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Jeff Fisher: Titans were interested in Haynesworth trade

The Tennessee Titans were interested in re-acquiring defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, but the Redskins were not interested in making a deal, Titans Coach Jeff Fisher said Tuesday.

The Redskins were willing to trade Haynesworth since the offseason, multiple league sources, but no teams were willing to meet Coach Mike Shanahan's asking price, believed to be a second-round draft pick. Tuesday's 4 p.m. deadline passed, and Haynesworth remained with the Redskins.

"Clearly, Albert's situation has settled down there in Washington," Fisher told the Nashville Tennessean. "He is under contract, and there was no interest in them as far as moving him is concerned."

Haynesworth, who signed with the Redskins in February 2009, had been paid $32 million before the start of the 2010 season. The two-time all-pro player has base salaries of $3.6 million this season and $5.4 million in 2011. The money was guaranteed as part of Haynesworth's record-setting contract, but the guarantees were voided when Haynesworth skipped the mandatory June minicamp.

By Jason Reid  | October 20, 2010; 9:35 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Comments

Fiddlesticks.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Can you please just let this topic die now???? PLEASE! Enough!

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 20, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Headline should read "Titans were interested in Haynesworth, but not interested enough to offer anything of value"

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Titans interested in trading .10 for a dollar"

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

J-Reid is interested in learning how to be a beat reporter for a pro football team, anyone know of a school he can go to.

The AH sh_t is played out how about getting off your fat a$$, going out to the park and get some real news on the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Are you frickin kidding me? Let it go already.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan has had a lot of experience with QB's.


I think if McNabb is kept long term, the idea is to minimize him via a strong running game.

And that makes sense.

Where we are in a passing era, having a solid running game to lean on would mean you could go through games where McNabb really isn't as important as two backs who, behind a great o-line, can crank out yardage and move the ball.

Depending on him more as a game manager than a guy who wins games with his arm means McNabb is worth a 3-5 deal with a big front end pay out.

And I bet that is what he gets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Trade him or cut him.

Now you get to save your remaining characters.

Its just; cut him.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 20, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"I think if McNabb is kept long term, the idea is to minimize him via a strong running game."

If he stay alive.

He's taken a beating a the last few weeks, and the season isn't half over.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 20, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher = NERD with a mustache!

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher: a bag of poop was 'not good enough' to trade for Haynesworth. Clearly, the Tennessee front office must be reeling from their state of shock. Unfortunately, turds cannot be swapped easily in the NFL.

Posted by: pgugino | October 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

would be interesting to know what the Titans were willing to offer. I know 4th rounder was the rumor, just interested in how far apart the 2 sides were.

1 post down 30 to go. Need to hear from every NFL coach on this one.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher: a bag of poop was 'not good enough' to trade for Haynesworth. Clearly, the Tennessee front office must be reeling from their state of shock. Unfortunately, turds cannot be swapped easily in the NFL.

Posted by: pgugino | October 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop - "Turds are my usual currency!"

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Do ya think we could maybe get an idea of that they were willing to offer? Wouldn't that be the obvious "next step" to this article? He doesn't even mention anything about their offer. I mean, Jason could have AT LEAST let us know that he was thinking about it by saying, "It's unclear what the Titans were willing to offer for the disgruntled DT." But, NO, NOTHING. Weak post.

Posted by: seanmichaeltaylor | October 20, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Reid,

You're the REDSKINS beat reporter, not the HAYNESWORTH beat reporter. Try to at least pretend that's true. Even if PFT didn't have this EXACT SAME post YESTERDAY, the trade deadline has come and gone and you've already pointed out that AH is still on the roster. Do us all a favor and MOVE THE F*CK ON!

Sincerely,

RI

P.S.- Jeff Fisher posts are appropriate when we're, you know, PLAYING THE TITANS NEXT. It's f-ing Wednesday and you have yet to even acknowledge that our next game is against Chicago. Simply stunning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

just off the top of my head, updates on Cooley, or Rocky, and their availability this coming weekend would have been more prudent....otherwise, lets get an update on how Rock Cartwright has acclimated himself to the Raiders...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

P.S.- Jeff Fisher posts are appropriate when we're, you know, PLAYING THE TITANS NEXT. It's f-ing Wednesday and you have yet to even acknowledge that our next game is against Chicago. Simply stunning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:10 AM |

Oh not true! We got a post the other day about Rex Grossman's homecoming. Are you SJK'ing kidding me? This blog has really taken a turn for the worst. What ever happened to Cindy? This place sucks since she left. I hope J Reid doesn't actually get paid for this garbage.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

P.S.- Jeff Fisher posts are appropriate when we're, you know, PLAYING THE TITANS NEXT. It's f-ing Wednesday and you have yet to even acknowledge that our next game is against Chicago. Simply stunning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

In J Reid's defense he did post that Sexy Rexy was excited to go back to Chicago. But to counter that...who the F cares about Sexy Rexy anyway. I'd be excited to go the Gino's East too, and I'm not even from Chi Town.


Can we get a a new Insider please??

Posted by: Devo2 | October 20, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop - "Turds are my usual currency!"

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 10:07 AM

I try to pay in Doug Dutch whenever possible...just not in bars.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Just so I can help you plan your weekly reading:

Tomorrow's headline: "Haynesworth Still Not Traded!"

Friday's headline: "Redskins Continue to Hang on to Haynesworth!"

Saturday's headline: "Haynesworth May Be Active in Sunday's Game!"

Sunday's headline: "Haynesworth Will Definitely Play!"

Monday's headline: "Haynesworth Did a Good Job According to Jim Haslett!"

Tuesday's headline: "Haynesworth May Be Traded at the End of the Season!"

And so forth.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

A quick at Shanahan's last starting quarterback:

from nytimes.com:

According to Pro-Football-Reference.com, Jay Cutler is being sacked on 14 percent of his dropbacks (sacks plus pass attempts) – worst in the league. This would represent the highest sack rate in the N.F.L. since Andrew Walter was sacked on 14.3 percent of his dropbacks in 2006.

Nine of Cutler’s sacks this season came in the first half against the Giants – before he had to leave the game (and miss the Carolina game) with a concussion. In that game, Cutler’s all-important yards-per-attempt (Y.P.A.) – after adjusting for the lost sack yardage – was -0.65.

This season, Cutler is No. 2 in unadjusted Y.P.A. (behind Philip Rivers). But once you adjust for sacks, the figure drops from 8.5 Y.P.A. to 6.4 – 11th in the N.F.L.

Should we blame Cutler?

Football Outsiders in 2003 and the Pro-Football-Reference.com blog last year showed that quarterbacks are partly responsible for their sacks — can’t blame it all on the offensive line. These articles actually represent the justification for including lost sack yardage in my ratings.

And, using the aforementioned “eyeball test” does suggest that Cutler is holding the ball too long at times.

However, in 2008, Cutler’s last year in Denver, he was sacked on only 1.8 percent of his attempts – or 11 times (two more than the total in that one half against the Giants) on 616 attempts. Before this season, his average sack rate was 4.8 percent (weighted because he only started five games in his rookie season).

Jumping from a career average of 4.8 percent to 14 percent is a statistical anomaly that puts more of the onus – in this case – on the offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh, good call scamp...I try to scrub the ineptitude of the blog when I log off, so maybe that's why I forgot about that...

Or maybe it's because I come to jibba jabba with other Skins fans and don't even bother to read the actual post anymore. After all, I already know going in it's gonna suck...why raise my blood pressure for no reason?

Good stuff Greg...maybe we can get a Leigh Torrence update while we're at it...maybe a "Where Are They Now?" featuring Stephen Davis...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Where Are They Now?" featuring Otis Wonsley

fixed it for ya....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

just off the top of my head, updates on Cooley, or Rocky, and their availability this coming weekend would have been more prudent....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

at best those are afternoon posts today as today is the first day of practice this week.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe it's because I come to jibba jabba with other Skins fans and don't even bother to read the actual post anymore. After all, I already know going in it's gonna suck...why raise my blood pressure for no reason?

Good stuff Greg...maybe we can get a Leigh Torrence update while we're at it...maybe a "Where Are They Now?" featuring Stephen Davis...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:23 AM |

It's funny because the only part of the threads I read anymore is the headline then it's straight to the comments. These posts are so predictable, lagging, and boring.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes, please let's not hear more about a guy who's not even been in uniform for more than half the games.

The Fighter Attack Guy in the previous post did bring up a good point, which was the D-line. Are they playing well? Orakpo in particular is an interesting case: lots of holding calls, but few sacks. I'd like to see him bull rush a few times. He's so often used an outside move that they're expecting it. A bull rush should catch them off balance, and would set them up later for the speed moves.

Yes: if Shanahan could get Fat Albert to play, it would help. But this endless speculation and talk about salary in a NON-CAPPED YEAR is idiotic. Let's talk about FOOTBALL.

One other thing -- if the Fighter Attack Guy's stats were the real deal, he'd be making lots of dough betting games (even during them) in Vegas. The truth about football is that it is not a sport that's amenable to statistical analysis, unlike say baseball. There's a bunch of reasons for this, I can think of a couple offhand:

The sample size is too small (16 game season versus 162 game season) to reduce the variance in any statistic for overall analysis.

The rules change from year to year far more than in baseball. This tends to reduce the predictive value of past season's statistics.

The makeup of a team changes too -- the past 2 years, Dallas beat Washington 2x each year, and last year WAS was 0-6 in the division. This year, so far they're 2-0.

For all the statistics, there are really only a three that matter. For offense, it's points scored. For defense, it's points given up. For special teams, it's points. Even then the predictive value of these statistics are rather weak.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Per the stats posting re: tackling stats, I'm hoping that Haslett figures out how to get Haynesworth functioning and in the game. Tackling by the the line would be helpful such as.

Posted by: dcsween | October 20, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid - "This just in, thoughts on Albert Haynesworth passing his physical and how it pertains to training camp....wait, what's today's date? Screw it, nobody IMPORTANT is reading this anyway, just some stupid NERDS and Dallas trolls!"

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Nation,

Now that there is no threat of my client being traded, I am semi-officially announcing that Mr. Haynesworth will be slowly shutting it down for the remainder of the season. By the time late December rolls around, his pulse rate will have slowed to about 8 to 12 beats per minute, he will be noticeably thicker and will no longer have to eliminate wastes from his body.

Please note that none of the aforesaid metabolical changes will in any way diminish my client's ability to cash burgandy and gold-colored paychecks.

Ta-Ta

Posted by: HaynesworthsAgent | October 20, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

For those that keep saying Orakpo is not getting sacks what the f_ck are you talking about he has 5 sacks in 6 games. With the greates Tackle that ever lived (Sarcasm) playing next to him last year he only had 11 in 16 games.

Orakpo is on pace to have a better sack total then last year and thats with out big Al most the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

... For special teams, it's points. Even then the predictive value of these statistics are rather weak.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 10:30 AM

I predict neither Derrick Frost nor Durant Brooks will ever punt again in the NFL. Both are rather weak.

Posted by: dcsween | October 20, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

maybe a "Where Are They Now?" featuring Stephen Davis...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Davis is the minority coaching intern for the Panthers this season.

Posted by: swowra | October 20, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It's funny because the only part of the threads I read anymore is the headline then it's straight to the comments. These posts are so predictable, lagging, and boring.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 10:28 AM


Exactly...sad thing is, each post get so many comments that these turds probably think we're lapping up this sh*t and loving it. If only they took the time to actually READ the comments...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of special teams, why wasn't Hunter the Punter our punter from the beginning. Bidwell reminds me of a 60 year old!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 20, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Should we blame Cutler?

Football Outsiders in 2003 and the Pro-Football-Reference.com blog last year showed that quarterbacks are partly responsible for their sacks — can’t blame it all on the offensive line. These articles actually represent the justification for including lost sack yardage in my ratings.

And, using the aforementioned “eyeball test” does suggest that Cutler is holding the ball too long at times.

However, in 2008, Cutler’s last year in Denver, he was sacked on only 1.8 percent of his attempts – or 11 times (two more than the total in that one half against the Giants) on 616 attempts. Before this season, his average sack rate was 4.8 percent (weighted because he only started five games in his rookie season).

Jumping from a career average of 4.8 percent to 14 percent is a statistical anomaly that puts more of the onus – in this case – on the offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 10:22 AM
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It's not the QB or the offensive line that has contributed to the sacks as much as it is Mike Martz's "QB Suicide" offense. The problem with timing based passing is you have to wait the time. If you don't have the time, you are a dead man walking. Having said that, the Redskins should chew the quarterback up in this one. If Haslett were ever going to have his unit blitz like hell, it would be in this game. No mercy. No. Mercy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of special teams, why wasn't Hunter the Punter our punter from the beginning. Bidwell reminds me of a 60 year old!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 20, 2010 10:42 AM
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They had to wait for the stink of last season to wear off.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

would be interesting to know what the Titans were willing to offer. I know 4th rounder was the rumor, just interested in how far apart the 2 sides were.
1 post down 30 to go. Need to hear from every NFL coach on this one.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

And why is that info so hard to come by, like it's a national secret? Why would Fisher care if people knew he offered a 4th? I doubt if Reid even asked or checked around.

Reid's stuff has been so boring I found myself looking forward to Captain Stats. It may be conjecture and gibberish, but at least he posts something you haven't read 75 times already.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Davis is the minority coaching intern for the Panthers this season.

Posted by: swowra | October 20, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

First think he will teach em,
DON'T CALL MIKE WESTBROOK GAY

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

First think he will teach em,
DON'T CALL MIKE WESTBROOK GAY


Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2010 10:47 AM

Especially now. That dudes an MMA fighter and in better shape now then he was then.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

There must be something that is only between Fat Albert and Shanny. I am betting there was an exchange between the two where Haynesworth said something to the effect of, "Dude, I'm paid and I'll do what I want, not what you want." I know Shanny is a well-know grudge-holder but outside of a comment like that, I just can't see why there wasn't a deal made for a 4th round pick if that's what was offered. It's a loss to Danny any way you slice it. After nothing going down by yesterday's trade deadline, this whole cluster-f*ck now belongs to Shanny...and that sucks.

The only thing I can fathom is that they only consider him a "body" now and will only plug him (Haney) in if we lose a D-lineman going forward.

Other than that, I cannot for the life of me figure out why prince Albert is still on the roster.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Davis is the minority coaching intern for the Panthers this season.

Posted by: swowra | October 20, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

First think he will teach em,
DON'T CALL MIKE WESTBROOK GAY

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2010 10:47 AM

And make sure you have lots of guaranteed money in that contract!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Keep him and play him.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 20, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You F$%k wit mah solo, I F#^k wit'cho food!

-Miles Davis.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 20, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Nation,

Now that there is no threat of my client being traded, I am semi-officially announcing that Mr. Haynesworth will be slowly shutting it down for the remainder of the season. By the time late December rolls around, his pulse rate will have slowed to about 8 to 12 beats per minute, he will be noticeably thicker and will no longer have to eliminate wastes from his body.

Please note that none of the aforesaid metabolical changes will in any way diminish my client's ability to cash burgandy and gold-colored paychecks.

Ta-Ta

Posted by: HaynesworthsAgent | October 20, 2010 10:36 AM

The only loser bigger than your client is you. F off!

Posted by: SlinginSammy | October 20, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth, who signed with the Redskins in February 2009, had been paid $32 million before the start of the 2010 season. The two-time all-pro player has base salaries of $3.6 million this season and $5.4 million in 2011. The money was guaranteed as part of Haynesworth's record-setting contract, but the guarantees were voided when Haynesworth skipped the mandatory June minicamp"

You're joking right? I can't even remember how many times I've read this paragraph, or similar paragraphs in very very similar articles posted to this site in the past.

Is it really necessary to re-iterate what is now an extremely well known piece of information?

It's like ending your post with "The sky is blue, the sky is blue and oh yeah, the sky is blue".

GIVE IT A REST

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 20, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Keep him & bench his fat SJK. There's more value in him as a lesson to others than a 4th rounder.

And This video is blowing my SJK'ing mind today. New fav band.

Alex, back me up.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 20, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Like my buddy hessone would say...I'm going just going to ITA JReid...close to ITAing the stats NERDs too...

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I think everyone needs to back up and look at why Fisher said that about Haynesworth. How does it hurt him to say it, even if it wasn't true?

-Fisher's taken heat about the defense at times this season, so this tells the fans that he tried to make an upgrade but the Redskins just weren't willing.

-It puts him in with Haynesworth and his agent so they come knocking when the season is over. He's got his foot in the door for a trade next season. If Haynesworth lays an egg this season, then Fisher can use the same line about the Redskins being unwilling to trade Haynesworth.

Basically, I think Fisher is a spineless, scrotumless sack of dookie. Coaches shouldn't talk about trades. Yes, it's okay to float out there that you have someone you are willing to trade but don't go crying over spilled milk when you can't consummate the deal. The reality is, if the Titans offered anything of value, the Redskins would have taken it, but I guess they didn't, so no trade.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Martz' offense would be doing much better in CHI if Cutler had better receivers. And a better offensive line.

And Flounder, Orakpo's sack total this year is misleading. Most of his 5 are coverage sacks: that's good, but it's not the same thing as getting to the QB in 3 seconds and disrupting a play. That hasn't happened much with this defense.

Compare Orakpo with Umenyiora: 8 sacks and 7 forced fumbles vs 5 sacks and 1 forced fumble. Umenyiora is getting there quickly while the QB is still trying to throw the ball, which accounts for the forced fumbles.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

So not even one person wants to man up and say. Yeah i predicted literally thousands of times that Ahay would be cut or traded by now but he is not. I still hate him however my prediction was incorrect.

Anyone, no one...come on I know someone had predicted he would be gone by now.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

And Flounder, Orakpo's sack total this year is misleading. Most of his 5 are coverage sacks: that's good, but it's not the same thing as getting to the QB in 3 seconds and disrupting a play. That hasn't happened much with this defense.

Compare Orakpo with Umenyiora: 8 sacks and 7 forced fumbles vs 5 sacks and 1 forced fumble. Umenyiora is getting there quickly while the QB is still trying to throw the ball, which accounts for the forced fumbles.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 11:04 AM |

I call BS Orakpo has 5 sacks don't give a sh_t how he got them and since Osi is the only d_Linemen in the league with that many forced fumbles I wouild say no defense linemen is doing there job but him according to you.

Clay Matthews has 8.5 sacks but only one forced fumble I guess he is not doing his job either.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Cutler's career will be shortened by his poor OL. How many QBs have we've seen become shell-shocked over the years behind our neglected OL?

One thing my wife mentioned, and she barely follows football, was how much time Manning had to stand in the pocket against the Skins.


She pointed out that he could stand there looking around taking his time, while McNabb was running for his life after just a few seconds.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

So not even one person wants to man up and say. Yeah i predicted literally thousands of times that Ahay would be cut or traded by now but he is not. I still hate him however my prediction was incorrect.

Anyone, no one...come on I know someone had predicted he would be gone by now.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 20, 2010 11:09 AM


I'll take my helping of crow on that...I thought there was no chance this guy would be here going into Week 1...now it's Week 7 and Reid is still cutting and pasting the same sh*t he wrote in April...

To be fair, I think most of us are so sick of the topic that we haven't taken the time to 'fess up to being wrong...just jumpin' on Reid for not letting the damn thing go.

Here's hoping I'm also wrong that keeping AH this long will backfire in a major way...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Compare Orakpo with Umenyiora: 8 sacks and 7 forced fumbles vs 5 sacks and 1 forced fumble. Umenyiora is getting there quickly while the QB is still trying to throw the ball, which accounts for the forced fumbles.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Not a valid comparison.

You're wrong if you think Osi's numbers are that much better simply because Osi is better then Rak.

Compare the rest of New York's D-line to the rest of Washington's D-Line.

What other Redskin pass rusher do other teams fear? Only AH and that is only some of the time.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

One thing my wife mentioned, and she barely follows football, was how much time Manning had to stand in the pocket against the Skins.


She pointed out that he could stand there looking around taking his time, while McNabb was running for his life after just a few seconds.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2010 11:15 AM |

You should of told your wife that no team gets many sacks against Manning because he gets rid of the ball to quickly.

Peyton has been sacked 6 times in 254 attempts looks like no defense has done well against him.

Orakpo had a strip sack that we scored from so I'll take that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo's sack total this year is misleading. Most of his 5 are coverage sacks: that's good, but it's not the same thing as getting to the QB in 3 seconds and disrupting a play. That hasn't happened much with this defense.

Compare Orakpo with Umenyiora: 8 sacks and 7 forced fumbles vs 5 sacks and 1 forced fumble. Umenyiora is getting there quickly while the QB is still trying to throw the ball, which accounts for the forced fumbles.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 11:04 AM


This post = power rankings

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Re: McNabb

I'm on the fence about what to do with this guy. I was against the deal bringing him here thought it was too rich and thought we were rebuilding. Now that he's here, yes it would be nice to keep him for 2-3 more years, but at what cost?

Ideally the QB of the future comes in the 2012 draft.

I'm really not sure why he hasn't been signed, nor am I sure that he wants to be here next year.

Also wouldn't the cap hit or cost be prohibitive if Skins franchise him? If he's franchised and then traded, would the cap hit go to the other team or would it be our dead cap amount? Can we really afford a big hit with so many other expensive players to resign? Can any other team?

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 20, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I will say that Rak needs to learn the chop that LTaylor would do when sacking the qb...would cause a lot more fumbles...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

What other Redskin pass rusher do other teams fear? Only AH and that is only some of the time.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:17 AM |

Right about now and other than 'Rak, it's probably Landry.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

who wouldn't want him, he's a bargain for the next 2 years?

Shan-a-Cool pretends like he's such a tough guy and so many fans eat it up, all the while it's just a game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

dpc2003, also look at who the Giants have played so far.

Carolina - Turnover prone
Chicago - giving up a ton of sacks
Houston - minus their starting LT.
Detroit - playing with 3rd string QB most of the game.

Do you think this might have something to do with Osi's numbers?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Good on ya Brownie...

Osi gets it way easier due to the strength of their entire D-line, including the backups which rotate regularly.

Orakpo is the only serious QB threat we have outside of the secondary blitz. All you have to do is slide a Rb or TE on RAK.

+ Osi has a ton more years in the league, experience equates to better production. In a year or two when we have invested into our Dline and RAK has a bit more experience he will literally be unstoppable.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

AH is too low on this list, IMO...


Terrell Owens is NFL's most overrated player in survey of peers
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 20, 2010 10:55 AM ET
Who's the most overrated player in the NFL?

According to his fellow NFL players, it's Bengals receiver Terrell Owens.

Sports Illustrated surveyed 239 players and asked them to name the most overrated, and Owens finished first. Owens got 14 percent of the vote, far ahead of the rest of the pack.

Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo came in second at 7 percent, Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez and Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth tied for third at 5 percent and Giants quarterback Eli Manning came in fifth at 4 percent.

In my opinion, Owens' peers are wrong on this one. Owens has 31 catches for 476 yards this season, which puts him on pace to finish the season with 99 catches for 1,523 yards. He's one of the most productive wide receivers in the NFL.

And it's hard to say a guy is overrated when NFL teams' rating of him was so low that he had an extremely hard time getting a job this offseason when he was an unrestricted free agent. It wasn't until the start of training camp that Owens finally signed a contract with the Bengals, a contract that Owens himself has described as "basically like I'm playing for free."

If anything, Owens might be underrated.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Went to a Breaking Down the Washington Redskins
analysis from some guy on a Bears blog. Had to chuckle at this one:

When Carlos Rogers and LaRon Landry get an opportunity to intercept the ball, they intercept the ball.


Maybe he's getting CR22 mixed up with DHall.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

dpc2003, also look at who the Giants have played so far.

Carolina - Turnover prone
Chicago - giving up a ton of sacks
Houston - minus their starting LT.
Detroit - playing with 3rd string QB most of the game.

Do you think this might have something to do with Osi's numbers?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:23 AM |

PP, I agree entirely with your breakdown. I believe in their matchup v. Houston, they also played against a gimpy Andre Johnson (as did the Cowpies) thanks to the Redskins.

My humble opinion is that the NFC East team with the strongest O-line, wins. I know there are other factors, but that's the one that I have been taught to vector in on after watching my beloved Redskins and their patchwork O-lines of seasons past.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Actually, my top 5 most overrated NFL players would look like this:

Eli Manning
Tony Romo
Albert Haynesworth
Mark Sanchez
Marko Mitchell

Just threw in that last one to see if you're paying attention...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

concussions: It seems to me almost anytime these players make these crushing hits they could probably strip or take away the ball instead. Or, at least go for the ball while making an easy tackle.

thoughts?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Compare Orakpo with Umenyiora: 8 sacks and 7 forced fumbles vs 5 sacks and 1 forced fumble. Umenyiora is getting there quickly while the QB is still trying to throw the ball, which accounts for the forced fumbles.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2010 11:04 AM

I think Rak is having a great year. You are also forgetting to factor in the 5,876 holding flags that he has drawn thus far.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | October 20, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

concussions: It seems to me almost anytime these players make these crushing hits they could probably strip or take away the ball instead. Or, at least go for the ball while making an easy tackle.

thoughts?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 11:32 AM |

At the risk of sounding like Al Bundy, I was a LB and DE as a little-league and HS player. My coaches always urged us to put our helmet on the ball.

Nothing like blowing someone up, legally and w/o contact to their head and seeing the ball go flying out at the same time.

B O O M !

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21 @ 11:20 AM,
You make a good point. But it's still a team effort, because you don't see rushers coming at PManning unabated, and his receivers are in the right places.

There were a couple of A gap blitzes where McNabb was still in his drop and it looked like he was doing the cha cha with the defender in the backfield.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

No one is rating AH or even talking about him really. A 5% vote seems about right to me.

Eli is too low on that list. IMO he is #1 overrated. Romo #2. Flacco cracks the top 5 also.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I"m sure VelosORAKPO's numbers would be better if 1) there was any pressure from the middle.. too bad this SJKhole won't play. and %) if he weren't wearing tackles like a cheap suit.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 20, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

concussions: It seems to me almost anytime these players make these crushing hits they could probably strip or take away the ball instead. Or, at least go for the ball while making an easy tackle.

thoughts?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 11:32 AM

Actually, the best breakdown I've heard is that this wave of hard hits is a by-product of the NFL making rules so hard on defenses. Guys can't touch a receiver after 5 yards, can't touch the QB, can't can't can't. So they're left with the alternative to try and blow a guy up to separate him from the ball...or his senses so that he'll think twice before coming in your zone. So in that sense, the NFL is reaping what it sowed in its attempt at driving scoring up.

If you slow up and try to pat at the ball, you'll get trucked. The defense is doing what it has to and the NFL is taking THAT away too. Pretty soon, the game will just be 7-on-7 drills.

Funny thing about all this controversy is that the people most outraged by the hits are people that have never played a down of competitive football. Players all seem to be fine with the way things are. As usual in this day and age, it's much ado about nothing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 20, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

dpc2003, also look at who the Giants have played so far.

Carolina - Turnover prone
Chicago - giving up a ton of sacks
Houston - minus their starting LT.
Detroit - playing with 3rd string QB most of the game.

Do you think this might have something to do with Osi's numbers?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:23 AM
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absolutely it does...what did he do against Indy?..they got crushed in that game..the Giants suck

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

concussions: It seems to me almost anytime these players make these crushing hits they could probably strip or take away the ball instead. Or, at least go for the ball while making an easy tackle.

thoughts?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 11:32 AM |

At the risk of sounding like Al Bundy, I was a LB and DE as a little-league and HS player. My coaches always urged us to put our helmet on the ball.

Nothing like blowing someone up, legally and w/o contact to their head and seeing the ball go flying out at the same time.

B O O M !

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

that's the way to do it! and the DBs or "skilled" players could just rip the ball out with only a minor collision.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

dpc2003, also look at who the Giants have played so far.

Carolina - Turnover prone
Chicago - giving up a ton of sacks
Houston - minus their starting LT.
Detroit - playing with 3rd string QB most of the game.

Do you think this might have something to do with Osi's numbers?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 20, 2010 11:23 AM
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absolutely it does...what did he do against Indy?..they got crushed in that game..the Giants suck

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2010 11:42 AM |

Agreed. Can't wait to play the G-Spots.

I am predicting Landry to separate Brandon Jacobs from the ball.....and his helmet and his wannabe, badass perception of himself.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I am predicting Landry to separate Brandon Jacobs from the ball.....and his helmet and his wannabe, badass perception of himself.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:48 AM

Minus the ball and helmet part...London Fletcher accomplished this last year. He's never been the same player since.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Question for everyone concerning the helmet to helmet issue:

If the league is so concerned about helmet to helmet hits, what will they do about RB's? They consistently initiate contact with their helmet when they make themselves a battering ram while finishing off a run.

Reminds me of the facemask rule, where a D player gets 15 yards for holding it even for a moment now, but many offensive players will grab it while fending off tackles (Emmitt Smith used it as his bread and butter), and there is almost never a facemask called. Heck, isn't that illegal hands to the head also? Sure looks dangerous to me when a cornerback has his head jacked straight back and he's watching the clouds as he attempts to tackle a player.

The more I look at this, the more hypocritical garbage it really is.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Tony Romo = Overrated NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if there's any interesting news regarding the Redskins right now.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I am predicting Landry to separate Brandon Jacobs from the ball.....and his helmet and his wannabe, badass perception of himself.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:48 AM

Minus the ball and helmet part...London Fletcher accomplished this last year. He's never been the same player since.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 20, 2010 11:51 AM |

I specifically remember that. Wasn't that game 1? You think that hit changed BJ from that moment on? Interesting.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Goes to show how a guys attitude can effect other aspects of how he is viewed.

I agree, he isn't overrated, but compared to what he thinks of himself he is.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Minus the ball and helmet part...London Fletcher accomplished this last year. He's never been the same player since.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 20, 2010 11:51 AM |
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excellent point..i thought i was the only one to notice that......

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I am predicting Landry to separate Brandon Jacobs from the ball.....and his helmet and his wannabe, badass perception of himself.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:48 AM

Minus the ball and helmet part...London Fletcher accomplished this last year. He's never been the same player since.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I hope Landry doesn't go renegade and try to pay Jacobs back for 2 years ago when Landry looked like a p*ssy for getting run over by Jacobs.

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Tony Romo = Overrated NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 11:53 AM

Nice fantasy QB...gets some chicks...think he's more of a DORK.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Giants have played the very easy part of there schedule to start, and they got killed by the two good teams they played. They did beat Houston but they have some very tough games coming up including all 6 division games.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if there's any interesting news regarding the Redskins right now.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Naw, can't be. Otherwise all of the NERDS and GENIUSES working at WaPo RI would be all over it, leaving no stone unturned!

Posted by: monk811 | October 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I specifically remember that. Wasn't that game 1? You think that hit changed BJ from that moment on? Interesting.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 11:55 AM
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it did..he's been tip-toeing ever since..i mean he's just like tiny tim....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Questions as best as I can remember from other press not JReid during Shanny's press conference: Couldn't Haynesworth have helped you out? Why was he watching the game from the sideline? (he was actually in the press box). When did you decide to deactivate him? Are you comfortable he's going to be a Redskin? (after the trade deadline). Special players make big plays without practicing, why not Haynesworth? How is your football team better without Haynesworth? Any consideration to playing him because only Hayneswoth can make plays.

Then here are Reid's questions. Can he get reps, up to speed in time for the next game? Then at the end, Reid said he was writing a deadline and didn't watch the game last night, but proceeded to ask him a question and I don't remember what that question was. No matter because it didn't amount to anything.

His appearance on WPL is equally inept and filled with things we already know. Please somebody, this guy has got to go.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 20, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The Giants have played the very easy part of there schedule to start, and they got killed by the two good teams they played.

Posted by: Flounder21

Thats why when you get a scrub team(Rams)you treat'em like a scrub team.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's judge Haynesworth's value in Fedex beer prices – always a good measure.

Formula: $32,000,000.00 / $7.00 = 4,571,429 beers / 91,704 seats = 50 beers / 8 games = 6 Fedex beers per fan per game.

Result: Haynesworth should be playing or buying.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | October 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The Giants have played the very easy part of there schedule to start, and they got killed by the two good teams they played. They did beat Houston but they have some very tough games coming up including all 6 division games.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 11:59 AM |

Which is why I will be rooting for the jints to beat the cowturds this week. The jints will be shown for who they really are once they get to the tough part of their schedule.

Plus I could never bring myself to root for the cowturds. Ever.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Where Are They Now?" featuring Otis Wonsley
fixed it for ya....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2010 10:26 AM

Larry Michael actually got you beat on this one. He had Herb Mul-Key on Redskins Nation this morning (rerun for yesterday afternoon I assume).

He’s doing fine by the way.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Four and a half million beers...hahaha

Posted by: PlayAction | October 20, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason, How about writing that the Raiders are willing to trade back Jason Campbell to the Redskins for a Doug Fresh 1998 demo tape & a pair of Chuck Brown tickets at the Rams Heads next month !

Posted by: Raidersfan2 | October 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason, How about writing that the Raiders are willing to trade back Jason Campbell to the Redskins for a Doug Fresh 1998 demo tape & a pair of Chuck Brown tickets at the Rams Heads next month !

Posted by: Raidersfan2 | October 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12

they make exceptions for RBs their tacklers, as well as, lineman in the trenches.

but, I think it's B.S. too. If they really wanted to stop it, just start throwing flags in the pre-season. that's light a fire under every player and coach AND give them a month to adjust w/o affecting regular season games.

to "crack down" week 7 of 2010.....c'mon man

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Rocky Mac beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's judge Haynesworth's value in Fedex beer prices – always a good measure.

Formula: $32,000,000.00 / $7.00 = 4,571,429 beers / 91,704 seats = 50 beers / 8 games = 6 Fedex beers per fan per game.

Result: Haynesworth should be playing or buying.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | October 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

so he's paid for in the first quarter of every game

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Translation: Tennessee offered a conditional 7th round pick in 2020.

Posted by: randysbailin | October 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

since they kept him, go ahead and play him

Posted by: miked4 | October 20, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

RE: Haynesworth situation. Sorry, but it isn't a dead issue at all. Of course everyone is sick of it, because it's a pathetic situation, but it is still compelling drama. A huge contract gone bust, along with 3 huge egos (AH, Shanahan, Snyder). Of course its a soap opera. If you don't like it, turn it off. There are at least 11 more weeks of it, then the offseason.

RE: McNabb. He isn't signed yet because there is no rush. What if he gets a fat deal and then blows out his knee? Let him earn his money. I guarantee, if he gets the Redskins to the playoffs, he'll get PAID. If the Skins go 5-11, he won't. We'll get a cheaper vet and draft a rookie.

Posted by: McLobo | October 20, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I had secretly wished the headlines would read: "Hanesworth traded to Buffalo" (for undisclosed late round picks in 2011 & 2012-take your mittens with you when you leave Albert) Jeff Fisher hasn't been in his position, and as successful as he has been by screwing up like, "Vinny the Dolt".

Posted by: MTalleyMon | October 20, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. The Titans were interested in raping the Skins for Fat Al. Shanny figures he can raise his perceived value by playing him the rest of the year. Somebody will eventually make a reasonable offer in the off-season.

Posted by: shanks1 | October 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

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