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Shanahan says Westbrook is still in the mix

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Wednesday that free agent running back Brian Westbrook has not determined where he will play, although Washington remains a possibility. It could help the Redskins that brother Byron Westbrook plays for Washington.

"I'm trying to talk to his brother a little bit, trying to get in good with him," Shanahan said. "I'm not sure it's helped a whole lot, but I'll keep on trying."

Shanahan added that Westbrook provides a specific value on third downs with his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and block.

Shanahan also was supportive of the entire running back corps when asked about Larry Johnson's progress.

"We have some healthy competition," Shanahan said. "We have some guys with a lot of ability. I'm looking forward to when the pads are on, show us what they can do in game situations."

The Redskins completed another week of organized team activities (OTAs), again without the services of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Safety LaRon Landry, linebacker Andre Carter and punter Josh Bidwell also missed practice Wednesday with
excused absences.

"Every once in a while there's going to be guys who are excused or [have] a problem," Coach Mike Shanahan said. "I won't get into all the scenarios, but that's typical of OTA days. And hopefully we don't have too many of those."

Shanahan also said it would take "some time" to build a rapport with quarterback Donovan McNabb similar to the one McNabb had with Philadelphia Eagles Coach Andy Reid. But Shanahan said he is looking forward to spending time with McNabb during the off-season.

"I love the way he's handling himself thus far," Shanahan said. "I know he's enthused, ready to go, and I look forward to continue to work with him."

Shanahan said he's satisfied with the depth of the defensive line after the Redskins bolstered the position during the offseason. He praised veteran lineman Vonnie Holliday, whose career Shanahan has followed. Shanahan said Holliday is "pretty impressive as a person" and "fits in" with the Redskins' schemes.

The smallest player on the field, wide receiver Brandon Banks, has caught Shanahan's attention. At 5 feet 7 and 150 pounds, Banks is dwarfed by his teammates, but Shanahan complimented his return skills.

"Obviously not very big, but very fast," Shanahan said. "We ran him in the 40, and he broke 4.4 when he ran, and he's catching the ball...as a wide receiver. So, he's competing right now, and we'll let time take care of itself and give him the opportunity in the preseason games to show what he can do."

Shanahan did not elaborate on a New York Post report that a Brooklyn stripper, Silvia Mena, is suing Haynesworth for $10 million, claiming that she's carrying his child but is receiving no financial support from him.

"We're going to talk about the people that are here," Shanahan said. "Of the situation you're talking about, I think it would be inappropriate of me to make a comment on something like that when I don't have the facts."

Tight end Chris Cooley was holding kicks on Wednesday in Bidwell's absence. "It's probably the first time I've ever been around Chris when he looked a little nervous, something he's not comfortable with," Shanahan said. "I'm not sure he's ever done it before. But Chris has got excellent hands. We wanted to take a look in our OTAs to see if he could, how he handled the ball obviously as a holder, and I thought he
did a good job."

Shanahan said he hopes FedEx Field can host a Super Bowl, now that New York/New Jersey has been awarded the 2014 game. Shanahan said he does not think it is a major factor if a Super Bowl is played in bad weather because both teams deal with the same conditions. "It does open an opportunity for possibly us getting a Super Bowl in
the future," Shanahan said.

The Redskins return to OTAs Tuesday. Their next OTA open to reporters is Wednesday.

By Zach Berman  |  May 26, 2010; 4:25 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , Donovan McNabb , Larry Johnson  
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Comments

I don't understand the need to have a punter hold instead of the back up quarterback. I would think you would want a guy in there that could throw just in case you wanted to run a fake. I mean, what's a backup QB do most of the time anyway? On the other hand, if the kicker makes a mistake and breaks a punter's finger, the punter could be done for awhile.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I really like how Shanny handles the media. Shows you how JV our entire coaching and front office staff was last year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

He's a better back than any already on the team.. sign him up quick!

Posted by: iubiquity | May 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure alot of it has to do with who is available to practice holding with the kicker while other units are simultaneously doing work.

During practice the backup QB is going to be mostly working with the offense, and so he'd need to schedule separate time to work w/ the kicker.

The punter/kicker can spend as much time as possible together building whatever "chemistry" is necessary for the kicker to feel confident in the holds.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Second, the wide latitude that Goodell has for suspending players is under the Personal Conduct policy, not the PED policy which has separate provisions altogether.

But Moss, as far as we know, has done nothing illegal. He's not even been accused of doingg anything illegal. He wasn;t the target of the investigation, he came up incidental to the investigation. And reports have said that authorities don;t plan on making Moss a target. They simply interviewed him to get more info about Galea.

Posted by: p1funk

As you point out, there is wide latitude in the personal conduct policy. Using a doc who is unlicensed to inject you with unknown stuff ... seriously, that's not much of a defense. Moss is in trouble with the commish -- not the law. He has (and maybe will again) provided testimony -- no reason to risk perjury.

Moss's downside risk (pending something new that we don't know about -- I see that as unlikely) is modest enough. He, and the team, have more to lose by playing hardball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Media outlets don't need to be saavy with lawsuits - the law leans heavily in favor of free press.

Posted by: p1funk"

You mean , the CONTROLLED free press, the acceptable transmission of "The Commodity Spectacle", always expanding into new markets, u ntil it eats your brain and makes you it's slave-b*tch, a chip in your arm to determine if you're worthy of food, water and air...just sayin'..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:29 PM

He did do something illegal if he knew that Dr. G was bringing HGH and actovegin into the US to treat him. The Feds are cutting him some slack because they are trying to nail Dr. G and they may not be able to prove knowledge. But they need Moss's testimony to confirm the days Dr. G treated him to corroborate the informant/co-D's testimony. You can't convict solely on the word of a co-defendant w/out corroboration.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

There have been a number of suggestions that Moss has already come clean with the league, and did so before this story broke. If that is true, that will probably help him considerably when it comes to any discipline he will/might receive, I would think.

Posted by: manlius1 | May 26, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Signing Westbrook more'n likely would sign that Portis is the other "Big Name" in the HGH scam..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

As you point out, there is wide latitude in the personal conduct policy. Using a doc who is unlicensed to inject you with unknown stuff ... seriously, that's not much of a defense. Moss is in trouble with the commish -- not the law. He has (and maybe will again) provided testimony -- no reason to risk perjury.

Moss's downside risk (pending something new that we don't know about -- I see that as unlikely) is modest enough. He, and the team, have more to lose by playing hardball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse


You say there's "not much of a defense", but the simple question is - what did he do that was wrong?

There's no rule in the NFL or society saying that you cannot use an unlicensed doc to inject you with mystery goo. Athletes use trainers and "unlicensed" folks all the time to help them with injections.

You can't punish Tana for using a doc who - after the fact - has been charged with a crime. Before he got arrested, it appears that he had a pretty good reputation and was doing alot of traveling to work with athletes.

And I'm pretty sure that the PA and Tana would fight vehemently if Goodell tried to do an end-around the PED policy and nail him with Personal Conduct when it's actually a PED issue.

The issue is - did Tana use an illegal substance?

If there's no proof, how do you get away with punishing him?

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Moss is a witness in a Federal case. Last thing he's going to do is lie and risk going from being a witness to becoming a defendant. Moss's best course it to minimize the hit and move on with his career.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Not sure any current players will actually be called on to testify.

You said Goodell needed no further proof to suspend.

My point was, no matter how powerful you think Goodell may be, I doubt he has the power to suspend players based solely on what Dr. he was treated by.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 26, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the suggestion that HGH was part of Moss's treatment seemed to take the receiver by surprise. "I don't think he knew this guy was even dealing with that," Daniels said. "As far as the HGH or anything, he didn't say he knew what it was or anything like that," Daniels said. "But Santana's a stand-up guy. I think he was telling the truth. He was doing the right things, just trying to get healthy.

One of the oldest excuses in the books. I think A-Rod used it. So old it has moss growing on it. Mebbe that is why he used it. Doubt if it will fly with Mr. Goodbar.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"At 5 feet 7 and 170 pounds, Banks is dwarfed by his teammates, but Shanahan complimented his return skills."

didn't he weigh something like 10-20 pounds less just a few weeks ago?

remember comparing him to Sproles, and being struck by how much lighter Banks was (supposedly).

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

If there's no proof, how do you get away with punishing him?

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:54 PM |

How do we know that? One of the defendants mebbe singing like a canary to minimize jail time. There could be records with all the incriminating info - time, place, amount, etc.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

He did do something illegal if he knew that Dr. G was bringing HGH and actovegin into the US to treat him. The Feds are cutting him some slack because they are trying to nail Dr. G and they may not be able to prove knowledge. But they need Moss's testimony to confirm the days Dr. G treated him to corroborate the informant/co-D's testimony. You can't convict solely on the word of a co-defendant w/out corroboration.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse


Moss is not a co-defendant. Moss is not under investigation. The authorities made that clear up front. They interviewed him to get more info about Galea. Now we are hearing from P.Daniels that Moss claims he did not know what Galea was injecting him with.

Again, if Moss has confessed privately or the report says something that we don't know - like Galea admitting that he specifically injected Moss with HGH - then things change.

But with no failed test, no player confession and no doctor's statement, the League has absolutely no basis to suspend Moss under the PED policy. None.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If we sign Westbrook, then we should try to trade Haynesworth and one of our RBs to the Titans for Chris Johnson.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | May 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

My point was, no matter how powerful you think Goodell may be, I doubt he has the power to suspend players based solely on what Dr. he was treated by.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 26, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse


THe provisions of the PED policy have been specifically bargained by the PA and League.

Goodell has no latitude with PEDs. The testing, appeals process, and punishments have been specifically spelled out.

Again, the only place where Goodell has any latitiude is under the Personal Conduct policy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If there's no proof, how do you get away with punishing him?

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:54 PM |

I think a Buffalo newspaper got hold of court documents that nailed Moss. Raises the question, would Goodell lower the boom on him based on copies of court documents that are not part of the public record? In other words could Moss get off on a technicality?

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I think a Buffalo newspaper got hold of court documents that nailed Moss. Raises the question, would Goodell lower the boom on him based on copies of court documents that are not part of the public record? In other words could Moss get off on a technicality?

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse


What would the "technicality" be?

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Cooley holding for kicks reminds me of the John Brodie story, when asked why he, a million $ QB, was holding the football for kicks said: Well, if I didn't, it would fall over."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:02 PM

Read and comprehend. I didn't say Moss was a co-D. I said they need Moss to corroborate what the co-D said and that's why he hasn't been charged plus the fact that it may be difficult to prove he knew he was getting HGH.

I doubt Dr. G will ever talk. It's not in his interest. Plus they would need more than the Dr's word that Moss knew since the doc is a defendant.

But contention that Moss can't be punished because he didn't know is wrong. If the Dr. is convicted of importing HGH and actovegin for the purpose of treating Moss, as well as actually treating Moss with those substances, that will be more than sufficient for Goodell to punish. The NFL does not test for HGH because it can't do blood test so the only way to ever get someone for it is through other evidence.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

What would the "technicality" be?

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:09 PM |

The technicality would be that the evidence was not obtained through proper channels. In a court of law it's stuff like incriminating evidence that was obtained without a search warrant. The thing is, Goodell is not constrained to make his decisions as if he were a judge in a court of law. He could take the player's side and say that their privacy has to be protected or he could take the business side and say that he was nailed in public so he has to pay the price.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse


Again, the only place where Goodell has any latitiude is under the Personal Conduct policy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It's a fight I'd be waiting to have if I was NFLPA or Santana's lawyer.

What would the league argue, that Santana is responsible for knowing how Galea was treating all his patients?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If we sign Westbrook, then we should try to trade Haynesworth and one of our RBs to the Titans for Chris Johnson.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | May 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think that the Titans would take an over the hill running back and a cancer to the locker room for Chris Johnson, who might be the best RB in the league....never going to happen...keep dreaming.

Posted by: Wagnerchristopher | May 26, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Read and comprehend. I didn't say Moss was a co-D. I said they need Moss to corroborate what the co-D said and that's why he hasn't been charged plus the fact that it may be difficult to prove he knew he was getting HGH.

I doubt Dr. G will ever talk. It's not in his interest. Plus they would need more than the Dr's word that Moss knew since the doc is a defendant.

But contention that Moss can't be punished because he didn't know is wrong. If the Dr. is convicted of importing HGH and actovegin for the purpose of treating Moss, as well as actually treating Moss with those substances, that will be more than sufficient for Goodell to punish. The NFL does not test for HGH because it can't do blood test so the only way to ever get someone for it is through other evidence.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse


Well it wasn't entirely clear that Moss was different from whatever "co-defendant" you were referring to.

I agree that the outcome here depends alot on the investigation and what has been said behind closed doors.

There are a number of charges being brought against Galea. THe Feds could get him on several of them without necessarily having to establish that Galea specifically injected Moss with HGH.

And my point is that if they don't do that, then I have a hard time seeing how Moss gets punished under the NFL PED policy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Again, the only place where Goodell has any latitiude is under the Personal Conduct policy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It's a fight I'd be waiting to have if I was NFLPA or Santana's lawyer.

What would the league argue, that Santana is responsible for knowing how Galea was treating all his patients?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse


Even more than that, it would simply be an end-around the PED policy itself

What would be the point of having a PED policy if Goodell can just unilaterally decide to suspend someone b/c he's pretty sure they used a banned substance with a doctor that he thinks is sketchy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I like us having a little quick guy that can work in space...look at Sproles...granted he's 20lbs heavier, but I'm sure if we keep this dude, we can add some muscle to him.

Posted by: impervious99 | May 26, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The technicality would be that the evidence was not obtained through proper channels. In a court of law it's stuff like incriminating evidence that was obtained without a search warrant. The thing is, Goodell is not constrained to make his decisions as if he were a judge in a court of law. He could take the player's side and say that their privacy has to be protected or he could take the business side and say that he was nailed in public so he has to pay the price.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse


If all you have is a news report citing unnamed sources and documents/evidence that is not verifiable, then you have nothing. That's not even a "technicality".

But Goodell IS restrained by the NFL PED policy. He does not have latitude to act unilaterally to suspend players for PEDs.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

beeps... not that the new topic is any better.

in fact, it's possibly the worst I've ever seen.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the need to have a punter hold instead of the back up quarterback. I would think you would want a guy in there that could throw just in case you wanted to run a fake. I mean, what's a backup QB do most of the time anyway? On the other hand, if the kicker makes a mistake and breaks a punter's finger, the punter could be done for awhile.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse
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It comes down to expendibility. When I played, the QB always held for snaps for the very reason you mentioned. For the threat of faking, for faking, or in case of a bad snap, you've got a guy back there who's has good hands that can recover in time for the kick.

However, as starting QBs are getting hurt frequently, you want your backup QB ready to go. In a tight situation you can always find someone to punt if the punter is hurt. The FK, QB, or somebody on the team that punted in HS/College. Ocho Cinco is the emergency K/P for Bungles, he can do both and is pretty decent at it.

Posted by: clark202 | May 26, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think that the Titans would take an over the hill running back and a cancer to the locker room for Chris Johnson, who might be the best RB in the league....never going to happen...keep dreaming.

Posted by: Wagnerchristopher | May 26, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Many said during the recent draft that if you put Haynesworth in the draft he would easily be the number one pick. He's still the best DT in the league. Throw in Willy Parker or Portis just to give them some options at RB. That's quite a package.

Albert wants to play in a 4-3. Not exactly a 'cancer' in the locker room. The Titans know his value. Portis and Parker are still very respected in the league. Everyone knows we had no OL last season.

I bet some would say we gave too much if we made that trade.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | May 27, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead: I believe the less we have Rex Grossman do the better! Man I can't believe he is on our team. We should have kept JC as the back up for this year and drafted a QB in the 1st 2 rounds next year to compete with Brennan as the #2.

Posted by: avbanig | May 27, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I believe the less we have Rex Grossman do the better! Man I can't believe he is on our team. We should have kept JC as the back up for this year and drafted a QB in the 1st 2 rounds next year to compete with Brennan as the #2.
Posted by: avbanig | May 27, 2010 8:59 AM
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Did it ever occur to you that being in Chicago was a major hindrance to Grossman's production and that maybe this system fits him really well? Kyle Shanahan RECOMMENDED that we pick him up because he personally oversaw how well he handled this system in Houston. Based on that, I'm willing to allow that he's a fine back-up.

Posted by: shanks1 | May 27, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Once again, Fat Albert is in the news and not in a positive way. I said before this guy was signed he was bad news. Once again, he proved it. I would just as soon see him gone. Cut bait and get rid of a scumbag. I know the reaction of some folks will be I am just a hater. Not true but even if it were, it is my right.

Posted by: chopin224 | May 27, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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