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Posted at 10:32 AM ET, 12/ 6/2010

Poll: Weigh in on the Haynesworth drama

By Washington Post editors


And in the Tailgate Zone, our readers debate whether Coach Mike Shanahan has been too hard on the Redskins' high-priced defensive tackle. Join the conversation.

By Washington Post editors  | December 6, 2010; 10:32 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Why cut him? Keep him for four more weeks and trade him. Never leave money on the table.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

why limit it to just him.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

i want to hear about players who play... or haslett getting canned...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 6, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

At least trade him to make sure he doesn't end up in the NFC east.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

i want to hear about players who play... or haslett getting canned...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 6, 2010 10:41 AM

Haslett's not getting canned. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

For those of you jabbering away today about drafting a QB, STOP PANICKING!!!
Yesterday's loss had nothing to do with the QB position. It all had to do with the line of scrimmage. We need a NT and bigger DE's to stop the run and push the pocket back, and we need 2 bigger athletic Guards, we were outplayed AGAIN by another team on the line of scrimmage. And after we address the lines, we still need WR help. QB should be addressed in the 2012 draft, not enough picks in 2011.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

At least we agree giving up the draft picks was stupid and I will leave it at that.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

@ Monk:

When it was 21 - 7 and mcnabb scramble fumbled with a chance to drive down and cut the defecit, that wasnt on the o line or the d line. He hasnt played well, and I dont think its too early to start thinking about getting a QB. Definitely not with a high pick this year, since there are so many other holes though.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Poll should have included play him yesterday.

Like Allen and Shanahan did not know the Giants were going to try to run the ball down their throats?

Albert should have been playing yesterday.
What other starter if sick on Friday would not get to play on Sunday?

What a joke!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why cut him? Keep him for four more weeks and trade him. Never leave money on the table.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:38 AM |

Agreed. Take a 4th, hell take a 6th. Either way, the Skins will find someone in either round who actually wants to play.

I don't want to hear that Shamesworth wanted to play. This guy hasn't wanted to play football going back to his high school days. It's always been about getting paid. Once he signed a letter of intent with Tenn in high school, he mailed it in. He did the same thing in college when he knew he'd be going pro. He did the same thing with the Titans and only really blew up in his contract year (yeah he had a decent year before that but nothing like that of a 100 million dollar DT.

I know this is very revisionist but now that the season is officially over - if it hadn't already been - just cut the bastard unceremoniously. Have security watch him pack his crap and escort him off the property and move on.

Haynesworth already has.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 6, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Dump the lazy biotch.

Worthless sack of shi+.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 6, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Why in the hell would we cut him - now or at all? Shanahan is the one with the drama who should be deactivated.

Can anyone tell me what Haynesworth has done - besides being sick and one minute late to a meeting - that is causing so much of a reaction? I keep hearing the media talk about "his antics"....what antics? Proof? Evidence?

Now Shanahan's antics? We have proof of those!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 6, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl

That thought show the same lack of vision the coaches have. If they knew they didn't like D Thomas they should have traded him when other teams was asking about him. Better to get something for him then just cut him. The same goes with big Al. They should have traded him to Tenn when they was asking about him. Now to just cut him and get nothing just shows a lack of vision to me.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Albert should have been playing yesterday.
What other starter if sick on Friday would not get to play on Sunday?

What a joke!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 10:47 AM

He's a pro and he can't practice on Thursday and Friday like the rest of the team? When he's in uniform he only plays a third of the plays and he takes half of them off. Not only should he not have been playing yesterday, he should never put on a Redskins uniform again.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Can we please shut up the Haslett roasting?

Our D gave up only 20 more yards then our offense gained (358-338), and with six turnovers and a blocked punt, you cannot possibly think that this was all Haslett's fault.

What am I thinking? This was the board that thought JC was the anti-christ. How's that working out?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 6, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, get ready folks, AH will be motivated to do well next year, so don't be surprised if after he is cut by Shanahan, he is signed by a team that plays a 4-3.
And teams will be able to sign him for much cheaper because his value has plummeted so much this season.
We won't even be able to trade him.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

For those of you jabbering away today about drafting a QB, STOP PANICKING!!!
Yesterday's loss had nothing to do with the QB position.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM |

Dude, you never fail to remind us all that you are flat-out retarded. This was McNabb's worst game as a Redskin and one of the worst games I have ever seen the guy play.

The fumble while he was trying to go down was totally pathetic. The picks were as 'Favre-like' as normal. His decision making was horrible and he is now mysteriously falling down, untouched AT LEAST once a week now.

Yeah, the line was getting owned but McNabb is in no way insulated from blame. He sucked big, sweaty, smelly donkey balls - just like a lot of other players.

Yes, 1000 times yes, the Skins will draft a QB this year and the way we're going, might end up with a top 4 pick.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 6, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

That hasn't panned out, either.

Perhaps, as Pat Bowlen found out, Shanahan shouldn't have so much power.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 10:28 AM

They did create some much needed cap room. Now the Skins can position themselves to be active in what is expected to be the best FA class in some time. Half the roster will churn next off season. What they do in FA and the draft will go a ways to say what the core of this team will be over the next several years.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I like many Redskin fans are wondering what the two Shanahans could have done w/ Jason Campbell.
And those two high draft picks for Donovan McNabb are looking much better now, aren't they?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:14 AM

I've been told many times on this blog stats don't mean sh!t, except W's and L's.

How about this one: 5-1 as a starter.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse


???

Jason Campbell is not 5-1 as a starter for Oakland. He lost games to Tennessee and SanFrancisco (where he posted a 10.7 rating). He started the Pittsburgh game (which they lost). He started the St.Louis game and was well on his way to losing until he got pulled for Bruce Grdkowski who led a comeback victory.

Not that it's really relevant to the Skins.

If we are tabulating QB wins-losses in that fashion, why don't you go look up McNabb's record for the Eagles, and then come back and we can continue this conversation.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me what Haynesworth has done - besides being sick and one minute late to a meeting - that is causing so much of a reaction? I keep hearing the media talk about "his antics"....what antics? Proof? Evidence?

Now Shanahan's antics? We have proof of those!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 6, 2010 10:51 AM

Drama Queen! Lisa, go read the Boswell column or the Keim column.

"Shanahan's antics" are what a good head coach does. You probably though Coughlin should have been fired when the players were unhappy with his "antics."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Now to just cut him and get nothing just shows a lack of vision to me.

Posted by: jm220

This team has no vision whatsoever, play him the last 4 games maybe his value will go from a 7th round to a 5th round, either way it is another draft pick that they do not have presently

Posted by: connskins | December 6, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Can we please shut up the Haslett roasting?

is this serious?? only to be topped by:

Our D gave up only 20 more yards then our offense gained (358-338)

I mean, you can't make this stuff up....thats simply awe-inspiring....

wow...just wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Play him!

Goodness gracious, are people freaking crazy??

If we are going to shop him in the offseason, we need to show teams out there that he can still play. We need to figure out a way to increase his trade value.

Shanny's method of deactivating him only makes it harder for the Skins to get some pennies back on the dollar for him.

The season is gone anyways.

FOr Pete's sake, drop the AH vendetta, do what's best for the team; let him play out the season and at least try to get something of value for him.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

you must have missed memo. It is never players fault and always the coaches fault.

Haynesworth has become a classic example. Another is blaming Haslett for not "making adjustments". Yesterday wasn't about adjustments it was about tackling and want to.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 6, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

connskins

You are so right conn. They should have traded him earlier as well as D Thomas. We need draft picks like no other team in the NFL. If Shann had any vision at all he would have traded these two players before the draft or trading deadline.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Now to just cut him and get nothing just shows a lack of vision to me.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:52 AM

jm -- I don't know what this has to do with "vision." With both these guys they could see the talent and they THOUGHT they could make players out of them. They were wrong. In Haynesworth's case, he outright lied to Shanahan. In Thomas's, he just wouldn't become a pro here in DC and Carolina -- he said as much yesterday after the game.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I like many Redskin fans are wondering what the two Shanahans could have done w/ Jason Campbell.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

THey didn't even want to try to do something w/ Jsaon Campbell

That should say something.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Before the trading deadline they knew both players wasn't coming around. There were many reports that the Tenn was very interested in Al. (Tenn coach even said so)

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Poll: Weigh in on the Haynesworth drama

He should have been traded last Spring.

Now?: he does have some value, no matter what folks think.

Put him on the bench and trade him for whatever it is you can get for him.

TENN offered a 4th, once: I'd take 'whateva' and peace of mind to see him gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

you must have missed memo. It is never players fault and always the coaches fault.

Haynesworth has become a classic example. Another is blaming Haslett for not "making adjustments". Yesterday wasn't about adjustments it was about tackling and want to.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 6, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Coaches are responsible for preparing the players for the game, and they are responsible for installing the game plan.

Earlier in the season when the Skins were playing competitively, win or lose, we were giving the coaches credit, b/c they had the team in position to compete and win.

When the team is getting blown out in the first quarter and quitting in the second, you obviously blame players, but you also start looking up the next level and start to wonder what kind of preparation/planning is going into these efforts.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

do u have a st-st-st-stutter on your right ring finger?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 6, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me what Haynesworth has done - besides being sick and one minute late to a meeting - that is causing so much of a reaction? I keep hearing the media talk about "his antics"....what antics? Proof? Evidence?

How about taking 20 Mil and not showing up. How about laying on the field with no attempt to get up and the play going on around you. Missing meetings, late for meetings, never playing a full game. The list is really endless. A lot of guys on this team are hurting, they still show up, practice, play. For the amount he is being payed he should be the first in the building and the last to leave.

Posted by: jandlml | December 6, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Another is blaming Haslett for not "making adjustments".

Since this was aimed at me, I'll bite...so I guess the answer to the Giants being down 3 olinemen, and 2 wideouts is to do what defensively?? The same old, same old, and hope for better results that the previous 11 games??? Because thats exactly what they did....So yeah, I'll still partially blame haslett for this disaster...doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, is the textbook definition of what???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Monk if we draft a NT or DE and not OL and or RB we will suck again and mcnabb will get destoyed

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If we are tabulating QB wins-losses in that fashion, why don't you go look up McNabb's record for the Eagles, and then come back and we can continue this conversation.


Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:58 AM

This is a "What have you done for me lately" league, and I don't care what McNabb did as an Eagle. Vick looks like a league MVP for McNabb's old Eagles, and I suspect it's because the Eagles are a stable, solid team. McNabb benefitted from that.

I admit I was clowning a little with the W's and L's, because anytime someone introduces stats is sparks an argument about how meaningful or meaningless they are. I know this is a team game.

Personally, I think JC looked bad with the Skins because the offense was bad.... same reason McNabb is looking bad now. 12 TDs and 15 picks? Imagine if JC had put up those kind of numbers for the Skins, fans like you would want his head on a spit.

And JC did post a couple of horrible games this year, true. But I tend to favor young, homegrown talent with potential upside rather than the declining, aging vet who starred with a rival team Just my personal preference.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

since it is the season of giving, I am giving two tickets away to the Bucs game this Sunday. I can't make the 5 hour drive down and back from CT to see my team not provide any effort or forget how to tackle. I would suggest that Shanahan take the whole team down to Disney and have them watch the Pop Warner championships this week and learn how to tackle again. IF you want two tickets in 419 email me dehulmeatattdotnet. Just pay for the shipping of the tickets and if you want to donate money, I will take that money and buy some toys for tots

Posted by: connskins | December 6, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Whatever pFunk0, all my posts are proving to be right on. Shananon sucks, the 3-4 sucks, mcnabb hasn't made us better, JC was victorious, DT can contribute, our RBs suck, wrs suck, o line sucks, and we didn't get younger, AND we have no draft picks.

But your just an effin fPunk hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 6, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Can we please shut up the Haslett roasting?

is this serious?? only to be topped by:

Our D gave up only 20 more yards then our offense gained (358-338)

I mean, you can't make this stuff up....thats simply awe-inspiring....

wow...just wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse
----------------------------

I don't put much stock into bravado or hyperbole, so unless you care to address yesterday's debacle with something more substantial than an emotional outburst, save it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 6, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Since this was aimed at me, I'll bite...so I guess the answer to the Giants being down 3 olinemen, and 2 wideouts is to do what defensively?? The same old, same old, and hope for better results that the previous 11 games??? Because thats exactly what they did....So yeah, I'll still partially blame haslett for this disaster...doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, is the textbook definition of what???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

What, exactly, would you have had them do with a backup safety & cornerback and that terrible d-line getting blown up all over the place? Blitz? Y so that doughty or buchanon gets burned for a long one? You can't do much stopping the run when all of your down lineman get beasted 5 yards back every play.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan's antics" are what a good head coach does. You probably though Coughlin should have been fired when the players were unhappy with his "antics."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Coughlin managed one of the biggest bad-attitude lousy-work-ethic divas in the league in PLaxico Burress.

He fined the B'Gesus out of him for missing meetings and showing up late. Plax sat out a whole season's worth of practices b/c of a supposedly bum-ankle but continued to play and kill it on Sunday.

Plax also caught the game-winning TD in the Superbowl.

Coughlin is as big a jerk hard-case as they come in the NFL. But he managed Plax for years, kept him productive on the field and won a SB with him.

Coughlin is a case-study in how to successfully manage a talented lousy-attitude diva, and keep him contributing to a winning team.

Shanny is a case-study in making the worst of a bad situation.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Earlier in the season when the Skins were playing competitively, win or lose, we were giving the coaches credit, b/c they had the team in position to compete and win.

When the team is getting blown out in the first quarter and quitting in the second, you obviously blame players, but you also start looking up the next level and start to wonder what kind of preparation/planning is going into these efforts.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:08 AM

Okay, I'll bite.

"Earlier in the season" we had Portis, Torain, a healthy Williams, Landry playing at an all-pro level and Rogers. I none of them were on the field yesterday.

As far as "looking up the next level and wondering," that's fine. I wonder, too. But do we have any real information to answer our wonders?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

This lack of good tackling has come back to haunt the Skins after focusing too much on stripping the ball and getting turnovers. That is for most players, but in Kareem Moore's case, he not only lacks good tackling skills, he's just not good enough and is overmatched by almost every runner in the backfield such as the early Jacobs long run or other runs in the secondary. He's just one of the many problems on this team. Gonna take at least two or three years before the Redskins are competitive through the draft. And please stay away from free agency.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 6, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Not specifically addressed at you. But have been the most vocal of this group for awhile now.

I'm at a loss of what adjustment you want. Jacobs had 2 runs where he gained 20+ after being hit at or behind line of scrimmage. Bradshaw also gained significant yds after contact. Not sure what you can do to change that.

8 in box. 9 in box. Run blitz. goal line front. None matters if the players don't make plays.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 6, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

More evidence BG didn't watch the game...I am no Haz-let luver, but beanie he did game plan...they talked about it all game "hall on mannigham 1-1...trust Buchanan to cover shrub hAGGANS and stack the box to overpower backup lineman and stop the run" Manningham was shut down but Hagans blew up #31 and we all (most of us..) saw what happened to the stack the box...Hell Beanie Hazlett even listened to you and benched #31 in favor of your saviour Barnes in the second half.

IT DIDNT WORK...obvie...but it was a game plan towards their perceived weakness.

Say it with me people....OUR PLAYERS SUCK..WE HAVE A SEVERE LACK OF TALENT.

Not to mention that one of our few talented players is a complete and utter sihthead.

Talk all you want about the "backup" OL and WR on the Giants....but every single one of them, including Haggans, would be starting/playing a lot for the redskins!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

That 50% want to cut haynesworth is good evidence that half the fans have no clue what they're talking about.

It's funny how many point out it takes time to rebuild, but the defense was dismantled instantly.

What happened to the Hybrid?

What coach doesn't play his best player?

Mcnabb looked as indecisive as Campbell.

No talent on O and unused talent on D and giving ST talent to the giants.

Zorn was better

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 6, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

@ Monk:

When it was 21 - 7 and mcnabb scramble fumbled with a chance to drive down and cut the defecit, that wasnt on the o line or the d line. He hasnt played well, and I dont think its too early to start thinking about getting a QB. Definitely not with a high pick this year, since there are so many other holes though.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Look, I'm not saying he was perfect yesterday, which he obviously wasn't, but he was trying to make plays, you can't fault a guy for trying when receivers were dropping balls and the defense was getting gashed open by the run. Plus it's not like much would have changed if he didn't fumble, it would have been the same result.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

@ Monk:

When it was 21 - 7 and mcnabb scramble fumbled with a chance to drive down and cut the defecit, that wasnt on the o line or the d line. He hasnt played well, and I dont think its too early to start thinking about getting a QB. Definitely not with a high pick this year, since there are so many other holes though.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Look, I'm not saying he was perfect yesterday, which he obviously wasn't, but he was trying to make plays, you can't fault a guy for trying when receivers were dropping balls and the defense was getting gashed open by the run. Plus it's not like much would have changed if he didn't fumble, it would have been the same result.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I think JC looked bad with the Skins because the offense was bad.... same reason McNabb is looking bad now. 12 TDs and 15 picks? Imagine if JC had put up those kind of numbers for the Skins, fans like you would want his head on a spit.

And JC did post a couple of horrible games this year, true. But I tend to favor young, homegrown talent with potential upside rather than the declining, aging vet who starred with a rival team Just my personal preference.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse


I wanted to get rid of JC because after 50 career starts with this team he was still below .500. And never took the team to the playoffs.

It wasn't because of a single game or a single season. It was b/c after a long string of opportunities and chances to show something, he showed us he was largely a loser, with lousy on-field leadership and a penchant for not taking the team on his shoulders and doing something.

Which is still largely what he's showing in Oakland. He's had some nice games from a stat perspective...when Bush/McFadden are rushing for almost 200 yards and the defense is winning the TO battle. When that's not happeneing, he's posting 10.7 QB ratings and getting pulled for Bruce Grdkowski.

People have not been shy about killing DMac up here, so I don't know why you are all sensitive about Jason Campbell.

The reality is that an aging DMac still has more "upside" than Jason Campbell.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Talk all you want about the "backup" OL and WR on the Giants....but every single one of them, including Haggans, would be starting/playing a lot for the redskins!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

On point, something we as fans dont want to realize. I didnt either, but, if you think about it, its true.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Maybe this has already been posted from Peter King?


• The Redskins are awful. Four sacks of Donovan McNabb, and seven pressures, in Washington's embarrassing 31-7 loss to the Giants. Two interceptions of McNabb. Three drops by McNabb's receivers. Six fumbles. Six! And this ultimate indignity: How beautifully fitting that Devin Thomas -- a second-round pick of the 'Skins in 2008, a high-profile example of their draft failings, cut by the Redskins earlier this season and picked up by the receiver-needy Giants -- would make the special-teams play of the game.

Rushing from the inside of the formation early in the fourth quarter with the Redskins trying to rebound from a 28-7 deficit, Thomas jousted with Washington safety Kareem Moore and made a left-handed deflection of a Hunter Smith punt near the goal line, and the wounded duck ended up feebly making it to the Washington 13. It had to be the sweetest play of the star-crossed Thomas' short career. And one of the ugliest of the Redskins' season.

Washington, 5-7 with four teams playing well on the end-of-season schedule, is done, and Mike Shanahan now has to make the decision that will define his coaching tenure, in my opinion. He has to decide whether to keep Donovan McNabb for the long-term and build the team around him. It's a tough call because McNabb looks mostly old and ineffective.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/12/05/monday-morning-qb-week-13/1.html#ixzz17LjuybBw

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

More evidence BG didn't watch the game

sorry there larry, game was on fox up here, so try it again....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

THey didn't even want to try to do something w/ Jsaon Campbell
That should say something.
Posted by: p1funk
___________________________________________

You are 100% correct, p1funk!
Q. is, what does it say?
We used to think it said Campbell has no game and will never produce.
Now we wonder what it says about Shanahan.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Look, I'm not saying he was perfect yesterday, which he obviously wasn't, but he was trying to make plays, you can't fault a guy for trying when receivers were dropping balls and the defense was getting gashed open by the run. Plus it's not like much would have changed if he didn't fumble, it would have been the same result.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Agree on the other issues, but McNabb has consistently played badly, and it doesnt all have to do with the defense/his recievers. At the time of the fumble, it was 21 - 7, the defense had gotten a stop and it was an opportunity to do something to change the game. Didnt happen.

Then he missed Moss, who was 3 yards behind everybody, had ample time in the redzone and threw a pick after staring at the safety. Trying to make plays is one thing, playing badly is another.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:08 AM

Okay, I'll bite.

"Earlier in the season" we had Portis, Torain, a healthy Williams, Landry playing at an all-pro level and Rogers. I none of them were on the field yesterday.

As far as "looking up the next level and wondering," that's fine. I wonder, too. But do we have any real information to answer our wonders?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse


Earlier in the season our defense was still ranked toward the bottom of the league in yardage allowed - with LL30 and Rogers in the lineup.

THeir saving grace was being able to force some timely turnovers. But they still couldn't stop anyone.

Earlier in the season, teams had no book on the REdskins. They didn't know what to expect or what to look for, they didn't know what the tendencies would be or the strengths or the weaknesses.

Around the time of the Chicago game, teams had enough tape on the Skins to know what they were about. We should have lost against Chicago, had not Jay-Culter happened.

Against Detroit we got exposed completely and didn;t have the gift of Jay-Cutler to keep giving.

We eaked out an overtime win against the reeling Titans who were playing Rusty Smith at QB.

Around the time when other coaches get to know your team and start making adjustments, your coaching staff is then called upon to counter-act with adjustments of their own.

We seem to have nothing. PLayers and coached just standing around scratching their heads getting beaten the same way each Sunday.

The Giants, by the way, also had a patchwork Oline and their 2 best WRs out of the game. Same as last week, and they found a way to produce a comeback victory against a good Jaguars team.

The Gmen are ahead of us; in personnel and in coaching.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I wanted to get rid of JC because after 50 career starts with this team he was still below .500. And never took the team to the playoffs.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:27 AM

Fair enough. But I would point out that HOF'er Sonny Jurgenson is in the same boat. Why? Because his team was bad.

I don't think the team lost because of JC. He was not an elite QB for the Skins, but he received very little help from his teammates.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Dude, you never fail to remind us all that you are flat-out retarded. This was McNabb's worst game as a Redskin and one of the worst games I have ever seen the guy play.

The fumble while he was trying to go down was totally pathetic. The picks were as 'Favre-like' as normal. His decision making was horrible and he is now mysteriously falling down, untouched AT LEAST once a week now.

Yeah, the line was getting owned but McNabb is in no way insulated from blame. He sucked big, sweaty, smelly donkey balls - just like a lot of other players.

Yes, 1000 times yes, the Skins will draft a QB this year and the way we're going, might end up with a top 4 pick.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 6, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

And you never fail to remind us how unoriginal you are, you sound just like some other people here, don't you have your own voice or opinion Body Odor? It's funny you talk about smelly donkey nuts, maybe you should wash yours!!! hahaha

Sure genius, go get another QB, let him make the same dumb mistakes behind the same lame-ass line, he'll get sacked 4 or 5 times a game, he'll not know the offense right away which means he'll run the 2-minute drill slow, and you'll blame him for that! Pretty soon after that you'll have your QB, but then you'll be complaining that we don't have a line or receivers to go with him!!!

We need more peices to this puzzle before we go get a QB. McNabb obviously is not the answer for the future, but with some more competent players around him he might still lead us to something. If we had more draft picks I'd love for us to get a QB, but we can only do so much, and since we already have a QB now, we should go after some of the REAL needs of this team like NT, G, WR, RB in the later rounds, OLB, not some QB that's gonna ride the bench for a couple years. Your mind should be like your deoderant, open it so you can use it, please!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

not to defend BG too much, but I get where he's coming from...last year the majority of the blame was laid at the feet of Zorn / Vinny / Blache / Campbell. This year, the coaches seem to be getting a pass and it's all the players fault....

Posted by: mattylight | December 6, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You are 100% correct, p1funk!
Q. is, what does it say?
We used to think it said Campbell has no game and will never produce.
Now we wonder what it says about Shanahan.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 6, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It says that the Shannys didn't want to try to make chocolate cake out of a pile of crap.

What do you think it says?

Did the Shanny's miss out on the "next big QB" in Jason Campbell?

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Peter King's other comment on yesterday's game:

I think, in the ranks of embarrassing performances in the 2010 season, you'd have to go a long way to top Washington's lay-down job against the Giants.

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The Gmen are ahead of us; in personnel and in coaching.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 11:36 AM

Agree on personnel. Don't see the case yet on coaching.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Monk if we draft a NT or DE and not OL and or RB we will suck again and mcnabb will get destoyed

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Look, I don't have the answers, I just know that we need MAJOR work on the OLine and DLine. That game would have been majorly different if we didn't let Jacobs/Bradshaw run free all game and if McNabb didn't have to constantly look over his shoulder cause the blocking was breaking down. Maybe then McNabb doesn't have to take the game in his hands and force plays like the fumble and interception. Look at how Peyton is playing now without some of his weapons, he's trying to do too much and he's coming apart at the seams!

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This was from Chris Russell yesterday and was wondering if there has been any comment or update about Torain?

Russellmania09--An angry "no comment" is the answer I got from Ryan Torain's agent on if he is playing or not.

Posted by: will_ga | December 6, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the "can Haslett" sentiment. He took a very competent defense and destroyed it by making it his 3/4 play thing.
However, the thing I'd MOST like to see is Danny boy sell the team so we can begin to rid the Redskins of his stench!

Posted by: pd2710 | December 6, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the "can Haslett" sentiment. He took a very competent defence and destroyed it by making it his 3/4 play thing.
However, what I'd MOST like to see is Danny boy sell the team so we can begin to rid the Redskins of his stench!

Posted by: pd2710 | December 6, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Look, I don't have the answers, I just know that we need MAJOR work on the OLine and DLine.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, thats the best place to start. They got LT last year, lets get C, G, and NT next. If we do a good job addressing those 3 positions this offseason, I'd be happy. Icing on the cake would be a WR that doesnt drop 3 balls a game.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

We need more peices to this puzzle before we go get a QB. McNabb obviously is not the answer for the future, but with some more competent players around him he might still lead us to something. If we had more draft picks I'd love for us to get a QB, but we can only do so much, and since we already have a QB now, we should go after some of the REAL needs of this team

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The problem with keeping McNabb is the contract, if they pick up the option. He'd be getting lots of money, and I would rather have a cheaper QB (rookie, free agent, caretaker, i dont care) in that spot. If he doesn't play better it will be the same old huge contract to an aging player that used to be good with a deteriorating skill set.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Where is Marcus Washington? Even if he is dead he has to play better than these other LB's.

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 6, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is news because Shanahan makes it news. Do you really think Fat Albert could have been any worse than what the line showed yesterday against NY?

"If you practice well, you play well".... hmmmm... by that definition, then the entire defense as well as the offense really practiced crappy the whole week. If no-one practiced well, then why just pick on Fat Al? Rocky and Daughty can't make a tackle that a high school kid would make.

Why is Haslett not getting strung up by WAPO? 3-4 my as*s!!!! Where is Greg Williams.... oh that's right, he is making the Saints into a contendor, AGAIN!!

The skins are badly coached, the game plan is terrible, and the execution is even worse. The players don't have heart and the coaches don't have brains......

Posted by: sd-bones | December 6, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Cut him now...I for one don't want to see him hanging around the sideline while his teammates are working hard out of the field. He doesn't deserve to wear the burgundy and gold. Shanahan has to have discipline and I'm all for it...even though the Skins don't look very good right now, they still are better under Shanahan than they have been in a decade...Any other player that can't handle discipline...hit the road.

Posted by: jco4life | December 6, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The times to play him were yesterday .. or during the Indy game .. when it might have helped preserve the season.

Now the meanigful part of the season is over and Haynesworth's reputation, and trade value, has taken some severe hits. Why keep him?

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 6, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Albert is a bum.

Who cares.

Posted by: Tobor58 | December 6, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the skins last year was the O-Line .. Fag-a-han promptly destroyed a average D, n a OK offense after the bingo caller took over .. I don't see why yall drink this Fag-a-han kool- aid .. I don't remember the skins ever getting blown out like this year ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 6, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Where is the option to vote "shoot him"?

Posted by: ElSith | December 6, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't give in to his antics. He is a lazy, cancerous, piece of trash of a person. His brother should be rolling over in his grave. Don't drop him. Make him rot on the sidelines for the length of his contract. Don't let him play, don't let him go to another team...let him rot!

Posted by: ta0903 | December 6, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the skins last year was the O-Line .. Fag-a-han promptly destroyed a average D, n a OK offense after the bingo caller took over .. I don't see why yall drink this Fag-a-han kool- aid .. I don't remember the skins ever getting blown out like this year ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 6, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Niquethag8, obviously you have not been a Redskins fan very long. Do you remember what the Patriots did to us a few seasons ago? This team will take time to improve, years. Were you really happy with an "average D" and an "ok offense?" We were 4-12! Rebuilding takes time.

Posted by: ta0903 | December 6, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

You are not rebuilding when you bring in old QB's and give away draft picks.

You are not rebuilding when you cut young talent, that needs coaching up, in favor of older players who are at the end of their careers.

The Skins have not committed to rebuilding - rebuilding does not sell tickets.

Shanny is a terrible coach, he should be the GM. He is not motivatiing a sole to play on Sunday. It all went south at the end of the Detroit game. Shanny has lost the team - it showed against the Giants.

Posted by: SPUD2 | December 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

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