully it holds up.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

F Haynesworth...

I am just now finding out what all this Hoopla about ALVIN GREENE is about....

Repulicans are some slimmy MoFos....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Correction: I meant DEs usually range from 265 to 290.

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Sometimes they're lighter than 265.


Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 2:00 PM

I think maybe that was Starke lighting the cigarette for Vinny...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 2:02 PM |

...and hopefully passing out the rifles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Politicians in general are some slimmy MoFos....

fixed it for ya.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"The first thing it means is that the change in the administration from Cerrato to Bruce Allen is a good thing for the Washington Redskins, because Vinny didn't like us around," said legendary Hog George Starke. "He didn't like former Redskins. He wasn't part of this family. And as a result of that, the Redskins never went anywhere. You know, [most] of these guys out there on that field have ever been in the playoffs. On this side, you've got guys here with four rings.


"And so Bruce, when he came in, the first thing he did was he called Brig Owens up, he called me up, he said the Redskins will never be successful as an organization unless we all come together. He's absolutely right. He says 'I want everybody to come out, I want you to come out all the time, I want you to be part of the deal, otherwise this team won't be successful"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2010 1:59 PM

Thanks for the cut/paste Greg.

If you don't respect the history, you're an idiot. Which is Vinny is.

But its also possible to be too stuck in history and maybe BA has that issue. Still, its Shanahan's team, so I'm not concerned about it. Probably a good balance between the 2 degrees.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Damn ah.

We coulda at least made a run for another nt if he bounced.

What a p.o.s.

Big John Henderson was available until a week ago. We need another nt behind maake...

Maybe shanny knows that n is waiting for another draft class to complete the overhaul

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 17, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Righto, friend, I knew I was glossing over some of the particulars, but I'm fairly confident that a gaggle of lawyers were involved in each of those decisions...

And no matter what happened, the unhappy outcome was Snyder's acquisition of the team...

F Dan Snyder. It really can't be said enough.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Sell Haynesworth-less to BP. That fat blob can be used to soak up oil.

Posted by: hueeman | June 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hueeman | June 17, 2010 2:34 PM

unless he ruptures, which only makes the problem worse.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Did a little poking into RI history ... back to days around the Albert signing ... gonna be posting some of our reactions at the time ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"If Albert Haynesworth won't play nose tackle for the Redskins, who will?"



I suggest we make a contract offer to anyone of the following future nose tackles:

a.) Betty White

b.) OctoMom

c.) Gary Coleman's 'wife'

d.) flounder21

e.) Dana Stubblefield

f.) which ever Beatle is still alive

g.) who ever Jason Beiber is


Moe goes with 'a' as news that the ancient Mrs. White has a sex tape at her age is proof that she, like BP, doesn't mind having oil spilled into what has to be quite a gulf.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

At this point several things must happen before His Fatness plays another game as a Skin. 1. Sincere apologies to coach, teammates, and fans for being such a dumba*s. 2. Report in shape to play football, something that eluded him in all of 2009. and 3. Bust his oversized butt on the football field, put team first, and keep his oversized mouth and ego in check.

Now.......check with Vegas and see what kind of odds they'll give you for that to happen. Conclusion: Fatness has played his last game in burgundy & gold - let's move on.

Posted by: bones21 | June 17, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

beeps, new thread...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,

In a 3-4 there is no loss of a player. Basically a defensive end instead of being with hand down is standing up. You actually add one more big guy to the defensive line in a 3-4 that being, Kemeotu, Carriker, Holliday/Daniels/Haynesworthless In a 4-3 the ends arent usually monster guys but n a 4-3 the tackles are still typically around 300 pounds or more. The ends in a 3-4 are typically like I said before still around 300 pounds. Minus like the Colts who run a variation or a 3-4. The Cowboys also run a 3-4 and Ratliff is the nose just barely over 300 pounds. Its how you run your 3-4 but a basic 3-4 defense in the NFL should be a huge NT 320+ 2 ends 300+ because like I said before ends in a 3-4 are like DTs in a 4-3. The outside linebackers Orakpo/Carter will be utilized as rushers. A 3-4 will cause more confusion in blitzing situations because it is more difficult to tell where the pressure is coming from.

Posted by: Hail2Redskins | June 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest

"... back to days around the Albert signing ... gonna be posting some of our reactions at the time ..."



I got a win here.

I wasn't for the signing as, I remember, hoping the redskins would make a move or trade for whatever was the best free agent offensive lineman.

Post it, dude, and win today's 1st Weekly Golden Post Award.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I really have to question why Shanahan willingly gave Haynesworth $21 million on April 1st - especially after Haynesworth told him that he wasn't going to play in Shanny's 3-4. Shanny had the perfect opportunity to cut the "selfish guy" and use the $ to acquire "team guys". Shanny is a big boy, he's dealt with the Javon Walkers, Daryl Gardners, Dale Carters, and Maurice Clerettes of the NFL. I'm supposed to believe that he innocently believed that Albert would have a change of heart cause the Skins were going to pay him money that was already guaranteed to him? McNabb can see what's going on. Dude will play out the remaining year on his contract and then bolt to the Cardinals next year as fast as he can.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 17, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

oh and I envision the Redskins defense without Haynesworthless like this: Ends- Carriker/Holliday NT- Kemo MLBS- Fletcher/Mcintosh OLBS- Orakpo/Alexander SS-Landry FS-Moore CB-Hall/Rogers/Buchannon

Posted by: Hail2Redskins | June 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

What we all forget here is that Fat Albert was never worth the money. He played Danny Boy as most free agents do and got paid. Fat boy had his typical contract year where he busted his fat azz and Danny Boy rained money on him like he was a fat stripper. Blame this one on Danny the lollipop as always!!

Posted by: Tha-1 | June 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

no heart. in the NFC east they run the ball until you stop it and then the run it some more. in other words it a true smash mouth division and Haynesworth just don,t have the heart to play here and really any place else. he got his money and a a player hes done. what a waste. a true punk

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | June 17, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

no heart. in the NFC east they run the ball until you stop it and then the run it some more. in other words it a true smash mouth division and Haynesworth just don,t have the heart to play here and really any place else. he got his money and a a player hes done. what a waste. a true punk

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | June 17, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

you got it lostdog. Haynesworth - spoiled, temperamental, selfish, a true jerk. Too cool and clearly doesn't have interest in working as a team member, in a team sport, to win a ring. Hey Phat Albert, go find a ring on your own and quit wasting our time. A REAL man would stand up, put the cleats on, show up - IN SHAPE - and be ready to play. And SHOW THEM where you should be playing, by your play. Yea, you looked real good last year, sucking O2 on the sideline. You fat lard ass. Go away. Please.

Posted by: kbmcwhinney | June 17, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse


Does it really matter?


Posted by: mortified469 | June 17, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Skin fan has got to be the most ignorant in the NFL -- don't blame Haynesworth, blame your rich owner for bringing him in the first place. Skins tried to talk, and be, tough with #92 and he said "Screw all of you." and took the cash! They blinked, they lost, tough sh$t and move on! Only thing worse than Skin are the people that pay for the crap product they roll out there.

Posted by: jwing14 | June 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

OOOOHooooo a little diddy about Danny & Vinny two shmucks with too much money

Heading down south to buy a hero what'd they end up with was aaanother zero

Go on take the money and run

Posted by: dannyboyrules | June 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

OOOOHooooo a little diddy about Danny & Vinny two shmucks with too much money

Heading down south to buy a hero what'd they end up with was aaanother zero

Go on take the money and run

Posted by: dannyboyrules | June 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

OOOOHooooo a little diddy about Danny & Vinny two shmucks with too much money

Heading down south to buy a hero what'd they end up with was aaanother zero

Go on take the money and run

Posted by: dannyboyrules | June 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

OOOOHooooo a little diddy about Danny & Vinny two shmucks with too much money

Heading down south to buy a hero what'd they end up with was aaanother zero

Go on take the money and run

Posted by: dannyboyrules | June 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

OOOOHooooo a little diddy about Danny & Vinny two shmucks with too much money

Heading down south to buy a hero what'd they end up with was aaanother zero

Go on take the money and run

Posted by: dannyboyrules | June 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

What do we want from the Titans for AH? He's so gone...

I say Birones

Posted by: ElYeah | June 17, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

2 Words folks - 'fat bum'

Posted by: marc71 | June 17, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Can't even believe he's paid that amount money for what? Missing games and going to the buffet? Come on - what a waste. Such a joke..

Posted by: marc71 | June 17, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

This man has obviously been conditioned to think, "it's all about me." Who in power now does that remind you of?

Danny-boy should sue this moron for breach of contract, immediately. Let me explain it to you son, you are the employee and you have been paid. You have also signed a contract. Danny is the employer and decides what you have to do to receive your pay. Is that to hard for your ignorant ass to understand?

Posted by: damnright | June 18, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Okay - let's think about this. At this point, who thinks he can return and become part of the 'team'. He's pretty much poisoned his own reputation with the other players on the team (and around the nfl for the most part). He's established himself as a selfish jerk who cares nothing for the success of the team over his own successes. I know I personally wouldn't want to line up next to this jerk. While he's a force to be reckoned with when he plays (when he CAN play - which is only about 50% of the time) - the team has already made strides replacing him. His numerous oxygen breaks because he's sooooo out of shape (yeah, he's got his own workout regimen) and his "Albert needs a timeout instances" - have already shown he can't be counted on - so...who needs him. If you have to plan for him to be available for only about 50% of the time - then you build in a viable defense without him - so...just plan on him being unavailable all of the time - shoot - he would've probably gotten hurt early on anyway so what's the big deal - he's an overpaid, underachieving dirtbag who will never be a team player - we don't need him, don't want him, see ya bye bye.

Let him spend this season paying fines and sitting at home while his career spends itself out - he'll never get a shot at Canton and if next year becomes a strike shortened - or eliminated season, that will be the end of Albert Haynesworthless - another FUBAR by Snyder - a costly one, but one we've seen the likes of before. The end of a dirtbag.

Posted by: whelms1 | June 18, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

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