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Redskins teammates unhappy with Haynesworth

I received many phone calls and text messages from current and former Redskins players shortly after word emerged that Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not report to the mandatory two-day minicamp that begins today and wants to be traded.

Several of the players (they all declined to comment on the record) criticized Haynesworth, who does not want to play nose tackle or any position in a 3-4 defense, for his actions after receiving $32 million from the Redskins in the first 16 months of his contract. Not surprisingly, some of Haynesworth's teammates continued to express concern that the situation could become a season-long distraction.

One Redskins veteran starter reminded me that Haynesworth rarely seemed happy last season despite receiving $41 million guaranteed money -- then the highest total in NFL history. So if the Redskins decline to trade Haynesworth and hold firm on their plan to have him play at a position he doesn't want to play, it's doubtful his mood would improve, the player said.

So what do the Redskins do about their Haynesworth problem?

For starters, I expect Coach Mike Shanahan to accentuate the positive while addressing the media today after practice at Redskins Park. He'll probably talk about preferring to focus on all the hard-working players who are in attendance.

That was Shanahan's approach while Haynesworth's skipped all but one day of the team's voluntary 47-day offseason workout program. Reporters, for the most part, cooperated, asking only a few questions about Haynesworth during minicamps and organized team activities.

But that was before Haynesworth, through agent Chad Speck, made it known he wants out because he no longer trusts the Redskins.

As for General Manager Bruce Allen, he could attempt to take disciplinary action against Haynesworth for skipping a mandatory team event, which Washington is able to do under the terms of the league's collective bargaining agreement. But teams generally are only permitted to fine players about $10,000 for skipping a mandatory minicamp, according to two people familiar with the situation. Of course, the Redskins might attempt to take more money from Haynesworth, but the NFL players union would get involved if Allen tries to break new ground with the eight-year veteran.

Haynesworth arguably is the most talented player on the roster and Shanahan would prefer to try to make things work with him, league and team sources say. No team has offered the Redskins what they want in exchange for the two-time all-pro, so Haynesworth might be on the roster when training camp opens in late July.

The Redskins could fine Haynesworth about $14,000 a day if he misses training camp. Haynesworth and Speck have not addressed their plans for training camp.

By Jason Reid  |  June 16, 2010; 6:12 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Comments

FIRST to say his teammates shouldn't be happy with him. He gets a ton more money for a fraction of the work...I'd hate his overrated a$$ too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Not the FIRST to say he's a slug.

Posted by: jgr007 | June 16, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

I've stayed out of the debate. Tried to stay neutral and see both the player's side. No more.

F-Haynesworth. Here's hoping the fat slug's baby-momma puts a bullet in his knee.

That felt good! now, back to rational thought;

Haynesworth traded for Richard Seymour?

Or Chris Johnson????

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 16, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

If I'm Bruce Allen, I'm calling these teams immediately:

--Oakland. I can't think of a better deal than AH for Richard Seymour straight up. AH goes back to 4-3 DT, Seymour fills a hole at 3-4 RDE. Win/win.

--Carolina. The Panthers are in win now mode with John Fox and Marty Hurney at the end of their contracts. Plus they need D-line help with Julius Peppers now in Chicago. I'd offer up a package deal of AH and Andre Carter and see if I can't get a 2nd round pick and a conditional mid-round pick for 2012.

--Tennessee. Natural fit considering that's where he's played his whole career. Looks like they've already prepared for "life after Albert" and are doing well enough without him, but they could reintroduce him to the fold since his price tag is much less than it would have been for them to re-sign him on their own.

--Seattle. Considering their affinity for turd RBs like Marshawn Lynch and LenDale White, I'm sure they'd love a turd like AH on board to clog up the middle of their line (and their toilets). I mean, if they gave up a 4th rounder for White, they've just GOT to be dumb enough to give us a 1st rounder for Hayney, right?

All in all, any trade will do at this point (so long as we get a pick or two in return), but I most wanna see the Oakland trade come to fruition.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth traded for Richard Seymour?

Or Chris Johnson????

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 16, 2010 6:41 AM |

Friend, I don't think he will be traded for anyone. I predict that he will buy out his contract. He will have to return a substantial amount of the bonus money he received and will become a free agent, allowed to sign with any team in the league. Barring that, he will either play for the Redskins or he will spend his Sundays on his boat -- no play, no pay.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Unless we can get at least a 3rd rounder in return, I say let him sit out. Then if he returns, bench him. It's an expensive message, but it's time to send one to the big soft al's of the world!

Posted by: eyekey416 | June 16, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Steve, I don't see the Titans offering up CJ2K on a silver platter for AH...I could only see that happening if we did another CP/Champ trade--i.e. having to add a draft pick to get it done. No thanks for a RB in Shanahan's "even a caveman can do it" rushing attack.

As much as I'd love to see that swap straight up on Madden, in real life we'll run into the same issue the Titans are facing now: having to give a substantial raise to a guy when you've got A) some screwy rules in the uncapped year prohibiting him from getting the kind of money he's looking for and B) labor uncertainty for 2011. So that deal would basically solve Tennessee's problems and give us a brand new one.

I just want the Seymour/Haynesworth deal straight up. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I have tried really hard to understand AH's point of view. Most of us can go to work anywhere we want where they'll hire you, and if you're not happy, there's the door. Athletes are under contract, and if management changes and you're not happy, you can't just go work for someone else. I get that. But I work for a company that barely survived this economy, and during it all, they asked some of us to do somethings we don't want to do (or aren't our strengths) to help the company. I am paid fairly well for what I do, but when they asked me to fill in where there was a need, I didn't hesitate. There's never any guarantees and they may fire me tomorrow, but it's my reputation on the line. Falbert is paid at the top of his profession, he is appreciated for his skills and rewarded. Why can't that be enough. I hate this guy, for possibly derailing the train that Shanny is running. And if there is no resolving this, he has to be smart enough to handle this properly. He has just killed his value, making it harder to trade him. Since this isn't about the money, then maybe he can give some back to help make a trade more tolerable.
Can't wait for him to be out of our lives.

Posted by: mj25 | June 16, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

This is probably heresy at this point to even utter this thought--'what was Dan Snyder thinking?'

I see Haynesworth's side in this. He knows he is not a nose tackle at 6ft 6inches. It is a position that he would loathe playing, loathe getting prepared for and he would find no motivation to learn. There is no glory in this position and if Shanahan told him he would not expect him to penetrate the backfield or get even two sacks then we have the perfect mismatch of talent and personality for a position. It's why we dont ask all star pitchers to play catcher in baseball.

Am I upset that Snyder wasted tens of millions on this guy? Absolutely. But now Haynesworth has become a very expensive toy for Snyder, one that certainly does not look as bright and shiny as it did in the toy store. At some point Snyder will learn, won't he?

Posted by: driley | June 16, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I just want the Seymour/Haynesworth deal straight up. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Brown I'd like this too. Is Seymour still unhappy in Oakland? Thought things turned around for him there?

Posted by: mj25 | June 16, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

I have been with Albert through this whole ordeal but now, well...F Albert.

2 words: Sean Gilbert. Enjoy your free time, a-hole.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

You know, i never thought signing AH was a smart move, but never thought it was blow up this bad, this quick. Sean Gilbert 2.0 without the end game of getting two 1st round picks back....

I think they need to get past this so Shanallen regime can just concentrate on football. I say if you can get a 3rd round pick or conditional...take it. Its not my money but Snyder just has to eat the loss.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

driley, this kinda stuff ain't Snyder's call anymore. So hopefully, there's no lesson to be learned.

mj25, I'm assuming you didn't hesitate to help out on your job because you actually have a level of pride in your work and have an actual work ethic. AH has neither. If he did, he wouldn't have half his career sacks in just two contract years.

There is no seeing AH's side. He's the highest paid player on the team and the league. With great power (or in this case, pay) comes great responsibility. He wasn't given that money because he races on freeways with the best of 'em. Or because he's a nice guy. He was given that money to perform at the highest level in burgundy and gold and to this point, he has not.

People have to do things they don't wanna do on their jobs all the time. I'd respect his position a whole lot more if he came in, did the work, and THEN decided he doesn't like it. But he's decided he doesn't like the 3-4 BEFORE HE'S LINED UP IN A 3-4. With the money he's being paid, he's completely in the wrong to not even give Haslett and this defense a try.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Is Seymour still unhappy in Oakland? Thought things turned around for him there?

Posted by: mj25 | June 16, 2010 7:10 AM


You'd have to think ANYONE would be unhappy in Oakland, especially coming from a perennial winner like New England.

Honestly, I'm not sure about what's going on in Oakland with regard to Seymour...I know Al Davis has a boner for the guy and may not wanna deal him but you never know with Al. Someone in that FO has just got to know that Seymour will leave town the very minute he's a FA and there may or may not be a franchise tag in 2011 to stop him. It just makes good football sense for both sides to make this deal...I'm just not sure there is any good football sense in Oakland anymore.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

This is probably heresy at this point to even utter this thought--'what was Dan Snyder thinking?'

I see Haynesworth's side in this. He knows he is not a nose tackle at 6ft 6inches. It is a position that he would loathe playing, loathe getting prepared for and he would find no motivation to learn. There is no glory in this position and if Shanahan told him he would not expect him to penetrate the backfield or get even two sacks then we have the perfect mismatch of talent and personality for a position. It's why we dont ask all star pitchers to play catcher in baseball.

Am I upset that Snyder wasted tens of millions on this guy? Absolutely. But now Haynesworth has become a very expensive toy for Snyder, one that certainly does not look as bright and shiny as it did in the toy store. At some point Snyder will learn, won't he?

_________________________________________

No doubt Big Boy Danny Snyder is an idiot. No arguments there; however, the team offered Falbert the opportunity to play DE - a position at which he could accel. Every NFL player knows there is no guarantees in this business for themselves, the players around them, or the coaching staff. Just because the coaching staff changes, doesn't mean he should be afforded the opportunity to alienate his team and demand a trade. He signed a contract for better or worse that paid (and will continue to pay) him a lot of money. The Skins upheld their end of the agreement and now he should too. As far as I'm concerned, when they send him his fine, they should also send him a XXXXXL Diaper!

Posted by: afiorillo | June 16, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

I think they need to get past this so Shanallen regime can just concentrate on football. I say if you can get a 3rd round pick or conditional...take it. Its not my money but Snyder just has to eat the loss.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse


I disagree. I'd take the hard line and tell him 'you play here or you play nowhere.'

Make him sit out the season and waste his prime if he doesn't want to be here. Not only will that affect him, but it will drive up his trade value once teams know were willing to let him rot.

Maybe some team will give up a 1st for him then.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins teammates unhappy with Haynesworth"


Forward thinking redskins' fans are glad the FO took the time to add some depth along the defensive line--it's like they braced themselves for the inevitable.

So now, what's the best option for the team:

a.) take middle round picks in the 2011 draft for Prince Al

b.) take cash back and let the Boy Blunder float into a sea of free agency and more greed

c.) trade AH straight up for some other team's 'disgruntled' star

d.) decide subtraction is addition and take whatever they can get to be free of AH and the money distraction he brings

e.) the titans shouted "Tampering!" when AH was signed, you wonder what they'd want to have him back


Moe goes with 'd' as cancer, in any form, should always be quickly removed.

Now, back to that plate o' crow......

More salt, please.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. I'd take the hard line and tell him 'you play here or you play nowhere.'

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2010 7:30 AM

Friend, this is how it will play out. The Redskins will not be willing to eat all the loss on this deal. Until Haynesworth pays back a big chunk of the money he's received, he will be a Redskin.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Coach should ride this out a couple weeks in hopes that some DT gets injured somewhere and his value goes up. If not, take the highest offer. Get him out of here as soon as possible.

I dont want to see another picture of him in a Redskin uniform. Ship him to Buffalo.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | June 16, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

OK Fat Albert, you don't want to play. Refund the 21 mill and you can be traded...
Piece of sh*t.

Watching NFL replay games I have no idea why we brought him in here...

Bye...bye...

Posted by: gixxer998 | June 16, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

OK Fat Albert, you don't want to play. Refund the 21 mill and you can be traded...
Piece of sh*t.

Watching NFL replay games I have no idea why we brought him in here...

Bye...bye...

Posted by: gixxer998 | June 16, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Make him sit out the season and waste his prime if he doesn't want to be here. Not only will that affect him, but it will drive up his trade value once teams know were willing to let him rot.

Maybe some team will give up a 1st for him then.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2010 7:30 AM


The Eagles tried the same thing with TO back in the day. Didn't work. They still ended up cutting him and watched him sign with a division rival.

The only reason to have him rot is to stick it to him. It's literally no help to the team whatsoever to have this distraction going into the season. The only way to make it go away is to cut him or trade him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth arguably is the most talented player on the roster and Shanahan would prefer to try to make things work with him, league and team sources say."

This is not accurate info Jason. Shanny holds grudges. Fat Albert will never see the field again in a Redskins uniform....

Posted by: boot1 | June 16, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you spend ridiculous sums of money to build around people who have suspect character... If we can't get fair value for this bum, I would love to see Allen stick it to him and fine him all thru camp. Once camp is over place him on IR for the season. It is time to send the message to the league that Redskins are no longer the league's ATM machine.

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | June 16, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Moe, pass me some crow.

Posted by: wireman65 | June 16, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Fine him until they can trade him and trade him fast. I don't think John Fox would take him in Carolina but this is an Al Davis kind of guy. Take what the Raiders will give and get on with life.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles tried the same thing with TO back in the day. Didn't work. They still ended up cutting him and watched him sign with a division rival.

The only reason to have him rot is to stick it to him. It's literally no help to the team whatsoever to have this distraction going into the season. The only way to make it go away is to cut him or trade him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 7:39 AM

Friend, how much bonus money did the Eagles spend on TO, and how many games did he play for them?

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Take what the Raiders will give and get on with life.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 7:55 AM |

Friend, I don't think this is an option. If he doesn't want to play for the Redskins, he won't play for the Raiders, either. He'll give the Redskins a list of two or three teams where he would accept a trade, and Raiders won't be on that list.

Basically, he wants to go back to Tennessee. The only way this will happen is if he pays back a big chunk of money to the Redskins.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"This is what happens when you spend ridiculous sums of money to build around people who have suspect character..."


Professional sports is awash with players of suspect character.

However, most stick to the terms of their contracts, play no matter how or where they are told to, and generally express frustration when they aren't paid what they feel they are worth.

Thing is, Haynesworth has been handsomely paid.

And all he is expressing now is his worthlessness.

Somebody wanna help me eat this crow?

I'm stuffed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Great we have managed to alienate our only GREAT player. Its gonna be a blast this year watching them chip off on Orakpo and having AC go back to a 4 sack season.

Line him up in a 4-3 and work this out. We lose so much by getting rid of this guy, esp for preposterous scenarios like a 3rd rounder. OUr d-line goes back to being a joke w/o him.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

good news is that with perk going down, I got to bed early.......

ok, ah, is easily the biggest pos in the history of pos's...he gets his 21 mil, but now he's gonna pout, and not play...sorry Al, it don't work like that....if I'm MS, he plays for the Redskins, or he ROTS...If I'm BAllen, I put this right back in AH's agents hands, if they can get a couple of high draft picks, like a 2nd, and a 3rd, then he'll get traded, if not, get bent...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Don't trade him, don't cut him, just don't play him. Keep him under contract but don't let him suit up...ever...for the rest of his contract. Then, that fat lazy horrible person (stomping heads, impregnating strippers while married, trying to kill a college teammate, hyper-aggressive driving that nearly killed someone) will never get the chance to be one of the "greats" as he expressed last offseason.

Honestly wouldn't be upset if something bad happened to him. Like getting traded to Oakland. What a coward.

Posted by: Section104 | June 16, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Friend, how much bonus money did the Eagles spend on TO, and how many games did he play for them?

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 7:57 AM


I wasn't comparing the level of bustitude (yeah, I created a new word) between TO and Hayney, I'm making the point that taking a hard line with him won't magically drum up trade interest. Any perception other than "everything's fine here...we're just looking to rebuild" hurts trade value. Plain and simple.

People know we'll be anxious to dump AH and will try to fleece us accordingly. The only way we gain any leverage in this is if the interested party is clearly in desperate need of a 4-3 DT and there's no one else of comparable skill available.

Hope I'm wrong, but my gut feeling is that we're gonna get rid of him for pennies on the dollar like Pittsburgh did with Santonio Holmes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Great we have managed to alienate our only GREAT player. Its gonna be a blast this year watching them chip off on Orakpo and having AC go back to a 4 sack season.

Line him up in a 4-3 and work this out. We lose so much by getting rid of this guy, esp for preposterous scenarios like a 3rd rounder. OUr d-line goes back to being a joke w/o him.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:06 AM


Dude, I REALLY hope you're being facetious with this post because the only person insane enough to believe that crap is AH himself...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"...Haynesworth, through agent Chad Speck, made it known he wants out because he no longer trusts the Redskins."

oooohhhh... it's "trust" is it? i suppose trust and honesty and so forth are really important to albert?

jesus....give me a break....

fine the heck out of him. save a roster spot for him and make him waste the "best years of his life". DO NOT give him what he wants.

the only way we "move him" is if we're offered a young pro bowler or a high first pick.

just did the math. if he sits out all regular season and gets fined:
7x17x$14000=$1,666,000

might not hurt him too bad, but sure would be fun.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 16, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"People know we'll be anxious to dump AH and will try to fleece us accordingly."

You get fleeced when you lose something of value.

Haynesworth stopped being valuable sometime right after the season ended.

And on another note, when you consider how both Haynesworth and Jason Taylor quickly soured on being redskins, you have to wonder, "Wazzup wid dat?"

Why have to good to great defensive players jumped ship on us in the space of a year?

Now that's the thread I want to read.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

just did the math. if he sits out all regular season and gets fined:
7x17x$14000=$1,666,000

might not hurt him too bad, but sure would be fun.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 16, 2010 8:16 AM

Friend, if he "sits out" then he doesn't get paid, so he loses a lot more than that. If he shows up and is a cancer, then he will get suspended and will lose his salary.

As long as he's under contract to the 'Skins, they can control his future.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Looks like after the initial outrage we are all starting to look at this with the 'Skins interest in mind.

Don't get me wrong, I was all for making the b#st#rds life as difficult as hell too, but now I have gotten the bile out of my system agree with Moe and Brownwood that the best thing to do is get cut the cancer out as there is the danger it will infect the entire team and season otherwise.

We can all hope that Danny will forevermore leave the football decisions to the football experts, even if (God forbid) Shanallen doesn't work out and this is just the tail end of Snyderatto playing out and we will never see its like again.

But I also agree with boots1 that Shanahan looks like a 'grudge holder' and I personally don't know how much leverage Knob-end and his agent think they have, but I certainly would not go out of my way to PO Shanahan or Snyder!

Posted by: craig81 | June 16, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Trade him to a team playing the Skins. Spray the Skins uniforms with pork chop scent. When lard butt goes into a trance, chop block his azz.

Posted by: getitritegov | June 16, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Why have to good to great defensive players jumped ship on us in the space of a year?

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 8:16 AM


The answer is easy: they played at a high level elsewhere in another system and thought that they could dictate to their new team how they'd be used. And when dealing with the likes of Greg Blache, that doesn't fly.

As highly as the Redskins have ranked defensively over the last decade, they have a pretty damning trend of misusing their talent.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

craig, how does this in any way shape or form, look bad on Mike Shanny?? What did he do?? Thats just a foolish statement to make.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

F Haynesworth!

That is all.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:06 AM


Dude, I REALLY hope you're being facetious with this post because the only person insane enough to believe that crap is AH himself...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Dead serious. Who do we have on our d-line to get the job done. Orakpo is the only promising player. Carriker, or Maake, both injured we have no idea how they work out. Just tell me again how are we getting any production w our current dline sans fat@ss???

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Who will file for bankruptcy first, Albert or JaMarcus?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2010 2:57 AM

You got to admire the sheer capitalism of it. Albert Haynesworth has a future on Wall Street.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2010 6:22 AM

think zeke has the better perspective on this one....

many such players end up in the poorhouse, despite the big paychecks. wasn't Mark Brunell in the news yesterday about this type of thing?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

co-sign red....what a petulant child this guy is....time for the Redskins to play hard ball....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

FOXTROT...UNIFORM...CHARLIE...KILO...Haynesworth.....you fat greedy ALPHA...SIERRA...SIERRA....piece of SIERRA...HOTEL...INDIA...TANGO.....Do you need a translation?????

Posted by: kingpenn1 | June 16, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't another team have to take his ridiculous contract also? If that's the case, nobody is going to be interested in overpaying by 10 times for an out of shape chronic malcontent. Hang yet another debacle at the feet of Danny Boy.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | June 16, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Trade him to SD for one of their disgruntles...Have webbie scampbell hone his Tea Party oil company attack troll skills on the trade...Why did the American CIA install the Shah of Iran for BP...Whose oil company pipe do you have to suck to get a job over here..

Posted by: frak | June 16, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

But I also agree with boots1 that Shanahan looks like a 'grudge holder'...

Posted by: craig81 | June 16, 2010 8:21 AM


Holding a grudge somehow insinuates that AH did something to Shanahan. The reason Shanahan doesn't like him is simple:

He wants no part of being Redskin.

So if you don't wanna be here, I don't want you here. Plain and simple.

And so goes another example of "When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxq5zirRIjU&feature=PlayList&p=F7DCA330CC6593B1&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=28

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

As long as he's under contract to the 'Skins, they can control his future.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 8:20 AM
.................

well, like i said last night, i sure hope our experts figure out how to stick it to him in the worst possible way. like i also said, i know it's small-minded and short-sighted etc... but there's NO WAY we give him what he wants...

imagine how fat he's become sitting on the bench or at home or wherever for 3 years....

aaaaarrrggghhhh....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 16, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Simply put, he's a bum. Never should have signed him for that money. Oh, I forgot, Dan Snyder was involved.

Posted by: RB1019 | June 16, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

So, Vinny... any follow up questions about your termination?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Is it not possible to sue him for breach of contract?

Posted by: skinfanman | June 16, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I honestly don't understand what this dude is thinking. He's going to be shredded in the media and by the fans today (rightly so). I guess he's just too stupid to realize that he's not helping his career any by doing it this way. I hope Shanny sits him for the season. Everyone talks about him being a distraction but Shanahan hasn't really let it be so far.

Posted by: JulzDC | June 16, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Is it not possible to sue him for breach of contract?

Posted by: skinfanman | June 16, 2010 8:34 AM

Yes, friend, if he actually breaches his contract. But he hasn't breached it yet.

Don't forget that Bruce Allen sued Jake Plummer and got back a chunk of his signing bonus when Plummer retired. Allen traded a pick to Denver for Plummer, ended up with a reasonable cash settlement.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

scamp, do we have a winner?

"zero pounds" appears to be the correct answer, since that is how much showed up at 6:30 am EST.

under Price Is Right rules, I think everybody guessed too high.

under jelly bean rules, the lowest entry would be the champion.

and for those of you inclined to eat crow today:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3225/Eating_Crow.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

If I'm the redskins I give him 2 options:

1.Return the 21 million, and his agent works a trade that the redskins approve of. Something like a 2, and a 3 next year.

2. See #1.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Dead serious. Who do we have on our d-line to get the job done. Orakpo is the only promising player. Carriker, or Maake, both injured we have no idea how they work out. Just tell me again how are we getting any production w our current dline sans fat@ss???

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:29 AM


Dude, you are so far off base I can't even begin to tell you.

And since I'm a glutton for punishment, I feel compelled to try anyway.

First of all, we're not running a 4-3 anymore. So AH isn't a lock to fit in this new system anyway.

Second of all, forget the dominant beast you saw in 2008. That guy died the minute he signed that $100 million contract. Money is the only thing that drove this guy and arguing to the contrary is to ignore the facts.

For your question of who plays the D-line, we have Carriker, Kemo, and Phil Daniels starting. You've got a veteran 3-4 DE in Vonnie Holliday in reserve. Hopefully someone else younger steps up, but that's not a bad looking line. Especially since those guys are all front and center to learn the defense and have indicated that they, you know, WANT to be here.

Ironically, I heard a quote today that fits AH to a tee: "The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing without work." Ignore AH's Madden rating and get with reality: his talent and ability means absolutely NOTHING unless he's working to be elite. Since he's not, he's not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

The Skins should eat the money and put him on the practice squad. No pro-bowls, no shot at the Hall of Fame, no highlight reels. He has a contract to play. If he does not show up for work, sue him to recover some of that bonus. Of course, they should trade him if there is a sucker out there willing to give up a first rounder.

Posted by: chrissummitt | June 16, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Thanks again, Dan!

Posted by: Riddler1 | June 16, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys...I know its been a minute. How's everyone doing? Hey, I have seen many people talking about the Raiders being the ideal situation, but the Raiders are also on the verge of moving to a 3-4 Defense. Thats why they drafted Rolnado McClain. He is a 3-4 MLB. So the only two teams that seem like a good fit is Carloina..But would they even want to deal with him? And does the Titans really want another problem child? I don't think anyone in the league would want him. Make him Sit I say!!!

Posted by: roccoskins | June 16, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 8:29 AM

Didn't you say you're in Idaho?

What time is it there, 5am or something like that?

I guess you woke up early to 'beef' about Haynesworth.

(INSERT rimshot audio and random farm animal sounds to the back drop of the children's song "Old McHaynesworth Had A Farm")

E-E-I-E-E-I-O

"And on that farm he had a contract..."

E-E-I-E-E-I-O

"He didn't want to play here, he didn't want to play there, he took Dan's money...."

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The Skins should eat the money and put him on the practice squad.

Posted by: chrissummitt | June 16, 2010 8:43 AM

Friend, this is not an option. He's not eligible for the practice squad. And if he were, Tennessee would claim him and the 'Skins would get nothing.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Bean - Stern must be relieved that the refs didn't have to throw game 6.... although the Celtics somehow only shot 10 free throws AGAIN, that certainly wasn't the reason they lost. Pierce was getting mauled attacking the hoop, but I think that was just run of the mill home officiating.

Gonna be tough for them to bounce back...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 16, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2010

Darnell Dockett calls out Albert Haynesworth

Though it remains to be seen whether any of Albert Haynesworth's Redskins teammates will speak out on the record regarding their reluctant teammate, a player from another team has made his opinion on the matter clear.

Cardinals defensive tackle Darnell Dockett, who has (when not showering for an Internet camera) been trying to get a big-money deal, ripped Haynesworth on Twitter after hearing that he wants out of Washington only a year after signing a seven-year, $100 million deal (which as a practical matter has a value of $48 million over four).

"That's why I tell y'all I'm nothing like these dudes, for a 100 million my ass will play 4-3, 3-4, 5-9, 4-8, and still whip ass!" Dockett declared. (Actually, we've heard that Vikings coach Brad Childress has been experimenting with the 4-8 alignment. On offense.)

Dockett later posted a link to Mike Sando's blurb acknowledging Dockett's anger, declaring "I swore to tell nothing but the truth!"

As Sando also points out, the $21 million balloon payment Haynesworth received from the Redskins in April exceeds Dockett's entire compensation from 2006 through 2010.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 16, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

To all of those Skins fans who rebuked me for dissing the Haynesworth signing while they said it would be GREAT for the team, "I told you so." Keep him out of Ashburn until they can make some type of arrangement for him. Meanwhile, Danny can make himself useful by sending "Big Al" an HDTV so he can watch how well the Skins will be progressing without his sorry behind. Thank you, Danny, for continuing to destroy my football team one bad free agent signing at a time.

Posted by: stwasm | June 16, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Go back and read articles on this guy from his days at Tennessee- he's borderline bipolar. He continued playing for his monster payday. That's it. It's easy. He got the cash he wanted and immediately lost his desire to train and stay in shape. Period. Last year's "disgruntled" act and this year's 3-4 "excuse" are his way of diverting the attention away from the fact that he's really out of shape and is not willing to make the sacrifices to train and to play at a high level anymore. He did the same thing at Tennessee until it got sunk into his fat head that if he got in the gym he would be a top 15 pick and get paid millions. He doesn't love football, never has. He doesn't play for his teammates, a championship, or a hall of fame legacy. He plays for money and now that his bank account has reached its peak, he's done. He will never been in great shape again, he will never play at his highest level again, and to him it would probably be a relief if he never had to play football again. He's out of shape and no team is going to give the Redskins anything of value for him. The only option I see is to let him stay home, which is most likely exactly what he wants.

Posted by: Chris2172 | June 16, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

ryp, agreed, it was the lakers night, perk going down took the wind out of their sails....

Imagine the gall that you have to have, to cash a 21 million dollar check, and then pull this crap?? I mean, why isn't his agent/friends/managers/SOMEONE, telling him he looks like a GINORMOUS donkey by doing this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Easy. If he really means what he says he'll repay some bonus and agree to restructure his contract to help get a deal done. If not, no pay + fines till he suits up and plays. Let him sit and eat burgers till he explodes.

Posted by: kone | June 16, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Thats pretty delusional. Im just as pissed at the situation at hand as anyone but to say that a vet backup(vonnie) a vet w injuries(daniels), a NT with a torn achilies (maake) or a 3-4 yearwithout much production also coming off an injury.

Seriously all of these plepole plus the next two scrubs they pick up for AH absence do not make up for fat Al.

Last year was the first time in long time our line was decent and that was completely due to albert. But you prob also think he played terrible last year which shows how little you know about the position.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Gonna be tough for them (Da Celtics) to bounce back..."

Winning a championship in Game 7 on the road almost never happens in the NBA.

But this will happen Thursady nite.

As we said, the Lakers' bench showed up to rescue game 6.

But bench's never show up for back to back games, even if it's a home game.

The Celtics Big 3 and bench--Garnett, Pierce, Allen--is greater than the Lakers 3 of Kobe, Gasol, Odom/Artest.

Rondo/Nate Robertson will show they Lakers that they need a pure point guard.

And the Celtics Big 3 will 'man up' and collect yet another trophy for the Yankees of the NBA:

The Boston Celtics.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Instead of all this talk about benching him for the season or trading him to Oakland, why not just plug your ears, sing "la-la-la" and pretend he showed up this morning eager to practice and completely ripped?

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What guarantee do you all have Snyder will not do this again? Deion, Fat Al etc. Just becuase he hired Brucie doesn't mean he still isn't in charge. Brucie is all numbers. he isn't a GM. Mikie is over the hill and if he hadn't had Elway he would just be another loser NFL coach.

Until Snyder's wife finally decides to divorce him and Danny Boy is forced to sell or sells the team you all are stuck with an owner who repeats his mistakes. "I won the presseason again" I hire a Super Bowl winning coach again. Rinse, count my profit, masturbate and repeat is Danny Boy's motto

Posted by: sheepherder | June 16, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Another teachable moment for Dan Snyder. Let Fat Albert sit on the end of the bench or his boat...whatever.
Or better yet, send him down to the Gulf and tie his Fat A$$ to a couple of boats and let him block the oil!

Posted by: cavys | June 16, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 8:42 AM

You sure you don't work for the Skins. None of the players you named is as good as Haynesworth. Don't let your dislike for the player cloud your judgment. Haynesworth was a force last year. The D was top five. Why change things so dramatically on the one side of the ball that worked (without the personnel in place to do so) and alienate your best player. It doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Take what the Raiders will give and get on with life.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 7:55 AM |

Friend, I don't think this is an option. If he doesn't want to play for the Redskins, he won't play for the Raiders, either. He'll give the Redskins a list of two or three teams where he would accept a trade, and Raiders won't be on that list.

Basically, he wants to go back to Tennessee. The only way this will happen is if he pays back a big chunk of money to the Redskins.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 8:01 AM
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I don't think Haynesworth has said anything about where he would want to go other than he doesn't want to play in a 3-4. Someone on here said the Raiders are migrating to a 3-4 also, so that probably does remove them from the list. What the Redskins need is the team with the perfect balance of the right defense and a stupid front office that will overlook Haynesworth's notable flaws.

Maybe the end game here is cutting him, but I don't think so. Keeping him and fining him every day for missing required practices and games at least gets them some of their money back. Cutting him won't.

Perhaps there is the possibility that Big Al will pay back some of his contract in exchange for his release ala Lavar Arrington. Since he has now come out and said he wants to be traded, this opens the door for talks at this level to begin. The Redskins are going to be looking for some payback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth arguably is the most talented player on the roster..."

Arguably at best.

Posted by: DurhamBully | June 16, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone waving the AH flag right now needs to get slapped.

Even I've burned my AH flag along with an effigy of Chad Speck while dancing and hooting on the street of a Middle Eastern town - you can see the video on CNN.

This team and coach did not "alienate" Haynesworth in any way. You don't chart a course of the team and choose a defensive philosophy based on a single player.

AH is a just a steaming pile of crap on a cold day. It's that simple.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the NFL Players Union, the players and their agents lose bargaining leverage every time this type of thing happens? I would think he would be getting some hate mail about now.

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 16, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Repost from the wee hours:

Well, I said that AH would show up, do what is required of his contract, and when he is on the field, perform as he usually does.

I appear thus far to have been wrong saying that. This puts a very interesting spin on the whole thing. It all really comes down to the verbiage in his contract, and the official NFL-approved categories of "He ain't here" the Redskins can put him in.

Think about THAT one for a minute. "Physically unable to perform", since he didn't take his physical? "Did not report, retired"? What other interesting options are made available to the Skins due to AH's (on-going) self-defeating behaviors?

His agent must feel they are in a position of strength (or can't convince AH its a bad idea to not report, and has no choice but to play the hand dealt him) by agreeing with his client to not report (assuming he actually doesn't). Does his contract have a clause that says he doesn't have to report if he feels he was lied to/disrespected/told he was not to have to play in anything but a 4-3 here? If it does, what kind of idiot FO would allow such a clause? (Rhetorical; we all know the answer...)

I can't see how AH can even say that he doesn't want to play in whatever scheme the Skins are implementing, because he hasn't been around to see what it is! If he came in, took a look and a taste, he might even say, "You know, this has potential to be great for me!"

I think the next few days, weeks and month are going to be fascinating as this plays out. As of tonight's escapades, he's unlikely to ever play another down for the Skins. So it will be a struggle over the money, and his value in trade (which, again after tonight, is too low to even discuss), and how long the Skins can force him to sit... The permutations branch so rapidly it makes my head spin.

Meanwhile, we'll dance with them what brung us.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 16, 2010 12:50 AM
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Oh, and by the way, are we still going to be the hardest working team in football? I guess AH not being in won't change the cumulative team work level by any noticeable amount.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 16, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

To hell with albert aintsworth. Dan made the mistake, but it seems like this isn't the place to get the money and run anymore. If you are thinking of letting him go or trading him then you are living with letting him have the money this year. So why not make him stay and be unhappy sitting on the bench and not make any more incentive money if there is any to make. Al will try to be disruptive to the team, but he wouldn't attend any meetings or practices he would just suit up on sundays and sit on the sideline. His next move will be to fake an injury. Good stick his fat lazy a$$ on the injury reserve list and see his a$$ next offseason and cut him before the next bonus is due or season begans. He'll be unhappy he didn't play this year. He'll be a year older and without any recent game tapes. He might not give money back but everyone will get the message that this isn't the place for that anymore.

Posted by: Hackersk | June 16, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Last year was the first time in long time our line was decent and that was completely due to albert. But you prob also think he played terrible last year which shows how little you know about the position.


Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 8:55 AM


I didn't think he was terrible, but you're stuck to far in between his nuts if you think he played anywhere near the level he played at in '07 and '08. We didn't pay him for mediocre or pretty good. We paid him to be the beast we saw in '08.

And we didn't.

Then you say I'm "delusional" because I think we'll be OK on the D-line without him? Really? I'm on record as saying I'll take a player with less talent and a high motor/work ethic than a supremely talented player with crappy work habits. And since most coaches in ANY sport will agree with that, I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me "delusional".

And what's your deal anyway? Are you Skins fan or a Fat Albert fan?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Beantown - I'm not at all saying this is on Shanahan. Quite the opposite, I do not think Shanahan has a case to answer at all in this. How could you have 'handled' AH any better, as some claim he should have done? AH said he was going to practice on his own, Shanahan made no public statement belittling or criticising him, just let him get on with it in the hope (we all had, whether lovers or haters of AH) that he would come back in shape and ready to play.

I don't buy this business about a 3-4 system shouldn't have been implemented cos it doens't suit AH, they're not using their talent properly, AH has been 'betrayed' etc etc either. Quite apart from these changes happen in the NFL and players (fairly or unfairly) have to live with it, as the Redskins coaches said publically to my knowledge, there are 3-4's and there are 3-4's. Summing it up easily, theres the kind where the NT takes up space and blockers (Pittsburgh and Casey Hampton) and the kind where the NT is used as a disruptive force (Cowgirls and Jay Ratliff). Even assuming that the plan was to simply stick AH at NT and leave him there, which seems to have been the ASSUMPTION since the team said several times that they were going to mostly use him at DE, do we really know what kind of 3-4 they were going to use.

As I think brownwood was the first to say here, Haynesworth has decided he doens't want to play in the 3-4 without bothering to find out what kind of 3-4 scheme the 'Skins are using and or what it means specifically to him (since the 'team' doens't seem to be a matter of any import to him).

And as I meant but may not have explained full:
- In the long term we have to hope that Snyder has finally learnt his lesson the very hard way (since apparently the prevous 10 years of this kind of nonsense wasn't enough), and even if Shanallen cannot make the Redskins winners again when 3,4, 5 years down the road they gone, Snyder hires more football professionals (like Shanahan and Allen)and lets them make the personnel decisions.
B) Shanahan inherited AH and to me from what has been revealed publically hasn't liked him practicing by himself but in tghe absence of a good enough trade offer has let him do it if its made the prospect of AH turning up happy, in shape and ready to go higher. However now AH has turned around and done this, I think Shanahan (and Snyder) are not going to, shall we say - forgive or forget easily.
Rightly, far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: craig81 | June 16, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"I will not be a $41 million bust" !!!....LOL!!

Posted by: semilost44 | June 16, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth - What a jerk!!!

This is what Darnell Dockett tweeted last night - this is the attitude players should have:

"That's why I tell yall I'm nothing like these dudes, for a 100 millon my a$$ will play 4-3, 3-4 5-9, 4-8, and still whip a$$!

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 16, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow what a suprise! AH wants traded. Nobody saw this coming. Let's try to remind everyone who the coach of the redskins is NOW. Shanny has played it politically correct, so has HAslett and Allen. But they kneew this was coming next step.......pay back ala another disgruntled overpayed baby.....Lavar Arrington. SEE YAH.....

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Pfunk switched positions on this so rapidly and forcefully my laptop almost fell off the table.

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Pau Gasol beeeee-ches.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Pfunk switched positions on this so rapidly and forcefully my laptop almost fell off the table.

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse


So did Haynesworth...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

You sure you don't work for the Skins. None of the players you named is as good as Haynesworth. Don't let your dislike for the player cloud your judgment. Haynesworth was a force last year. The D was top five. Why change things so dramatically on the one side of the ball that worked (without the personnel in place to do so) and alienate your best player. It doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 8:58 AM


Are you sure you're not AH's agent?

How you and Stu can defend this guy is incomprehensible...I mean, this guy has done nothing but come to town, promise the world, and delivered little...all the while pocketing untold millions. And the minute someone asks him to come in early to help get things turned around he pouts and wants out? How the hell can you spin that as a good thing or somehow fault the Redskins for that?

Like I said...it would be one thing if he came in, investigated what the coaches are asking of him, and promptly decided he doesn't like it. But dude has had a sh*tty attitude about this coaching change from jump. He's a turd. There's literally no other way to spin this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Fine him again and again and again and have him rot in the bench until he pays back the $21 million he has stolen.

Posted by: mjwies11 | June 16, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Fine him again and again and again and have him rot on the bench until he pays back the $21 million he has stolen.

Posted by: mjwies11 | June 16, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

my a$$ will play 4-3, 3-4 5-9, 4-8, and still whip a$$!

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 16, 2010 9:06 AM


I'm sure he would in the latter two formations...since there would be 14 and 12 players on the field respectively...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

You sure you don't work for the Skins. None of the players you named is as good as Haynesworth. Don't let your dislike for the player cloud your judgment. Haynesworth was a force last year. The D was top five. Why change things so dramatically on the one side of the ball that worked (without the personnel in place to do so) and alienate your best player. It doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 8:58 AM


Good points.

We should publicly apologize to AH for alienating him, announce our mistake and go back to a 4-3, and then give him an extension with a big signing bonus to smooth things over.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Question for the "just release him" crowd.

What if he end up with the Pokes, or Iggles, or Gints?

That would be bad.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 16, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:10 AM

I'm not "defending" Haynesworth or his actions. I'm questioned your comment regarding other players v. Haynesworth and mgmt's decision to change defensive schemes without the personnel on hand to do so.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

brown, bingo, you can't spin this...in any way....The team did NOTHING to deserve this treatment, from this pos...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how anyone can defend AH even if he could have played the way he did the year with the titans that earned him the "100million $ MAN" contract in which he has now pocketed 41 million. Oh we could always continue to baby talk with him into joining his teamates. ... nevermind he doesn't care about them either.....HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF....HE'S AN ASSET? When he refused to attend voluntary camp he was no longer an asset.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so it's 99.999% sure that Haynesworth has felt up his last stripper in DC. Everyone agrees Mako is the nose. Who are the ends? Carriker and Daniels? What does this do to the defense?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

mgmt's decision to change defensive schemes without the personnel on hand to do so.

I'm pretty sure that the guy running the defense for the Redskins wouldn't have made this change if he though it couldn't succeed....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I gotta say dude...you and I have been going back and forth on opposite sides of the AH debate since the day he was signed. I'm not sure how take actually arguing the SAME side of the debate with you.

First McNabb in burgundy and gold and now this...haha

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

So now all you Monday Morning Quarterbacks are now Monday Morning Coaches and General Managers. Big Al the Great was going to put the Redskins back on the road to respectability by doing what he had always done, play exceptional football. That was assured with blood oaths by Snyder and Vinny that his role was set in stone and money was secondary. But then Greg Blache sez I be the defense coach around here, I don't give a rat's butt what Snyder and Vinny said, so you do what all my marginal, no-name defensive tackles always do, be a wealthy nobody, and let Landon make the tackles. So Big Al sez WTF to HC Zorn and Zorn sez "I got nothing to do with it, talk to Blache because he won't and don't have to listen to me."

So we get a new head coach and using the same coach illogic bred into their psyche from the days of George Halas, the new coach doesn't look at the available talent and decide how to best use them, he sez I got a system and in order for that to work I have to make my silk purses into sows' ears, turn a race horse into a plow horse, and turn a fighter jet into a prop cargo plane because my coaching and my system is superior to their talent. I don't care about a player's talents that made him an All American or an All Pro, he is going to change and do it my way if he can and if he can't it's hit the road jack time. Look at the way Zorn turned a big, down field throwing QB into a dink and dunker. The only reason it failed is that the QB wasn't talented enough to overcome his talent and become a new talent. It wasn't Zorn's fault.

I don't blame Haynesworth one bit. He is a unique talent, another Reggie White. Reggie White was allowed to play his game and remained an all pro until he was almost eligible for social security. Snyder promised Haynesworth he would be able to play his game in DC forever which would have made him an annual All Pro DT, earn more lucrative contracts in the future, and be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Shanahan's scheme is a ticket to oblivion, a wealthy oblivion to be sure, but for some athletes, fame is more important than fortune.

So find Albert a new home and hopefully get something of value in return. Snyder again looks like a fool but what else is new. Let the season begin.

Posted by: Chopper | June 16, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


It feels like the decision amounts to going 8-8 without that slug as opposed to 8-8 without him. Mr. Atta-tude isn't going to produce squatoreen for the D this year if he stays. If nothing else, getting rid of him frees up a lot more oxygen in the locker room.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | June 16, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

mgmt's decision to change defensive schemes without the personnel on hand to do so.

I'm pretty sure that the guy running the defense for the Redskins wouldn't have made this change if he though it couldn't succeed....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM
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Yep. I heard a pretty good reason for moving to the 3-4 is that you don't need the uber-talented defensive linemen that you need in the 4-3, you just need big, strong immovable objects. So, Haynesworth is a loss but not as great a loss as he would have been had they stuck to the 4-3, and he won't be so hard to replace.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

brown, bingo, you can't spin this...in any way....The team did NOTHING to deserve this treatment, from this pos...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse


Beg to differ.

Truth be told, the organization deserves this treatment. Everyone knew that Vinny Cerratto was an incompetent, but he was given the keys. Everyone knew it was a mistake to give this guy $100 million.

Kind of like those people who have pet chimpanzees; they feed them from a bottle, give them a little bed to sleep in; drive them around in a babyseat in the car.

Then one day the chimp goes berzerk and eats off its owner's face.

You sort of feel bad, but then you're like - WTH were you expecting? It's a freakin' wild chimpanzee!

Should have gotten a goldfish...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I think he has no desire to play football anymore after winning the lotto. He lied the whole time, from saying he doesn't want to be a distraction to saying he was training on his own. He was stalling. Who's to say that if they kept a 4-3 he wouldn't of found some other excuse not to show up?

Posted by: ga8085 | June 16, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Sorry LH, usually agree w/your take, but can't cosign here. AH never even gave the scheme a chance, nor was it ever stated he would play NT, or at least exclusively.

Love the flip flopping...highly entertaining...

And yes the skins do deserve this to a degree b/c they signed him in the first place. NONE of this is shocking and was utterly predictable, regardless of circumstances.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

And what's your deal anyway? Are you Skins fan or a Fat Albert fan?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Why the f*ck you say i keep defending this guy. Im not. Im saying the best senario for the skins are to have him play a 4-3 end. You the fing tard that that thinks a NT with a torn achillies is gonna be the fix or fing vonnie holliday. I never said he played as well as he did in '07 but he played better then any dlineman we had in a very long time.
Im not up his nuts im being real about my teams situation. You the no knowledge dum @ss that thinks adam Carriker will be the answer.

Also stop saying we have had a top 5 D the past few years. ranking d by total yards given up is just as tarded as you acting like our D just got better.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't blame Haynesworth one bit.

Sometimes you can't fix stupid......

p1, COMPLETELY disagree about the Redskins deserving this. They do not, not at all

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

PFT reporting Haynesworth and Jason Taylor are collaborating on a new Dancing with the Stars series featuring clips from previous seasons because no one felt like showing up to do the actual work.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

HE'S AN ASSET? When he refused to attend voluntary camp he was no longer an asset.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:19 AM


He was never an asset...just an asshat.

lh, you've obviously never had the story of "The Tortoise and the Hare" read to you as a child. Clearly turtles aren't faster than rabbits, yet the turtle won the race. Hopefully, I don't have to explain to you why.

Nobody's saying that the current D-lineman are as TALENTED as AH, but they clearly work harder and will be better prepared to play come Week 1. I'll take the less talented "effort" guy ready to play over the out of shape, absentee "talented" guy 10 times outta 10 and twice on Sunday.

As Redskins fans, we have witnessed this franchise earn 3 SB trophies because of a collection of the former. I can't fathom for the life of me why someone who professes to love the burgundy and gold would defend the latter even a little bit...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I gotta say dude...you and I have been going back and forth on opposite sides of the AH debate since the day he was signed. I'm not sure how take actually arguing the SAME side of the debate with you.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse


I don't know about "since the day he was signed" b/c I never thought it was a good idea to sign him to begin with.

But once he was here and we gave him a bazillion $$, my point is that we should work with him as long as he's working with us.

I was prepared to take his statements about coming to camp, doing what the coaches ask, not being a distraction at face-value, until I have valid reason to do otherwise, b/c that's how I roll...

...now I have valid reason to do otherwise...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Money can't buy happiness, and Albert Haynesworth proves it. This man -- no, this spoiled, immature adolescent in an over-sized man's body -- single-handedly exemplifies what is wrong with professional sports. If the NFL were the military he'd be tossed out without a dime, but only after spending a few years locked up in Leavenworth. Why do owners let players get away with crap like this!!!??? This is blatant breech of contact! He needs to "man up" and do his job! If he doesn't want to play nose-tackle perhaps he needs to enlist and be sent to Afghanistan where he can "play" point! Is it possible for congress to institue a draft for just one person?

Here's a thought...if the lock-out happens and we don't have a football season next year, we can take baby Haynesworth's millions and pay the salaries for all the "little people" that the lock-out affects, like the janitors, concession stand workers, etc.

Posted by: barriesargent | June 16, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so it's 99.999% sure that Haynesworth has felt up his last stripper in DC. Everyone agrees Mako is the nose. Who are the ends? Carriker and Daniels? What does this do to the defense?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM


There is less emphasis on the 3 D Lineman all the action is coming from the 2 somethimes 3 blitzing LB as with what the steelers have been doing. CONFUSION IS THE KEY. 4-3 is so played out I'm glad Shanny wanted to bring in Hasslet and make a change. AH still could have played end and been in the spotlight like seymore. Dude doesn't like authority.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"I don't blame Haynesworth one bit.

Sometimes you can't fix stupid......

p1, COMPLETELY disagree about the Redskins deserving this. They do not, not at all

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Here is a shock, BG takes a completely narrow view based soley on the set of facts that fit into a 24 hour window, while actually contradicting himself in his own post. BG riddle me this...if you can't fix stupid and you don't blame AH, then who is at fault for signing him in the first place....Um the Redskins?

It didn't take ESP to know a year ago that signing AH was a suckers bet....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

p1, COMPLETELY disagree about the Redskins deserving this. They do not, not at all

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Bean,

If you get into bed with a prostitute, you deserve herpes...

I don't know what's better. To just ship him out of town immediately and rid the Skins of the last albatross from the Cerratto era once and for all. Or to keep him on the roster for the next 6 years and let him languish at the bottom of the depth chart.

Reason goes with the former. Spite prefers the latter.

So far this morning, I'm feeling mean...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I say we trade him but to only teams that run a 3-4. That would be the way to stick it to him, stay here and play or dont play or if you want out we get a pick from another team but he can only go to a team that runs a 3-4 also

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"I was prepared to take his statements about coming to camp, doing what the coaches ask, not being a distraction at face-value, until I have valid reason to do otherwise, b/c that's how I roll..."

like a square rock?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:20 AM

Are you really saying this about this franchise given its history under Snyder?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The whole thing makes me ill. There will be no winners here (though Albert gets to pocket some nice coin...). Both sides screwed the pooch on this one.

Moving on.

Posted by: edvar | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

BG riddle me this...if you can't fix stupid and you don't blame AH, then who is at fault for signing him in the first place....Um the Redskins?

It didn't take ESP to know a year ago that signing AH was a suckers bet....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse
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The "" symbols around the "I don't blame AH one bit" didn't tip you off that he was quoting someone else and calling them stupid?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

F*ck Albert Haynesworth. Is there any possible way to trade him straight up to another team for a Probowl caliber tackle?

Maybe AH for Jamaal Brown in New Orleans?
They run a 4-3.

IDK this piece of s is the worst ever.

Any of you GM's on the blog know if this or something similar to this could happen?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Did they deserve it? No.

Should they have known it was possible? Yeah.

Kind of like falling in love with a stripper and then making her a wife.

Sure you might treat her perfectly and don't deserve her cheating, but odds are its gonna happen anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 16, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"I don't blame Haynesworth one bit. He is a unique talent, another Reggie White. Reggie White was allowed to play his game and remained an all pro until he was almost eligible for social security. Snyder promised Haynesworth he would be able to play his game in DC forever which would have made him an annual All Pro DT, earn more lucrative contracts in the future, and be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Shanahan's scheme is a ticket to oblivion, a wealthy oblivion to be sure, but for some athletes, fame is more important than fortune.

So find Albert a new home and hopefully get something of value in return. Snyder again looks like a fool but what else is new. Let the season begin."

Posted by: Chopper

Huh??? It's my understanding Haynesworth has NOT even spoken to the Skins about how they will be using him - he's just acting like a big baby with his panties in a wad.

And this statement from you: "Snyder promised Haynesworth he would be able to play his game in DC forever which would have made him an annual All Pro DT, earn more lucrative contracts in the future, and be a first ballot Hall of Famer." ?

Well, Haynesworth took Snyders $$$$$$$ and promised him he would be a great teammate and do what it takes to help the team win -since he is now bailing he should give the $$$ back. Then they would maybe be squared up.

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 16, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"I was prepared to take his statements about coming to camp, doing what the coaches ask, not being a distraction at face-value, until I have valid reason to do otherwise, b/c that's how I roll..."

like a square rock?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse


like a rolling stone that gathers no moss...

And speaking of "no moss", any update on the Galea stuff?

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

You know, there has to be some little caveat in Haynesworth's contract that he is in violation of. Snyder's legal team should dissect the contract and put together a lawsuit. This is theft: whether or not it violates the law, it certainly violates the spirit of the agreement between player and team, and there should be some legal precedent. They should hang him out to dry with max fines, lawsuits, etc. and not agree to trade or cut him until he agrees to pay back some of his money.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

because the redskins signed him they deserve this??

really?? Yup, lets not blame AH, lets blame the team. I mean they signed him and gave him all that money, they deserve this....cuz AH gave this a shot and all....he came in saw what was going on, and came to this conclusion.....no wait...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I say we trade him but to only teams that run a 3-4. That would be the way to stick it to him, stay here and play or dont play or if you want out we get a pick from another team but he can only go to a team that runs a 3-4 also

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM

And which 3-4 team would have him, oh Great One?

Posted by: edvar | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what's better. To just ship him out of town immediately and rid the Skins of the last albatross from the Cerratto era once and for all. Or to keep him on the roster for the next 6 years and let him languish at the bottom of the depth chart.

Reason goes with the former. Spite prefers the latter.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:36 AM

Friend, I think that reason goes with plan C which you didn't mention: get him to return a substantial chunk of the money he's been paid.

He's signed a contract and the Redskins control his future. If he wants out, he has to pay.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Pfunk switched positions on this so rapidly and forcefully my laptop almost fell off the table.

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse


So did Haynesworth...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

He did? Then I missed the moment when he was a hard working player who put the team first.

Fact is, every single bit of negative criticism aimed his way— poorly conditioned, selfish, questionable character, money driven, etc.— has turned out to be true.

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

On the serious... who is going to take AH for anything other than a ham sandwich? $32 mil later and he's still whining about his feelings? I wonder if AH's husband also complains too much.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins could fine Haynesworth about $14,000 a day if he misses training camp. Haynesworth and Speck have not addressed their plans for training camp."

I'm thinking that's probably what will happen. Can't see Haynesworth changing his mind, so the club would just keep deducting $$ until a trade can be arranged. What will they get for Haynesworth? Depends on how sweet a deal they're willing to make.

Would they keep him on the roster all season? They just might. As to how much of a distraction it would be, that depends on the media, and on how the Skins do during the regular season. If they struggle early, the media will blame it on Haynesworth's absence.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Another vote here for, "blood in...blood out"

IF Albert Butterworth is so unhappy & was so misled that "out" is the only equitable solution THEN roll-over big boy & get out your checkbook. Give back some percentage of the money you were only too happy to take to come here & you're free to go. You've made yourself untradeable with your antics. We're not gonna bother with that route.

What's that, Buttertub? Don't wanna do that... Well then, stay home & give it back in fines one day at a time.

The choice, Buttertub, as always rests with you. Makes no diff to us. We've got a season to get ready for.

If the 'Skins adopted this as their position, I suspect that the sentiment of a couple of previous posts would be confirmed. This is all blue smoke & mirrors to deflection attention away from the fact that he's not training & really doesn't want to play anywhere. If he could figure out how to not give back a penny & never work another day in his life, that would be just fine with him.

A "breach of contract" lawsuit may be his best bet in that regard & this article reads like a sneak preview of his argument in the lawsuit that may be coming down the road.

Posted by: clb_in_md | June 16, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 8:45 AM

yep, Pacific Standard Time.

we still get questions from colleagues who want to know why we moved to the "midwest"... everyone seems to think we live Ohio or Iowa.

in general, I'm more of a morning, er, person...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

because the redskins signed him they deserve this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse


Yes. Ever heard the term "buyer beware"?

Obviously the Skins aren't to blame for making AH a giant turd of a human being.

But the Skins are to blame for choosing to trust him with a $100 million contract.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

No trade..I'm sure Bruce Allen and a ton of lawyers are working on a payout or some way to recover some of the money already spent. I don't foresee any cooperation given from Haynesworth's people, judging from what I've seen, I don't think Albert wants to play football or has ever really liked it. The sooner this thing is closed, the better.

Posted by: Ratzoe | June 16, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Has this bridge been burned? I barley got a glimpse of the best DT in the game. So much talent not enough humility.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Fact is, every single bit of negative criticism aimed his way— poorly conditioned, selfish, questionable character, money driven, etc.— has turned out to be true.

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse


Yes, it has turned out to be true. Which is why I'm wasting my morning up here slamming the guy.

Of course before it turned out to be true...well, that's a different thing.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

ranking d by total yards given up is just as tarded as you acting like our D just got better.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 9:26 AM


Finally...something we can agree on. Ranking D by yardage is lame.

Back to AH...we don't NEED him. What you and lh are falling over yourselves about is that AH is soooo great and can't possibly be replaced. I wholeheartedly disagree, especially with the change to a 3-4.

As RSH said, you don't have to be uber-talented to play DE in a 3-4. Your job is to tie up blockers so the LBs can make all the plays. Paying AH top dollar for grunt work isn't necessary, especially if he's gonna be a dick about it.

And it's 100% speculation that you're getting a dominant player anyway. So many up here get enamored with his 2008 season that they completely ignore the rest of his career. He's a career underachiever that blew up in a contract year. I just don't get how you don't see that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

whoops...good call Mattysound...but in my defense...one " is missing...

But BG is still wrong. Its not as clear cut as he claims (is it ever) of course the Redskins as an ORG have culpability here based on the monumental idiocy of signing him at all...less than 14 months ago (give or take). He was a neon sign screaming "TROUBLE"...

Now I don't think AH is guiltless, F him hard...and I think that Shanallen have handled this coreCTLY AND AH is a complete dueche in his actions....but you pet a rattle snake, you can expect to get bit.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately there is no breach of contract for this fat@ss. We can fine him for missing any mandatory time, mini camp, training camp but this POS for the most part got the best of us.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:26 AM

CL, I think Shanahan made it clear to Haynesworth when they met that he would be playing NT. That has to be the case considering the only other real NT on the team is a 350 lb 31 y-o coming off of an Achilles injury. I have to believe he was signed to be a reserve not a starter. I think Chopper explains the situation best above.

To others siding with mgmt, it's silly to think that the coach and GM should not have considered the roster when choosing a defensive scheme. The company has invested $41M in equipment that can't be returned or refunded. Why take on a project for which the equipment is of no use?

Brownwood, I know the story of the Tortoise and the Hare. Apparently, you are confused about which character represents the Skins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse


I say we trade him but to only teams that run a 3-4. That would be the way to stick it to him, stay here and play or dont play or if you want out we get a pick from another team but he can only go to a team that runs a 3-4 also

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM

And which 3-4 team would have him, oh Great One?

Posted by: edvar | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM


Good thing I learned how to read sarcasm. Possibly San diego who has some d-line issues. We could possibly swap AH and Vince Wilfork who is unhappy in NE

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb better have Jason Campbell on speed dial. D-Mac's not used to this kind of dysfunctional team.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 16, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Can't see Haynesworth changing his mind, so the club would just keep deducting $$ until a trade can be arranged. What will they get for Haynesworth? Depends on how sweet a deal they're willing to make.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 16, 2010 9:45 AM

Friend, the 'Skins can never get value for Haynesworth in a trade. He will have to buy back his contract and they'll release him as a free agent.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Kind of like those people who have pet chimpanzees; they feed them from a bottle, give them a little bed to sleep in; drive them around in a babyseat in the car.

Then one day the chimp goes berzerk and eats off its owner's face.

You sort of feel bad, but then you're like - WTH were you expecting? It's a freakin' wild chimpanzee!

Should have gotten a goldfish...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Mr. Funk:

You officially owe me a new keyboard, and some more coffee.

Posted by: GoTeamGoTeamGooooooTeamYay | June 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I learned how to read sarcasm. Possibly San diego who has some d-line issues. We could possibly swap AH and Vince Wilfork who is unhappy in NE

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I would rather have the disgruntled Logan Mankins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM

And which 3-4 team would have him, oh Great One?

Posted by: edvar | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM


Good thing I took that class on reading sarcasm.

We could trade him to san diego for maybe vincent jackson. San diego has some d-line issues. Maybe we could send him to NE for Vince Wilfork or Logan Mankins who both have expressed wanting out of NE.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The stench of Vinny C still lingers.

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I get it so just stop you think he sucked last year and that Vonnie Holliday is awsome i get it.
Go back and read your kids books about turtles, maybe the icecream man will swing by and make this the best day ever for you. Such an idiot to think we are a better D w/o him.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

No trade..I'm sure Bruce Allen and a ton of lawyers are working on a payout or some way to recover some of the money already spent. I don't foresee any cooperation given from Haynesworth's people, judging from what I've seen, I don't think Albert wants to play football or has ever really liked it. The sooner this thing is closed, the better.

Posted by: Ratzoe | June 16, 2010 9:47 AM


First time this has been mentioned. Valid points. I, up till now, thought he'd give back millions for his freedom and be a FA. He's still going to end up with living room full of cash and will be content on spending his lives spending it all, if he's budhist. Snyder is going to be glad he's got Allen on his side.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM

And which 3-4 team would have him, oh Great One?

Posted by: edvar | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM


Good thing I took that class on reading sarcasm.

We could trade him to san diego for maybe vincent jackson. San diego has some d-line issues. Maybe we could send him to NE for Vince Wilfork or Logan Mankins who both have expressed wanting out of NE.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:38 AM

And which 3-4 team would have him, oh Great One?

Posted by: edvar | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM


Good thing I took that class on reading sarcasm.

We could trade him to san diego for maybe vincent jackson. San diego has some d-line issues. Maybe we could send him to NE for Vince Wilfork or Logan Mankins who both have expressed wanting out of NE.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

yeah, cl, the redskins aren't living up to their end of the contract...no, no they are actually. Its all ONE sided. AH hasn't shown up for workouts, AH, has refused to come to mandatory team events, how much clearer do you need it to be?

They signed him, he showed up in poor shape, whose fault is that??

N"ow I don't think AH is guiltless, F him hard...and I think that Shanallen have handled this coreCTLY AND AH is a complete dueche in his actions"

hahaha...classic

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Of course before it turned out to be true...well, that's a different thing.

Posted by: p1funk

I cut off my electricity b/c why pay for light when the sun is out? But than it became night, who knew?, so I called Con Ed and paid double to have it turned on....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse


1. Certain people (!) and the Washington Post have seen this coming from a mile away.

2. I've enjoyed AH "calling out" Dan Snyder. It's just rich with irony and very funny.

3.. Disagree what people are saying about letting AH go. It doesn't rid the Skins of Snyderatto albatross to get rid of AH. This has great potential to be a wonderful watershed moment, where the people that run this organization finally and simply say no mas -- that we expect people we sign to play hard and we demand full and fair value in any transaction...

However, I'm not sure Snyder will let them keep AH because it's frankly an embarrassment for Dan Snyder to have this mess he made in his face 24/7. On the other hand, stupidly, Haynesworth is practically daring Dan Snyder to keep him in Washington.

3. Unless there's a favorable deal -- at least 2 high round draft picks -- that can be gotten for this turd, I say for the good of the franchise, the only rational move here is that he stays and and sits -- for the duration. Put him on the effing practice squad.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the Skins aren't to blame for making AH a giant turd of a human being.

But the Skins are to blame for choosing to trust him with a $100 million contract.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:46 AM


There is no better way to phrase this situation. Well done pfunk.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately there is no breach of contract for this fat@ss. We can fine him for missing any mandatory time, mini camp, training camp but this POS for the most part got the best of us.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse


That all depends on how badly Danny wants to play hardball.

Bottom line is that the Redskins own his playing rights for the next 5 years or so.

Right now, AH is talking about holding out for a trade. If the Skins refuse to trade him and he continues to not report, then something has to give. Is AH really prepared to end his playing career like this?

If AH does blink and finally does report, you can bet the house that he's going to be fatter, lazier, and more out of shape than ever - do you really think AH is going to stay in tip-top playing shape during all of this?

Then the Skins can PUP him, or bench him and claim that he's not in good enough shape to play football, and that his trade value has diminished as a result.

All the while, the Skins can find all sorts of reasons to fine him and discipline him.

Sure, during all of this Danny will have to pay out cash to him as well. But in return, Danny can take the rest of his playing career away from him.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I learned how to read sarcasm. Possibly San diego who has some d-line issues. We could possibly swap AH and Vince Wilfork who is unhappy in NE

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I would rather have the disgruntled Logan Mankins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes on Makins, make this happen please.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

D-Mac's not used to this kind of dysfunctional team.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 16, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse


??

Ever heard of a professional football player named Terrell Owens?

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

great, I think both run the 3-4....I'd like VJack, but don't think either team would want him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:58 AM

I see why you no longer practice law. You give off the cuff crappy advice and you switch sides faster than a Frenchman.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I say we trade his fat butt for a decent WR and move on. Any teams out there need a Fat piece of cr@p tackle and have 1 too many WR's?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

First time this has been mentioned.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM

Friend, actually, it's the sixth time it has been mentioned. I put it up first @ 6:56 this morning and have been pushing it since. This is how it will play out. Haynesworth will be a Redskin until he buys back his contract at a price that is satisfactory to Allen and Snyder.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I learned how to read sarcasm. Possibly San diego who has some d-line issues. We could possibly swap AH and Vince Wilfork who is unhappy in NE

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 16, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse
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Doesn't NE run a 3-4 defense? I could be wrong...

On this subject, part of me wants to keep Fat Al on the roster just to spite him, sort of a figurative middle finger, if you will, and part of me wants to keep him until we get some really good trade offer. Unfortunately, I don't think a really great trade offer is going to come. The realist in me keeps saying to just trade me for whatever we can get and be done with him. It does seem awful that he's basically stealing at least $21 million, but the only one who should be offended by that is Dan Snyder. I don't really care about how much money someone makes since I'm not paying the bill (at least directly), especially in an uncapped year - I only care about on-the-field performance and the player's effect on the team. So the amount of money Fat Albert steals from The Danny's bank account doesn't so much offend me. It's the almost certain damage he's going to do to team chemistry if he eventually shows up that offends me. So, Redskins, please trade him now to whichever team brings the biggest ham sandwich to the table so we can all - team and fans - move on from this latest, worst, and hopeful last, horrible free agent signing.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 16, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

We can blame the 'organisation' for this 'cos they made the mistake (which many observers said it was at the time, not just with hindsight) of signing him in the first place,
BUT the new regime is blameless and is left to deal with the fallout of Snyderatto's deals.

It pretty much goes without saying (though I'm going to anyway), but there is of course always an element for any new front office and/or coaching staff of needing to deal for a year, two years, three years with the hand played by your predecessors: 'corporate culture', personnel, schemes etc,

However given the way the team had been run by Snyderatto for a decade it always had the potential to be worse for Shanallen and the 'Skins than the norm, bringing professionalism and discipline to a dsyfunctional, undisciplined franchise.

What I fear may have the poisonous potential to end up defining the Shanallen regime is how they now deal with the 'elephant outside the room' that the previous regime left them.

I doubt any of us have any hope other than it works out as best as it can for the Redskins. And at the very least presumably we can all agree how it plays out will be interesting to watch?

As Ray would say, HTTR!

Posted by: craig81 | June 16, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Funk:

You officially owe me a new keyboard, and some more coffee.

Posted by: GoTeamGoTeamGooooooTeamYay | June 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse


Put it on my tab...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't blame Haynesworth one bit. He is a unique talent, another Reggie White."

Please don't compare him to Reggie White.

White played EVERY position on the D-Line and is one of the BEST Dl-men who EVER played the game.

Fat Al is NOT Reggie White. He's a fat headed fool who should just do his job and stop whining about it.

Send him to Iraq and let him hang out there for a bit and I bet his mood will change.

Al is clueless.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 16, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

think he has no desire to play football anymore after winning the lotto. He lied the whole time, from saying he doesn't want to be a distraction to saying he was training on his own. He was stalling. Who's to say that if they kept a 4-3 he wouldn't of found some other excuse not to show up?

Posted by: ga8085 | June 16, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abus
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I agree he had already had problems with blatche, it didn't matter what D we were palying he was going to be a malcontent anyway. If you allow this than TO was right to holla at all his QB's for not getting him the ball. The players have to play within the system until you are in position to request atrade or get to free agency. He knew we were switching to the 3-4 in late January to early February they talked to him (though he didn't like it) soon after with there plans. He should have requested a trade before he cashed that check on april 1st, but he had to cash that check cause Checkers had their 2 for $5 and 2 for $4 specials pumping at that time. A lot could have happened before he got that money by restructuring that contract for a new team if he wanted the trade that bad. He just wanted to get that money in april and roll soon after.

Posted by: Hackersk | June 16, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:58 AM

I see why you no longer practice law. You give off the cuff crappy advice and you switch sides faster than a Frenchman.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse


???

That description would make me one of the most successful lawyers out there!

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

BG...wow...where did i say skins arent honoring contract....i am saying they were wrong for signing him and had ample evidence that this kind of crappe was probable...

also i clearly stated that i side with the mike & bruce on the particulars of last 4-6 months....but to excuse the skins of essentially getting what they overpaid for is dim.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 16, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

CL, I think Shanahan made it clear to Haynesworth when they met that he would be playing NT. That has to be the case considering the only other real NT on the team is a 350 lb 31 y-o coming off of an Achilles injury. I have to believe he was signed to be a reserve not a starter. I think Chopper explains the situation best above.

Posted by: learnedhand1

I saw an interview with Haslet in which he stated they never told Albert he would be playing NT - and that they planned to move him around.

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 16, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Yeah i was just talking monetarily. Unless we can work something out with him or get an adequate return for him in a trade, then at that point we hold his fate. Sit him for his contract his name is out of the media he falls out of the limelight, which he seems to thrive on. That would be a proper punishment for not wanting to play, end his career in a most undesirable fashion, completely disgraced.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least Cerrato really went out with a bang!

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Friend2All

is this, could this be "League-Source"??????

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Stu, considering all the blathering you just did was in no way, shape, or form my actual position I'm just going to assume you're a simpleton. So I'll try and make this simple for you.

If you think that a guy who refuses to work with the team, buy into the new team philosophy, or even give the new defense a try is somehow going to help more than a guy who has been here for every practice and is giving his 100% effort, then YOU are the reh-tard. No post with me saying that Holliday or Daniels or Kemo being better or more talented than AH exists because I never said it. I said that the line we have now is good enough to roll into Week 1 2010 (if healthy) without thinking the sky is falling.

But go ahead and talk unicorns and ogres and whatever else comes into your fantasy world.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 16, 2010 10:07 AM

Move him around where? From DT to...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 16, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Originally posted by Stu27:"Unfortunately there is no breach of contract for this fat@ss..."

I don't disagree with this statement or the rest of the post....

...what I'm saying (half-jokingly) is that Buttertub may actually have the brass balls to sue the 'Skins for BoC in an attempt to keep ALL of the money he has already stolen. The main article's description of all the "wrongs" done unto him by 'Skins coaches & management practically reads like his civil suit complaint.

Not saying he'd win but he'd probably try as a tool to negotiate the lowest possible buyout. He's a POS....a poor excuse for a human being who never should have been brought here in the first place.

But then again, the owner is a POS & a poor excuse for a human being as well. Like attracts like, I suppose....

Jeff George, Neon Dion, Jerimiah Trotter, Buttertub. The beat goes on.....

Posted by: clb_in_md | June 16, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least Cerrato really went out with a bang!

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse
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The gift that keeps on giving!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what kind of muffin-head Chad Speck is, but if his client really wanted a trade, then this is the worst way to go about it.

All this does is diminish AH's value. Potential trading partners are going to lowball the Skins b/c of this situation, and it's going to make it harder for the Skins to move him.

It seems the best way to go about this would be to show up to camp with your agent. Put on a happy smiley face and act like everyone is getting along, with a mutual understanding that while my guy is going to be a good citizen, you are going to do everything you can to trade him.

But I don't think thoughtfulness is AH's strength...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Sure, during all of this Danny will have to pay out cash to him as well. But in return, Danny can take the rest of his playing career away from him.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

And he should. Really, if Snyder wants to exist in life as an owner in good standing in the NFL he must do this. Or sell the team!

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 16, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Adam Shefter is saying the Skins are more likely to go after Fat Al's money than they are to trade him. Considering he was a FA pickup and not a trade acquisition, I would tend to think that's the way to go. Plus it's pretty obvious that's the best way to get back at AH...all he cares about is the money AND you screw him out the trade he's requesting. I hate the mess around it, but it might be what we end up seeing here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"not only am I playing some NT, but will be expected to drop back into coverage in this thing you call Zone-Blitz?! No way to much responsibility, they brought me here to rush the passer in a traditional 4-3." If they find out how out of shape I am Shanny's going to MAD. "TRADE ME" so I can retire.

Posted by: sthai75 | June 16, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Can we get Micheal Westbrook on a 1 day contract to kick the crap out of AH?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Why blame Albert? Who told him he would have the ability to do what he wanted? Who told him he was special and would be treated accordingly?

Management.

Don't blame Albert for taking the money. Blame the guys who did the deal.

Snyder strikes again.

Posted by: keithrjackson | June 16, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm not upset with Haynesworth. Not one Skins fan or player should be upset with Haynesworth. Albert Haynesworth is only behaving as he's always behaved. A petulant crybaby with an overgrown sense of self worth. Someone who has never been a team player. So don't blame a zebra for his stripes.

Blame the moron who paid $41 million gauranteed to get Haynesworth to come to Washington. Blame the idiot who continues to play fantasy football year in, year out and produces nothing worthwhile.

Once again when Dan Snyder plays fantasy football with the hard earned money from Skins fans it's the fans who get screwed. The Skins fortunes won't change with Shanny and Allen anymore than they changed with Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs, or Zorn. The same moron is still steering this ship into an iceberg.

Posted by: kmp1 | June 16, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Bynum's knee is troublesome, but I think Kobe will obviously be very motivated and ready, and enough others will be shamed into/motivated enough/simply better because they're home to take game 6

Chief, ain't no amount of shame, motivation, or being better is gonna fix that knee at this point.

1 rebound in the last game. Grimacing after landing on it. I say he's done early tonight, and that will completely change the outcome of the game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 3:43 PM |

The words of a peerless soothsayer about game 6. Pray tell, all-knowing all-seeing one, what does your sooth say about game 7?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Can we get Micheal Westbrook on a 1 day contract to kick the crap out of AH?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


So long as AH is on crutches...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

So it turns out that HAYNESWORTH is not "Moneysworth", but the lump of shyt that scraped a DALLAS player's face with his cleats. Talk about entitlement gone wild. How do you trade this liability because I'm sure that's already been passed through the league?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 16, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what kind of muffin-head Chad Speck is, but if his client really wanted a trade, then this is the worst way to go about it.

All this does is diminish AH's value. Potential trading partners are going to lowball the Skins b/c of this situation, and it's going to make it harder for the Skins to move him.

It seems the best way to go about this would be to show up to camp with your agent. Put on a happy smiley face and act like everyone is getting along, with a mutual understanding that while my guy is going to be a good citizen, you are going to do everything you can to trade him.

But I don't think thoughtfulness is AH's strength...

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:13 AM

I heard Casserly last night and he suggested that when a player does what AH has done, usually the agent has had discussions with another team/teams and knows their parameter. Consequentially, this move by AH will have little effect on his current trade value. This is a leverage play by AH to force the skins to accept what those teams have on the table. The trump card to be played by AH, Casserly said, would be publicly blast Snyder in some manner, hoping Snyder would react to those statements.

Posted by: TWISI | June 16, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Part of me wants to stick to the hardball game and force Haynesworth's hand to play for the Redskins, whether that be in a reserve NT role or not.

Another part of me wishes Snyder says "Eff you" and trades Haynesworth to another, preferably sh**ier, 3-4 team for a ham sandwich (Cleveland?).

And no part of me wants to give in to Haynesworth, unless it's for a 1st round pick + change. Tell his agent Speck that's our demands and to go get it done if that's what he wants out of this situation.

The new-look Redskins D isn't what you would have gone after last year on the FA market? Ok, fine -- give back the $32 million you collected over the last year, and you can go look for a team that suits your needs again. Good luck finding another team willing to give you a $100 million contract.

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Broken promises Albert? Lies? You fat piece of dirt- when you sign the contract and take the money, you are promising to play your best all the time, not just when you feel like it. Lies, Al? You said in your intro presser you wanted to be great. The best that has ever played? You have done none of the above.

Hint: Give back the money. I think they'll let you walk then. Until then, sit at home and keep chunking doughnuts you terd.

Posted by: Allan2 | June 16, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"I don't blame Haynesworth one bit. He is a unique talent, another Reggie White. Reggie White was allowed to play his game and remained an all pro until he was almost eligible for social security. Snyder promised Haynesworth he would be able to play his game in DC forever which would have made him an annual All Pro DT, earn more lucrative contracts in the future, and be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Shanahan's scheme is a ticket to oblivion, a wealthy oblivion to be sure, but for some athletes, fame is more important than fortune.

So find Albert a new home and hopefully get something of value in return. Snyder again looks like a fool but what else is new. Let the season begin."

Posted by: Chopper

Sir, Reggie White at least had the good sense to consult with God before choosing which team to sign with. Albert chose to consult with a stripper.

Albert Haynesworth is no Reggie White.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 16, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

You all are reading way too much into this. Why take Fat Albert's words at face value? I think its FAR FAR more likely the guy has ballooned to 390 pounds, and just doesn't want anyone to know. This is his way of trying to weasel his way out of it. Bottom line, he just wants to sit on his a$$ and take money he didn't earn.

Posted by: ndickover | June 16, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"... everyone seems to think we live Ohio or Iowa."


Be truthful.

You've laid a trail of posted cowpies with Idaho listed as the where you be.

You're blogging from a cubicle in the WaPo building like a lot of the other low-flying drones in this forum.

Does your beef come with artificial flavoring?

I'd say so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Does the LaVar case have any relevance here? Didn't the dud give $$$ back to Snyder to gain his freedom? Of course LaVar was much more the diplomat than this turkey AH.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It gets even worse folks. ESPN just said His Fatness has collected $31mil so far and had 4 sacks and 37 tackles last year. That's a cool $7.75mil per sack and $840,000 per tackle. This situation has become a total disaster and I'm afraid can't be salvaged. Let's cut the cancer out now, keep the extra $10 the Fat A-s was guaranteed, and move on as a team.

Posted by: bones21 | June 16, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What a self-centered and selfish human being. This merely adds to a track record of what appears to be a bad person through and through. Haynesworth obviously has no desire whatsoever of winning and would much prefer the same old stagnation and mediocrity. He would have loved one more year under a powerless Zorn.

How long has he been playing? Does he not recognize that a football team is a well-oiled machine or is it just one slick gear? Losers beget losing, and Haynesworth is propagating this theme with his selfishness. Either cut him loose and minimize losses or end this jabb's pro career by relegating him to the bench for the rest of his time here.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | June 16, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I heard Casserly last night and he suggested that when a player does what AH has done, usually the agent has had discussions with another team/teams and knows their parameter. Consequentially, this move by AH will have little effect on his current trade value. This is a leverage play by AH to force the skins to accept what those teams have on the table. The trump card to be played by AH, Casserly said, would be publicly blast Snyder in some manner, hoping Snyder would react to those statements.

Posted by: TWISI | June 16, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse


Obviously, Casserly knows more than me about how these things work, but that description raises some issues.

AH is under contract with the Skins. If the agent has been having discussions with other teams (and the Skins have not allowed those discussions), then I'm pretty sure that's a textbook case of "tampering".

If so, I doubt the Skins are going to roll over and let themselves get shafted in a deal after AH has taken $40 million from them and broken tampering rules to force a trade all at the same time.

Again. I wouldn't trust Danny to drive my kids to the park. But the one thing I can trust Danny in is this: The man is a ruthless heartless bare-knuckle business brawler.

If AH/Chad Speck are trying to go toe-to-toe with him in the game of hardball-dealing, I don't think they could have picked a worse adversary.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The threat to use "claw back" on AH to retrieve some of the coin that has gone his way may make him come to his senses. There is a long line of duds with their hands out on his door step:

1. Accident victim
2. Ex wife
3. Paternity suit chick
4. Toy salesmen (Ferraris, power boats, etc.)

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

BIG thumbs up to all the dolts that purchased BIG #92 jerseys last year.

I can't wait to see what they get for him via trade.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 16, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Let this fat tub of lard sit on the bench. Isolate him from the team. To the extent it is possible humiliate him. of course he has no concsience.

Posted by: chopin224 | June 16, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"He is a unique talent, another Reggie White."

Posted by: Chopper

Have read some dumb things on this blog before, but this one takes the cake.

Posted by: bones21 | June 16, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The Skins will definitely "try to" go after the bonus money and release him. Haynesworth has destroyed his trade value. However, I'd play hardball and keep him through training camp; then make him come in for a physical. When he fails the physical the Skins can put him on the PUP list for 6 months before cutting him...

Posted by: siris | June 16, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Sir, Reggie White at least had the good sense to consult with God before choosing which team to sign with. Albert chose to consult with a stripper.

Albert Haynesworth is no Reggie White.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 16, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse


Reggie White is one of the all-time greats. The man went to the frozen wasteland of Green Bay, played his guts out (thanks St. Joe) and helped deliver a SB.

We gave AH $100 million and he's pouting at home.

The only time AH and Reggie White should be mentioned in the same thought is when you are drawing the 2 extreme ends of the football player spectrum with "AH/turd of a human being" on one end and "Reggie White/ideal football player and teammate" on the other.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2010 10:27 AM

mol moe...

worked in a cubicle for a single year (1993-1994), and vowed never to do so again.

did participate in the DC herd commute for eight years, although the destination was decidedly not a cubicle.

the rest of my work life has been boats, laboratories, greenhouses, crunching numbers in the home office, or tromping around in the field.

Idaho is pretty amazing... if you're ever in the area, let's hop on some snowmobiles and head to Burgdorf hot springs.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Let this fat tub of lard sit on the bench. Isolate him from the team. To the extent it is possible humiliate him. of course he has no concsience.

Posted by: chopin224 | June 16, 2010 10:37 AM

Friend, this is not an option. If he sits on the bench, you have to pay him. He's already isolated himself from the team. He's already humiliated himself. There really is only one reasonable option: to negotiate with him to return a big chunk of money and then to release him.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

If AH/Chad Speck are trying to go toe-to-toe with him in the game of hardball-dealing, I don't think they could have picked a worse adversary.

Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:33 AM

I agree that Snyder will knuckle up. One point however, let's not pretend that tampering goes on all the time in the NFL. The Skins tampered with AH last offseason...so did Tampa, NY and any other team that was in the hunt for his services. The devil is in proving tampering. Again, I think Danny will play hardball, hold out for some of his cash back. If Hanynesworth boycotts training camp I have no doubt the team will suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team and then try to reclaim some of the $21 million they just gave him.

Posted by: TWISI | June 16, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I can see the poles are no better for Cindy's departure...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 16, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

No seriously the more I think about this the more I am coming round the idea that this is the best thing that's happened to the Washington Redskins since Casserly went out and got Brad Johnson.

Redskins should give serious consideration to having Allen or Shanallen hold a press conference today to say that the asking price for a player of AH caliber is very high, and that their plan in the absence of a GREAT DEAL (spell it out) is to have Albert in DC for the duration of the contract that he signed. Put a big fat marker down for the whole world to see. What's Haynesworth going to say? He's shot his wad, and people are gonna lose interest in this idiot real fast.

This is a rebuilding year. Let this watershed moment play out the way it should and good things could finally start to happen here.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 16, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth arguably is the most talented player on the roster..."

Arguably at best.

Posted by: DurhamBully | June 16, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

_________________________________

Who's worth more wins McNabb or Haynesworth?? It's not even close...

Without a good deal, I hope Haynesworth stays out as long as possible (4th game ??) ... then has to report, but due to his big FAT NEGATIVE attitude... the Redskins suspend him with pay for the entire season similar to the Keyshawn Johnson situation... F Fat Albert Haynesworthless.

Posted by: tony325 | June 16, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

amazed that nobody has linked to this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WT-fxBNKs8

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Only in Albert Haynesworth's world do you get to cash checks for 20 mil. then talk about feeling betrayed.

If he's traded, I give him a year before he wants to renegotiate his contract.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 16, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Loosk to me like this guy Speck pretty much just reps UT kids, Eric Berry signed with him. If anything i hope this dude never gets a client call from the skins ever again.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 16, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't think all the blame for this mess should be put on Snyder. Sure, he made a mistake signing Fat AL for all that money, but it was Snyders passion for trying to put together a winning team that overwealmed his good judgement.
There is always a team out there that will be willing to take some disgruntled star. Al will not be a Redskin for very much longer.

Posted by: diamond_jim | June 16, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Mike Wise this one: "...focus on people who show up for their teammates, who have been doing the work, learning new schemes and vowing 4-12 never again."

The coaching staff and players have other, bigger better things to focus on.

The Dude ain't here, ain't coming and certainly ain't worth the bother.

It's a matter now for the lawyers and accountants, who probably should have been looking for some off-ramps for AH92's contract long ago... rather than trying sue little old ladies for failing to renew their deceased husband's season tickets.

F Haynesworth.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 16, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

When he fails the physical the Skins can put him on the PUP list for 6 months before cutting him...

Posted by: siris | June 16, 2010 10:38 AM

Friend, this is not an option. That gives him six months pay for no days' work. The idea is to stop paying him.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 16, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Idaho is pretty amazing... if you're ever in the area, let's hop on some snowmobiles and head to Burgdorf hot springs.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 10:40 AM |

Or let's visit lawless Bonner county on the border with Canada and trade knee-slapper anti semitic jokes with the Aryan Nation militia.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The Skins will definitely "try to" go after the bonus money and release him. Haynesworth has destroyed his trade value. However, I'd play hardball and keep him through training camp; then make him come in for a physical. When he fails the physical the Skins can put him on the PUP list for 6 months before cutting him...

Posted by: siris

Agreed on the strategery,,,SUE THE BLOODY BASTARD!!!

Posted by: frak | June 16, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

str8, thats right, Al is the victim here.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Good reading up here, y'all are en fuego this morning.


The Haynesworth resolution is simple, or at least in my mind:


Get the money back you invested in this fat lard of pancake batter. It's obvious that he only cares about his pockets, so that's where you hit him at... Like straight BUST them joints. Fine him as much as possible, peddle out as much propaganda you can about his ass -- I'm talkin some total character assination sh*t! What would be nice is if his "teammates" gave some comments about him on record. If I were Dan Snyder and his media team, I'd be seeking that stripper he knocked up for that exclusive!

Then once they feel they've made a substantial amount back of what they invested ('cause he damn sure didn't earn) or when they get tired of waterboarding him then trade his fat sorry ass to whatever team that's stupid enough to take him.


What pisses me off about this whole thing is that he waits until NOW to pull this sh*t! The time they need to be focused on football they'll instead be answering questions about a sorry lazy ass piece of sh*t who isn't even there.


Fu_k Haynesworth and the down syndrome face donkey -- Vinny Cerrato -- he rode in on!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 10:50 AM

don't need to go so far north... scum like that are rampant all over the panhandle.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Kill his career. When and if he reports make him the highest paid, fatest waterboy in league history for the duration of his contract.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | June 16, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The only thing AH and Reggie White have in common is the number 92.

Only in America would such a blatantly stupid comment be met with anything less than the swift removal of the speaker's tongue. Next we'll get some CP/Walter Payton comparison...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

You guys are missing an opportunity here...why not take Haynesworth out on one of his boats, toss him overboard, and shove is fat, lazy behind into the hole in the gulf to plug up the leak?

No more oil spewing out, and no mare Haynesworth here spewing venom.

BP & the fed G's would probably pay Snyder handsomely for it too.

Always looking for the bright side...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | June 16, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Here are a list of teams that run the 4-3 Base Defense:

1)New York Giants
2)Philly Eagles
3)San Fransico 49ers
4)St. Louis Rams
5)Kansas City Chiefs
6)Chicago Bears
7)Detroit Lions
8)Minnesota Vikings
9)Atlanta Falcons
10)Carolina Panthers
11)N.O Saints
12)Tampa Bucs
13)Tennessee Titans
14)Notable Un-mention:Oakland Raiders (they are in the process of switching to a 3-4.) Plus they signed John Henderson

So these are all the possible teams for Haynsworth, however, out of the 14 only 2 teams would probably trade for him. That being the Tennesse Titans and maybe the Panthers. But even those two may not want him. The Titans have had so many distractions they wouldn't want another.

None of those teams have a WR that would be good for a trade. Becuase, I don't want Haynsworth Traded unless we get something that can help us now, or a 1st or 2nd rounder.

The Raiders just signed John Henderson, they have there D Tackle. They won't want Haynsworth.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 16, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"On this subject, part of me wants to keep Fat Al on the roster just to spite him, sort of a figurative middle finger, if you will, and part of me wants to keep him until we get some really good trade offer. Unfortunately, I don't think a really great trade offer is going to come. The realist in me keeps saying to just trade me for whatever we can...."

Posted by: skinsfan713
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yeah... i'm all over the place too. it's like the stages of grief:

1. Denial – i thought: "surely that post about albert not coming back is a mistake"

2. Anger – "let the f-ing bastage rot on the bench - that'll show him!

3. Bargaining – "maybe if we didn't change back to a 4-3, or maybe if we leave a trail of pizzas btwn his house and redskins park, he'll change his mind."

4. Depression – "man...this sucks...it was going to be so good with him here causing havoc....now...he was the best player on the team....man this sucks....woe is me..."

5. Acceptance – "well, we had a pretty good D before he got here...we still have daniels...and kemoeatu...and our linebackers are pretty good...maybe we can trade him and get a stud O-lineman...or just get whatever we can for him."

so, i'm all over the place...but i keep coming back to anger....

in that spirit, i hope p1funk is right when he says, " I wouldn't trust Danny to drive my kids to the park. But the one thing I can trust Danny in is this: The man is a ruthless heartless bare-knuckle business brawler....If AH/Chad Speck are trying to go toe-to-toe with him in the game of hardball-dealing, I don't think they could have picked a worse adversary."

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 16, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I seem to recall a lot of teams successfully going after the bonus money of players who have been either traded or retired. Can someone who understands how that works explain whether it would be possible to recoup some of Big Al's money? Isn't his bonus tied in some way to the number of years on his contract? If he refuses to play, can the 'Skins try to get some of that back? I'm thinking of how the Dolphins went after Ricky Williams' bonus when he "retired" a few years back.

Posted by: Ootek | June 16, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Albert is a monster and a hell of a player when he wants to be. I want him on the field.

But I say if he doesn't want to play here, he doesn't get to play anywhere.

Let him sit at home and make payments on his boat, wrongful death settlement, alimony and child support until the money he bilked the skins out of drys up.

And it will.

Let the other teams who want to low ball us with trade offers watch him sit at home and collect dust.

In short, F Albert.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

You guys are missing an opportunity here...why not take Haynesworth out on one of his boats, toss him overboard, and shove is fat, lazy behind into the hole in the gulf to plug up the leak?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | June 16, 2010 10:53 AM


Funny thing is, I just suggest to the Mrs last night that we do the same thing with Rosie O'Donnell.

Sorry Mr. Trump, but Rosie's off the hook today. Hayney and all the #92 Redskins jerseys will take it from here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

To Haynesworth...I am sorely disappointed in you, your talent, your honesty, your intellect, and your character. You have disgraced the Redskins, and you need to go. Just go.

To Snyder...I am a lifelong Redskins fan. I am 6'7" and 308 pounds. I will step into Haynesworths spot and bleed for my team...and all for only a third of what he demanded in pay.

Call me!

Posted by: httr20081 | June 16, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"I don't blame Haynesworth one bit. He is a unique talent, another Reggie White."

I don't care that you side with Haynesworth although I disagree with the fact that he doesn't deserve blame 1,000 times over.

Haynesworth - 80%
'Skins Management - 20%

But please. Don't ever, EVER use Haynesworth and Reggie White in the same sentence unless you're pointing out what a low-level scumbag Haynesworth is when comparing him to Reggie White.


Haynesworth couldn't carry Reggie White's bible.


Haynesworth has never, isn't, and never will be Reggie White.


It's like trying to equate a genocide pimping dictator to a Mother Teresa

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

amazed that nobody has linked to this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WT-fxBNKs8

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey Moo,

I'm surprised no one has linked to THIS yet. Fat Albert may have found his home, at the bottom of the Gulf.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 16, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Haynsworth is no Reggie White. Reggie played every position on the D line without a problem. He played any scheme without a problem. I didn't matter how or where he lined up, he was always Dominate. I think its simple. Albert is not good enough to learn different systems. He has been in a 4-3 all his life. Everyone allowed him to do what he wanted to do. He won't have that kind of freedom...This defense is too complex for him, and he is not intellegent or (UN)Lazy enough to learn it. If he was not lazy and put his mind to it, he could play Right End, or Nose Tackle and dominate. He said he wants to be a HOF'er, what is wrong with being the Best Nose Tackle in the League. Becuase he may be "One" of the best D Tackles in the league, but there would be no question that he would be the very best Nose Tackle or Right End in a 3-4 scheme.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 16, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Love what you're doing rocco, but the Niners and Chiefs are clearly running 3-4 defenses.

The more I look at the list of actual 4-3 teams, the less I think he's getting traded (barring injury). Seems to me a return to Tennessee is the best bet and they won't give up the kinda picks we want to get it done.

Go getcha money, Dan. You got us in this mess, now get us out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

To Snyder...I am a lifelong Redskins fan. I am 6'7" and 308 pounds. I will step into Haynesworths spot and bleed for my team...and all for only a third of what he demanded in pay.

Call me!

Posted by: httr20081 | June 16, 2010 11:00 AM

What's your 40 time?

Posted by: bones21 | June 16, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 16, 2010 11:02 AM

MOL!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if the team will be able to practice outside today. It's raining cats and dogs in Betheda.

Posted by: TWISI | June 16, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

What's your 40 time?

Posted by: bones21 | June 16, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse
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What's drinking Malt Liquor have to do with it?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What an effing jerk. Let him rot at home and fine him the max possible.

Posted by: skinswest | June 16, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins do not have to trade Albert and I hope they don't unless someone is dumb enough to give up a first.

If the Skins refuse to trade this P.O.S. and he refuses to play, then he doesn't get paid for the remainder of his contract. Let him rot.

Posted by: nativedc | June 16, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The Skins overpaid Haynesworth big time and are getting burned. We've seen this play many times before. Why overanalyze?

Jason Taylor, Arche Deluxe, BLloyd... there's always another team's disgruntled superstar whose ready to cash a Snyder check.

Dan Snyder = Al Davis

You say Jamarcus, I say Haynesworth..

Posted by: Alan4 | June 16, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

To Snyder...I am a lifelong Redskins fan. I am 6'7" and 308 pounds. I will step into Haynesworths spot and bleed for my team...and all for only a third of what he demanded in pay.

Call me!

Posted by: httr20081 | June 16, 2010 11:00 AM


If you get that call and it's DS instead of Bruce Allen on the line, we've got much bigger problems than AH...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Well count me in with the folks eating crow this morning. JRied, you have my sincerest apologies; you were right. What a worthless turd. I just don’t see how there can be any sort of trade value for the guy. At least they didn’t actually give up anything when they signed him (except money).

Did anyone else catch this in the statement that AH released through his agent?

"When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future.”

Maybe I am misremembering here, but I thought that they signed him like 2 hours into the signing period……and that they did not “tamper” with him.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 16, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen should sit Haynesworth and/or his agent down............

and say..........

You'll play for us or you'll find us a suitable trade partner that will give us what we want in compensation AND you will pay back a good portion of the $21m in roster bonus you received in good faith on April 1................

........failing that you''ll be sitting on your ass and won't be able to play again (and earn money) until your contract with the Redskins expires and be fined for every mandatory activity you miss.

No negotiations will be entered into.

End of discussion.

Posted by: PCinOz | June 16, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

To Snyder...I am a lifelong Redskins fan. I am 6'7" and 308 pounds. I will step into Haynesworths spot and bleed for my team...and all for only a third of what he demanded in pay.

Call me!

Posted by: httr20081 | June 16, 2010 11:00 AM

What's your 40 time?

Posted by: bones21 | June 16, 2010 11:04 AM

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Who cares about 40 time?!?!? Buttertub couldn't run 40 yards if his LIFE depended on it!!!

What's your shuttle time & how much can you bench press? Head on over to Asburn, lttr. What's one more piece of training camp cannon fodder at this point....

Posted by: clb_in_md | June 16, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

AH is under contract with the Skins. If the agent has been having discussions with other teams (and the Skins have not allowed those discussions), then I'm pretty sure that's a textbook case of "tampering".

If so, I doubt the Skins are going to roll over and let themselves get shafted in a deal after AH has taken $40 million from them and broken tampering rules to force a trade all at the same time.
Posted by: p1funk | June 16, 2010 10:33 AM
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Oh irony! The Redskins are going to get in a huff about tampering with a player they tampered with in the first place? Rich.

I agree that the front office is not going to be railroaded into this. Haynesworth has some leverage here, but he doesn't have all of the leverage.

-The team could threaten legal action.

-The team could threaten to keep him forever and fine him until he reports. If he ultimately does report the team could claim that they are moving him to defensive back and make him run wind sprints all day (not enough oxygen in all of the DMV if that happens).

-The team could ignore him. They could not respond to a single question about AH, refuse to talk to his agent, and continue to fine him for not appearing. The team could do this until he reported - even if it was in the middle of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

here's some more detail, straight from the horse's mouth in his "official" statement to Comcast SportsNet last night:

``When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future,'' Haynesworth's statement said. ``After many years in the NFL, I know what it takes for me to perform at my highest level. My number one goal has always been to help my team win - period."

``It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths. I will continue to work individually to prepare for training camp and the start of the 2010 season.''

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20100615/Redskins-Haynesworth/

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 16, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

My number one goal has always been to help my team win - period."


Just not last year, when you showed up fat, and out of shape....complete pos....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

There are always stories in the news at this time of year about disgruntled dudes like Darrelle Revis who don't report to mandatory training activities because they are (in their own minds) vastly underpaid. How often do you hear about duds like AH who are vastly overpaid and refuse to report? It's like a man-bites-dog story.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

brown, bingo, you can't spin this...in any way....The team did NOTHING to deserve this treatment, from this pos...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

This absolutely 100% the teams fault. The blame lies entirely with Snyder/Cerrato and even the new regime. Here is why?

1. You do your due diligence on a player before signing him to a Huge contract. Even more so when he is not your free agent.
2. As a team you need to establish an identity that transcends coaches and players. The front office needs to bring in players that play a certain style of football that the organization is committed to 100%.
3. Haslett has as much experience coaching the 4-3 as he does the 3-4. He could have stuck with the 4-3 for a year or used a hybrid approach.
4. Signing a shiny new toy without completely understanding how they fit from a football perspective always results in disaster.
5. If you are going to come in to an organization and make wholesale changes to scheme irregardless of personnel you are going to have fall out.


This is why I still think the organization is rudderless. On one hand they bring in a coach who switches all the schemes even if they do not have the personnel which makes you think rebuild. On the other hand you are trading draft picks for a QB coming to the end of his career.

The defense without AH is average at best. There is not an above average player for the 3-4 in the front 3. Fletcher is small for a 3-4 and especially if they don't have AH upfront. Orakpo is the only player that transitions well to the 3-4.

Hello 6 win season.

If they wanted to win now they should have implemented a defense that took advantage of current personnel and slowly transitioned to the preferred 3-4.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Love what you're doing rocco, but the Niners and Chiefs are clearly running 3-4 defenses.

The more I look at the list of actual 4-3 teams, the less I think he's getting traded (barring injury). Seems to me a return to Tennessee is the best bet and they won't give up the kinda picks we want to get it done.

Go getcha money, Dan. You got us in this mess, now get us out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 11:04 AM |
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Your Right, I was going down the list of all 32 teams and trying to single out the 4-3's from off the top of my head. The 4-3 defense is becoming extinct in the NFL, do to the league turning into a Passing League. If Albert can't adjust to different schemes, he will not be in the NFL for Long. The Skins should not trade him, and even if they did, I just can't not find a team that would want him. Bruce Allen and Shanny has this guy by the belly. They can make him sit, and ban him from Fed Ex Field.

Maybe someone has an injury in the middle of the season and is desprate for Albert and gives up a high draft pick. Becuase thats we need to do. Trading him now shows desprateness on our side. If we fine him, make him sit, or whatever, someone may get desprate during the season.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if we'll see AH doing sit-ups and working on his fitness in his driveway while he complains to the media.

Bottom-line: AH is colossal P.O.S. and never even spoke to Shanny/Allen about his role in the 3-4. He's essentially only owed approx 16 million for the next 3 years, so if the right deal (at least a 3rd/out of division) isn't there, I'd rob him of his prime and hold on to him for the next 3 years.

F AH
F Vinny

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 16, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I am misremembering here, but I thought that they signed him like 2 hours into the signing period……and that they did not “tamper” with him.
Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 16, 2010 11:14 AM

To elaborate a little bit here, I think AH and his agent might be letting the skins FO know that they haven’t forgotten how they had a deal done well before the free agent period officially started, and that they would be willing to let the league know about it. See how many draft picks Goodell might take away. Or maybe they will just forget if ever happened if all this “recouping money” talk goes away……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 16, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I didn't really want Fat Albert gone.

However on getting him to pay back what he owes I fear it wont happen.

We all saw how the LaVar Arrington issue went and he could play.

Personally its more than this years signing bonus. I would want that money back and the original bonus given for signing the contract. Yes the Redskins should go after that too. The Redskins didn't give Fat Al that initial money for a one year deal.

Sadly my bet no team would offer the Redskins more than a 6th round pick for this whiner.

I wonder what the bet is that the Redskins let the bum keep the money and walk away with nothing.......

Posted by: Brian429 | June 16, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

-The team could ignore him. They could not respond to a single question about AH, refuse to talk to his agent, and continue to fine him for not appearing. The team could do this until he reported - even if it was in the middle of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's right. And they shouldn't respond to any media questions about AH -- after they hold a press conference to say what their price is for trading him, that is. No comment about what Shanahan or Haslett said to him; no comment about what Snyder or Cerrato said to him. Nuthin' to talk about 'cept what's in the contract. And the asking price for a trade should always remain the same. Whether he shows up for practice or not. Just say no comment.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 16, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Lest we forget, if we're going to be listing Reggie White's considerable gifts, the man was a tremendous public speaker, especially on the topic of intercultural tolerance and sensitivity.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 16, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

See how many draft picks Goodell might take away. Or maybe they will just forget if ever happened if all this “recouping money” talk goes away……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 16, 2010 11:23 AM |

It is hard to take away draft picks because of a wink and a nod. And that is probably all there was.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | June 16, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

My number one goal has always been to help my team win - period."


Just not last year, when you showed up fat, and out of shape....complete pos....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM
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Did you read all of that? Allen screwed up when said he expected Haynesworth to "be here and be in shape". Haynesworth heard the "be in shape" part and pretty much thought he needed to stay away. I mean, in Big Al's mind, that's what they make oxygen bottles and injury timeouts for, isn't it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"My number one goal has always been to help my team win - period... except when I can't play the way I want to play"

fixed it for ya, Al

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

So I assume there was no physical today?

When does practice start?

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 16, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

-The team could ignore him. They could not respond to a single question about AH, refuse to talk to his agent, and continue to fine him for not appearing. The team could do this until he reported - even if it was in the middle of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's right. And they shouldn't respond to any media questions about AH -- after they hold a press conference to say what their price is for trading him, that is. No comment about what Shanahan or Haslett said to him; no comment about what Snyder or Cerrato said to him. Nuthin' to talk about 'cept what's in the contract. And the asking price for a trade should always remain the same. Whether he shows up for practice or not. Just say no comment.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 16, 2010 11:26 AM
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No, I'm saying don't even acknowledge that he wants a trade. The party line should be "he's udner contract and we're waiting for him to report". This will scare the crappies out of Al - to think he's not going to get his way...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Guys our defense will be just fine without Haynsworth. Before we got Haynsworth we were still a top 10 defense. Haynsworth didn't make us win any more games, we actually reduced our numbers in the win column.

The Skins needed a great pass rusher. The best player on the Redskins Team is Brain Orakpo PERIOD! He made the Pro Bowl. Not Haynsworth. He had 11 sacks, and it wasn't becuase of Haynsworth. The Scheme was changed to fit our best player. That guy is Brian Orakpo. When Bruce Allen was hired, he didn't sing high praise to Haynsworth. The first thing he said was a joke about him being the guy who Drafted Orakpo.

Maake Kemotu will be fine. Carriker will be good. Daniels or whoever fills in at Right End will be fine. The 3-4 is about pass rushers. Haynsworth would have been one at right end. But either way. Orakpo is our guy. Haynsworth can be a dominate player, he thinks he can be a future HOF'er. But when you think about a guy on the Redskins that has the potentail to be great and a Futer HOF'er the first guy I think of...well maybe Mac5...but other than that the 2nd guy I think of is Orakpo. So stop crying over, him possibly not lining up a Redskin. We will still be a top 5 defense without him. I prefer interceptions and turnovers, than watching this guy bouncing of the feild every other play sucking oxygen.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 16, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The defense without AH is average at best.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 16, 2010 11:21 AM


Hate to break it to ya, but even WITH Haynesworth this defense is average at best.

Change is in the works. Overhaul of the roster, overhaul of the coaching staff, overhaul of the FO. The defensive scheme change is hardly a reason to think Redskins Park is doing "business as usual".

This change isn't just welcomed, it's necessary. Nobody embodies what was wrong with the former regime more than AH and it's only appropriate that he A) prove that assertion correct and B) get ushered out with the rest of the trash.

That's why I've been challenging the "he's the best player we have" crowd all day. If AH were truly this game-changing force, this team wouldn't have been 4-12 last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/06/16/albert-haynesworth-apparently-not-attending-mandatory-sessions/#continued

Decent article from Redskins.com blog regarding "His Fatness's" initial press conference.

I mean, he really walked what he talked, in all seriousness, syke.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 16, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE treat this deadbeat like L. Coles. Don't trade him (unless we get what we want in the trade). Don't answer the phone for him or his agent. Put it out that you'll only talk to them when he shows up to camp, and fine him everyday you can fine him. We own his @$$ for a few more years, and if he wants to play the waiting game, then so be it. Let him sit on the couch, bench, or dump truck, and collect nothing. No more money, and no playing time. Leave him looking like a cartoon character with the dunce cap on. I'm sick of this dude.

Posted by: alwaysactingafool | June 16, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

My first instinct is to punish him for this crap. Keep him until the contract expires.

Thing is who really gets punished him or the guy who looses a roster spot to this POS.

Posted by: Brian429 | June 16, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

GROTFAMF'ingPOS!!!!

Posted by: bones21 | June 16, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Guys our defense will be just fine without Haynsworth. Before we got Haynsworth we were still a top 10 defense. Haynsworth didn't make us win any more games, we actually reduced our numbers in the win column.

The Skins needed a great pass rusher. The best player on the Redskins Team is Brain Orakpo PERIOD! He made the Pro Bowl. Not Haynsworth. He had 11 sacks, and it wasn't becuase of Haynsworth. The Scheme was changed to fit our best player. That guy is Brian Orakpo. When Bruce Allen was hired, he didn't sing high praise to Haynsworth. The first thing he said was a joke about him being the guy who Drafted Orakpo.

Maake Kemotu will be fine. Carriker will be good. Daniels or whoever fills in at Right End will be fine. The 3-4 is about pass rushers. Haynsworth would have been one at right end. But either way. Orakpo is our guy. Haynsworth can be a dominate player, he thinks he can be a future HOF'er. But when you think about a guy on the Redskins that has the potentail to be great and a Futer HOF'er the first guy I think of...well maybe Mac5...but other than that the 2nd guy I think of is Orakpo. So stop crying over, him possibly not lining up a Redskin. We will still be a top 5 defense without him. I prefer interceptions and turnovers, than watching this guy bouncing of the feild every other play sucking oxygen.

Posted by: roccoskins | June 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Well said

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No, I'm saying don't even acknowledge that he wants a trade. The party line should be "he's udner contract and we're waiting for him to report". This will scare the crappies out of Al - to think he's not going to get his way...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Disagree -- the problem with staying quiet about a trade is that it encourages AH and his agent to hold out hope that if he continues to be a pain in the butt, he'll wind up being traded for a 5th round pick or something. He should understand clearly that ain't gonna happen unless another team is dumb enough to give up several high round picks. Saying so publicly makes it as real as it can be made that he won't get his way.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 16, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You know, one thing has me scratching my head here:

How does he even know what kind of organization it has become? How does he know what his role would be on defense?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What's good with all the invalid comparisons or equations?


Dan Snyder = Al Davis

Not even close. Al Davis had a huge hand in shaping the NFL as we know it -- the modern era as they call it. Al Davis may have went a little loony the last 10 years or so, but the man made real contributions to the NFL while the only thing Snyder ever contributed to was contract inflation.


As far as legacy and what they meant to the NFL, Snyder will never come close to doing what Al Davis has done. When the 'skins host more than 1 playoff game and go to their first bowl under Snyder then maybe then I'll put him and Al Davis in the same sentence.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I am loving this. Danny promises Al the world then changes his mind. Now Big Al won't go along with his plan and all the fans start crying. Why? Danny did the same thing with many coaches and players. Danny is just like Tiger. They throw way too much money at a problem and expect it to work. It didn't work on Edlin and it ain't gonna work on Al. Haynesworth should keep his $$ and only show up if they keep their promise and play a 3-4. I love Skins fans misery! RAVENS FOREVER!

Posted by: vamark2 | June 16, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised that people didn't realize the red flags with Fat Albert before he signed with this team. didn't anyone see this coming? I certainly did.

It was Snyder who allowed this contract to be offered to a guy who obviously had some off-the-field issues, and was playing really hard in a contract year. Haynesworth is just stealing Snyder's money. It was Snyder who allowed him to do it.

There was nothing in the contract that protected the Redskins from him doing this, even though there were red flags all over the place. Why? Because of Snyder, that's why.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | June 16, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder can begin to atone for his many sins of overpayment - including the Haynesworth signing - by making an example out of him. The Redskins should just tell this fat, lazy and above-all selfish "athlete" that his contract has six more years to run, and that they expect to hold him to it. At this point, they can also tell him that they have no intention of ever putting him on the football field again. He'll just sit inactive.

Either Haynesworth will get the message and he'll renegotiate his bloated contract so that some other team might be willing, desperate and/or dumb enough to take a chance on him - or for all practical purposes, his career is over. Either way, it will be a very expensive and well-earned lesson for both him and Snyder.

Posted by: BethesdaDad | June 16, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

You know, one thing has me scratching my head here:

How does he even know what kind of organization it has become? How does he know what his role would be on defense?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


Good point he doesn't and he doesn't care. IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM. Their is a me in team and Albert is all about that.

Posted by: Brian429 | June 16, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is an idiot for getting this fat turd. What a pathetic human wasting money, what goes around comes around.

Posted by: mofares | June 16, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Guys our defense will be just fine without Haynsworth. Before we got Haynsworth we were still a top 10 defense. Haynsworth didn't make us win any more games, we actually reduced our numbers in the win column.

The Skins needed a great pass rusher. The best player on the Redskins Team is Brain Orakpo PERIOD! He made the Pro Bowl. Not Haynsworth. He had 11 sacks, and it wasn't becuase of Haynsworth. The Scheme was changed to fit our best player. That guy is Brian Orakpo. When Bruce Allen was hired, he didn't sing high praise to Haynsworth. The first thing he said was a joke about him being the guy who Drafted Orakpo.

Maake Kemotu will be fine. Carriker will be good. Daniels or whoever fills in at Right End will be fine. The 3-4 is about pass rushers. Haynsworth would have been one at right end. But either way. Orakpo is our guy. Haynsworth can be a dominate player, he thinks he can be a future HOF'er. But when you think about a guy on the Redskins that has the potentail to be great and a Futer HOF'er the first guy I think of...well maybe Mac5...but other than that the 2nd guy I think of is Orakpo. So stop crying over, him possibly not lining up a Redskin. We will still be a top 5 defense without him. I prefer interceptions and turnovers, than watching this guy bouncing of the feild every other play sucking oxygen.

Posted by: roccoskins

The Redskins defense was ok but not great in 2008. They were below average in Ints. 13 league average was 20. Below average in sacks. League average was 32. Redskins had 24. Redskins were 30th in the league in turnovers.

Most of the players on the roster are 4-3 guys being asked to learn a new scheme. Orakpo is the only guy that translate well to a 3-4. Carriker was underwhelming in STL and Maake is coming back from a torn Achilles.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 16, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"If I were his teammate, I would ask for a trade. There's no way you can win with a guy like that on your team. I would feel like he's the highest paid player in the NFL, and that he alone is supposed to be at everything before everyone else, and have the most accountability. No disrespect to the player on your team who is getting that much, but a lot of guys would go above and beyond to get a contract like that. Personally, if they were to pay me that much, I would go outside and help set the field up before practice! " - Darnell Docket

Is there any chance we can trade for Dockett? I, as of this point, love this guy.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 16, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, Fat Al's move may be more harmful to the NFL than to just the Redskins.

Not an owner around won't look at that and say we've got to stop paying these jackasses not to play.

Not an agent arount not thinking I can't wait to get that kind of deal for my player.

Not a player around isn't saying I want me a boat like Fat Al's.

I exaggerate of course, but trust me, the big mess the new contract situation was in, just expanded exponentially.

Posted by: TheCork | June 16, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't know Seymour's contract situation with Oakland but this would be a trade of two guys who would fit better in another system. Having Haynesworth around is simply a distraction and he's too selfish a player to be on the roster. It's a huge amount to write off for a guy who played 12 games but maybe Snyder will learn something from this about making promises that can't be backed up.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 16, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't know Seymour's contract situation with Oakland but this would be a trade of two guys who would fit better in another system. Having Haynesworth around is simply a distraction and he's too selfish a player to be on the roster. It's a huge amount to write off for a guy who played 12 games but maybe Snyder will learn something from this about making promises that can't be backed up.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 16, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

If that FAT BASTARD wants out, pay back the cash and he can roll his fat a$$ back to Tennessee!!

I hope that chic he got prego takes him to the cleaners.

I would love to see Seymour here because I think he would love the chance to play for Shanny and a team looking to make some noise. He would reek havoc in the NFC East. Hope we can do something.

Posted by: ajb1094 | June 16, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH IS ONE FAT LAZY BASTARD!

WHAT A WINNER!!!

Posted by: ecartola | June 16, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Fat boy haynesworth, I hope that your exwife takes 1/3 of your wealth, then your baby momma takes 1/3 of your declining wealth and the skins take back their unearned money. How close do you live from Mcdonalds? You can work the fries and get discounts on food, just don't work between 3-4pm....get it... 3-4...dumba$$

Posted by: kingpenn1 | June 16, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

dont know what ya'll crying about is HIS money, is in the contract that " he wa to get a bonus on the 1st of April" so he already eraned it, so it is his to keep. If you were to elave the company you work for and they were to ask for your salary back will you give it back? NO! I dont think so, thank you. AH is doing whats best for HIM and his FAMILY AND his professional career...If you work as an IT and your boss ask you to work as a janitor will you do it, no way man bro!>?
So get off AH case let htme man be, he doesn't have to do what's only good in your eyes...you people make me sick!

Posted by: Incognito00 | June 16, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has himself to blame for not cutting or trading Haynesworth before they wrote him the $21M check. They knew he was likely to demand a trade as there was no incentive for him to play for the Redskisn this year. He doesn't care about winning, just about the money. Unlike Arrington who gave up money for his freedom, Haynesworth pocketed the money and now wants to be moved. Serves Danny Boy right for paying Fat Albert so much.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 16, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"I received many phone calls and text messages from current and former Redskins players shortly after word emerged that Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not report to the mandatory two-day minicamp that begins today and wants to be traded." -Jason Reid

Interesting way to phrase it, Jason. Why didn't you say "I spoke with several current and former Redskins after contacting them" or "I got responses from..." instead of implying all the Redskins contacted you out of the blue.

Really odd the way you phrased it.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

If the titans don't want to pay Chris Johnson then we should pay Big Al then trade him to Tennessee for Chris Johnson. Then we can pay Chris Johnson. The Titans know that CJ will never re-sign there because they can't afford him. They will get Big Al back at a bargain basement price and it will only cost them 1 disgruntled RB. They've got Blount, Ringer, and Stafon Johnson waiting in the wings anyway.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | June 17, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone understand the LEGAL phrase, "PUNITIVE DAMAGES"? We can all, if purchasing anything, "Redskins", can sue this fat a?!. Class Action? Let's do it! The big boss can do it also. Just let him ride the bench for the rest of his contract and take even more back from him in the end. His contract is to play and if he refuses or intentionally fails, CIVIL SUIT!

Posted by: clintbooks | June 17, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

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