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Poll: Do you believe Haynesworth?

In the wake of the highly paid defensive lineman's most recent comments, we ask:

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  August 22, 2010; 2:06 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , Mike Shanahan , offseason workouts , preseason games  | Tags: Albert Haynesworth  
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NoComments? WTF?

OK, FIRST OF ALL...

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 22, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Whoever says Haynesworth is lying is crazy.

Whoever says the team is lying is missing the point.

The correct answer is...

C) I don't care.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 22, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree with B-Mitch in the CSN post-game. If it was something more than headaches and dehydration... then tell us what it was! Why bother lashing out via the media, if you aren't going to give any details?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | August 22, 2010 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Albert, may you someday pull your tampon out and get with the program.

And please, London and/or Phillip or every single teammate, take this big tub of goo out back and kick his a$$ until he is fully towards the cause.

I think the most demeaning and despicable characterization of an athlete is to be describe as a terrible teammate. You are absolutely pathetic, Albert...

Posted by: redskinbo | August 22, 2010 3:01 AM | Report abuse

I've always hated soap operas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 22, 2010 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Alright Shanahan, you made your point. Now you just risk "losing" an all-pro caliber completely. If he plays like he doesn't care, then he not only hurts the team, but trading him along with his fat contract are virtually impossible. It's becoming a lose lose situation and that I would blame on Shanahan. AH a primma donna with a contract he should have never have gotten. Ok. We all know that, but make the best of it not the worst.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 22, 2010 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Those were symptoms of dehydration/heat exhaustion.

He needed to stop and rehydrate. After heat exhaustion comes heat stroke then death!

It's serious stuff - BUT it really should never come to that point. They're pro athletes/physicians and should know this.

Posted by: charley42 | August 22, 2010 4:13 AM | Report abuse

Wait... Who is this Haynesworth guy, and how come I'm just hearing about him now? Way to keep us informed, RI....

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 22, 2010 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Fats, fats, fats....c'mon mane. What do you want? You want the team to cower and kiss your fat arse at the mention of your name? You want the team to cater to your needs/ wants? You didn't come to the off season program with the other 99% of the team, but you feel everyone is wrong but you. You want to be Brett Favre. You want to ride in on your white horse and have everyone kiss your arse. You sorry s.o.s. get lost. Please shanny get rid of his arse! I would trade his arse for some pocket lint and a wad of gum right about now.

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 22, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse

And why is JZ getting an effing gatorade bath for a pre-season game? Is this what the sh!t has come to?

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 22, 2010 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is lying. So is the team.

And I would like the saga to please continue into infinity, if possible.

Just get that fat fool ready to go against Dallas! The guy cannot be blocked! What to do with him?! Talk about a headcase!

Just get him in there with the starters by week 1.

Please.

I'm a lot more concerned about Andre Carter's "Blind Frankenstein" impersonation. Do we not have anybody athletic to play left end? Man, I hope I'm wrong about what I'm seeing from Carter. I really hope so.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 22, 2010 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Five quick thoughts
By: John Keim

1. There’s no way this can end well with Albert Haynesworth. He’s already ticked off and we’re not even into the regular season yet. During the game I wondered what he thought about playing in the third quarter of a game and, sure enough, he was upset about that. This smells like another message being delivered by the coaches. If he can play, why not play him in the nickel with the starters? But here’s the thing about Haynesworth and him being upset about what Mike Shanahan said about his injuries: if you talked during the week, you could have let everyone know what was wrong. When you let others talk for you, this is what happens.

2. Didn’t see a whole lot of burst by Larry Johnson, but it’s not as if he had a whole lot of holes to choose from. It wasn’t a good night. The drop was bad, but it’s what he’s shown in camp; too often he’s turning his head upfield before he secures the ball. And don’t blame him for what appeared to be a failed blitz pickup; he was going out for a screen on the play and neither blitzer was his responsibility. He had two options: try and slow a blitz or get to the route quicker. Alas, he did neither.

3. It makes no sense to think that Anthony Armstrong should start when the season opens. But he’s been one of the most consistent receivers from the spring workouts to now. Good kid, too. And I’m still not going to go that far to say he should start. However, I haven’t seen a whole lot from Joey Galloway; and I’m stunned that he was rarely a target and then left the game early so others could play. Need to see something at some point to see what he has left. By the way, Donovan McNabb was really off and prevented some players from being able to run after the catch because he'd throw to the wrong shoulder, forcing them to slow down or stop. Armstrong should have scored on his long catch, but McNabb underthrew him. Really, this is what we've seen of McNabb in practice. Still, 11 completions and 209 passing yards.

4. The No. 1 defense was OK and only allowed 10 points, though seven came after the fake punt. Still, wasn’t like they were all that great, either. The tackling is not crisp enough yet; some angles weren’t the best. But DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers did good jobs vs. the run. H.B. Blades completely missed a tackle on the fake punt; had the guy wrapped up and let him go. Blades had a good week of practice, but that was rough. Perry Riley failed to make a stop at the goal-line on another run.

5. Trent Williams had a rough night vs. Terrell Suggs. On one play, he stopped after riding Suggs out. But Suggs kept coming and got to McNabb. Two things: Jason Campbell would have been criticized last season for not feeling the pressure in that situation, so McNabb deserves the same. But Williams must learn not to stop blocking his man and he admitted that he thought McNabb had moved up in the pocket already. But Williams got knocked back a couple times too. Not his best outing.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

What a frickin drama queen.

For whatever reason, Dude couldn't seem to make it to practice for most of the week -- and only managed to show up for the final walk-throughs. Then he expects to start?

Coach has made it clear all off-season that players need to practice if they want to play.

Dude should consider himself lucky that he was able to get even a few plays in the third quarter, and frankly, didn't he didn’t do much with that opportunity either.

While everyone else appeared to be giving max effort, Dude was just going through the motions -- and slowly at that.

And then to add insult to "injury" -- Dude then calls out the Coach for somehow failing to appreciate the intricacies of his self-contrived drama?

Yeah right. Coach has more important things to focus on that this totally self-absorbed jerk!

Posted by: Vic1 | August 22, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"Didn’t see a whole lot of burst by Larry Johnson, but it’s not as if he had a whole lot of holes to choose from."


Realistically, who thought L Johnson was going to get decent yards against the ravens' very good front 7?

L Johnson, like bread left in the oven too long, is done.

And he's been that way for a while.

The real question is, in the event of injury to CP or the need of a change 'o pace back, does LJ satisfy?

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 22, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I believe the team did in fact overblow the situation just a bit, but I also think Albert is overblowing it as well.

Posted by: Veretax | August 22, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

thinker_

"I'm a lot more concerned about Andre Carter's "Blind Frankenstein" impersonation."

A Carter IS NOT and outside linebacker.

Someone needs to step into Jim Haslett's mind and kill that notion.

The redskins have obvious needs, now, at FS and OLB.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 22, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

SHUT UP fat albert.. did you hear Osakpo say he wanted to play the entire game??

Well obviously we know he probably didn't literally mean that, but why the F is fat albert complaining? Just do what the coaches are asked of you because you took the damn check. You deserve to play in the third quarter with scrubs. why should you be able to play with the first team when you've practiced 5/18 practices?!!

So if it wasn't headaches then what was it? Clearly it was not bad enough that you had to be taken to a hospital like percy harvin. get his fata** outta here!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 22, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Those were symptoms of dehydration/heat exhaustion.

He needed to stop and rehydrate. After heat exhaustion comes heat stroke then death!

It's serious stuff - BUT it really should never come to that point. They're pro athletes/physicians and should know this.

Posted by: charley42 | August 22, 2010 4:13 AM | Report abuse

You are absolutely right, that's why I'm calling BS on the dehydration excuse. Unless he had a massive hangover and never thoroughly hydrated, he's either pulling a Favre or Shanny is still punishing him (or maybe both). I think it's simply a battle of wills between two extremely stubborn personalities. These stupid games may work at the college level but these guys are professionals. Hard to argue for Haney, he's far from a team player or professional with his greedy, selfish attitude, so I side with Shanny on this one. Still, this is nothing but a childish battle of wills. Who win when we ALL suffer? Trifling.

Posted by: HTTR | August 22, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

Do you believe Albert Haynesworth's accusations?

You're slippin', bro'.

How can you poll folks about their believing a guy who has had, to date, a history of always doing the opposite of what he's told or expected to do?

I goes without saying Prince Al was being fidgety about his 'injuries' this past week (it's called being 'truthy') and expected to be on the field with the starters at some point last night.

He doesn't want to practice, he just wants to play.

He sees third teamer duty as an attack on his manhood.

Such as it is.

And as Sept. 12 approaches, it seems the week to week pattern of AH v. Shanahan is only going to continue.

And neither man is going to back down as the player already has his money, and the coach his methods and madness.

So your real poll is, Should the redskins seek a quick and easy trade or risk months of head coach v. player battlin'?

At this point, I'd say, 'yes'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 22, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I have always said he is too good to just but, but it is time to waive him. I find it hard to believe that anyone else would sign him. The guy is blackballing himself. He just said he is already planning on skipping next year's camp to train with his personal trainer again (NOTE: YOUR PERSONAL TRAINER DIDN'T WORK TIHS OFF SEASON. YOU LOST WEIGHT, BUT NO CARDIO. IN CASE THIS DIDN'T OCCUR TO YOU... IF YOU CAME TO OTAS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUST YOUR FAT ASS TO GET BACK OFF THE 2ND TEAM!! F'ING DUMBASS!!)

Posted by: mrlowery1 | August 22, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

D. Just cut the overpaid malcontent.

Posted by: jburnetti | August 22, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Dude reportedly had a headache, nausea and dehydration...

Classic symptoms of a big old hangover.

Not saying that's the case, but there are reports the Dude is often seen out late at local nightspots with a posse of funny honeys...

Posted by: Vic1 | August 22, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

So you stated on Friday "Fit to play". But didnt practice all week. And have missed 95% of the installation of this D. How does this guy not see it? WHO CARES what the issue was. I'm pretty sure the trainers wouldnt treat you for JUST headaches if there was more. And you wanted to play Sat. OH, just not in the 3rd qtr? Dude just doesnt get it. The team isnt against you. JUST PLAY!!! You know, like you did the year BEFORE you got that contract?????

Posted by: Club320 | August 22, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"He doesn't want to practice, he just wants to play."

He thinks he's "entitled" and he's not. All he said in that interview was "Me, me, me, me, and me."

I'd do a Gruden and just send him home until I ccan figure out what to do with him.

He's a MAJOR distraction at this point.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

And now, in the "Sticks and Stones" Department, let's see who can call Albert Haynesworth the most demeaning, insulting name today. Don't just be angry, petulant, childish, or shrewish. Try to be imaginative, although "imaginative name-calling" is probably an oxymoron.

The early entries have not set the bar very high:

F'ING DUMBASS!! -- Posted by: mrlowery1
fat albert -- Posted by: rachel216
Fats, fats, fats....you sorry s.o.s. -- Posted by: hbu_dog

Come on, this is RI. You can do better than this. Even the Dallas fans who post here are more creative than you three.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse


"I guess to make themselves look good, make me look bad for not going to their offseason conditioning program," Haynesworth said. "But, I mean, next year I'm not coming either. I'm going to be with my trainer again and I'll get back in the same shape I am and feel good about myself."

Does this sound like a 29 yr old man ? Self entitled in his mind, Shanahan has something else in store for this selfish, immature moron.

The poll should've been, should the Redskins cut / trade Stompworth ?

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

What I'm Worried About:

1) Run defense...we have always been stout against the run.

2) Why is Joey Galloway being put on the shelf this preseason? Why are we to assume he is the answer if he doesn't play?

3) Lack of pressure on the QB.

4) Jamal Brown...I think his lack of consistent play due to injury is being underreported.

5) Way too many dropped balls. The Fred Davis drop was inexcusable. We marched right down the field on the #1 defense in the league converting 3 3rd and longs only to come up with 3 points.

6) Blitz pickup

7) OLB


What I'm Not So Worried About...

1) McNabbb and his accuracy...McNabb had some downright awful throws but he converted several 3rd and longs which leads me to believe that we can overcome our mistakes. I can't crucify Jason Campbell on one hand for being gun shy and crucify McNabb for playing aggressively.

2) Trent Williams- the kid is going to get beat and he was going up against one of the best in the league. I'd give him a "C" for last night.

Final Random Thoughts:

Posted by: rickyroge | August 22, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"Didn’t see a whole lot of burst by Larry Johnson, but it’s not as if he had a whole lot of holes to choose from."

Yet somehow Portis turned those non-holes into yards. Next up is Willy Parker, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm pulling for Torain.

Posted by: dcsween | August 22, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

The dude has to smell of alcohol in the AM for practice, which is why they are trying to cover it up. It would look bad for the league on top of all the other drama. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Shannahan is going to comment on Monday on AH's comments, Bruce Allen may take care of this before then. Which is exactly what AH wants. At this point I'm not sure "who" would want him or what we could get at this point. I feel sorry for the team as this is the last "burr in the saddle" that the Vinny/Snyder Regime has left the team to deal with. If they can get an OLB at this point maybe a mid level pick as well ........

Posted by: boysheadcoach | August 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Okay beep-beep, you make one up then. Let's see your creativity.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/25/AR2009122501780.html

This is not the first time he has sounded off to the press about a coach. They need to cut the guy already.

Posted by: Mike4169 | August 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse


"You took the $21 million, you haven't lived up to what you were supposed to do by taking that $21 million, and they have a right to work you as hard as they want. They have a right to play you the whole damn preseason game if they choose to. So if you don't want to do it, give the money back and go somewhere else and go work with your trainer, go do whatever....If you can't follow the orders, can't deal with it, give the money back and go somewhere else."

My man Brian Mitchell.

I can only hope AH is disciplined and punished for this latest outbreak against the team and the head coach.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

As a life long redskins fan im sick of hearing about fat albert. He showed me nothing last year and has only hurt the team this year. Coach shanahan should cut his losses RIGHT NOW. 21 mill. is not wroth the cancer he brings to the locker room. RE: TO. Wise up and get rid of this cancer. He will not help up us make a super bowl he will only hender. please rid the team of the 350 pound cry baby before its to late.

Posted by: melliott23454 | August 22, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Come on, this is RI. You can do better than this. Even the Dallas fans who post here are more creative than you three.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:00 AM

You fail as a Redskins fan to compliment Cowgirl fans over a Skins fan. Booo

Posted by: Mike4169 | August 22, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Does this sound like a 29 yr old man ? Self entitled in his mind, Shanahan has something else in store for this selfish, immature moron.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Shanny knows what he's doing and I'm sure he has a plan. I just wish he'd implement it already, this saga is really getting stale (unless his plan is to "break" Buttersworth, and if that's the case it may never happen).

Posted by: HTTR | August 22, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Come on, this is RI. You can do better than this. Even the Dallas fans who post here are more creative than you three.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:00 AM

You fail as a Redskins fan to compliment Cowgirl fans over a Skins fan. Booo

Posted by: Mike4169 | August 22, 2010 9:22 AM |

That was an insult to all the Redskin fans that post here, beep-beep. Apologies are in order, or you should stay off the this board.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | August 22, 2010 9:02 AM

What I'm Worried About:

1) Run defense - Seems to me AH so be starting at NT, but Shanny will have him come off the bench because AH is in his doghouse. For a big guy, Kemo get's pushed back a bit much at NT.

7) OLB - Carter has a long way to go here. He's thinking a lot out there and teams will attack him both on the ground and via the air. On the Raven's first scoring drive it seemed to me they focused on taking advantage of the play of the OLBs.

I'm concerned about the team's conditioning. Last week McNabb was out of breath after his first down run and he had to use a time out. Yesterday the defense was tired when the Raven's went hurry up. LFB kicked the ball a picked up a delay of the game penalty.

Posted by: TWISI | August 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the game:

-Haynesworth - dizzy and throwing up? Sounds like a hangover to me. Sick, headache, -- whatever: the bottom line is he didn't practice so he should be grateful he got into the game at all.

-Anthony Armstrong - This guy could start. All he does is get open and catch balls. What more do you want from a receiver?

-Devin Thomas - Continues to be inconsistent. Really. Does the team need any more of that?

-Larry Johnson - I really thought he was due a big game and instead he totally underwhelmed. I'd be inclined to give him another chance because the Baltimore defensive line was man handling Washington's, but Portis was productive when he was in, so...

-Shanahan - I don't know why Bartel didn't get on the field in the second half. I would like to see him play this preseason. They pretty much know what they have in Grossman, so why keep him in there?

-Ravens - They showed a lot more of their regular season playbook than the Redskins did. The fake punt was genius, but why do this in the preseason? I guess you need to practice it, but against guys who might not be in the NFL in a couple of weeks...?

-Offensive line - Needs work. The starters did okay on that initial series, but the second string guys are not very good. Trent Williams will need help with speed rushers when the regular season starts. Shanny Jr. better queue up those two tight end sets.

-Free safety - The Redskins are in trouble. They don't have a bona fide backup free safety. With Moore out, maybe now is the time to take a look at Barnes or Rogers as a free safety. Neither Horton or Doughty are great coverage guys. In fact, I think Doughty proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt in the game. With Doughty and Landry playing the cover two, the Redskins have more like cover 0.5.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

RSH you made some good points. I think DT is needed on the team. I think he'll keep improving the more comfortable he get's what what is expected from him a the WR position. He was getting open he just has to be better than 50/50 at catching the ball. Also he made two great blocks in the return. The first on Banks' TD. The second K Williams hit the hole too slow getting stopped at the 27.

Posted by: TWISI | August 22, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

-Anthony Armstrong - This guy could start. All he does is get open and catch balls. What more do you want from a receiver?

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Blocking down the field and he was doing that really well too. :-) While I think I could get open against the Ravens secondary he has impressed me as well.

Thanks for your breakdown BTW.

GO Skins! I think if the starters play the entire game the Skins win that one. The Ravens were over emotional about a pre season game as well. In the regular season the Skins are going to match that energy.

Posted by: Mike4169 | August 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

That was an insult to all the Redskin fans that post here, beep-beep. Apologies are in order, or you should stay off the this board.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:27 AM

LOL. It's an insult to those who call Haynesworth the same tired, worn out names and are less creative than the Dallas trolls who post here. If you think otherwise, he$$one, then I agree to disagree.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

RIGGO said they should just cut their losses and dump BIG AL. I now concur.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 22, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

LOL. It's an insult to those who call Haynesworth the same tired, worn out names and are less creative than the Dallas trolls who post here. If you think otherwise, he$$one, then I agree to disagree.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:39 AM

Closet Cowboy fan!

Oh and Haynesworthless is a fat, over paid, punk. No creativity should be wasted on his melodramatic fat a$$. He has packed it in while getting paid millions and millions of dollars. While 10% of our country cannot find a job. He is a waste of flesh.

Posted by: Mike4169 | August 22, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Did 'TD' MARKO score for MINNESOTA again?

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 22, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

It's highly original to call Albert "fat."

At any rate, the offseason conditioning program is VOLUNTARY.

If they want everyone there, make it MANDATORY.

Shanahan has made his point; the genius is in knowing when to let it go. If he doesn't let it go this week, he'll end up losing Haynesworth, which costs the team money, unwanted drama and a waste of an all-pro defensive player.

Know when to say "when" Mikey.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse


LOL. It's an insult to those who call Haynesworth the same tired, worn out names and are less creative than the Dallas trolls who post here. If you think otherwise, he$$one, then I agree to disagree.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:39 AM |

This is a board where folks post what they want to. You've b!tched in the past about board police yourself. You're arguing with several posters everyday. Give it a break. If you want to compliment Cowboy fans and criticize Redskin fans, knock yourself out. I agree with AH being slammed everyway possible. Do you want to side with this loser ?

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Did 'TD' MARKO score for MINNESOTA again?

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 22, 2010 9:44 AM

The game is tonight. Brett and Marko spent about 4 hours practicing their timing yesterday so they would be on the same page tonight.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

RSH you made some good points. I think DT is needed on the team. I think he'll keep improving the more comfortable he get's what what is expected from him a the WR position. He was getting open he just has to be better than 50/50 at catching the ball. Also he made two great blocks in the return. The first on Banks' TD. The second K Williams hit the hole too slow getting stopped at the 27.

Posted by: TWISI | August 22, 2010 9:38 AM
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I hear it a lot that DT is a great blocker, and I agree, but he has to make those clutch catches or else he is just a glorified, undersized offensive lineman. The team needs receivers that can catch the ball in clutch situations. So far, I have seen more of that from Moss, Armstrong, Austin and Williams than from Thomas, Galloway, Wade, Hodge or Banks.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Those were symptoms of dehydration/heat exhaustion.He needed to stop and rehydrate. After heat exhaustion comes heat stroke then death!"Posted by: charley42"

Didn't Shanahan complain that Albert was only on the field for 20 minutes or so during the practice in question? Be odd if that was indicative of dehydration/ heat-related illness.

Sounds like Shanahan thought he should have practiced, and Albert disagreed. As usual, the player won that battle, and sat out the practice.

Don't forget that even last season, Albert was very sensitive about getting the blame for the team's poor performance. He knew he was the team's best-paid, highest profile player. In fact, he was a lot more concerned about the blame than about the poor performance.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if this sort of thing doesn't continue throughout the season, or for as long as Albert Haynesworth plays in Washington.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/08/22/initial-thoughts-ravens-23-redskins-3/

Excerpt:

*The Ravens were able to move the ball with short, quick passes to the outside. It’s exactly what Buffalo did last week. It seemed that the Ravens took advantage of LB Brian Orakpo’s pass rushes. When he vacated space, they attacked it. We’ll have to stay tuned to see if that’s a formula other teams use.
--------------------------------------------

Hope they have an answer for this against the Jets

Posted by: TWISI | August 22, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

RIGGO said they should just cut their losses and dump BIG AL. I now concur.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 22, 2010 9:43 AM
------------------------------------------
If they cut him today, the Giants or Eagles will scoop him up tomorrow and then we will be facing him twice a year. He'll also be carrying his defensive playbook with him - or at least, a copy of his defensive playbook...

Irony would be if they put Haynesworth on the injured reserve for... migraines.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

albert said,
"I don't know what's going on," he said in the parking lot, "but I've never seen anything like this."

uh...yeah...me neither. what a #$%#$%ing jerk.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

This is a board where folks post what they want to.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:48 AM

Thanks. That's what I do.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"RIGGO said they should just cut their losses and dump BIG AL. I now concur."

No way.

Send him home like Gruden did with Keyshawn. Let him sit at home the entire season, trade him next year after the lock out.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Know when to say "when" Mikey.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

So what is Shanahan supposed to do? He said that players have to practice in order to play. He's made a pretty big deal about it. So AH didn't practice most of this week and then he announces on Friday that he'll play in the game?

Please.

This isn't necessarily punishment for offseason, it's more SOP. The only reason he played at all was because it's preseason and he needs the work in this new defense. And that's precisely because he hasn't practiced enough.

Refreshing amounts of accountability the likes of which we haven't seen in a long, long time. That said, I'm sure Shanny isn't shying away from conflict and by all accounts carries a grudge pretty much indefinitely.

But the rules are the rules.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

RSH you made some good points. I think DT is needed on the team. I think he'll keep improving the more comfortable he get's what what is expected from him a the WR position. He was getting open he just has to be better than 50/50 at catching the ball. Also he made two great blocks in the return. The first on Banks' TD. The second K Williams hit the hole too slow getting stopped at the 27.

Posted by: TWISI | August 22, 2010 9:38 AM
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I hear it a lot that DT is a great blocker, and I agree, but he has to make those clutch catches or else he is just a glorified, undersized offensive lineman. The team needs receivers that can catch the ball in clutch situations. So far, I have seen more of that from Moss, Armstrong, Austin and Williams than from Thomas, Galloway, Wade, Hodge or Banks.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 9:51 AM
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Another point is when they evaluate who to keep at wide receiver, they have to look at the fact that DT has been with the team three years and he still makes those mental errors. You look at younger players like Austin and Armstrong, who are catching everything thrown to them, and you say, "who has the most potential"? I am of the school of thought that says DT should be traded now for whatever they can get out of him. I would also say that Galloway has no place on this team. Roydell Williams is on his way back and I would keep the young guys. MK should get healthy and be traded or cut.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Observations:

Trent Williams is going to need help against the better pass rushers. Suggs is a tremendous OLB but he is not a pass rush specialist.

The Oline as a whole did a decent job in pass blocking and picking up the blitz.

The running game was bad last night but that is to be expected against the Ravens. Armstrong looked like the best receiver last night. Devin Thomas was invisible.

McNabb is about what I expected of him. He is not good on the short underneath stuff. He looked like he was limping a bit after taking two big hits.

The defense was decent last night. Did not get a lot of pressure which was disappointing considering the Ravens were using their 3rd and 4th string RT. Landry looked good.

The only way I see this team being 9-9 is if there are no injuries. The depth behind the starters is horrific. McNabb was limping a bit last night and I don't see him playing all 16 games.

Other than Landry, Armstrong and Cooley there were not a ton of positives.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"He'll also be carrying his defensive playbook with him - or at least, a copy of his defensive playbook..."

He can't keep the playbook by league standards and it's not like he knows any of it.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"-Ravens - They showed a lot more of their regular season playbook than the Redskins did. The fake punt was genius, but why do this in the preseason? I guess you need to practice it, but against guys who might not be in the NFL in a couple of weeks...? posted by RedSkinHead"

Yeah, I wondered about that. But Harbaugh was special teams coach in Philly for nine years, and maybe he likes to plant doubts in the minds of opposing coordinators -- give them another thing to worry about when they play Baltimore later on. Slow down the rush on punts.

He's definitely one of those coaches who believes in running most of their offensive package early on. Of course, it's been pretty vanilla in the past, so maybe there's not that much to steal. If the Ravens can run on you, they can beat you. If they can't, you have a good chance against them.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we just stop talking about this already! Enough is enough! Shanny is trying to show who is boss....Albert feels like he is purposely being embarrassed and the media just will not let it die.

After the game, I heard from every media outlet that Albert was "going off." I did not hear him "going off." Was he unhappy? Yes. Sarcastic? Yep. But "going off" to me equates yelling, cursing, and maybe throwing things. I saw none of that - in fact, Albert was speaking very softly.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 22, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth seems to think that hes a star and everybody should just hand him a starting job like they handed him a 21 millon dollar check, Hell he shouldnt have been on the field in the 3 rd quarter he is right about that because he shouldnt be on the field at all since he is the Biggest P O S in the history of the NFL. What a joke please cut this " CANCER" before he ruins your team

Posted by: knepp023 | August 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse


This is a board where folks post what they want to.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 9:48 AM

Thanks. That's what I do.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:00 AM |


So stop policing what other folks post.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Observations:

Trent Williams is going to need help against the better pass rushers. Suggs is a tremendous OLB but he is not a pass rush specialist.
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really?

he missed 3 games last year, but in his first 6 seasons he averaged 9 sacks/yr

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"The only way I see this team being 9-9"

So that's a wild card at 9-7 with a loss in the NFC championship game? I like where your head's at.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The running game was bad last night but that is to be expected against the Ravens.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:03 AM

Ravens defense was #3 in the league last year, #5 against the run.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

^^^
Wow, am I hungover. That's easily the dumbest thing I've ever said up here.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Refreshing amounts of accountability the likes of which we haven't seen in a long, long time. That said, I'm sure Shanny isn't shying away from conflict and by all accounts carries a grudge pretty much indefinitely.

But the rules are the rules.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 22, 2010 10:02 AM |
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If you're right, then Shanahan is as big a fool as Albert.

This is about winning games, not about holding "grudges" and stoking conflict.

Any point Shanny wanted to make has been MADE. So he should drop it.

They should both knock off the BS and get back to "you-play-I-coach-let's-go-win-some-games-this-year."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/08/22/initial-thoughts-ravens-23-redskins-3/

Excerpt:

*The Ravens were able to move the ball with short, quick passes to the outside. It’s exactly what Buffalo did last week. It seemed that the Ravens took advantage of LB Brian Orakpo’s pass rushes. When he vacated space, they attacked it. We’ll have to stay tuned to see if that’s a formula other teams use.
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Hope they have an answer for this against the Jets

Posted by: TWISI | August 22, 2010 9:52 AM
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The answer would be to use more of their defensive playbook. The Redskins couldn't be running anything more conservative. Haslett will probably open up the playbook a little more next game as the third preseason game is usually the tune up for the regular season.

Thanks for the link. I disagree with the author under-emphasizing the injury to Moore and its impact. Doughty looked slow out there last night. They need someone to pony up at free safety and they don't have that guy now. I'll restate that they should look at moving Rogers or Barnes to free. Frankly, I think Rogers could be a great free safety and if Rogers was moved there, Moore would never win his job back. I think Buchanan could backfill Rogers position, but I would let Tryon and Barnes compete for it as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


"RIGGO said they should just cut their losses and dump BIG AL. I now concur."

No way.

Send him home like Gruden did with Keyshawn. Let him sit at home the entire season, trade him next year after the lock out.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 10:01 AM |


Easy co-sign here Ray !

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So stop policing what other folks post.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 10:08 AM

You're free to police me, but I'm not free to post what I want? I agree to disagree.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we just stop talking about this already! Enough is enough!

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 22, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Don't blame us, we're not the ones posting Haynesworth topics and stupid polls. Shall we stay off topic and talk about politics or how badly Cowboys fans suck instead?

Posted by: HTTR | August 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"-Ravens - They showed a lot more of their regular season playbook than the Redskins did. The fake punt was genius, but why do this in the preseason? I guess you need to practice it, but against guys who might not be in the NFL in a couple of weeks...? posted by RedSkinHead"

I heard on the radio that he did that to break in a new long snapper. Did not want his first trick play to be during the regular season.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"He'll also be carrying his defensive playbook with him - or at least, a copy of his defensive playbook..."

He can't keep the playbook by league standards and it's not like he knows any of it.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 10:03 AM
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There was this invention by Xerox a few years ago. You might have heard of it... it's a copier. You can make photocopies of stuff.

Sorry, don't mean to be contrite, but don't be naive. Carrying the playbook with him would increase his value and don't you think a nice, upstanding citizen like Haynesworth might possibly want to stick it to the Redskins when he left? He'd probably post the defensive playbook on his website.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

From the Ravens' side, they can't be very happy with their performance in the first half, either. Ray Rice picked up yards but actually lost the handle on two of his three carries. Stallworth also put one on the ground. Baltimore was lucky to lose only one of their four fumbles.

Mike Oher struggled a bit at tackle. Still, the better team won.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Any point Shanny wanted to make has been MADE. So he should drop it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I can agree with the dropping of the BS, but answer this: If Shanahan has a rule against players playing in games when they don't practice during the week, he should let AH start after not practicing? How is undermining his own authority going to help them win games? How many games did the pushover of a HC win last year?

Again, it may be a grudge issue, but AH didn't practice during the week so he didn't start. Don't see what is unusual about this other than we haven't seen this kind of consistency in a long time.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 22, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"Sorry, don't mean to be contrite, but don't be naive."

At least I'm not the only hungover one up here this morning...j/k

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 22, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd do a Gruden and just send him home until I ccan figure out what to do with him.

He's a MAJOR distraction at this point.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 8:58 AM

Ray, He's been a distraction on this blog, but how has he been a distraction to the team? And how will sending him home make him less a distraction, rather than more of a distraction?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Trent Williams is going to need help against the better pass rushers. Suggs is a tremendous OLB but he is not a pass rush specialist.
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really?

he missed 3 games last year, but in his first 6 seasons he averaged 9 sacks/yr

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Suggs is asked to do a lot more than rush the passer. He is not always getting after the passer. Averaged 9 sacks is not a lot. He is very good at rushing the passer but is also good at playing the run and dropping back in coverage. When I think of pass rush specialist I think of Ware, Freeney, Allen and Woodley.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Watching the re-run on NFL network...

Observation 1: We need some stick-um on the WRs hands.
Observation 2: Larry Johnson doesn't belong on this roster.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

From the Ravens' side, they can't be very happy with their performance in the first half, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, aside from all the doom and gloom up in here if you compare the 1st stringers, i.e. the 1st half, it was really a 3-3 game (that fake punt was garbage and I'm not putting that one on our defense). Clearly, not a great performance but against a quality team like Baltimore I'm not totally tanking the season.

Although I'm one of the first in line to point to our various flaws at this point, I keep reminding myself that it's only preseason game 2. As long as I see some progress by regular season I think we'll be ok.

Posted by: HTTR | August 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Averaged 9 sacks is not a lot.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:32 AM

Not a lot? Last year only 15 players in the league had more than 9 sacks.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is a hemorrhoid that must be surgically removed else your azz is going to launch you into painful orbit hell.

Posted by: getitritegov | August 22, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Suggs is a terrific pass rusher, and OK at the other LB tasks. Thing I noticed last night is how much of their defensive package the Ravens used, particularly in view of how vanilla the Skins were. I always wonder about teams that show a lot of stuff during the preseason -- is it because they need the practice, or because they want to gain some momentum? Harbaugh is a notorious perfectionist, to the point of absolutely going off on his first-string defense for a lousy showing in practice back in early August. A lot of people are picking the Ravens to win it all, and maybe that's infected their thinking, too.

All I know is that showing a bunch of blitzes in the second preseason game is definitely not the NFL practice.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Clearly, not a great performance but against a quality team like Baltimore I'm not totally tanking the season."

Oh God no. Same with the Jets next week. You know Shanahan will focus on the team's real weaknesses: the run game, on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Averaged 9 sacks is not a lot.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:32 AM

Not a lot? Last year only 15 players in the league had more than 9 sacks.

Posted by: beep-beep

The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion he is not as good rushing the passer as Ware, Freeney, Allen and Woodley. While Suggs is one of the better pass rushers the fact that he abused Williams does not bode well for him against Ware, Allen, Freeny, Mario and Peppers. He is going to need help and will not be able to be left on an Island.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse


Ray, He's been a distraction on this blog, but how has he been a distraction to the team? And how will sending him home make him less a distraction, rather than more of a distraction?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 10:30 AM |

Perhaps he wouldn't be a distraction on this board, if Shanahan sent him home.

C'mon, he's a distraction no matter where he is, on the board , or worse yet, a team distraction. Ray is right on this one, and Gruden did the right thing in Tampa.

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Sorry, don't mean to be contrite, but don't be naive."

Well, let's look at what happend to the Patriots when they "spied" on other teams a couple years back:

"Patriots coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on the New York Jets' defensive signals last Sunday. Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't."

So what do you think would happen to the team that actually tried to use someones playbook? Besides, that's what game film is for. Sure, they could grill Fat Al but he doesn't know any of it and from all accounts doesn't plan to.

"Ray, He's been a distraction on this blog, but how has he been a distraction to the team?"

Coaches trying to help him extra, players trying to help him extra, media distractions(I.E. - T.O.), his "me, me, me" attitide, player resentment...

He's this big fat walking cloud at Redskins Park that needs rain on someone elses NFL team. He said he was close to signing with the Giants, I sure wish he had.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

i say kick fat Albert to the curb,and that fumble that Tryon caused was a fumble and the guy was going backwards not fowards. The officiating sucked b*lls as usual.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 22, 2010 10:12 AM

gotta go with romolongballs on this one. just because albert complains doesn't mean he is being punished.

if you don't practice, you don't play. he should be grateful he got the opportunity to play at all, so from where i'm sitting, shanahan gave him a pass.

if albert concentrates on giving 100% each day and ignores everything else, he can make this whole thing go away and everyone will love him. it really is that simple.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | August 22, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse


"Ray, He's been a distraction on this blog, but how has he been a distraction to the team?"

Coaches trying to help him extra, players trying to help him extra, media distractions(I.E. - T.O.), his "me, me, me" attitide, player resentment...

He's this big fat walking cloud at Redskins Park that needs rain on someone elses NFL team. He said he was close to signing with the Giants, I sure wish he had.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 10:51 AM |

Hayneswoth = Massive Team Distraction

Posted by: hessone | August 22, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Watching the reply too - when does the fake punt happen? Or did I miss it already? The game is in the second quarter right now (we just recovered the fumble).

Posted by: suzannepdc | August 22, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion he is not as good rushing the passer as Ware, Freeney, Allen and Woodley."
srobert1117"

I'm surprised to hear that. I would definitely put him in that group -- maybe not as fast anymore, but experienced and a real challenge for rookie offensive tackles. Particularly the way Baltimore uses him, which they showed us quite of a bit of last night, even though it's preseason.

Peppers and Mario Williams represent a completely different sort of player, of course, so not good ground for head-to-head comparison.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

nevermind...just saw it

Posted by: suzannepdc | August 22, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice the cheerleader's new Gold Uni's? Can you say GOLD PANTS!!!!!!

Posted by: roccoskins | August 22, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Send [Albert] home like Gruden did with Keyshawn. Let him sit at home the entire season, trade him next year after the lock out.- Ray Posted by: rmcazz"

Now THAT would be a major distraction -- as it was for the Bucs.

Albert's going to complain when the team loses, just as insurance in case anybody blames him.

He's going to feel good when the team wins, especially if he played well.

He's always going to feel like practice is totally unnecessary in the face of his dazzling natural greatness.

And Mike Shanahan is always going to disagree with that view.

Really, how distracting is that? Not much. Teams get used to that sort of thing. They did in Tennessee. And when Albert left, nobody cried too much. Vince Young was a much bigger deal down there.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Points well made and duly noted Roge.

Our first round pick, Mr. Trench Williams? He's performing to expectations. Never fall in love with the rookie -- he will wow you one day and break your heart the next (paging Greg Blache.)

The greater concern?

The OL in general. Last night against the Raven's front, they were rocking back on their heels against the pressure package in the red zone. Other than that, they failed to create a surge in the run game at all. This OL is a huge question mark. New pieces are in place, and the group is out of tune. How long does this take for them to get synched?

Eight games seems like the best case scenario.

McNabb handled the pressure well -- most effective throwing off his back foot on the run, but I'm not sure we want to see too much of this, especially the part where he's being violently flung to the turf. As for his accuracy, McNabb is sharp enough to put the ball in the hands of the playmakers.

Outside of Cooley, Davis, and Santana -- we have a seems to be the real deal out of nowhere WR in Armstrong. We have Devin Thomas, who is most often paired with the word "inconsistent" when being assessed by his own coaches, and then there's Joey Galloway? Do we have any evidence to date he's actually a Redskin?

As for our defense -- true, MistaMoe -- watching Andre Carter run around out there didn't look right for a reason -- Andre Carter is not an OLB.

Haynesworth?

Someone else up here remarked how they wondered about his reaction to being played in the 3rd quarter. I thought the same thing, but my reaction was that the coaches were simply trying to get him game reps... a good thing, in any instance.

AH is crazy if he thinks he can ride out the rest of his NFL career. As one ages, the trend is towards decreased production and a greater risk of injury. One needs to train hard to counteract that tendency and big bodies like his break down fast in the absence of maintenance.

Not at all surprised he's throwing up, and then the poor attitude to boot. Just seems like he has no friends on the team, which is troubling. Would like a guy to actually want to train with his teammates in the offseason.

OI VEY!!!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 22, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

To me, this is starting to seem like Shanahan is trying to embarrass Albert. It's time to move on and let him play and stop letting your ego get in the way. Alright, we get it, he didn't show up for the offseason workouts and you didn't like it. Either play him and stop with the petty games, or get rid of him.

I also agree with Brian Mitchell, and Albert should just say what the illness was if it really was more then a headache and Shanahan is just trying to make him look bad. I'm not an Albert apologist, but enough already with all of this crap.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | August 22, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Isn't time to stop dealing with this tool? Shut-up and play, you whining POS

Posted by: erthdog | August 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

if you go to NFL.com and go into the ah news part and go to the comment section there is a denver fan that tells the truth about Fat Albert,its a really good post.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"As for our defense -- true, MistaMoe -- watching Andre Carter run around out there didn't look right for a reason -- Andre Carter is not an OLB."

Was just watching the replay on the NFL channel....he looked even worse the second time. He over runs the play every time. If I am a HC game planning against the Skins I run traps to the strong time, every time.

The Redskins looked pretty good aside from, dropped passes. A couple of keys I thought:

At the 6:00 it was 3-3 when the Ravens tried that fake punt.

At 3:00 Moss dropped a pass over the middle that would have put the Skins in FG range at the 20 but had to punt instead.

Gano missed a FG at the end of the first half.

Larry Johnson sucks. He missed blocks and can't run or catch. Portis was clearly better the few times he came in the game.

If DMac was clearly throwing off his back foot after he sprained his ankle. The first team played really well against a team many are picking to go deep into the playoffs.

Still work to do, but it's not the end of the world that many are making the loss out to be.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

people need to quit bashing LJ the o-line gave him no holes to run through,and yes he does need to work on his blocking

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Trade his FAT A$$ today for 6th round pick and move on.... It's Danny money anyways and he is the dumb A$$ that gave this dummy all the money upfront.

Posted by: BarackObama | August 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How about the 10% that are on FAT AL's side??? Must be the same 10% that still want George W Bush to be president...

Posted by: BarackObama | August 22, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Still work to do, but it's not the end of the world that many are making the loss out to be.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 22, 2010 11:37 AM

Seems like a balanced assessment. Also, appreciate many of the others posted above and on earlier threads. Didn't see the game myself, but thanks to all of you who took the time to analyze it.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

his fat *ss should have been arrested and kicked out of the NFL when he stepped on Andre Gourades head.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

ahhh. just as MrIrvin88 predicted. the apologists are working overtime to make the sting go away. the Ravens blitzed last night because blitzing is a large part of their defensive scheme, just like the Jets blitzed a lot against the Giants in their preseason game. Ravens ran a trick play because they probably run more trick plays than any other team in the nfl. you people are a joke. stop making yourselves feel better about a dog team! you're embarrassing your families!

redtards got their candyasses whupped from a to z! starters outscored 13-3. suggs made your prized rookie williams look like a flimsy ragdoll. donovan mcgutt should have finished with three picks. good thing he's been going to church every sunday. anybody still think andre carter is a linebacker? the locker room is splitting over haynesworth.

at least you've got the first overall pick in 2011 to look forward to.

btw, two real championship-caliber teams played last night:

cowboys 16
chargers 14

We're A-M-E-R-I-C-A'S T-E-A-M!!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 22, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

be glad you didn't see it.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

iH8dallas' thoughts from the game-

McNabb- Love his aggressive play, combined with Kyle Shanahan's play-calling.

Portis- Showed why he is the #1 running back.

Santana Moss- " " " " " " wide receiver

Trent Williams- Held his ground, but went up against one of the best pass rushers in the league. There is a reason he is one of the highest paid defensive players, TW will be fine.

The Defense- Love how they are creating turnovers. Just ripping the ball away.

The Ravens- Wanted this game badly, hence the love for Zorn.

Anthony Armstrong- Playing with the first team, and making plays. How can this guy not make the team.

Brandon Banks- Will be our new punt returner.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 22, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

take your Crackbaby *ss back to your site.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"If you're right, then Shanahan is as big a fool as Albert."

There seems to be some point in the future where these guys--Shanahan/Prince Al--are going to have a complete meltdown.

Moving AH now--if there are any takers--would serve the singular purpose of taking away a potentially very, very, very negative sideshow.

Move the guy asap, and don't get too caught up in trying to get high value for a low character guy..

We used to say, "Leave Albert Be."

Now, Albert needs just to be someplace else.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

no Fat Albert needs to leave the NFL,buy a KFC,and die of a heart attack.hahahahaha

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Tony Romo was 4-of-11 passing for 30 yards with a touchdown and an interception, finishing with a rating of just 37.3."

--NFL.com

If I were a Dallas fan, I'd be worried. I'd be staying home today.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens- Wanted this game badly, hence the love for Zorn.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 22, 2010 11:49 AM

redtards were barely going half-speed, right? in fact, most of the redtards were wearing flip-flops, not cleats. (*sarcasm*)

i nominate YOU head apologist and chief dreamer!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 22, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

d*mn right beep.The Dallas Crackbabies blow.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: beep-beep | August 22, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with the way that Shanahan has handled the AH situation. By no means am I taking Fat Als side in this. Shanny has been needling him since he showed up to training camp and now it is a huge freaking distraction. Shanny should have traded him instead of taking this path. Now there is almost impossible for the two to coexist. I don't see Fat Al ever playing hard for Shanny. The worst part of the situation is that it does not look like Maake is going to be able to get it done as a starting NT. He is probably only a backup at this point in his career.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I think John Thompson nailed it a while ago. "Do you want to beat Albert Haynesworth or Dallas?"

This battle of wills has no winners. Albert has 24 million dollars and a contract, so Shanny can dance on Alberts head all he wants, be Al knows he has the leverage. Especially when you see how are D line has pretty much failed so far in preseason, particularly at NT.

If you are the head coach, you have to ask yourself "Is what I am doing working with Albert?" Clearly, the answer is No. So perhaps a change of tactics is in order here.

Do you want to win? Because this is not how you do it. If you are so adamantly principled, then cut him for the benefit of unity in the locker room, but that WILL hurt the performance of the D. If your number one goal is to WIN, then you have to stop treating him like a Bytch and find a way to work with him.

Those are the ONLY options: get him out of here or work with him. Period.

I could care less about who is "right" here, because they are BOTH acting out of arrogant spite at this point.

Enough.

Posted by: edvar | August 22, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Donovan McNabb completed 11 of 26 passes for 206 yards with one interception for the Redskins (1-1). He frequently threw behind receivers and often was pressured by a Ravens defense that took advantage of a Redskins offensive line that has three new starters."

-nfl.com

he-he-he. donovan mcturdd is what you thought (feared?) he was! philly trash! 9/12.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

like i said kick him out of the nfl,so he can buy a kfc and die of a heart attack,that fat f*ck.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

yo D*ckbuilt take your Dallas Crackbaby *ss back to your site.

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

oops bilt

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

9/12?

Posted by: xpac69 | August 22, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"btw, two real championship-caliber teams played last night:
cowboys 16
chargers 14
We're A-M-E-R-I-C-A'S T-E-A-M!!
Posted by: 10peterbilt"

Surely you jest. I thought Dallas looked distinctly weak when the starters were in there. Tony Romo went 4 of 11 for 30 yds with an INT, and his only TD throw came after a scintillating 8 yard drive. They allowed Rivers to complete 11 of 15 for 125 yds and run the ball in himself from the 1. They won the game in the fourth with two scores in the last 4:37.

If that's a regular season game, the Cowboys lose by at least a TD, maybe more.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 22, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

btw, two real championship-caliber teams played last night:

cowboys 16
chargers 14

We're A-M-E-R-I-C-A'S T-E-A-M!!

Posted by: 10peterbilt

Hahahahahha damn, if you're putting that much stock into the preseason, then how could you guys lose to the Oakland Raiders??!!

Tony Romo was amazing last night, wasn't he? He looked like a world-beater to me. I was so impressed. You guys are definitely going to the super bowl, no doubt about it!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 22, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Donovan McNabb completed 11 of 26 passes for 206 yards with one interception for the Redskins (1-1). He frequently threw behind receivers and often was pressured by a Ravens defense that took advantage of a Redskins offensive line that has three new starters."
-nfl.com

he-he-he. donovan mcturdd is what you thought (feared?) he was! philly trash! 9/12.
Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 22, 2010 "

far better than Dallas trash, but I digress

Posted by: psssst | August 22, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"The only way I see this team being 9-9"

So that's a wild card at 9-7 with a loss in the NFC championship game? I like where your head's at.
_____________________
Someone needs math lessons ...

The Redskins could be 9-9 in two ways:

Go 8-8, win the wild card playoff, lose the divisional playoff

or, Join the CFL (eighteen game season).

Both are equally likely.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Put the bozo on IR for ...whatever... send him home to his couch and Pringles. He has no intention of contributing and only disrupts a locker room with some hope to turn things around. The money spent on the fat head is gone - just don't either waste a roster slot on him or let him further spread his cancer by releasing him.

Posted by: fr3dmars | August 22, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

...except to the Cowpies!

Posted by: fr3dmars | August 22, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth, cash the checks because after this year whether you've been all pro for the last ten years your career is over. You've P.O. the staff and the fan base. If your trainer was so hot why couldn't pass a very simple test for someone who is suppose to be in shape. I'm sorry sometimes you got to cut people loose. It's called tough love in families and sports teams are families. Unfortunately, once the Redskins release him no other team may pick him up out of respect to the Redskins organization thus black balling him. Anyone thinks this doesn't happen in sports go do the research. Put him on a scale today and I'll bet that he tips the it at over 350. He should be playing at 315. So when he has to play a full game well he be able to, hell NO!!!! SO what's the answer, well when you have a healthy body and you develop cancer, you eradicate the desease by cutting it out. The defense will be better off over the entire season if Haynesworth is at home watching it on TV. Redskins should take step to get the $21M back kick him in the ass and wish him well.

Posted by: MichaelSmith2 | August 23, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth, cash the checks because after this year whether you've been all pro for the last ten years your career is over. You've P.O. the staff and the fan base. If your trainer was so hot why couldn't pass a very simple test for someone who is suppose to be in shape. I'm sorry sometimes you got to cut people loose. It's called tough love in families and sports teams are families. Unfortunately, once the Redskins release him no other team may pick him up out of respect to the Redskins organization thus black balling him. Anyone thinks this doesn't happen in sports go do the research. Put him on a scale today and I'll bet that he tips the it at over 350. He should be playing at 315. So when he has to play a full game well he be able to, hell NO!!!! SO what's the answer, well when you have a healthy body and you develop cancer, you eradicate the desease by cutting it out. The defense will be better off over the entire season if Haynesworth is at home watching it on TV. Redskins should take step to get the $21M back kick him in the ass and wish him well.

Posted by: MichaelSmith2 | August 23, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

With everything going on in AH's life, and his displayed effort to date, he has no credibility. If he had not already received and accepted all that money, I would say cut him. Problem with cutting him now is, he just goes out and gets several million more to play for someone else. That would be a reward for bad behavior. This is the problem with the NFL, not just the Skins (though this one is setting a record of sorts). Paying millions in advance for what they hope will happen. The Haynesworth saga is detrimental to all NFL players as the owners see what is happening and will be gunshy about paying in advance for services to be performed. This is more than just about Shanahan and Haynesworth. It is about the NFL and all players. This situation may aid in setting up a lockout for 2011 when they start talking about the "Haynesworth Rule".
But we do need to keep in mind, this is not Shanahan's fault. I fully support what he is doing and back him. Cerrato and Snyder signed Haynesworth. In the end this situation is probably a good thing for the Skins. Be a very expensive lesson for Snyder. Going forward, this will make Dan Snyder a better owner. Has never been any doubt he is trying very hard to make the Redskins winners. This should make an impact about players going forward. Other teams do not just allow star players to leave unless they believe it will benefit them more. Since signing Haynesworth, the Titans are moving up, and we went down. Oh, we may be moving up again, but that would be despite Haynesworth, not because of him.

Posted by: skins50 | August 23, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I content that Coach Shanny was doing is best to not hurt Fat Albert's feelings. He may have said he had headaches, but what he meant was he gives headaches...to his own coaching staff and team-mates! Is it too late to trade him for T.O.?

Posted by: barriesargent | August 23, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

We need Coach Shanahan to win this battle of wills for the good of the team. The sore knee and this latest illness are just his excuses to skip workouts. I am sure that since he was in Little league and all the way through Jr. high and high school he has been treated differently than all of his teammates because he was bigger and stronger. He probably didn't have to practice and still got to play. We have all seen this type of athlete when we used to play. Kids who didn't work at their game but still played in the games over people who were at every practice. Coaches more interested in winning than character allow that to happen. Those guys (players and coaches)are usually weaned out by this level. Character needs to be evaluated the next time we sign a big contract free agent. I hope the front office is finding some loophole to start taking away pay checks from A.H. when the games start.

Posted by: DIEUDALLASDOGSDIE | August 23, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

$21 million investment in #92 that's why the work place rules are different for him than roster spots 25 through 53. So Big Al gets so disgruntled that he performs nowhere near the level that the skins thought they were getting. So you bury him deep on the pine. Who does this really hurt the player or the 2010 Redskins? After somebody doesn't smooth this over quick, than I'm betting Big Al is happy w/keeping his money and playing the pine, because net year he's playing elsewhere and is the defensive "Comeback Player of the Year".

Posted by: snake_taylor | August 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Why not put his lame a$$ on the practice squad and see how he likes it!

Posted by: hogsheadstu | August 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The only way I see this team being 9-9 is if there are no injuries. The depth behind the starters is horrific. McNabb was limping a bit last night and I don't see him playing all 16 games.

Other than Landry, Armstrong and Cooley there were not a ton of positives.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The only way I see this team being 9-9 is never.

Posted by: NAS4AH2 | August 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

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