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Why Haynesworth, Hall aren't likely to pay the Redskins and leave

It took a little longer than expected to get to the owners' meetings here in Orlando, so I'm only now catching up on my reading.

In his "Under the Cap" column on FootballOutsiders.com, Jimmy I. Halsell, who really knows his numbers, wrote about how the Redskins finally capitalized on the uncapped year in restructuring the contracts of Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall. Haynesworth and Hall were due guaranteed option bonuses of $21 million and $15 million, respectively, so the Redskins converted the option bonuses to signing bonuses and provided each player with voidable clauses in their reworked contracts.

Because the players have the option to void the contracts, the Redskins can assign all of the bonuses to the 2010 uncapped season. From an accounting standpoint, the contracts of Haynesworth and Hall become more manageable moving forward when, presumably, new salary-cap parameters will be included in the NFL's next collective bargaining agreement.

Halsell did an excellent job explaining the numbers for guys even as slow as me, but let's take a closer look at the potential of those player-voidable options. While it's technically true that Haynesworth and Hall could become unrestricted free agents after the 2010 season if they repaid portions of their signing bonus - $16.8 million in Haynesworth's situation, according to Halsell - the possibility of either actually giving back money is, as one agent familiar with the Redskins' maneuvering put it, "really isn't likely at all."

In addition to the converted $21 million bonus, the Redskins also guaranteed Haynesworth's base salaries of $5.4 million this season and $3.6 million in 2011, if the 2011 season is played. Assuming Haynesworth repaid the $16.8 million to become a free agent after next season, he would leave an additional $3.6 million in salary on the table.
So Haynesworth, at minimum, would need another team to guarantee him $20.4 million to at least receive what the Redskins would have paid him.

Haynesworth will be 30 when the 2011 season begins. It is highly doubtful another team would make such a large financial commitment to a defensive tackle at 30 - even someone as talented as Haynesworth. And as for Hall, well, he made it clear to me recently he has been re-energized by the hiring of Coach Mike Shanahan, and the Redskins' top corner is not one to give back money.

Instead of using the uncapped season to sign another high-priced free-agent class, the Redskins have changed direction in an attempt to get their financial house in order. The team's new strategy is a direct reflection of General Manager Bruce Allen's fiscally sound approach, and I would imagine life is much easier for Eric Schaffer, Washington's competent vice president of football administration, who was chiefly responsible for keeping the cap in order during past shopping sprees.

With so much uncertainty about the 2011 season, it is unclear whether the Redskins could retroactively encounter cap problems for their maneuvering in the uncapped year. But regardless of how things play out with the labor negotiations, Haynesworth and Hall probably won't pay the Redskins to leave.

By Jason Reid  |  March 23, 2010; 3:45 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth , Jason Reid  
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No team is going to pick up that hefty a tab for one of these dudes... all in all a smart salary cap move by Bruce Allen, as I read it... savvy... taking advantage of the uncapped year in an unexpected way.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to where the real news breaks!!!

Posted by: MadeRED | March 23, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

WAAAAHHH! WAAAHHHH!! WAHHHHH! I HATE J-REID AND ALL HIS POSTS!

-MadeRED

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

4th , I’m a little confused….who do you think they are going to draft with the 4th pick?

I’m starting to think if you showed us your basement there would be 3,000 copies of your “mock” written in magic marker all over the walls and ceiling with newspaper and magazine cutouts of your picks…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, though, this makes it easier (i.e. a lesser cap hit) to cut them in the future -- especially Hall.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM

Shepard Fairey- Very ugly list, indeed

Jon Jansen 1999 Rd. 2 Pick 37
Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3

This what we need to replicate in this year’s draft. And it just so happens that we pick in almost the same exact position that our bookends from the past were taken. This would give us HOPE in the NFC East and upgrade our line for the next 8-10 years

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, though, this makes it easier (i.e. a lesser cap hit) to cut them in the future -- especially Hall.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I doubt either one of these guys gets cut outright.

Might make it easier to trade them in the future.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Bills to take McCluster?
3:21 PM ET

Buffalo Bills Top Email This week, we've been re-considering the possibilities of the Buffalo Bills trading running back Marshawn Lynch. The main problem is: Who wants him?

But instead of talking about deletions to his roster, Bills head coach Chan Gailey brought up an addition he'd like to make this offseason in comments made to ESPN's AFC East blogger Tim Graham. "The guys that are coming out now, there's a bunch of those 5-9, 185-pound or 195-pound, quick-as-a-cat water bugs that are running backs-slash-receivers that might give you a little bit of a punch on the field, maybe make a big play." It's one of these "water bugs" that Gailey would like to see the team acquire at some point this April.

Looking over the options for this type of player, there's one name that screams out at us: Dexter McCluster. McCluster has been drawing comparisons to Darren Sproles for some time now, and although he disappointed some folks with his performance at the combine, he might be the best fit for what Gailey is after.
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Or Spiller @ #9...

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM

Shepard Fairey- Very ugly list, indeed

Jon Jansen 1999 Rd. 2 Pick 37
Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3

This what we need to replicate in this year’s draft. And it just so happens that we pick in almost the same exact position that our bookends from the past were taken. This would give us HOPE in the NFC East and upgrade our line for the next 8-10 years


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

LOL.

I completely agree. It's sad to know that Samuels was the only 1st round OL drafted in the 2000s. Yikes. And then there's Stephon Heyer. He was an undrafted pick up wasn't he? Now he's one of our starting Guards. Thank you so very much Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3
Michael Moore 2000 Rd. 4 Pick 35
Reggie Coleman 2002 Rd. 6 Pick 20
Derrick Dockery 2003 Rd. 3 Pick 17
Mark Wilson 2004 Rd. 5 Pick 19
Jim Molinaro Rd. 6 Pick 15
Kili Lefotu Rd. 7 Pick 22
Chad Rinehart Rd. 3 Pick 33

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying all along, you are only going to get projects in the 4th round or later. Once in a while someone slips that low. But to come away with starters, get OT's in the early picks. #4 and #37, and I'd be happy. Then get a spare rb, some st players, depth for the roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsFan, are you saying that you think the Patriots shouldn't have been punished for a flagrant violation of a league rule because you believe they didn't benefit from it? Or are you saying that in your opinion they didn't in fact violate a league rule?

I'd disagree with either of those positions, but I'd strongly disagree with the former, particularly its implication that breaking the rules is fine as long as there's no demonstrable proof that any benefit accrued for breaking the rules. That'd be a pretty grim standard for professional conduct, wouldn't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 23, 2010 4:10
Goodell lowers the hammer on Big Ben

Roger Goodell lowered the boom on Ben Roethlisberger, who is embroiled for the second time in the last 3 years, with charges of sexual assault. Big Ben will be suspended for the first 5 games of the 2010 season. More details to follow.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 23, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Wait……they sent Jreid down to the owner’s meetings? Capitolteacher is gonna be pretty po’ed…..he wants jreid to get over to the team’s workouts that happened last week and find out how they are running the team.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's overcompensate the heck out of this line!! How about:

R1: Russell Okung LT
R2: Vlad Ducasse RT/RG
R4: Kyle Calloway RT
R5: Mike Johnson LG
R7: Josh McNeil C

UFA: Dace Richardson LT, Dan Doering RG, Dennis Landholt LG, and bigfoot.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

4th subscribes to the Vinny Ceratto method it sounds like. Spend all money and picks on skill positions and pray like hell to get lucky with a good lineman in the 5th round. Or sign some former high pick who has been out of the league for 2 years. Thankfully I don't think this insanity will continue. Oh and Stephon Heyer sucks, injured or not.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsFan, are you saying that you think the Patriots shouldn't have been punished for a flagrant violation of a league rule because you believe they didn't benefit from it? Or are you saying that in your opinion they didn't in fact violate a league rule?

I'd disagree with either of those positions, but I'd strongly disagree with the former, particularly its implication that breaking the rules is fine as long as there's no demonstrable proof that any benefit accrued for breaking the rules. That'd be a pretty grim standard for professional conduct, wouldn't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Neither, I said the punishment was fair.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oline is overrated. Quick undersized running backs - that's the ticket. Yeah!

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The list goes on. None of those names were drafted in the first 2 rounds. All were speed backs at one point in their careers. A couple were/are feature backs, and damn good ones too. Running backs can be found anywhere.

And if anyone knows where to find a sleeper RB, it's Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2010 3:50 PM

You got me....I should have said up to Round 3.....

Round 4 and beyond are crap shots.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:10 PM

You joke but I'd take that draft over any draft that has us taking Clausen @ #4.

Consider the Jets, who have a top 3 OL
2006 1st #4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson LT
2006 1st #29 Nick Mangold C

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

@LearnedHand - Last year, Heyer was hurt all season.....Dude is only in his 4th year.....Look for the lights to turn on this year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I vote for drafting a left tackle with our first pick and a right tackle with our second pick... and an interior lineman with the third or fourth pick we exercise in this draft.

My man Aaron in the PDX Skins fan group (we had a little powwow last night over some terrific beers) thinks Big Mike Williams might be in the mix for right tackle, having had a year to get his strength and conditioning back after dropping all that weight. That seems like it could work, but unless he's truly improved this offseason I'd rather see BMW as a versatile sixth or seventh OL on the roster than see him starting at RG or RT...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse
As a few others have written, I think our real needs are the 2 OT's. I'm really hoping for Okung at #4, and I would like to see a good serviceable RT picked up at #37. I think our interior linemen will be OK. I like BMW, and with Rino and Hicks, we should be OK there. We do have other needs, so later picks should build up depth in other areas of the roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

NFL passed the OT-in-the-playoffs modification thingy...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5022064

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Fall Creek runs thru the middle of Cornell's campus. The gorge begins at this waterfall in the middle of the campus. The lake in the background is also part of the campus

http://www.flickr.com/photos/foreverdigital/178076842/

A popular swimming area. The flat rock on the right side is called ... wait for it ... Flatrock, and its where the babe (there was only one when I was there) sunbathed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kpmst7/2528543547/

A few yards upstream from Flatrock was the waterfall, where as you can see, people play. It was a blast until the weather cooled.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

4th subscribes to the Vinny Ceratto method it sounds like. Spend all money and picks on skill positions and pray like hell to get lucky with a good lineman in the 5th round. Or sign some former high pick who has been out of the league for 2 years. Thankfully I don't think this insanity will continue. Oh and Stephon Heyer sucks, injured or not.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 4:11 PM

I subscribe to Best Player Available @ Most Valued Position needed.....

With the #4 pick, best value is best player at need positions. QB and LT. But both of the best players will be gone at said position. Next value would be RB, and SPiller would be the best option because he is what CP and LJ are not.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

fredie

"I've been saying all along, you are only going to get projects in the 4th round or later....But to come away with starters, get OT's in the early picks. #4 and #37, and I'd be happy..."


As we enter the final month before the draft, I've re-aligned my own thinking in this regard.

A starting tackle at #4 and #37 would make this draft a victory, not a win.

Two rookie bookend tackles--playing alongside vet guards in Hicks and Dockery--would make more than a lot of sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

A few yards upstream from Flatrock was the waterfall, where as you can see, people play. It was a blast until the weather cooled.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/larslars/812781815/

A mile or so downstream, Ithaca Falls is the largest waterfall on Fall Creek.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattchamplin/290530837/

A different gorge than the prior one. Cascadilla Gorge forms the border of the Cornell campus -- I crossed it every day on my way to classes on a small footbridge. It was further upstream, but still got to see a 3 foot waterfall each day.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wnywaterfallers/3579676539/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"It's hard out here for a pimp..."

--"Hustle and Flow"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@LearnedHand - Last year, Heyer was hurt all season.....Dude is only in his 4th year.....Look for the lights to turn on this year.....
Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM

Wow. Are you seriously saying we don’t need to draft OL (or at least ONE of the tackle spots) because we can pencil in Stephon Heyer to man the position? I am going to be really surprised if you can find anyone up here to agree with that one……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

In winter, people would 'tray' (a minor variation of sledding) down the lengthy slope. It was pretty steep, though its not obvious from the pic. However, instead of using sleds, people would steal trays from the cafeteria and sit on them, hence the name 'traying'.

The folks running the food program always complained about how many trays were stolen. The students complained that if they only used sturdier trays, we wouldn't have to steal so many.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/matt_hintsa/392659069/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

As we enter the final month before the draft, I've re-aligned my own thinking in this regard.

A starting tackle at #4 and #37 would make this draft a victory, not a win.

Two rookie bookend tackles--playing alongside vet guards in Hicks and Dockery--would make more than a lot of sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Moe. 3-4/4-3 hybrid D, and 2 bookend OT's. That would make for a great off-season of work, and would go a long way to making Skins respectable again.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think it's unanimous the fans want tackles in this draft. I'm with you!

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 23, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Consider the Jets, who have a top 3 OL
2006 1st #4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson LT
2006 1st #29 Nick Mangold C

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Great point Diesel. Jets got their line straight, THEN got their franchise QB.

I'm hoping for Okung at #4 and Bruce Campbell at #37.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

You joke but I'd take that draft over any draft that has us taking Clausen @ #4.

Consider the Jets, who have a top 3 OL
2006 1st #4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson LT
2006 1st #29 Nick Mangold C


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

So would I. I do not like Clausen very much. I would love to have 2 tackles with the first two picks. I like Ducasse because I think he could be either a tackle or a guard. I really think we need another running back though. We should also grab another true nose tackle. I'm fine with Kareem Moore at safety. I actually like him. I think we should spend this year evaluating our LBs too before we go replacing them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

View of Cayuga Lake (2nd largest of the Finger Lakes) from the Cornell campus

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thephotoherald/515498226/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Stephon Heyer has proven time in and time out that he just isn't not a starting RT.... and especially not a starting LT. The man is mediocre at best in pass blocking and has proven to be completely useless at run blocking. We were simply became predictable when we ran it because we almost never ran right, and when we did we would always run that stupid fuc^ing stretch play where sellers would split out wide in the TE slot...

Heyer is a fine backup. He can come in and do the job for mop up duty or if someone goes down for a GAME or two... however expecting him to start and be effective is the exact reason we are in this mess. He is not talented enough to be a starting RT and we need an upgrade on that immediately.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, why are you doing this?

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The completely soulless building I spent too many hours in at Cornell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thephotoherald/395112958/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Aaron and I agree, resign Smoot to play free safety.

Yes, we have no OTs, but we have no free safeties either.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Left tackle, quarterback, whatever ...

-------------------------------------------

Pete: Wait a minute. Who elected you leader of this outfit?

Everett: Well Pete, I figured it should be the one with the capacity for abstract thought. But if that ain't the consensus view, then hell, let's put it to a vote.

Pete: Suits me. I'm voting for yours truly.

Everett: Well I'm voting for yours truly too.

[Everett and Pete look at Delmar for the deciding vote]

Delmar: Okay ... I'm with you fellas.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Be wary of Bruce Campbell!!

Hopefully Al Davis will get this guy based on his combine stats.

This is a guy whose game tape does not match up with his combine numbers.


As NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said of Campbell, "If there's a star so far in the Combine, it's him. What he's going to have to overcome is the tape."


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

One would have hoped that while resturcturing the contract, team officials could have figured out a way to get AH92 into the weight and conditioning room.

While much has been made of AH92's "go it alone" approach to off season training... and his alleged desire to return to his pre-Redskin form, some will also recall that Fat Albert had already established a well-deserved reputation for taking plays off, faking injuries and tapping out during his earlier stint in Tennessee.

And one would think that the least he could have done last season after signing his $100 million contract was show up in playing condition, but Fat Albert couldn't bother, nor did he seem to exert himself much during the pre-season exhibitions and early season games against some admittedly weak opponents. It was only later in the season when he appeared to get his wind and legs back, and consistently play with the strength and determination expected of him.

Especially given the amount of money involved here, one would think the team would have a vested interest in ensuring that Fat Albert shows up for the next season in his best shape ever, and not just in 'good' shape like his 2007 or 2008 campaigns.

Same goes with CP26 who apparently decided to forego the $500,000 workout bonus before last season... and consequently reported to training camp fat, slow and lazy. Than as the season went on, a series of mysterious injuries kept him from practicing and playing (again). However, that didn't stop CP26 from collecting $7+ million for a little over 400 yards of offensive production during the early part of the 2009 season, before he suffered his season-ending concussion.

$500,000 may sound like a lot of money to some of us, but apparently CP26 didn't think it was worth it. All of his posturing aside, I wonder if fans are due for another repeat of his substandard performance this season.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 23, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, why are you doing this?

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

He is just reppin his school man.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

In ALL J Reid's posts, he makes it sound like the free agents the Skins brought in decided to walk away and sign with someone else- in other words, they REJECTED US.

But isn't it possible that we gave them a bare bones offer or NO OFFER and we chose not to sign them? In other words, take it or leave it.

I know this is totally opposite of the ways things went down in Redskins Park in the past. But continually stating the players rejected us is pure speculation....right?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

is this the Cornell equivalent of Anyone have Marty S e-mail?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What the campus looked like a lot of the time, simultaneously lovely and bleak. Note the time of the pic, 1pm. Lotta gray for 1pm.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/matt_hintsa/390546101/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Are you seriously saying we don’t need to draft OL (or at least ONE of the tackle spots) because we can pencil in Stephon Heyer to man the position? I am going to be really surprised if you can find anyone up here to agree with that one……


Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 4:28 PM

No. I said don't jump off the Heyer Bandwagon.....yet....

I said nothing about him starting, but he could start depending on what happens.

I have been suggesting drafting our LT in the 2nd round and Value @#4.....

I've never looked for anyone to agree with me.....It hardly has happened in the past 3/4 years.....But my 'crazy' ideas have come to fruitation more times than not....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for Okung in the 1st and a RT in the second. QB in 2011.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 23, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, why are you doing this?

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

He is just reppin his school man.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

My sweet 16 school :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

LT and RT , #4,#37 all the way!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | March 23, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Tony Dungy in love with Tebow?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, why are you doing this?

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 4:35 PM

He is just reppin his school man.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 4:40 PM

I thought it was a filibuster.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

is this the Cornell equivalent of Anyone have Marty S e-mail?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 4:42 PM


This is approaching disaster aircraft carrier territory. My visual for this guy is now Andrew Bernard aka the Nard Dog.

If we draft Spiller at 4 and go into the season with a line of LT unknown-Dockery-Rabach-Hicks-Heyer, he better be Barry Sanders. Those are the kinds of runs we will need with that sieve.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

From the day James Naismith put up his hoop, the phrases 'Cornell has won' and 'basketball' rarely appeared in the same sentence. Until now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for Okung at #4 and Bruce Campbell at #37.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 4:30 PM

This would be a dream scenario, I’d sign up for that right now. I don’t believe you draft RT only prospects in the first 2 RDs but Campbell has a ton of talent and both are LT prospects.

Campbell is an athletic marvel with freakish measurables but it’s never really translated to the field even in the weak ACC…however @ #37 that would be a great pick because he could be a stud @ RT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

zeke wins the prize for weirdest/most enjoyable running gag up here today, in my book.

Them shore are purty pitchers. Cornell looks real nice.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

LTs must be taken in the 1st round. Okung at #4.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 23, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

NFL overtime rule change approved.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 23, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I guess at #37 we look for 1 of Davis, Williams, Brown, or Bulaga to fall. If none of them are there then who do you guys like?

What if they are all gone and Vlad Ducasse is gone?

I think we should draft Andrew Tyshovnytsky in the 5th just to see if we can fit that on a jersey.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, though, this makes it easier (i.e. a lesser cap hit) to cut them in the future -- especially Hall.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse
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Cut them in the future... why do you want to cut them in the future? They were and are good... not their fault we overpaid them... we had jokers as coaches and did not make good use of them....

Posted by: ghantabro | March 23, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

And Nate and SMACK were worried about me being insufferable?!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the Cornell commercial during the game? "Cornell University. Where our motto is 'An institution where any person can find instruction in air craft carrier disaster relief.' "

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 23, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsfan, right on, I gotcha, thanks, I think we're in agreement on the Pats' punishment being fair.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

This is approaching disaster aircraft carrier territory. My visual for this guy is now Andrew Bernard aka the Nard Dog.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for a pic of the acapella group.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

You'd have to go a long way to be insufferable, 4-12. It was downright cute seeing you try to rile up the G'town faithful up here last weekend. God bless you and your spunky Bobcats!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse


This is approaching disaster aircraft carrier territory. My visual for this guy is now Andrew Bernard aka the Nard Dog.

Posted by: ToddStinkston

Couple pics of me to help with the visual, and so you can recognize me when we cross paths:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/95114862

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:51 PM

Pouncey, Campbell may be there, Jared Veldheer

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the Cornell commercial during the game? "Cornell University. Where our motto is 'An institution where any person can find instruction in air craft carrier disaster relief.' "

Posted by: learnedhand1

I'm so happy about that

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is an athletic marvel with freakish measurables but it’s never really translated to the field even in the weak ACC…however @ #37 that would be a great pick because he could be a stud @ RT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Agreed....and didn't he also play Guard and/or Center at some point?

Draft OL and hopefully some versatile OL dudes.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

... Andrew Tyshovnytsky ...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 4:51 PM

gesundheit

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This is approaching disaster aircraft carrier territory. My visual for this guy is now Andrew Bernard aka the Nard Dog.

Posted by: ToddStinkston

Couple pics of me to help with the visual, and so you can recognize me when we cross paths:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/95114862

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

haha, what the hell? Are you on the right or left? Which begs the question, are you man or woman?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for a pic of the acapella group.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 4:57 PM

Glee club video clips in previous threads.

As long as we're on the first-two-picks on O-line, then this center/guard fella, Pouncey sounds about right for the other pick. I like how the Jets' formula worked out.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen's toe "not as strong as I would like it"

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 23, 2010 4:50 PM ET

Notre Dame had its Pro Day on Tuesday, but quarterback Jimmy Clausen was just a spectator. Clausen, who's recovering from toe surgery, said he just started running and still isn't ready to go through a complete workout for NFL scouts.

"It's coming along," Clausen told Brian Hamilton of the Chicago Tribune. "[Monday] was the first day I've been able to run since surgery. Just jogged around the track a little bit. Two laps and I was pretty winded. But it felt good. It's not as strong as I want it, coming off of surgery, but it's getting there."

It's a little surprising that a draft prospect would admit to being in anything other than perfect health and great shape, but Clausen says that he'll be ready to throw by April 9, when he'll work out for NFL personnel in South Bend.

"It's hard not being able to go out there and run a 40, do a shuttle, throw the ball, do all those things," Clausen said. "But I'll be able to throw out there on the ninth and I think that's what coaches want to see."

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

haha, what the hell? Are you on the right or left? Which begs the question, are you man or woman?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse |

Here's a pic of the gf

http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/?mId=35609180.3

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Aye Nate. Too bad there weren't any G'Town fans up here to take the bait.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to where the real news breaks!!!

Posted by: MadeRED | March 23, 2010 3:53 PM

Shutduhellup dooshe baig.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

haha, what the hell? Are you on the right or left? Which begs the question, are you man or woman?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse |

Here's a pic of the gf

http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/?mId=35609180.3

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

LOL. too funny, too funny.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Tony Dungy in love with Tebow?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 |

Dungy's married and faithful. So go ahead and ask Tebow out.

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Last year, Heyer was hurt all season.....Dude is only in his 4th year.....Look for the lights to turn on this year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM

I can see that happening. 6 AM final cut down day. Turk enters Heyer's room, the light's turn on.

"Coach wants to see you, bring your playbook."

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Halsell explains it much better. Click on the link...looks like we really caught a break!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's overcompensate the heck out of this line!! How about:

R1: Russell Okung LT
R2: Vlad Ducasse RT/RG
R4: Kyle Calloway RT
R5: Mike Johnson LG
R7: Josh McNeil C

UFA: Dace Richardson LT, Dan Doering RG, Dennis Landholt LG, and bigfoot.

You forgot MATT McCRACKEN, LG, 6'5" 300, U of R.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Last year, Heyer was hurt all season.....Dude is only in his 4th year.....Look for the lights to turn on this year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 4:19 PM

I can see that happening. 6 AM final cut down day. Turk enters Heyer's room, the light's turn on.

"Coach wants to see you, bring your playbook."

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. LOL. Funny.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

If Heyer was gonna get cut, they would have place a 4th round tendor to see if another team would take the bait....

4-12 - I am a GTown fan first, MD fan secondary.....Once GTown lost....I haven't even been thinking about the tourney, other the fact I will win the RI Bracket....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I met both zeke and his lady friend, and enjoyed a delightful tailgate that they hosted at the Oakland game in December. They're both lovely people, and I recommend them highly if you're ever looking for tailgate partners in the Bay Area.

(Though I doubt a Cornell man would've been much use if we'd had to fight our way out of the Coliseum. Fortunately the Raider faithful were so dispirited by the end of the game that it didn't come to that.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If Heyer didn't have a chance, he wouldn't be on the roster.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Willie and I were trying to remember the four teams the Redskins beat in 2009... anybody able to name them off the top of your head without checking the interwebs?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Rams, Bucs, Broncos and Raiders.

F going 4-12

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Halsell explains it much better. Click on the link...looks like we really caught a break!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse


We basically get to pay off the tab on their big option bonuses all this year without any ramifications for the cap in the future.

That's very good.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:26 PM
that's like escape from oakland...need snake plissken on your side for a situation like that

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 23, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Nate-

Rams, Broncos, Raiders, TB

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Not a bad idea, terrapin3.

Come to think of it, Snake Plissken wouldn't at all look out of place at a Raiders game.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the Lions are giving everyone the misdirection play here...they'll take Suh #2 and we'll get Okung at #4.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping, but I wouldn't count on it as a lock-down. Unless you're the kind of guy who would pick KANSAS to win it all. BIG 12 way overated. KY's got the goods this year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

(Though I doubt a Cornell man would've been much use if we'd had to fight our way out of the Coliseum. Fortunately the Raider faithful were so dispirited by the end of the game that it didn't come to that.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:26 PM

Did you meet Kost? Try any of that Veggie-Mite??

I swear Kost a Million and One different BEers while he was here.......

Too bad they wouldn't let him into Skins stadium with his book bag, but yet I hid 6 beers and a footlong sausage in my back pocket.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know you were a G'town fan, 4th....we could have gone double or nothing on the 1738!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Hotel, motel, Holiday Inn...

..if yo girl starts actin' up,..

..then you take her firend.."

--SugarHill Gang, "Rapper's Delight"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Leave Heyer alone. It isn't his fault that the mgmt assembled a horrible line. Heyer works hard, hustles, and catches snakes with his bare hands while his teammates scream like girls.

That's pretty good dexterity for a guy that size.

I'm all for an Okung, then best available O line at #37.

I really hope they don't take a QB at 4, but have accepted that IF Bradford is there, we'll probably take him.

Okung, please be there.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

(Though I doubt a Cornell man would've been much use if we'd had to fight our way out of the Coliseum. Fortunately the Raider faithful were so dispirited by the end of the game that it didn't come to that.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 5:26 PM

Did you meet Kost? Try any of that Veggie-Mite??

I swear Kost a Million and One different BEers while he was here.......

Too bad they wouldn't let him into Skins stadium with his book bag, but yet I hid 6 beers and a footlong sausage in my back pocket.....

Posted by: 4thFloor


Kost has a lot of storage space on that Chris Cooley size frame of his.

If you ever have a chance to try vegemite, don't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

(Though I doubt a Cornell man would've been much use if we'd had to fight our way out of the Coliseum. Fortunately the Raider faithful were so dispirited by the end of the game that it didn't come to that.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Don't forget that I'm also over the hill ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have an informed opinion on where the skins are gonna pick up their starting FS? Trade(carter), draft (fourth rnd), develop our current players (doughty, moore)?
I'd say a late-spring FA or someone on the roster will step-up, but not sure who might emerge and when.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping, but I wouldn't count on it as a lock-down. Unless you're the kind of guy who would pick KANSAS to win it all. BIG 12 way overated. KY's got the goods this year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 5:32 PM


Believe it or not, Kansas didn't hurt my bracket at all...I had them losing to MD in the next round anyway. It's the Terps and Hoyas that screwed me...that'll teach me for being a homer.

BTW, gotta love how JReid just cuts and pastes...this whole thread is direct rip-off of a PFT post from 12:55 today. I woulda thrown my name into the hat for this gig if I woulda known it was just data entry...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Heyer works hard, hustles, and catches snakes with his bare hands while his teammates scream like girls.

Pabrian

Hahahahha, I feel yuh. If he can't pass block though what good is he?
He looks like an awkwardly built gorilla with a bag of concrete strapped to his butt when he plays...Im not sure what he's good for.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Kost has a lot of storage space on that Chris Cooley size frame of his.

If you ever have a chance to try vegemite, don't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 5:41 PM

When 4-12 and Kost came to my door....I was the shortest (NEver thought 2 white guys were gonna out do the brother....j/king).....But your right.....Kost could have been a contendor.....

And I only tried the Veggie-Mite because the guy came all the waay from across the world to have us Americans without Maps try the Veggie-Mite.

I did. I hated. I was conquered.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW, gotta love how JReid just cuts and pastes...this whole thread is direct rip-off of a PFT post from 12:55 today. I woulda thrown my name into the hat for this gig if I woulda known it was just data entry...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Down with that, but that's how he rolls.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

with a bag of concrete strapped to his butt when he plays...
Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:48 PM
they said he was hurt most of the year, maybe that explains his odd-looking stance before the snap

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

F Vegemite. My goodness, zeke...thanks for the reminder.

I still have the tube of it that Kost gave me...it's sitting on the shelf, like a souvenir.

I'm looking forward to the Aussie Rules Championship Game video that he's sending my way...hopefully his beloved Geelong Cats are in it.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayo-

Today that would be Moore. He was an AP All-American in 2008 @ Nicholls State.

Your guess is as good as mine whether they upgrade via the draft or a trade.

I'm disappointed the past regime chose not to play the young guys for not only developmental reasons but to see if they can play.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know you were a G'town fan, 4th....we could have gone double or nothing on the 1738!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2010 5:37 PM

I was gonna say something before the game but didn't want to rub it in.

I was gonna say something after the game but I was shell shocked for 3 days......Now embarrased....

Bring BAck JTII!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain vegemite to me? i remember the reference in that men at work song. is it like an australian vegetable version of spam?

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain vegemite to me? i remember the reference in that men at work song. is it like an australian vegetable version of spam?

Posted by: terrapin3

Its like nothing you ever want to taste

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

where the Geelong Cats play some of their games

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/94880752

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:02 PM
if i am ever presented with a vegemite sandwich i will definitely pass it up, good to know

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 23, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:02 PM
if i am ever presented with a vegemite sandwich i will definitely pass it up, good to know

Posted by: terrapin3

Go with the dirt sandwich instead. You'll enjoy it more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, gotta love how JReid just cuts and pastes...this whole thread is direct rip-off of a PFT post from 12:55 today."


I'm not gonna knock the mayor's hustle.

But from what I remember about La Canfora, not too many people liked his 'stir the pot' style of threads either.

He'd toss out some analysis of the redskin front office clueless shenanigans, and folks howled that he must hate the team or something.

Running RI is a '...can't win for losing' operation...'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"If Heyer didn't have a chance, he wouldn't be on the roster."


Chris Foerster, the new line coach, has three projects ahead of him:

S Heyer

E Williams

C Rhinehart

If he can find players in these guys, it would be great as it would really improve the depth we have in the offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain vegemite to me? i remember the reference in that men at work song. is it like an australian vegetable version of spam?

Terrapin

Sort of. It is a salty paste made of vegetable proteins and vitamins and similar to spam it was developed by the military/government to sustain troops.

To this day in Hawaii, spam remains a commonly-served meat in restaurants and the Aussies still eat Vegemite, despite the fact that they are both horrible.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"If Heyer didn't have a chance, he wouldn't be on the roster.

Chris Foerster, the new line coach, has three projects ahead of him:

S Heyer

E Williams

C Rhinehart

If he can find players in these guys, it would be great as it would really improve the depth we have in the offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 6:15 PM
heyer's decent depth, i think edwin williams can play, but from what i understand rinehart is complete garbage. i'm not at all displeased with the lack of offseason moves so far but we need more help. of course i am an unabashed kool-aid drinker (i like mine mixed with cheap vodka) so i figure this thing could get turned around quick assuming the proper FO decisions

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 23, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Go with the dirt sandwich instead. You'll enjoy it more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:08 PM |

And you, dude, could use a dirt nap yourself. You'll enjoy it.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Go with the dirt sandwich instead. You'll enjoy it more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 6:08 PM |

And you, dude, could use a dirt nap yourself. You'll enjoy it.

Posted by: ElDrano

Dirt nap = camping? This is the way I like to camp ...

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/76269097

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have an informed opinion on where the skins are gonna pick up their starting FS? Trade(carter), draft (fourth rnd), develop our current players (doughty, moore)?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:43 PM |

Some of the dipsticks (read: "informed opinion") on this blog think the Skins will draft Eric "Acai" Berry.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

All this Cornell talk reminds me of my college, and football. There are two colleges in Ithaca, Cornell and Ithaca College. There is a State school near by where us poor people went called Cortland State (SUNY). Unknown to most of the rest of the world the biggest little game in the country is played between I.C. and C-State(Cortica jug)... I.C. you suck! Go C-state...

Posted by: Burrasta1 | March 23, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yayah, we're gonna send Albert and DeAngelo to the f***in' CONGO to be our ambassadores of goodwill, who wants to show UP FOR AN OUTRAGE!?! They'd die for a pittance of what you got....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLY5v8ZAiv4

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Dirt nap = camping?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 7:01 PM |

Hey go for it dude. Camp til you cramp.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Not starting the Tebow debate again...just thought this was kinda funny. From PFT:

Tebow's pre-Wonderlic prayer request falls flat
Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2010 7:20 PM ET
As we've mentioned once or twice, quarterback Tim Tebow's habit of openly expressing his religious beliefs could potentially rub folks the wrong way, especially in a locker room of grown men who choose to keep their beliefs to themselves, who don't share his beliefs at all, and/or who only want to hear "God bless" after they have sneezed.

We're told that Tebow already has gotten a taste of the resistance he might face at the next level.

At the Scouting Combine, the Wonderlic exam is administered to players in groups. The 12-minute test is preceded by some brief instructions and comments from the person administering the test.

Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.

We're not passing judgment on this one; we're just passing along what we've heard. And it illustrates the type of challenges that could be faced by the team that drafts Tebow.

That said, some teams might embrace those challenges. The final decision will depend largely on the composition of the team, and the personalities of the coach, the G.M., and the owner.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

All right. I've defended Tebow up to this point for his right to believe as he wants and talk about it if he likes but now he has gone a little far. I think he needs to take it down a notch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Tebow's pre-Wonderlic prayer request falls flat

Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2010 7:20 PM ET

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 7:26 PM |

As it turns out the dude needed all the divivine intervention he could get on the Wonderlic exam. Christ was not happy with the result. He don't want no dummies on his team..

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

heyer catching snakes with his bare hands has nothing to do with pro football. heyer is NOT a good o-lineman I would not mind washington drafting LT then RT with first two picks and have potentially starting line from left to right..okung,dockery,e.williams,m.williams,hicks,(with rookie RT waiting in the wings.)

Posted by: wathu19 | March 23, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Just sayin', we love the Big Al Bulldozer when he's in there, just get YOUR RICH NFL ARSE IN SHAPE, you know, you sat too much last year, LETS GO!!! OI!!!

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Former Terp O linemen:

Campbell = chiseled

Heyer = the block before it meets the chisel

Williams = industrial strength bandage ad

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

heyer is NOT a good o-lineman...

Posted by: wathu19 | March 23, 2010 7:45 PM

While I agree Heyer is no star, the following is from espn.com regarding the Heyer...

"Also Tuesday, tackle Stephen Heyer was awarded $265,000 from the NFL's performance-based pay pool, which compensates players whose playing time was disproportionate to their salaries. Heyer started every game last season while making about $467,000."


Posted by: BigE44 | March 23, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

RI:

But regardless of how things play out with the labor negotiations, Haynesworth and Hall probably won't pay the Redskins to leave.

Mebbe not but if memory serves LaVar did just that. He in the glass house who now heaps scorn on Big Al.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Looking back with 20-20 hindsight, the Skins drafting three DBs with consecutive top ten draft picks in the space of 4 years and drafting three receivers in the 2nd round of 2008 are all real headscratchers. Top tens are for impact players like QBs and stud RBs. And three receivers with 2008 2nd round picks when there were obvious needs elsewhere? What was going on in the FO? Too much dank in draft planning sessions?

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

All this Cornell talk reminds me of my college, and football. There are two colleges in Ithaca, Cornell and Ithaca College. There is a State school near by where us poor people went called Cortland State (SUNY). Unknown to most of the rest of the world the biggest little game in the country is played between I.C. and C-State(Cortica jug)... I.C. you suck! Go C-state...

Posted by: Burrasta1

Wow!! Cortland State, didn't realize it'd become a SUNY.

The weather in Ithaca is so funky, they played a football game up there and no one could see what was going on for a few minutes. The announcers knew there was a game going on down below, they just couldn't see it. The stat sheet credited the yards gained to 'team'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Its a fact, Budweiser in massive quantities CURES RADIATION SICKNESS, you gotta FLUSHHHHH!!!!!!! My lymphnodes was swoll and my sister was writing her last will and testament, and I was CURED, PRAISE JESUS, it's true and documented , flush out the poison atomics wid BEER!!!!!

Albert, get yer a** into camp!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wj3fTwCfsI

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"Said one of the other players in response (to Tim Tebow's request a group prayer): "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.

Can we draft the guy whose response to Tim Tebow's desire for group prayer before the Wonderlic is, "Shut the f!ck up!"?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

My lymphnodes was swoll and my sister was writing her last will and testament, and I was CURED, PRAISE JESUS ...

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 8:50 PM |

Do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. Do not get drunk on beer, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

All Weather Bowl?

The NFL is contemplating holding the 2014 Super Bowl in New Jersey.

Tony Soprano, are you listening?

I think the idea is cool as the thought of an outdoor championship in what might be bad weather is a nice game changer.

I predict and Tampa Bay v. Chargers game, btw.

(yes, I got jokes)

Thing is, it's a one time deal, so you can fuggidabout a Super Bowl at Fedex Field in early February.

Although it would be nice if it happened and it was a home game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Can we draft the guy whose response to Tim Tebow's desire for group prayer before the Wonderlic is, "Shut the f!ck up!"?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 8:53 PM |

Knowing him it was probably Jimmy C. And mebbe we will draft him. Or not.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is contemplating holding the 2014 Super Bowl in New Jersey.

I think the idea is cool as the thought of an outdoor championship in what might be bad weather is a nice game changer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 9:03 PM |

Hey, given how global warming is heating up we could be going to the game in our shirtsleeves by 2014.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

And now that I have spent my .02 on Tebow's overreligiosity I will say F all of you for your overexuberent antireligiosity. You're just as bad as Tebow and giant phukin' hypocrits, you're just on opposite sides of the same coin.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"You're just as bad as Tebow (overreligiosity) and giant phukin' hypocrits, you're just on opposite sides of the same coin."


Actually, I prefer Tebow's hyper-Christianity to the strip club, diamond earrings, guns in the lockerroom, baby momma in every city mentality afflicting so many wealthy athletes.

Why?

Jealousy.

Why lie about it?

If I had the the fame, the chedda, and the freedom these guys have at age 25, I'd live so large Pacman Jones himself would have to sit me down for a mentoring chat.

So I like guys like Tebow because being holy is free and easy.

Especially of you're broke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

You've always got an interesting spin Moe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Th e hillbillys say the termites don't come up over 18" onto your house when the winter breaks, I've had big company exterminaters whisper to me that a good fat queen was worth a few thousand bucks if they could plant it right in the house, so be on yer toes , you homies...Get you some malathine at S. States and do it yourselves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBm56qSS58Q

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why anyone would wanna get rid of Hall or Hayney in the first place. Hayney opens himself up for criticism, but dude dominated while he was in there. And I'll be interested to see which Hall shows up--Pro Bowl or bowled over--next year.

And F Tebow.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 23, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

So I like guys like Tebow because being holy is free and easy.

Especially of you're broke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 9:28 PM |

Not so easy these days. Everyone out there thinks it's ok to attack Christians these days. Not so free either

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/redskins

Look at the first video. The DBs are on the treadmill. The one to keep your eye on is Kevein Barnes. Lucky for him, training camp is still a few months away.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Whoops!

Laron looks like he's ready to go. Putting on some bulk...prepping for some reps at ILB, anyone?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 23, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Barnes looking like he's getting worked.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

What we need is a great Free Agent safety pick up...

Someone like, "The Sheriff"
aka: Stanley Richards

MAN, he was BEAST, huh?
remember that?

Posted by: Thinker_ | March 23, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Made you think TWICE before coming across the middle!

Had to say to yourself, "I hope I don't step on his throat after I run him over... I might turn my ankle."

Posted by: Thinker_ | March 23, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

Nice video. Of a all the physical specimens UMD has produced, Barnes is not one of them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Alright guys I'm starting a new segment to replace the sorely missed NewsRadio clips. It's called "Oh My God look at that mullet!" First up...Richard Marx

http://sloppyjoe72.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/rmarx.jpg

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind Tebow bein' all Christian and such, just so long as he wins like Gibbs use to..Though Gibbs was more reserved in his faith, maybe..

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Alright guys I'm starting a new segment to replace the sorely missed NewsRadio clips. It's called "Oh My God look at that mullet!" First up...Richard Marx

http://sloppyjoe72.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/rmarx.jpg

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice! If you check his lyrics for "Right Here Waiting For You", you'll notice the creepiness...

For top honors I submit:

http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/mullet%5B1%5D_0.jpg

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 23, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind Tebow bein' all Christian and such, just so long as he wins like Gibbs use to..Though Gibbs was more reserved in his faith, maybe..

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 10:14 PM

+1

Unless another team drafts him, then he becomes the enemy and we want him to fail when he plays the Redskins!

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh, thats just granted, Vicc, I'm just goin with the hypnotize pre-draft mantra...Keepin' it liquid, like the Tao...

Posted by: frak | March 23, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

So OT rules in playoffs differ from OT in regular season?

Geez.

No wonder D. McNabb didn't know football games could end in a tie. Da rules change every year...

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

That was actually my submission for tomorrow RLB. I've got plenty more though so maybe we can get a bunch of people to post one a day and pick the winner every night for RI bonus points.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"I've been saying all along, you are only going to get projects in the 4th round or later. Once in a while someone slips that low. But to come away with starters, get OT's in the early picks." posted by frediefritz

I believe you've been saying that all along, but would you take a moment and prove it's true? It shouldn't be difficult. Just review the teams in the NFL and note how they obtained their starting linemen -- via early picks vs later picks vs undrafted vs free agents vs what have you -- and the rightness of your position should be obvious.

Unless you're wrong, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Keepin' it liquid, like the Tao...

Posted by: frak


ahhhh...unlike the Dao. Ginger heats the body. If you build enough Chi, you can glow!

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

mmmmmm, bonus points.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 23, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Under the new rules in overtime,

if i lost the coin toss,

i'd onside kick it,

everytime.

i'll tell my team that it's okay to let up a FG, jus no tds.

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Mock draft analysis 321 drafts surveyed

#1 - Bradford 47%, Suh 26%, Clausen 26%
#2 - Suh 50%, Okung 25%, G.McCoy 23%, Berry 2%
#3 - G.McCoy 50%, Berry 21%, Suh 21%, Okung 4%, Clausen 2%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Okung 31%, Clausen 30%, Bradford 26%, G.McCoy 3%, Berry 3%
#5 - Berry 31%, Okung 29%, Bulaga 14%, Davis 7%, McClain 6%, Campbell 4%, Bradford 2%
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Bradford solidifying slot #1

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 23, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Everyone out there thinks it's ok to attack Christians these days.

Posted by: scampbell1975

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This is the very reason I believe Tebow will fail in the NFL. He's a hella good athlete and his work ethic is on point!

However, any public misstep or interception thrown or fumble lost and the media/fans will make sure it is magnified!

Basically Tebow made the mistake of letting every1 who didn't know, that he was a Christian. Apparently our constitution is not enough to guarantee Tebow the right to practice religion outside the confines of church.

America is phasing religion out.

Successful Christians impede progress.

Nobody wants to be told how to live and how can you blame 'em.

Being a Christian isn't the only sin though...apparently receiving a 40 million dollar signing bonus is a sin too. 90% of comments about Fat Albert are negative and his contract gets mentioned 95% of the time...or so it seems

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Everyone out there thinks it's ok to attack Christians these days.

Posted by: scampbell1975
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these days...

been doing it ever since the Roman Empire dude!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 23, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Everyone out there thinks it's ok to attack Christians these days.

Posted by: scampbell1975
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Maybe if Tebow does what no QB has done for the Skins in a long time and brings them from behind for a win.. Then and only then will no one care if he is a Hindu or a Honda.

Why is everyone picking out Tebow on this Christian issue??
If you're in the Skins locker-room you will easily notice that more than half the players have crosses or scripture numbers or Biblical references tatoo'd on their necks, arms, backs, etc.. And its their right.

Again, what makes Tebow so different that its a problem, now?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Again, what makes Tebow so different that its a problem, now?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2010 12:11 AM

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Let mack1 explain it to you:

He's a god fearing young man. And therefore a coward. No thanks.

Posted by: mack1 | March 18, 2010 8:26 AM

+++

....Religions are a lot like Gator quarterbacks: terrible.

Posted by: mack1 | March 18, 2010 9:09 AM

Posted by: Vicc | March 24, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Seems like I always underestimate the tolerance of Bean and Funk.

Posted by: mack1 | March 18, 2010 9:09 AM


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You said it mack1.

intolerance sux. oh and religion sux too!

the term Sarcasm was included in my GED prep course...lol

Posted by: Vicc | March 24, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Skins need to draft Okung with #4 pick and draft at least 2 more OL to develop some young depth. If Okung is gone at 4 then trade down to add antoher pick to use on more depth

Posted by: txskinsfan1 | March 23, 2010 5:08 PM

But what if Suh is sitting there at pick 4?

Posted by: abxinc | March 24, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse


A starting tackle at #4 and #37 would make this draft a victory, not a win.

Two rookie bookend tackles--playing alongside vet guards in Hicks and Dockery--would make more than a lot of sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 4:23 PM

I actually smell a trade down from 4 to pick more O's.

Posted by: abxinc | March 24, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

love the Mike Bass video

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/redskins

My Mom met him, had nothing but nice things to say about him. Of course, he was very involved in one of the most famous plays in Redskins history -- even though most people don't know it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

sure, mike bass returned the blocked garo yepremian FG for the 'skins only score in the 1972 SB. Billy Kilmer could have thrown a TD pass in the game but missed his wide open receiver, hitting the crossbar instead

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 24, 2010 2:09 AM | Report abuse

sure, mike bass returned the blocked garo yepremian FG for the 'skins only score in the 1972 SB. Billy Kilmer could have thrown a TD pass in the game but missed his wide open receiver, hitting the crossbar instead

Posted by: terrapin3

Yup. It was Jerry Smith who was the intended receiver on that play, the ball was thrown a little behind him, Smith was torquing his body to catch it. Little doubt Smith would have caught it -- he had the best hands on the team, even better than Charley Taylor. Though I'm sure it happened, I actually can't recall Smith ever dropping a pass.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Saying a silent prayer to yourself (and God of course) before you take the Wonderlic is a great thing to do if you find strength via God's help.

Stopping the administration of the test and interrupting the mental preparation of the other 11 young men ready to take the test by praying aloud is selfish, stupid and arrogant. I imagine the room was already tired of his holier roller approach anyway.

Gibbs might have drafted him.

Shanny prays at a different church, and they don't pray before each and every event in life.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 24, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

jerry smith...oughtta be in the Hall

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 24, 2010 2:40 AM | Report abuse

I stood in line for 3 hours to get Mike Bass' autograph when I was 10.

Same thing for Chris Hanburger when he opened his Ford Store in College park.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 24, 2010 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Smith... The Tight End.

Great football player and great Redskin.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 24, 2010 2:43 AM | Report abuse

I stood in line for 3 hours to get Mike Bass' autograph when I was 10.

Same thing for Chris Hanburger when he opened his Ford Store in College park.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 24, 2010 2:42 AM
only time i got to meet any of the players was in 2000 when they opened the wings togo in twinbrook...james thrash, irving fryar and larry centers...all three of them hella nice

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 24, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

so the only soda i had to mix with my captain morgan was ginger ale...it's, like, a whole new taste treat, y'know? and yes, i AM drinking alone

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 24, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

The Captain and Ginger


Sounds like a porn theme

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 24, 2010 3:08 AM | Report abuse

lol yeah i can hear the wah-wah pedal now...

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 24, 2010 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Basically Tebow made the mistake of letting every1 who didn't know, that he was a Christian. Apparently our constitution is not enough to guarantee Tebow the right to practice religion outside the confines of church.

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 11:41 PM


I disagree...what gets Tebow in trouble about his religion isn't that he's Christian, it's that he feels the need to bring it up so ridiculously often. Darrell Green and Joe Gibbs don't get persecuted for their beliefs and neither did Reggie White or Aeneas Williams or Irving Fryar or Mike Singletary. Those guys knew there was a time for football and a time for preaching. Just like you wouldn't talk football in the pulpit, you shouldn't talk religion in the locker room (unless, of course, someone is open to hearing it).

In today's society, two topics should be approached with the utmost caution: religion and politics. Too many strong feelings involved in both to just throw your own beliefs into the public domain all willy-nilly. The sooner Tebow gets a grasp of that concept, the better off he'll be.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

I believe you've been saying that all along, but would you take a moment and prove it's true? It shouldn't be difficult. Just review the teams in the NFL and note how they obtained their starting linemen -- via early picks vs later picks vs undrafted vs free agents vs what have you -- and the rightness of your position should be obvious.

Unless you're wrong, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse
Samson, my statement has been more specific, but I'll research it if there is a way. The point I'm trying to make is that there aren't too many LT's ready to start and play well in their rookie or 2nd year in the league. We need a starting LT. Yes, there are guys drafted later who eventually can play the position. I'm talking about drafting a LT to start this year. There are people on the blog saying we can get a LT later in the draft, and my statement is that they will be projects, not ready to start this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 24, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

The Wall Street Jackal reports the Redskins are in negotiations to trade comrade Haynesworth to Red China for three sewing girls, four washerwomen and a sidedish to be named later.
Previous attempts to trade him for his equivalent weight in Kung Pao noodles were politely declined by the Chairman, but reportedly has kept the trapdoor in front of his desk open in order to air out the stench...

Posted by: frak | March 24, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/redskins

Look at the first video. The DBs are on the treadmill. The one to keep your eye on is Kevein Barnes. Lucky for him, training camp is still a few months away.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 9:41 PM
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I have a feeling that didn't go unnoticed by the trainers and coaches. You had better believe someone is going to be all over his butt for the next month. He needs to get his body right in a hurry or this staff will bounce him like a rubber ball.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 24, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

"You've always got an interesting spin..."


'Spin' is the essence of of good jibba-jabba.

Being able to always see the other side of things is what happens as you age.

The trick is having the ability to accept the fact that the other dude values his argument as much as you do yours.

Good spin is being able to take the other guy's argument away from him, mock it, and thus cause him to see that he might be wrong.

And that you're always right.

Like I am now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Everyone out there thinks it's ok to attack Christians these days.

Posted by: scampbell1975
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these days...

been doing it ever since the Roman Empire dude!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 23, 2010 11:44 PM | Report

Maybe I should have said fashionable. Anyway, mack1, you are a tool. Please explain how being a "God fearing young man" makes you a coward? Especially in this country as of late seeing as how every d-bag such as yourself will attack them at the drop of a dime.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 24, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"You've always got an interesting spin..."


'Spin' is the essence of of good jibba-jabba.

Being able to always see the other side of things is what happens as you age.

The trick is having the ability to accept the fact that the other dude values his argument as much as you do yours.

Good spin is being able to take the other guy's argument away from him, mock it, and thus cause him to see that he might be wrong.

And that you're always right.

Like I am now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 8:00 AM |

I said you have an interseting spin not that I think you're right. Anyway, I'm always up for being mocked.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 24, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

So Mr. Snyder was one of the owners to vote for the rule change on the overtime issue. The only change I thought needed to be addressed was the super bowl overtime/tie scenario. Being old school about allot of things I liked the existing overtime format of sudden death.
I viewed the changes as another way to extend the game and make more money from advertising.
Wondering what brought the need to change to the surface?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

JR,

You might be a nice guy, but man you are horrible sports reporter. It is all about your ego and your feelings about redskins. This regime has a plan and they will work that plan. I am totally confident.

First, there is draft and there will be many more backup lineman availalble after the draft, as they will be cut from their current teams.

You will stop crtisizing the redskins.. yeah right... Even if they win superball, you will be critisizing.

How about tryig to find out how are they running the team now and try to report something from the current workouts. There got to be a lot of stories, but ofcourse that would mean you will have to get off your chair and move a limb...

Posted by: capitolteacher | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, just got caught up on the reading and HAD to comment on something old and completely unrelated.

Capitolteacher, not to criticize or anything, but you can't seriously expect anyone here to believe you teach anything. If you do, maybe stick to teaching superball, whatever that is.

Comment, done.

Posted by: CecIVC | March 24, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"The Captain and Ginger...Sounds like a porn theme"

Suggested titles:

Mary Ann Gives the Professor Brain

MILF Featuring Lovey Howell

One Island, 7 Azzholes

Ginger Bangs a Coconut for Juice

Finally,

Gilligan Digs In Dawn's Well

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

In ALL J Reid's posts, he makes it sound like the free agents the Skins brought in decided to walk away and sign with someone else- in other words, they REJECTED US.

Posted by: Lisa_R |

that only because JReid's a prick..but be careful what you post up here...the blog police will come after you. those mutha frockers are like roaches..real pest

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"...In ALL J Reid's posts, he makes it sound like the free agents the Skins brought in decided to walk away and sign with someone else- in other words, they REJECTED US..."


Well, actually, they did reject us.

Pashos, Clifton, Sims, Foote, and Porter all came calling to a big money team with needs at linebacker and tackle thinking Dan Snyder's wallet would somehow morph into a final big contract for them.

And when it didn't, they took a cookie and left.

Artis Hicks understood that market wasn't as flush as in the past, and besides, just wanted the chance to be a starter.

He accepted the reality they rejected.

The others rejected the fact that Shanallen offered them contracts for what they were worth and not what they wanted.

Be glad J Reid's post repeat this theme of rejection, as the best thing that's been kicked to the curb are the ways of Cerrato.

'Cuz otherwise we would've accepted a bunch of older players who aren't worth what they wanted.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Being old school about allot of things I liked the existing overtime format of sudden death.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 24, 2010 8:19 AM


I'm with you on that...seems to me the only ones who complain about the overtime rules are teams that lose in overtime. There's a coin flip at the start of the game to determine who gets the ball first--and therefore set the tone for the game. I wonder how long it takes to change that too for the whiny team that gives up consecutive TDs in the first two drives and loses by two touchdowns.

This is football. You can't play another timed quarter like they do in other sports because you'd end up with practice squad guys finishing the game due to all the injuries. And games ending in a tie are just lame. Hopefully, this new system doesn't increase ties because that is far and away the thing I hate most in football.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

There's a rumor the Lions are interested in Florida C Maurkice Pouncey. That would be a good choice since he would then be Pouncey de Lion.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 24, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, actually, they did reject us.

Pashos, Clifton, Sims, Foote, and Porter all came calling to a big money team with needs at linebacker and tackle thinking Dan Snyder's wallet would somehow morph into a final big contract for them.

And when it didn't, they took a cookie and left.

Artis Hicks understood that market wasn't as flush as in the past, and besides, just wanted the chance to be a starter.

He accepted the reality they rejected.

The others rejected the fact that Shanallen offered them contracts for what they were worth and not what they wanted.

Be glad J Reid's post repeat this theme of rejection, as the best thing that's been kicked to the curb are the ways of Cerrato.

'Cuz otherwise we would've accepted a bunch of older players who aren't worth what they wanted.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Right on with that spin, Moe.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 24, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, this new system doesn't increase ties because that is far and away the thing I hate most in football.

Posted by: brownwood26

Brown, i think the new rule only applies to the playoffs and super bowl for now..so a tie wont happen..but if it expanded to regular season games...i share your concern

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Wondering what brought the need to change to the surface?


Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Brett Favre blowing another chance at glory with another bad interception in regulation.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 24, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Wondering what brought the need to change to the surface?


Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Brett Favre blowing another chance at glory with another bad interception in regulation.

Posted by: Original_etrod

etrod...you on point with that..no doubt

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, this new system doesn't increase ties because that is far and away the thing I hate most in football.
Posted by: brownwood26

Certainly I would want my team to win, but it seems like a tie always makes for good discussion towards the end of the season when teams are trying to make the playoffs.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 24, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Ah, yeah...good call jcnjcnj. Hopefully this just stays in the postseason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Granted, the Vikings voted against the change. I guess Ziggy is still POd at Brett, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 24, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

ORLANDO, Fla.—Veteran cornerback Philip Buchanon is set to visit the Washington Redskins on Monday, according to a statement he made on his verified Twitter account.

Buchanon is a former Oakland Raiders first-round draft pick selected in 2002 out of the University of Miami.

He has recorded 339 tackles and 18 interceptions.

Buchanon has also played for the Houston Texans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Detroit Lions.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 24, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Certainly I would want my team to win, but it seems like a tie always makes for good discussion towards the end of the season when teams are trying to make the playoffs.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 24, 2010 9:06 AM


No, no, no.

There is NOTHING good about a tie. These guys study film and train and practice for the game, go out on the field, battle for 75 minutes and then have to go home without a result? That's complete horesh*t at the pro level. With so much riding on these games, you'd think there would be something in place to ensure that there is ALWAYS a winner and a loser.

And from a fan perspective, it's a complete waste of time and money to go out to FedEx or wherever to see my team play and come away with essentially the same record they came in with. Just seeing crap like "7-5-1" is just a complete eyesore.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"7-5-1"

Actually brown, right now that sounds pretty good. Means we have a winning record.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Pass on Buchanon...if you think DHall is a lousy tackler, you want no part of this guy.

Anyone else see that the Eagles have admitted "entertaining offers" for their QBs? Who here would want a crack at seeing "McNabb 5" in burgundy and gold?

I think he's a crybaby vag, but part of that is being in Philly where they hate everything and everybody. He's better off playing elsewhere and if we could get him on the cheap, I wouldn't all the way mind picking him up.

Thoughts?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Brett Favre blowing another chance at glory with another bad interception in regulation.

Posted by: Original_etrod

I do believe that this was a contributor as this OT rule applies only to the playoffs. Oddly enough the Vikes ownership were one of a handful that objected to the change.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"7-5-1"

Actually brown, right now that sounds pretty good. Means we have a winning record.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 24, 2010 9:20 AM


So is 7-6 and 8-5. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I should have said fashionable. Anyway, mack1, you are a tool. Please explain how being a "God fearing young man" makes you a coward? Especially in this country as of late seeing as how every d-bag such as yourself will attack them at the drop of a dime.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 24, 2010 8:01 AM

I'm a tool? You're the one who needs me to explain a joke I made two weeks ago. And if you really want to know why some people criticize Christians, the answer is simple: hypocrisy is annoying. See I have nothing against the teachings of Jesus. If everyone followed his example the world would be a better place. Unfortunately the vast majority don't and I find sanctimonious and hypocritical "Christians" to be insufferable. You know, the type of guy who goes to church every Sunday, volunteers during the week, calls himself a Christian and then gets on a blog and spews insults and worse at anyone he disagrees with. Hope that clears things up Scamp.

Posted by: mack1 | March 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

With so much riding on these games, you'd think there would be something in place to ensure that there is ALWAYS a winner and a loser.
Posted by: brownwood26

the Bookies will always win...they never pay on a tie...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I do believe that this was a contributor as this OT rule applies only to the playoffs. Oddly enough the Vikes ownership were one of a handful that objected to the change.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse


***Concpiracy Alert***

Once Ziggy Wilff knew the ruling had the votes to pass he decided to vote against it to keep up appearances.

***End Conspiracy Alert***

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"I think he's (McNabb) a crybaby vag, but part of that is being in Philly where they hate everything and everybody."

If the offer to snag McNabb was from a few years ago, I'd move to get him.

But I wonder if the tipping point in his career has been breached, meaning anybody taking him is getting a guy who might headed towards the downside of his game.

The iggles have surrounded him with some nice pieces--Jackson, Maclin, Ingraham, Avant, Celek--and pass enough to satisfy the aims of their scheme.

They even re-built their o-line to make sure he was protected.

But the three losses to the cowpokes this past season are telling about McNabb: if you can get in his face, he doesn't scramble and make plays with his legs like he used to and the cowboys showed this to the world.

A guy with the tools he's been provided should've gotten at least a playoff win.

Like you, I'll pass on McNabb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

One of the NYT's TV critics noted that the series "Breaking Bad" was beginning a new season on Sunday. Dude, you're a little late to the party. It started two months ago when Prius began reporting user problems.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

A guy with the tools he's been provided should've gotten at least a playoff win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 9:30 AM |

And it would have been nice indeed if one of "the tools he's been provided" was a running game to keep the D honest.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else finding that with out Snyder going nuts all off season long, that they are not blogging as much?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I think McNabb has at least a 2-3 good years left in him (if healthy, of course) so a short term deal along those lines wouldn't be too bad for whoever steps up and takes the guy. I think he'd fit here better than most people realize...he's played with little to no help for years so that's a good start here (provided this offseason is spent building the O-line). The main reason I wouldn't necessarily want to see that happen is because I don't get the sense that he's a good mentor for a young QB and I'm always skeptical of his ability to stay healthy.

Plus I've hated him for so long, I'm not sure I can readily turn that off.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else finding that with out Snyder going nuts all off season long, that they are not blogging as much?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 9:44 AM


Yup. But that's the way it's supposed to be. Nothing to talk about in the offseason, but plenty of good stuff during the season.

I'll take a couple months of boredom if it means a couple more months worth of winning.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

the Bookies will always win...they never pay on a tie...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 9:27 AM |

Actually the way overtime is handled now is a concession to TV. They don't want games dragging on and on, either into prime time scheduling or into the late night. They want a quick conclusion if things are tied up at the end of regulation.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

OMsjk'nG

I just read the rule change after I saw some posts about it here.

wtSJK?!! That's some of the stoopidist SJK I've ever heard.

Just put the kickoffs back to where they're supposed to be. Touchbacks count.

And even w/ the current rules 60% ain't that much better than 50%... if you get a D, you're still prolly going to summer school - - or you SHOULD, anyway.. lol

Let's just cut out scores and go by stats, ok?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 24, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

McNabb for JC17 and a 4th Rounder.

I'll take it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on that...seems to me the only ones who complain about the overtime rules are teams that lose in overtime. There's a coin flip at the start of the game to determine who gets the ball first--and therefore set the tone for the game. I wonder how long it takes to change that too for the whiny team that gives up consecutive TDs in the first two drives and loses by two touchdowns.

This is football. You can't play another timed quarter like they do in other sports because you'd end up with practice squad guys finishing the game due to all the injuries. And games ending in a tie are just lame. Hopefully, this new system doesn't increase ties because that is far and away the thing I hate most in football.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 8:52 AM |

Makes no sense to have the OT rules just in the postseason and not regular season too.

There are games in the last few weeks of the season that are in essence, playoff games.

They should have instilled the new rule for the regular season, but also kept regular season games capped at 75 minutes. The games could still end within a minute or two, but at most, its an extra 15 minutes of play.

And spare me the rhetoric about "increased injuries". On average, each team plays ONE overtime game a year. That's ONE extra quarter for the whole season that players have to survive(at most - and that's only if the game was to go the full 15 minutes). Guys can get just as injured on Wednesday morning practice as they can on Sunday afternoon (Phillip Daniels). Not to mention, the NFL don't give a damn about having guys hurt in the 4-5 preseason games.

And as far as ties - I'm willing to bet that 80-90% of overtime games in the new format will/would be decided in the first 15 minutes. The only way that there would be a tie is if each team gets a FG on the first drive and then there is NO more scoring for the rest of the quarter. How often do you think that would really happen? I'd say at most 10% of the time.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 24, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

ficklefeet

"And it would have been nice indeed if one of "the tools he's been provided" was a running game to keep the D honest.

I think thet lack of a running game has been the biggest fault in Reid's game as head coach.

Andy Reid was an offensive lineman, but as head coach, he'll throw 60 times a game and keep smiling.

I hate to go there, but I could see a guy like L Betts--healthy, mind you--really being a valuable pick up for the iggles as he can catch and runs behind his blocking rather well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else finding that with out Snyder going nuts all off season long, that they are not blogging as much?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 9:44 AM

Yup. But that's the way it's supposed to be. Nothing to talk about in the offseason, but plenty of good stuff during the season.

I'll take a couple months of boredom if it means a couple more months worth of winning.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 9:48 AM |

Doesn't seem to have put a crimp in your bloggarrhea.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Williams = industrial strength bandage ad

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 8:10 PM

I thought that was Jeremy Bridges ... did I get that wrong?

Posted by: dcsween | March 24, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

McNabb for JC17 and a 4th Rounder.

No, no, 1,000 times no....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 24, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't seem to have put a crimp in your bloggarrhea.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse
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This blog isn't about the skins. It's about the fans. And the children. And the children have no offseason.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Mcnabb has been nothing but a class act throughout his whole career. The Philly fans suck in general; they booed him when he was drafted, loved him the year he took them to ht SB, and wanted him gone when they lost it. The fans up here are BRUTAL when they lose, and Mcnabb has taken everything they give and come back smiling and positive every year.

But….I don’t think I would want him as our QB. He’s got most of the good qualities you need like being able to audible, move in the pocket, read defenses etc, but keep in mind he has been in one offense his whole career, and pretty much every time he has gotten injured, the backups come in and do just as good a job as him, with the one exception of that Mike Mcmahon guy. I think his problem is much like Jason Campbell’s and that accuracy stats aside, they guy just plain misses on a lot of throws that are wide open. He probably throws a better deep ball than Campbell as would be evidenced by all of the long td’s they had last year, but I lost track of the number of balls he throws into the dirt, or that his receivers need to break stride to adjust to (like JC17). Not to mention he can’t seem to win the big games, and that little dance/air guitar number he pulled before the Dallas game last year (and then got humiliated) is enough for me to say “no thanks”……just me though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 24, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Tebow, the evangelist. Jason Campbell, the super nice. Mark Brunell, the super smart.

That's not why I watch the game.

Tebow, Campbell, or Brunell consistently pulling out close games ending with more points for the Skins than for the other team.

THAT's why I watch the game.

Just win baby!

Posted by: dcsween | March 24, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Good article following up the much-hyped draft class of 2004, six years later...

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/2004-draft-six-years-later

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

the Bookies will always win...they never pay on a tie...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 9:27 AM

Bookies win regardless. A tie doesn't affect the SPREAD or the fact that if a bet ends in a push, the degenerate pays what is known as the juice. Typically 20%..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 24, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't seem to have put a crimp in your bloggarrhea.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 9:57 AM


Good one, FF. FOR ME TO POOP ON!

God, I miss Triumph the Insult Comic Dog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

This blog isn't about the skins. It's about the fans. And the children. And the children have no offseason.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 10:01 AM

I want my [SJK]ing Avena® bottle* of NFL! Waaaaa!

*No latex nipples please

Posted by: dcsween | March 24, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't take McNabb for 1 simple reason. He's only got 2-3 years left in him and we're probably not going to be good for another 2-3 years. It just doesn't make any sense. You want a guy that grew along with the team and is in the prime of his career when the team is starting to be good. You don't want to be a great team that is being held back by a QB on his last legs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 24, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

McNabb isn't going to get traded. I think some teams would have made a play for him but it sounds like the Eagles are insisting on a 1st rounder. So teams like Seattle went for Charlie Whitehurst and Cleveland went with Delhomme. He probably has a few years left but isnt worth more than a 2nd if that.

How many games actually end in ties? It usually only happens with terrible teams. Only 2 I can remember right now were the Frerotte head butting game and Philly-Clev when McNabb claimed to not know the rules.

And bookies pay out on ties unless the game is a pick 'em. Spread is going to make someone a winner and loser.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

beep, beep y'all. Nothing left to see here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I think McNabb would be perfect. You're kidding yourself if you see Philly letting him come here, tho.

However, since we have Grossman, I don't think we're going after another vet.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 24, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

God, I miss Triumph the Insult Comic Dog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2010 10:05 AM |

You and not so many others Conando Girl. Your hero is toast.

Posted by: FickleFeet | March 24, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

bloggarrhea.

Posted by: FickleFeet

thats a good...very funny sh!t

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 24, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Why did they even change the defensive scheme? The old one was successful and, once again (like the WC offense), they switched to a system that doesn't compliment the personnel.

Posted by: dclifer97 | March 24, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm a tool? You're the one who needs me to explain a joke I made two weeks ago. And if you really want to know why some people criticize Christians, the answer is simple: hypocrisy is annoying. See I have nothing against the teachings of Jesus. If everyone followed his example the world would be a better place. Unfortunately the vast majority don't and I find sanctimonious and hypocritical "Christians" to be insufferable. You know, the type of guy who goes to church every Sunday, volunteers during the week, calls himself a Christian and then gets on a blog and spews insults and worse at anyone he disagrees with. Hope that clears things up Scamp.

Posted by: mack1 | March 24, 2010 9:27 AM

That's a completely different thing than saying Tebow's a coward but he's a God fearing young man. I missed the joke 2 weeks ago so maybe I missed something there. The hypocrisy is only true if said person going to church, doing volunteer work, and insulting you on a blog claims to be perfect. It's one thing to attempt to follow the teachings of Christ and realize that you are a human and will fail many, many times and quite another for trying to point out that others are going to hell for not being perfect. Those type of people will atone for their self righteousness in their own time. You don't beat people over the heads with your own beliefs to try and make yourself look better than others. That's not the point of Christianity. The point is to try and help when you can, be kind and just when you can, and recognize that you are as flawed as any man and equal to the crackhead in the abandoned building or the prostitute turning tricks for rent.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 24, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Going forward these are good moves. I'm assuming some form of salary cap is going to return in the next couple of years, and righting the ship after the Cerrato regime is best way to use this uncapped year.

Hopefully that pragmatism extends to spending most of our draft picks on offensive linemen.

If Okung is there at four I'll be very happy but I think the Lions will take him at two. I am not totally sold on the other tackles. Bulaga has got short arms. That's maybe an over-rated stat but it was the only knock against Robert Gallery, who was otherwise meant to be a frachise left tackle. I've seen conflicting reports on Trent Williams. Some saying he struggles with the run but excels in pass pro and others saying the reverse.

If the Lions do take Okung, I hope we have at least done due diligence on Suh, McCoy and Berry, as well as the entire tackle class. I'd hate to miss out on a great player, whilst reaching to fill a need. It's a big need, but reaches almost always come back to bite a frachise in the arse.

I am not totally against picking a QB in the first round but if we do they better redshirt him for a year. Our o-line is enough to destroy any young qb's career.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 24, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Great moves, now Okung, please!

Posted by: Company | March 24, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

LOL... the skins will draft no OL this year... ahahahaha

Posted by: rockettonu | March 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

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