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More on Albert Haynesworth's failed conditioning tests

Following practice Friday afternoon, Redskins strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright provided details about the conditioning test that Albert Haynesworth has now failed twice.

Wright confirmed that the conditioning test consisted of two 300-yard shuttle runs broken into 25-yard increments, with three and a half minutes rest between the two repetitions.

Haynesworth is required to run 25 yards, touch his foot on the line and run 25 yards back a total of six times. For offensive and defensive linemen, the first run must be completed in 70 seconds or less and the second set in less than 73 seconds, Wright said.

Haynesworth failed Friday's test because he ran the first leg in 71 seconds. Because he missed his first mark, there was no need to run the second set.

According to Wright, Haynesworth failed Thursday's test because he did not complete the runs in the allotted time after being forced to restart due to a long bathroom break.

"What happened the other day was he ran the first rep and then he had to use the restroom," Wright said. "You get three and a half minutes; he was gone close to 10. So I gave Albert the option, 'Do you want to run this again?' My suggestion was, let's just wait until the morning. He wanted to run it again, so we ran it again. So you get three reps as opposed to the two that it normally takes."

Asked if he felt Haynesworth would have passed without the bathroom break, Wright said, "He might have." Wright also said Haynesworth would not have been required to start the test over if he had returned within three and a half minutes.

"No, he could've gone and ate a hamburger if he came back in three and a half minutes, he was ready to run," Wright said.

Haynesworth is the only player on the team that had to take the test, according to both Wright and Coach Mike Shanahan. Wright said it was not a Haynesworth-specific test, but that he was the only player who did not meet a 50-percent attendance mark during the offseason.

"The guys that were under 50-percent [attendance] were notified, 'You got to get over 50 percent or there's going to be a test,'" Wright said. "Andre Carter was close, Rocky McIntosh was close, so we let them know. They're over 50 percent [attendance]. Our team was so high, we're 90.4 as a team, so no one was in danger of having to do a test."

Wright did confirm Shanahan's comments on Thursday that players ran the test as part of their conditioning workout during the offseason.

Defensive lineman Phillip Daniels said on Friday that the test becomes more difficult to pass the more times a player has to do it because it is taxing on the legs. Wright, however, disagreed and said he believes Haynesworth is learning more about how to complete the run.

"There's a pace you have to have, a certain tempo each 25 yards, and I expect him to pass it pretty soon," Wright said. "I don't know when, I can't give you tomorrow or two days, but once he familiarizes himself with it I think he'll pass."

According to Wright, Haynesworth will next take the test tomorrow morning.

By Paul Tenorio  |  July 30, 2010; 12:37 PM ET
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If at FIRST you don't succeed, try, try again!

Posted by: Predator48 | July 30, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Anybody want to bash Haynesworth for at least attempting to run the thing a second time on Thursday after being given the option to just bag it and try the next day?

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will never pass this test & it's time for Shanny to give in tomorrow. It's a mental test more than a physical test & Shanny wants to make sure that Albert is here to compete. Albert needs to just show a good attitude about this & realize it will be over soon... it's just a hazing... He needs to not make anymore comments to the press like he did last night.

Posted by: tony325 | July 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's a document explaining the drill and times a little bit too.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:cU-lmTcq51UJ:web.wm.edu/speedstrength/Exercise%2520Technique/300%2520shuttle.pdf+300+yard+shuttle+test+times&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESihW8vrsu5RDrG2qTc5d0_aX2gmAgK2SDZM39ulBjmTgq3O6Ea1aUP4qGZeG40XhXBfXsZJx6p3kWWfXBwVuCCJVC4EXv98ak4diSfWGXfwxFiOfxGbsot3CoCG8SqFyQOVYJSJ&sig=AHIEtbQnjNaZQr6k4rhR9sr1dVa4ztMLXQ

The Redskins made this one a little harder by only allowing a 3 and a half minute rest as opposed to 5, but the times are also much slower.

Also, it's kind of stupid for the Redskins to make Haynesworth wait a full day before taking the test again. 71 seconds of sprints in the morning is not going to preclude Haynesworth from being able to complete the test in the afternoon if he feels fit enough to try again.

Sounds like AH just mispaced himself this morning.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Is there anything else happening at camp?

Posted by: wireman65 | July 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"No, he could've gone and ate a hamburger if he came back in three and a half minutes, he was ready to run," Wright said.

Oh my god...don't give big fella any ideas coach.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Today's afternoon practice is already completed? It's only 12:50.

Posted by: NCICURN | July 30, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This confirms that Shanny is not doing this just to be a dick.

Albert will pass it soon enough and get to work.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Also, it's kind of stupid for the Redskins to make Haynesworth wait a full day before taking the test again. 71 seconds of sprints in the morning is not going to preclude Haynesworth from being able to complete the test in the afternoon if he feels fit enough to try again.

Posted by: psps23 |

Co-sign

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't know how much Don Banks knows about the Redskins but he's saying Lorenzo Alexander looks like the starter on the weakside.

This the first time I'd heard that. Wonder if Carter gets dealt if that's the case.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/07/29/redskins.postcard/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tony325 | July 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Did you miss where everyone else HAD to pass this prior to participating in OTA's?

We are trying to change the 'CP has the owners ear' / 'inmates running the asylum' culture here.

No giving to Fat Al just cause he cant and cause he whines....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This confirms that Shanny is not doing this just to be a dick.

Albert will pass it soon enough and get to work.

Posted by: Original_etrod

How does it confirm? No one else had a timed shuttle run to prove their conditioning. The possibility of 84 slobs being on the field at the beginning of training camp is not a good thing. *sigh*

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth is the only player on the team that had to take the test, according to both Wright and Coach Mike Shanahan."

"Wright did confirm Shanahan's comments on Thursday that players ran the test as part of their conditioning workout during the offseason."


Damn, these guys are good at contradicting themselves.

Posted by: 4-12 | July 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the rest of the players on the team come out and support Haynesworth the next time he runs the test. It could turn into a nice little team-bonding exercise. You'd be surprised how much easier pushing yourself can be when you've got 50 teammates watching, cheering, and yelling at you to keep it up.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse
cosign

Posted by: frediefritz | July 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

At what point does AH say F this and leave?...

Posted by: gixxer998 | July 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

980 is right... they all did it back in OTA's... so ya'll hating on Shanny can STFU

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 12:42 PM
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no one said that other player weren't giving the test..the players said they weren't timed...so you STFU

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

i'll be happy when he passes and we can put this mess behind us!

Posted by: frmi | July 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Is there anything else happening at camp?

Posted by: wireman65 | July 30, 2010 12:49 PM
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not for the WaPo...they are obseesed with Hanny

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The other players ran the drill in OTA's but weren't timed.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | July 30, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"There's a pace you have to have, a certain tempo each 25 yards, and I expect him to pass it pretty soon," Wright said. "I don't know when, I can't give you tomorrow or two days, but once he familiarizes himself with it I think he'll pass."

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Calling BS. This isn't merely a conditioning test. Experience in pacing is a part of it -- so there is a 'skill' component. Albert's conditioning could be just fine, but because he doesn't know how to run it effectively, he's not passing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

According to the google doc the 71 seconds is below fair for defensive linemen. It seems like a fair test. If he did the first test in 71 seconds, I'm sure he can pass this pretty soon.

Posted by: harbirsingh | July 30, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj;

plenty were, last thread. saying shanny was doing it out of spite. so the hatin on shanny cause of what the 'reporters' said is what those who were hatin should STFU about.

And those reporters quoting the players saying that; unfortunately they left out the part where they DID do it during OTA's.

Just the spin machine.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"No, he could've gone and ate a hamburger if he came back in three and a half minutes, he was ready to run," Wright said.

Too funny. He'll pass tomorrow and celebrate by having that hamburger. LOL

Posted by: RedCherokee | July 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

My only problem with this is this statement

"There's a pace you have to have, a certain tempo each 25 yards, and I expect him to pass it pretty soon," Wright said. "I don't know when, I can't give you tomorrow or two days, but once he familiarizes himself with it I think he'll pass."

So is he in shape, but not running it right; or is he not running it right because he's not in shape. For it example, I may be able to run the 40 in 4.4 secs, but because I can't get out the blocks correctly I run in 4.5 secs.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

alternatively, if AH can eat this in under 3.5 minutes, he passes:

http://naturalpatriot.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/tall-hamburger.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

More 11-on-11 Work

After a special teams session, it was time for offense vs. defense again in 11-on-11 work.

Here are some of the highlights, coming fast and furious:

* Reed Doughty raced over to bat away a Rex Grossman pass to Anthony Armstrong.
* Willie Parker burst past the line for a nice gain. Ten yards downfield, rookie safety Anderson Russell wrapped up Parker and pulled the ball loose. Fumble, and Russell pounced on the ball for the recovery.
* Time for Richard Bartel to throw deep. His pass to the end zone bounced off the fingertips of Terrence Austin downfield. Another incompletion. Looks like the quarterbacks and wide receivers need to work on their timing on deep throws.
* On the Bartel pass, Clinton Portis leveled a blitzing Rob Jackson in the backfield, keeping him away from the quarterback.
* New right tackle Jammal Brown pushed an oncoming Brian Orakpo around the edge and past Donovan McNabb in the pocket. The block allowed McNabb to get off a pass downfield.
* Next play, Lorenzo Alexander and Orakpo blitzed around the edges and immediately pressured McNabb in the pocket. Surrounded by defenders, McNabb eluded them by scrambling up the middle for a modest gain.
* Devin Thomas makes a nice sideline grab of a Rex Grossman pass. He caught the ball in front of Justin Tryon, who got up and clapped his hands in frustration.
* Jeremy Jarmon got late pressure on Grossman and would have had a sack. Grossman eventually got off a pass downfield to Mike Furrey.
* On a run up the middle, Stephon Heyer pushed rookie linebacker Perry Riley back five yards downfield, helping to open up a hole for running back Ryan Torain.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


@gtown85

84 84 84 84 84 84 = hypocrisy hypocrisy hypocrisy

Punch yourself in the face as instructed by diesel44 and just go away !

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the rest of the players on the team come out and support Haynesworth the next time he runs the test. It could turn into a nice little team-bonding exercise. You'd be surprised how much easier pushing yourself can be when you've got 50 teammates watching, cheering, and yelling at you to keep it up.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Why should the rest of the players rally around him when he wasn't there to rally around the other players when they were going through these drills in minicamps?

Haynesworth needs cheerleaders to get this done? What is he, a child?

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | July 30, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Running Backs

Heavy emphasis on the ground game in the Redskins’ first series of 11-on-11 work, giving fans a close look at the competition between Clinton Portis, Willie Parker and Larry Johnson.

First play, Johnson breaks to the left and weaves past blockers for a nice gain. He fends off Kareem Moore and races downfield to the end zone, drawing cheers from fans.

Johnson is a very physical runner. He uses his upper body and his arms like no other running back I’ve seen before.

Second play, Parker breaks free on a run to the right. He flashed speed and then danced along the sideline to pick up a few more yards.

Third play, Portis gets the tough yards. He goes on a run up the middle and is surrounded by tacklers.

Later, Mike Sellers helped open a gaping hole up the middle, giving Portis plenty of room to charge through the line for a nice gain.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Calling BS. This isn't merely a conditioning test. Experience in pacing is a part of it -- so there is a 'skill' component. Albert's conditioning could be just fine, but because he doesn't know how to run it effectively, he's not passing.

Posted by: zcezcest1"

That's true, but it happens a lot all over sports. Unfortunately, it's difficult to do a pure conditioning test without the aspect of "skill" being involved.

In college, one of the fitness tests my team ran was 3 miles in 18 minutes. A lot guys couldn't pass. But if you took those same guys and put them on a treadmill, set the pace to 3 miles in 18 minutes, and told them to stay on -- they would make it just fine. They just couldn't do it when they had to pace themselves on a track for 12 laps.

It's partially skill (pacing), partially mental toughness (pushing yourself to the limit, knowing you only need to pass a certain time), and partially conditioning.

I suspect Haynesworth is in fine shape. Yesterday, it was reported that he "killed" the first shuttle. Today, he overcompensated by trying to save energy for the second shuttle. Stupid mistake, but I think he'll be fine tomorrow.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

McNabb Goes Deep

Donovan McNabb likes to throw deep. A lot.

Both of his passes in the first series of 11-on-11 work were deep throws.

First McNabb threw long to Santana Moss, who had a step on a defender. The pass was overthrown.

A few plays later, McNabb threw deep to Anthony Armstrong, who also was a step open downfield. The ball bounced off of Armstrong’s fingertips, again overthrown.

Clearly McNabb needs to get his timing down with his new receivers.

On the last play of 11-on-11 work, McNabb rolled right. He connected with Fred Davis along the sideline for his first completion.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

No giving to Fat Al just cause he cant and cause he whines....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse
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Like I said, he needs to have a better attitude about it... See everyone here made a big deal about Albert in the off season about his demands & blah blah blah... The Redskins always had the upper hand because he had no choice but to show up unless he wanted to forgo his money, which the Redskins would of happily obliged & taken back a huge portion of his contract.

The truth is, Albert missed 1 mandatory mini-camp & the NFL should fine coaches for punishing players for "Voluntary Workouts". I work for a company that runs a lot of "Volunteer" situations. Well, I don't work for free & I don't give 2 craps what anyone thinks because I won't participate. My life, my time, is worth more to me than anything in this world. Of course, there is no recourse because I won't participate & nobody has ever tried to force me.

So, Albert knew the Redskins could only fine him $10,000 for missing the mandatory & he chose to forfeit it, but he showed up 35 lbs lighter & was in direct contact with his Def Coord for weeks leading up to training camp. I would guess he wasn't in shape yet & didn't want to disappoint, so he continued to work on his own... obviously, he should of worked more on his cardio. If your going to give a test, the test needs to be a reachable goal. You think Kemoeatu would pass this test in this century?

Posted by: tony325 | July 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, the Banks article had some interesting points and a few anecdotes that others missed, the most notable to me was this:

During most of practice Haynesworth was inside the team's weight room on the treadmill, but he did spend 20-30 minutes outside working on his techniques with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and defensive line coach Jacob Burney.

Good to see Albert is making use of his time when he's done failing the shuttle test.

Banks comments on Carter are the same speculation that has come up before. If he doesn't make the transition, what do you do with him. Nothing new. Banks has no better clue than anyone else on which former Cal Bear gets the OLB job.

I'm always amazed at what some people buy into. Banks says observers are telling him that Donovan has already proven he can make throws that Jason Campbell never dreamed of. Based on mini camp? Seriously? Nothing ever is "proven" in the offseason. If you want to make that statement based on years of watching both QBs play in regular season games, go for it. But to make that comment based on mini camp and the like? BS.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

84 84 84 84 84 84 = hypocrisy hypocrisy hypocrisy

Punch yourself in the face as instructed by diesel44 and just go away !

Posted by: hessone

Refrain from commenting on subject matter which is beyond the scope of your intellect (as instructed) !

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Johnson is a very physical runner. He uses his upper body and his arms like no other running back I’ve seen before.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

London Fletcher was on the radio talking about LJ, and he was saying that LJ just runs mean, he said probably the most violent runner he has seen. Looking to hurt someone.


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

This the first time I'd heard that. Wonder if Carter gets dealt if that's the case.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 30, 2010 12:53 PM

Jason Reid posted this up here late yesterday afternoon.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

For it example, I may be able to run the 40 in 4.4 secs, but because I can't get out the blocks correctly I run in 4.5 secs.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 1:04 PM

You can run a 4.4? What are your measurements? How is your route running? We might have a spot for you....

Posted by: HokiesSkins | July 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

First McNabb threw long to Santana Moss, who had a step on a defender. The pass was overthrown.

A few plays later, McNabb threw deep to Anthony Armstrong, who also was a step open downfield. The ball bounced off of Armstrong’s fingertips, again overthrown.

Clearly McNabb needs to get his timing down with his new receivers.

On the last play of 11-on-11 work, McNabb rolled right. He connected with Fred Davis along the sideline for his first completion.

Posted by: Zeebs1

sounds like the QB we had last year ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth is the only player on the team that had to take the test, according to both Wright and Coach Mike Shanahan."

"Wright did confirm Shanahan's comments on Thursday that players ran the test as part of their conditioning workout during the offseason."


Damn, these guys are good at contradicting themselves.


Posted by: 4-12


Contradict and then some... See this is where my beefs comes in. If all the other linemen had to do the exact same thing under the exact stipulations, then I have no problem with what Shanahan is making Albert do.


But if this is some cooked up pissing contest, or a way of Shanahan flexing his muscle then I really don't see the point in it. Okay, he wants to make a point that he is the "God HC", okay, duly noted. I just don't see how keeping this Haynesworth drama going is good for anybody.


That is all I'm saying. All I ever was saying. I've always been of the mind that Albert needed to be here with the other guys and that he was wrong in telling Shanahan he'll be at the mandatory workout just to collect his 21 million. Never once have I defended Haynesworth.

Unless questioning the God HC = Defending Haynesworth

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

McNabb Goes Short

In the next series of 11-on-11 work, the offense focused on shorter routes.

Donovan McNabb excelled throwing a pair of short outside routes to Fred Davis.

McNabb and Davis seem to have developed quick rapport on the field.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

NFLPA closely monitoring Haynesworth situation

Posted by Mike Florio on July 30, 2010 12:51 PM ET

With Redskins coach Mike Shanahan arguably punishing defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth for failing to participate in the team's voluntary offseason program, the next question becomes when -- or if -- the NFL Players Association will get involved.

The Collective Bargaining Agreement prevents retaliation against players who opt not to volunteer to work for free (but for the per diem) in the offseason, and the union has been much more aggressive of late in taking on abuses of the offseason workout rules.

As to Haynesworth, an NFLPA source tells us that the union is monitoring the situation closely, but that no action will be taken at this time.

Dispute somewhat popular misconceptions that the union can push a grievance without the affected player's approval or involvement, nothing can happen unless the player initiates the process.

Currently, it's unknown whether Haynesworth will file a grievance regarding Shanahan's tactics. But nothing about this situation will surprise us, and at this point anything other than further escalation would be an upset.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

But if this is some cooked up pissing contest, or a way of Shanahan flexing his muscle then I really don't see the point in it. Okay, he wants to make a point that he is the "God HC", okay, duly noted. I just don't see how keeping this Haynesworth drama going is good for anybody.


That is all I'm saying. All I ever was saying. I've always been of the mind that Albert needed to be here with the other guys and that he was wrong in telling Shanahan he'll be at the mandatory workout just to collect his 21 million. Never once have I defended Haynesworth.

Unless questioning the God HC = Defending Haynesworth

Posted by: RedDMV

Logic will get you nowhere with this bunch, ReDMV! Lol!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

More Signs For Williams

Trent Williams celebrated the signing of his rookie contract on Friday by signing dozens of autographs for fans.

He was carrying DeAngelo Hall's helmet and pads coming off the practice field.

Looks like there's no Dez Bryant-type controversy coming from Williams, who said he didn't mind doing chores for veterans.

"I can carry pads all day," he said.
-- 11:05 a.m. ET

More Haynesworth

It was confirmed that Haynesworth did not pass his conditioning test on Friday morning.

Just like Thursday afternoon, Haynesworth emerged from the weight room after the Redskins’ practice and worked with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and defensive line coach Jacob Burney.

The focus is on drills and instructing Haynesworth on technique.

After the 30-minute session, Haynesworth headed into the facility. A pack of reporters followed him closely. He did not respond to questions.

Haynesworth did stop to sign a handful of autographs again.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Why should the rest of the players rally around him when he wasn't there to rally around the other players when they were going through these drills in minicamps?"

Because that's what teammates do for each other. The goal is to have the best team possible, not throw a hissy-fit like feuding 12 year old girls. The team wants Haynesworth on the field and playing in top shape, not sitting on the sideline learning how to run 300-yard shuttles.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

TWISI;

Florio is approaching Jla Territory....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

[from pft] Currently, it's unknown whether Haynesworth will file a grievance regarding Shanahan's tactics. But nothing about this situation will surprise us, and at this point anything other than further escalation would be an upset.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

File a grievance because the coach holds you out of camp practices? Come again?

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 30, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with the pacing aspect of this test. If Albert comes out and runs a 63 and then cant' run a 70 three and half minutes later. He is out of condition - specifically his speed endurance. The suggestion is that if he would've coasted that last 10 or 15 yards thus running in 68 or 70 seconds. Then perhaps his tanked would've filled in time for the next run.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Its early zeke, give it some time. JC was doing that in preseason games... that should have been a clue...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

But if this is some cooked up pissing contest, or a way of Shanahan flexing his muscle then I really don't see the point in it. Okay, he wants to make a point that he is the "God HC", okay, duly noted. I just don't see how keeping this Haynesworth drama going is good for anybody.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 30, 2010 1:14 PM

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The goal is to have the best team possible, not throw a hissy-fit like feuding 12 year old girls. The team wants Haynesworth on the field and playing in top shape, not sitting on the sideline learning how to run 300-yard shuttles.

Posted by: psps23 | July 30, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

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Well said guys.

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I noticed you didn't address my comment about not knowing if a single player is in shape. Your silence is deafening!

Further, the hard work comes when he's on the field pushing, shoving, hitting, tackling, etc. for a couple hours. Conversely, that conditioning test probably takes all of 10-15 minutes. Think, man!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


"I had assumed that you knew the answer. You must have missed Shanahan's answer to that very question when he said that the guys who showed up for the workouts were in shape because he saw it.

I feel like Shanahan in dealing with you. Do your own homework before you ask dumb questions."

Posted by: johnfchick1 | July 30, 2010 12:47 PM

The fog still has not lifted. I said IS in shape (meaning now), not WAS in shape (meaning month(s) ago)! The players themselves said that they were never timed when they did this drill in the offseason and they certainly were not timed at the beginning of training camp, so Shanahan has no way of quantifying what shape they're in now! Yet, he badly needs to quantify what type of shape AH is in NOW. He's willing to eyeball it with everyone else but AH.

Pull your head out of...,er,...the sand and breathe!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid posted this up here late yesterday afternoon.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Must have missed it between the Haynesworth posts.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 30, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bangkokben | July 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This would jibe with the 'killed it' for the first test yest... he is over extending himself during the first one

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | July 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

at least he signed some autographs.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs - thanks for those updates on camp.

I know its really really early days, but does this sound promising for the run game or what?

I thought Larry Johnson would still have some power but this sounds great. And as to Willie Parker I was convinced he had lost all his speed and would end up being little more tha camp fodder.

If Parker (and Torrain) have/can overcome leg injuries (severe in Torrains case) and get it done with a reportedly in shape Portis and still powerful Johnson our rushing attack could be very deep and very good.

And of course run blocking comes easier for a line learning to work with each other and for inexperienced players.

Posted by: craig81 | July 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Why should the rest of the players rally around him when he wasn't there to rally around the other players when they were going through these drills in minicamps?

Haynesworth needs cheerleaders to get this done? What is he, a child?

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | July 30, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The point has been made that MS is in charge. Now it is time to build esprit d'corp. Players all know they are a better D with AH in the mix.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tony325

I work for a company that runs a lot of "Volunteer" situations. Well, I don't work for free & I don't give 2 craps what anyone thinks because I won't participate. My life, my time, is worth more to me than anything in this world. Of course, there is no recourse because I won't participate & nobody has ever tried to force me.

Before I comment, is this volunteer work for improving your community or could you elaborate on what this "volunteer" work is for

Posted by: oldtimer4 | July 30, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

For the ones thinking Shanahan is treating Haynesworth unfairly.....

Do you use that same logic to question John Harbaugh?

Terrence Cody had to run it 3 times before he passed.

Think about that and how the media wasnt all over that like they are this.

The situation is basically the same. The media is blowing this out of proportion, and you are all eating it up.


Stop for a second, pull your emotions out of it, and look at it for what it is.


A common test that is being run by other NFL teams and other people fail it as well.

And for all of you quoting Florio(aka pot stirrer) you are suckers. He is a tabloid writer and you eat it up and spit it back out as truth.

Notice he says the NFLPA is monitoring the situation, were they monitoring Terrance Cody's as well?

He failed it twice....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 30, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

TWISI;

Florio is approaching Jla Territory....

Posted by: Zeebs1

Yeah, I wonder if Florio called the NFLPA the way LaCanfora tried to drop the dime on us by calling the league office.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 30, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

New thread.... with headline this time

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So if my quick calculations are correct, They want him to run 0.17 miles in 71 seconds, a total of two times. Maintaining this pace for an entire mile would be about a 7 minute mile, which I could run in middle school and I'm pretty average as an athlete. This guy makes 21 mil in bonus alone this year and he cant run this?!

Am I missing something here? Is my math off on this? This sounds like an average high school football practice. And after two days Haynesworth is saying he's tired of it? Deangelo doesn't think other players could pass this? That is amazing to me. I rewatched "Rudy" last week and it made me sad. I can't picture that kid saying to people "I'm tired of this ****" after two days of running 0.17 miles. MAN UP ALBERT. I am starting to think he just starved himself and lost muscle instead of fat, just so he wouldn't have to play NT. I hope he passes the test soon and gets on the field. Someone tell me if I'm misunderstanding how easy this sounds.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 30, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse


gtown85 = snore

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse


Haynesworth did stop to sign a handful of autographs again.

Posted by: Zeebs1

Did anyone expect anything different from this moron ?

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's the big point I am getting out of all of this: If Jim Zorn had instituted this test, and Albert Haynesworth had failed once. Haynesworth would have gone to Snyder and demanded to be exempted from having to re-take it. And Snyder would have granted Haynesworth the exemption -- and probably reprimanded Zorn for embarrassing him this way.

The fact that going to Snyder is clearly not even a thought with Shanahan in charge is pretty refreshing to me... if not Haynesworth.

Posted by: noslok | July 30, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So if my quick calculations are correct, They want him to run 0.17 miles in 71 seconds, a total of two times. Maintaining this pace for an entire mile would be about a 7 minute mile, which I could run in middle school and I'm pretty average as an athlete. This guy makes 21 mil in bonus alone this year and he cant run this?!

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Ihe test is a LOT harder than just running 300 yards in 71 seconds. You have to run 25 yards 12 times and each time turn around around 25 yards. The turn around takes time cause you have to slow down each time. This is not as easy as you are making it seem. If it was just a plain old 300 yard run it would be MUCH easier.

Posted by: Skins2619 | July 30, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

T. Williams was home on the couch waiting to be signed. Shouldn't a rookie also be given a conditioning test once he signs? Also Shanny may want to be careful, Danny Boy may have given him the keys to the Maybach but I bet if he scratches it he'll take them back. (By that I mean the team)

Posted by: I_95 | July 30, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

hessone = deep coma with no salient brain wave activity

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

why don't the skins give ah a special olympics style test so he can pass it. Did he have to pass this thing when he was with the titans?

Posted by: firemetalrat | July 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Sean Connery and "The Hill" comes to mind. Maybe tomorrow, maybe never for Haynesworth, regardless this physical, psychological battle of will is hilarious. Play on!

Posted by: xanthem | July 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

After the 30-minute session, Haynesworth headed into the facility. A pack of reporters followed him closely. He did not respond to questions.

Haynesworth did stop to sign a handful of autographs again.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 30, 2010 1:17 PM
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Good job Haney...ignore those crabs a$$ reporters...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's the big point I am getting out of all of this: If Jim Zorn had instituted this test, and Albert Haynesworth had failed once. Haynesworth would have gone to Snyder and demanded to be exempted from having to re-take it. And Snyder would have granted Haynesworth the exemption -- and probably reprimanded Zorn for embarrassing him this way.

The fact that going to Snyder is clearly not even a thought with Shanahan in charge is pretty refreshing to me... if not Haynesworth.

Posted by: noslok | July 30, 2010 1:43 PM |
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and you concluded this because?....you no nothing of what Haney woulda or coulda done...you sound like that f'd up mayor of RI...just making assuptions trying to pass it off as fact....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Can no body speek on AH behaf. He be doing his best to complete the requier task. If no body knows what the drils needs.
if i was AH i be getting the heck out of here dont noby appreciet his effort for the team. I be hoping he dont pass test as it is not fair the mistreatmant he be going thru and humeliation fell bad for AH.
Stop hating

Posted by: Incognito00 | July 30, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Can no body speek on AH behaf. He be doing his best to complete the requier task. If no body knows what the drils needs.
if i was AH i be getting the heck out of here dont noby appreciet his effort for the team. I be hoping he dont pass test as it is not fair the mistreatmant he be going thru and humeliation fell bad for AH.
Stop hating

Posted by: Incognito00 | July 30, 2010 2:28 PM

It was a nice post the first two times, hessone.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Albert needs a new personal trainer. The one he has been using doesn't seem to know what "being in shape" means.

Posted by: hglospie | July 30, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan = 2 Super Bowl rings

Haynesworth = 0

Nuff said.

Posted by: kreator6996 | July 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This is comical. Some of you cats must go straight to posting and not read the articles at all. Anybody fully healthy who went through 50% of OTA's did this conditioning drill. Albert did not, so he's doing it now. Fat Boy will pass it when he passes it, then get to practice. You may now unbunch your panties.

Posted by: walkdwalk | July 30, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

This is comical. Some of you cats must go straight to posting and not read the articles at all. Anybody fully healthy who went through 50% of OTA's did this conditioning drill. Albert did not, so he's doing it now. Fat Boy will pass it when he passes it, then get to practice. You may now unbunch your panties.

Posted by: walkdwalk | July 30, 2010 3:01 PM

Were they timed like Haynesworth? The correct answer would be NO!!

Now get your act together with your...uh...undergarments.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert's flopping acts on the field last year put the LA Lakers to shame. I think Shanny is well within his rights to demand that the king of laziness and huffing and puffing meet a minimum standard. Whether or not the Fat Albert has lost 35 pounds is not an excuse to get out of this test. Losing weight does not make him fit. And, if this Yutz is to play Defensive End, he better be able to repeatedly cover 10, 15, 25 yards in a game with minimal rest.

If Fat Albert is really committed to excellence, then this conditioning test will be a mere speed bump. I am anxious to see what $21 million will buy for performance. Right now we could have had 21 Bugattis.

Posted by: laserwizard | July 30, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

gtown85, so what if they weren't timed? They showed up to Organized Team Activities so for them, it was an ACTIVITY. For Fat Al it's a TEST, how else you gonna measure it to determine if he passes or fails? That's patently ridiculous.

"Well, at least Albert didn't fall over when he touched the cones. We should pass him even if it took 20 minutes to complete."

The question you should be asking is, "Would we be talking about this nonsense if fat boy had showed up to some OTA's?" The correct answer would be NO!!

I straightened my draws out a long time ago. I suggest you do the same.

Posted by: walkdwalk | July 30, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: walkdwalk | July 30, 2010 4:15 PM

Just pointing out the flaws in your logic. AH is being tested and they were not. Glad to help you finally recognize the difference between the two. It took a while but we finally got there. Now stop talking about drawers all the time!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

There really isn't a place for "pacing" in football shape.

Pacing is for cyclists, soccer players, long-distance runners, basketball players, etc.

Football shape is attained by excruciating bursts of energy for 10 seconds followed by 45 seconds of rest. It's a WHOLE different ballgame from conditioning for other... ballgames.

I know from experience: Playing basketball all off-season, 4-6 hours, nearly daily, in the heat, does NOT get one in shape for football... which is why when I did that as an off-season workout, I came to camp and puked after the first few 100yd sprints... Right along with the guys who sat on the couch all summer.

No place for "pacing" in football. It's sprints, sprints, sprints... And endurance comes from how long you can keep repeating without puking.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's your math...

Best 100meter Sprint times are all just under 10 seconds.

Haynesworth has to run 3 times that distance.

Let's call that 30 seconds, if Haynesworth has the speed of Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, etc.

NOW, break that 300 meter distance into SIX 25 meter races, changing direction, accelerating again, etc, each time. Becomes much more difficult.

Haynesworth would have to run each 25 yard sprint an average of 11.6 seconds each.

I gotta say: He should be able to do this.

I mean, I'm sure I could. Actually, he DID do it. But, then he took a 10 minute dump.

The second leg might not sound so hard, but I'll bet it's no picnic. Still, at 11 seconds each, a guy in decent shape who has been "working out" should be able to do this.

Especially for millions of dollars.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 30, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I played football 40+ yrs ago. When I worked construction for $1.75/hr as a teenager, I did volunteer work. In college, while working and supporting 2 kids, rising at 4:00 A.M. and being lucky to go to bed by 11:00 P.M.; I did volunteer work. That's how I got a scholarship to grad school. I've got kids who work for me today that gladly do volunteer work and are eager to improve their skills. To say that a man who has a $100 Million dollar contract shouldn't be asked to show up for practice in the off-season when all his team-mates do and then say his team-mates should be supporting him is quite ludicrous.
First off; I don't care how good an athlete he is, it is ridiculous that we pay athletes so much. There are many great scientists, teachers, doctors, etc. who provide far more to the common good, who make a fraction of his contract. He has not supported his team-mates and acts like a spoiled child.

Posted by: PeterODay | July 31, 2010 4:23 AM | Report abuse

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