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Posted at 2:33 PM ET, 12/ 7/2010

Poll: Did the Redskins do the right thing with Albert Haynesworth?

By Rick Maese

By placing Albert Haynesworth on their suspended list, the Washington Redskins have opened a spot on their 53-man roster. So in addition to possibly saving $850,000 in Haynesworth's salary over the final four games and clearing a headache out of the locker room, the Redskins also will get a chance to look at another player.

Redskins players can expect to see a new face Wednesday when they gather to begin preparing for the Tampa Bay Bucs.

The team did not announce a corresponding move Tuesday. If Coach Mike Shanahan feels he needs another defensive lineman, the only option currently on the practice squad is Rob Jackson.

Because Haynesworth had been relegated to such a limited role this season -- in fact, check out Steinz for his list of Haynesworth's five worst moments-- Haynesworth might not be especially hard for coaches to replace. He didn't start any of the eight games in which he played and saw time primarily in third-down nickel packages. Coaches have other linemen who they also like in the nickel, including Vonnie Holliday and Lorenzo Alexander.

Anthony Bryant is the defensive lineman who benefited from Haynesworth's deactivation for Sunday's game against the New York Giants. He came off the bench and played nose tackle when Ma'ake Kemoeatu needed a breather, but he's not the best option for nickel formations. Bryant has been active for just two games this season.

By Rick Maese  | December 7, 2010; 2:33 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

I'll wager that the folks taking shots at Shanahan over this have never coached or been around coaching.

My dad coached football and basketball from before I was born up until about 8 years ago, so I grew up around coaches. I've seen good coaches and bad coaches up close, and have seen how they've handled various circumstances.

Shanahan has handled this in the right way. If you're trying to build a culture of accountability, you cannot make exceptions.

Some of the more ignorant fans don't care about any of that stuff as long as you can win games. Trouble is, minus accountability and the camaraderie it fosters, when adversity strikes there is nothing to fall back on, and things fall apart.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 2:33 PM

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone must be watching the video on the previous thread. I'll repost this then:

There's no other way this could have gone. Shanahan wants to change the culture of this team, a team that has gone after over-hyped stars, overpaid them, and then let then do as they wished. When Shanahan got here, Fat Albert was the shinning example of poor front office decision making. Shanahan wants accountable, hungry, coachable players. AH is none of those things. So the coach knows there's no changing the team until you do something about Haynesworth. So he tells him to fall in line. It worked for Portis, but it didn't work for Al. That was the start; this is the end. It wasn't pretty and it could have been handled better, or at least sooner, but it had to end this way. If it ends with Shanahan compromising with Haynesworth, the culture of the team never changes and the sucking continues.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 2:31 PM

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"We need another Pearl Bailey to achieve our goals."-Project For A New 'Merican Censorin'

This is a supposedly "Going For It" Team in covert rebuilding mode, to fill the seats and sell jerseys..Albert facilitated his role well, now we're jockeying for draft position...covertly , of course!! (It's the Washington way..)

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 2:20 PM

Not true. The problems in other cases is that they brought the hammer down on the "first" offense. Have you heard of progressive discipline? Why wasn't that used? Plus they had other options real man of genius. They could have traded him and got something for him however minuscule. They could have suspended him for four games earlier and deactivated him for the rest of the year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

No, they didn't do the right thing, assuming we get nothing for him.

The pats had a similar situation and walked away with a 3rd rounder. For us to get zip is an embarrassment.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

It took the McNabb incident for some to finally see through it.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 2:31 PM |

And that dud will prob be gonzo also before long. MS will get in your face if you are jaking it, even if you are Mr Smiley Face. But MS does need to take a page from the AR book of coaching. After AR benched DM he didn't say much of anything to the press about it. But he knew like MS that DM needed a wake-up slap in the face.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting fed up with all you retarded, never-been's who don't understand the word accountability one bit and probably never got any love from their broke ass parents and were fed fast food and watched cartoons deep into their twenties.

IF...you desire a culture of accountability, it's not that you don't play Haney....YOU CAN'T PLAY HANEY. Think of the flipside:

Haney is a thieving a-hole Monday through Saturday....you still go and play him on Sunday?

ARE YOU F U C K I N G RETARDED?


You can't play the a-hole or else the rest of the team will know there's no one steering the boat.

The Redskins were heroine addicts for the last 10 years plus. You don't just get through that in one off-season.

Withdrawls are painful and ugly.

Welcome to the Redskins' withdrawls.


This organization just moved one notch up on the 'respect' meter today.

Rejoice biotches.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear Diary

What a wonderful day! Had a call today from Old Coach Shanny wanting to know if I would like my old job back. It seems they have a sudden vacancy on their defensive line -- and I'm the man who can fill it.

I told him I'd love it -- that is, providing they're still serving buffalo wings at Redskin Park.

He said of course they are, and they're getting a big old platter plate of them ready just for me.

So I ask him, could I have some cheese fries with that too?

And he says, you bet! With an extra large chocolate shake and some coconut cream pie for dessert too.

So I tells him, well I don't know coach -- I might want to lay off the dessert -- what with this being the night before practice and all -- but he just laughs and laughs and tells me not to worry, we'll work it out -- just so long as I am not late for practice in the morning.

So I had better wrap this up and make my way out to Ashburn.

Will speak with you again soon. In the meantime and as always,

Your BFF!!

Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

It's not that complicated. Shanahan knows AH is a monster talent and gave him every chance to turn it around. All the folks complaining about not taking the trade offer from the Titans earlier in the year seem to miss that point.

At this point, it's not only clear that AH won't turn it around, but also that he is having a detrimental effect on team morale. Shanahan did the right thing in ensuring AH won't be in the locker room anymore.

In the modern NFL, the money is *always* an issue. AH's salary and bonus were simply so large that the team couldn't casually throw him aside in the off-season without seeing whether he could make a big contribution. I'm not saying this is anywhere near the best possible outcome, but why complain about the Skins finally getting real about AH? Some people just seem to need to complain about anything and everything.

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Even the heavyweight bloggas are crossing over to the Dark Side.

There is no Dark or Light Side.

Just what's Right and Wrong.

Both Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan had to have known the low depth of Albert Haynesworth's character prior to deciding if he should be the center of the 3-4 defense dreams.

There were trade offers before they handed him $21 million and early on this season that they ignored.

They could and should have moved him like yesterday's garbage well before OTA's last Spring, but decided, "No."

And that, now, we all know was wrong.

There is nothing right about keeping a cancerous presence when you are trying to rebuild a team.

Instead, they made a professional decision that has gone terribly wrong: and there's a tight constellation of other mistakes swirling about it.

Their idea had to be to 'win-now' with a mix of vets featuring Donovan McNabb, Clinton Portis, and Albert Haynesworth--bygone stars who in 2010 NFL are known as blackholes that used to be good.

Now, Team Shanallen stands as the authors of an NFL last place comedy that has to have folks giggling all up and down the Atlantic Seaboard.

You thought Zorn and Vinny were bad?: this situation takes more than a bakery full of cakes.

Proud redskin vets like L Fletcher and P Daniels and C Rabach and Santana Moss have to be thinking, "How did we wind up here?"

"When the plan with Shanahan was to be in a much, much better place?"

Things at the start of the Shanallen Regime have gone utterly and completely wrong.

And smart people know it'll be a long time before they ever get right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

One of the last holdovers from the Snyderrato era now gone for good. Good riddance you bum!

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 7, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

If he was deactivated for the remaining season, he would had still been allowed in the locker room and would had to have still shown up for practice.....Shanny wanted him out completely....

And get a HAm Sandwich in the Spring (7th rounder)....

In Hindsight...a trade before the deadline might have been the best option.....But hindsight is always 50/50....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 2:47 PM |

Knowing how individual personalities can and cannot be molded into a cohesive team ain't one of MS's strong points. Another coach would have seen that the dud would be trouble from the word go, espec if the D was going to switch to 3-4, and dealt him when his value was highest. There might have been some fallout from dealing a former DPOY but it wouldn't have lasted very long.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, they didn't do the right thing, assuming we get nothing for him.

The pats had a similar situation and walked away with a 3rd rounder. For us to get zip is an embarrassment.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This is why coaches shouldn't make personnel decisions. We'll get nothing for him and we'll get nothing for McNabb when he leaves.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 7, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Not true. The problems in other cases is that they brought the hammer down on the "first" offense. Have you heard of progressive discipline? Why wasn't that used? Plus they had other options real man of genius. They could have traded him and got something for him however minuscule. They could have suspended him for four games earlier and deactivated him for the rest of the year.
Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I guess you missed it when he was inactive a couple of times this year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can replace him with a big free agency splash in the offseason...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | December 7, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 2:58 P.M.

They could deactivate him and tell him to stay away from practice. That's what the Eagles did to T.O. and they won the arbitration.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I'll wager that the folks taking shots at Shanahan over this have never coached or been around coaching.

My dad coached football and basketball from before I was born up until about 8 years ago, so I grew up around coaches. I've seen good coaches and bad coaches up close, and have seen how they've handled various circumstances.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 2:33 PM

Hopefully, your dad didn't pull a Pro-Bowl QB at the end of the game and give ever-more various and comical reasons for doing it, thereby undermining his credibility.

Once a coach starts making up implausible stories about why he's taking his best players off the field, it's hard to know what to believe.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

We don't have to speculate. Shanahan made it crystal clear when he signed on that he believed the Redskins had enough talent to "win now."

That kind of bothers me, since he was supposedly watching all kinds of game film last year while taking a vacation on Pat Bowlen's dime. What was it about last year's debacle that made him think the Redskins were merely a few acquisitions away from being a contender?

The Redskins have been mismanaged for so long, pre-dating Dan Snyder's arrival, that even the best team management isn't going to turn this thing around overnight. Most importantly, both lines have to be completely rebuilt, and that will take several good drafts. Quality linemen at the critical positions rarely change teams.

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

But hindsight is always 50/50....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 2:58 PM |

As in 50% right? I heard it was 20/20 as in 100% right because with 20/20 vision you can see clearly how every option will play out and thus you will pick the right one.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

encinoman

Another coach would have seen that the dud would be trouble from the word go, espec if the D was going to switch to 3-4, and dealt him when his value was highest.

Pending the switch to a 3-4, work should have been done to move both Andre Carter (contract blocks it) and Albert Haynesworth as neither player was the right fit for that defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The dude abides.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Well said P_F

Unfortunately you're arguing with

A) Professional Cynics who always know better than Shanahan.

B) People who always side with the players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Some of the more ignorant fans don't care about any of that stuff as long as you can win games. Trouble is, minus accountability and the camaraderie it fosters, when adversity strikes there is nothing to fall back on, and things fall apart.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 2:33 PM

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Like whe nGibbs let Riggo drink beer in the "woodshed", taht totally didn't work.

what you said sounds great, but then there is reality, ask Josh mcDaniels

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 3:02 PM

Making a player "inactive" for a game is not "discipline." Plus, Shanny provided other reasons for those inactives at the time that were unrelated to discipline such as AH's health. But I guess you missed that.

And let me be clear, I don't care that AH has been suspended. I am not defending him. I just don't believe Shanahan's statement about prior insubordination. Under the circumstances, it would seem to me that the geniuses running the show now would have jumped at the chance to take action against AH sooner if he was behaving badly and built a better case.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Fans complain, that doesn't make them "fair-weather fans."

I have said time and again I am going to be patient as Shanahan tries to rebuild this mess. However, his explanation after the Detroit game was and is troubling. Why lie? Why keep changing the reason for benching McNabb?

I guarantee if Gibbs had benched McNabb (although it's hard to imagine he would), he would have said the following: "Donovan fought his guts out for us but in that last two minutes I thought our team needed a spark, something to get us going."

And Gibbs would have STUCK to that explanation all week long, unlike Shanahan, who kept changing the story from hour to hour.

It isn't Shanahan's football knowledge I question. What I question is the character of a man who would openly lie like that, when there's really no need to. It's disturbing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Just re-read this Haynesworth quote: "I always play hard. I play hurt. I mean I'll blow out something before I quit playing."


Can we assume the "something" to which he was referring is his liver?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Hindsight is 50/50" is a famous qoute by Redskins Head Coach Steve Spurrier after a loss......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can replace him with a big free agency splash in the offseason...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | December 7, 2010 3:03 PM |

I actually just laughed so hard when I read that that 2 people peeked into my office with a "what did I just miss" look on their faces.

Classic.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 3:12 PM

Co-sign.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Pending the switch to a 3-4, work should have been done to move both Andre Carter (contract blocks it) and Albert Haynesworth as neither player was the right fit for that defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 3:07 PM |

Not sure I agree with this. If you could transplant LA's brain in AH's skull then you would have a pretty good NT, mebbe not ideal, but certainly a lot better than Blubber Boy, the current starting NT, and from a value perspective a real plus over what any trade would bring.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth had to go, no question. Hope that Dan Snyder has learned a valuable lesson. Let's stay away from the free agent splash and concentrate on getting some solid, blue collar type players. I like Bruce Allen and we're on the right track with him to restore some of the Redskin past success. Note to Snyder: Belicheck got rid of Randy Moss, and now are dominating with unknown players like Danny Woodhead. Make sure Haynesworth ends up back in the AFL or he will surely come back to make us miserable.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of move that would not have happened the first ten years Snyder owned the team. This is a MAJOR step in the right direction and I APPLAUD it enthusiastically. The Redskin organization finally demonstrated that they have got a pair. This just convinced me to renew my season tickets. Bravo, Bruce and Mike, Bravo!

Posted by: blackandred777 | December 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

If you want to get rid of him why not doing it 5 MONTHS AGO???

They are clearly a worse team without him. Their handling of this situation has been HORRIBLE, from the moment they hired Shannahan.

This is the dumbest franchise in the league by far.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | December 7, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'll wager that the folks taking shots at Shanahan over this have never coached or been around coaching.

My dad coached football and basketball from before I was born up until about 8 years ago, so I grew up around coaches. I've seen good coaches and bad coaches up close, and have seen how they've handled various circumstances.

Shanahan has handled this in the right way. If you're trying to build a culture of accountability, you cannot make exceptions.

Some of the more ignorant fans don't care about any of that stuff as long as you can win games. Trouble is, minus accountability and the camaraderie it fosters, when adversity strikes there is nothing to fall back on, and things fall apart.

Posted by: freakzilla

I like the way you said what you said and part of your core point is correct.

But ... it is also correct that Shanahan managed the situation poorly. There were probably a hundred different decisions regarding Albert that have been made since Shanahan took over. They haven't worked out well for anyone. For the Skins, for Shanahan, for Albert.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok, wrong choice of words, I should have said crappy players for this scheme.

I understand they were a 'top 10 defense'! Where did that get us? NOWHERE!

Blache was a jellyfish that never took chances, I'm glad he's gone, and in a year or 2 when we finally have all of the pieces together of this 3-4 puzzle everyone else will be glad Haslett is here.

Landry is a beast and DHall is overachieving, other than that we need an overhaul. Orakpo needs to be put in better positions to make plays and he'll be fine.

The 3-4 can work, but we had to go through the growing pains of implementing the scheme this year. I would have liked to see some adjustments and setting up some players to make plays, but let's face it, it's kinda hard to stop the run without a dominant NT, and we can't get enough passrush with only 1 true rusher.

Posted by: monk811 | December 7, 2010 3:00

That's it. Shanny was suppose to improve an offense that was lifeless to go along with a good defense. Better coaches and an upgrade at QB. What has that gotten us? Nothing. I guess my expectations of Shanny were unreasonable.

The offense is just as bad as it was last year, maybe worse. That falls on the shoulders of the genius.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21: "I have said time and again I am going to be patient as Shanahan tries to rebuild this mess. However, his explanation after the Detroit game was and is troubling. Why lie? Why keep changing the reason for benching McNabb?"

I don't care if Shanahan speaks Klingon in his press conferences. Who cares what he says? The results are what matter. And, obviously, the results haven't been great so far.

However, the last thing the Redskins need is to continue firing coaches and team management at a fast clip. Allen and Shanahan need at least three years before we can even tell if they're going in the right direction. The Redskins are nothing more at the moment than a big ol' construction project, pretty much like that mess going on at the 495/66 junction right now.

Why get so worked up over the minutiae at the moment, when the final product in a few years will undoubtedly much different?

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Lh1- if you believe that Shanahan has to divulge everything to the media and owes the fans his rationale behind every move then you would love a dude named Jim Zorn.

Lemme guess, you believe every injury report you read too.

C'mon tarheel.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, there are 4 games left, but from what I've observed this team has been going backwards as the season progresses.

If you're Mike Shanahan, I'm not sure how you spin that.

Injuries can explain some it, I guess, but not all of it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Being a fan for 44 years, that's what's so disappointing about this buffoonery; its ALWAYS about the drama with this team, never about the real subject, football, never, regardless who the coach is. It just never changes. Right now I don't feel anymore hopeful than last year at this time when Vinnie was still running the assylum. Very, very disheartening.

Posted by: wagman1 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I was absolutely thrilled with this until I saw that Vic1 had gone back to posting "diary entries" because of it. Now I'm not so sure.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I was absolutely thrilled with this until I saw that Vic1 had gone back to posting "diary entries" because of it. Now I'm not so sure.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'll dedicate this one in your honor, scamp!

Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010

It may not be the Light or Dark side but we can surely call it gray Moe. The bottom line is Shanny and Allen are doing a Zorn-esque job with this team. Outside of special teams, which is all Banks, can anyone say this is a better coached product than what we saw last year?

Not me. Offense is the same and the Defense is horrible.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

IT's a good day in RI when everyone agrees with no one.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

A couple of years ago everyone was complaining that the Skins had no discipline, had too many prima-donna players who didn't want to do the dirty work, poor morale, poor teamwork, etc.

Well this is how you fix that. You make every player work, prove his worth, and play well on the field. Players that do this get more playing time. Those that don't get less. For every starter, there are 10 guys waiting to take his job. Your job as coach is to pick the best for each position.

This is why McNabb got benched. He played poorly. If you let someone stay on the field when he's playing like crap, nobody has any respect for you, and you don't have any discipline or accountability.

Same thing for Haynesworth. He thumbs his nose at the coaches at every turn, and expects the whole team to wipe his butt, and this is what you get. It doesn't matter how much talent you have, one player can't make a team win or lose. He's gotta go.

Shanahan should get accolades for acting like an adult here. If you look at the team, all of the prima donnas are now gone. What you've got are a bunch of players that want to work hard. They aren't winning games, but it took less than a year for Shanahan to change the corrupt culture that had been plaguing the Redskins for years.

Posted by: unclelonghair | December 7, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Anybody that is already done with Shanahan is no better than Snyder himself has been in the past. Expecting instant results with this talentless roster that Allen and Shanahan inherited is misguided at best. With the lack or draft picks and limited talent available through free agency this past off season, it will probably take three years to right the ship. This team has 5-7 or worse talent, that's just the way it is. At least Shanahan is working on improving the diseased culture within this organization. Suspending Haynesworth sends a clear message that there is a new sheriff in town and you had better take notice or you are next. Well done Mike!

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 7, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Not true. The problems in other cases is that they brought the hammer down on the "first" offense. Have you heard of progressive discipline? Why wasn't that used?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 2:47 PM |

No I haven't and it sounds like friggin lawyer gobbledygook. The length of the suspension is a function of how egregious the violations were and the documentation they have on the whole thing. If they have good doc and he did some bad shti then it will stick to the wall like velcro.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Why get so worked up over the minutiae at the moment, when the final product in a few years will undoubtedly much different?

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 3:25 PM

Because these donkeys have no patience and just can't understand that if we keep doing what we've been doing then we will keep getting what we've got.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Why get so worked up over the minutiae at the moment, when the final product in a few years will undoubtedly much different?

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 3:25 PM

Because these donkeys have no patience and just can't understand that if we keep doing what we've been doing then we will keep getting what we've got.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of SI's Don Banks, who is an arrogant writer who takes pleasure in bashing Washington, but his take in yesterday's column rings pretty true. Here it s:

• Watching Mike Shanahan coach his moribund Redskins at the Meadowlands on Sunday, I got the feeling that he now finally realizes what he has gotten himself into. There's always a point in that first season of every new Washington head coach when it dawns on him that the Redskins job is a coach-killer for very good reason. You can see it in the eyes.

Maybe it came to him while watching Donovan McNabb play an uninterested, sloppy game that featured three fumbles by him (one lost) and two interceptions, including one in the end zone. Maybe it was the six overall Redskins turnovers that blunted any chance for Washington to stay in a game they wound up losing 31-7. Maybe it was the Giants' 197 yards of power rushing that sapped his team's will, or the sight of Redskins linebacker Bryan Orakpo having a very visible sideline meltdown in the second half, in which he stormed away from a defensive huddle and proceeded to kick anything in sight. And let's not forget a deactivated Albert Haynesworth, the $100 million man who might have been the only real winner in Washington on this day (because he didn't have to play in this stinker).

Whatever provided that tipping point, Shanahan definitely knows he's in the club now. No matter what buttons he pushes, nothing much works for his reeling Redskins. And so we -- and Daniel Snyder -- learn anew that there will be no easy fixes in Washington, which is 5-7 and looking like it intends to give Dallas a run for its money for last place in the NFC East.

• At one point during a replay review in the Redskins-Giants game, referee Walt Coleman announced that "Denver'' had lost its challenge. Oops. Could you blame Shanahan for probably wishing he was back in his comfort zone with the Broncos about now?

• Where do the Redskins currently stand in relation to their three NFC East rivals? Well, three weeks ago they lost 59-28 at home to the Eagles. When you add in Sunday's 31-7 loss at the Giants, that's a 90-35 level of domination, with a game at resurgent Dallas scheduled in two weeks.

The bottom line? There's plenty of work left to be done in still-dysfunctional D.C.

Posted by: quinn3 | December 7, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 3:12 PM

Co-sign.

Posted by: Alan4
===========================================
Ditto

So many cats on here cupping the balls its crazy.
Fat Al might be a lazy, unmotivated, malcontent but Shanahan lied for nothing. I'm not saying the guy is a lier but I don't completely buy what this guy is selling just because....

We hear so much bull coming from both sides you never know what's really is going on.

Posted by: priceisright | December 7, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Although I agree with the decision to move on, I don't like the head coach being in charge of the personnel. I don't really like Shanahan as our head coach as it is. Never have. Hope he proves me wrong.

Posted by: hand_of_doom | December 7, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You guys are right! we need a players coach in here to stroke this guys ego.

Wade Phillips is available now or maybe after Turner gets fired we can go with NORV 2.0.

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'll dedicate this one in your honor, scamp!

Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 3:31 PM

Whatever BFF...gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Being a fan for 44 years, that's what's so disappointing about this buffoonery; its ALWAYS about the drama with this team, never about the real subject, football, never, regardless who the coach is. It just never changes. Right now I don't feel anymore hopeful than last year at this time when Vinnie was still running the assylum. Very, very disheartening.

Posted by: wagman1 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM

This is something I can feel. And this won't change until the Head Coaching Door quits becoming a revolving door every 2 years (on average).......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll wager that the folks taking shots at Shanahan over this have never coached or been around coaching.

I spent 12 years as a coach on the high school level.

I learned early on you are better off with committed guys with no talent than hoping guys with talent become committed.

I cut loose 5-10 kids I knew from day one would be state champs if I kept them around.

But since they were were complete jerks as people, I cut them the minute they violated any team rule.

And since M Shanahan's record of coaching is far more extensive than mine, I'm wondering why he couldn't make the same cold decisions.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Being a fan for 44 years, that's what's so disappointing about this buffoonery; its ALWAYS about the drama with this team, never about the real subject, football, never, regardless who the coach is. It just never changes. Right now I don't feel anymore hopeful than last year at this time when Vinnie was still running the assylum. Very, very disheartening.

Posted by: wagman1 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM

This is something I can feel. And this won't change until the Head Coaching Door quits becoming a revolving door every 2 years (on average).......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Like how th situation was handled or not, Haynesworth was an INHERITED problem. Give Allen and Shanahan some time to prove things are different. I say this move already proves things are different because in the past Snyder would have sided with Haynesworth and not let the coach do the right thing.

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 7, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 3:41 PM |

What was your W-L rec?

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Not true. The problems in other cases is that they brought the hammer down on the "first" offense. Have you heard of progressive discipline? Why wasn't that used?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 2:47 PM |

No I haven't and it sounds like friggin lawyer gobbledygook. The length of the suspension is a function of how egregious the violations were and the documentation they have on the whole thing. If they have good doc and he did some bad shti then it will stick to the wall like velcro.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 7, 2010 3:33 PM |

Encino, you're only glorifying his pontification efforts. If dude is an attorney, he's mid-grade, trust me.

Anytime someone asks someone if they're aware of something like that as if we should all have had that on the tips of our tongues (it's HR related anyway - which means...who cares?) is struggling for validation on a blog and that, my man, is even more retarded than an actor in a Mellwood commercial.

Second of all and more importantly, dude hasn't a clue if this was a first offense and even though I don't know either....how could this possibly be a first offense? Either way, who cares?

My question to hand man is when will you come up with something of your own rather than trying to teach smarter people something irrelevant?

....I'm waiting.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And since M Shanahan's record of coaching is far more extensive than mine, I'm wondering why he couldn't make the same cold decisions.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse
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High school jerk state champs don't have CBAs protecting their butts

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 7, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

There's a lot that a simple observer does not know, but the picture of Albert lying on the ground with the play still active rather that getting up to pursue, really is a strong image.

Posted by: michaelkerr | December 7, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Hope that Dan Snyder has learned a valuable lesson. Let's stay away from the free agent splash and concentrate on getting some solid, blue collar type players."

Posted by: VegasJim | December 7, 2010 3:20 PM

Due to the change in free agency under the old CBA that led to an inordinate number of restricted free agents last year, this year's free agent class figures to be one of, if not the, best free agent class in league history. I expect the 'Skins to be active in free agency. I want us to build through the draft, too, but with the team's many needs, they'll need to use both means to improve. Maybe with Shanallen doing the picking, we'll have more success in free agency than we enjoyed under Cerratto.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | December 7, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'll wager that the folks taking shots at Shanahan over this have never coached or been around coaching.

I spent 12 years as a coach on the high school level.

I learned early on you are better off with committed guys with no talent than hoping guys with talent become committed.

I cut loose 5-10 kids I knew from day one would be state champs if I kept them around.

But since they were were complete jerks as people, I cut them the minute they violated any team rule.

And since M Shanahan's record of coaching is far more extensive than mine, I'm wondering why he couldn't make the same cold decisions.

Posted by: MistaMoe

The objectives of a HS coach are different than a pro coach. In HS, you really are about developing people first, athletics is a means to an end. In the pros, athletes are a means to money -- and there, money rules.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM

Give it up man. You're talking in circles. First you claim that Shanny deactivated AH for disciplinary reasons. When I point out Shanny offered non-disciplinary rationale, you then imply that he was not being frank about why he did what he did. What's the point of "disciplining" a guy if the guy, his teammates, and the world don't know it's discipline?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is smart.

Stink it up the first year, and then you can claim great improvement at 0.500 next year.

Zorn's mistake was to go 0.500 his first year, and stink it up his second year.

I'm going to be harder on Shanahan because he has more authority and freedom than Zorn was ever given. He'd better do better than 0.500 next year.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Is it too early for me to start speculating who we get in the 1st Round?

Choice #1 - Cam Cameron
Choice #2 - Marvin Austin
Choice #3 - Top Ranked CB/WR

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in DC, and was a first hand witness to the greatness that was the Riggo/Gibbs era. From that, I formed the idea which I have held onto for the last ten or fifteen years; that The Redskins are a great franchise that is just in a rough patch.
I hate to say it, but over the last two years I have started to come to the realization that the Redskins are actually a mediocre to poor organization that had a few good years when I was a kid.
When my children were young I convinced one of them to be a Redskins fan, to provide me with cover so I could watch the games. Now I sit with her every Sunday and watch the heartbreak in her eyes as she slowly realizes what a bunch of loosers she has made an emotional investment in. I am hoping for a strike next year, because maybe a year away would be enough to get her to forget about the team. I feel like a bad parent to have introduced her to the misery of being a fan of this team, misery that I am sure will last as long as Snyder owns them. With that, I am done; with this post and as a fan.

Posted by: David90 | December 7, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Whatever BFF...gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about your phobia -- but the point I was trying to make is there are any number of guys who would be proud and grateful to work and play just as hard -- if not more so -- for little more than meal money. Hopefully we get someone like that here, and soon too.

While I don't begrudge a single soul the opportunity to make some honest money doing something they love, this ungrateful ass-whole has been a major disappointment on so many levels -- and a disrespectful embarrassment to the game itself too.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 3:26 PM

Give it up man. You're talking in circles. First you claim that Shanny deactivated AH for disciplinary reasons. When I point out Shanny offered non-disciplinary rationale, you then imply that he was not being frank about why he did what he did. What's the point of "disciplining" a guy if the guy, his teammates, and the world don't know it's discipline?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 3:49 PM |

Dude you're the one struggling to type one post without even the morons in here shooting you down.

You don't know a thing. Haney was 'diciplined' by way of suspension. Players that are suspended are not being protected, promoted, warned or rewarded.

Suspension is by definition a disciplinary action.

A suspension is an action analogous to a punishment and a punishment is synonymous to a disciplinary action.

I'll take "Owned Chumps" for 1000 Alex!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda shocked no one is callin for Haslett to be fired considering this defense has gone from a perennial top 10 to the absolute armpit of the league in a few short months.

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Is it too early for me to start speculating who we get in the 1st Round?

Choice #1 - Cam Cameron
Choice #2 - Marvin Austin
Choice #3 - Top Ranked CB/WR

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:51 PM |

Cam Newton?

What about Kirk Cameron, Cameron Diaz, Wayne Newton, Nate Newton, Cam Neely or Cameron Frye from 'Ferris Buhler's Day Off'?

I love fig netwon's though.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:56 PM

Coming from you, that's a compliment. Thanks.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Should've benched the steaming pile a long time ago.

Posted by: richs91 | December 7, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What, exactly, was Don Banks' point in SI?


The bottom line? There's plenty of work left to be done in still-dysfunctional D.C.

Posted by: quinn3 | December 7, 2010 3:34 PM


Oh yeah, that. Did he think this was groundbreaking insight?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:56 PM |

And next time check the context of the comment you're critiquing before weighing in.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda shocked no one is callin for Haslett to be fired considering this defense has gone from a perennial top 10 to the absolute armpit of the league in a few short months.

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 3:59 PM |
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Yep. It was a mistake (either Shanny's and/or Allen's) to bring in Haslett and change to a 3/4. The defense was one aspect of this team that DIDN'T need a complete makeover.

But don't worry, if we all just sit tight for 5 years, eventually the team will be "better" than it is now.

Just be patient, and don't be alarmed by the fact that the head coach is apparently a pathological liar.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:56 PM

Coming from you, that's a compliment. Thanks.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 4:02 PM |

It also speaks VOLUMES that your responses are redacted. You cannot bear re-posting your ownage in when responding.

Classic ownage.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

We just got that much less talented, we'd probably lose to some college teams

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's mistake was to go 0.500 his first year, and stink it up his second year.

I'm going to be harder on Shanahan because he has more authority and freedom than Zorn was ever given. He'd better do better than 0.500 next year.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse
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Zorn's mistake was to be coach during the Cerrato years.

He drafted Larry, Curly, and Moe rather than some much needed beefcake, traded a second for 1 year of Jason Taylor, invested a 3rd on DE depth we didn't need, and then signed FatBert for what will be less than 2 years.

Some of you guys are critical of Shanahan, but I'm tickled pink we don't have Cerrato waging war on our toes anymore.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 7, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda shocked no one is callin for Haslett to be fired considering this defense has gone from a perennial top 10 to the absolute armpit of the league in a few short months.

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 3:59 PM


You're kinda shocked Haslett hasn't been fired for implementing the defense they hired him to implement, with results that were pretty predictable given that we don't have the right personnel yet to run it? Glad I don't work for you.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Suspension is by definition a disciplinary action.

A suspension is an action analogous to a punishment and a punishment is synonymous to a disciplinary action.

I'll take "Owned Chumps" for 1000 Alex!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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I'm sure when fat Al is on a beach somewhere sippin Crystal and doin shots of Henny sittin on a fat stack of cash he's gonna be feelin real bad about this suspension.

Who is Personal_fowl Alex?

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

z

The objectives of a HS coach are different than a pro coach.

I know.

But team building is the 1st job of any coach, manager, teacher, leader, or husband of talent and personnel.

Guys who can't follow whatever philosophy you lay out must be weeded out early on in the process of building a team.

Total buy-in is separates the great from the good.

If you cannot 'weed them out,' you must work to integrate them into the system you've put in place.

All team members must embrace whatever egalitarian ideals and goals you state as objectives for the group.

The buy-in must be complete or the guy who questions the rules and philosophy will ruin anything you try to do.

These ideas work not just on a h.s. level where there is no money, but with professionals as well.

And obviously, Mike Shanahan is trying to put them in place in D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Is it too early for me to start speculating who we get in the 1st Round?

Choice #1 - Cam Cameron
Choice #2 - Marvin Austin
Choice #3 - Top Ranked CB/WR

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 3:51 PM |

Cam Newton?

What about Kirk Cameron, Cameron Diaz, Wayne Newton, Nate Newton, Cam Neely or Cameron Frye from 'Ferris Buhler's Day Off'?

I love fig netwon's though.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl

Isn't Cam Cameron an offensive coordinator? Given how our offense has looked, I'm on board.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:07 PM

You're schizo son. One minute you're posting how it doesn't matter what a stranger thinks of you on a blog but then you ma$turbate to "owning" those same strangers on the very same blog.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton/Cameron......

Tomatoe/Tomato

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Give me Christian Ponder over Cam Newton. Ponder may be there in round 2 as well.

If we get someone from Auburn, let's make it that bigass DT. I don't know how well he translates to the 3-4 but that dude could sure as hell stink up a bathroom.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 7, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Yep. It was a mistake (either Shanny's and/or Allen's) to bring in Haslett and change to a 3/4. The defense was one aspect of this team that DIDN'T need a complete makeover.

But don't worry, if we all just sit tight for 5 years, eventually the team will be "better" than it is now.

Just be patient, and don't be alarmed by the fact that the head coach is apparently a pathological liar.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

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LMAO Good stuff sir.

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:07 PM

You're schizo son. One minute you're posting how it doesn't matter what a stranger thinks of you on a blog but then you ma$turbate to "owning" those same strangers on the very same blog.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2010 4:13 PM |

Listen a-hole, you're making me look like the master here and Mr. Popular on this blog - WHICH I DO NOT WANT.

Please, start making sense so I can go back to being the mean one.


PNED!!!!!!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess we got to get rid of him, but we're not going to get any type of compensation *if* we can trade him. I think he should play with the understanding that he's auditioning for other teams.

Posted by: wwc4g | December 7, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This all started when dumazz Shanny switched to the 3-4! Is AH an a hole? Yes, but we are terrible and untalented.

McDaniels used the same philosophy and how'd that turn out?

All season we've gotten less talented and created more needs and have no picks.

Shanny won't reAch the end of his contract just like zorn and Gibbs before him.

The only way we get better next year is through free agency and we have never made that work.

Here's to more suckitude in the future. Go Caps!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

You're kinda shocked Haslett hasn't been fired for implementing the defense they hired him to implement, with results that were pretty predictable given that we don't have the right personnel yet to run it? Glad I don't work for you.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

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Hey when your boss gives you a task and you fail miserably and get to keep your job anyway.... that would be awesome! Can I work for you?

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"It's not that complicated. Shanahan knows AH is a monster talent and gave him every chance to turn it around. All the folks complaining about not taking the trade offer from the Titans earlier in the year seem to miss that point."

B. S. By switching to the 3-4 he schemed Haynesworth off the team from day 1

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I was just reading through some of the legal briefs from the Vick case.

My conclusion: Redskins have zero percent chance of recovering any bonus money.

In Vick's case, they wanted the roster bonus back. The court was quite clear: if you are on the roster in good standing the day that it is paid, there is no getting it back.

And Vick did something that was not just detrimental to the team, but to the franchise.

So no chance in hell that they get any part of $21 MM back. This is Shanny admitting season is over and trying to find a scapegoat.

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 7, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If we get someone from Auburn, let's make it that bigass DT. I don't know how well he translates to the 3-4 but that dude could sure as hell stink up a bathroom.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 7, 2010 4:14 PM

The 1st or 2nd rounder would def have to be a NT.....

I have watched (YouTube) Game Film on Ponder yet.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

If we get someone from Auburn, let's make it that bigass DT. I don't know how well he translates to the 3-4 but that dude could sure as hell stink up a bathroom.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 7, 2010 4:14 PM

The 1st or 2nd rounder would def have to be a NT.....

I have watched (YouTube) Game Film on Ponder yet.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"It's not that complicated. Shanahan knows AH is a monster talent and gave him every chance to turn it around. All the folks complaining about not taking the trade offer from the Titans earlier in the year seem to miss that point."

B. S. By switching to the 3-4 he schemed Haynesworth off the team from day 1

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

These are the usual comments from the braindead..the haters and the know-nothings..
Shanahan can't coach, Allen is still getting by on his father's name.
The 3-4 is worthless, at least as far as the Deadskins are concerned. Shanahan is clueless and Elway isn't coming out of retirement to bail him out. Sit Al down, the Giants lit the Deadskins up for 35 points. We're looking at a probable 5-11. The few players who actually have talent are getting older and some are probably looking to go to further their careers. Another lousy year. Campbell and Zorn were infinitely better than McNabb and Shanahan.

Posted by: markappraiser1 | December 7, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Can I assistant coach for you, Moe? We've got the same priorities.


On the topic of whether Shanahan should have done this months ago, probably yeah.

But there were mitigating factors for sure. And when someone finally does the right thing, the thing not to do is berate them for not doing it sooner.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

There is no getting any of that money back. However if I were Danny and had the kind of money he does I'd actually put him on the practice squad and eat the rest of his contract just to ensure he never plays another down of football again and cement his true legacy in this league.

Posted by: skins91r | December 7, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Another lousy year. Campbell and Zorn were infinitely better than McNabb and Shanahan.

Posted by: markappraiser1 | December 7, 2010 4:26 PM |

You're infinitely retarded. Even learnedhand knows that 4 wins isn't infinitely better than 5.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Lh1- Why did it take so long? We'll never know by it may have had something to do w/ him showing up hungover/drunk or saying that he would no longer talk to his coach. Anyways if you're waiting for Shanahan to tell the truth when it's completely unnecessary then don't hold your breath.

I'm out. Be back later if you'd like to continue our discussion.

As for p-f/n_p_i...the tyranny of dull continues. The only thing he owns is act that Gallagher would call tired.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

PNED!!!!!!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:17 PM

Pwned?

You can't even get a Geek Word right!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
Just a clarification:
(1) people are chuckling at the Redskins across the country, not just up and down the east coast.
(2) Shanahan couldn't dump or even trade AH (at a discount) without AH making it clear to the entire world he is a tool. AH tried himself in the court of public opinion and found him self guilty of being a chooch (as Nate likes to say).
(3) I wanted AH to find a way to work it out. I think MS did too and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on several occasions, I'm sure they had a few man-to-chooch talks, where AH said all the right things.

Basically, I don't pin this on MS.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

“It seems to me like we’re going backward a lot the past two weeks,” the veteran tight end Chris Cooley said. “Everyone has stuff going on in their organization. You just have to fight through it.”

Uh-oh, Capt Chaos.... be careful or you might be labeled a fair-weather fan!


Shanahan is not a rookie or 2nd year coach like Zorn or McDaniels (Broncos).

When coaches get fired, the owner usually says the team is "not going in the right direction." Awfully close to Cooley's words.

I would like to see this team gain some stability, but I have a hard time seeing Shahahan lasting more than another year or two the way things are shaping up. He will probably coach this to up to a 0.500 club.

His success came early with the Broncos, and I don't see where he did anything noteworthy after 1998. That's a minute.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes they did the right thing. I don't care if we face him twice a year and he has monster games. Just so long as he's not a Redskin. Now if they can just continue the good work (it's all part of rebuilding you know).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 7, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I guarantee if Gibbs had benched McNabb (although it's hard to imagine he would), he would have said the following: "Donovan fought his guts out for us but in that last two minutes I thought our team needed a spark, something to get us going."

And Gibbs would have STUCK to that explanation all week long, unlike Shanahan, who kept changing the story from hour to hour.

It isn't Shanahan's football knowledge I question. What I question is the character of a man who would openly lie like that, when there's really no need to. It's disturbing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

he's trying to create a 'culture of accountability' or at least that what a few holier than thou geniuses have grabbed a hold of

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse


This organization just moved one notch up on the 'respect' meter today.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 2:54 PM |
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and you move down another notch on the 'respect meter' everytime you post

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

This organization just moved one notch up on the 'respect' meter today.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 2:54 PM |
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and you move down another notch on the 'respect meter' everytime you post

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2010 4:39 PM |

Suck my balls you dive ass punk.


Hahahaha


Catch you all tomorrow, if I feel like coming in.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 7, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Great.

And if this has been AH's behavior all year, then why didn't he get moved at the trade deadline?

Would love to hear Shanny's explanation for that one.

Maybe he was biding his time to try to hit AH in the pocketbook on this one?

Either way, Shanny has taken a bad situation and made it worse.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

OK. I'll go along with the concept that they don't have the players they want.

But if they don't have the personnel they want to run the O and D they want, then they are going to need to sacrifice a couple of starters in order to acquire more draft picks in 2001 so that they CAN get the pieces they want.

So Cooley, Moss, Rogers, and others should all be potential trades this offseason.

From what I can see, among other things they need to draft a RB, since Portis is likely done as a starter and the other RBs they have are all question marks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If we get someone from Auburn, let's make it that bigass DT. I don't know how well he translates to the 3-4 but that dude could sure as hell stink up a bathroom.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 7, 2010 4:14 PM

The 1st or 2nd rounder would def have to be a NT.....

I have watched (YouTube) Game Film on Ponder yet.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

r u joking? It has to be an offensive lineman or RB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

On the topic of whether Shanahan should have done this months ago, probably yeah.

But there were mitigating factors for sure. And when someone finally does the right thing, the thing not to do is berate them for not doing it sooner.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse


When you are getting paid $8million a year to make the right decisions at the right time, then you absolutely open yourself up to criticism for not doing the "right" thing sooner.

Shanny had the power to end this charade weeks ago and get something back. Instead, he chose to keep AH around and continue the distraction circus, and now his value is as low as ever.

You keep harping about accountability...why exempt the head guy from that?


Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Idiotic.

if you were grooming young guns, fine, but there's nobody on the D line that screams youth. Let AH play on his own terms. Salary is a sunk cost. Put him in on 3rd down and let him go crazy.

Idiots. Now the money's wasted twice.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 7, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

r u joking? It has to be an offensive lineman or RB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:45 PM

I thought the Blog was in agreement that NT, the main ingrediant for a 3-4, was up there with OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The thing is, an appeal is going to fly. The Redskins could be fined, in fact, if they are found to have acted in bad faith.

I expect a quiet compromise will be worked out in Goodell's office. AH will be paid, the appeal will be dropped, and AH will be a free agent right after the season. Undoubtedly the Redskins, knowing Shanahan, would have held onto him as long as possible.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | December 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth had to go, no question. Hope that Dan Snyder has learned a valuable lesson. Let's stay away from the free agent splash and concentrate on getting some solid, blue collar type players. I like Bruce Allen and we're on the right track with him to restore some of the Redskin past success. Note to Snyder: Belicheck got rid of Randy Moss, and now are dominating with unknown players like Danny Woodhead. Make sure Haynesworth ends up back in the AFL or he will surely come back to make us miserable.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

note to Vegas Jim those guys rule the draft, we suck at it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth had to go, no question. Hope that Dan Snyder has learned a valuable lesson. Let's stay away from the free agent splash and concentrate on getting some solid, blue collar type players. I like Bruce Allen and we're on the right track with him to restore some of the Redskin past success. Note to Snyder: Belicheck got rid of Randy Moss, and now are dominating with unknown players like Danny Woodhead. Make sure Haynesworth ends up back in the AFL or he will surely come back to make us miserable.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

note to Vegas Jim those guys rule the draft, we suck at it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

When you are getting paid $8million a year to make the right decisions at the right time, then you absolutely open yourself up to criticism for not doing the "right" thing sooner.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse
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Would a suspension have flown before this week? I doubt it. If the silent treatment thing is correct, than this IS the right time for such an action, and the $8 million man got it right.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 7, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Hope that Dan Snyder has learned a valuable lesson. Let's stay away from the free agent splash and concentrate on getting some solid, blue collar type players. "
Keep on hoping! I have been hoping this for oh, seven or eight years, and it hasn't happened.

Posted by: David90 | December 7, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

But team building is the 1st job of any coach, manager, teacher, leader, or husband of talent and personnel.

Guys who can't follow whatever philosophy you lay out must be weeded out early on in the process of building a team.

Total buy-in is separates the great from the good.

If you cannot 'weed them out,' you must work to integrate them into the system you've put in place.

All team members must embrace whatever egalitarian ideals and goals you state as objectives for the group.

The buy-in must be complete or the guy who questions the rules and philosophy will ruin anything you try to do.

These ideas work not just on a h.s. level where there is no money, but with professionals as well.

And obviously, Mike Shanahan is trying to put them in place in D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe |

Sounds great, but in this case the disgruntled player was 100% correct and the all-knowing coach was dead wrong. 53 guys buying into a flawed decision is still a trainwreck. In this case, a trainwreck that turned a top ten defense into the joke of the league.

A leader has to have credibility and the trust of those he leads. In Shanahan's case, the team sees he is a lying weasel who routinely makes inexplicably bad decisions, then tries to avoid blame for them. That's probably why he has lost the locker room and we get to see a team quit on the head coach for the second year in a row.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 7, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

r u joking? It has to be an offensive lineman or RB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:45 PM

I thought the Blog was in agreement that NT, the main ingrediant for a 3-4, was up there with OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse


Doesn't matter. pabrian will automatically hate whoever they draft.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 7, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

r u joking? It has to be an offensive lineman or RB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 4:45 PM

I thought the Blog was in agreement that NT, the main ingrediant for a 3-4, was up there with OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse


Doesn't matter. pabrian will automatically hate whoever they draft.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 7, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"he has consistently indicated to our defensive coaches that he refuses to play in our base defense or on first-down or second-down nickel situations. He also has refused to follow the instructions of our coaches both during weekly practices and during actual games as well."

What else does anyone need to know? And he refused to meet with his head coach to discuss it? If some or most of this is true it more than shows a pattern of insubordination. And what we're getting today is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 7, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Two men who are probably pleased as punch to get away from the circus:

Jim Zorn (8-4) and Jason Campbell (5-3 in eight starts).

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@pabrian2003: "B. S. By switching to the 3-4 he schemed Haynesworth off the team from day 1"

I think Shanahan legitimately believed that AH could be converted into a nose tackle. Now, whether that belief was rational is another matter.

The conversion to a 3-4 is my biggest beef with Shanahan. I've never been a big fan of that defense, and I can't imagine believing simultaneously that (a) the team is ready to contend right now, and (b) the defense needs to be retooled into a completely new scheme. Obviously, some teams play monster defense in a 3-4 alignment, but you can't make the switch without some pain, particular on a team that already had some big holes in the roster.

I have to wonder whether the "win now" stuff was purely for public consumption. Shanahan, whatever you may think of him, is hardly a stupid guy and can't have seriously believed that this bare cupboard of a team was really ready to be a contender.

I have no problem with a rebuilding effort. It's long past time for the Redskins to develop a stable organization and consistent overall team philosophy. As long as this is actually going on, I can wait several seasons for the results to reflect themselves on the field. Think back to the Browns/Ravens teams of the mid '90s. They weren't that good on the field, but the front office was slowly building an organization that would turn out winners year after year. That's what the Redskins should be aiming for.

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan mismanaged the problem by letting it go on for 5 months.

He's just another in a long line of people brought in that are "has beens" and "used to be's". Bruce Smith, Dion, Mark Carrier, Jeff George, etc, etc. He's just the Coaching version of a "used to be".

His last 60 games he is 29-31. He's always been a poor judge of talent. He cut Brandon Banks, Keiland Willians and Ryan Torain, who turned out to be out best people. He gets rid of young talent because he is unable to teach.

There is a reason he's been fired multiple times. We're in for a troubling time once again people. The egomaniac Napoleon is here for at least another year.

Maybe we can get Stanford's Harbaugh after Snyder realizes Shanny is a fruitcake.

Posted by: jmueller7 | December 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The only players they should not consider trading are Orakpo, Trent Williams, LaRon Landry, and Brandon Banks. Other than those guys, they should shop everyone and anyone in order to stockpile draft picks for the next two seasons (always assuming their IS a 2011 season).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

B. S. By switching to the 3-4 he schemed Haynesworth off the team from day 1


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You're right. They should have made all their decisions based on the whims of one cry baby.

Here's an idea: how bout...AH actually put forth some effort, and do what he's told, like pretty much the rest of the world does when they are paid for a job?

Pabrian, you just don't want to accept that the players have been, for a long time, the major problem. You're not alone, if it makes you feel any better. People want to believe if we change JUST the coach, or GM, or if the owner just dropped, all would be well. Sorry...but this team is not as talented as most and the overhaul is just beginning.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

sheeziz, looks like another sub-bar a**ed m**er88$@# year..To both Albert and the Redskins-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Two men who are probably pleased as punch to get away from the circus:

Jim Zorn (8-4) and Jason Campbell (5-3 in eight starts).

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

1) did you really just note the win/loss record of a QB coach?

2) Good for Jason Campbell. His mediocrity wouldn't help here, but good for him getting some wins.

3) Why keep bringing those 2 up?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins knew before the season started that A.H. was going to be a problem. He let them know he had not signed up for a team using the 3-4 defense and did not want to play in that system. He refused to come to the "Voluntary" workouts. He actions have shown that he does not want to be here. It's time to cut him and move on.

Posted by: mdondon300 | December 7, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@jmueller7: "His last 60 games he is 29-31. He's always been a poor judge of talent. He cut Brandon Banks, Keiland Willians and Ryan Torain, who turned out to be out best people. He gets rid of young talent because he is unable to teach."

The fact that those turned out to be the "best people" available is a searing indictment of the Redskins' personnel management over the last five years. Of course, injuries played a big part in all that.

Shanahan as a personnel guy is my biggest worry about the Skins' near future. Problem is, the Skins aren't blessed to have an Ozzie Newsome or Bill Polian to handle these things. Bruce Allen isn't at that level, I don't believe. I favor a system where the coach is just a coach, but none of the guys with big resumes like Shanahan are going to accept those terms.

Posted by: acoberst1 | December 7, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

While I don't begrudge a single soul the opportunity to make some honest money doing something they love, this ungrateful ass-whole has been a major disappointment on so many levels -- and a disrespectful embarrassment to the game itself too.


Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 3:55 PM

I whole heartedly agree with you. I just think your dear diary crap is not only lame but also gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about the Haynesworth saga. The only thing that matters is that yet another season is down the drain and no foundation is being laid for the future. Outside of T. Williams and Banks (who was waived earlier), the other guys Shanahan has brought in played with Sammy Baugh.

It was Shanahan who demanded the switch to the 3-4 when it was obvious to a blind man they didn't have the personnel to run it. You would think a guy that was an utter failure at running defense in Denver would leave it to the professionals, but not Shanahan. His answer is that all these old DEs and LBs should be able to play out of position.

I don't blame Haynesworth, Haslett, Kyle Shanahan, or even Cerrato for the Redskins current woes. I blame the egomaniac who has been in total control since January. He's been more interested in breaking guys than building a respectable team. As a result, the team is fodder for the national media and the players have quit just like last year. That's the real issue.

Posted by: ablake70 | December 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of people saying how lazy and fat Haynesworth is, but he showed up this year at 330 lbs, down from 360+ last year.

I think he was actually ready to ball this year.

The fitness test Shanahan gave Haynesworth early in the season was clearly designed to humiliate him. Guess what? It worked!

Now Haynesworth doesn't want to deal with Shanahan and the Skins give up on an extremely talented DL.

Another team will pick him up on the cheap next year, and he'll be rested and ready to ball.

He's not like Stubblefield, because when he's been in the game Haynesworth HAS been effective.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

3) Why keep bringing those 2 up?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2010 5:22 PM

Because there replacements have proven to be no better than them up to this point--and in some ways worse.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how Shanahan did or did not mismanage the situation because it doesn't matter. Haynesworth is a cancer that needed to be removed from this organization and he represents everything that was wrong with the pre-Allen/Shanahan regime. Congrats to Bruce and Mike for doing the right thing and suspending the worthless pice of $h!t.

Posted by: croftonpost | December 7, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I favor a system where the coach is just a coach, but none of the guys with big resumes like Shanahan are going to accept those terms.
Posted by: acoberst1

Agreed, but I think the days of the all powerful HC who has final personnel say may be coming to an end soon. It never seems to work out, and owners are figuring out that a strong GM is essential.

I gave mediocre chump Norv three full years before I gave up on him. It would seem reasonable to give a two time SB champ coach at least that long to right this mess of a ship. If we stink in year three, then we can start screaming for a real GM.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 7, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth might not be especially hard for coaches to replace."

if u devalue a player completely, then he isn't hard to replace = manifest destiny

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

At least GM Allen didn't call Albert "Macaca."

Posted by: RoJaKa | December 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan as a personnel guy is my biggest worry about the Skins' near future. Problem is, the Skins aren't blessed to have an Ozzie Newsome or Bill Polian to handle these things. Bruce Allen isn't at that level, I don't believe. I favor a system where the coach is just a coach, but none of the guys with big resumes like Shanahan are going to accept those terms.Posted by: acoberst1"

Funny you should mention Polian -- his welcome has worn thin in Indy. The Ryan Lilja loss is a big complaint; Lilja's now opening all sorts of holes for RBs in KC. They're not ready to just replace him, but you can see they'd like to ease him out at some point.

Newsome's a terrific talent scout, but he's had his share of failures too (remember #1 choice Kyle Boller? Nobody else does, either). Don't forget they won 5 games in 2007, which cost Billick his job.

As for Bruce Allen, I don't think anybody regarded him as a talent evaluator. His expertise is business and contracts, and he's worked with some success for some of the most difficult personalities in the NFL. He's supposed to manage the contracts side and keep Snyder off the coaches' backs -- no mean achievement.

Shanahan has actually done a pretty good job managing a situation that has defeated every coach so far, except Gibbs, and he had special status in the organization. He's made mistakes, but Albert isn't one of them. Albert was Dan's mistake. They're probably happy to get a few hundred grand back out of it. Provided they get to keep it after the appeal, that is.

That's the thing about us fans, we tend to overrate our favorite teams and lose sight of where they really rank in the context of a competitive league.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 7, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"He's not like Stubblefield, because when he's been in the game Haynesworth HAS been effective.Posted by: Alan4"

For brief periods. I suspect whatever motivation Albert once had is pretty much gone. Here's a player who played for the cash and he's already got it. He might show up for a game or three but then the malaise would set in. Really, do you blame the guy? I don't. I can't imagine motivating yourself to that sort of effort and risk if you weren't dying for riches and fame. Albert's got the riches, and he doesn't seem to want more of that sort of fame.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 7, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope that the suspension doesn't extend to the playoffs. This team's Super Bowl prospects will be significantly lessened w/o Albert's services.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess the hogs and John Riggins would have been let go too.

Square hole round peg. Shannahans a lousy coach if he trys to jam everyone into the same hole. You need to be able to manage individuals, this old school hard a$$ style doesn't work with millionares.

This is a team designed for failure. Thanks Danny for hiring your Bestest Friend.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | December 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess the hogs and John Riggins would have been let go too.

Square hole round peg. Shannahans a lousy coach if he trys to jam everyone into the same hole. You need to be able to manage individuals, this old school hard a$$ style doesn't work with millionares.

This is a team designed for failure. Thanks Danny for hiring your Bestest Friend.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | December 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess the hogs and John Riggins would have been let go too.

Square hole round peg. Shannahans a lousy coach if he trys to jam everyone into the same hole. You need to be able to manage individuals, this old school hard a$$ style doesn't work with millionares.

This is a team designed for failure. Thanks Danny for hiring your Bestest Friend.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | December 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

yes, it was the right thing, but it was the right thing weeks ago...
Snyder's presence on football operations is still there, unfortunately. Otherwise, this move or something like it would have happened long ago.
That being said, I believe the best move M.Shan. can make is to ensure the team drinks only bottled water from far away regions from now on. Seriously... what other major city has all of its teams, except for Hockey - they drink the triple distilled stuff- that consistently field a team at the end of the season that struggled to be on the practice squad, double A, or D-league at the beginning of the season?
This is the new conspiracy. DC Water is the reason for horrible DC (professional) sports teams.

Posted by: scheermadness | December 7, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

yes, it was the right thing, but it was the right thing weeks ago...
Snyder's presence on football operations is still there, unfortunately. Otherwise, this move or something like it would have happened long ago.
That being said, I believe the best move M.Shan. can make is to ensure the team drinks only bottled water from far away regions from now on. Seriously... what other major city has all of its teams, except for Hockey - they drink the triple distilled stuff- that consistently field a team at the end of the season that struggled to be on the practice squad, double A, or D-league at the beginning of the season?
This is the new conspiracy. DC Water is the reason for horrible DC (professional) sports teams.

Posted by: scheermadness | December 7, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Albert was everything $nyder deserves. I don't blame Shanny for that mess. He was under a lot of pressure to get some return on $nyder's investment.

Haslett was brought in for the long haul. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone they're lousy right now with the wrong personnel. They'll bring in some new pieces and improve next year.

It'll be a hopeful sign if free-agency money goes toward solid young linemen coming off of their rookie contracts. It'll indicate $nyder's not involved. Lots of week spots, but the lines are paramount.

Quinn3 pasted an SI article here at 3:34. Don Banks says it's sinking in on Shanny now: what coaching $nyder's team is really like. And a sense of desperation is setting in. The eyes set deep in Shanny's purple face WERE a little crazed Sunday. But that's his default look as far as I can tell. Banks says the Skins are fighting the Cowpies for last place in the NFC East. Unfortunately, we know who has a lock on last. The game in Dallas is going to be ugly.

This team is the Detroit Lions in the making unless the Skins commit to rebuilding. It's time to thank and release a large number of veterans: Portis, Daniels, McNabb, Sellers, Rabach, Fletcher, Holliday, Hicks, etc. I understand we might not win a game next year. But the temporary damage would be a small price to pay compared to remaining perennial losers. Let a young, fast group learn the O and D together, and we'll see real progression over the years, provided $nyder allows some stability in the front office.


Posted by: DannyH8r | December 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This move, and the timing of such, does not surprise me. After yet another sad team performance, this time at the Meadowlands, attention is diverted from a bad team to one player, Albert Haynesworth. A great strategy in diverting attention from the slow, old and sadly unprepared team that this current regime puts on the field?

Dropping AH is no major loss, and really not a very big deal considering how little he played this season. But the team will be just as bad without Albert than it was with him.

Posted by: sadskin | December 7, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes,... but 8 weeks too late!

Posted by: fr3dmars | December 7, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I whole heartedly agree with you. I just think your dear diary crap is not only lame but also gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Scamp's coming out!!

Not that there's anything wrong with it, of course... just saying.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 7, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahah wait a minute hahahahaha Vonnie Holliday and Lorenzo Alexander? Are you serious. If the Skins are so disgruntle with Haynesworth cut him then. Take your loss and cut him them. Oh yeah thats right Shanahan is taking this personal and its not about the best interest of the team and you guys think this is the person who is going to lead you our of the cellar. The Skins fans deserve better than this. Why am I the only one that see the Redskins need a coach who is a motivator not one who has a history of personal grudges. The time is over for that and the Skins need to put a team that compete until the whistle blow and by that token not even your beloved Vonnie Holliday and Lorenzo Alexander will be able to help you. This is a players league not an old washed up coaches league, Shanahan has never been able to relate to the players. You want the best and hold them to a very high standard it will be status quo for the Redskins. With Clinton Portis being gone this is the new Detroit Lions (0-16). No one has focus on the fact that the Skins come out week in and week out under prepared, offensively and defensively. Case in point the Skins act as if the New York Giants have never ran the ball. As far as if they are better without Haynesworth from what I have seen is he is the only guy who creates QB pressure, Orakpo and any defensive player is non-existent without him. That is what he did for the Skins. He is being attacked for the money he makes not for what he has done for this team. Shanahan take blame and responsibility for not being prepared offensively and defensively each week. Take blame for cutting Willie Parker and Larry Johnson to end up with some no name guys that couldn't get a 100 yards on a JV team. The Skins deserve better than what you are providing them. It will take the Skins 5 years to get out from under the damage you will cause this team.

Posted by: Tdroberts13 | December 7, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahah wait a minute hahahahaha Vonnie Holliday and Lorenzo Alexander? Are you serious. If the Skins are so disgruntle with Haynesworth cut him then. Take your loss and cut him them. Oh yeah thats right Shanahan is taking this personal and its not about the best interest of the team and you guys think this is the person who is going to lead you our of the cellar. The Skins fans deserve better than this. Why am I the only one that see the Redskins need a coach who is a motivator not one who has a history of personal grudges. The time is over for that and the Skins need to put a team that compete until the whistle blow and by that token not even your beloved Vonnie Holliday and Lorenzo Alexander will be able to help you. This is a players league not an old washed up coaches league, Shanahan has never been able to relate to the players. You want the best and hold them to a very high standard it will be status quo for the Redskins. With Clinton Portis being gone this is the new Detroit Lions (0-16). No one has focus on the fact that the Skins come out week in and week out under prepared, offensively and defensively. Case in point the Skins act as if the New York Giants have never ran the ball. As far as if they are better without Haynesworth from what I have seen is he is the only guy who creates QB pressure, Orakpo and any defensive player is non-existent without him. That is what he did for the Skins. He is being attacked for the money he makes not for what he has done for this team. Shanahan take blame and responsibility for not being prepared offensively and defensively each week. Take blame for cutting Willie Parker and Larry Johnson to end up with some no name guys that couldn't get a 100 yards on a JV team. The Skins fans deserve better.

Posted by: Tdroberts13 | December 7, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

well they won't be distracted but they'll still be sorry. thought ol coach said in training camp that he had the defensive players he needed. this was without A.H. I guess he just didn't have a clue

Posted by: aypub | December 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

well they won't be distracted but they'll still be sorry. thought ol coach said in training camp that he had the defensive players he needed. this was without A.H. I guess he just didn't have a clue

Posted by: aypub | December 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

well they won't be distracted but they'll still be sorry. thought ol coach said in training camp that he had the defensive players he needed. this was without A.H. I guess he just didn't have a clue

Posted by: aypub | December 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should donate Albert's remaining salary to the 99's as a gesture of good will since everyone else could care less. We live in a cruel society when someone can disrespect their good fortune to this degree while so many others are struggling.

Posted by: justgeoff | December 7, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Jason:

Care to speculate on how many years it will be before this dumb pile of moron scat ends up destitute and on the streets?

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 7, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

No, they didn't handle it correctly. Like I said from the beginning, actually even BEFORE the beginning...

Should have put him on the practice squad and encouraged him to eat himself into retirement. We would have forgotten he existed about 3 months ago.

Instead, Shanaidiot and company turned it into a full-blown soap opera, allowed him to basically do more harm than good, created a weekly distraction that, at one point, had divided the locker room...

I'd say, "No." The overrated millionaire goofball didn't handle it right. He turned it into a pissing contest for no reason.

I hope they sit on Big Al.

Let him sit there and watch his football prime pass away, getting paid, eating, impregnating strippers... Let him be him. A fate worse than broke.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what ShanaLiar is going to use now... As a diversion, I mean.

I guess now he'll actually have to talk about the product on the field.

Yikes. No wonder he kept Fat Al around so long.

I don't really care either way about Haynesworth. I thought it should have been done by game 1. Over. In the books.

What concerns me MORE is that our head coach seems to be a moron, in addition to being a liar, a tyrant, an egomaniac, and a fraud.

Other than that everything with the team seems great. Got the new culture in place... Had the walls painted... Rearranged the weight room... And... Well, that's about it.

I'm lovin' it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Can both Shanahan's and Haslett be suspended for "coaching" (and I use that term loosely) detrimental to the team?

Posted by: jmueller7 | December 8, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what ShanaLiar is going to use now... As a diversion, I mean.

I guess now he'll actually have to talk about the product on the field.

Yikes. No wonder he kept Fat Al around so long.

I don't really care either way about Haynesworth. I thought it should have been done by game 1. Over. In the books.

What concerns me MORE is that our head coach seems to be a moron, in addition to being a liar, a tyrant, an egomaniac, and a fraud.

Other than that everything with the team seems great. Got the new culture in place... Had the walls painted... Rearranged the weight room... And... Well, that's about it.

I'm lovin' it.
Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

you got the part right that they dont want us to focus on how horrible "future is now" team is with McCHOKE missing wideopen wr's and throwing to double and triple covered wr's instead!! WE NEED TO START OVER AND REBUILD!!!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | December 8, 2010 2:10 AM | Report abuse

I voted no because Cerrato and Snyder should have never signed him in the first place…At the time of his signing there were several position needs and through free agency we could have filled three of those needs. Instead Snyder spent a lot of money for one free agent… AH92. Point is the amount of money spent could have gotten several players for the same amount spent. The overall team would have been better.

Posted by: fat_back | December 8, 2010 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 7, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

you got the part right that they dont want us to focus on how horrible "future is now" team is with McCHOKE missing wideopen wr's and throwing to double and triple covered wr's instead!! WE NEED TO START OVER AND REBUILD!!!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | December 8, 2010 2:10 AM |

Well, in my opinion, we could start rebuilding by ditching Santana Moss. Seen him "break" anything lately? I can remember at least 2 balls this year that hit him in his hands that turned into interceptions.

Phillip Daniels? Want to win? Trade him to New England for anything. Trade him for Super Bowl tickets. But keeping him here, while he's crying because he never won anything... Just is not right. We don't need him and we're YEARS away from winning.

I almost think we've got to first wait out Shanny and Son. We need to ditch Cooley, too, if we can get something for him. We need to turn our roster into an Offensive Line picking machine as fast as possible. McNabb wont be here for it. We're really years away. What does Cooley do that some regular guy with good hands can't do?

And can we put Rabach on the block? Please? He's an embarrassment. Our safeties? I mean, this team is a joke. I remember when everybody COULDN'T WAIT for Kareem Moore to come back. I tried to warn them! The best safety we've ever had got murdered. It sucks. But if you think about adding pieces like we did under Gibbs II, you'll start to get depressed like I am and realize we are a decade away from being good. It could happen sooner, with some luck, but luck is not something we've had a lot of.

I'll put it this way. By the time we've got a young, stud offensive line in place and a Pro Bowl QB, RB, WR, Pass Rusher, CB, and Safety... I mean, Brandon Banks will have retired. It's gonna be THAT hard.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 8, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

At least GM Allen didn't call Albert "Macaca."

Posted by: RoJaKa | December 7, 2010 5:52 PM |

I'm betting that, behind closed doors, he probably did.

Now, can we get back to some "Hip Hip Hooray?"

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 8, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Deep down, I really want to give Shanahan and company a chance to impliment their systems, get their players in here and see if they can turn this thing around.

But honestly, I've hated almost every move he's made so far (along with all the moves he's failed to make too). Starting with hiring his son, the offseason nonsense, the players he drafted, the players he brought in here, the 3/4 switch, the McNabb deal, Free Agency deals, the horrible list of RB's, WR's and linemen he's stuck us with, the whole Haynesworth situation, the way he's handled other players, the way he seems to have a problem talking straight, the game planning and play calling I've seen up this point, etc. The list just keeps growing each week.

It's like everything he's touched so far ... he's made worse. Not just a little worse, but a complete and utter disaster.

He's brought almost 40 new players in here this year, and for the life of me, I can't name more than maybe 3 that should even make the roster next year.

I understand it's going to take time ... but so far, I'm about as unimpressed as I could be.

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | December 8, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Another free agent bust. One more senile head coach. This team has turned into a NFL joke. While other teams are playing for playoff seating’s or just respectability, the Skins are in the usual “wait until next year” mode. Someone/Something has destroyed this franchise.

Posted by: dc4life | December 8, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Mike.........What took you so long?

Posted by: RealConservative | December 8, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

No, they shouldn't have signed him in the first place. Having done so, they should have traded him prior to the draft for whatever they could have gotten.

The Washington Redskins franchise stinks from the top down. So long as lil'Danny Snyder is part of the ownership group the team will be a total failure. He can't help but stick his nose in an area he knows nothing about.

Posted by: tkoho | December 8, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

When I first read one of Thinker's posts I read it too quickly, and it looked like he was saying that Fat Al was going to spend his time eating and impregnating strippers. Had to read it again for the puntuation and meaning. Good morning laugh though.

Posted by: ggt546 | December 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

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