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Shanahan explains Haynesworth decision

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Albert Haynesworth missed too much practice time and wasn't prepared enough to help the Redskins in Sunday night's loss to Indianapolis.

Haynesworth left the team on Oct. 7, following the death of his brother, Lance McCoy, in Nashville, Tenn. He rejoined his teammates last Thursday and participated in the team's walk-through practice sessions on Thursday and Friday. But he missed practice and meetings on Wednesday, which is when the team installed its game plan, and Shanahan decided to put him on the inactive list for the game against the Colts.

"I just thought six or seven days without working out and coming in after the game plan has already been implemented, it was just a combination of both of those things," Shanahan said after Sunday night's game.

Haynesworth has been active for three of the team's six games this season. He watched Sunday's loss from a suite at FedEx Field.

Without Haynesworth in the lineup Sunday, Washington's defense allowed Indianapolis to roll up 469 yards of offense. The team will enter next week's game at Chicago again ranked last in the NFL in total defense.

The Redskins had only five defensive linemen active against Indianapolis, but used many packages that featured six defensive backs.

By Rick Maese  | October 18, 2010; 12:45 AM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan  
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p1funk- you're my boy and it has nothing to do with being a Terp.

Cov 2-

Dhall needs to press the WR and carry him to the S. He did neither and that's on him. LL30 had no chance after the way Dhall played it, it's a 2 man game in the cover 2. Dhall was also the MOST suspect guy in the secondary tonight, bar none.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 18, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

One more point-

Could you imagine if AH was on the field against the Peyton and his no huddle? He would have joined his cousin our cost us out TOs we didn't take advantage of with McNabb's inaccuate throws.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 18, 2010 12:47 AM

Another point...Of we catch even one of those 4 INTs. we win.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 18, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

1st.....Shanny is a control freak..469 yards allowed and last place D. But Fat Albert wouldn't help .... OK!

Posted by: redordie | October 18, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Not understanding what the hell we're doing with Albert... where's this going, exactly?

If he's on the roster, which apparently is going to continue to be the case, I want him on the field helping the team. Which I believe he should be capable of doing even with small amounts of practice, though I know I'm oversimplifying things.

And if they want to get rid of him, shouldn't he be on the field, like, showcasing his talents? That defensive MVP (or whatever the hell) he won is only getting farther back in the rear view mirror.

I just don't get it...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

The pissing match continues.

Shanny seriously needs to check his ego at the door. It's starting to affect the outcome of games now. Just becuase he didn't cut anybody on Saturday he has to find a way to be a jerk before kickoff.

Posted by: elfreako | October 18, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX-

I agree to an extent. However I don't think AH would have made a difference. We'll never know...

anonymous-

Remember when peeps use to sign their posts?

Could you imagine if we would have caught at least ONE of those FOUR picks Manning tried to give us?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 18, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game except for the first seven minutes. I believe AH was held out because he' still reeling from losing his kid brother. Yes I'm guessing. Hopefully he's better able to contribute starting this week --but who knows?

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

@NateinthePDX
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Agreed. Can't figure it out.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 18, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Its alittle bit of a show, you have the best D-lineman in the league ready to play, play with a purpose and you dont put him in to prove a point, give me a break! We know your the boss now play the players the snyd and us the fans pay to play. The 100 million dollar man would of definately made a difference, taking up a few blockers and freeing up london to make one or two more plays maybe on the long addai run which changed the game. Oh well the Boss didnt want to let us know if he had any heart... we gave this one away but get to 4-3 and we are still a playoff contender!!

Posted by: Rshelton50 | October 18, 2010 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Its alittle bit of a show, you have the best D-lineman in the league ready to play, play with a purpose and you dont put him in to prove a point, give me a break! We know your the boss now play the players the snyd and us the fans pay to play. The 100 million dollar man would of definately made a difference, taking up a few blockers and freeing up london to make one or two more plays maybe on the long addai run which changed the game. Oh well the Boss didnt want to let us know if he had any heart... we gave this one away but get to 4-3 and we are still a playoff contender!!

Posted by: Rshelton50 | October 18, 2010 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Its alittle bit of a show, you have the best D-lineman in the league ready to play, play with a purpose and you dont put him in to prove a point, give me a break! We know your the boss now play the players the snyd and us the fans pay to play. The 100 million dollar man would of definately made a difference, taking up a few blockers and freeing up london to make one or two more plays maybe on the long addai run which changed the game. Oh well the Boss didnt want to let us know if he had any heart... we gave this one away but get to 4-3 and we are still a playoff contender!!

Posted by: Rshelton50 | October 18, 2010 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Come on, Mike, this is getting ridiculous!!!! Let the man play!!!! This isn't about you anymore...Albert's on the same side. You wouldn't do this to Elway.

Posted by: karlw171 | October 18, 2010 4:31 AM | Report abuse

Remember last year when AH would practically pass out on the field? Can you imagine him out there when Peyton was running that offense? He would have been gassed on the 3rd play. We would have used 3 timeouts before the Colts passed midfield just to get AH off the field to the oxygen tank!

Posted by: teden | October 18, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Remember last year when AH would practically pass out on the field? Can you imagine him out there when Peyton was running that offense? He would have been gassed on the 3rd play. We would have used 3 timeouts before the Colts passed midfield just to get AH off the field to the oxygen tank!

Posted by: teden | October 18, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Remember last year when AH would practically pass out on the field? Can you imagine him out there when Peyton was running that offense? He would have been gassed on the 3rd play. We would have used 3 timeouts before the Colts passed midfield just to get AH off the field to the oxygen tank!

Posted by: teden | October 18, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

The word "compassion" is not in Shanahan's vocabulary. He is 100% about winning football games. Depending on your point of view, that's either a glaring personality disorder or a virtue. Gibbs would have given Albert a big fat hug.

Posted by: howjensen | October 18, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I think that I would rather see Haynesworth and Dockery on the active list with Shanahan and Haslett inactive. Shanahan has little to do with this team's improvement,credit McNabb and his leadership along with better offensive line play. Meanwhile an effective defense has regressed to the point where we can't stop anyone while Haynesworth sits. News flash---every team in the league will run the ball down your throat if you don't use defensive lineman. I thought we were playing a 3-4 ,not a 1-10 defense.

Posted by: wellscats | October 18, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

We lost the game before it started with the "small team" and Reed trying to play linebacker. They ran all over us with no size in the middle and the defensive guys were dissapointed with Mike's ego trip to have Haynesworth and Dockery inactive. Come on Mike, you are ((*&&^&&ing up BIG TIME and we Skins fans can keep putting up with your crap. PLAY THE MAN NOWWWWWWWWWWW BEFORE WE LOSE EVERYTHING THING INCLUDING "MORE" FANS.

Posted by: gman54 | October 18, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

We lost the game before it started with the "small team" and Reed trying to play linebacker. They ran all over us with no size in the middle and the defensive guys were dissapointed with Mike's ego trip to have Haynesworth and Dockery inactive. Come on Mike, you are ((*&&^&&ing up BIG TIME and we Skins fans can keep putting up with your crap. PLAY THE MAN NOWWWWWWWWWWW BEFORE WE LOSE EVERYTHING THING INCLUDING "MORE" FANS.

Posted by: gman54 | October 18, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

We lost the game before it started with the "small team" and Reed trying to play linebacker. They ran all over us with no size in the middle and the defensive guys were dissapointed with Mike's ego trip to have Haynesworth and Dockery inactive. Come on Mike, you are ((*&&^&&ing up BIG TIME and we Skins fans can't keep putting up with your crap. PLAY THE MAN NOWWWWWWWWWWW BEFORE WE LOSE EVERYTHING THING INCLUDING "MORE" FANS.

Posted by: gman54 | October 18, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

We lost the game before it started with the "small team" and Reed trying to play linebacker. They ran all over us with no size in the middle and the defensive guys were dissapointed with Mike's ego trip to have Haynesworth and Dockery inactive. Come on Mike, you are ((*&&^&&ing up BIG TIME and we Skins fans can't keep putting up with your crap. PLAY THE MAN NOWWWWWWWWWWW BEFORE WE LOSE EVERYTHING THING INCLUDING "MORE" FANS.

Posted by: gman54 | October 18, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

We lost the game before it started with the "small team" and Reed trying to play linebacker. They ran all over us with no size in the middle and the defensive guys were dissapointed with Mike's ego trip to have Haynesworth and Dockery inactive. Come on Mike, you are ((*&&^&&ing up BIG TIME and we Skins fans can't keep putting up with your crap. PLAY THE MAN NOWWWWWWWWWWW BEFORE WE LOSE EVERYTHING THING INCLUDING "MORE" FANS.

Posted by: gman54 | October 18, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

We saw Portis on the bench with his team even though he couldn't play. Fat Albert sat in a luxury booth with some babe which tells us where his head is...which isn't far from his cup. Haynesworth is all about himself and is a cancer on any team.The coaches and players showed their respect for the loss of his stepbrother and cut him slack.AH dissed them all when he decided not to be down on the field with his team.

Posted by: bowspray | October 18, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

A cornerback who can't catch should be on Misfit island with the wagon that has square wheels and the lion who can't roar. No kid wants a cornerback that can't catch!!

Posted by: donsilvester | October 18, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

A cornerback who can't catch should be on Misfit island with the wagon that has square wheels and the lion who can't roar. No kid wants a cornerback that can't catch!!

Posted by: donsilvester | October 18, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

We saw Portis on the bench with his team even though he couldn't play. Fat Albert sat in a luxury booth with some babe which tells us where his head is...which isn't far from his cup. Haynesworth is all about himself and is a cancer on any team.The coaches and players showed their respect for the loss of his stepbrother and cut him slack.AH dissed them all when he decided not to be down on the field with his team.

Posted by: bowspray | October 18, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

AH isn't the one who deactivated HIMSELF before the game. Take that up with the Head Man. AH said he'd be back this week, i think they buried his brother tuesday. It wasn't unreasonable to think he'd be back wednesday or thursday. It's kinda unreasonable to on the one hand, say the team has "respect for the loss of his brother and cut him some slack..." when the coach held him out of the game. I think that shows you where Shanny's head is at. CP couldn't have played if Shanny personally helped him put in his pads. i think AH was ready to go. Shanny just didn't want to play him.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 18, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

You guys saying Shanahan doesn't know what he's doing are crazy. He knows what he's doing and sticking to his game plan. He went out and got McNabb, he drafted Williams, signed Brown. He has improved the offensive line. He went out and got his son to run the offense, which by the way is better than the last five or so years. Haynesworth is a tool, as posted -sitting in the luxury box pouting with some gold digging wench unlike CP down with his teammates(doing battle). I say pay him the money and let him rot on the bench. No way we trade him now, the big part of his payments have been made. Keep him right on the bench. Also, totally agree with above posts, AH would have died in that fast paced environment yesterday. Our defense was off balance on a lot of plays, some not even ready at the snap.

Our defensive scheme has changed, we need to get better no doubt. But we do not have enough quality linebackers to run a 3-4. After we get two or three quality guys, the defense will get better. CR never could catch but he can cover well. I still think CR is better than most cb's we have on our bench. He's a good run support tackler.

The game plan against the colts was very different, did it work ??? Somewhat, we could have won the game and a lot of negative stuff would be positive. The Colts are good and give Manning credit - he is the best active QB in the league.

Posted by: Rando | October 18, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that think Shanahan's ego trip is really getting old? Really how much game planning is ever needed to be last in league. I guess AH wasnt in meeting to be told you would me only lineman so be prepare to go against best center in league and 4 other lineman by yourself. Our defense is slowly becoming a joke as the season goes on. But he has to much pride to change at this point so we are stuck. That was the worse defensive preparation I have ever seen manning is smartest QB in league if not in history of NFL, so what was that defense about like he not going to audible to a run when he sees one lineman and 3 LB and 7 DB switch back to 4-3 or hybrid type to help us save face please..switch comepletly to 3-4 when u fill roster out with correct personnel thru draft and FA

Posted by: cube757 | October 18, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

What has anyone seen about Fat Al over the last 2 years that makes you believe he could have kept up the pace of that game or dominated it? It was too face paced to substitute and he would have been gased after 4 plays. And he's not being paid like a guy that dominates a couple of plays a game. He's getting paid like a guy who should dominate on ALL plays. (Think LT or Reggie White) If he dominated the Philly game like BMitch said, I must have missed it.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | October 18, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I think some guys that blog here think with something other than their brains, as some guys often do.
We lost the game for several reasons
1.
The O line could not handle the rush. One time they got to McNabb rushing 3 guys. I don`t care who their D ends were...ya can`t contain 3 guys?
2.
The defense could not get to Manning! It didn`t matter what they threw at him. Orapko got a sack/fumble...that was it.
McNabb was under pressure a lot....and had to escape the clutches of the D on many occasions to make a play. He was sacked several times, and had to hurry throws often.
3.
That f#@#ing Rogers dropped 2 more...and Moore dropped one sure interception. They did not give Rogers a multi-year deal for a reason. They will trade him.
4.
MANNING IS MANNING...NUGH SAID ON THAT.

5.
OUR RUNNING GAME LOOKED BETTER...BUT IT WAS MISLEADING. THE COLTS D LINE IS UNDERSIZED
BUT FAST. WE HAVE NOT RUN AGAINST BIG DEFENSES. WE WILL SEE HOW THEY RUN IN CHICAGO.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | October 18, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I think its reasonable for Shanahan to bench Albert for missing that much practice and the installation of the game plan. My issue is the fact that Albert was up in the suite sitting pretty, and not on the sidelines cheering up his team. Disgraceful.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | October 18, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I think its reasonable for Shanahan to bench Albert for missing that much practice and the installation of the game plan. My issue is the fact that Albert was up in the suite sitting pretty, and not on the sidelines cheering up his team. Disgraceful.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | October 18, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

This is just stupid not to play Albert. It's bad coaching period. Put your ego a side coach and let's win some football games.

Posted by: dmarquis64 | October 18, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Ego aside is correct. Stalin is really getting on my nerves. We have a make shift roster with holes and flaws everywhere. Not sure how we've won 3 games. Very few draft picks next year. Oh, yeah, tell your son to call better plays.

Posted by: matthewrayman | October 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

My issue is that Albert wasnt in the middle of the line fighting to get any sort of pressure on Manning.

Posted by: matthewrayman | October 18, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

As a head coach, it is imperative to ignore the fickle fans and the fickle media. Last year, and in years past, fans and the media were moaning about the lack of discipline on the team, and how players like Portis and Haynesworth were allowed to make their own rules and play without practising. This year, fans are moaning because of the discipline Shanahan is imposing on the team and his refusal to let players make their own rules and play without practising. One can only assume that the same people complaining this year regarding this issue thought that the past few years around here were just great.

Posted by: sonny2 | October 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

A single additional qb pressure could have been the difference in that game, yet Fat Al is inactive because of a pissing match over OTAs.

Losing games over the coaches ego is exactly the sort of trait that would explain a 2x Superbowl winner getting FIRED from the franchise that loves him.

Posted by: divi3 | October 18, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Two observations: 1) Given the mass wondering around by the defense before every play, there is no way AH could have functioned without the prep work to understand it. 2) Given the speed that Manning got to the line (i.e., no subs possible), there is no way AH could have played even had he known what was expected by the defensive scheme. I thought Shanny was wrong to make him inactive before the game. By halftime I knew I was wrong and he was right. Don't know if that was his thinking, but he got the right result anyway.

Posted by: HopeNeverDies | October 18, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Fans. Listen. Calm down! Those who are complaining have drunk the cool-aide. We won a few games and have showed improvement over the past decade. But, the Skins are still a "work in progress." The mess Shanny and Allen inherited will NOT be fixed in a season. I know this is a hard pill to swallow, but if we finish 8 and 8 this year, it will be amazing. Anything beyond that is bonus. Chill. Be patient.

Posted by: stevesuders | October 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Fans. Listen. Calm down! Those who are complaining have drunk the cool-aide. We won a few games and have showed improvement over the past decade. But, the Skins are still a "work in progress." The mess Shanny and Allen inherited will NOT be fixed in a season. I know this is a hard pill to swallow, but if we finish 8 and 8 this year, it will be amazing. Anything beyond that is bonus. Chill. Be patient.

Posted by: stevesuders | October 18, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Fans. Listen. Calm down! Those who are complaining have drunk the cool-aide. We won a few games and have showed improvement over the past decade. But, the Skins are still a "work in progress." The mess Shanny and Allen inherited will NOT be fixed in a season. I know this is a hard pill to swallow, but if we finish 8 and 8 this year, it will be amazing. Anything beyond that is bonus. Chill. Be patient.

Posted by: stevesuders | October 18, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Fans. Listen. Calm down! Those who are complaining have drunk the kool-aide. So we won a few games and have showed improvement over the past decade. Great! The Skins, however, are still a "work in progress." The mess Shanny and Allen inherited will NOT be fixed in a season. I know this is a hard pill to swallow, but if we finish 8 and 8 this year, it will be amazing. Anything beyond that is bonus. Chill. Be patient.

Posted by: stevesuders | October 18, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan is a very good coach but he is far from perfect. We need to stop giving him a free ride because he is MS. He has this team playing more discipline football no doubt. But come on. The play calling was suspect at times. Calling a stretch play on 3rd and short with a powerback. Was Zorn calling the plays. Pulling your starting running back when he was averaging more than 6 yds per carry. and What team doesn't play their best player at a position and even try to trade them when they don't have anyone on the team that is even remotely as talented as that player. You make trades to acquire better talent.....Personality issues you handle internally and do whats best for the team. Also whats up with this 1 man defensive lineman in a 3 point bull. How is a d-lineman that is getting double team supposed to get leverage if they are standing straight up. This is the fundamentals of football. With all that we were still in the game. We are so close but the coaching staff needs to step it up I expect better from this staff.

Posted by: RealOne1 | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Fans. Listen. Calm down! Those who are complaining have drunk the kool-aide. So we won a few games and have showed improvement over the past decade. Great! The Skins, however, are still a "work in progress." The mess Shanny and Allen inherited will NOT be fixed in a season. I know this is a hard pill to swallow, but if we finish 8 and 8 this year, it will be amazing. Anything beyond that is bonus. Chill. Be patient.

Posted by: stevesuders | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Not understanding what the hell we're doing with Albert... where's this going, exactly?

If he's on the roster, which apparently is going to continue to be the case, I want him on the field helping the team. Which I believe he should be capable of doing even with small amounts of practice, though I know I'm oversimplifying things.

And if they want to get rid of him, shouldn't he be on the field, like, showcasing his talents? That defensive MVP (or whatever the hell) he won is only getting farther back in the rear view mirror.

I just don't get it...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Completely agree.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

AH could have been back Wends in time for practice w some hustle--the funeral was on Tuesday right? He coulda made a statement in doing so.....fired up the team. Seeing him in box lounging, and not on the field is utterly unfathomable and confirms he milked the unfortunate passing of his half-brother to skip another week of work......this I am now certain of having seen CP on the sideline just like any other player. CP has a sperated groin--think he woulda liked to lounge in the box?

Coach Shanny is 100% on target--we'll never know if AH woulda helped and made a diff.....w\o him we had a chance and 1--2 caught interceptions, a few more runs to keep Manning off the field, we might have pulled out a win that a year ago woulda been impossible to even be on the same planet w said chance to win........

on to da bears.......cutler is no manning

Posted by: tabtool | October 18, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of kool-aide, try this idea. Some of the most successful coaches (with admittedly much better teams) continue to tinker with their line-ups in the first half of the season so that they know exactly what they have and who can deliver by November. They expect to be in the post season and have the patience to play close (or even lose) in September-October to get ready for the playoff drive. I hope that is what is happening. Regardless, I can't fault any of the new players who are making contributions I never expected before the season started. I wish we had a better team, but now I just want them to keep getting better and hope that stay close to .500 and then sweep December.

Posted by: HopeNeverDies | October 18, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of kool-aide, try this idea. Some of the most successful coaches (with admittedly much better teams) continue to tinker with their line-ups in the first half of the season so that they know exactly what they have and who can deliver by November. They expect to be in the post season and have the patience to play close (or even lose) in September-October to get ready for the playoff drive. I hope that is what is happening. Regardless, I can't fault any of the new players who are making contributions I never expected before the season started. I wish we had a better team, but now I just want them to keep getting better and hope that stay close to .500 and then sweep December.

Posted by: HopeNeverDies | October 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

should AH be punished for a death in the family. Does Shanny know something we dont like was this a long lost half brother wit no emotional ties I just dont think its wise to dabble in this shanny, He can an was colapsing the pocket the dime worked when he was in there

Posted by: Rvf0509 | October 18, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Am guessing that Shanny understands that any trade involving Haynesworth would probably be contingent on the lunkhead passing a physical for the new team.

Am given the oaf's demonstrated unwillingness and inability to exert himself in such situations, the coach is probably trying to maneuver into position where he can honestly pawn this joker off to the next team without so much as scratch, bruise or blemish.

If anything, last night's game showed me the defense can do just as well as -- if not better -- without AH92.

The time is long overdue to deal this joker already.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 18, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

People who keep saying "I think Shanahan knows better than you what's best for this team" apparently don't follow football. If they did, they'd realize that coaches make personnel mistakes ALL THE TIME. And Shanny has been making a mistake with Haynesworth all season. Play the guy, that's what the team is paying him for.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert's presence would have won us the game last night. it was the difference.

Posted by: maz3 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

All of you Fat Albert jock sniffers are fools who never played the game. Fat Albert is worthless just like you.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | October 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a $100,000,000 lesson for the rest of the team and future players regarding what is acceptable and what is not. Thank God we actually have someone who has the cajones and respect of The Danny to begin restoring order. When the players think they can do anything they want anytime they want because of any reason they want, you have lost the team. Whether you like him or not, Shannahan won't unless it is in the vein of Tom Cofflin (which hasn't shown it's ugly face, yet). 8-8 is all we'll get this year, we are right on schedule.
And by the way, if the defensive backs could catch a ball, there wouldn't be 465 yards against the defense.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | October 18, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a $100,000,000 lesson for the rest of the team and future players regarding what is acceptable and what is not. Thank God we actually have someone who has the cajones and respect of The Danny to begin restoring order. When the players think they can do anything they want anytime they want because of any reason they want, you have lost the team. Whether you like him or not, Shannahan won't unless it is in the vein of Tom Cofflin (which hasn't shown it's ugly face, yet). 8-8 is all we'll get this year, we are right on schedule.
And by the way, if the defensive backs could catch a ball, there wouldn't be 465 yards against the defense.
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AMEN!!!!! I think AH thought his Grenn bay game was enuff to let him milk the very tragic situation his family experienced....waht a surprise: AH resting on past laurels?

and as another poster suggested\wondered: I DO think Shanny is tinkering w the line up as the season progresses w full expectations that "if we put you out there.we expect nothing but 120% effort\hustle at all time".....in the end we'll be close and w teams like indy may not have the talent (combined w effort) just yet to knock them off.......

Posted by: tabtool | October 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

You pay the player to play, not sit. Shanahan is a fool and doing the team and the fans a disservice by not playing his best players. This is the man that drafted Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round.

Posted by: StLou | October 18, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Screw Albert. He is fat and out of shaped. He has been a non-factor in every game except for one. Make that fat ass direct traffic in the parking lot.

Posted by: shoreterp1 | October 18, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We weren't getting any pressure or stopping the run, so I fail to see how it could have been any worse if Haynesworth got winded. At least he takes up a lot of space just standing there. One hit by him on Manning could have been the difference as Manning does not like to get hit. So of course we don't blitz him. Didn't they even watch the SB tape?

The defensive game plan was a total failure, just like it was against the Rams and Texans. It probably would have been against the Packers if we didn't get bailed out by knocking out a couple of their best guys. Still, if we hang on to those INTs, we probably win the game.

And finally, call me crazy but I would have preferred to see DT12 running down the sideline for that last pass instead of grandpa galloway. Maybe he could have at least made a play on the ball instead of watching the INT. He couldn't get separation on a post earlier that would have been a TD with a decent receiver.

Shanahan's poor decisionmaking is becoming difficult to ignore.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 18, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Shanaklan is d--K HEAD!LET IT GO, AND STOP THE MADNESS THE RED ON YOUR NECK IS STARTING TO SHOW!

Posted by: phildozier | October 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Shanaklan is d--K HEAD!LET IT GO, AND STOP THE MADNESS THE RED ON YOUR NECK IS STARTING TO SHOW!

Posted by: phildozier | October 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong. Has Albert ever said that he wanted to help this team win? That contract that Cerrato/Snyder game him did nothing but make Albert that much more self entitled than he already was. He got his bonus so he has no reason to care about the coaches or his teamates.

Posted by: shoreterp1 | October 18, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

AH is a cancer, but we have sunk in too much money to pay for other players.

We need to find a way to use him without transmitting the cancer to rest of the team.

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 18, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

A lot of great points about AH playing or not. I don't think he would have cost us any timeouts because he would have just laid on the ground and it would have been an official (injury) timeout. AH would have been off the field at the 2 min mark, if he had even made it that far. PM was playing at such a fast pace either AH wouldn't have been able to get on the field, or once on, wouldn't have been able to get off. That said, I too would have liked to see AH on 3rd and short. A couple of things seem certain: we'll never know the impact AH would/would not have had; this pissing match doesn't show signs of going away; AH could have, damn well should have, been the "bigger man" and been on the sideline with his TEAMMATES. I think the Skins on field performance, or lack thereof, is a hell of a lot more of concern to me than the continuing drama of MS vs AH.

Posted by: MTalleyMon | October 18, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

i think the organization is still dysfunctional. Redskins have been dogging folks for the past 10-years. Why do folks assume this is a Shanahan-Haynesworth issue. Ever since Snyder has taken over this team there have been unexplained issues between players and coaches when it's obvious the coaches are doing the dirty work of the front office.

Levar Arrington is the easiest example. go back to Brad Johnson and his time here. Champ was wrong when it was obvious he was the best CB in the league and we trade him for another malcontent in portis. but since Portis was a Snyder trade, we have to make that look good and portis never worked out or prepared for the season. Recall early Sean Taylor was a so-called problem child. he could never be found, did not return Joe Gibbs' calls and apparently was never working out in the off season. He was being vilified by the organization too. Another current issue is Derrick Dockery. Every team blitzes come through his gap, and he is missing 2 a week now.

There always appears to be some guy on the team they are trying to run out of town. Look at all the free agents signed. Look at what they do to their own draft picks versus other team's castoffs. Look at the tone toward Devin Thmas and Malcolm Kelly. if they aren't good enough, they aren't good enough and cut them. don't put out things about professionalism and all that bull. if he can play, play him. if not cut him.

Posted by: oknow1 | October 18, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Another vote for Mike Shanahan = Captain Queeg. I miss Albert and Dock. (For those of you not as old as I am, google on Caine Mutiny.)

Posted by: richardshaker | October 18, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who sides with AH couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag.

Look, we're getting good play from Armstrong, Wilson, and younger players precisely because they are being treated exactly by MS the same as AH. All AH had to do was to some buy-in to the coach - like being there on Wednesday.

If you give in to AH, you might was well throw character out window - and spit in the face of Daryl Green, Art Monk, Jacoby, and the other redskin greats of true character.

So don't shoot MS down because he's holding the team to character. He's building the future of the Redskins right now.

Posted by: pharrrrtt | October 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Shanahan is a control freak. And that has nothing to do with this situation.

This is a team that went into this game with two big changes to the defensive gameplan:
--play with a lot of DB's
--have Carter effective be a down lineman/DE on a number of plays

Given those factors, to make AH active you have to decide who to deactivate. That's not an easy call. One of the things that this season has shown is that the special teams can be a game changer (and are) for the 2010 Redskins. Do you deactivate Banks for this game?

The skins are giving up tons of yardage for a couple of reasons:
--they faced the Colts and Manning. Everyone gives up yardage against them.
--they're still getting the scheme down (which is why isn't not a priority to have roster space for a guy who just missed 7-8 days of practice)
--the scheme is predicated on giving up yards but creating turnovers and being tough in the red zone. And for the most part, this defense does those things successfully.

Would I have liked to have AH on the active roster? Of course. I would have also liked to have had Dockery and McIntosh as well. But to activate all 3 would mean removing 3 important special teams players.

Posted by: JoeW1 | October 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I saw the whole game and was excited till the end.

My observations (& opinions):

1. AH would have been a detriment. The announcers had even commented on how FAST PM was running that no huddle. Really, this was the COLTS and though we gave up a crap load of yards, we were in the game through makeing plays.

2. Our running game is very promising. How long has it been since we've pulled off the runs that Torain was making. We run with guts and actually BREAK tackles now. CP falls down at first touch.

3. McNabb needs to be more consistent. He misses too many throws.

4. Our coaching is the best it,s been in a decade (or more). We have a new offense and a new Defense. The scheme will take time. I'm gratefull that we've had the chance to win most of our games this year.

5. How long has Sellers been on special teams? He is GREAT at kick return coverage.

6. The Defense and Offense both are playing with high risk/reward which makes it exciting. At least it is competitive and exciting consistently - for a change.

7. Why hasn't Orakpo drawn more holding penalties? He's really good and is VERY hard to handle. Folks were so worried about Dwight Freeney - I don't think he even had an assisted tackle last night? Go Trent Williams.

8. We need another speedy wide out - tall/short no matter. There's no defense for speed.

9. We are really playing lights out on Defense. We are drawing blood and punching a lot of guys really hard in the mouth. Harder than I've seen in a few years.

10. We will be a team to be reckined with for years to come - trust them.

I agree - Cutler is no Manning but we have to face the other Manning twice still.

Posted by: gregmorris78 | October 18, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Lil Mikey is a wild guy, and his little ego is getting in the way. He cuts D. Thomas and keeps Joey "No Hands" Galloway. He puts Fat Albert in the press box, and lets J. Addia run amok for 127yrds up the freaking gut (by the way it helped my fantasy league but damn already!). Lil Mikey is the team lead that you would hate to work for (I'm looking at mine right now smh).

Posted by: Ellic3 | October 18, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Shanahan doesn't look at Haynesworth as a difference maker in the current scheme.

Teams regularly allow players coming back from injuries or personal leave to play on game time regardless of missing time during the week.

You can bet that Brian Orakpo or Santana Moss would be out there on Sunday even if they missed Wednesday practice for an excused absence.

Haynesworth is just not that highly valued as a 3-4 DE here.

If he had bought in to being a NT or DE here and was hungry to play then I think he would have dressed for the Colts game.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 18, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Shanahan doesn't look at Haynesworth as a difference maker in the current scheme.

Teams regularly allow players coming back from injuries or personal leave to play on game time regardless of missing time during the week.

You can bet that Brian Orakpo or Santana Moss would be out there on Sunday even if they missed Wednesday practice for an excused absence.

Haynesworth is just not that highly valued as a 3-4 DE here.

If he had bought in to being a NT or DE here and was hungry to play then I think he would have dressed for the Colts game.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 18, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The way the Colts were hurrying up their offense, would it really have mattered if Haynesworth was out there? He would have been gassed and wouldn't have been effective and it isn't like the defense had time to sub him out for plays. The idea that this is such a big deal is dumb and it is only being brought up because we lost. If we had won, this wouldn't be talked about. Of course Haynesworth wanted to play. Can you imagine him telling his teammates, 'nah, I don't want to play.'

Posted by: authorofpoetry | October 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

i think the organization is still dysfunctional. Redskins have been dogging folks for the past 10-years. Why do folks assume this is a Shanahan-Haynesworth issue. Ever since Snyder has taken over this team there have been unexplained issues between players and coaches when it's obvious the coaches are doing the dirty work of the front office.

Levar Arrington is the easiest example. go back to Brad Johnson and his time here. Champ was wrong when it was obvious he was the best CB in the league and we trade him for another malcontent in portis. but since Portis was a Snyder trade, we have to make that look good and portis never worked out or prepared for the season. Recall early Sean Taylor was a so-called problem child. he could never be found, did not return Joe Gibbs' calls and apparently was never working out in the off season. He was being vilified by the organization too. Another current issue is Derrick Dockery. Every team blitzes come through his gap, and he is missing 2 a week now.

There always appears to be some guy on the team they are trying to run out of town. Look at all the free agents signed. Look at what they do to their own draft picks versus other team's castoffs. Look at the tone toward Devin Thmas and Malcolm Kelly. if they aren't good enough, they aren't good enough and cut them. don't put out things about professionalism and all that bull. if he can play, play him. if not cut him.

Posted by: oknow1
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Agreed. The Redskins and the Redskins Nation will turn on a player lickety-split with the only solution in their minds being to run him out of town.
Shanahan's logic has flaws-it goes something like, "I'm mad at you for not practicing and playing, so I'm going to....not play you at all-So there, I SHOWED YOU!"
You are dead on-this happened to Arrington-Gibbs( Snyder??) got mad at him because he dared to ask for his money so the solution became....to not play him.


We have managed to mis-use and run-off some pretty talented players. We stupidly traded Champ in a snit because he didn't want a sham contract( I'll never forget that Champ took the time to write an open letter to the WashTimes newspaper explaining why he would take what looked like a generous contract).
I read the smart-mouthed posts about AH being out-of-shape, would have been gassed, and blah, blah,blah, but what's the logic of paying a guy millions of dollars, complaining about his dedication and committment and then using every excuse in the book to not play the guy-while continuing to complain that he won't play? It makes no sense.

It pissed me off to see, Arrington suit up and not play game after game his last year here because of a personality conflict with Snyder & Gibbs. Here we go again with AH.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@pharrrrtt
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Fans such as yourself simply must understand that when the rest of us question Shanahan's decisions that doesn't mean we are Pro-Haynesworth. It also doesn't mean we're Anti-Shanahan.

Shanahan is not a god, his decisions CAN be questioned, just like any other coach.

In fact, what it shows is that we are so Pro-Redskins we could care less about the individual personalities of both the coaches and the players and we are interested in getting the best possible team out there. So we question what looks like a capricious, petty and petulant move by Shanahan.
Trust me when I tell you, there's no one here who feels this outsized sympathy for AH like posters such as yourself believe. We just watched a game that featured too many defensive alignments with one D-lineman standing up and getting run over.

Some will point out that AH may not have made a difference. True, AH can't go one against five. So that's why he questioned the 3-4/Too cute/Too tricked out defense, he saw the writing on the wall. One d-lineman going against 3 to 5 o-linemen is a recipe for failure, I don't care if his name is Hulk Z. Hercules

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 18, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

good post armchair. there were MANY other good ANTI-SHANAHAN posts. methinks he believes his press hype. he was LUCKY in denver. and hiring him here to enable his son to take over in two years is just more of the same old BS! and his son has shown ZILCH in the way of game planning. finally, mcnabb IS obviously much better than campbell, but his critics from philly were/are correct: he overthrows too dammmed many open receivers. it's a problem and leadership won't fix it. the only grace is that his backup is MUCH worse.

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 18, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Worst free agent signing, in Redskins history in terms of contract and value on the field.

Posted by: Tdub1 | October 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A TINKERS DAMN WETHER THAT FAT PIECE OF PORK PLAYS OR NOT. HIS ATTITUDE IS DIVISIVE. WHAT GOOD HIS PLAY WOULD BE IS OUTWEIGHTED BY HIS AWFUL ATTITUDE---I SAY KEEP HIM ON THE TAXI SQUAD THE REST OF THE SEASON THEN TRADE THE FAT PIECE OF SHI-.

Posted by: duckyjimpond | October 18, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A TINKERS DAMN WETHER THAT FAT PIECE OF PORK PLAYS OR NOT. HIS ATTITUDE IS DIVISIVE. WHAT GOOD HIS PLAY WOULD BE IS OUTWEIGHTED BY HIS AWFUL ATTITUDE---I SAY KEEP HIM ON THE TAXI SQUAD THE REST OF THE SEASON THEN TRADE THE FAT PIECE OF SHI-.

Posted by: duckyjimpond | October 18, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

As a head coach, it is imperative to ignore the fickle fans and the fickle media. Last year, and in years past, fans and the media were moaning about the lack of discipline on the team, and how players like Portis and Haynesworth were allowed to make their own rules and play without practising. This year, fans are moaning because of the discipline Shanahan is imposing on the team and his refusal to let players make their own rules and play without practising. One can only assume that the same people complaining this year regarding this issue thought that the past few years around here were just great.

Posted by: sonny2 | October 18, 2010 10:09 AM

This is the best post on here! Thanks sonny2! Albert is playing all of the Redskin fans! He didn't look too bothered in the sky box being fed by his lady! Now all of a sudden it's "He's a dictator! We cried when Shotty was losing, but he was the greatest coach when we won. JG2, JZorn and Spurrier were too laid back and undiscipled. What do you want and why is it that the only problem is Haynesworth? No other player is a headache except him. Think about it!

Posted by: tryumpfant | October 19, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

This is the best post on here! Thanks sonny2! Albert is playing all of the Redskin fans! He didn't look too bothered in the sky box being fed by his lady! Now all of a sudden it's "He's a dictator! We cried when Shotty was losing, but he was the greatest coach when we won. JG2, JZorn and Spurrier were too laid back and undiscipled. What do you want and why is it that the only problem is Haynesworth? No other player is a headache except him. Think about it!

Posted by: tryumpfant
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What? Was Haynesworth supposed to be sobbing uncontrollably in his seat?

This control freak crap needs to stop. Haynesworth was there at practice in the days leading up to the game, so to say that he didn't know the game plan is laughable. AH could have been a difference maker in Sunday's game, but we will never know now. In the future, I think it will be more beneficial for this team to have opposing offenses worry about more than just Orakpo. Shanahan needs to play his best players and stop with this king almighty bs.

Posted by: Rahwaj | October 19, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Let Shanahan run the team as he sees fit, he is the one responsible for wins and losses. I do not think he kept Fat Albert out so that we could lose.

It took Fat Albert a week to go to TN and bury his brother, that is important. He returned on Thursday in DS plane.

I guess Fat Albert was not too worried about getting back early to play the game, quit making mountains out of molehills.

If Shannahan felt he was no use to us in this past game, why start questioning.

What one can still question is Fat Albert's dedication to being a top lineman in the league. His stunt during the last preseason game leaves a lot of doubts about his dedication to football.

It is better to play with people willing to give all for the team than with millionarire players interested in their pocket.

Posted by: williamlake | October 19, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

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