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Posted at 3:40 PM ET, 12/ 8/2010

Shanahan: "It was just time" to move on Haynesworth

By Jason Reid

Confirming that the decision to suspend disgruntled defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was his alone, Coach Mike Shanahan said Wednesday that owner Daniel M. Snyder was not involved in the move.

Addressing the media for the first time since he announced the move Tuesday, Shanahan explained his reasoning for suspending the two-time all-pro player for the remainder of the season without pay. He said Haynesworth was uncooperative from the time of their first meeting after Shanahan took control of the football operation in January, and "it was just time. It was just time to go in another direction."

Shanahan said he tried to compromise with Haynesworth, "who didn't like the base defense, didn't like the nickel defense. He didn't want to play nose tackle, he didn't want to play defensive end.

"When we got him playing the nickel package, first and second and third down, he didn't like first- and second-down nickel. He wanted to play nickel in passing situations. I've never quite been through a situation like this before. And we did it in the best interests of our football team. And now, we go on."

The NFL Players Association plans to file an appeal on Haynesworth's behal. Even if an arbitrator upholds the suspension for conduct detrimental to the club, Haynesworth, who likely has played his last game for the team, will have earned almost $34.8 million for only 20 games played in two seasons with the franchise.

Although it would seem that Snyder, facing such a huge loss on his investment in Haynesworth, should have had a major role in Tuesday's decision to suspend the nine-year veteran, he permitted Shanahan to make the call on his own, Shanahan said.

"No, he didn't" have a role in the move, Shanahan said. "Dan's been great to me. I haven't even discussed the situation with Dan."

Shanahan simply wanted to get the best out of Haynesworth, he said.

"I know he's a very talented athlete," Shanahan said. "My goal was to get him to play at full speed, get him to play as hard as he could possibly play [and] get him in excellent football shape.

"I really had a pretty good relationship with him. It was never argumentative. Pretty good for the most part. Lot of drama, obviously, with all the press coverage. But when someone dictates when they'll go in, when they won't go in, that just was a little bit too much."

Shanahan chose not to trade Haynesworth because he did not receive the compensation he wanted in return. It is widely believed that the Redskins, after the appeal process is completed, have no choice but to eventually release Haynesworth, a former league executive and an NFC assistant coach said recently.

Asked whether there was any scenario in which Haynesworth could be on the roster during the 2011 season, Shanahan declined to speculate on the team's potential personnel moves. Shanahan, however, was eager to comment about the strong support he has received from Snyder.

"Dan has been completely supportive since I've been here," he said. "He's gonna give me every chance to do things the right way, build this thing, this organization the right way, and I thank him for doing it.

"But there's going to be some growing pains, there's going to be some mistakes that we make along the way. But we'll make 'em full speed ahead. And, hopefully, make enough right decisions where we can get this organization back to where it's been."

By Jason Reid  | December 8, 2010; 3:40 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Shanahan: "It was just time to go in another direction"


...but Mike, the change in direction should've been made, say, before April 1st this year when AH was due $21 million.

Then, you could've gotten the picks you wanted and been rid of the headache that dominates the headlines now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I just used the playoff predictor on the link below and manipulated it so that the 'skins win the division as the 3rd ranked team.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

The last flicker of hope. There are multiple scenarios with 'skins making the playoffs if they win out and there are a number of teams tied at 9-7.

Of course they have to win all their games and there are multiple scenarios in which even if they did win out they would miss out.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

New RI poll coming in 3, 2, 1...

Is Dan the Midget Megalomaniac:

A. Truly out of the loop concerning the suspension of his most expensive "ass-et?"

B. Hoping that no one holds him personally accountable for the continuing failure of "his" team to post a winning record?

C. Just distancing himself so get a better swing of the hammer?

D. Waiting for further guidance from Vinny?

E. Secretly interviewing new head coaching prospects?

Posted by: Vic1 | December 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hindsight Moe. Hindsight.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan said he tried to compromise with Haynesworth, "who didn't like the base defense, didn't like the nickel defense. He didn't want to play nose tackle, he didn't want to play defensive end."

He also didn't like last years 4-3..

UFB..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

...but Mike, the change in direction should've been made, say, before April 1st this year when AH was due $21 million.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 3:46 PM

Haynesworth is a very very talented player. If there was an error, it was in accepting the judgment of the player who agreed to accept the $21M and be a member of the team.

Its hard to cut loose a guy of that talent. Lesson learned. Don't trust guys who agree to take unearned money.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Hell there is even a scenario that has the
'skins being the fifth spot and taking on the NFC west champ.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan: "It was just time to go in another direction"


...but Mike, the change in direction should've been made, say, before April 1st this year when AH was due $21 million.

Then, you could've gotten the picks you wanted and been rid of the headache that dominates the headlines now.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Good point. Mike apparently took AH at his word, a grievous error.

I don't believe that Mike--who helped fleece the Redskins when he was at Denver--ever got "the picks he wanted" and/or a willingness by a trade partner to pay all of Albert's remaining contract.

I suspect Albert would have been gone had those scenarios evolved.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

KS "Uhhh, Dad he is one of the best come-from-behind QB's in the history of the NFL...".

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 2:18 PM

Really? One of the best of all time? I don't think so. He's not bad but he is hardle one of the best of all time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 8, 2010 2:30 PM
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Never said "all time".....but, in the history of the NFL, he is near the top.

And he does have more come-from-behind wins of any other ACTIVE NFL QB other than Favre. And I would guess it puts him near the top of all NFL QBs to ever play.
Which makes it all the more idiotic and egotistical for Shanahan to bench him at the most critical time in the game. I would say both Shanahans lost a great deal of respect and trust from the players when that occurred. Especially when they could not get on the same page as to why it was done.. And the Redskin player's "no-comments" in the locker room to the media after the game, when asked,....said volumes. Just like their uninspired performance on the field since Detroit. The difference is almost like two separate teams when you compare before Detroit and after. Up to that point in Detroit, the team morale was high and they were embracing McNabb as their leader with a winning record against formidable teams. In my opinion, Shanahan de-railed it with that one move.. The team has since played comatose, like they dont care about the season or the coaches.
Bottom-line, Putting Rex in was an insane move, in a winnable game, by an "out of touch" control-freak head coach..
Shanny should step down and preserve his legacy... John Elway is not walking through that door (at least not a young John Elway).

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"And, hopefully, make enough right decisions where we can get this organization back to where it's been."

=======================
Mike, Agreed.... you're getting the organization back to "where its been".... 4-12 W-L.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan said "My goal was to get him to play at full speed, get him to play as hard as he could possibly play [and] get him in excellent football shape."


Haynesworth had a different goal. He wanted to play at half speed, as soft as he could possibly play, and in excellent bar-hopping shape. Amazing that there are people stupid enough to try to defend Haynesworth and to blame Shanahan.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"But there's going to be some growing pains, there's going to be some mistakes that we make along the way. But we'll make 'em full speed ahead. And, hopefully, make enough right decisions where we can get this organization back to where it's been."


THIS IS UN-SJKING-ACCEPTABLE! Every single decision must be dead solid perfect and must be executed with impeccable timing! Anything less than 100% omniscience should be punished with immediate dismissal and beheading!

(Sorry, just trying to see what it must be like to be certain RI commenters.)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003

You went against the RI shmoozers, who fall for Danny's off-season championships EVERY YEAR.

.....and if you've been paying attention, they are already cutting-pasting their lists of other team's used to be players we should give a bundle of money to next Spring.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'll pass, but if there are any O line FAs we should get every one. We certainly won't do much in the draft.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins aren't eliminated from the playoffs until:

Either they lose a game OR:

1) Either the Giants or Eagles win 10 games

AND

2) If one of the Saints, Buccs or Seahawks win 10 games

AND

3) The Bears and the Packers both win ten games

OR

There are two teams that have 10 wins but don't become division champs.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I say put in all of the young interior o-linemen, from LG-RG.

Let them gel together these next 4 games, see how it goes.

Personally I thought Montgomery looked great at center.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"it was time" = 4 games left max suspension under the CBA

pulling him last minute before the ginas game is effectively suspending him for 5 games but has the added benefit of prompting the savant to say something that would could be used against him - for example "i'm not going to talk to" the HC anymore

on to the point about releasing him - does anybody understand why the skins would have to do that? even if his value is down, wouldn't teams essentially be competing with one another to come up with the most attractive offer in terms of draft picks? team A offers a 5th rounder, team B offers a 4th?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it must be a goose ~ shanahan Logic.

I'm not defending AH as a person I'm defending the abysmal lack of talent on the skins' roster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

4 games left, 4 game suspension maximum under the CBA - "it was time" indeed

pulling him from the ginas game prompts him to say something stupid a la "i'm not going to talk to the HC anymore"

why would the skins have to release him though? wouldn't teams try to low ball offer for him so he wouldn't hit the waiver wire?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Personally I thought Montgomery looked great at center.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 8, 2010 4:14 PM

Monty has one decent half pressed into service at Center and everyone is sold that he's our future hope at Center.

The guys's a journeyman back up. He was terrible last year. I was surprised we kept him this year. Maybe he's improved some and will be good depth for a year our two, but I think we already know what Monty is.

Glad he was able to step in and help, but let's not get over excited.

We need to keep looking.

Posted by: edvar | December 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Are the skins better off than this time last season?

Last season:
They didn't know who the starting QB or RB were going to be....Dito

They had issues with the O line and D line....Dito

The headcoach made questionable dicisions...Dito

The offense was anemic....Dito

The defense was suspect....Dito

There were alot of questions going into the offseason....Dito

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the real story to date is that the team seems to sliding backwards in terms of performance and execution on both sides of teh ball.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 8, 2010 3:18 PM

Aside from having four different players fumble on sunday, I didn't see any slide backwards in performance or execution.

The redskins converted over 40% of their third downs. That is an advancement.

McNabb had time to stand in the pocket even in obvious passing situations, and this was against a D-line that has been dominating teams this season. That is an advancement.

Our RBs averaged 5.8 (K. Williams) and 4.4 (J. Davis) yards per carry. That is an advancement.

The Giants only converted 20% of their third downs. That is an advancement.

Of the Giants 8 second half drives, 6 resulted in punts. None was any longer than 5 plays. Their only two 2nd half scores were the result of them having excellent field position due to a turnover and blocked punt. That is an advancement.

Yes, our run defense sucked in the first half, and yes, the turnovers killed us, but I see many things that are IMPROVING in our performance and execution.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Moe, the 21 mill was guaranteed. If they cut him, they'd of had to pay him anyway. And no one would have even traded a seventh rounder for him at that point, because then they'd a been on the hook for the current contract including all the guarantees. I give Shanahan credit on this one. He did everything he could to try to get as much production out of Haynesworth as possible without compromising his own authority. Hopefully, the skins will be able to recoup some of that bonus now and Haynesworth should be black balled from the league.

Posted by: kerrdawg | December 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Any professional negotiator will tell you the toughest negotiation will be between a person who has to win and the guy who stands on principle. Shanahan is obviously your classic insecure personality who cannot compromise in the slightest. Anything that is not 100% his way is a threat to his entire world. AH, as hard as it may be for some of you to accept, is a guy who stood on principle. He thought the team lied to him about the defense they would play last season, and he definitely thought his understanding was violated when the 3-4 was forced on him. So this thing was a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Now a functional team would have an owner who could step in and find a solution, and of course they wouldn't have a coach who puts his own ego games above the team's success. But the Skins, like the Vikings, aren't in that situation. So the once overly meddlesome owner now goes to the other extreme and allows the coach to wreck an entire season through idiotic moves. Anyone who expects this to get better is kidding themselves.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If this keeps Snyder from EVER sticking his grubby fingers into football matters again its $ well spent , far as 'Skins fans should be concerned ....

Posted by: RoidRage | December 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not defending AH as a person I'm defending the abysmal lack of talent on the skins' roster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 8, 2010 4:18 PM

A statement worthy of it's author if ever there was one. The abysmal lack of talent thanks you for your support.

If you recognize that the team isn't talented enough, why harp on every move Shanahan has made since OTA's? Kissing Haynesworth's arse, like you seem to think he should've, would've helped this unit, how?

If the team isn't more talented next season, and/or fully ready to be competitive on opening day 2012, we will all have a beef with Shanahan/Allen. Until then it's just premature nattering by impatient fans who think cynicism is the way to sound smart....or in your case, to feel important for a few minutes.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins aren't eliminated from the playoffs until:

Either they lose a game OR:

1) Either the Giants or Eagles win 10 games

AND

2) If one of the Saints, Buccs or Seahawks win 10 games

AND

3) The Bears and the Packers both win ten games

OR

There are two teams that have 10 wins but don't become division champs.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2010 4:10 PM |

________________________________

dude???? you serious?? you've been chugging the kool aid juice too long.
Let me help you get back to reality with some of the best NFL lines in sequence...

JIM MORA : "Playoffs??!!! Playoffs??!!!, are you kidding me??!! Playoffs??!! "

KEYSHAWN JOHNSON: "C'MON MAN!!!"

STEVE SPURRIER: "5 & 11, not so good..."

FAT ALBERT HAYNES-WORTHLESS: " You won't remember Albert Haynesworth as the biggest bust ever."

Posted by: datruth21 | December 8, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Any professional negotiator will tell you the toughest negotiation will be between a person who has to win and the guy who stands on principle. Shanahan is obviously your classic insecure personality who cannot compromise in the slightest. Anything that is not 100% his way is a threat to his entire world. AH, as hard as it may be for some of you to accept, is a guy who stood on principle. He thought the team lied to him about the defense they would play last season, and he definitely thought his understanding was violated when the 3-4 was forced on him. So this thing was a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Now a functional team would have an owner who could step in and find a solution, and of course they wouldn't have a coach who puts his own ego games above the team's success. But the Skins, like the Vikings, aren't in that situation. So the once overly meddlesome owner now goes to the other extreme and allows the coach to wreck an entire season through idiotic moves. Anyone who expects this to get better is kidding themselves.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 8, 2010 4:39 PM

As a professional negotiator, I can tell you I'd never tell you anything like that. Why? Because I'm a professional negotiator and I wouldn't want you to have the upper hand. Now I would call you an idiot. I'd do that just to rile you and throw you off your game. That's how I get the upper hand. Also, it's true.

Posted by: MrChip1 | December 8, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that there are people stupid enough to try to defend Haynesworth and to blame Shanahan.

by beep-beep
~~~
There are people who feel exactly the opposite and guess what....both camps are wrong because both camps are thinking in absolutes and you just can't think in absolutes concerning a personality conflict.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 8, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

AH, as hard as it may be for some of you to accept, is a guy who stood on principle.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 8, 2010 4:39 PM

That is absolute BS! The ONLY way that could be true is if Fat Albert had declined the 21 million dollar bonus and asked to be released. As soon as he accepted that bonus, that principle is compromised. Accepting a huge salary and then not living up to contractual obligations is in no way a principled position.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 8, 2010 4:39 PM

so riddle me this, since you mentioned ah & principle in the same sentence. if ah is so principled, why did he take the 20 mil check when he knew he was going to play the nose if he did?

Posted by: zatoichi77 | December 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Aside from having four different players fumble on sunday, I didn't see any slide backwards in performance or execution.

The redskins converted over 40% of their third downs. That is an advancement.

McNabb had time to stand in the pocket even in obvious passing situations, and this was against a D-line that has been dominating teams this season. That is an advancement.

Our RBs averaged 5.8 (K. Williams) and 4.4 (J. Davis) yards per carry. That is an advancement.

The Giants only converted 20% of their third downs. That is an advancement.

Of the Giants 8 second half drives, 6 resulted in punts. None was any longer than 5 plays. Their only two 2nd half scores were the result of them having excellent field position due to a turnover and blocked punt. That is an advancement.

Yes, our run defense sucked in the first half, and yes, the turnovers killed us, but I see many things that are IMPROVING in our performance and execution.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 4:36 PM

Kass - This is all a bunch of junk.

Aside from 4 fumbles? Yeah great, but WE HAD 4 fumbles (and a blocked punt), can't just ignore that.

The rest of it's even easier to explain. The game was over early in the second quarter - just like in our last division game against Philly, so the Gina's just phoned it in the rest of the way.

And in doing so, they still managed to hang 31 points on us. Our furious response was one touchdown - after they were tail lights and exhaust disappearing off in the distance.

What improvement did you see in us getting crushed before halftime once again?

I love the optimism, but I think we should give the rose colored glasses a rest.

Posted by: edvar | December 8, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Shanny's mistakes over Danny-boy's mistakes ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Shanny's a proven winner, and Danny's a proven overspending loser. The whole Fat Albert problem was here BEFORE Shanny was; this was a Danny/Vinny mistake all along, and Shanny has just cut the tumor off the body so that we can move on and get better as a team...

Posted by: gr8day4bsbll | December 8, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

AH, as hard as it may be for some of you to accept, is a guy who stood on principle.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | December 8, 2010 4:39 PM

That is absolute BS! The ONLY way that could be true is if Fat Albert had declined the 21 million dollar bonus and asked to be released. As soon as he accepted that bonus, that principle is compromised. Accepting a huge salary and then not living up to contractual obligations is in no way a principled position.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 8, 2010 4:59 PM

Oddly enough...co-sign.

Posted by: edvar | December 8, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I see coach Andy Reid and his quarterback Michael Vick have spoken up about the season long late and dirty hits that Vick take, saying he just wants to be treated like other quarterbacks and has the official call the penalty. Same thing is happening all season to Mike Shanahans quarterback and he our coach will stay silent as a mouse. Great move mister Snyder.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | December 8, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"...but Mike, the change in direction should've been made, say, before April 1st this year when AH was due $21 million.

Then, you could've gotten the picks you wanted and been rid of the headache that dominates the headlines now."

No he couldn't. The Redskins were contractually obligated to pay him that money. What Shanahan did was offer to make AH a free agent in return for not accepting the $21 million. He would be free to negotiate with any club that wanted him but unfortunately the $21 mil was too tempting to pass up.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | December 8, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

EA SPORTS ANNOUNCES NEW FOOTBALL SIM GAME

According to sources close to EA Sports, the premiere computer sports game simulator company in the world, EA Sports will announce a new football game to dovetail with its famous Madden series.

GRAND THEFT FOOTBALL will feature enhanced algorithms to allow athlete greed, sloth, and selfishness into the player profiles. The 2011 edition will feature Albert Haynesworth as the "cover chub" and you'll learn much about tailoring players on teams to insert the intangible qualities that make football simulations to date so unrealistic - they assume too much on physical qualities while ignoring brain farts and questionable characters.

"We've never had an athlete score 0 in character and team concept and a 100 in laziness before, but Haynesworth has all those qualities. Factor in greed, stupidity, lack of common sense, acting ability to flop and fake injuries, this player has all the qualities you wish your opponent had in manifold amounts," noted the EA Sport spokesperson.

As an enticement to roll out Madden 2011, Grand Theft Football will be paired at a special discount though GTF will work with the last two versions of Madden's Sims.

Look for other football simulation addons as incompetent ownership and potential facelift disasters could be added in the future sims.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

EA SPORTS ANNOUNCES NEW FOOTBALL SIM GAME

According to sources close to EA Sports, the premiere computer sports game simulator company in the world, EA Sports will announce a new football game to dovetail with its famous Madden series.

GRAND THEFT FOOTBALL will feature enhanced algorithms to allow athlete greed, sloth, and selfishness into the player profiles. The 2011 edition will feature Albert Haynesworth as the "cover chub" and you'll learn much about tailoring players on teams to insert the intangible qualities that make football simulations to date so unrealistic - they assume too much on physical qualities while ignoring brain farts and questionable characters.

"We've never had an athlete score 0 in character and team concept and a 100 in laziness before, but Haynesworth has all those qualities. Factor in greed, stupidity, lack of common sense, acting ability to flop and fake injuries, this player has all the qualities you wish your opponent had in manifold amounts," noted the EA Sport spokesperson.

As an enticement to roll out Madden 2011, Grand Theft Football will be paired at a special discount though GTF will work with the last two versions of Madden's Sims.

Look for other football simulation addons as incompetent ownership and potential facelift disasters could be added in the future sims.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

What's a sim?

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 9, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I mean, if somebody told me they will give me 21 million dollars and that I'll have to promise to live happily ever after...

I mean, that's a lot of money. OK, so, I didn't fulfill my obligation. But it's 21 million dollars.

I mean, Haynesworth is a top notch Piece of S., no doubt about it, but you cant go around asking people if they're sure they want this 21 million dollar check. I mean, thats a lot of money to turn down on principle.

That's a lot of money.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 9, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I see coach Andy Reid and his quarterback Michael Vick have spoken up about the season long late and dirty hits that Vick take, saying he just wants to be treated like other quarterbacks and has the official call the penalty. Same thing is happening all season to Mike Shanahans quarterback and he our coach will stay silent as a mouse. Great move mister Snyder.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | December 8, 2010 5:35 PM |

Yeah, Vick... I really wouldn't mind seeing him paralyzed on the field. Not my kind of guy, I guess.

I remember Jason Campbell used to take some wicked hits and look at the ref... Ref would just look away.

It all comes with sucking. We suck, our players suck, so, what the heck? It's not like their smacking Tom "I'm So Sexy" Brady!

I think they're going to come out with a new rule next season that Brady can no longer be tackled. You have to gently pick him up, caress his hair, give him a massage, and place him gently down on one knee. That will constitute a sack.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 9, 2010 4:59 AM | Report abuse

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