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Skins alumni pile on Haynesworth

There was no free agency for many of the former Redskins players at Thursday's alumni event during the team's final minicamp practice, Nor were there bonuses worth millions of dollars.

So it took very little for the alums to transition from praising the Redskins new front office for setting up the event to slamming the player currently at odds with those same executives: defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

Players ripped the star tackle for his attitude and his lack of commitment and did not hesitate to suggest how the team should handle him.

"My two cents worth: Albert Haynesworth needs to get his ass out of town and go somewhere else," said kicker Mark Moseley, the 1982 NFL MVP. "And I think if the Redskins could do that, they would do that. I don't know the background of all of it, the money parts of it, but when you have a player like that that is that disgruntled, get him out of here. He's a cancer to these guys."

"These guys here today are the players that want to play," Moseley continued, nodding toward the practice field. "They're the players that deserve to play and when you have a player like that, I don't care how much money he makes it's not worth having a disgruntled player in here to spread cancer among the team."

Moseley said it was frustrating for former players to see a current star hold out of camp when he has been given $26 million in bonuses after just one season with a team.

Former running back Ricky Ervins, sporting several championship rings, was among the most vocal of the former players. It took just hearing the start of Haynesworth's name for the former Redskin to tee off.

"They should fine him every time he's not here because that is so selfish," he said. "Bottom line. You get paid all this money, I don't care if they ask you to play a 5-6 or a 29, you be in there playing because you do it for your team, you're taking one for your team. ...If you're an athlete and you're talented you can adjust. That's the bottom line."

Ervins wasn't done.

"It's a team game, bro. I heard he just got his check on April 1. He's not here and this is mandatory. I can understand when you don't come to OTAs because it's not mandatory. Okay, great. But when it's mandatory, you gotta be here and he's not here? You've got to find someway to recoup some of that money, fine him when he's not here. I'm talking $100,000 when he's not here."

Asked if it says something that a team leader spoke out, Ervins came back with a resounding 'yes.'

Linebacker London Fletcher's comments speak "for everybody, coaches, administration probably, everybody because he's letting the team down. Because this is a team sport, it ain't track and field when you in there running the 100 by yourself. This is a team sport and we need everybody to make this work."

Even Hall of Fame wide receiver Art Monk, never one to talk his way into anything -certainly not into controversy-weighed in when asked about the situation.

"I don't want to get into all that, but he made a commitment to this team and he needs to honor his commitment," Monk said. "Whether he likes it or not he made a commitment. He should be man enough to do that."

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 17, 2010; 6:25 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Comments

#81 - Awesome!

Posted by: COskins | June 17, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

do it! Do It! DO IT!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

don't know what that meant... just get an adrenaline rush hearing the "old-timers" sound off on this one.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

There really aren't 2 sides to this issue, so it's easy to take a stand on this one.

Most people would probably feeling just a little bit guilty agreeing to a contract, cashing a $21M paycheck and then immediately skipping work.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 17, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk doesn't need to say much to say a lot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

jeez Mack, I musta missed your comment. But kudos to you for being so incredibly accurate, 'cept for that time stamp thing, of course ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 3:42 PM

Thanks Z. As for the time stamp, you can't be right about everything. Now if you, Red and anyone else I named (can't remember, it was so long ago) wanna make good on that bet, I take paypal, certified checks, whatever is easiest.

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 6:19 PM

Just as long as you got most of it right, the backdating thing doesn't matter, especially if the check clears.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

There really aren't 2 sides to this issue, so it's easy to take a stand on this one.

Posted by: Alan4

Co-sign

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

And while DH23 is crying about how everybody will be on Fatboy's jock if he comes back,lets see what he says the first time we play the Gints and Fatass none knowing the defense ass jumps inside intead of outside on a stunt and leaves DH23 1 on 1 with Brandon Jacobs.I'll bet he STFU then.

Posted by: smittdiddy | June 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

as frak so eloquently put it: this ain't over til Fat Boy sings

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"I don't want to get into all that, but he made a commitment to this team and he needs to honor his commitment," Monk said. "Whether he likes it or not he made a commitment. He should be man enough to do that."

Dammmmmmmmmmnnn Art!

Seriously, when Art Monk calls you out then you know you've done something wrong!

That's really saying something.

Wow.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 17, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

just curious, no good answer here but pure speculation.

Sir Albert has been called out by team-mates, former 'skins players, fans, coaches, management, ownership, media, etc... in fact, the whole situation could work pretty well as a quip in a presidential address at some point. not sure it rises to the level of a SNL skit.

how much do you think he is listening to the sound and fury?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

And while DH23 is crying about how everybody will be on Fatboy's jock if he comes back,lets see what he says the first time we play the Gints and Fatass none knowing the defense ass jumps inside intead of outside on a stunt and leaves DH23 1 on 1 with Brandon Jacobs.I'll bet he STFU then.

Posted by: smittdiddy | June 17, 2010 6:57 PM

Don't know if he'll STFU, but he'll definitely whiff on the tackle

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

again and again, wow.

more from Monk at ESPN, this time on ownership/management... would love to hear the complete transcripts of these interviews:

"...Monk and other alumni told stories about ex-players being asked to leave when they'd visit Redskins Park, and how the ties that were there under former owner Jack Kent Cooke just weren't there anymore."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5299036

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Z he will whiff on the tackle and then STFU.

Posted by: smittdiddy | June 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

# 81 you are my hero....Redskin nation is lucky to have you.

Posted by: wewbank1 | June 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 6:19 PM

I'll give you a Johnny Rockets hamburger meal for actually inspiring me to look through the archives and double-check zeke's handiwork:

http://www.atlantadowntown.com/_files/images/johnny-rockets.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 6:23 PM |

Come on moo, you should know bull when you see it. I'll pass on the Danny Burger. But I do like the steak porn you were posting a while ago. Maybe something in a dry aged ribeye?

You know when Art Monk calls you out the problem is you.

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I think an NFL HOFer just called Albert a woman.

Didn't know women could impregnate strippers.

Posted by: Keiser | June 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk has always been the epitome of class. I'm putting on my #81 jersey as we speak.

Posted by: sfchil | June 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

and here's an astonishingly naive perspective, from somone looking to generate some controversy and pad his own stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=hruby/100617

makes Wilbon proud.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I was at home, watching the HOF ceremony, giving #81 the same standing o he got from the crowd in Canton.

I really never understood the aversion Vinny and perhaps Danny had, to this team's history. Its petty thinking. Every team has to carve out their own identity, but its healthy to know you are part of something larger.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

sorry mack, thought an ownership-themed meal would be a propos this evening...

tried searching for what you wanted, but this was the best alternative I could find:

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/man-boobs.jpg

when dining gratis at a fine establishment, please refrain from questioning the chef.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I think an NFL HOFer just called Albert a woman.

Didn't know women could impregnate strippers.

Posted by: Keiser

oh yeah. And you can get a girl knocked up with the back door thing, too. Use that approach if you want the kid to become a lawyer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Was Dave Butz there? If so give him some pads and let him get at it he can fill fat al's spot... JK, but one can dream... but it does mean something that these guys are around, they can help the current guys understand what it means to be a winner.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | June 17, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Moo on second thought I'll take the Danny Burger. (What's up with the nipple ring? Do you suppose that happened prior to the cruel hormonal betrayal? Because if he had it done afterward I've got to question why you'd want to draw the eye there.)

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

sorry mack, thought an ownership-themed meal would be a propos this evening...

tried searching for what you wanted, but this was the best alternative I could find:

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/man-boobs.jpg

when dining gratis at a fine establishment, please refrain from questioning the chef.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

On the downside, it may take a while to shed that image. On the upside, I won't be able to eat for a week and the weight loss will do me good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

honestly mack, couldn't find much else.

this analogy might not be universal, and I respect alternative lifestyles... but here is my personal position:

Johnny Rockets : dry aged steak :: man boobs : the real thing

on account of your well-earned yields from a brief fishing trip, instead we can serve this colossal tower of sushi:

http://centralpasushi.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/1434534025_d575409fc8.jpg

g'night all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The more we hear though, the more I think zcezcest is on to something about the 3-4 issue being a cover for something deeper.

Posted by: craig81 | June 17, 2010 5:55 PM
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How about this?

Fat Al just is using whatever his usual complaints are ("I don't like Blaches 4-3! They're not using me right! I know what's best for me to keep me at my peak, they don't! I don't like the 3-4!") to set up his original plan, to get his big bonus, then don't show up and be traded. Get traded, decide to retire, and walk off into the sunset with the $$$ to his newly formed business, "Fat Al's Pemmican Burgers", which will be run by his ex-wife, his baby mama, his car wreck victim(s), and a Dallas Cowboy. Future victims will be awarded franchises in lieu of damages.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Goodnight Moo

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I was at Monk's Hall of Fame induction, and it was one of the best days of my life. He was not only a great player, but is a great man.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is he reminds me of my parents in the sense that it always bothered me a lot more when they said they were disappointed with me than when they said they were angry with me. It sounds like Albert has disappointed Monk, which angers me even more!

Posted by: baskert | June 17, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

danny boy should call the cops n get his fat ass arrested for grand theft..

Posted by: cboyhater | June 17, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

You know you have really messed up when Art Monk says something against it. By the way, I love this alumni bowling game idea.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm big on family, especially when family rallies together in time of turmoil.

This bowl-a-rama is to show that Haynesworth is now considered an outsider.... And I couldn't express how much I like the fact!

And whether Albert likes it or not he's a Redskin. Now he gets to witness the 'Skins family and what it means to be in the Redskins fraternity.


I wish they could just blackball his fat ass and everyone would forget about this class-A deuche forever and a day. F Haynesworth with a garden rake.

The raking end.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Me-angelo Hall is the only one supportive of Haynesnotworthit. Hall is a punk & has no business speaking on behalf of this loser. I'd like to see him go wherever Haynesworth ends up. Preferably out of football.

Posted by: RedskinsNow | June 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

how much do you think he is listening to the sound and fury?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

He's not listening at all because he's thinking I got my money and got over on Dan Snyder. He clearly has no concern about the team or doing the right thing.

Posted by: RedskinsNow | June 17, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

apologies for checking back in.

but stumbled across something that reminded me this type of dynamic goes a long way toward explaining AH shenanigans:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/17/when-jim-zorn-was-coach-clinton-portis-wanted-out-of-dc/

we've gone to an extreme edge with AH and Shanahan, but it doesn't sound very different from CP and Zorn...

or any of the classic debates in the history of interpersonal relationships:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9edh_aretha-franklin-respect-live-1967_music

both sides want it, and sometimes neither wants to give it.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 17, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Virginia man says he's on verge of Bigfoot discovery.


Glad I'm from Northern Virginia.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

OK, let's look at this from the contract point of view (most likely the view of Chad Speck):

AH signed a contract in February 2009 that said he is entitled to $100M, $41M guaranteed, including a $21M guaranteed bonus in April 2010. In addition, according to him and his agent, part of the agreement was that he would play defensive tackle in a 4-3 and his role in the 4-3 would be as an upfield passrusher. This part of the contract was oral. Oral contracts are enforceable if they can be proven, and also if the written contract does not have an integration clause saying that no other representations (oral or written) are valid or enforceable, and of course if the agreement is not superseded by another contract.

When April 2010 rolls around, from AH's point of view, under the contract he is due the $21M bonus and, also under the contract, he is entitled to play defensive tackle in a 4-3 and his role in the 4-3 would be as an upfield passrusher. He still is entitled to both. The Redskins, specifically MS, can't come along now and say that they will release him and keep the $21M or they will pay him the $21M but they can play him whereever they want. That is changing the deal, and AH doesn't have to agree to that. It is possible that under the contract the $21M was guaranteed even if they released him.

So, we would have to look at and interpret the contract before we can say anything about what is legally right. Was there an oral representation? Was there an integration clause? Was the $21M actually guaranteed? Did MS actually try to change the deal? A number of reports have mentioned that he restructured his contract on March 12, 2010. That may affect the analysis. Did the March 12 restructuring deal with these issues in the underlying agreement?

Under this analysis the fact that he is making a great deal of money is likely irrelevant. AH said at the time of his signing that Tampa offered him more money and he took less with the Skins because of what they were going to allow him to do, so it sounds like that was indeed very important to him. What that shows is that it doesn't matter that $100M is a huge amount of money, he gave up a lot more than $100M to get the 4-3 deal.

So whatever you think about AH's behavior as a team player, he may be well within his contract rights. He also may be correct morally (not always the same thing). The question AH has had to answer to himself is, since the Redskins breached the contract (in his view) by not playing him in the 4-3 role he likes, does he tell himself that that's ok because he is being paid a lot and so he should just suck it up, or does he force the issue? What would you do if you took a job for a certain salary and then they changed some of the fundamental job duties from the exciting and interesting tasks that get all the credit to boring and painful tasks that get no credit? Do you suck it up, or do you address the issue?

Posted by: AllTheWay1 | June 17, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Not shocking Portis wanted out of D.C. when Zorn was head coach. How could you be possibly be motivated when you have a jackass like Zorn as the head coach, you know, the leader of the team?


I've always thought that concussion wasn't enough to keep him out the rest of the 2009 season.

Dude knew this team wasn't going ANYWHERE with Zorn as the head coach. He was probably "instructed" to just sit out the rest of the season.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I love Art Monk. What he said, speaks volumes. Fat Albert is not man because he is not showing up is basically what Monk meant! I love it.

Posted by: Skine4Life | June 17, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I love Art Monk. What he said, speaks volumes. Fat Albert is not a man because he is not showing up is basically what Monk meant! I love it.

Posted by: Skine4Life | June 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I love Art Monk. What he said, speaks volumes. Fat Albert is not a man because he is not showing up is basically what Monk meant! I love it.

Posted by: Skine4Life | June 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Skins alumni pile on Haynesworth"


It's always good to hear from the grown folks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

AllTheWay1. I have never seen a professionally drafted contract that didn't have a clause saying the written version is the entire agreement and replaces any oral statements. And nobody believes that Tampa Bay offered him more. What AH says is the truth, may not be. Treat management's version skeptically, too, if you want. Either way, AH doesn't come off looking good.

Posted by: StevenGrossman | June 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"He (Portis) probably "instructed" to just sit out the rest of the season.


I don't doubt this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The hypocrisy of Art Monk knows no bounds:
"... he made a commitment to this team and he needs to honor his commitment. Whether he likes it or not he made a commitment. He should be man enough to do that." -- Art Monk

Really, Art? I seem to remember a certain football camp you held in Bridgewater, VA, where a young boy saved for 2 years to be able to pay the absurd tuition to attend because his favorite player of all time, Art Monk, would be there all week long... and what happened? You left after the 1st day to attend a wedding. I can get leaving for one day or two for a wedding, but the whole week? I wish YOU, Art, were man enough to honor YOUR commitment that summer.
I should note that all the other 'skins that were at the camp such as B. Mitch, Raleigh Mac, Danny Copeland, and others were truly great and I will always remember THEM.

I love the Redskins, always will.
But you broke my heart, Art. YOU BROKE MY HEART!

(I know, 'whaa whaa' on my part. Feel free to pile on and explain that one anecdote does not reveal the true character of a supposed good guy like Monk and blah blah blah. Fair enough... but it drives me crazy to hear Monk with his 'holier than thou' act)

Posted by: jgarrisn | June 17, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Awesome day. World Cup at 7:30 am, Tiger still playing US Open at 9 pm, NBAmbien Finals to put me to sleep.

And F multi-millionaire quitters.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

There really aren't 2 sides to this issue, so it's easy to take a stand on this one.

Posted by: Alan4

Co-sign

Posted by: zcezcest1

This is a football blog, not trigonometry

Posted by: TheCork | June 17, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It was a Jenny Craig blog until The Biggest Loser failed to show up.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

There is no way that AH can ignore the fact that millions of people now hate him.
These include: team mates, many other peers within his profession, the organization that employs him, people in the media, et al.
I don't care who you are; the pressure this puts on you, and the enormity to which your plan has backfired, has got to make you hate yourself.
I think AH will be eating crow pretty soon and will be making some changes like firing his agent.
All he has accomplished is making sure his career is now permanently damaged, and perhaps unsalvageable; given that if he just would have "played ball" instead of trying to shaft his team, he would be rich and have unlimited potential to be as good as he wanted to be.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 17, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

81 LOUD!!

Posted by: DLESMonday | June 17, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

jgarrisn - I won't pile on, but I will agree with you that Danny Copeland was a great dude.

Posted by: baskert | June 17, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The hypocrisy of Art Monk knows no bounds:
"... he made a commitment to this team and he needs to honor his commitment. Whether he likes it or not he made a commitment. He should be man enough to do that." -- Art Monk

Really, Art? I seem to remember a certain football camp you held in Bridgewater, VA, where a young boy saved for 2 years to be able to pay the absurd tuition to attend because his favorite player of all time, Art Monk, would be there all week long... and what happened? You left after the 1st day to attend a wedding. I can get leaving for one day or two for a wedding, but the whole week? I wish YOU, Art, were man enough to honor YOUR commitment that summer.
I should note that all the other 'skins that were at the camp such as B. Mitch, Raleigh Mac, Danny Copeland, and others were truly great and I will always remember THEM.

I love the Redskins, always will.
But you broke my heart, Art. YOU BROKE MY HEART!

(I know, 'whaa whaa' on my part. Feel free to pile on and explain that one anecdote does not reveal the true character of a supposed good guy like Monk and blah blah blah. Fair enough... but it drives me crazy to hear Monk with his 'holier than thou' act)

Posted by: jgarrisn | June 17, 2010 9:15 PM


Dude, I'm pretty sure Art didn't know about this, I can attest to his character, I'm also sure if you "email" him about this, he will apologize. Better yet, on his behalf,I hope you will forgive, remember he had to leave for a wedding which is also quite important,also he left you guys with good replacements in the likes of B. Mitch, Raleigh Mac, Danny Copeland etc. Enough said. HTTR

Posted by: abxinc | June 17, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The hypocrisy of Art Monk knows no bounds:
"... he made a commitment to this team and he needs to honor his commitment. Whether he likes it or not he made a commitment. He should be man enough to do that." -- Art Monk

Really, Art? I seem to remember a certain football camp you held in Bridgewater, VA, where a young boy saved for 2 years to be able to pay the absurd tuition to attend because his favorite player of all time, Art Monk, would be there all week long... and what happened? You left after the 1st day to attend a wedding. I can get leaving for one day or two for a wedding, but the whole week? I wish YOU, Art, were man enough to honor YOUR commitment that summer.
I should note that all the other 'skins that were at the camp such as B. Mitch, Raleigh Mac, Danny Copeland, and others were truly great and I will always remember THEM.

I love the Redskins, always will.
But you broke my heart, Art. YOU BROKE MY HEART!

(I know, 'whaa whaa' on my part. Feel free to pile on and explain that one anecdote does not reveal the true character of a supposed good guy like Monk and blah blah blah. Fair enough... but it drives me crazy to hear Monk with his 'holier than thou' act)

Posted by: jgarrisn | June 17, 2010 9:15 PM
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I won't pile on, either.

These guys, no matter how much class they have, are human. But, on the bell curve of players, where the lower end of scumdom is eternally occupied by Fat Bert, Art Monk is well toward the other end of the curve.

Think Fat Bert would have even held a camp?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever consider that Fat Albert might just be a sociopath? He simply might not care at all what people think or say about him. He only does what he thinks benefits him, only cares about doing what he wants to do, seems to have no regard for the consequences of his actions, says whatever he feels is neccesary to justify his actions, trys to put the blame on anybody but him. Could I be on to something?

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 17, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

another total debacle headed up by the mgmt and blamed on a player.

the guy doesn't want to play in a 3-4, everyone knew that, the guy is greedy and selfish, everyone knew that

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 17, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

When Art Monk, Ricky Ervins, and Mark Mosely speak up - 6 SB rings among them - that's all you need to know. I wanted to see Big Al become another storied 'skin but it can't happen when he's taking the money and running away.

Get him gone. Get him out. He doesn't deserve to wear the colors.

Posted by: cerebus-72 | June 17, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Skins fan since I was born. I remember watching Billy K, Sonny, losing to the Cowboys in 79 and missing the playoffs...I've seen it all. So, when I finally had the chance to come back to DC and visit family last year, I knew I needed a new Skins jersey to show off in Australia.

The unfortunate thing about this is, when I had my choice of jersey, I chose "Butterworth"!?!?!?! Yeah, I know, I could've chosen Fletch's, Cooley's, but I thought "Hey, this guy is tied to us for 7 years, he won't go anywhere".

How little did I know. What a waste.

Posted by: briandownunder | June 17, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Skins fan since I was born. I remember watching Billy K, Sonny, losing to the Cowboys in 79 and missing the playoffs...I've seen it all. So, when I finally had the chance to come back to DC and visit family last year, I knew I needed a new Skins jersey to show off in Australia.

The unfortunate thing about this is, when I had my choice of jersey, I chose "Butterworth"!?!?!?! Yeah, I know, I could've chosen Fletch's, Cooley's, but I thought "Hey, this guy is tied to us for 7 years, he won't go anywhere".

How little did I know. What a waste.

Posted by: briandownunder | June 17, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, but I wouldn't call him a sociopath. That kind of depends on if he kills anyone as a consequence of this situation, I would think. More of a narcissist, and I have heard borderline bipolar used, as well.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert has probably screwed up future contract negotiations for almost every player in the NFL.
"I'm sorry, but we just can't offer any guaranteed money to your client. How do we know that your client wont pull a Hanesworth?"
Those words will probably be heard by every agent who represents an NFL player.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 17, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

True dat, Cheese!

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Can I just mention what a duche LaVar is. On a day where the organization extends open arms to alumni in an attempt to build a bridge of communication, he decides to hold onto his pettiness and not go. In addition, on this day of reconcile, he allows a player from another team to trash the organization,and former and present players. LaVar nearly creams over those comments. I guess when he builds his radio audience on bashing the Redskins and its players, he has to continue to feed the beast. What an arse.

Posted by: TWISI | June 17, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

This whole fiasco is a watershed event for our beloved Skins.

The landscape is shifting as if we were in Southern California - NFL-wide (see kaasmaster's comment)

LaVar is further marginalizing himself, although he has stated nothing less than a face to face discussion with Danny would clear the air.

Riggins should have his show. At least he has brought home the bacon.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AllTheWay1 | June 17, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

This part of the contract was oral. Oral contracts are enforceable...
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Yeah, so was the one with my ex-wife.
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So whatever you think about AH's behavior as a team player, he may be well within his contract rights. He also may be correct morally (not always the same thing).
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He is neither, but thanks for playing.
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In addition, according to him and his agent, part of the agreement was that he would play defensive tackle in a 4-3 and his role in the 4-3 would be as an upfield passrusher. This part of the contract was oral.
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So was mine, but she still got half the house, without living up to her oral agreement.
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Under this analysis the fact that he is making a great deal of money is likely irrelevant. AH said at the time of his signing that Tampa offered him more money and he took less with the Skins because of what they were going to allow him to do, so it sounds like that was indeed very important to him.
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Yet he said he didn't like the 4-3 he was in. Then he whined about the new defense which he called a 3-4 without ever having seen a playbook or a day of exposure to what his role would be. By his absence from team activities, he had no clue about his role.
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Do you suck it up, or do you address the issue?
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Ironically, that is exactly what I asked.
But I found out that the parameters of the job had, indeed, changed. She was a defensive end and I couldn't nose tackle her. And she wouldn't nose tackle me.

So, what? You L1, or L2?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

It also occurs to me that Alberts actions probably will hurt the NFLPA in their attempt to negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement with the owners. The owners will surely want to increase what they can recoup from any player that tries to attempt anything like this in the future. Players all over the league need to consider what Fat A-hole is doing to hurt their future. He is setting a VERY bad precedent for all of them, and couldn't have picked a worse year to do it.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 17, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 17, 2010 11:39 PM |

You got it. The union will have to defend him, while killing their future collective bargaining, because the owners will point to Fat Bert.

It will be interesting the see if they send the junior partner of the most juniorest firm (like AllTheWay1) to defend him in his specific claim and hope he goes down.

He is so far out in the stealing and hoping he can retire with megabucks, that even the union will have to hold its nose while saying he's in the right.

I'm telling your, Fat Bert is going down as historical figure, but not in the Hall of Fame, as he professes he would like.

He is going to nail the NFLPA and all of his teammates on the Skins.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKEEEEEERRRRRSSSS!!!!!!!

Posted by: TWISI | June 17, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

19/18 (9 off/9 def)/4 and 2 BS = best big in the game. Beeee-ches.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

You gotta say, Phil Jackson has done more with different pieces to win NBA Championship Chess than anybody else...peaceout and May The Force Be With You...

Posted by: frak | June 17, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting the see if they send the junior partner of the most juniorest firm (like AllTheWay1) to defend him in his specific claim and hope he goes down.

Posted by: CynicalFan1

He'll be lucky if they send the janitor to defend him.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 18, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Yikes.... 20 more FTAs for the Lakers AGAIN? It was a good game until the refs took over in the 4th...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 18, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Bet BTG is going to be cranky.

Last NBA post by me (no promises, like to Fat Bert), cause NBA is not NFL.

It is no doubt the refs' fault.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 18, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

So do the majority of Laker fans also root for the Yankees and Cowboys?

Front running sons of b1tches..

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 18, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 18, 2010 12:07 AM

Please. Give it rest.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

jgarrisn was that camp full of whiners? That might be one reason why he blew it off.

Posted by: mack1 | June 18, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Zeke-

Interesting log of archived posts. I wish I would have saved my numerous anti AH signing posts and subsequent "discussions" with others. Still laugh at those that wanted to credit all of the success of 98 &99 to a guy that played 25 snaps per game. In fact that was the exact plays per game stat I used for AH during the signing and was unsuccessfully challenged on..

F Albert

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 18, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I am having trouble finding the records.
How can we help our brethren rebrand their AH jerseys.

Who else in the history of Redskins-land had #92, so they can use duct tape and magic markers?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 18, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Still laugh at those that wanted to credit all of the success of 98 &99 to a guy that played 25 snaps per game.

Posted by: Diesel44

With you on that one! I seem to remember that Orakpo got more sacks in games that Fat A-hole didn't play.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 18, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

19/18 (9 off/9 def)/4 and 2 BS = best big in the game. Beeee-ches.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse


You know that old conundrum: What happens when an unstoppable force collides with an immovable object?

Well, I've got a new one for you: What happens when a team that can't hit a shot plays a team that can't get a rebound?

The answer is: One of the crappiest suckiest Game 7s, I've ever seen.

WTH?

If there were any justice in the world, neither team would get the trophy as punishment for that sorry excuse of a pro game.

I was tempted to start youtube-ing Tim Duncan highlights just to get excited about an NBA Finals.

When the offensive star of the game is Ron Artest, you need to just quietly collect your things from your locker and leave through the side door of the stadium and act like nothing happened.

VERY disappointing...just when this series was starting to get me to believe in the pro game again...ugh...

Posted by: p1funk | June 18, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

He is going to nail the NFLPA and all of his teammates on the Skins.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 17, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse


On the one hand Danny has to pissed at the situation.

But secretly, I think he might be fired up b/c long-term, the owners now have the poster-boy they need to screw over the NFLPA in the next collective bargaining agreement.

They couldn't have asked for a more perfect situation to unfold to illustrate the dangers of guaranteed bonuses in the NFL.

Posted by: p1funk | June 18, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I can see the posters in every NFL locker room. A Big picture of Fat A-Hole looking glum, with the words "Don't pull a Hanesworth!"

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 18, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Roger that, p1funk.

I hate to believe conspiracy theories, because they usually require great (and quiet) organization between a few folks.

Conspiracy or not, this is going to screw the players who wan the big bucks.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | June 18, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Let us not forget the incident when Fat Arse stomped on another player's head. We had plenty of warnings that Fat Arse was one of the lowest quality men ever to walk the face of the earth. In a world of real men, Albert is a pimple.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2610577

Posted by: laserwizard | June 18, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I hate to believe conspiracy theories, because they usually require great (and quiet) organization between a few folks.

Conspiracy or not, this is going to screw the players who wan the big bucks.

Posted by: CynicalFan1
I don't think that there's any conspiricy going on. I just think that Fat Albert chose to show what a greedy selfish bastard he is without thinking about just how much ripple effect it will have on the whole league. His timing couldn't have been worse for his fellow players (who he cares nothing about) or better for the owners. When players start to realize just how far reaching the ramifications of this are, I'll bet he'll be universally hated. He personaly screwed EVERY player in the league!

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 18, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Still laugh at those that wanted to credit all of the success of 98 &99 to a guy that played 25 snaps per game.

Posted by: Diesel44

Can't go with you on this one. Albert was a force and his play helped others succeed. He was also an underachiever. Steinbog said he played 550 plays in 12 games ... he actually played too many plays per game. Should have played about 60% to 2/3 of the plays. I think he was closer to 3/4.

Still, no excusing his behavior

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Zeke-

Feel free to give all the credit to a malcontent that was the catalyst to a D that lead a team to a 4-12 record. My point is that he never played a full season and he averaged 25 plays per game for a 16 game season. There is no qualitative stat to credit AH for the success of 98 or 99. He has averaged less than 2 tackles per game and less than 5 sacks per season for his career and everybody wants to extrapolate his impact into making a D better.

F Albert.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 18, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

CynicalFan1, Demetric Evans, maybe?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 18, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Zeke-

Feel free to give all the credit to a malcontent that was the catalyst to a D that lead a team to a 4-12 record. My point is that he never played a full season and he averaged 25 plays per game for a 16 game season. There is no qualitative stat to credit AH for the success of 98 or 99. He has averaged less than 2 tackles per game and less than 5 sacks per season for his career and everybody wants to extrapolate his impact into making a D better.

F Albert.

Posted by: Diesel44

Before last season began, I said Albert's history indicated he might play as many as 650 snaps (40 per game, over 16 games) or as few as 350 snaps (35 per game over 10 games). I figured if he played too many snaps, he became less effective.

He actually played too many snaps per game (over 45) in the games he played. Of course, this was made worse because he wasn't in the kind of shape he should have been in.

In total, he was a lot closer to the high end number of plays.

The front 7 on the defense was the only strength on this team, outside of the TE. And Albert had a big role in it.

Albert's immensely talented, but his head is messed up.

And yes, you can still hate on him all you want.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2010 2:44 AM | Report abuse

All Hail!
Everyone feels the same on this story with the exception of one person.
Hmmm. I’d like to call Mr. Hayneworth to the stand.
It’s time Mr. Haynesworth gives us his side of the story.

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 18, 2010 5:09 AM | Report abuse

Well if nothing else they now have a superordinate goal - hating Albert. Might actually have a positive effect. Maybe even worth the money to pull the team together.

Posted by: 44fx290 | June 18, 2010 5:10 AM | Report abuse

This team was coming together without AH92.
No hate I wish him the best, just somewhere else…This train is moving in the right direction now.

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 18, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse

A couple thoughts:

-Tip of the cap to Zeke for going back and rounding up a bunch of posts from most of us the day AH was signed last year. Amazing to see in print exactly how right I was about this guy from the start...

-Speaking of AH, I don't get why so many want to give this d-bag so much credit for Orakpo and Carter. I mean, Carter had the same level of production a couple years back when AH was still huffing Twinkies in Nashville. Orakpo isn't a bum...he was the best pass rusher available in last year's draft. Dude had 4 sacks on Oakland, which I'm pretty sure was a game AH didn't even play in. AH can be that disruptive force, but nobody will see him do that here because the carrot in front him (the big contract) has already been consumed.

So move on.

-Trent Williams firing his agent is HUGE for us (in a good way). I read where the guy he fired had 17 of his 18 first-round clients hold out. The LAST thing we need is a holdout from him...whomever the new guy is (probably Rosenhaus) probably gives us a better shot at getting a deal done before the start of camp.

-F the Lakers. I long for a day when the NBA enjoys the same level of parity the NFL does. We just saw the New Orleans f-ing Saints win a SB. The Aints have a trophy. You just don't see the "worst to first" stuff in the NBA.

Consider this: in the NFL, only 4 teams have never been to a SB (Browns, Texans, Jags, Lions) and two of them are fairly recent expansion teams. In the NBA, 7 teams have never been the Finals. About 4 of them are fairly recent franchises, but the NBA gives you 7 tries to win a series instead of the one shot deal you get in the NFL. I just think the NBA would enjoy a resurgence if we didn't definitively know who was gonna win the title before the season even starts.

-F Albert Haynesworth. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2010 5:47 AM | Report abuse

Almost forgot: no shock that CP wanted out when Zorn was here...hell, half the fanbase wanted out when Zorn was here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is Exhibit A in everything that is wrong with paying a guy ridiculous money for playing well in a contract year. I think if I were a GM I would be leery of guys who suddenly play better when there is a money incentive to. It stands to reason that a guy who plays well to get a big contract won't do much once he's set up with more money than he knows what to do with. Albert Haynesworth STOLE Snyders money and ripped off every Redskins fan with his selfish attitude. He's a real loser with no self respect and for all the money he now has - it won't buy him respect. The POS

Posted by: scottmando | June 18, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

I think an NFL HOFer just called Albert a woman.

Didn't know women could impregnate strippers.

Posted by: Keiser | June 17, 2010 7:26 PM |
How do you get a stripper pregnant anyway? Does AH demonstrate how bright he is when he has unprotected sex with a stripper? Really?

Posted by: pjzen | June 18, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert needs a Code Red. Big Time.

Posted by: ElSith | June 18, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

DHALL23 needs to keep his pie-hole shut. He is another overpaid diva. If he wants to keep being Altert's spokesman I suggest we cut his azz as well.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | June 18, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

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