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Poll: Who's to blame for the Haynesworth mess?

The Redskins all-pro says he won't report to minicamp Wednesday and wants to be traded.

By Washington Post editors  |  June 16, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Daniel M. Snyder , Mike Shanahan , Minicamp  
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I blame Snyderrato. They had to get to him first,throw ridiculous $$$ when they had other more pressing needs. Or could have signed several players to help the team. He's got his money now,he can sit out and eat,don't even need to play to get paid. They're stuck like a pig under a gate. No leverage with the player or a trading partner for return value. Exhibit A for the largesse that has wasted money,draft picks,made the team what it is today. At least uptill the Shannahan-Allen era. With a lock out on the horizon. The Futire is Nil.

Posted by: ridgely1 | June 16, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

"Some fingers should be pointing blame at Shanahan for hiring a 3-4 Def coordinator even though the player (AH) that commands nearly 4/5ths of the Defensive payroll has never played a 3-4. Haslett was a bad hire by Shanahan.. When shopping for a D-coordinator, Shanny should of looked at the player's skill sets the Skins had under long term contract.. And what their experience and strengths were, before selecting Haslett. You design your scheme to the talents and skills of the players on the roster. Bruce Allen should recall that his Dad was great at doing this.. You dont force an unfamiliar scheme on veteran player. AH is wrong.. But so are the Skins in hiring the 3-4 Haslett.Posted by: SkinsneedaGM"

Well, that's one way to look at it. The wrong way, unfortunately.

It's all speculation, but my guess is that Bruce Allen's dad would have run this guy out of town on a rail.

To me, this has been a divorce situation from the outset. Albert wasn't happy last season, complaining he got a disproportionate share of the blame for the team's struggles, when the culprit in his mind was Blache's scheme. The huge amount of money was never relevant to Albert. That was money he was owed, and as for the rest, well, caveat emptor.

You got to admire the sheer capitalism of it. Albert Haynesworth has a future on Wall Street.

You can bet Dan has been scheming on how to get some of the cash back, too.

One prediction: both sides will suffer before this is over. Then again, divorce never brings out the best in anyone.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

They should hold him until some team is hard up after a training camp injury and they can can get what they think he's really worth. If not, their response to him, for this season anyway, should be to cause him as much career discomfort and damage as possible. Usually, this is an irrational and unprofessional response to a personnel issue. This is not the usual case. His behavior is absurd. The response should be as well. I know people are going to say this is not realistic, or even unproductive. Usually, I would agree. But consider that the Redskins, and whatever team abbetted them by working out a trade, would be strengthening the hand of the next player that would shred their contract and blow up their team because the sand shifted under their feet in some way they couldn't have seen coming.
The best thing that could happen would be for a terrible team to offer the Skins what they think is full value for him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 16, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Richard Seymour - unhappy 3-4 DE, playing in a 4-3. Haynesworth, an unhappy 4-3 DT, (not) playing in a 3-4.

Chris Johnson - unhappy, wants money and out of Tennessee. Haynesworth, happiest playing at UT and the Titans.

Hmm...

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 16, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line. Irrespective of lies / promises / badly handled situation, the guy is a professional football player who has taken $32 million for 12 "injury"-interrupted games (would we have won in D*ll*s had he been there?).

Suck it up. Play the games. Get a trade done on the QT. Fat fu(k.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 16, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Please add an option for Vinny Cerrato & Daniel Snyder. The option "The Team" would include the current regime, and its not their fault.

The fault lies with Fat Albert, who the prior regime knew was a jacka$$ and never should have structured a contract in this way.

Posted by: MadeRED | June 16, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Big Al is paid a great deal of money.
If the skins think the can win with him pushing a broom then big Al should
decide which kind of broom he likes.

or

He should offer to pay back all but a few million of his contract and then be released. Forget about a trade.

Posted by: drpolarbear | June 16, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Let him go! Get what you can, be it a player or some of the cash back, and let him go. We did not trade for him. We did not use a draft pick to acquire him. The only thing we're losing is Dan Snyder's money, and I do not care about Dan Snyder's Snyder learned it. Time to move on. It's a new day!

Posted by: mmck | June 16, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Kissin these players A$$ has got to end

Posted by: dc4life | June 16, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Cry Baby Haynesworth is "Worthless". Get rid of the Cancerous turd before it's too late.

Posted by: oldskin71 | June 16, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert could plug the leak from the oil well...just put his FAT A$$ over top of the pipe. "Junk Shot"

Posted by: cavys | June 16, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Bruce Allen's dad would have run this guy out of town on a rail."

Amen.

Posted by: barriesargent | June 16, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Good for Albert Haynesworth. I'm clearly in the minority that supports Haynesworth in this situation. Unlike most I could care less about how much money he's making and I don't believe that his salary suggests he should be happy playing punter if they ask him to. Here are the facts:

1)He was the most sought after free agent a year ago and widely considered the most dominant "FOUR THREE" DT in the league.

2)He had his choice of several teams to play for and all of which were going to pay him the money that most believe he doesn't deserve.

3)He chose Washington because they promised him that he'd be used in the same capacity that Tennessee did and allow him to continue his dominant play. Play back his press conference and interviews and listen to how many times he says he wants to be used the same way he was in Tennessee and he'll be given an opportunity to do so here(clearly lied to).

4)Despite popular belief he was playing more snaps than any other defensive lineman on the team until he got hurt and started to miss games.

5)He voiced his concern of Greg Blache's conservative defense early in the season. His so called lack of production was a product of his defensive responsibility(read and then react)and not his level of play.

6)Coincidentally both London Fletcher and Andre Carter had their best seasons with Albert Haynesworth. Not to mention we had a rookie hybrid DE/LB go to the pro bowl with him.

7)You don't pay 4-3 DT 100 million to be a 3-4 NT space eater. Do you think San Francisco will have Patrick Willis play DE? Or maybe Tennessee will play Chris Johnson at FB.

8)Lastly but not least what would you do if your manager asked you to start cleaning the bathrooms when you were hired to be a Database Administrator? My point exactly...

Posted by: eazy413 | June 16, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey easy413, you're using the wrong analogy. If your are a database administrator and your new boss said we're throwing out MS SQL Server and switching to Oracle, you could say "I'm not an Oracle DBA" and stay home. Or, you can learn Oracle. And you'll find while the syntax is a little different, the concepts are basically the same. Now get your fat butt to work.

Posted by: Diamondback1 | June 16, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

This isn't the first time Snyder has been called a liar, nor will it be the last. I'm so glad we have Bruce & Mike running the show, but my heart won't truly be full again until Daniel Snyder is far away from this organization.

Posted by: NatsandSkinsareclassclassclass | June 16, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter whether Snyderatto should or shouldn't have made the deal. The fact is, Fat Albert is signed to a contract. He should be playing. I say keep him and sit him. He's already gotten the vast majority of his guaranteed money. If he's sitting, he won't be able to collect his incentive money. Six more years and he'll be out of shape and too old and his career will be over. Serve him right.

Posted by: fft5305 | June 16, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Owner Dan Snyder and his defacto former GM are the blame for lying to Haynesworth ..

I think Shanahan is being a little to bit inflexible if this is about winning and not about ego you play players accentuating their strengths, period

Posted by: BeatDontStop | June 16, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

how could you ask such a question without including Synder as an option. There is only one answer. The day this stupid trade was announced I sent an email to my friends saying this will blow up in our face. I hate being right. I said at that time it is another example of Synder trying to build a team with money. Building a good NFL football team is all about chemistry. You have to be a football person to know the subtleties of such an exercise. It is about work ethic, respect, and team first - the emotional force multiplier that makes a team perform way beyond the sum of the talen of the individuals that are part of it. This is what Snyder has proven since his first day, that he doesn't know that part. he can't build an organization and players that works. Maybe his brow-beating methods worked for Snyder Comms, where marketing was everything, but football is different. Even Cerrato is a product of Synder and bad hiring, so the buck stops there.

Snyder is the problem. The only hope is that the little boy finally figured it out and Allen and Shanahan can show him how it works, and to back the F off.

Posted by: lancer1 | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama just called and he blames George Bush.

Posted by: dexter72 | June 16, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Where is the Snyder option? Everyone in the league knew that while he is talented, Fat Al has serious character and motivation issues and he STILL wasted big money on him.

Also, he might be the owner, but Snyder had absolutely NO AUTHORITY to promise Fat Al about how he would be used in the defense. That is totally circumventing the authority of the D coordinator and the overall coaching staff.

Posted by: playahatah | June 16, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

We all know who's to blame...What did Mel Gibson's character in 'Payback' say: 'If you go up far enough, there's ONE guy'

And that one guy is Fredo Snydleone...

(From my other post)

Actually, this HAD to happen.

This is FINALLY the straw that has broken the Danny's stupid, meddlesome, Fredo Corleone ('I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says. Not dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!), ineptness...He now can NO LONGER say he CARES ABOUT WINNING if he involves himself in the deal making/GM/Personnel process and this albatross is his SWAN SONG.

He needed a failure THIS BIG to end once and for all his meddling, ham handed, overbearing, intelligence insulting behaviour; he has been HUMBLED on an international stage for the WORLD to see him for what he is, a mega rich moron without an ounce of FOOTBALL acumen.

Al Davis laughs at him...even the Lions say 'We didn't screw the pooch THIS bad!!'

To quote another classic Al Pacino movie, 'So long Mel, have a nice trip'

Posted by: kahlua87 | June 16, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I blame Snyderrato."

I usually do, but not this time.

Fat Al got the contract he wanted and he is NOT living up to it. It's simple really, he's in "default."

You are allowed to be mad at Snydly and that moron Cerrato, but the reality is Fat Al is not living up the the deal he wanted so badly wanted.

This is going to worse before it gets better.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 16, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Unless they can get reasonable value for him (which is doubtfull at this point) the 'skins should simply tell him he plays here or he can "retire" .... Then maybe they can take him to court to recoup some of that fat-stack money he stole

Posted by: RoidRage | June 16, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who signs a 330lbs. DT to a ten year a "100 million" dollar contract when they are entering the middle of their career and wonder where their motivation went doesn't know anything about human nature much less player personel decisions in the NFL. The Danskins make these horrible decisions over and over. God willing the madness has stopped with the new Allen/Shanahan regiem, but I am not holding my breath.

Posted by: distroyedperfection | June 16, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

petulant a-hole, he made zero effort to challenge himself to adapt and find success in a new scheme. liable for breach of contract

sit him until someone offers adequate draft compensation - whether that be in camp, preseason or during the year

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | June 16, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato is to blame for bringing him here in the first place. After that, if the player has signed a contract and is not fulfilling his contractual duties (and I assume he will hold out in training camp as well, perhaps into the season), then I say take him to court and get that money back. When Ricky Williams up and retired out of nowhere on the Dolphins, they did just that.

Posted by: corky1031 | June 16, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Some say it should be Shannahan...(mostly dumb people). The blame should be shared by Snyder and Haynesworth. Snyder for being the petulant fool for always going after the "star player" and Haynesworth for just being FAT and LAZY! Hopefully Snyder has FINALLY learned his lesson in personnel issues....as in... Danny-boy does NOT have a clue! I say if Haynesworth wants a trade, let him go, BUT, only if he GIVES THE MONEY BACK!!! you big worthless piece of LARD!!!!

Posted by: skinfannomore | June 16, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Some say it should be Shannahan...(mostly dumb people). The blame should be shared by Snyder and Haynesworth. Snyder for being the petulant fool for always going after the "star player" and Haynesworth for just being FAT and LAZY! Hopefully Snyder has FINALLY learned his lesson in personnel issues....as in... Danny-boy does NOT have a clue! I say if Haynesworth wants a trade, let him go, BUT, only if he GIVES THE MONEY BACK!!! you big worthless piece of LARD!!!!

Posted by: skinfannomore | June 16, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Its both. Snyderato and Ain'tsworthit. Everyone knows that it is no longer "just" a game. It is now and has been a business for a long time now. It is extremely naive for some one to think that if you sign a contract for any real significant amount that there is really very little to no real chance that that contract will be "honored" to the end.

Ain'tsworthit is even more naive to think (especially when Snyderato is in charge) that things will stay ecactly the same as when he signed that monster cntract.

But it all really boils down to His Royal Ain'tsworthit signed the contract so just shut your yap, and show up and play. If you want out then pay back all of the money you didn't earn or won't earn and you will be traded. If not then ride the pine and see how that is. Just ask Arrington.

Posted by: rillbizi | June 16, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@ged0386

sjakemuzik wrote:
And as an African American male, I can say whatever I want about the young black generation. The majority of them are spoiled and don't wanna honor their commitments. ie, Carlos Rogers, DeAngelo HALL, ETC.

Don't you owe sjakemuzik and all white adult males an apology? Get a life.

Posted by: hessone | June 16, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If you want to blame anyone, blame Snyder & Cerrato for giving him $32M upfront. Haynesworth is no fool, he's a POS, but no fool. Snyder is the fool for agreeing to give him all that cash. Now there's jack they can do about it and they'll still owe him $16M! WAY TO GO DANNYBOY! Too bad you didn't realize that it takes FOOTBALL PEOPLE to run a team 1 year earlier!

Posted by: Toochilled | June 16, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't have signed this turd in the first place! You gave a 100 mil contract to a lazy bum who is basically robbing you blind! He's really taking and running!

Posted by: comegys870 | June 16, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hey Hey Fat Albert can GO ...just right a check for 26 mil and once it clears the bank the Skins will cut you.

Posted by: heathdog1119 | June 16, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason, poorly constructed poll because you didn't have a choice for Snyder/Cerrato. Albert and his agent snookered those two with a contract that paid him $32 million in his first 13 months including a bonus payment of $21 million in April. Now current Redskins management is crying because they have no leverage and babbling about trying to get the $21 million bonus payment. Good luck, guys. You're been legally fleeced and now you're yelling that you want to change the rules of the game.

Posted by: jacobson98 | June 16, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

For 100 million Id clean bathrooms, let alone play 34 end.

Posted by: digger76 | June 16, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey easy413, you're using the wrong analogy. If your are a database administrator and your new boss said we're throwing out MS SQL Server and switching to Oracle, you could say "I'm not an Oracle DBA" and stay home. Or, you can learn Oracle. And you'll find while the syntax is a little different, the concepts are basically the same. Now get your fat butt to work.

Posted by: Diamondback1 | June 16, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I'll admit that your analogy was better than mine. But even using your analogy I think you are missing the point. While it is every employers right to say we're going to go in another direction in an attempt to make our organization better, you have to understand that your change my affect individuals negatively. Haynesworth put 4-3 DT on his resume and that was what the Redskins hired him for. Now their saying we want 3-4 NT and expect Haynesworth to change his title and assume those responsibilities.

Now the organization and some fans are looking at it like he's getting paid x amount of dollars so he should be ok with whatever position they ask him to play. Well his point of view is "I'm a 4-3 DT and if that isn't what you want then I'm not coming to work so fire me and allow me to go else where to get paid to do what I want". Whether or not the team or us fans like it...He has that right.

Posted by: eazy413 | June 16, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The league laughed at the Skins when he was signed last year and they're laughing even harder now! Much like when we absurdly paid Brandon Lloyd and Arch Deluxe.

Posted by: Redskinrex | June 17, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

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