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Posted at 8:15 PM ET, 12/ 5/2010

Teammates have muted reaction to Haynesworth

By Rick Maese

The plight of Albert Haynesworth did not seem to generate much sympathy in the Redskins' post-game locker room on Sunday.

Coach Mike Shanahan said he deactivated Haynesworth because of his practice performance last week. Following their 31-7 loss to the New York Giants, Washington players weren't in a mood to feel too sorry for Haynesworth. Many were aware that he was late to practice, a meeting and didn't give an effort Thursday that pleased coaches.

"Coach made the decision not to dress him," linebacker London Fletcher said, "so that's the decision they made."

Said linebacker Brian Orakpo: "I don't know what Albert would've done. I ain't worried about Albert. ...I don't really want to talk about it. Hopefully he can come back next week and help us next week."

Players didn't find out Haynesworth wasn't playing until they arrived at New Meadowlands Stadium on Sunday morning. Defensive end Phillip Daniels said it can become a distraction for players because "everybody starts talking about that and it takes away from what we're trying to go out there and do."

But Daniels says he still understands why coaches made their decision.

"You get to gameday and you expect guys to be ready to go out and play football. But the thing is, you have to practice well, too," he said. "You have to practice good all week to get yourself ready to go and I don't know the situation, but at the same time, he needs to be on the field."

Quarterback Donovan McNabb plays on the other side of the ball, but he didn't agree with Daniels that the drama surrounding Haynesworth distracts players in the locker room.

"I think for a lot of us, we don't pay too much attention to it," the quarterback said. "I mean, obviously you guys have a big story with it, and it's something that runs on TV 24 hours. But we really don't pay too much attention to it. Like I said early on in the season, he's a brother of ours, and he's in our locker room and we live to go to war with him. ... Coach makes a decision and that's what we have to go by."

(Here's more from Daniels on the matter: "All I know is that a lot of talk was about Albert before this game, and it could have been a distraction for a lot of guys.")

Actually, there was a bit of sympathy for Haynesworth. But it came from the other locker room. Giants linebacker Keith Bulluck was a teammate with Haynesworth in Tennessee and is also close friends with McNabb.

"Yeah, that's my dog. Albert, I spoke to Albert, it was good talking to him," Bulluck said. "You know, it's funny. He's going through something with his situation there. Donovan's going through something ...it's just one of those things. The challenge of this game, the challenge that we have as men, all three of us are the types that can attack situations and move forward positively."

By Rick Maese  | December 5, 2010; 8:15 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth  
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Posted by: TWISI | December 5, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I looked up the word 'sympathy' in the Webster dictionary, it was located between the words 'sh!t' and 'syphillis'.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 5, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Forget Philip daniels.

WTH. Why does this guy have a voice. He's a positive veteran presence in a losing lockerroom?

Do something on the field. Who gives a fat crap how well you practice and how great shape you are in.

You don't make any plays for the team when it counts and you haven't for years.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna check the Steelers defense out and see how this 3-4 will be run sometime soon in DC.

Posted by: TWISI | December 5, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess Maake Keomatu and Co. had a great week of practice and that's why they're all active.

Real nice.

200 yards rushing, 8 ypc and 4 rushing TDs.

Nice week of practice there fellas...maybe one day AH can have a solid week of practice and play as well as you guys...

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Forget Philip daniels.

WTH. Why does this guy have a voice. He's a positive veteran presence in a losing lockerroom?

Do something on the field. Who gives a fat crap how well you practice and how great shape you are in.

You don't make any plays for the team when it counts and you haven't for years.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Agreed--Im not sure why he is around.I hear he can squat 700lbs---strong as an ox. Unfortunately he is as smart as an ox and runs like an ox. Get out of town you do nothing piece of garbage...

Posted by: dpshultzfam | December 5, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Forget Philip daniels.

WTH. Why does this guy have a voice. He's a positive veteran presence in a losing lockerroom?

Do something on the field. Who gives a fat crap how well you practice and how great shape you are in.

You don't make any plays for the team when it counts and you haven't for years.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Agreed--Im not sure why he is around.I hear he can squat 700lbs---strong as an ox. Unfortunately he is as smart as an ox and runs like an ox. Get out of town you do nothing piece of garbage...

Posted by: dpshultzfam | December 5, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess the AH drama has returned. JReid will be happy, Fat Albert will continue to cash his checks, 'Skins continue to implode and the fans suffer yet again.

What I find ironic is that Zorn will in all liklihood have a better 1st year record than Team Shanahan. Have we had a coach last long enough to improve a Redskin team?

Posted by: splitbill | December 5, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, if only Big Al had been out there.

Please.

This team Fking Sucks.

And I would hereby like to emphasize to anybody who was blaming Campbell for last year's continued debacle that their football knowledge is a joke.

I told you, you idiots.

Lemme guess... you're the same people who are now talking about how Shanahan is a proven Head Coach and his system just needs time... OK. Got it. That's what Snyder says, too, so you're in good company. Sound football knowledge. Great. Just wait. Wake me when the alarm rings.

Zorn's Skins with Campbell at QB would have DEE-STROYED that blooper of a team that showed up in Jersey today.

Quinton Ganther would have gone for 100 yards.

This is the worst team in the NFL today. No doubt. They will ABSOLUTELY not win another game this year. I'd bet my ass on that. No WAY. Put a fork in 2010. Done.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 5, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Philip Daniels reaction to the AH drama wasn't at all 'muted' although his football playing was along with the rest of the 'team'.

Posted by: splitbill | December 5, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. Is this the very same Phillip Daniels that jumped offsides on a field goal attempt by the Detroit Lions after a goal line stand?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 5, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Have we had a coach last long enough to improve a Redskin team?

Posted by: splitbill | December 5, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs did.

As badly as people want to crap on Gibbs 2.0 (b/c he didn't deliver another 3 SBs), he took this team to the playoffs twice in 4 years which saying ALOT considering he had to do it while managaing Baby Huey Snyder and containing the ongoing damage of Vinny Cerrato's decisions.

Only problem is that once he stepped out of the picture and Bug Eyes took over, he managed to undo 4 years of positive team-culture in a matter of months.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Holy Noses!

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 5, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 5, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

That has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read not posted by someone named "pabrian".

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm withholding all judgment this season. Rebuilding is a slow process. These are growing pains.
And hat's off to Devin Thomas. Heck of a performance on special teams. And all it took was getting fired from two teams in less than two months. When properly motivated the kid could develop into a poor man's Lorenzo Alexander.

PS: That's not ironic splitbill.

Posted by: mack1 | December 5, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Teammates have muted reaction to Haynesworth


This is the classic contrived media firestorm.

I mean, a team gets its head handed to it on national tv, but all the local media types are worried about is a dude who spent the day on the sideline.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 5, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

F both shamans
F hazelet
F Haynesworth
F McNabb
F the dline
F phillip Buchanan
F the giants
F the Allen family
F Snyder
F me for still caring

Posted by: chrislarry | December 5, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Moe, but as bored with it as we ALL are, it's a story.

Nothing contrived about it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

F auto correct....f shanahans

Posted by: chrislarry | December 5, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This team F'king Sucks.

That's extreme.

But not debatable.

What chills is that it seems to working backward in every regard.

And you have to remember that it's present composition is the end result of whatever 'plan' the Shanahans devised.

You have to wonder if there is a way out of the way we've come.

The Tampa Bucs will show up with youth, speed, and determination: and make us wonder that perhaps junking the roster, going 3-13 a few years in a row is the only way to go.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 5, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens, meanwhile, just look so gd competent.

(I know, I know, it's called "RI.")

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

A good young Bucs team is coming to town next week.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 5, 2010 7:12 PM


I think that young Bucs team will fall to the Skins.

Reason: Skins will be looking to take out their frustrations from this week, and the Bucs will be flat after a hard-fought, heartbreaking loss today to Atlanta.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 5, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, cL, Shanahans are NOT to be confused with Shamans.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Shaman is a person who acts as intermediary between the natural and supernatural worlds, using magic to cure illness, foretell the future, control spiritual forces, win football games against divisional rivals on the road, etc.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

How many new starters does this team need? On offense I count 7. On defense I count 6. That's 13 out of 22 player. That's about 60% of the starters. It's going to take awhile for this team to get there.

Posted by: TWISI | December 5, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

AH isn't the problem. The coach is the problem.
There is more to the situation than just football. And the disgusting part is that instead of looking for ways to solve the problem, the coaching staff seems to keep the issue going.
Yeah AH isn't helping but the way this coaching staff has handled this and other personnel issues does not give me confidence that they are doing what's best for the team.

Posted by: priceisright | December 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a person who acts as a head coach to a terrible football team.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

This is the classic contrived media firestorm

Nope, sorry. It's a legit story.

The team's highest paid player - the guy that originally was signed to build their defense around - doesn't play in a critical game against a division opponent?

The media has to ask about it. It's a big story.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 5, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

This team does indeed f*cking suck and is going backwards fast.

I'm not sure the QB position has that much to do with all the sucking, or even if QB was the real problem last year.

You better believe we gotta wonder about this Coach, with the team in melt-down mode and all -- a lot like last year all the sudden.

Moe I just don't these guys in charge know how to rebuild. If they don'tk it looks like we're going to have to spend the next three years sucking big-time, playing the old "what will $nyder do" game.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 5, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens, meanwhile, just look so gd competent.

(I know, I know, it's called "RI.")

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abus

No it's called "competent front office."

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's alpha male ego that benches a player who requires double teaming by the opposing team is as much of a problem as any other issue on this team. It may of worked when he was in the Marines or had a winning record. But, he will certainly lose the player's respect if he continues to play Dictator while losing.
Could he of already conceded defeat to the Giants and wanted to use Albert as a pawn to save face for a failed season and the terrible "zero for 30" free agent acquisitions?

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Just curious priceisright how would you handle a player who:
- The year before had to be constantly carried off the field due to poor conditioning
- Who did not play particular great or dominate when he was in the game (for a team that was 4-12)
- Who refused to participate in OTAs (yes they are voluntary)to learn a new defense
- Who complained about the defense without even knowing his role
- Who skipped mandatory minicamp
- Who did not appear to be in condition when he did return
- Who doesn't really want to maintain his position but simply rush the passer
- Who has a tendency to take plays off

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Giving up two draft picks for McNabb in the offseason, benching him before bye, and then turning around and signing him to 5 year, $78m extension should be an indication that the dysfunctional FO is far from reformed. I'd venture to say that the Shanahans are not behind #05 at all, but for some reason, the FO is, or was.

Having said that, however, I'm a bit surprised McNabb hasn't been more effective as the starting QB to date -- wondering how long this lasts (him starting.)

Most def looks like he's in a funk out there.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

OK.

Now can we bring up Cooke and Capers to see if they are any good?

Posted by: edvar | December 5, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This team is now playing for draft order, 5-11 is all they will muster this year. The Defense is none exsiting and the Offense is worse. The poor excuse for and OL continues to haunt a team who knew its needs prior to the draft. McNabb is what they thought he was in Philly, and with no help at the OL he is what he is, Awful ! Another wasted Year and another wasted Sunday. Snyder is the PT Barnum of the NFL, every year he sells the same old product with the illusion of greatness. Bravo Mr Snyder, you are who we thought you were.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 5, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

So, hiw are the offseason acquisitions by the new group of Geniuses going:

RB Fast Willie--GONE
RB Johnson--GONE
QB McNabb--Ineffective
WR Galloway--GONE
ORT Brown --Ineffective (hurt)
OG Artis Hicks--Benched
DB Buchanon--Benched
DE Carriker--Adequate
NT Kemoeatu--ineffective
NT Holiday --average
WR Roydell Williams--ineffective

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: TheCork | December 5, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Very astute observation. may I suggest you downgrade Carriker to ineffective or just plan pathetic...Everything else is GM worthy on your part--Nice job!

Posted by: dpshultzfam | December 5, 2010 7:59 PM |

Oh yes, very astute. It's a typical d-bag post from a typical d-bag poster. Notice how easy it is to prove a point when you only list part of the facts. No mention of Banks, Armstrong, T. Williams, Austin, K. Williams, or R. Torain. Granted Torain has had some injuries but looked okay when in. Austin hasn't proven anything yet but you can't put him in the fail catagory. Banks, Armstrong, and T. Williams look solid and K. Williams has been decent.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

At around 12:59 PM today I had a feeling that Washington would lose to New York. At 3:59 PM today--yeah I know I couldn't look away from the train wreck--I thought dang SHANNY is a pompous a$$ because not only did have one of his best defensive player on the side line, but he cut a young Devin Thomas in favor of an ancient Joey Galloway????

Posted by: audreyelizabeth | December 5, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth "was" a dominant defensive lineman.

The 3-4 fixed that right up.

Anyone up here wiling to entertain the thought that maybe the dude was right all along about how craptastic an idea the 3-4 is, with or without him in the lineup?

huh?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Just curious priceisright how would you handle a player who:
- The year before had to be constantly carried off the field due to poor conditioning
- Who did not play particular great or dominate when he was in the game (for a team that was 4-12)
- Who refused to participate in OTAs (yes they are voluntary)to learn a new defense
- Who complained about the defense without even knowing his role
- Who skipped mandatory minicamp
- Who did not appear to be in condition when he did return
- Who doesn't really want to maintain his position but simply rush the passer
- Who has a tendency to take plays off

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 5, 2010 9:35 PM
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If he
a. makes your team better and
b. gives you a better chance to win when he plays and
c. is the highest paid defensive player in the NFL........
d. and its too late to trade or cut him..

YOU PLAY HIM.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 5, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

That has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read not posted by someone named "pabrian".

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:45 PM

Thinker is none other than that blithering idiot perineum/skinshaveaGM so I wouldn't expect too much from him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 5, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

That has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read not posted by someone named "pabrian".

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 8:45 PM

Thinker is none other than that blithering idiot perineum/skinshaveaGM/peabrain08 so I wouldn't expect too much from him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is missing a Brian Westbrook right about now, among other things.

Those screens are not nearly as effective when thrown to a Keiland Williams.

and the zone blocking thingie ain't working out to well either. The OL is simply not getting to the second level of the defense, and our wideouts are too small to help.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Now Shaun suisham is making plays. Can't wait for jreid to post on this.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 5, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan, I'm not defending AH.

But what I will say is this, a coach's job is to prepare his team to win. There are a lot of different people on a team and they are good at some things and not so good at others. A coach must be able to 'coach' up' the good and negative aspect of a player. If you can't coach a player, you can cut that player.
My point is, if the coaching staff included AH on the roster after the final cuts. After that point, the coaching staff has let go of the offseason issues and moved forward. Instead they have continued to pick the scab.....

Posted by: priceisright | December 5, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan, I'm not defending AH.

But what I will say is this, a coach's job is to prepare his team to win. There are a lot of different people on a team and they are good at some things and not so good at others. A coach must be able to 'coach' up' the good and negative aspect of a player. If you can't coach a player, you can cut that player.
My point is, if the coaching staff included AH on the roster after the final cuts. After that point, the coaching staff has let go of the offseason issues and moved forward. Instead they have continued to pick the scab.....

Posted by: priceisright | December 5, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Albert's done here.

There's no point in discussing him anymore. Everybody is gonna lose from that deal. Just take a shower and move on...

Posted by: edvar | December 5, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

@priceis,

I think the coach has decided to prepare his team to win NEXT year. Very little explanation otherwise for continuing to make an example of AH.

And AH must shoulder some/half/much of the blame for that scab to continue to be "pick-able."

(Man, that's some nasty mixing of metaphors.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

After that point, the coaching staff has let go of the offseason issues and moved forward. Instead they have continued to pick the scab.....

Posted by: priceisright | December 5, 2010 9:56 PM
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true priceisright..
If you read the reasons for the benching.. its Shanny making AH the distraction. Maybe there is method to his madness.. A scapegoat for a dissapointing season..

I recall the Redskins of the 80's..Riggins, the Hogs..et al always being late for practice and they just had to run laps after practice.....not benched for a whole game.
Benching one of the greatest come-from-behind QBs at the 2 minute warning in a still winnable game and your best defensive (and most expensive) player in a must-win game isnt coaching its idiotic head-games.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The coach may have made some bad moves this game but it's still played by the players and anyone watching this game knows the players didn't give their full effort period....

If AH was late for practice and missed a meeting he should be benched..if he is not the players see this and will want the same treatment and will complain if they are disciplined and he is not...

These guys are getting paid big money to play and to say AH's situation is a distraction is childish...If you are an auto mechanic, policeman, nurse, bus driver and your buddy is dogging it, does it make you do your job less???? If it does then YOU SHOULD BE FIRED...Explain that one to your wife when the checks stop....

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 5, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Whatever pFunk0, all my posts are proving to be right on. Shananon sucks, the 3-4 sucks, mcnabb hasn't made us better, JC was victorious, DT can contribute, our RBs suck, wrs suck, o line sucks, and we didn't get younger, AND we have no draft picks.

But your just an effin fPunk hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 5, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

idiotic head-games.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 10:20 PM

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Par for the course in Corporate America -- it's how they treat their own... unless you sit on the board of course.

The shareholders, in this case the fans, are getting short changed.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

stevie, true they all need to be accountable. I'm just saying that as the head coach Shanahan is responsible for the team.
And judging by the way he's handled personnel issues, built this team and handled in game adjustments. I would say he's not doing that great of a job...

Posted by: priceisright | December 5, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

idiotic head-games.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 10:20 PM

---------

Par for the course in Corporate America -- it's how they treat their own... unless you sit on the board of course.

The shareholders, in this case the fans, are getting short changed.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 10:26 PM
============
True, and the NFL anti-trust exemption keeps Snyder insulated and still profitable, even as a failure.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Albert's done here.

There's no point in discussing him anymore. Everybody is gonna lose from that deal. Just take a shower and move on...

Posted by: edvar | December 5, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse


If Albert is done here, then what does the team gain by Shanny deactivating him? All that does is lower his value and we lose an opportunity to showcase to other teams what he still has to give on the field.

If Albert is not done here, then Shanny does his team a disservice b/c he's leaving one of the better players deactivated just show everyone who's boss (and then the team coughs up 200 yards rushing).

If Shanny had qualms about AH's ongoing behavior, then he should have done what was best for everyone involved and move him at the trade deadline.

No matter which way you cut this, Shanny's decision are counter-productive to this team - they are ego-driven decisions, just like the decision to bench McNabb in Detroit. The driving force isn't "what makes sense for this team", the driving force is "what do I feel like doing based on how pi$$ed this person has made me by crossing me".

No wonder guys stop playing for him and his teams crap out eventually...

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Agree completely, priceis, just don't think benching AH today is top-10 of his screw-ups.

In fact, I'm coming down on the side that it was probably necessary - but I also chalked up this season to rebuilding a while ago, and team culture has to be rebuilt as well, I suppose.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Agree completely, priceis, just don't think benching AH today is top-10 of his screw-ups.

In fact, I'm coming down on the side that it was probably necessary - but I also chalked up this season to rebuilding a while ago, and team culture has to be rebuilt as well, I suppose.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse


The benching today is just another crap-module in the larger stinky dump of SHanny's overall handling of AH.

If you are rebuilding team culture into an "obey-me-first" team, then you get rid of AH at the trade deadline b/c it's obvious who he is.

If you are going to keep him around at that point, then you have to be prepared to deal with him how he is.

Either way, you make decisions that are best for the team - decisions that help the team win TODAY, if you really care about winning, which you should as a head coach.

But if you care more about putting a dunce cap on one of your more talented guys just to show him up when he rolls his eyes at you, and in the meantime your team gets embarrassed on the field, then you are screwing up as a coach.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:36 PM

I take no issue with your points. I just think we are all better off at this point to just say goodbye and move on. There will be no winners here.

Posted by: edvar | December 5, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Disagree, p1f: if you care more about winning down the road (next year, not later this season), you lay down the law now.

I suspect the team sees and understands that.

Again, I DON'T think Shanahan has handled much correctly this year. Dude's a total martinet. But this one, I think it was the right call. Season was over before this loss.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:36 PM

I take no issue with your points. I just think we are all better off at this point to just say goodbye and move on. There will be no winners here.

Posted by: edvar | December 5, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse


There already are no winners here.

We are 5-7 and getting worse.

It's Decemember and the next meaningful football event for Skins fans is the draft.

That's why we're up here picking at the bones of the Shanny/AH Fiasco.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Poor Kyle... he's gone from "The Hottest NFL Offensive Coordinator in 2010" to "An Offensive Coordinator who was fortunate to of had Schaub and a decent OLine in 2009 ".

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

@p1f,

To clarify: agreed, shoulda gotten something for AH at the deadline, but just because you didn't - because you were too prideful just to take whatever was offered - doesn't mean you move forward eating whatever spoonful of attitude AH shovels at you.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

It's Decemember and the next meaningful football event for Skins fans is the draft.

That's why we're up here picking at the bones of the Shanny/AH Fiasco.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:48 PM |

Well, the start of free agency at least.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Disagree, p1f: if you care more about winning down the road (next year, not later this season), you lay down the law now.


Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

No. If you care about winning down the road, and AH is an obstacle then you get rid of him.

Shanny knew EXACTLY who and what he was dealing with. He had a large body of evidence to tell him who AH was before the trade deadline.

By making the decision to keep him on the roster at the trade deadline, Shanny becomes responsible for the distractions that the AH-situation continues to generate for the team.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:48 PM |

Well, the start of free agency at least.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, even that's hard to get a read on b/c of CBA.

Posted by: p1funk | December 5, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

9-7 here we come!!!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 5, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess we'll agree to disagree, p1f. (I don't think we disagree about much, though.)

Of course Shanahan - as coach - is responsible. I still say you make things worse by caving to AH at this point, GIVEN the prior mistake you've made keeping him.

Boswell's article is pretty revealing of the tenor of the locker room. Sounds like many people just want him gone.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's a legitimate question. I think we have proven that cheap, no name FA aren't gonna get this team a lot of wins. We have a TON of holes on this team. If Shanny and Allen pick up some big name FA's this offseason are we gonna hear all the crying and sandy vaging from half of RI?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I know Shanahan isn't going anywhere and hope he has success here. I guess I was expecting to see something different from a coach of his caliber.

Posted by: priceisright | December 5, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

5-11 is more likely, Nate.

I know you must be joking.

This team is, however, getting better, if only incrementally. At this rate, in 11 years we will run the table, besting the 1972 Miami Dolphins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Of course, scamp, and if the team doesn't show a parallel commitment to being super-smart in and with the draft - both adding picks and then choosing wisely - then all that crying and sandy vaging will be fully justified.

It's not my money. I want Snyder to overpay . . . for the rest of his life, on everything. But I also want the Skins to establish a new way of doing business (smarter in draft AND FA) and be more successful over the long-term.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 9:39 PM

You actually help Cork's point. They cut half of the guys you listed and brought them back after the players they kept failed miserably. Doesn't speak well for them, especially when nobody claimed them after they were cut. None of those guys except maybe TWilliams would play a down in this Steelers/Ravens game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 5, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

You actually help Cork's point. They cut half of the guys you listed and brought them back after the players they kept failed miserably. Doesn't speak well for them, especially when nobody claimed them after they were cut. None of those guys except maybe TWilliams would play a down in this Steelers/Ravens game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 5, 2010 11:13 PM |

Not exactly lh. They played practice squad musical chairs because of injuries yet those Offseason moves are still here and contributing (for the most part). I bet you both teams would like to have Banks returning punts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

scamp, if those big name FAs happen to be blue chippers on the O line and D line, I won't be complaining.

Chia, of course I was kidding about 9-7. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if this team didn't win another game.

I no longer have them going 8-8, which was my preseason prediction/hope.

I only REALLY want them to win one specific game, and you know the one I'm talking about, but given how that other team is playing I don't think the Skins have it in them.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 5, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I think it's safe to say that BB, aside from TL, is the lone bright spot for the Skins, scamp.

Curious as to who in the organization gets credit for having brought the undrafted free agent in for a look see.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Forgot AA -- make that three lone bright spots.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course, scamp, and if the team doesn't show a parallel commitment to being super-smart in and with the draft - both adding picks and then choosing wisely - then all that crying and sandy vaging will be fully justified.

It's not my money. I want Snyder to overpay . . . for the rest of his life, on everything. But I also want the Skins to establish a new way of doing business (smarter in draft AND FA) and be more successful over the long-term.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 11:12 PM |

Well, you and I agree here. I don't mind adding free agents if 2 criteria are met. 1) they are young, ie. 1st time FA's. 2) they don't have a bunch of red flags pasted all over their face. I, too, would like to see the draft picks accumulate and be used wisely. I think the Skins definitely showed a difference in FA this past year. They didn't pay out of their ass for every shiny bauble that was flashed in front of our face. We brought in a bunch of cheap, nobody free agents. I didn't expect them all to be world beaters...or even be that good. I am happy that a couple have seemed to be decent and therefor there is that many fewer holes to fill. I guess we coulda went and got Dansby, made a run at V.Jax and such but if the cap comes back we're right back to being screwed. This team has been just miserably bad for sooo long that any improvement in culture, attitude, and business conduct ain't gonna happen overnight. I think people are unrealistic and just want to continue doing what got us into this mess which is change everything once again. They want to blame it on Shanny's ego or a change in defensive scheme or whatever but what they are really doing is indulging in knee jerk reactions to satisfy their own sense of football intelligence. So by all means let's keep doing the same sh!t over and over again. It's frickin' maddening.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I found myself salivating over the BUcs (the BUcs!) today watching the game on a cross country jet blue flight. Hungry, energetic, young coach...young gamer QB who is learning on the job while winning....a a whole host of young guys all over the roster.

I want that.

Contrast that with the pathetic mess that is/was the redskins while I sat squished in the middle seat unable to scream and it was double scoop of depressing.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 5, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I found myself salivating over the BUcs (the BUcs!) today watching the game on a cross country jet blue flight. Hungry, energetic, young coach...young gamer QB who is learning on the job while winning....a a whole host of young guys all over the roster.

I want that.

Contrast that with the pathetic mess that is/was the redskins while I sat squished in the middle seat unable to scream and it was double scoop of depressing.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 5, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I think it's safe to say that BB, aside from TL, is the lone bright spot for the Skins, scamp.

Curious as to who in the organization gets credit for having brought the undrafted free agent in for a look see.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:24 PM |

I'll be interested to see how our other late round draft picks do after a year on the PS.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Banks bench pressed 225 pounds for 12 reps at his pro day at KSU.

Torain would have to bench 375 pounds 12 times to be BB's equal pound for pound.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is I think we lose out. That just sucks to believe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

and TL would have to put up 515 pounds 12 times.

and my 11 month old baby would have to bench 35 pounds 12 times.

which means Brandon Banks is one very powerful small dude.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but your 11-month-old and Banks share the advantage of only having to move the weight about six inches.

ba-dum-dum, I'll be here all week.

(guh)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Sunday, December 19th is our Super Bowl.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Banks also proved he can take a big hit and not break in half today.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

My guess at Redskins that are gone next year.

Haynesworth
Portis
Horton
Moore
Buchanon
Golston
R. Williams
Carter
Rabach
Dockery
Daniels
HB Blades

possibles:
Holliday
F. Davis
Jarmon
Hicks
Lickenstickher
Grossman
Either Maake or A. Bryant
Sellars

...that's a lot of folks to replace.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

and TL would have to put up 515 pounds 12 times.

and my 11 month old baby would have to bench 35 pounds 12 times.

which means Brandon Banks is one very powerful small dude.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 5, 2010 11:42 PM |

This is the 2nd time you have used the initials TL. Who are you talking about? Do you mean TW?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

small guys? . . . short arms?? . . . little movement to full extension??? . . . is this thing on? (tap-tap)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 5, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

ay, miss budweiser will flip on the river..my bad on the political crappe, but these blowouts bring out some bile..like aristotle said, tragedy purges the soul..i'm a good lizard in my cave and its cold outside..

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

ay, miss budweiser will flip on the river..my bad on the political crappe, but these blowouts bring out some bile..like aristotle said, tragedy purges the soul..i'm a good lizard in my cave and its cold outside..

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2010 12:03 AM |

We've come to expect nothing less from a jackass, tinfoil hat wearing cretin such as yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

(why do you engage him, scamp, he's CRAAAA---ZZYYYYY?)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 6, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

argh!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 6, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

(why do you engage him, scamp, he's CRAAAA---ZZYYYYY?)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 6, 2010 12:25 AM

It amuses me. He started this crap a long time ago. Taking pot shots at me when I wasn't even around. He still does it. Like a cowardly little donkey. So now it amuses me to see how easy it is for this clown to snap. His rants are things of lunacy. Incoherent and paranoid and funny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

The Boswell article is very interesting.

Do any of you see Al getting cut this week?

It's not like we have so many Pro-Bowlers that we can't realistically speculate about who the 3 Boswell talked to may be.

Pick any 3 from this list and it's clear the team does not want AH around.

McNabb
D. Hall
Cooley
Orakpo
Fletcher
Santana
Portis
J. Brown
H. Smith


This will obviously blow up this week in the media.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 6, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

scamp, you're able to discern pot shots at you specifically amongst all the lunacy? Impressive.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 6, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

scamp, you're able to discern pot shots at you specifically amongst all the lunacy? Impressive.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 6, 2010 12:40 AM

It's easy when he consistently attaches my name to them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

That Boswell article sure should give a whole different look as to what people think of Shanahan. Problem is that a lot of these tards buy what Reid and Co infer hook, line and sinker.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

ah, must have missed those.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 6, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Short arms or not, if you're 150lbs benching 225x12 that usually averages out to a max of 300lbs give or take. If you can bench twice your body weight, that's pretty impressive.

I'd like to see another talented young speed back here next year along with Torrain and K. Williams as the trio.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 6, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

yes scamp...For the most part this team is behind the coach, and they are professionals who want to be led by someone like Shanahan.

The ones not on board will, to quote Marcellus Wallace, "Get gone, and stay gone, or be gone" in due time.

It was fun to think that we tried to be relevant and competitive through this process, but as we are finding out, the rebuild is underway and we "Are what we thought we were".

Can't sustain Landry (Our best player) being out and a host of other injuries and remain competitive this year.

Next year, we'll do a little better, 2012 is when we arrive.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 6, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

ah, must have missed those.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 6, 2010 12:56 AM |

It's been going on for a couple of years now. He's truly sick. Anyways...gotta hit the hay. Peace out folks and here's to Hayney gone and rebuilding from here. HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Completely random and fabricated thought, but has anybody considered a possible Haynesworth-McNabb for Vince Young-pick trade?
Also, anybody who doesn't understand that Shannahan is trying to build a team with the Thomas/Haynesworth "examples" has never played a team sport in their life. Arguing with them is like trying to apply logic where it deosn't exist.

Posted by: ripperb | December 6, 2010 2:30 AM | Report abuse

That Boswell article sure should give a whole different look as to what people think of Shanahan. Problem is that a lot of these tards buy what Reid and Co infer hook, line and sinker.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 6, 2010 12:52 AM


Exactly.

Fans that drink the warm piss served up by the media are the ones who think Shanahan is screwing the team up and should bow before Zod (AH). I'm not sure how many people have to hate AH before people realize he's the problem and not everything around him.

While the Redskins problems are numerous and run much deeper than AH's continued presence on the roster, it doesn't help to have one guy in the peripheral who's clearly not buying in. They should have gotten rid of this guy a long time ago and hopefully, they don't waste any time sending this clown packing.

That 4th round pick the Titans were offering up sure looks good right about now, doesn't it?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

Completely random and fabricated thought, but has anybody considered a possible Haynesworth-McNabb for Vince Young-pick trade?

Posted by: ripperb | December 6, 2010 2:30 AM


So you wanna deal a mobile QB with accuracy issues to TN and get back...wait for it...a mobile QB with accuracy AND maturity issues? You'll excuse me if I run as fast and as far away from the mere thought of that trade as I possibly can...

Stop changing QBs. That isn't our problem. Get an O-line, get some WRs, THEN evaluate your QB. Trying to evaluate McNabb or anyone else in this offense right now is like trying to test a 3rd grader in algebra...you can't expect someone to do well at something until you give them the tools to succeed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

TW not TL, right.

Wuz thinking OL and TW at once.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 6, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Teammates have muted reaction to Haynesworth


This is the classic contrived media firestorm.

I mean, a team gets its head handed to it on national tv, but all the local media types are worried about is a dude who spent the day on the sideline.


Posted by: MistaMoe

You display a lack of understanding at the thought and emotion process of the human animal here, Moe...

Read Boswell's piece. No sportswriter in America has more integrity and he reports three Redskin All-pros want Haynesworth out and he is indeed a huge problem.

Of COURSE he is. Sniffles keeop him from practicing all week while guys like Daniels work their butts off despite walking pneumonia, he's paid way more than anyone else, and he won't put in the work. If it was 'Nam back in the day, he'd have been fragged by his own men by now.

It's not contrived by a long shot. If it WASN'T covered, people would be yelling about a media .

Are there other issues? Hey--it;'s the Redskins, There are always other issues.

But JOB ONE? Dump his worthless butt.

Posted by: TheCork | December 6, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

And by "yelling about a media" I mean "yelling about a media coverup."

Posted by: TheCork | December 6, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Five Thoughts: Giants 31, Redskins 7
By: John Keim 12/05/10 9:24 PM
Examiner Staff Writer


1. The Albert Haynesworth saga. One reason teammates were irked by Albert Haynesworth last season was because he would not play with injuries that appeared to them less than what others were enduring. There’s no doubt about this. Now he has a week where he’s deactivated because he was sick and practiced poorly Thursday and then couldn’t go Friday. It’s hard to imagine someone such as London Fletcher being inactive if the same thing had happened to him. Fletcher, for starters, would not have missed a practice. Phillip Daniels complained all week about being sick; he practiced and played. Maybe Haynesworth was that sick; I can’t say. But I know that teammates notice these things. Early on with Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan, my belief is that he wasn’t going to unload Haynesworth until his teammates soured on him. Early on the players knew or thought they needed Haynesworth to win. They saw the talent, as everyone else did. But now? It’ll be interesting to talk to some players going forward about him. Over the next month they’ll pay attention to his approach and how he plays. But there’s no doubt it’s just going to be one thing after another with him in Washington. Why wait for it to change? It won’t. Oh, and by the way, if there was a heated exchange between Haynesworth and Jim Haslett, I’d say that’s good; then you know maybe it matters.

2. The run defense is bad in any front. Guess it wasn’t just the nickel defense that couldn’t stop the run. But playing so much nickel early in the season obscured the fact that they just can’t stop the run period. How else to explain a team that is missing three starters along its offensive line and has its top two receivers sidelined just jamming it down your throat? The Redskins used eight in the box a decent amount – and it didn’t matter. Kareem Moore charged through the gap and had Brandon Jacobs for a loss, until he missed him. Thing is, why was no one else around? That’s the problem. One guy misses a tackle and it’s a 39-yard run? Come on. Too many defenders struggle to get off blocks. Nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu, who seemed to make strides a few weeks ago, again failed to control the middle. The linebackers weren’t getting off blocks. These are lingering issues. This defense hasn’t tackled well all season, but part of it is they keep putting the secondary in position where they have to make the tackle. Why? Because not enough plays are being made by the front seven. And because they wanted a stronger run defense, it left them devoid of any legitimate pass rush. Eli Manning often had four or five seconds to throw – and he still wasn’t hit when he did unleash the pass.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

3. Donovan McNabb was awful. He knows it. Cripes; who doesn’t. McNabb threw two interceptions and lost a fumble. Not sure I remember a game where every decision he seemed to make in the pocket was the wrong one. Saw Mike Sellers break open down the seam; he didn’t throw his way and instead slid to his left where there was an opening. Except he didn’t take it and threw to a covered receiver for a deflection. Another time on a bootleg, Fred Davis broke open on a cross – McNabb had him in his sights; he didn’t throw it. James Davis was breaking open down the opposite sideline. Didn’t throw it. Instead, McNabb ran, was tackled and fumbled. And when the Redskins threatened to make it a two-score game, he sat in the pocket for about four seconds and then, still not under duress, he threw into double coverage in the end zone for a pick. McNabb had thrown six interceptions in his career vs. the Giants entering this game. It was just one bad play after another for him.

4. A long road awaits. Take a look at the schedule and let me know if you see a possible win in the next four games. Doesn’t mean the Redskins won’t win, but they’ll be the underdogs in each game the rest of the way. It’s not just about the rest of the season, however. The Redskins face a long road when it comes to rebuilding this roster. No longer can they hang onto the “We have the right talent” line. They don’t. They turned over 60 percent of the roster last year; look for a 40-percent turn this time around. Look two years down the road and try to think about who would be key parts of this offense? Trent Williams, Chris Cooley, maybe Fred Davis, maybe Anthony Armstrong as a No. 3 and then who? Granted, it only matters about 2011, but don’t you think other teams in this division have a better idea? They can’t do another patchwork roster and expect to win. They have found some good extra parts, like a Brandon Banks; but so much more work remains.

5. This was the most upset the locker room have been all season. It should be that way given the performance, but it started with Mike Shanahan in the presser, calling the tackling embarrassing and not being shy about why Phillip Buchanon was benched. The players are making him look bad; and Shanahan is ultra-competitive. But it wasn’t just him; Brian Orakpo was clearly agitated about another frustrating loss. It’s actually nice to hear a second-year guy talk about how tired he is of the losing already. Chris Cooley was exasperated; he’s tired of searching for an answer to the same question. The looks on the faces revealed the painful realization that it’s not going to happen again this year. There were high hopes when Shanahan came to town, but it turns out the collapse of the past few years wasn’t just about coaching. It was about the organization and the personnel.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

The Big Al Theme Song
(Sung to the tune of the "Fat Albert" cartoon theme)

Hey, hey, hey! It's Fat Albert
And I'm gonna lay on the grass for you
For every game I play, I'll sit out two

You'll scratch your head now while watching me get paid
Seeing I don't even care
How bad our team has played

I'm gonna have a good time na, na, na
I'm gonna have a good time hey, hey, hey!

(This is Big Al coming out with music and snacks
If you're not careful, you may learn something about big contracts!)

Na, na, na
I'm gonna have a good time!

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 6, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse


1) all media is the same whether it's politics, food, or sports. drama makes media outlets money, so take their reporting for what it is

2) the redskins should've dumped AH a long time ago, period

3) we shouldn't trade picks for injured players and QB's regardless of their stature for draft picks, then build the o-line. seems to me that's ass backwards thinking. build this part of the team thru the draft

4) coaching is now questionable after 2 huge losses and AH on the bench. sorry to mention AH the loser again, but shanahan has played his hand and lost. instead of keeping AH on the roster and sending any kind of message, he'll look bad from here on out in regards to dealing with him now. this coaching staff came to washington with the hopes of turning the redskins around. instead it's more of the same with "I don't know why we lost with all of our talent" crap.

OLD - SLOW - SELFISH - OVERPAID - SAME OLD


Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

4) coaching is now questionable after 2 huge losses and AH on the bench.

Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 7:05 AM

What's questionable isn't the coaching. It's the players. Go back and read the Keim piece above and read Boswell's column in the Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/05/AR2010120504364.html

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Right, beep...not sure where hess is even going with that #4 comment...Shanahan doesn't look bad in the locker room if everyone is in agreement that he's a lazy POS. The ONLY way Shanahan looks bad in the AH saga is for not getting rid of him before this season even started...and for not taking the Titans up on the 4th rounder before the trade deadline.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

I hope now everyone is onboard. Owner, management, coaching, fans, media. I've grown very tired of hearing about how much talent the skins have (and don't say that hasn't happened for years now). Maybe we can all finally resolve to a full rebuilding project and stop this repetitive stupidity. Shotty had the right idea. No more to Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Galloway.. ETC ETC. and even McNabb. They just took up roster spots that some youngster from college or a free agent that has bounced around a bit who didn't get his chance yet (Armstrong..). Those youngsters could have been in training camp and learning the system but we are delayed yet another year. There was some turnover and some positives. Hoping for many new young faces in the O and D lines for next year and let the competition begin.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse


not sure where hess is even going with that #4. The ONLY way Shanahan looks bad in the AH saga is for not getting rid of him before this season even started...and for not taking the Titans up on the 4th rounder before the trade deadline.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 7:27 AM |

that's in line with #4 brown, only instead of cat and mouse, shanahan should've gotten rid of AH at the beginning of the year. instead, AH is a festering wound that needs lanced. why do they keep this POS, he brings no value to the team. the only reason to keep him is because it'll make snyder look bad if we flat out release him with no compensation.

Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

from John Kiem

Donovan McNabb was awful.

Be careful saying that in these parts, fella.

Folks might get upset.

Folks might think you're some kind of heretic.

I mean, those of us who jumped off the McNabb bandwagon months ago have been called everything but a Cowboy fan.

McNabb's had two or three fairly decent games as a redskin quarterback, the best, his commanding opening drive against the Vikings.

Yesterday, however, he looked like a pitcher who somehow forgot to how spot his fastball.

The game day commentators noticed that on more than one occasion, he missed or didn't make a proper read to open receivers.

Anthony Armstrong, if you ever notice, is hardly ever hit in stride by a McNabb pass.

And it's the ever continuing inaccuracy issue that caused Mr. Andy Reid, his professional daddy, to send him packing.

Let's just hope all Donnie is doing is keeping the seat warm for a hot shot young quarterback--one like the kid who'll be in town this Sunday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Another thought. Someone made the comment about watching the steelers to see what kind of D we can have in a few years, which would be sweet but, I think they need to take a different direction, what that is, i don't know but being a copycat will be like buying stock after it has already peaked. Case in point, the skins changed the way offense was viewed in the early 80's going with what at the time was a large O line and a 1 back offense. Then everyone jumped on board and tried to imitate many failed to duplicate. SF, west coast o... etc. I know im going back years, sure there are other examples. But what I'm trying to say is not only start over on the personnel but even if they do the 3-4, do something different with it to set themselves apart.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse


Hoping for many new young faces in the O and D lines for next year and let the competition begin.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 7:38 AM |

outsourced = genius

if only the FO of this team would follow outsource's blueprint, but they didn't at the beginning of their tenure. what's next ?


Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Woo-Wee! I'm trying hard to find some good in yesterday’s game but can't. Man what low Monday it is.

Posted by: fat_back | December 6, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

No more to Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Galloway.. ETC ETC. and even McNabb. They just took up roster spots that some youngster from college or a free agent that has bounced around a bit who didn't get his chance yet (Armstrong..).

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 7:38 AM


Wow...I never grow tired of some idiot clamoring for less veteran help and more undrafted slappies. UFB...

Don't fault Shanahan for getting veteran help. Fault him for getting the WRONG veteran help. Fault him for not building up the line of scrimmage and making us better at the point of attack. The players you listed (in addition to not being here anymore) in no way stunted the growth of players with any real future here, nor where they expensive failures. The problem here is getting blown up at the snap...not the age of the players.

But hey...don't let fact get in the way of a good rant...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

A loss means a slow day in RI.

I guess I'll have to work and earn the paycheck I'm getting Friday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Moe, like I said last night...McNabb certainly hasn't played as well as expected, but there's a bit of a cause/effect at play here...look at what Manning is doing in Indy without an O-line, healthy and/or skilled WRs not named Wayne, no running game, and a shaky defense. If #18 is playing more like a goat than GOAT under those circumstances, I'm not sure why anyone else would reasonably expect more from McNabb...

So it's not about criticizing McNabb as "heresy" as it is misplaced since even the greatest QBs couldn't thrive in the current situation. While you and others give him an F for this season, I'm giving him an incomplete (no pun intended)...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse


Wow...I never grow tired of some idiot clamoring for less veteran help and more undrafted slappies. UFB...

But hey...don't let fact get in the way of a good rant...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 7:53 AM |

sounds to me like you do grow tired brown. we'll, you've got to admit, the fact is it hasn't worked for 10 years now, has it ? besides taking snyder's money, what veteran that's not hard up for a job wants to play for this team ?

brown, why do you call outsourced an idiot for his opinion ? is it because you and kiem know more than folks that don't agree with you ?

Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game yesterday freezing my a** off. All I can say they played with no energy and no heart. You can blame big Al all you want but he does not control other players. They couldn't tackle or move the ball on offense. It seems to me that they have given up on this coach and his way or the high way bs.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

PRACTICE....WE'RE TALKIN ABOUT PRACTICE....NOT A GAME.....PRACTICE!!!!!

Thank God for A.I

Posted by: gre28man72 | December 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

For 39 years i have been a die hard Redskins fan. From being born at Columbia Hospital for Women, living in Takoma park then moving to Northern Virginia in the early 70's I went to a football camp growing up were i got to see and learn from greats like Pat Fischer Chris Hanburger Billy Kilmer, The Dancing Bear and the list goes on and on!!!!! These guys were bigger than life itself. Who could ever forget the Hogs, Diesel and the 80's where the skins practically ran the N.F.L. Then Dan Snyder enters the room thus the fall of an empire worse then the romans!! We sign some of the greatest talent that has ever played the game. probably the best team ever (on paper)And yet we still cant win the NFC east some of the greatest coaches ever and still cant win the NFC east. I live in New Jersey now, amongst some of the most obnoxious fans in the entire world (giants, philly and so on)i am obsolutley embarrased to even go out in public wearing any sort of Redskin attire. We have become the laughing stock in the entire sports nation. Can anyone tell me why, with all the talent the great coaching we have had in the last 18years why is it we cant even produce a team that even comes close to a resemblance of the dynasty we once enjoyed. I feel sorry for anyone who comes to Washington as rookie because you might as well shoot yourself in the foot and go into whatever you majored in at college, because if you think you are going to the show you are a fool. I dont care if JESUS CHRIST himself was on this team he would turn water to mud instead of wine because of one person who has cursed us worse than the curse that haunted Boston his name??? DAN SYNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lriggs65 | December 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Ugh...Hess, stop trying to have a "come to Jesus" moment with everyone who doesn't blow sunshine at people who say something dumb. It's obviously and unmistakably dumb to think that the act of adding veteran players is somehow harmful to the team. By that logic, we f-ed up in getting London Fletcher instead of rolling with Robert Henson since, you know, he's younger. There's no right or wrong way to build a team...that's only determined in the results. The Redskin way hasn't worked the last 10 years because they haven't used the draft to their full advantage (either in the trading of picks or misuse of the ones they actually keep) and they've missed on a lot of the FAs they've signed. I maintain my stance that this offense is inept and lacking whether it's Galloway and LJ or AA and Keiland Williams. If you can't play, you can't play...age has NO bearing on that whatsoever.

Everyone keeps focusing on the skill position players and you can't REALLY evaluate those guys until the O-line gets right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

All us fans are frustrated. I yearn for the days when the skins can be a part of a game like last nights pitt vs balt. Both with superbowl aspirations fighting for the division crown. When I say a part of, I don't mean watching from a sports bar..... Tampa cleaned house and went young. I mentioned the running backs but you can also add holliday, brown, hicks, kemo, carriker, go down the list. Maybe im just so irked, but heck, a bunch of college boys could've produced the same results....

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

anyone have Steve Spurriers phone number.....

hazless, is just abject failure...Giants missing 3 ol guys, and he does what?? the same thing he's done all year long...ufb...its really laughable...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry Greg...hard to think that if this continues, Wade Phillips won't be our new DC in January...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

like I said last night...McNabb certainly hasn't played as well as expected, but there's a bit of a cause/effect at play here...

So when McNabb has time to throw and misses open receivers, overthrows about six passes, underthrows passes to the very open Anthony Armstrong 2-3 times, fumbles, doesn't play with urgency in a 2 minute drill, it's because the offensive line is bad?

Sure.

I believe that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I think with the possibility of us having a top 10 pick we MUST consider drafting Mallett, Newton, or Locker. Especially, if we are able to pick up a WR like Vincent Jackson in FA.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 6, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

i gotta tell ya brown, this all rolls uphill...if Haz put together this 'plan' defensively, and Shanny signed off on it, then, I mean, what does that say about not just Hasnot, but about shanny...

yesterday was the 5th game this year that the offense has scored either 1 or fewer offensive touchdowns...not including field goals....so much for Shanny Jr being the future...will dad have the seeds to take his own kid to task over the pathetic offense that gets rolled out there week after week...

if I'm shanny, then I'm taking offers on EVERYONE this offseason. If someone offers a 1 and a 3 for Rak, I'd jump on it, if someone offers a 2 and a 3 for Landry, lather rinse repeat, no one is safe, this team needs 19 times as many draft picks as they currently have...

Anyone have Jim Zorn's phone number....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

O and bench Al the rest of the season. Wait till draft day and unload him for ANYTHING to an AFC team and I mean ANYTHING a 7th rounder in 2015 draft- whatever.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 6, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

So when McNabb has time to throw and misses open receivers, overthrows about six passes, underthrows passes to the very open Anthony Armstrong 2-3 times, fumbles, doesn't play with urgency in a 2 minute drill, it's because the offensive line is bad?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:26 AM


No...what I'm saying is that he IS at fault for plays of that nature, but that even when he's not getting hit, he's expecting to be because he doesn't trust his line. Again...cause/effect.

My turn to ask a question...if now two QBs with talent enough to be selected in the 1st round of the draft are now rendered ineffective playing behind a bad line, is it THEIR fault the offense is sputtering or the line's fault? Peyton Manning wouldn't play well in this situation...as evidenced by his performance the last 3 weeks under similar conditions. There isn't a more compelling argument than 10 picks in 3 weeks and a 77 QB rating for the presumed best QB in the world...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

This team has been just miserably bad for sooo long that any improvement in culture, attitude, and business conduct ain't gonna happen overnight. I think people are unrealistic and just want to continue doing what got us into this mess which is change everything once again. They want to blame it on Shanny's ego or a change in defensive scheme or whatever but what they are really doing is indulging in knee jerk reactions to satisfy their own sense of football intelligence. So by all means let's keep doing the same sh!t over and over again. It's frickin' maddening.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 5, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Everyone including Snyder recognizes the need to change the approach of this broken NFL franchise. The question is whether the new regime is making the decisions that will make the Redskins a force to be reckoned with once again.

Count the pluses and minuses so far.
I am seeing some pretty glaring minuses, while the pluses are much more subtle.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 6, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Ah, it's a lovely Defeat Monday, gassing up the Pessimism Pinto now, Optimism Bus just blew an engine, done for the year, who needs a ride?

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Optimism Bus just got lit on fire, while it was up on blocks...

fixed it for ya...

moe, some good baseball stuff happened for our teams...however JWerth for 126, sounds like Snyder 2001 worked the deal...cat hits .183 with RISP...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is so big on practice, why do they always looks even worse in the first quarter?

Posted by: justsayin | December 6, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

we MUST consider drafting Mallett, Newton, or Locker



Andrew Luck and Cam Newton might be off the board by the time we pick.

So between Mallett and Locker, Mallet is the better pick.

Mallett has played in an NFL-lite system for 3 years at Arkansas.

He has a big arm and is an excellent deep ball thrower.

Having played in the SEC, he's had to face the type of d-backs and coverages you see in the NFL and the kid has done well.

Locker is the better athlete, though, but if Mallett is there, I'd say, "Take'em," let him sit behind McNabb next Fall, and give him the starting job in 2012.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Geez Greg...come off the ledge, dude. The Skins are who we thought they were...an average to below average team that will win somewhere between 6 and 8 games. If you expected more than that, you were just setting yourself up for disappointment.

The thing that absolutely stumps me about you is your continued (and almost exclusive) finger-pointing to the coaches. I mean, at what point to players have to go out there and execute? It wasn't Shanny Jr. missing open receivers or Haslett tackling like a vagina. It was the players.

Coaches are coaches...not magicians. We've got a hot, steaming pile of sh*t for defensive lineman. We've got fleshy turnstiles for O-lineman. You'd be surprised how much Shanahan looks like a "genius" again when he gets the line fixed.

The coaches surely shoulder a good share of the blame here...but this team is obviously more than just a few "halftime adjustments" away from being a good team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

MEMORANDUM

To: District of Columbia, Department of Special Events

From: Daniel Snyder, owner, Washington Redskins

Subject: Super Bowl Parade

====================================

Please cancel our parade down Pennsylvania Ave. to celebrate our Super Bowl victory planned for February 8, 2011.

Posted by: lgm6986 | December 6, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Locker is the better athlete, though, but if Mallett is there, I'd say, "Take'em," let him sit behind McNabb next Fall, and watch him get killed in 2012 after we've once again failed to address the O-line in favor of chasing skill position players instead.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:43 AM


There...fixed it for ya.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are who we thought they were...an average to below average team that will win somewhere between 6 and 8 games. If you expected more than that, you were just setting yourself up for disappointment.

This team was very lucky to get 5 wins, probably won't win another all season.

We've got a hot, steaming pile of sh*t for defensive lineman.

They were pretty effective last year, but that was in a 4-3.

We've got fleshy turnstiles for O-lineman.

Lichtensteiger has no ass. #1 rule of evaluating olineman, guy has to have an ass. Rhinehart was ass-less too, we see how that worked out.

Posted by: divi3 | December 6, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

MEMORANDUM

To: Washington Rdskins Staff

From: Daniel Snyder, owner, Washington Redskins

Subject: Super Bowl Rings

====================================

Our staff meeting planned for today to take everyone's ring measurements has been cancelled.

Posted by: lgm6986 | December 6, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

brown the problem i have is that they're doing the same thing over and over and over, and expecting the results to change...case in point the giants oline..missing three starters so the redskins open the game in a 4-3 to stunt the run, nope, they open the game with 8 guys stacked in the box to stop the run, nope, they open the game in the same 3-4 thats gotten GASHED all year long...and the only adjustment they made is to bench buchanon...thats on the coach.

On offense, the Giants doubled moss, so after that, the Redskins should have taken a knee for 3 downs and punted because Kyle had nothing....its the same offense we've been seeing since game 1...

ask yourself this, were these guys prepared to play....and you should come to the same answer I did....and that answer is NO they were not...whose fault is that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:43 AM

I agree, however, if we do draft a Mallett, Locker, or even Newton. I think there is no reason Mc5 should be hand given the starting job next year. I think there must be a QB comp. in training camp next year.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 6, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

You must not have noticed that the redskins added 4 new starters to the offensive line last Spring, one of them drafted #4.

We also traded for a Pro Bowl tackle.

We added a veteran to play right guard.

We also added two developmental linemen.

We've posted consistently that once a quarterback of the future is obtained, the team should simply draft offensive and defensive linemen: we have issues on both frontst.

FA money should go to acquiring a FS, OLB, WR, WR, and depth.

Plus: we have more picks if we trade AH to get more line depth.

So let go of the whining about adding offensive linemen as it's an excuse that's the tool of incompetent RI posters who lack ideas and just cherry pick from others to have something to post.

Do you have any orignal ideas?

Share them, please.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

just a troublesome thought. . . how many coaches who have had considerable success with teams they have coached (i.e. Super Bowl champions, Super Bowl appearances), have done so in subsequent coaching gigs. . ok, there's Dick Vermeil.

who else ?

Posted by: joelcavicchia | December 6, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

we MUST consider drafting Mallett, Newton, or Locker

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:43 AM

I have been opposed to drafting a QB with first pick because this team has so many needs on both lines. Off the top of my head the team needs at least 7 new starters on offense and 6 new starters on defense. They then have to address a QB for the future, and replace another 4-7 depth guys on both offense and defense. The team is looking at another 24-25 new guys on this offseason. FA signings, and draft picks over the next 9 months will say a lot about the Shannallen regime.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The week's biggest story?: the redskins have a home game and no one comes out to see it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The team is looking at another 24-25 new guys on this offseason. FA signings, and draft picks over the next 9 months will say a lot about the Shannallen regime.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

What are the past 12 months telling you?

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 6, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

It is in my opinion that everyone boycott anything Redskins. Whether it be game tickets, merchandise, to the website. Seriously, I refuse to continue to buy anything Redskin and contribute to the game checks of this sorry excuse for a football team. Maybe if they realize that the fans are no longer behind them they will play like a f'ing NFL team!!

Posted by: sirmixx01 | December 6, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

ask yourself this, were these guys prepared to play....and you should come to the same answer I did....and that answer is NO they were not...whose fault is that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 8:52 AM


I have...and my conclusion is they weren't EQUIPPED to play, prepared or not. Obviously, the team could (and probably should) have done what you outlined, but stacking the box only means they'll pass it over your head while #37 runs haplessly behind the WR. Pick your poison...

I'm in full agreement that Shanahan hasn't earned his "genius" status here...but he definitely doesn't have the pieces to help this team either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Lichtensteiger has no ass. #1 rule of evaluating olineman, guy has to have an ass. Rhinehart was ass-less too, we see how that worked out.

Posted by: divi3 | December 6, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I was too busy watching his sucky play to analyze his ass. Does your boyfriend know how you feel about this?

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

twisi

I have been opposed to drafting a QB with first pick because this team has so many needs on both lines.

In a quarterback driven league, a major need is a signal caller who can make the throws and lead the team.

McNabb's best days were 5 years ago.

We need to find the guy who'll be here 5 years from now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

What are the past 12 months telling you?

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 6, 2010 9:17 AM

That this team isn't very talented. That the majority of players Shanny thought he could count on as starters on the oline and dline, he can't. That it will take another two years before we can fully judge the Shannallen administration.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Shanny was the wrong decision for coach of this team he is to old fashion and even tho we thought dan made the right move by taking a back seat he did NOT with this hire Zorn did better in his first yr then Shanahan will do...And how do you get a job writing for the team because i can write better post then this guy.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 6, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Boswell, AMEN!!!
Look people, we were 4-12 last year. Do you really think Shanny said to Snyder before he was hired, "Hey, I'll take this team to the playoffs this year." Come on! He knew we were making A LOT of changes and would suffer many growing pains this year. How do all of you 'skins fans' really believe he could take a crappy 4-12 team and change it in one offseason, and with limited draft picks. Is Shanny perfect? Are you? It will take at least a couple of years to get 'Shanny' players in here. Not LAZY players like Fat Albert who will be gone soon, but not soon enough...it says a lot that all we could get for him in a trade would have been a 3rd or 4th pick. POS he turned out to be. Give the Shannys a chance, were the most unstable franchise for years and all the 'skins fans' want to make it more unstable and fire Shanny already???? JEEZZZZEE PEOPLE! I HATE losing more than anything but give change a chance.

Posted by: tnand | December 6, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Shanny was the wrong decision for coach of this team he is to old fashion and even tho we thought dan made the right move by taking a back seat he did NOT with this hire Zorn did better in his first yr then Shanahan will do...And how do you get a job writing for the team because i can write better post then this guy.

Posted by: mhudson27

I said that we he was first brought in. I also said the trade for McNabb was bad when you had no o line

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I had a great week of practice too... I ended up like the other guys on the roster... I never left my couch. Next, I am going to change my car into a bicycle (yes, convert it to a bicycle)... I hear it is the best way to get around traffic in DC... get to it as soon as I adjust to the 3-4.

Posted by: samiismoni14 | December 6, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

For those of you jabbering away today about drafting a QB, STOP PANICKING!!!
Yesterday's loss had nothing to do with the QB position. It all had to do with the line of scrimmage. We need a NT and bigger DE's to stop the run and push the pocket back, and we need 2 bigger athletic Guards, we were outplayed AGAIN by another team on the line of scrimmage. And after we address the lines, we still need WR help. QB should be addressed in the 2012 draft, not enough picks in 2011.

Posted by: monk811 | December 6, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Redskins played as well as they could. I don't understand the contempt for these fellows.

Posted by: password11 | December 6, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

lol ha ha ha

I already had my cry when SNYDER hired SHANAHAN.
After suing everyone last year he had to throw it off on somebody, enter Shanahan my way or the highway!

Now you know why Denver cut him lose.

Danny the one who lured AH here. AH said he would have to less money to be in scheem that works for him.
What did SNYDER DO?
Lied to the man, one dumb coach after another wants him to play in something that dont suit him.

Then Shanahan gave up a young QB for an old one and DRAFT PICKS!

Get one kid in the draft when he knows the line is some sh*&!

Until the Skins address the O-line,Linebackers and a WR over 6'1.

Oh you know this team going to SUCK NEXT YEAR.

WHY LIE!

Posted by: SOLVBACK | December 6, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Reality is.....this team sucks!!!

The early wins had all of the fans on the edge of their seats...thinking that this could possibly be the year that everything turns around!!!

Now that everyone has slid back to their proper position in their seats...please realize...that THEY ARE.... WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!!

Posted by: chicoexcell | December 6, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Benching Haynesworth is stupid. Either play him or cut him. They should have been playing him all season. Play him til his balls fall off. Benching him is the same as cutting him from the team except he's still around. It's costing the team cash either way.

Posted by: BenThere | December 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

if the fat boy wasn't practicing plus hardly playing this year, why would the other players be distracted...were they scouting the stands looking for him?... for what? c'mon really who'd miss him unless someone said there was a big empty spot on the bench!

Posted by: aypub | December 6, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

if the fat boy wasn't practicing plus hardly playing this year, why would the other players be distracted...were they scouting the stands looking for him?... for what? c'mon really who'd miss him unless someone said there was a big empty spot on the bench!

Posted by: aypub | December 6, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

You can bring in all the Bruce allens, Mike and Jr. Shannahans and Donovan Mcnabs you want but the fact remains that the dysfunction runs so deep that you cannot change it......IT CHANGES YOU!!!. Thanks Vinny and Dan , your stain may be permanent. The only hope i see is if we have a Bill Paccells type of landing where the whole bunch is cleared out and start over. I'd keep Orakpo and everyone else is fair game...yes, even you Chris Cooley who's chink in his armour has been showing for a couple years now,. You fumble at least once a game and drop at least that too. That fake DC fame and new contract went to his head as well.....We need more players and less media/radio stars...

Posted by: klangley69 | December 6, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

many here still hoping that the DIC-tater will win..he won't he is too stupid and stubborn and will not adjust like I and others had mentioned before they should have kept campbell and grabbed another potential starter with the 2nd round pick mcnabb can't win with this team they are too weak and old giants normally whip the hell out of washington and the beatings continue. shamm-O-klan is NOT a good coach as a matter of fact he is the worst coach in the division(even garrett is better) reid who makes tons of mistakes is still better than the DIC-tater hopefully like daniels of the bronco's shamm_O-Klan will be fired along with son and haslett next monday after a mind numbing blow-out by the buc's.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 6, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

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