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Alexander, Golston going back to school

Redskins defensive linemen Lorenzo Alexander and Kedric Golston are among 77 players scheduled to participate in the NFL's business management and entrepreneurial programs at the Harvard Business School and the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.

The programs are part of the ongoing joint efforts of the league and players' union to help players prepare for their post-playing careers. The five-day session at Harvard, which begins Feb. 15, focuses on business operations. Beginning Feb. 16, Alexander and Golston will focus on real estate during four days at Wharton.

Players complete an application process to take part in the program. Since the program began in 2005, more than 500 players have participated.

By Jason Reid  |  February 11, 2010; 3:45 PM ET
 
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I like the sound of this program. Good for the NFL.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I own this sh_t !!!

Posted by: OG_Barno | February 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Thats Dr. Kedric Golston to you, i didn't go to Harvard for a year to be called Mr. thank you very much.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

To RedDMV:

Brees is probably the only one who played in a spread shotgun system in college, although Tom Brady won the MVP operating out of the spread shotgun for the Pats two years ago.

I don't think it makes much sense to judge a college QB just based on the system though. If your scouts think he has the size, arm, accuracy and demeanor to be an NFL QB, I don't care what system he ran in college. Plus, you can look at what Landry Jones did for OU in Bradford's place this year and see how much better they were with Bradford running the offense.

I also think that the spread was first adopted at less-established schools (like Houston, Purdue, Texas Tech, Kentucky) b/c they were looking for any advantage they could get. It was only in the last 3-5 years that more of the big boys like Florida and Texas and Michigan started running it. If USC had started running the spread too, would Sanchez have been a worst prospect in last year's draft?

Posted by: brianc2540 | February 11, 2010 3:43 PM
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See, I don't think a background in a spread offense is a deal breaker, but it does muddy the waters when a scout is evaluating the player. Some of these quarterbacks put up some sick stats in college and it is difficult to compare them to quarterbacks coming from more traditional offenses. Years ago, I can remember all of the QB's coming out of Houston who were leading the nation in passing but didn't pan out in the NFL. Like I say, the system kind of muddies the waters and makes it hard to see the real athlete beneath the statistics.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Golston's got a good future, but the thing about Lorenzo is that he's the complete businessman, he's got all the tools.

You need some accounting done? 'zo will take care of it. A little market analysis? He's all over it. Need help closing a big sale? Let him handle it.

Versatility, baby.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

U Penn. nothin' but a bunch of future middle management legacy frat boys.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

With a focus on real estate? I would think the curriculum would be more focused on contract negotiations or labor law given the pending 2011 lockout...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Great economy to focus on real-estate.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 11, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Econ 101 Test

Q: If I get locked out, how much do I get paid?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah,
I hear you Nate, I grant you Zo's got the natural abilities, but I think Gol may surprise you. He'll bring his lunch pail with him and be in the library studying until they close the place down. So come boardroom, it'll be lights out!

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | February 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

With the economy sucking buttcheeks, it seems like a lot of people are going back to school to gain an edge in whatever they can.

With what I do, it cool to have the latest certs or whatever, but these private companies wanna see more.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 11, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben came from a spread attack, still kind of plays in one at least this year they did. Aaron Rodgers came from the same spread Jeff Tedford system that was supposedly Ryan Leaf's downfall. Flacco. Orton. Vince Young. Cutler.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse


Roethlisberger - yes.

From what I'm reading about Rodgers, he played in a mixed system at Cal.

I don't count Flacco as a franchise QB. He needs to show me he can do more than hand the ball off and not throw INTs.

Orton is definitely not a franchise QB.

Vince Young is a bit of a mixed bag. He showed some promise and strides forward in his passing this season, but it's been a rough transition for him to the NFL. His early success was due in large part to his scrambling ability.

Jay Cutler is a mixed bag too. He had that one nice season in Denver, but the numbers were skewed by the absence of a consistent running game and playing without a defense. He's definitely not looking like any kind of franchise QB in Chicago.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

How bout Toyota dealership owners? Maybe a little more competitive than Real Estate.

Oh wait...

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I own this sh_t !!!

Posted by: OG_Barno | February 11, 2010 3:55 PM
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You're bragging about owning sh_t? Who are you, Fred Sanford?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

He didn't ask for "franchise qb's" he asked for successful nfl qb's from that style of offense. That list is all Pro Bowl QB's except Orton who has a fantastic record a starter.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

oops, and Flacco, who has a winning record and two playoff appearances as a starter his 1st two seasons.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Re: Antonio Pierce, it occurs to me that he can now fulfill his destiny as part of a three-man radio team with Brian Mitchell and LaVar Arrington. They can angrily, wildly, and sometimes coherently bash the Redskins. Middays on whatever the hell station carries this kind of crap in DC nowadays. What a hoot it will be. I just hope they stream it live on the internet so I, too, can choose not to listen.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, love the lunch bucket thing up there. Right on.

We oughta get together and have a beer one of these nights, y'know?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Harvard? Wharton? Their brains are gonna hurt more than their bodies the day after a game.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 11, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

He didn't ask for "franchise qb's" he asked for successful nfl qb's from that style of offense. That list is all Pro Bowl QB's except Orton who has a fantastic record a starter.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


I asked for franchise QBs in my initial question...

At #4 overall we are talking about a franchise quality QB.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should have dinner with Richard Seymour's and Vince Wilfork's agents. Those would be some nice free agent pickups. Seymour, Wilfork, and Haynesworth would make a nice 3-4 defensive line. Might as well grab Adaleus Thomas too when the Pats cut him.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

See, I don't think a background in a spread offense is a deal breaker, but it does muddy the waters when a scout is evaluating the player. Some of these quarterbacks put up some sick stats in college and it is difficult to compare them to quarterbacks coming from more traditional offenses. Years ago, I can remember all of the QB's coming out of Houston who were leading the nation in passing but didn't pan out in the NFL. Like I say, the system kind of muddies the waters and makes it hard to see the real athlete beneath the statistics.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse
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My take on Bradford, for what it's worth: I'm not enough of an expert on a QB's mechanics to make any judgment on that. The spread offense doesn't worry me to the point where it's a deal breaker by itself, but there are other factors that would cause me to pass on him at #4 if I were the GM. First, he's really only played two seasons plus 1 game (his post-injury comeback game this season was basically a throw-away game). I've seen statistics out there that provide a pretty strong correlation between the number of college games started and collegiate completion percentage and future NFL success. Him playing only 2 years in a spread offense against grossly inferior competition in the Big 12 doesn't exactly "wow" me - they play pathetically easy out-of-conference games in the Big 12, and only a couple of their conference games a year are worth a poop. I think that his high completion percentage is deceptive and a product of the system to some extent (Vince Young had a really high completion % in college and look how he turned out; great athlete and improving, but hardly overly accurate). And in Bradford's games of his that I saw, I wasn't completely impressed with his decision making when challenged. Now throw in a serious shoulder injury and it does't exact add up.

All of this is to say that, unless the scouts see something that we can't (which is highly likely given that I'm just a fan), or he puts on a show at the combine or pro day, I don't think he's worth a #4 overall pick.

Clausen makes me wonder more, as he played in a pro-style offense run by a pro coach and started a full three years. I've heard his arm is only so-so, though, and that he has attitude issues. Plus, he couldn't win any big games. I haven't watched him enough to really form an opinion.

Anyone else have thoughts?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 11, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

At #4 overall we are talking about a franchise quality QB.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

That's a pretty short list:

Manning
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Big Ben
McNabb
Favre
Rivers

borderline:
Romo
Warner
Eli
Schaub

The rest of the league is playing with QBs that aren't "franchise" guys and plenty were taken in the top 5. There's plenty of good QBs that have come from the spread and plenty who haven't, there's plenty of bad QBs who have come from a pro style offense (hint: we have one now). I'm not pretending to know whether Bradford will or won't be but I don't think you can just assume he won't be good just because he played in a spread offense. If his mechanics are sound, he can read defenses, he's accurate, he has a good arm, and he gets rid of the ball quickly it seems to me that's all a lot harder to learn than a 3, 5, or 7 step drop. I think the questions about Bradford have a lot more to do with his shoulder/durability issues than whether he can play in a pro style offense or not. I'll trust Shanny and we'll see in about two months.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Clausen makes me wonder more, as he played in a pro-style offense run by a pro coach and started a full three years. I've heard his arm is only so-so, though, and that he has attitude issues. Plus, he couldn't win any big games. I haven't watched him enough to really form an opinion.

Anyone else have thoughts?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 11, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse


Clausen makes me wonder less. He was groomed for 3 years in a pro-style offense by an NFL O-coordinator.

He struggled at first, but by his junior season, he was incredibly productive - I count that as a plus b/c it tells me that his success and production were not the result of a gimmicky scheme, but the result of him mastering and learning the nuances of the pro-style system that Weis had him in.

Clausen didn't necessarily win "big" games, but there were alot of underacheivers in that ND program that he played with. I don't think the Oline he had was as dominant as the one Bradford played behind.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

zj

I think you can take Warner off that list -- he didn't belong in the borderline category anyway

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Saw something today about Skins going after T. Pashos for OL in FA and drafting the kid from Rutgers at #4 by McShay.

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 11, 2010 3:12 PM |

Davis should be no higher than the third O.L. off the board. He's going to be a R.T. in the NFL...a player needs lateral quickness to be a left tackle.

But hey, it's McShay, so nuff said (Clausen doesn't go in the first round???):

1. STL Gerald McCoy
2. DET Ndamukong Suh
3. TB Jason Pierre-Paul
4. WAS Anthony Davis
5. KC Russ Okung
6. SEA Bryan Bulaga
7. CLE Eric Berry
8. OAK Trent Williams
9. BUF Sam Bradford
10. JAX Derrick Morgan
11. DEN Dez Bryant
12. MIA Rolando McClain
13. SF Joe Haden
14. SEA C.J. Spiller
15. NYG Brian Price
16. SF Mike Iupati
17. TEN Carlos Dunlap
18. PIT Dan Williams
19. ATL Kareem Jackson
20. HOU Earl Thomas
21. CIN Jermaine Gresham
22. NE Brandon Graham
23. GB Bruce Campbell
24. PHI Taylor Mays
25. BAL Kyle Wilson
26. ARZ Sergio Kindle
27. DAL Nate Allen
28. SD Jahvid Best
29. NYJ Arrelious Benn
30. MIN Jared Odrick
31. IND Maurkice Pouncey
32. NO Sean Weatherspoon
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse


Clausen makes me wonder less. He was groomed for 3 years in a pro-style offense by an NFL O-coordinator.

He struggled at first, but by his junior season, he was incredibly productive - I count that as a plus b/c it tells me that his success and production were not the result of a gimmicky scheme, but the result of him mastering and learning the nuances of the pro-style system that Weis had him in.

Clausen didn't necessarily win "big" games, but there were alot of underacheivers in that ND program that he played with. I don't think the Oline he had was as dominant as the one Bradford played behind.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse
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Yeah, I used a poor choice of words - I meant that I'm more confident in Clausen than Bradford. I agree with your O-line observation - certainly OK's was better.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 11, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse


I'd say Eli and Warner are franchise guys, even moreso than Rodgers, but that's beside the point.

#4 is a big investment pick. When I think of a college QB at that slot, I ask "what made this guy successful"?

The college spread offense is notorious for boosting numbers and production. I look at the NCAA passing records and I see them populated with names like Timmy Chang, Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan, and yes - Sam Bradford. All spread shotgun guys. So it's natural to be skeptical about Bradford's success especially considering that the popular sentiment is that Oklahoma had a dominant Oline and the Big 12 competition was thin.

At #4 I feel better about a guy like Clausen who struggled to learn a legit pro-style offense but became incredibly productive and successful in it, even as he played with inferior/underacheiving guys.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should have dinner with Richard Seymour's and Vince Wilfork's agents. Those would be some nice free agent pickups. Seymour, Wilfork, and Haynesworth would make a nice 3-4 defensive line. Might as well grab Adaleus Thomas too when the Pats cut him.

Posted by: coparker5


Are you VC in disuise? Serously dude we want to go younger.... good grief man.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 11, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Clausen didn't necessarily win "big" games, but there were alot of underacheivers in that ND program that he played with. I don't think the Oline he had was as dominant as the one Bradford played behind.


Come on...Are Golden Tate, Michael Floyd and Kyle Rudolph underachievers? Clausen has been propped up by great play from his skill players. I understand that his line wasnt the best but Navy and Uconn arent exactly world beaters. If cant beat Michigan what makes you think he would be able to put it together to beat the Giants or Cowboys when he doesnt have the best talent on the field.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should have dinner with Richard Seymour's and Vince Wilfork's agents. Those would be some nice free agent pickups. Seymour, Wilfork, and Haynesworth would make a nice 3-4 defensive line. Might as well grab Adaleus Thomas too when the Pats cut him.

Posted by: coparker5
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Belichick would love this scenario.. His 3 dump offs to the Skins.. It would make the Shawn Springs Pats mistake a little more digestible.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Big question marks for both qbs. Simply put, this is not a strong draft for that position. If that's the case, don't reach for a player at number 4 overall, but take the best player available, which should be either an elite DT or OT which will anchor either line for 10 years to come. Obviously we need OT more than DT, but if Okung is off the board and Suh or McCoy are there, might be tempting. Obviously the best case scenerio is to trade back to the teens and pick an OT there with a couple more picks in the process, but we all know how hard that's going to be.

On another note, just watched the Bruce Allen interview on Redskins Nation. At first I was a little dissapointed that he wasn't exactly throwing out good information on their drafting and free agency philosophy, but on the other hand, you get the feeling that we might actually have the people in place for once who can hold their cards close to their vest and get some good things going this offseason. Anything's better that Vinny/Snyder though...

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

This "back to school" program sounds good as it's written here, but what Reid isn't telling us - and the NFL doesn't want us to know - is that they ONLY accept back-up Defensive Tackles.
Somebody needs to get to the bottom of this. Is this somehow about finding the anti-Gene Upshaw? Very suspicious...

Posted by: Goldenfried | February 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

And if Wilfork is an UFA, he might make sense. He's still on the right side of 30 and would be a great NT to run the 3-4 around. No thanks to Seymour, as he's getting old and we have the pieces in place for DE to be covered in a 3-4. Still worried about LB's in that system though. Orakpo and Wilson will probably make the transition, but AC and Jarmon may not and Rocky and Fletch just don't seem like good ILB prospects in that system. Maybe we can grab Dansby, although he's going to want a huge contract...

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Big question marks for both qbs. Simply put, this is not a strong draft for that position. If that's the case, don't reach for a player at number 4 overall, but take the best player available, which should be either an elite DT or OT which will anchor either line for 10 years to come. Obviously we need OT more than DT, but if Okung is off the board and Suh or McCoy are there, might be tempting. Obviously the best case scenerio is to trade back to the teens and pick an OT there with a couple more picks in the process, but we all know how hard that's going to be.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 5:49 PM
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The Best Player Available philosophy is what Vinny followed and we've had a perennial top 5 Defense to go with what has nearly been the league's worst Offense for the last 4 years (3rd worst scoring of the decade). Usually that would mean 8-8 seasons.. but, this year the Defenses' performance deteriorated greatly the last 8 games...
I'd rather follow what the Gints and Pats do.. The Best Player available for the team's number one need(s). So, I would hope a five pick order would be OL, QB, OL, RB.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of trading back, but not that many teams want to trade up since a very high pick means lots of $$$ risk.

The rookie salary cap is needed because getting the very high draft picks is such a huge risk.

Also, I think the players are going to hate the idea of free agency waiting until year 6. Especially running backs. Larry Brown and Terrell Davis are examples of guys who had brilliant careers and were over the hill by year 6. LaDanian Tomlinson scored 63 TDs in his years 4-6, and just 38 in his years 7-9.

Rookie salary cap and earlier free agency is the better combination.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

thats..
OL, QB, OL, RB. OL

And I would bet Kyle is pushing a trade for Rosenfels if Favre stays.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"With the economy sucking buttcheeks, it seems like a lot of people are going back to school to gain an edge in whatever they can..."


How do you gain an edge at 'sucking butt cheeks' by going back to college?

My friend The Tossed Salad Man went back to prison to improve himself, and hasn't even though sucking butt cheeks is the one thing he learned to excel at.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

OL, OL, OL, OL, OL.

As silly as it looks, consider the Skins spent every pick last year except 1 (a 7th round pick) on defense. Plus got Jarmon in the supplemental draft.

On offense, the team has selected 4 TEs in recent years, spent 3 picks on WRs in the past 2 years (incl 2 second round picks). Even QB has had several picks. Brennan, Palmer and Daniel (though I think he was a free agent) in addition to Campbell.

The only positions the Skins have truly ignored are OL and RB.

And lets face, an RB without an OL is basically putting the cart before the horse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Best Player Available philosophy is what Vinny followed and we've had a perennial top 5 Defense to go with what has nearly been the league's worst Offense for the last 4 years (3rd worst scoring of the decade). Usually that would mean 8-8 seasons.. but, this year the Defenses' performance deteriorated greatly the last 8 games...
I'd rather follow what the Gints and Pats do.. The Best Player available for the team's number one need(s). So, I would hope a five pick order would be OL, QB, OL, RB.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree that best player available also needs to make sense with what you are looking to do in the next three years or so. Seems like Vinnie and Co. just took who they thought was the best person period, and that certainly didn't always work out especially since they never had a 3-5 year plan period. Still, my point is that although we need a QB, this isn't the draft to pay someone the money involved in the #4 overall pick with no concensus franchise QB on the board. With that much money involved you need someone that will be a franchise player you build around for the next 10 years and Okung, Suh or McCoy fit that mold by most accounts. I'd even be ok with reaching a bit for Joe Haden as I'm a Gator fan and can tell you that he looks to be the shut-down QB of this draft. Nobody threw his way while he was at UF and we could certainly use some serious help at CB. My personal preference obviously would be Okung though, as he fits the criteria of best player available while strenghtening a position of crying need.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant shut-down CB of this draft.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

And lets face, an RB without an OL is basically putting the cart before the horse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2010 6:18 PM
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Or, the 2009 version of the 4-12 Redskins.

As much as I dont care for Portis.. He never saw many holes when he got to the line this year..

Most intriguing RB in 2009 was the quickness and versatility of Ganther.
If he returns with the SKins, he could be a sleeper surprise, again, (if that is possible) in a Shanahan zone block OLine. Could Shanny make a Terrell Davis out of him?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"I'd even be ok with reaching a bit for Joe Haden as I'm a Gator fan and can tell you that he looks to be the shut-down QB of this draft."

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 6:23 PM
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true on your other points..DCinSD ..And I hope you choke on your SD weather...

Also, thanks for the "shut down QB" laugh..
As you know, we already have a "shut down QB",
Jason Campbell.

He goes into a "Prevent Offense" near the last 7 minutes of the game.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

" So it's natural to be skeptical about Bradford's success especially considering that the popular sentiment is that Oklahoma had a dominant Oline and the Big 12 competition was thin."

The first year, maybe. But not last year. Oklahoma had a young, untested o-line that everyone expected to be troublesome, and it was. Ask Landry Jones, who had to replace Bradford when he got hurt. It's why Bradford probably should have come out a year earlier.

"At #4 I feel better about a guy like Clausen who struggled to learn a legit pro-style offense but became incredibly productive and successful in it, even as he played with inferior/underacheiving guys.Posted by: p1funk"

I don't know if there are many better QB coaches than Charlie Weis, and I think you're right about Clausen's productivity on a team with a struggling defense. Still, even somebody as well-coached as Clausen could struggle if some team drops him on the field too early. The Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco stories make people forget exactly how much young QBs usually struggle. None of them were on particularly weak teams and yet all had to be heavily protected by the offensive scheme.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Red he is a QB/ athlete is what they had him listed at. He ran and threw for the new coaches and came in a quick 4.32 in the 40 with digital timing, benched 325 22 times, kid is only 6'1 200 lbs. He is pretty excited.

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 11, 2010 3:06 PM

Congrats to your nephew. I'm pretty sure you meant 225 22x not 325. Still great measurables.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"Clausen makes me wonder more, as he played in a pro-style offense run by a pro coach and started a full three years. I've heard his arm is only so-so, though, and that he has attitude issues. Plus, he couldn't win any big games...Posted by: skinsfan713"

Well, Clausen's stock took a hit with the media because Notre Dame lost its last four games. Here's how he performed in those games:

Against Navy: 72.5% (37-51) for 452 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, rating 156.02

Against Pitt: 64.3% (27 of 42) for 283 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, rating 123.98

Against UConn: 66.7% (30-45) for 329 yds, 2TDs, 0 INTs, rating 142.75

Against Stanford: 76.7% (23-30) for 340 yds, 5TDs, 0 INTs, rating 226.86

Since he tossed only 2 interceptions over the course of 158 throws, he probably wasn't the reason ND lost.

Claussen's season rating was 161.43.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

If you're looking for a statistical comparison for Claussen, it's Mark Sanchez at USC in 2008. They're almost twins in yards per throw and completion percentage. Claussen threw 60 more passes during the season, but threw only 4 INTs to Sanchez' 10. Sanchez threw 34 TD passes to Claussen's 27. Of course, USC finished 12-1 and ranked number two in the nation.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Come on...Are Golden Tate, Michael Floyd and Kyle Rudolph underachievers? Clausen has been propped up by great play from his skill players. I understand that his line wasnt the best but Navy and Uconn arent exactly world beaters. If cant beat Michigan what makes you think he would be able to put it together to beat the Giants or Cowboys when he doesnt have the best talent on the field.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse


Well, that's one opinion, though not a very popular one.

Apart from Golden Tate I'm not hearing anyone talk about the other guys being first round picks. Even Golden Tate is going in 2nd/3rd round in some mocks.

Clausen had some pretty eye-popping numbers this past season, even with bonafide skill guys helping you out...

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The King Speaks:

"If (Clausen)can't beat Michigan, what makes you think he would be able to put it together to beat the Giants or Cowboys when he doesn't have the best talent on the field?"


This makes sense, except there are tons 'o dudes who come from losing college programs that get to the NFL, and excel.

The college team might be a loser, but the guy you select doesn't have to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Going from the spread to a pro style offense

Generally, pro style offenses are complex, balanced, and require quarterbacks with good decision-making abilities, with offensive lines that are adept at both run and pass blocking, and running backs who are capable of running between the tackles. Since the majority of snaps are taken under center it can take several years (if at all) to master the ability take a 3, 5, or 7 step drop while reading the D and going thru the proper progressions, if a QB is not familiar with running that style.

The spread offense is a formation where the players spread out. Its polar opposite to the pro style, where everyone is close to the ball. The spread usually features two wide receivers on the right side, two wide receivers on the left side, and one back in the backfield with the quarterback. Everything from footwork to having to read a D is different than the pro style. It becomes a crutch for the QB and those players struggle with footwork , play faking, reading a D, to name a few when adjusting to a pro style offense.

This is no easy task for someone making the tremendous jump from college to pro football and so yes, it’s a very big deal.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 7:57 PM

I'm for Clausen if we are going the QB route in the 1st.

Michael Floyd is considered a top 5 pick in 2011.

From WalterFootball

"Jimmy Clausen is unquestionably the top quarterback prospect in this draft. He threw for 28 touchdowns and only four picks on an 8.8 YPA and a 68.0 completion percentage this year. He's superior to Sam Bradford because he has a bigger arm and has spent three years in a West Coast offense. Bradford, on the other hand, is coming out of a shotgun spread offense and just had shoulder surgery. His arm strength is also very questionable."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

true on your other points..DCinSD ..And I hope you choke on your SD weather...

Also, thanks for the "shut down QB" laugh..
As you know, we already have a "shut down QB",
Jason Campbell.

He goes into a "Prevent Offense" near the last 7 minutes of the game.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse
Yeah, it's pretty rough weather around here. I think it was about 60 degrees today. I love my chocolate city, but I gotta say I'm glad I'm on the WC right now.

As for the whole spread vs. pro-style offenses, couldn't you make the argument that a bunch of NFL teams are doing that these days? Seems like that's the majority of what the Colts and Saints do and they played in the SB this year. I get that it's a transition to go from shotgun to under center and the footwork changes, but I would think that should be less important that things like accuracy and ability to read a defense. Unfortunately, those are the two things Campbell doesn't have, so you kinda go back to square one.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

p1

Both Rudolph and Floyd are sophomores. The point of the matter is that Clausen is overrated. Brady Quinn had similar statistics and has not panned out in the NFL as of yet. When you have four and five star talent around you are bound to put up numbers against mediocre teams. I dont think he is garbage, but he is defintely not worth a top 5 or top 10 pick. The skins would be better off waiting to at least the second round to address their qb concerns.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

true on your other points..DCinSD ..And I hope you choke on your SD weather...

Also, thanks for the "shut down QB" laugh..
As you know, we already have a "shut down QB",
Jason Campbell.

He goes into a "Prevent Offense" near the last 7 minutes of the game.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 11, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

That's funny stuff.

To DC in SD. I used to live in SD and am looking to move back West. This time San Clemente. Can not wait.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Both Rudolph and Floyd are sophomores. The point of the matter is that Clausen is overrated. Brady Quinn had similar statistics and has not panned out in the NFL as of yet. When you have four and five star talent around you are bound to put up numbers against mediocre teams. I dont think he is garbage, but he is defintely not worth a top 5 or top 10 pick. The skins would be better off waiting to at least the second round to address their qb concerns.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 8:23 PM |

Of course Quinn is playing for the Browns. I suspect that has a little to do with it. I do agree with your thoughts on when to take a QB though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Since he tossed only 2 interceptions over the course of 158 throws, he probably wasn't the reason ND lost.

Claussen's season rating was 161.43.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:45 PM

I like Clausen, and I think ultimately he will be a good NFL QB. However, in the last four games Clausen had a fumble in each game, so that might throw up a red flag or two for an NFL team; and let's face it, Navy, UConn, and Stanford weren't stellar defenses. That being said, I think Clausen would be the safer QB selection early in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | February 11, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

To DC in SD. I used to live in SD and am looking to move back West. This time San Clemente. Can not wait.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Weather's a huge plus this time of year...
There are still a lot of things I miss about DC even after close to two years, but it's hard to argue with the weather out here.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

p1

Both Rudolph and Floyd are sophomores. The point of the matter is that Clausen is overrated. Brady Quinn had similar statistics and has not panned out in the NFL as of yet. When you have four and five star talent around you are bound to put up numbers against mediocre teams. I dont think he is garbage, but he is defintely not worth a top 5 or top 10 pick. The skins would be better off waiting to at least the second round to address their qb concerns.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse


Well, that would explain why they're not being talked about in the draft! And shows you how much of a draft junkie I am.

Understand that my overall point is that I prefer Clausen to Bradford. If the Skins are definitely taking a QB at #4, I take Clausen, but I prefer neither at the #4 slot. I'd much prefer one of the top Olinemen so I think we are pretty much in agreement there.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Weather's a huge plus this time of year...
There are still a lot of things I miss about DC even after close to two years, but it's hard to argue with the weather out here.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 11, 2010 8:32 PM

It's really just beautiful all around in that area. Ohio is just gloomy and this area is so poor and jobless.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Of course Quinn is playing for the Browns. I suspect that has a little to do with it. I do agree with your thoughts on when to take a QB though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse


The one thing I'll say about Quinn is that he had one year with Charlie Weis.

That's not exactly the same thing as being "groomed" by the guy the way that Clausen was - coming in as a freshman and going through the school of hard knocks to learn a pro-style offense.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Ohio is just gloomy and this area is so poor and jobless.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:38 PM

When you leave it will make two families happy. Yours and that of the poor, jobless slug who will step into your high-paying job. Way to go! Best welfare plan ever.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse


The King Speaks:

"If (Clausen)can't beat Michigan, what makes you think he would be able to put it together to beat the Giants or Cowboys when he doesn't have the best talent on the field?"


This makes sense, except there are tons 'o dudes who come from losing college programs that get to the NFL, and excel.

The college team might be a loser, but the guy you select doesn't have to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse


It makes sense, except not really.

At Michigan, Clausen had a 150.29 rating, completed 60% of his passes for 336 yards, 3 TDs and no INTs.

The Irish lost 38-34.

I don't think you lay that defeat at Clausen's feet.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

nice Zo and Sir. Kedric!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Ohio is just gloomy and this area is so poor and jobless.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:38 PM

When you leave it will make two families happy. Yours and that of the poor, jobless slug who will step into your high-paying job. Way to go! Best welfare plan ever.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 8:41 PM |

Well, I work for myself so... I do hold a volunteer part time job for my church that would pay if it wasn't mine so maybe that will help a little.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

moe

"This makes sense, except there are tons 'o dudes who come from losing college programs that get to the NFL, and excel...The college team might be a loser, but the guy you select doesn't have to be."


p1funk

"...(Clausen) completed 60% of his passes for 336 yards, 3 TDs and no INTs...The Irish lost 38-34 (to the Wolverines--a bad team). I don't think you lay that defeat at Clausen's feet."


I think we're saying the same thing: ND may have sucked, but Clausen might not be the cause of it.

That's the issue teams like the rams and skins must figure out: is Clausen a winner?

And if college programs and records are so important, both Jason Campbell (13-0, senior year at Auburn) and Tim Tebow (all world at UF), would be considered all that, wouldn't they?

And they are not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Shanahan spend this past season studying the spread offense? He'll probably want to draft a Qb that's spent some time running the spread. A guy that makes good decisions and accurate throws - whoever that is.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The King Speaks:

"The skins would be better off waiting to at least the second round to address their qb concerns."


I gotta agree with this.

I want:

Okung-Iupati-LeFevour-Tate-Shipley in whatever order they come.

And I think there will be some nice undrafted free safety/linebacker/lineman types to snag, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, I work for myself so... I do hold a volunteer part time job for my church that would pay if it wasn't mine so maybe that will help a little.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 8:51 PM

Hey, just as well. You won't be out there competing against all those second-best guys in your occupation. There will be more work for them. Their wives will love them more and their children will look up to them.

Volunteer work in churches doesn't pay, but it does pray.

Of course, now you'll displace some poor slugs in San Clemente, so Ohio's gain is San Clemente's loss, although that doesn't sound right, does it? Please don't curse me out, Mr. Campbell.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

actually, my vote for the 4th pick is the big tackle from Rutgers

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 9:12 PM

I love those choices. I would be completely happy with that draft. I really love LeFevour's mobility and Tate's overall game

Posted by: TWISI | February 11, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"Of course Quinn is playing for the Browns."


Brady Quinn was a media creation.

Matt Leinhart was a media creation.

Alex Smith was a WAC creation.

Vince Young was a Big 12 creation.

And at the same time, it's too early to label these guys 'busts'.

Leinhart will get his day in the sun this Fall.

Holmgren's a patient type, and will advise Mangini to think likewise about Quinn.

Young and Smith are proof that sometimes these kids need time to find their game.

But given the patience spent on Jason Campbell, you wonder if the skins have any left for another high round rookie q-back.

Does anyone want to wait to see if they have the next M Ryan in Clausen/Bradford?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I went to Rutgers and saw about six RU games this year. Davis is a right tackle in the pros or a guard. I saw him give up 5-6 sacks, against quick DEs. Look, Rutgers Ray Rice was a steal in the second round, and Kenny Britt may become an All-Pro, but I would NEVER use a #4 overall on a guy with Davis's skills.

Posted by: TheCork | February 11, 2010 3:55 PM

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actually, my vote for the 4th pick is the big tackle from Rutgers

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 9:16 PM

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Cop Arker,

I respectfully disagree. I'm going with theCork and picking someone else with #4.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, now you'll displace some poor slugs in San Clemente, so Ohio's gain is San Clemente's loss, although that doesn't sound right, does it? Please don't curse me out, Mr. Campbell.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 9:13 PM
I don't think there is too many "poor" slugs in San Clemente and there I will probably be able to hire some instead of having to do the work myself like I do here.

I really am going to make an attempt to be the kinder and gentler version of scamp that everyone knew when I first came on this here blog. It's hard to do that when I have this reputation and so i get attacked as much as I attack but...Oh well, I'll just steer clear of tainty the clown and maybe I'll succeed.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Of course, now you'll displace some poor slugs in San Clemente, so Ohio's gain is San Clemente's loss, although that doesn't sound right, does it? Please don't curse me out, Mr. Campbell.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 9:13 PM

LOL and Oh yeah F U!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

And if college programs and records are so important, both Jason Campbell (13-0, senior year at Auburn) and Tim Tebow (all world at UF), would be considered all that, wouldn't they?

And they are not.

Records are not the end all be all but they are a strong indicator. If Clausen was as good as advertised he would have had winning record in at least one of his seasons (im talking regular season) Matt Ryan was 25-7 in three years as a starter with questionable talent at BC. Joe Flacco took Delaware to a Nat'l championship game. Those are demonstrated winners.Clausen puts up big numbers when he throws 40 plus times. Thats not very impressive when ND plays mediocre competition. At least Bradford led his team to the big game so we can see what he could doin big game situations. Both Mannings,Big Ben, Brees, Rivers were all winners at the college level. Jay Cutler is one of the only college qbs with a losing record that I can recall and I think he has demonstrated that he is not a winner.


That being said, im hoping Shanallen dont buy the Kiper hype. Im hoping the skins go
Okung/Davis, Pouncey, LeFevour/Snead, and hopefully Matthews from Fresno State falls to the fifth round.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Agree2Disagree-

Change your name to Disagree2Disagree or RepectfullyDisagree. I see a lot of disagreeing but not so much agreeing.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article for those looking at 2nd round QBs.

My preference is to wait until 2011 to draft a QB, though we may not be in the right draft slot for that in 2011 (assuming there is a draft in 2011).

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http://www.csnwashington.com/02/11/10/Redskins-Draft-QB-Or-O-Lineman-At-Number/landing_redskins.html?blockID=179245&feedID=272

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 11, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

any chance that the Skins let their time at #4 elapse (Vikings style) and slide down to take Bulaga around the 12th-13th pick. I know there is no chance of this happening. I guess I should ask - Should the Skins use this strategy? Has anyone other than the Vikings ever done this?

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

any chance that the Skins let their time at #4 elapse (Vikings style) and slide down to take Bulaga around the 12th-13th pick. I know there is no chance of this happening. I guess I should ask - Should the Skins use this strategy? Has anyone other than the Vikings ever done this?

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

A better question is why would the skins do this. They arent exactly strapped for cash and if they want to pick 12th or 13th there are better ways, such as trading down to do it.I think the vikings did it because they wanted to pay a lower slot.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 11, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

any chance that the Skins let their time at #4 elapse (Vikings style) and slide down to take Bulaga around the 12th-13th pick. I know there is no chance of this happening. I guess I should ask - Should the Skins use this strategy? Has anyone other than the Vikings ever done this?

Posted by: coparker5 | February 11, 2010 10:23 PM |

In my mind the only reason to do this is to save money and we don't ususally worry about that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 11, 2010 10:10 PM

Thanks.

Posted by: TWISI | February 11, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I know this really doesn't have a place on this blog but I'm watching the Cavs hand Orlando their a$$es and I'm not sure why I've seen so much LaBron bashing on here but the dude has mad skills.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article kerz

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

jordan shipley

I know no one wants a receiver, but this guy in the slot, drafted in, say, round 5, might be a nice addition to an offense with unproven receivers outside of Moss/Thomas (and he ain't all that proven himself).

He could fill in where ARE never did.

That's a formation of:

Moss (wide or slot), Shipley (slot/punt returner), Thomas (flanker/wide), Mitchell (wide), and Kelly (who knows?).

Let the, "Not another receiver!" howling begin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

good memory scamp...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 11, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not advocating taking a QB this year at all, especially since this is considered a very weak year for QBs.

This is the list

1st Rd- Clausen, Bradford
2nd Rd- LeFevour, Tebow(jax tix sales)
3rd Rd- Brown, Snead, Pike
4-7th- McCoy, Robinson, Canfield, Stull, Hall, Crompton, Skelton, Kafka, Hiller

Similar take on Curz's article from WalterFootball

"Second-round quarterbacks have a 90.9-percent bust rate. Excluding Drew Brees and possibly Chad Henne, name one successful Round 2 quarterback in the past decade. Don't try, because there are none. Believe it or not, the next best guy is Tarvaris Jackson (Kevin Kolb and Chad Henne being unknowns right now)."

Tender JC, cut Collins, sign a UFA QB (Redman, Feely, McCown, Boller, etc) and let em compete for the job.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"Matt Ryan was 25-7 in three years as a starter with questionable talent at BC."

Ryan had questionable talent as a senior. BC was much better during his first two seasons.

"Joe Flacco took Delaware to a Nat'l championship game."

He beat the Del State Hornets, the Northern Iowa Panthers, and the Southern Illinois Salukis before losing 49-21 to the powerful Appalachian State Mountaineers.

"Those are demonstrated winners."
There's no bigger winner than Tim Tebow, and you're not recommending the Skins pick him at #4.

"Clausen puts up big numbers when he throws 40 plus times."

Clausen threw 40 times only when his team was behind, and eventually lost. His passing ratings were consistently better when he threw less.

"Both Mannings,Big Ben, Brees, Rivers were all winners at the college level. Jay Cutler is one of the only college qbs with a losing record that I can recall and I think he has demonstrated that he is not a winner."

Jay Cutler played on weak teams in college. The Mannings, Roethlisberger, Brees, and Rivers were all criticized (unfairly) in college for not leading their teams to better records.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Whatever Diesel. Don't forget PORTIS for a third rounder. Wouldn't want to break the streak. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 11, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Joe Flacco took Delaware to a Nat'l championship game."

Flacco also transferred from Pitt to Delaware because he couldn't beat out Tyler Palko. He turned out ok tho..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 11:11 PM

Shipley will be gone before the end of the 3rd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

who cares what malcolm kelly thinks? dude has caught like 6 passes in his entire nfl career.

Posted by: BMACattack | February 12, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

They need many, many, many more picks if it takes trading Cooley, Campbell, Moss etc its what they have to do ... not sure I would trade Haynesworth since it may be possible to get his mate VandenBosch to replace Carter ... but who knows ... if I am the 4-12 Skins I am open to all possible trade scenarios if they are going to improve what I am taking to camp in July.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Curzon, I wouldn't trust that csn article too much ...


"In that same period of time, 27 offensive linemen were taken in the first round, and they have started 1,093 games out of a possible 2,976. That comes out to 82 percent."

I'm pretty good at math -- 1093/2976 is bit above 33% -- which is nowhere close to 82%.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

"Shipley will be gone before the end of the 3rd."


I can believe that, and I'm an idiot for not reviewing draftnik chatta before laying a claim on him.

Still, I think the guy will be a good story, player, fan fav, where ever he winds up.

Bryant, Gilyard, Shipley, and my darkhorse candidate for new redskin receiver: Demaryius Thomas (6'3, 229) of Ga-Tech.

Size wise, D Thomas is a B Marhsall clone.

He's another one of those juniors leaving college early who, but for labor issues, would be a top pick next year.

Will he be there in rounds 4 or 5?: I dunno.

Let the howling begin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

"Second-round quarterbacks have a 90.9-percent bust rate. Excluding Drew Brees and possibly Chad Henne, name one successful Round 2 quarterback in the past decade. Don't try, because there are none. Believe it or not, the next best guy is Tarvaris Jackson (Kevin Kolb and Chad Henne being unknowns right now)."

In the past decade, teams have fallen into a pattern of drafting QBs higher than other positions (witness Stafford and Sanchez) based on how rare it is to find a really good one outside the first round. If the Skins draft a QB at four, that will be the reason, too. I'm sure when Washington drafted Jason Campbell at 17 or Cleveland drafted Brady Quinn at 22, it was in the hope that both had been undervalued like Brees, who was the first pick of Round 2.

Brees fell in the draft because people worried about his height, his arm strength, and whether he was a system QB in college. That was the year Atlanta fell in love with Michael Vick and drafted him first, the only QB in round one.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

good memory scamp...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 11, 2010 11:15 PM |

Guess all those years of drugs and booze didn't leave me totally braindead.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"Second-round quarterbacks have a 90.9-percent bust rate. Excluding Drew Brees and possibly Chad Henne, name one successful Round 2 quarterback in the past decade. Don't try, because there are none. Believe it or not, the next best guy is Tarvaris Jackson (Kevin Kolb and Chad Henne being unknowns right now)."

In the past decade, teams have fallen into a pattern of drafting QBs higher than other positions (witness Stafford and Sanchez) based on how rare it is to find a really good one outside the first round. If the Skins draft a QB at four, that will be the reason, too. I'm sure when Washington drafted Jason Campbell at 17 or Cleveland drafted Brady Quinn at 22, it was in the hope that both had been undervalued like Brees, who was the first pick of Round 2.

Brees fell in the draft because people worried about his height, his arm strength, and whether he was a system QB in college. That was the year Atlanta fell in love with Michael Vick and drafted him first, the only QB in round one.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 7:32 AM
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I don't get your point. So, maybe there haven't been a lot of 2nd round QB's picked that are starting but there are guys who have been chosen lower - or even undrafted that have done well. When was Brady picked? Round 6? Kurt Warner was undrafted. Matt Hasselbeck was picked in round six. I think in a draft like this, where this isn't much talent at QB, you have less risk with picking out of the first round. I can't see picking a guy like Bradford, who has injury concerns, with the fourth pick. Clausen can't win the big games, so I wouldn't touch him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Guess all those years of drugs and booze didn't leave me totally braindead.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Well-l-l-l. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't get your point. So, maybe there haven't been a lot of 2nd round QB's picked that are starting but there are guys who have been chosen lower - or even undrafted that have done well. When was Brady picked? Round 6? Kurt Warner was undrafted. Matt Hasselbeck was picked in round six. I think in a draft like this, where this isn't much talent at QB, you have less risk with picking out of the first round. I can't see picking a guy like Bradford, who has injury concerns, with the fourth pick. Clausen can't win the big games, so I wouldn't touch him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:09 AM

Although there are occassionally QB's taken in the later rounds that pan out, I would venture to guess that the majority of late round QB's are nothing more than career backups or are out of the league pretty quickly. The Hasselbacks, Bradys and Warners are more rare than common. To count on a QB to be a starter when picked later is rather foolish. Having said that I'm not thrilled with picking a QB in the first for us either.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Guess all those years of drugs and booze didn't leave me totally braindead.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Well-l-l-l. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 8:12 AM |

No more yeehaw though. I've cleaned up my act. I like the family life now...but those were some crazy days.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Alright kiddies. Going to put some volunteer hours in at the church. Keep up the chatta and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

HAIL to the REDSKINS

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

OL, OL, OL, OL, OL.

As silly as it looks, consider the Skins spent every pick last year except 1 (a 7th round pick) on defense. Plus got Jarmon in the supplemental draft.

On offense, the team has selected 4 TEs in recent years, spent 3 picks on WRs in the past 2 years (incl 2 second round picks). Even QB has had several picks. Brennan, Palmer and Daniel (though I think he was a free agent) in addition to Campbell.

The only positions the Skins have truly ignored are OL and RB.

And lets face, an RB without an OL is basically putting the cart before the horse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2010 6:18 PM
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I could live with that. I think we shouldn't dismiss Shanahan's ability to find a few gems in undrafted free agents. This guy had a year out of football to watch all of the college football he could handle. I suspect he'll come up with at least one undrafted player - probably a running back - that will have everyone asking where that kid came from. One thing that really excites me about Shanahan and the great coaching staff he assembled is they will develop players. Where Zorn wouldn't let his rookies on the field because of their limitations, Shanahan will find a way to put them on the field because of their strengths.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

jimmy clausen - ron powlus

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"jimmy clausen - ron powlus
Posted by: RedSkinHead |"

Jimmy Clausen minus Ron Powlus equals what?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Although there are occassionally QB's taken in the later rounds that pan out, I would venture to guess that the majority of late round QB's are nothing more than career backups or are out of the league pretty quickly. The Hasselbacks, Bradys and Warners are more rare than common. To count on a QB to be a starter when picked later is rather foolish. Having said that I'm not thrilled with picking a QB in the first for us either.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 8:14 AM
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I'm not saying they are going to find a blue chip quarterback in the later rounds. I am saying that if they are going to pick a QB this year - if Shanahan feels he needs to bring in HIS guy this year - then there's not enough certainty in the talent that is out there to draft a QB in the first round. Personally, I think re-signing Campbell to play one more year - or signing a veteran at roughly the same level of ability (Pennington?) - and then taking Tony Pike in the second round would be a great move. I also think sticking with other players in this draft and trading for a quarterback on another team's roster who has potential might not be a bad move, either. I am thinking Brodie Croyle from KC in that scenario.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"jimmy clausen - ron powlus
Posted by: RedSkinHead |"

Jimmy Clausen minus Ron Powlus equals what?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 8:31 AM
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There was a song about that: "nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"I think we shouldn't dismiss Shanahan's ability to find a few gems in undrafted free agents. This guy had a year out of football to watch all of the college football he could handle....he'll come up with at least one undrafted player... that will have everyone asking where that kid came from."


Agreed.

I think Shanny might take some of the offensive weapon type players, and then come back with some gems in offensive linemen.

I mean, other than Ryan Clady, what big name high round drafted offensive lineman did he bring to Denver?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Shanny comes in here and gives the QBs on the roster now a chance to show their stuff. Drafting a guy #4 to ride the pine for a year when this team has a ton of immediate needs is dumb, IMO. Especially when the well of QBs in this draft is pretty dry.

If Bradford falls to the 2nd round, I'm all for taking a chance on the guy. But taking anything other than OL help at #4 is retarded.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"So, maybe there haven't been a lot of 2nd round QB's picked that are starting but there are guys who have been chosen lower - or even undrafted that have done well. When was Brady picked? Round 6? Kurt Warner was undrafted. Matt Hasselbeck was picked in round six."

All true, and all exceptional NFL quarterbacks. You could add former All-Pros Marc Bulger (6th round) and Trent Green (8th round) to that mix. The question is, how did the scouts miss on them?

For one thing, none has a rocket arm. None is an eye-catching physical specimen. With the exception of Brady, they came from good but not great college programs. Brady won several bowl games, but was overshadowed on his own team by his tall, athletic, strong-armed backup.

Bill Walsh once said, in explaining how Joe Montana fell out of the first round, that it just went to show how little NFL scouts knew about the QB position.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

samson151

"Bill Walsh once said, in explaining how Joe Montana fell out of the first round, that it just went to show how little NFL scouts knew about the QB position."

This begs the question about whether or not if Jason Campbell's talent is getting ready to peak or has flattened.

We weekend scouts peel apart his game like it was a boiled peanut when, for all we know, Campbell might be right around the corner from where the coveted 'elite' quarterbacks already are.

Facts are facts: Jason Campbell threw for 3,600 yards behind a porous line to developing and undersized receivers while his all pro tight end was on the injured reserve.

You wonder, if the toys around him are improved, does his play follow?

That's the nut Shanny has to crack.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh once said, in explaining how Joe Montana fell out of the first round, that it just went to show how little NFL scouts knew about the QB position.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 8:50 AM

Did Walsh list the things he looked for in a QB?

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Clausen is growing on me. That is all.

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Shanny comes in here and gives the QBs on the roster now a chance to show their stuff. Drafting a guy #4 to ride the pine for a year when this team has a ton of immediate needs is dumb, IMO. Especially when the well of QBs in this draft is pretty dry.

If Bradford falls to the 2nd round, I'm all for taking a chance on the guy. But taking anything other than OL help at #4 is retarded.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh my god you said retarded. I'm telling Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanny might take some of the offensive weapon type players, and then come back with some gems in offensive linemen.

I mean, other than Ryan Clady, what big name high round drafted offensive lineman did he bring to Denver?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty obvious that he will find some late round gems but Shanny did take a high pick left tackle. It's very hard to find gems to play left tackle. Left tackles face the best of the best pass rushers. That's why left tackles go so high. I think Shanny will take Okung at #4 and fill the rest of the line in with late round gems and free agents. Looking around in free agency Marcus McNiell has stenosis. Maybe the Saints let Jammal Brown go? I just don't think you can play in this division without a stud at left tackle. You have to face Demarcus Ware, Trent Cole, and Justin Tuck.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Clausen is growing on me. That is all.

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Why? because he put up great numbers as a starter his entire college career despite playing on a team with no running game, no oline, and no defense that was consistently talent poor? Gee why would that grow on anybody?

IMO he's going to be the best QB from this draft and a very good NFL QB. His accuracy and ability to read defenses would be an instant upgrade over JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying they are going to find a blue chip quarterback in the later rounds. I am saying that if they are going to pick a QB this year - if Shanahan feels he needs to bring in HIS guy this year - then there's not enough certainty in the talent that is out there to draft a QB in the first round. Personally, I think re-signing Campbell to play one more year - or signing a veteran at roughly the same level of ability (Pennington?) - and then taking Tony Pike in the second round would be a great move. I also think sticking with other players in this draft and trading for a quarterback on another team's roster who has potential might not be a bad move, either. I am thinking Brodie Croyle from KC in that scenario.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 8:35 AM

Well then sir, you and I are in complete agreement.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I just don't think you can play in this division without a stud at left tackle. You have to face Demarcus Ware, Trent Cole, and Justin Tuck.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Do we need an upgrade from Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer? Absolutely.

But do we have to have a "stud" left tackle?

The most dominant left tackles for the last decade:
Walter Jones
Chris Samuels
Jonathan Ogden
Orlando Pace

Ogden has been on a team that has been consistently above average but only won a super bowl because of defense, and Pace was on the Rams greatest show on turf that won all of 1 super bowl and had a decent 3 year run of success. IMO you stack that track record against the greatest QBs of the last decade and their success records its a different story. Left tackle is certainly important, and we need an upgrade, but don't kid yourself, if Shanny thinks there's an elite QB prospect in Bradford or Clausen he will and should take him and not look back.

BTW - we've had a stud left tackle until this year for a decade and won all of bupkis.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Paskinsfan

"I think it's pretty obvious that he will find some late round gems but Shanny did take a high pick left tackle."

Well, like a posted, Shanny did take Clady.

It's the other guys he added that show his skill at acquiring unknown type linemen as the broncos' linemen are an anonymous group that produce year in and year out.

And not to belabor the point about his linemen, but some time ago, I did a little research, and posted it as it revealed that the leaner athletic types Shanny covets, played quite well against the beef eater types we brag about in the NFC East.

The linemen Shanny brought in to denver who blocked for Knowshon Moreno last season posted a 4.3 cumulative average against the NFC East they faced.

We say we want maulers when an athletic guy (6'5" 290-310 pounds) with great feet and quick hips and understands leverage is what we need.

And that's what we'll get.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Clausen is growing on me. That is all.

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I think there's an ointment for that.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 12, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

samson151

"Bill Walsh once said, in explaining how Joe Montana fell out of the first round, that it just went to show how little NFL scouts knew about the QB position."

This begs the question about whether or not if Jason Campbell's talent is getting ready to peak or has flattened.

We weekend scouts peel apart his game like it was a boiled peanut when, for all we know, Campbell might be right around the corner from where the coveted 'elite' quarterbacks already are.

Facts are facts: Jason Campbell threw for 3,600 yards behind a porous line to developing and undersized receivers while his all pro tight end was on the injured reserve.

You wonder, if the toys around him are improved, does his play follow?

That's the nut Shanny has to crack.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 9:03 AM
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That's an interesting question to ask. I kept thinking all last year that Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics had actually made him a worse quarterback. I don't think there is any harm in re-signing Campbell to a one year contract and seeing what he has. If the team wants to stack the deck in their favor, then they draft a QB later than the first round as a developmental prospect. Maybe they add to that by getting a veteran with playing experience to offer some competition for Campbell (Charlie Batch?). I am sure Shanahan will say good-bye to Collins, and if Brennan plays like he did last preseason, he's gone, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh my god you said retarded. I'm telling Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 9:13 AM


Please do...also tell her that I've been a bad boy and need a spanking.

She is seriously a banner example of a woman that only sounds smart when she has a dick in her mouth. Can't wait until her 15 minutes are up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Larry Foote is a free agent from the Lions and won't be tagged according to ESPN and PFT. I hope we take a look at him, he was a stud for the Steelers as an ILB and if we are truly going to that system we need another MLB to make it work, it would be nice to get a guy with his kind of experience in the system.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they add to that by getting a veteran with playing experience to offer some competition for Campbell (Charlie Batch?). I am sure Shanahan will say good-bye to Collins, and if Brennan plays like he did last preseason, he's gone, too.


Why would they bring Charlie Batch here to do anything? He is over the hill and lost his backup job to Dennis Dixon. He isnt even viable competition to Colt Brennan. I could understand bringing in a Losman or even Pennington if he is released , but if they bring in Batch they might as well keep Collins

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 12, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm not interested in Batch, but for the record he didn't lose his backup job to anybody, he got injured.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I am sure Shanahan will say good-bye to Collins, and if Brennan plays like he did last preseason, he's gone, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 9:44 AM
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Not so sure about Shanny jettisoning Collins. Kyle/Mike will see on film, what we have seen for the past two seasons, that Collins can manage a better game and has the quicker read and release than Campbell. And Collins, according to Gibbs, is a student of the game and comes prepared each Sunday (he wouldnt comment on JC). Collins is also still under a reasonably priced Contract for 2010. He may fight it out again with Colt and a "to be determined" rookie QB for the 2nd or 3rd backup position, like last summer.
Besides, every team needs at least one AARP member.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I would think you bring in David Carr or someone like that to be a backup.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Clausen is growing on me. That is all.

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I think there's an ointment for that.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 12, 2010 9:35 AM
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funny JohnDin.. thanks..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

That's an interesting question to ask. I kept thinking all last year that Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics had actually made him a worse quarterback. I don't think there is any harm in re-signing Campbell to a one year contract and seeing what he has. If the team wants to stack the deck in their favor, then they draft a QB later than the first round as a developmental prospect. Maybe they add to that by getting a veteran with playing experience to offer some competition for Campbell (Charlie Batch?). I am sure Shanahan will say good-bye to Collins, and if Brennan plays like he did last preseason, he's gone, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 9:44 AM


First of all, no to Charlie Batch. He's done and has been for a couple years now.

And how do you figure "Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics had actually made him a worse quarterback"? Dude has improved his numbers EVERY year as a starter and had a better '09 than most are willing to admit.

Roll with Campbell in '10, pick up Jeff Garcia to compete with him, get a young prospect to groom (maybe Colt Brennan, draft LeFever). Keep the eyes on the OL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh my god you said retarded. I'm telling Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 9:13 AM


Please do...also tell her that I've been a bad boy and need a spanking.

She is seriously a banner example of a woman that only sounds smart when she has a dick in her mouth. Can't wait until her 15 minutes are up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hahahaha agreed. Awesome, just awesome.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

What the Skins do in FA will determine everything, period. If they get some help on the line, they will definitely go with Bradford. Justifying it by saying they shored up the line and get more help for the line by later round picks.
Me being an armchair GM, I would trade the #4 and 1 or or 2 NEED players to Seattle, for their #6 and #14. Then trade # 6 Down to get a later 1st round and another second and a 3rd. This would give me:
2 first round (14TH pick on O-line, later on safety)
2 second round (draft Pike to sit behind JC for a year, and an O-lineman)
1 third round ( best available CB,LB,RB)
1 forth round (best available CB,LB,RB)
5th and 7th round Best available athletes
FA starting O-Line help (Best YOUNG baller available, Just pay him!
FA Best young LB baller available.
Then have this all world coaching staff coach 'em up.

Also,
There are a lot of Players (JRs) coming out this year that have talent that will not be drafted. The post Draft FA market this particular year is going to be exceptional to the teams that do their due diligence on scouting the depth of this draft. There will be players that will eventually start from this FA pool.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Larry Foote is a free agent from the Lions and won't be tagged according to ESPN and PFT. I hope we take a look at him, he was a stud for the Steelers as an ILB and if we are truly going to that system we need another MLB to make it work, it would be nice to get a guy with his kind of experience in the system.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 9:51 AM

What? No Antonio Pierce? Greg, you getting this?

Seriously though, Foote would be a nice pickup for a one-year, low money contract. IF we're in fact running a 3-4, that is. I saw him play in Pittsburgh, dude has game when healthy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Please do...also tell her that I've been a bad boy and need a spanking.

She is seriously a banner example of a woman that only sounds smart when she has a dick in her mouth. Can't wait until her 15 minutes are up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hahahaha agreed. Awesome, just awesome.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

O-o-o, you guys are EVIL!

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM
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Agreed to all in your post. Also, stockpile more draft picks by unloading the deadwood that was exposed last year when they were out on IR and the Skins offense greatly improved.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

in-con-se-quen-tial, adj. 1. of no consequence; trivial. 2. irrelevant. 3. Jason Campbell's impact on a football game

draft Bradford

Posted by: coparker5 | February 12, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

She is seriously a banner example of a woman that only sounds smart when she has a dick in her mouth. Can't wait until her 15 minutes are up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hahahaha agreed. Awesome, just awesome.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

O-o-o, you guys are EVIL!

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 10:08 AM

But, you gotta agree that she still has a few IQ points on brownwood. He doesn't sound intelligent even when he has a dick in his mouth. Hehe.

Posted by: League-Source | February 12, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

the very fact that Pierce hasn't been signed to a contract yet, indicates to me that NOTHING has changed with this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Don't you realize that almost half the conservatives who claim to be Republicans want to vote for her as President of the United States? Yee-Haw good buddy. Slick Willie's of the world rejoice.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

in-con-se-quen-tial, adj. 1. of no consequence; trivial. 2. irrelevant. 3. Jason Campbell's impact on a football game

draft Bradford

Posted by: coparker5 | February 12, 2010 10:10 AM


Wow, so the QB with the busted throwing arm is the answer? You'll excuse me if the thought of Bradford on Redskins IR doesn't give me a mind boner.

If JC is inconsequential, then surely the team will be just fine if they get at least a decent OL in front of him and his WRs step up. Since, you know, only about 3 teams in the league have a QB that can win all by himself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What the Skins do in FA will determine everything, period. If they get some help on the line, they will definitely go with Bradford. Justifying it by saying they shored up the line and get more help for the line by later round picks.
Me being an armchair GM, I would trade the #4 and 1 or or 2 NEED players to Seattle, for their #6 and #14. Then trade # 6 Down to get a later 1st round and another second and a 3rd. This would give me:
2 first round (14TH pick on O-line, later on safety)
2 second round (draft Pike to sit behind JC for a year, and an O-lineman)
1 third round ( best available CB,LB,RB)
1 forth round (best available CB,LB,RB)
5th and 7th round Best available athletes
FA starting O-Line help (Best YOUNG baller available, Just pay him!
FA Best young LB baller available.
Then have this all world coaching staff coach 'em up.

Also,
There are a lot of Players (JRs) coming out this year that have talent that will not be drafted. The post Draft FA market this particular year is going to be exceptional to the teams that do their due diligence on scouting the depth of this draft. There will be players that will eventually start from this FA pool.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree that FA will dictate what we do in the draft. I happen to think we're going to sign anywhere from 3 to 6 lineman as well as draft at least 2. But that said, the rest of your post of trading down 57 times is ridiculous. There is nobody in this draft worth trading up for, who does Seattle covet at #4 that they can't get a similar guy at #6? The answer is nobody. Its pretty much a given we're stuck at #4. What is much more likely is that in a draft that is deep with quality lineman on both sides of the ball is that we may be able to trade back from our second round pick and pick up and addition 3rd, which I hope they do. But nobody is trading into the top five to pay the contract that slot demands this year when there are no "elite" must have prospects the year before a rookie wage scale is implemented.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"I would think you bring in David Carr or someone like that to be a backup."


I'd like to see Dennis Dixon (stillers) get a shot as back up.

I think that guy can play in the NFL and be good, and he won't get a shot to play behind Big Ben.

Maybe if you resign Campbell, perhaps a guy like Dixon can be pried away with a hope and a bucket of snow from the Iron City people.

Not that they'd let go of him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

But, you gotta agree that she still has a few IQ points on brownwood. He doesn't sound intelligent even when he has a dick in his mouth. Hehe.

Posted by: League-Source | February 12, 2010 10:11 AM


This coming from the guy that offered me oral a couple months ago. After that, I'd be quiet on this topic if I were you.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

the very fact that Pierce hasn't been signed to a contract yet, indicates to me that NOTHING has changed with this team...

Free agency starts March 5th, im not sure they could offer him a contract right now if they wanted to

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 12, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

KingJJ, I'm pretty sure Greg is joking on that. Kind of a running joke up here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

the very fact that Pierce hasn't been signed to a contract yet, indicates to me that NOTHING has changed with this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM
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He's healthy? Back disks usually dont improve at his age, unless you lose a considerable amount of weight. But you dont see many skinny LBs playing in the NFL. I think its a good move by the Gints.
And a good move by the Skins not to sign him.

The Giants are purging because they know the likes of this 2010 talent-rich Draft may never be seen again. They have, what many in the NFL consider, the sharpest personnel people in the biz..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The Pierce comment was a joke guys....sheesh

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Pierce is a core redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree that FA will dictate what we do in the draft. I happen to think we're going to sign anywhere from 3 to 6 lineman as well as draft at least 2. But that said, the rest of your post of trading down 57 times is ridiculous. There is nobody in this draft worth trading up for, who does Seattle covet at #4 that they can't get a similar guy at #6? The answer is nobody. Its pretty much a given we're stuck at #4.

I said trade #4 for 6 & 14 AND 1 or 2 NEED players for the Seahawks, Dude they have a lot of needs. two proven players and only dropping 2 spots is worth it. there are only 5-6 guys we don't trade.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I figured you grab Carr, because he worked with Kubiack (sp) a shannyfile.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

KingJJ, I'm pretty sure Greg is joking on that. Kind of a running joke up here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:24 AM
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oh, then, beantown got me too.. if he was kidding..
Yesterday there was someone on RI that was pushing for acquiring Antonio...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Don't you realize that almost half the conservatives who claim to be Republicans want to vote for her as President of the United States? Yee-Haw good buddy. Slick Willie's of the world rejoice.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM

That statement is completely false. Very few would vote for her. The only people that want that wingnut to run are Libs. That's the only way they have a shot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Pierce is a core redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:29 AM
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lets get Wilbur Marshall, too..
Anyone remember him..?? One bad dude. Played with a Singletary attitude.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that for Antonio Pierce, the old saying that you can't go home again is not necessarily true. Pierce is rumored to have, upon his release from the Giants earlier this week, have contacted Daniel Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, and they are rumored to be working out what amounts to a 3 year, 25 million dollar deal, with 5 million in bonus money, and 15 of the 25 guaranteed"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

the very fact that Pierce hasn't been signed to a contract yet, indicates to me that NOTHING has changed with this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM

Now THATS humor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I said trade #4 for 6 & 14 AND 1 or 2 NEED players for the Seahawks, Dude they have a lot of needs. two proven players and only dropping 2 spots is worth it. there are only 5-6 guys we don't trade.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:30 AM


Dude, like I told you the first time you posted this nonsense, nobody's giving up two top 15 picks to move up a whopping two spots. That's a pipe dream at best.

And then you go on to point out that they have a lot of needs and somehow arrive at the conclusion that they would go about doing the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of conventional thought (and common sense) by not using the two high 1st rounders.

If there's a deal like the one Vinny botched where you give up a 1st rounder for a couple 2nd rounders and a couple more picks, I'm for it. But the likelihood is that we use what we've got and make do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I figured you grab Carr, because he worked with Kubiack (sp) a shannyfile.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

True, but Kubiak gave up on him

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I figured you grab Carr, because he worked with Kubiack (sp) a shannyfile.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

True, but Kubiak gave up on him

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Don't you realize that almost half the conservatives who claim to be Republicans want to vote for her as President of the United States? Yee-Haw good buddy. Slick Willie's of the world rejoice.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM

That statement is completely false. Very few would vote for her. The only people that want that wingnut to run are Libs. That's the only way they have a shot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I know this isn't a political forum but whaaaaat? Liberals want Sarah Palin to run for office? Unless "Libs" means something else. You couldn't be more incorrect.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree that FA will dictate what we do in the draft. I happen to think we're going to sign anywhere from 3 to 6 lineman as well as draft at least 2. But that said, the rest of your post of trading down 57 times is ridiculous. There is nobody in this draft worth trading up for, who does Seattle covet at #4 that they can't get a similar guy at #6? The answer is nobody. Its pretty much a given we're stuck at #4.

I said trade #4 for 6 & 14 AND 1 or 2 NEED players for the Seahawks, Dude they have a lot of needs. two proven players and only dropping 2 spots is worth it. there are only 5-6 guys we don't trade.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Dude, its not going to happen, there would have to be somebody they want badly to move up and take our castoffs. Why would they trade two first rounders to pay an absorbent contract to a guy at 4 when they can get two guys with just as much promise and fill two needs with young guys at less cost then overpaying for a guy at 4 and getting our trash. Who would you send them? Ladell Betts? Portis? Carter? none of them would entice that kind of a move on their end. Would we do it? Of course! But live in reality man, there's nobody in this draft that will be there at #4 that some team "has to have" enough to move up for.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Just because they weren't the best 4 overall doesn't mean they weren't studs. You are also discounting any rushing success that those guys provided and considering QBs elite just because they won the super bowl.

I don't think you can discount Ogden because his team didn't pass much. Ogden was part of an offense that allowed Jamal Lewis to run for 1,3000 yards in the regular season(5th overall) and scored the 14th most points in the league.

Now who has won all those super bowls lately?

Pats

The Pats have always had a great left tackle in Matt Light. Light is pretty much done now but back in the his super bowl days that offense was as good of a rushing team as it was passing. It wasn't just the Tom Brady show. Light consistently provided great protection for Tom Brady and paved the way for a great rushing attack. He's a 2 time pro bowler and an all pro. I'd say he is a stud.


Steelers

Now how can you discount Ogden but then give credit to Big Ben? Those Steeler teams were built on great defenses and strong rushing attacks. They certainly didn't win because of dominant elite QB play. I think Ben had one of the worst QB perfomances in super bowl history in his first super bowl. Ben had 123 yards passing and 2 picks with no passing TDs. He was better in his second super bowl but not elite. 256 yards 1 TD and 1 pick is a good performance but not elite.

Giants

Eli is not elite. He's only been in the top 10 in passing twice. Dave Diehl however is a 2 time pro bowler and an all pro and led the Giants to the #1 rushing attack in 2008.

Bucs/Ravens didn't have elite QBs either.

Now as far as saying elite left tackles don't win super bowls but elite QBs do I'll just list a quick response.

Matt Schaub
Tony Romo
Donavan McNabb
Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Carson Palmer
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler

So to break it down the teams with an elite QB and no stud left tackle that have won the super bowl are the:

Colts and Saints

The teams that had both stud left tackles and stud QBs were:

Pats and Rams

The teams that had just stud left tackles are:

Ravens and Giants

The teams that had niether are:

Bucs and Steelers

It appears to be a draw between stud left tackles and stud QBs. I'm giving the draw to the left tackles because of the much lower draft bust rate.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

True, but Kubiak gave up on him

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

But I figure he is gonna be a backup for us to replace Collins, who I expect to retire.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

If there's a deal like the one Vinny botched where you give up a 1st rounder for a couple 2nd rounders and a couple more picks, I'm for it. But the likelihood is that we use what we've got and make do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM
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F it.. Skins were 4-12.. Start from scratch.. Trade everyone on the Offense for Picks in 2010. Wait.. keep Ganther, Davis, and Yoder... trade the freakin rest.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like a great program, good for the NFL and good for the players.

Nice work.

So I hit the gym today for the first time in a year, since tearing my pectoral muscle...threw up 2 times doing suicides, surely not young anymore.

anyone know the scoop on this kid from Rutgers??

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

the NBA scuttlebutt up these parts is Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, and another cat for Jamison, and Caron Butler.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Nice try PA, but of your list there:

Matt Schaub
Tony Romo
Donavan McNabb
Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Carson Palmer
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler

Only McNabb counts as an "elite" QB who hasn't gotten it done despite going to 4 conference title games, essentially owning the NFC East for his career, and making it to a Super Bowl. Schaub was a 2nd round backup, is injury prone, and is only in his 3rd year as a starter. Romo, I would hardly call him elite, he's a good QB but has played on a team with elite weapons yet tends to get turnover happy and lose when it matters and is still young. Rivers and Rodgers are elite but they too are still very early in their careers. Ryan and Cutler as elite QBs is laughable and even if you want to try that you're talking about a combined 5 years of experience. Palmer was on elite track but injuries haven't helped.

The only guy on that list that is a valid rebuttal is McNabb, and I would argue that most people would kill for the success he has had. With who Tra Thomas as his LT, I mean come on, he's a good player but hardly a HOF or elite guy. Is Jim Kelly a failure because he never won a super bowl? Name his stud left tackle. And come on Matt Light? he's a good player but I doubt he makes the 20 of left tackles the last decade....and the Patriots weren't that impressive when Drew Bledsoe was running the show, thing all of a sudden changed when Brady took over. Saying Deihl is a "stud" left tackle is a stretch in my opinion as well but whatevs, he's very good but I would argue Eli is a lot better than you gave him credit for.

I'm not arguing that we need to upgrade our oline, we do desperately. But lets not pretend drafted Okung is the magic pill that will make Campbell a elite QB. We've had an elite LT here his entire career until halfway through last season. It didn't seem to help that much then. IF Shanny doesn't believe either Clausen or Bradford have "elite" potential then absolutely we should draft Okung or Davis, but don't try and tell me that given the choice between the chance to get an elite QB or an elite tackle we should draft the tackle, that's just ridiculous.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

anyone know the scoop on this kid from Rutgers??

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 12, 2010 10:45 AM

See this post, above:

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 9:24 PM

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The Winter Olympics Start today?

Raise your hand if you care.

(INSERT image of one feeble hand starting up, then slinking back down as no one else seems interested.)


Thought so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

And how do you figure "Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics had actually made him a worse quarterback"? Dude has improved his numbers EVERY year as a starter and had a better '09 than most are willing to admit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM
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I mean in terms of his accuracy. Please don't quote his stats to me. When a QB has better stats and a worse win-loss record, the stats are meaningless. He padded his stats with 3rd and short passes in garbage time against prevent defenses.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Winter olympics would be the better of the two if they would get rid of the damn figure skating. Athletic events that require Judges should not be called sports.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

don't try and tell me that given the choice between the chance to get an elite QB or an elite tackle we should draft the tackle, that's just ridiculous.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse


Nice try zjfr,
Palmer, Schaub, and Romo are all valid. All have been consistently better passers than Eli Manning so if you want to include Eli as elite then you have to include those guys as well.


You would have a nice argument if there was an elite QB prospect but there isn't. We're looking at an ok prospect in Claussen vs. an elite left tackle prospect in Okung. Look at most of the big boards. Okung is usually around #2-4 while Claussen is typically around #8ish. I think I saw 1 that had Claussen at #5 but Okung was still at #4. Okung is the better prospect. I'd still argue we'd be better of with an elite tackle because the tackles we have are terrible and our QB is mediocre. With an alite tackle our medicore QB would become better and dare I say good. Tackles also effect the running game as well as the passing game. The QB does not have as much effect on the running game as the tackles do. For us, for this year, tackle is the better choice.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

And how do you figure "Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics had actually made him a worse quarterback"? Dude has improved his numbers EVERY year as a starter and had a better '09 than most are willing to admit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:00 AM
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I mean in terms of his accuracy. Please don't quote his stats to me. When a QB has better stats and a worse win-loss record, the stats are meaningless. He padded his stats with 3rd and short passes in garbage time against prevent defenses.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:21 AM
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Plus he threw 15 interceptions last year versus six the year before. Need I remind you about the out of bounds hail mary pass that was the last pass he threw? I sear, Zorn's monkeying with his mechanics did goof him up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You would have a nice argument if there was an elite QB prospect but there isn't.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

And you know this how? I'm not saying there is or there isn't. I'm not a scout or a personnel guy. And I don't think you are either. All I'm saying is that if Allen/Shanny and our talent people evaluate the eligible players in the draft and they believe a potentially elite prospect at QB is available when we pick, it would be straight tard to not draft that player because you believe the only way to fix this team is to draft olineman.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

and I didn't say Eli was elite, I just think he's better than average, and better than JC by a long shot

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Valentine's Day is on Sunday but since there is a long 3 day weekend coming up and most of us will be off I thought I would post a shout-out now to the RI lovebirds. Happy V Day dudes! The sweethearts, in no particular order:

1. League-Source & brownwood26

2. RedDMV & Chia_Pet

3. MistaMoe & BlackBagOps

4. TheCork & TheCork

5. scampbell1975 & periculum

6. chrislarry & everybody else

A comment on a couple of the couples. MistaMoe has a whole cadre of duds on RI who admire his sparkling wit and incisive analyses so I only listed the first one that came to mind. With TheCork, he may have many admirers also, but he is certainly at the top of the list. I threw in chrislarry as a little light humor. We all know that he is in the running every year for the all-world grumpass team.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I mean in terms of his accuracy. Please don't quote his stats to me. When a QB has better stats and a worse win-loss record, the stats are meaningless. He padded his stats with 3rd and short passes in garbage time against prevent defenses.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:21 AM


I didn't quote stats, that's been done here ad nauseum so I'm through with that. Just don't point to team record when discussing individual performance because by that standard Orakpo had a lousy rookie season despite his 11 sacks, London Fletcher had no business in the Pro-Bowl, and Sonny Jurgenson shouldn't be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

and I didn't say Eli was elite, I just think he's better than average, and better than JC by a long shot

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 11:30 AM


I'd love for Eli and JC to trade teams so you could see just how wrong that is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I said trade #4 for 6 & 14 AND 1 or 2 NEED players for the Seahawks, Dude they have a lot of needs. two proven players and only dropping 2 spots is worth it. there are only 5-6 guys we don't trade.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 12, 2010 10:30 AM


Dude, like I told you the first time you posted this nonsense, nobody's giving up two top 15 picks to move up a whopping two spots. That's a pipe dream at best.

And then you go on to point out that they have a lot of needs and somehow arrive at the conclusion that they would go about doing the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of conventional thought (and common sense) by not using the two high 1st rounders.

If there's a deal like the one Vinny botched where you give up a 1st rounder for a couple 2nd rounders and a couple more picks, I'm for it. But the likelihood is that we use what we've got and make do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM

I believe, brownwood, he was saying trade 1 or 2 players plus the number 4 overall for Seattle's 2 picks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Don't you realize that almost half the conservatives who claim to be Republicans want to vote for her as President of the United States? Yee-Haw good buddy. Slick Willie's of the world rejoice.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 10:13 AM

That statement is completely false. Very few would vote for her. The only people that want that wingnut to run are Libs. That's the only way they have a shot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I know this isn't a political forum but whaaaaat? Liberals want Sarah Palin to run for office? Unless "Libs" means something else. You couldn't be more incorrect.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 10:38 AM |

Really? I couldn't be more wrong? Follow me here. Sarah Palin as the GOP presedential candidate guarantees that they lose to the libbies. No way does Sarah Palin get elected as president unless she's running against Daffy Duck or Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'd love for Eli and JC to trade teams so you could see just how wrong that is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

No.

Let's just keep comparing JC to other QBs with real o-lines and NFL caliber HC's.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 12, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Happy VD to you too animal farm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Happy VD to you too animal farm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I believe, brownwood, he was saying trade 1 or 2 players plus the number 4 overall for Seattle's 2 picks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:43 AM


Yeah, but what player do you send them that's worth a 1st round pick? Orakpo is the only guy that they need that could possibly yield that type of return and the Skins would be insane to let him go.

Trades are rare and the Skins have little to nothing to trade of any worth to anyone else. Focus on the draft, build patiently. Rome wasn't built in a day and Super Bowl champs aren't built in one offseason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

No way does Sarah Palin get elected as president unless she's running against Daffy Duck or Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:45 AM


I don't know, scamp...Daffy usually does pretty well in the primaries.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I mean in terms of his accuracy. Please don't quote his stats to me. When a QB has better stats and a worse win-loss record, the stats are meaningless. He padded his stats with 3rd and short passes in garbage time against prevent defenses.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:21 AM

I didn't quote stats, that's been done here ad nauseum so I'm through with that. Just don't point to team record when discussing individual performance because by that standard Orakpo had a lousy rookie season despite his 11 sacks, London Fletcher had no business in the Pro-Bowl, and Sonny Jurgenson shouldn't be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:35 AM
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So, you think Campbell should be compared to a player like Aaron Rogers straight up? Just compare the statistics and don't look at the win-loss record? Hey, I think the Skins should bring Campbell back for another season, and see what he can do under Shanahan. Do I think he's shown anything since he has been with the Redskins that he's a field general and a guy that could lead the team to the SuperBowl? Hell no.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but what player do you send them that's worth a 1st round pick? Orakpo is the only guy that they need that could possibly yield that type of return and the Skins would be insane to let him go.

Trades are rare and the Skins have little to nothing to trade of any worth to anyone else. Focus on the draft, build patiently. Rome wasn't built in a day and Super Bowl champs aren't built in one offseason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 11:51 AM |

I agree with you but I was just trying to clear something up. I would love to trade for Seattles picks, I just don't see them going for it. Niners would be a more likely trade partner but I don't see them giving it up either. They, too, have a lot of needs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you but I was just trying to clear something up. I would love to trade for Seattles picks, I just don't see them going for it. Niners would be a more likely trade partner but I don't see them giving it up either. They, too, have a lot of needs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Nothing needed to be cleared up, we knew what he was saying, read the post where I asked him who we'd send, its a silly post.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Winter Olympics Start today?

Raise your hand if you care.

(INSERT image of one feeble hand starting up, then slinking back down as no one else seems interested.)


Thought so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 11:13 AM
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wake me when its VancOver

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So, you think Campbell should be compared to a player like Aaron Rogers straight up? Just compare the statistics and don't look at the win-loss record? Hey, I think the Skins should bring Campbell back for another season, and see what he can do under Shanahan. Do I think he's shown anything since he has been with the Redskins that he's a field general and a guy that could lead the team to the SuperBowl? Hell no.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:56 AM


RSH, I'm not a fan of comparing players in the NFL at all. Different guys have different weapons, different coaches, different systems. It's not like basketball where you give a guy the ball and clear everyone else outta the way; football is the ultimate team sport which is why we all get a kick out of talking about it and debating it. So it's not fair to assign a W/L record to a single player when that single player isn't solely responsible for the outcome of the game.

So we're in agreement that Campbell has been mostly underwhelming as the starting QB here. But the thing I fight earnestly here is the mindset that A) Campbell is the reason the team has been bad, B) that Campbell has no chance at ever being a good QB and C) that pulling the plug on him now will magically open a door for someone better or elite. Seems to me if you have a serviceable QB and more pressing needs to address, you hang on to that guy and build your team accordingly.

IMO, of course.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The Winter Olympics Start today?

Raise your hand if you care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 11:13 AM

Womens' hockey. Give a woman a stick ... and getcher popcorn for the (ice)catfight! Rrrreerrrow!

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins player acquisition philosophy under Campbell apologists:

-Trade Portis because he doesn't run well enough to keep the attention off of Campbell. Try to draft a player that is fast like Reggie Busch, runs over players like Brandon Jacobs, catches everything thrown at him like Wes Welker and pass blocks like Chris Samuels. Oh, and who can take the heat for his QB's shortcomings like Jim Mora Jr.

-Trade all of the offensive linemen for ten guys who can both pass block and pretend to be five guys when out on the field.

-Draft a really lousy quarterback who can play backup to Campbell and make Campbell look good.

-Trade Mike Sellers for... another one of those running backs that can run real fast, catch everything, and block like and offensive lineman.

-Trade the entire defense for one that can score so Jason Campbell doesn't have to do all of the work.

-Trade the receivers we have for a bunch of guys who are 6' 7" gazelles with hands as big as those foam finger hands and as soft.

All of these players must kowtow to the wonderfulness that is Jason Campbell and be able to run through the Jason Campbell excuse mantra:

"He's been in three thousand different offensive systems - some for just a nano-second and has not had the opportunity to get comfortable in one system."

"He's developing. Each year he keeps getting better and better and by the year 2020 he should finally be coming into his own."

"He would be so much better if he had a better supporting cast. All of the players around him couldn't even make the roster of another NFL team. Those guys who left here and did better on another team? Those guys just couldn't stand being outclassed by JC."

Please guys, just give it a rest. If you have to keep making excuses for Campbell, just don't post. Go out and watch the sky for awhile. I am sure the clouds are real pink and fluffy on the planet where you live...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"but don't try and tell me that given the choice between the chance to get an elite QB or an elite tackle we should draft the tackle, that's just ridiculous."

Depends on what you mean by "the chance to get an elite QB or an elite tackle." If by "the chance" you mean the expected chance of success of top 10 tackles or top 10 QBs based on past results, then by all means this team shouldn't even look at a QB in the top 5, unless they see something extraordinary.

The simple fact is that QBs do not have a high success rate in terms of living up to expectations in the top 10. The reason is because these guys are drafted so high, and in turn receive exorbitant salaries, that you expect nothing less than elite play from this player. Coming out of college, if the Redskins draft a QB at #4, they will be instantly one of the leagues highest paid players (in 2008, just one year after being drafted, Jamarcus Russell was the 4th highest compensated player in the league, earning over $16 million). Drafting a QB at #4 isn't just looking for an upgrade at the position over Campbell. It's finding someone who will be one of the top player's league-wide, regardless of position.

The question is never "who's more important, QB or LT?" If somebody offered a choice between Peyton Manning or Ryan Clady, you'd take Manning every day of the week and twice on Sunday. But it's being able to IDENTIFY properly who that stud QB will be, and balancing the risk/reward relationship that encompasses using such a high draft selection there. If you miss on a top 5 QB, not only did you waste a draft pick, but you're tying up most of your money in a player who is not even close to worth it. The same can be said of tackles, but the success rates of tackles in that draft position is much higher than that of QBs.

The smart money is not on Shanahan and Allen drafting a QB at #4. Neither has a history of doing so that high. Allen didn't do it in Oakland, Allen didn't do it in Tampa Bay, and Shanahan never did it in Denver. If they find a trading partner and are able to go back to the mid-first round, THEN i think you see them seriously consider drafting a QB (depending on availability).

Posted by: psps23 | February 12, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I mean in terms of his accuracy. Please don't quote his stats to me. When a QB has better stats and a worse win-loss record, the stats are meaningless. He padded his stats with 3rd and short passes in garbage time against prevent defenses.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 11:21 AM
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Interesting JReid Malcom Kelly article.. and his thoughts on his former QB, Bradford.

Read between the lines... all the positives he says about Bradford...
Good decisions, Accuracy, Leadership in the huddle, etc.. are the shortcomings of JC.. Wonder who Malcolm was thinking about?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Nothing needed to be cleared up, we knew what he was saying, read the post where I asked him who we'd send, its a silly post.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 11:59 AM |

Yea that post was for brownwood. He seemed to miss that point and I agreed, it seems like a reach to think that any of that would happen. It would be nice but a stretch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

My new thesis is to risk losing all of our draft picks by making competitive offers on other teams' All-Pro RFAs.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

And you know this how? I'm not saying there is or there isn't. I'm not a scout or a personnel guy. And I don't think you are either. All I'm saying is that if Allen/Shanny and our talent people evaluate the eligible players in the draft and they believe a potentially elite prospect at QB is available when we pick, it would be straight tard to not draft that player because you believe the only way to fix this team is to draft olineman.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Read some scouting reports. Clausen does not have elite arm strength therefore Clausen is not an elite prospect. He struggles with out routes(Todd Collins anyone?) and seems to float his deep passes (Matt Leinart?). He is pretty decent within 15 yards though. You don't use the #4 overall pick on a potentially elite prospect. You are either an elite prospect or you are not. Clausen is not. What Shannahan and Allen do has no bearing on this argument. If Shanahan takes Tim Tebow at #4 overall would you try to argue that Tebow is the better prospect?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Everyone talks sbout how Rocky Mc wouldn't fit as an ILB in the 3-4 scheme. If I'm not mistaken dude is like 6-2/6-3 240 lbs,Lawrence Timmons of the Steelers 6-1 232lbs, Bart Scott of the Jets 6'2 240lbs and Patrick Willis of the 49ers 6'1 240lbs. What I'm saying is you don't have to be a monster ILB in the 3-4 scheme to be affective, Rocky Mc is just as athletic and instinctive as any of those guys I've mentioned above. All in all he'll be fine as an ILB in the 3-4 defense, the problem is finding another ILB because I'm not sold on London Flecther. With his age and his size he'll get worn down easy fighting off those pulling Guards trying to make tackles. The good thing is there will be a plethora of LB's available in Free Agency, not many big name guys but guys who are more than serviceable.

Posted by: robbkels | February 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Butler & Jamison to Boston for Jesus Shuttlesworth, Brian Scalabrine, and J.R. Giddens.

I get the whole expiring contract thing and clearing salaries but this is so one sided there is no way the NBA should allow it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 12, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I know the news is old...but can't help my self....

BeantownGreg - Have you started a petition yet on bringing Pierce back to be the othet ILB next to LFB???

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Happy VD to you too animal farm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:48 AM |

You should be sending this note to Ron Mexico. Hope you like the floral bouquet that periculum has picked out for you.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The smart money is not on Shanahan and Allen drafting a QB at #4. Neither has a history of doing so that high. Allen didn't do it in Oakland, Allen didn't do it in Tampa Bay, and Shanahan never did it in Denver. If they find a trading partner and are able to go back to the mid-first round, THEN i think you see them seriously consider drafting a QB (depending on availability).

Posted by: psps23 | February 12, 2010 12:16 PM
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You know Bruce has his Dad's phrase hung on his office wall at the park..
THe Future is Now.
I think he feels impowered to channel his father's legacy and pull off some major, wholesale personnel changes on the Offense.. And at 4-12, no one should slight him for it.
I was too young to remember what happened with George Allen.. But I have read that they called the Redskins, the RAMSkins, after George was done wheeling and dealing.

Bruce (I know you read RI), trade the whole freaken Skins Offense for picks and FA's that belong in the NFL!!! Get rid of our whiny back-up quality starting QB, our lockerroom cancer, Portis, and our Division 2 College OLine.
(but, keep Ganther and Davis).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Wonder who Malcolm was thinking about?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:17 PM

I'll take the guy's comments at face value and figure that the guy he was thinking about was Sam Bradford. My only thought reading those comments was his high praise for Bradford's accuracy, which what everyone says is what Shanahan seeks above every other intangible ... made me think that Bradford would be hoisting a Skins jersey on draft day (unless the Skins pass on him, which means his shoulders are roached ... and that he will slide quite a bit).

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I know the news is old...but can't help my self....

BeantownGreg - Have you started a petition yet on bringing Pierce back to be the othet ILB next to LFB???

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 12:24 PM================
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Just saw a limo at Dulles with the driver standing outside holding a sign saying "Pierce".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

diesel, sorry I disagree, seems pretty even to me, in fact if anything the wizards are making out on this deal....celts are getting ripped off....scal can hit the 3 ball


4th, if you scoll up, you'll see that PFT is saying that a deal with the skins is already in the works...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Read some scouting reports. Clausen does not have elite arm strength therefore Clausen is not an elite prospect. He struggles with out routes(Todd Collins anyone?) and seems to float his deep passes (Matt Leinart?). He is pretty decent within 15 yards though. You don't use the #4 overall pick on a potentially elite prospect. You are either an elite prospect or you are not. Clausen is not. What Shannahan and Allen do has no bearing on this argument. If Shanahan takes Tim Tebow at #4 overall would you try to argue that Tebow is the better prospect?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me if I put about as much stock in those scouting reports as I do in your opinion. Those same scouting reports said Vernon Gholston was an elite player, Robert Gallery was a stud, Tim Couch and David Carr would be Pro Bowlers, Peyton Manning didn't have a good enough arm, and Ryan Leaf was as good or better a prospect as Manning. Come off it, most of the draft is a crap shoot and when you start talking about QBs its even more so. Its very safe to say at best we have a serviceable QB who has been unable to win or even be a consistent difference maker under 3 different coaches/systems all of whom had a pretty good rep for working with QBs. I'm not saying there is an elite QB, but if in their evaluation they believe there is then have to take a shot and draft that guy. This time last year Bradford was the hottest thing since sliced bread and if he had come out he would have been #1 overall. IMO Clausen's Junior year was more impressive than anything Ryan, Stafford, or Sanchez did in college from a yardage/TD to INT perspective especially given the talent he had to work with. Just assuming that neither of them is a potential franchise guy because of some crap you read on the web is pretty silly. I'll trust them to evaluate and make the choice but don't pretend the only logical option is tackle because of some scouting reports.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Happy VD to you too animal farm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:48 AM |

You should be sending this note to Ron Mexico. Hope you like the floral bouquet that periculum has picked out for you.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 12:29 PM

Perineum should really be giving that bouquet to his scorned lover kingpenn but if it comes I guess I'll sign for it *sigh*

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Pierce is a core redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 10:29 AM

4th, not sure whether this = a petition ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

THE WOLFMAN - Opens on Friday nationwide.

Glad someone had the nerve to bring out a beast movie on Cupid's weekend. Can't wait to see Benny chew up the scenery - both figuratively and literally.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Just saw a limo at Dulles with the driver standing outside holding a sign saying "Pierce".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:36 PM

Me too ... so I grabbed a pen and poked a hole in it.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Read some scouting reports. Clausen does not have elite arm strength therefore Clausen is not an elite prospect

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what you're reading but you have it completely backwards. Clausen is going #1 to the Rams. Read this scouting report.

"Jimmy Clausen is unquestionably the top quarterback prospect in this draft. He threw for 28 touchdowns and only four picks on an 8.8 YPA and a 68.0 completion percentage this year. He's superior to Sam Bradford because he has a bigger arm and has spent three years in a West Coast offense. Bradford, on the other hand, is coming out of a shotgun spread offense and just had shoulder surgery. His arm strength is also very questionable."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 12, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

A Curious Couple?

"MistaMoe & BlackBagOps"

That's it?

Just one blogga pair that spews hate at me and mine like a death metal cd played backwards?

Please.

I got a list of Haters that's as long as Bill Clinton's heart is weak.

(sorry for the mixed metaphor)

You can do better than specialEd Ops.

What about all those people in the NAACP who call me a Tom and a sellout?

Or the guys in the KKK who send rotfrau after me once a week?

Then, you got the Man Haters in the Women's Liberation Movement who've convinced mrsmoe that she should keep me barefoot and pregnant.

(which she does)

The PETA folks throw blood on my posts as I've often stated that the only animals I like are the ones you can grill.

That's why I get a pet pig once a month and charcoal the next day.

And finally, the local comedy club's list of comedians thinks most of my posts aren't interesting or funny.

Just like you do right about now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins want to move out of the #4 pick since there will be a plethera (sp?) of players in the 1st 4/5 rounds this year......

If we stay at #4...No way I see them picking Okung....The #4 spot is Bradford's to lose......I see qaulity QBs/LTs in round 2 as well....so whatever any one is saying outside of trading the pick currently is no better than the next person (including moi).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

PA, your entire monotonous rant comes down to one thing. You believe there are no elite QB prospects in this draft. I think its pretty stupid to pretend that your opinion based on some crap you read on the web is guaranteed accurate. IF Shanny/Allen/et. al go through their draft prep and come to that conclusion then obviously the pick will be oline and rightfully so. My point is this, if they believe that either of them are elite prospects then they have to make that pick, because unless you just don't know anything about football you know QB is the most important position on any team. And the chances that we get a shot at the best QB in the draft probably and hopefully won't happen again anytime soon.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather draft a QB in rounds 2 or 4 and have him turnout to be a bust, than draft a QB at #4 overall and have him Ryan Leaf up the joint. Another thing is there really an elite LT prospect in this draft? If you look at mock draft boards one week it's Okung then it Anthony Davis. In years past when there was a elite LT he was the clear cut #1 Tackle in the draft (Jake Long, Joe Thomas).

Is it me or do I see this time next year we're all on here saying how we passed on Bradford or Clausen for a LT. Someone answer this, in the last 10 years name one tackle other than Robert Gallery that was drafted in the 1st round that became a bust? Now how many 1st rd QB's drafted in the last decade actually panned out? When drafting I say go risk to reward.

Posted by: robbkels | February 12, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Please guys, just give it a rest. If you have to keep making excuses for Campbell, just don't post. Go out and watch the sky for awhile. I am sure the clouds are real pink and fluffy on the planet where you live...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 12:16 PM |

2nd this notion......

He has never been sacked more than Zorn or Archie Manning in a season....and they only played 14 games back then (with some 16 game seasons).

And both of those guys are in each's respected 'Ring of Fame'.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Read between the lines... all the positives he says about Bradford...
Good decisions, Accuracy, Leadership in the huddle, etc.. are the shortcomings of JC.. Wonder who Malcolm was thinking about?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 12:17 PM |

Dude was thinking that this was the last stop on the slow train leaving for Seeyahville. If Brad can't gin up some magic for him he is a goner for sure.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins want to move out of the #4 pick since there will be a plethera (sp?) of players in the 1st 4/5 rounds this year......

If we stay at #4...No way I see them picking Okung....The #4 spot is Bradford's to lose......I see qaulity QBs/LTs in round 2 as well....so whatever any one is saying outside of trading the pick currently is no better than the next person (including moi).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

And who trades up for who? And why?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Taking a tackle is the best logical decision. There's no pretending about it.


It's the greater need - Replacing a mediocre QB seems stupid when you really don't even have a left tackle.

The prospect is better - Okung is a much better prospect than Clausen.

The risk is less - Clausen will receiver 50 million guarenteed over 5 years. A left tackle would take at least 10 million less and 1 year less.

You like to point out how often scouts are wrong but fail to leave out how often they are right. You also seem to be confused between the scouts and the GMs. Just because someone got drafted high doesn't mean they scouted well.


Here's an excerpt from a David Carr scouting report:

"Negatives: Semi-sidearm, unusual, three-quarter throwing motion. Has a very low release point, about shoulder level. Will get balls batted down, which could be huge problem, since so many teams use so many three- and five-step drops. Is basically a line-drive passer and might be better off if he put more air under some of his throws. Is not quite as mobile as you would like and is not a super athlete and improviser. Average scambler and is no Donovan McNabb as a runner. Can be inconsistent throwing the ball. Will force some and make some bad reads. Was brought along beautifully by the Fresno State staff and has not faced a lot of adversity, so you cannot be sure how well he can handle it. Did bounce back from the Ohio State disaster in 2000. In Fresno State’s two regular-season losses in ’01, he was in a position to lead John Elway-type comebacks but did not do it.

Summary: Has a chance to become a premier NFL quarterback if his release point does not lead to too many problems and he is brought along and utilized correctly. Could be the type of player you can build a team around if he is developed correctly."

That doesn't sound like he scouted well at all. He was from a small school,folded in big games, and has a weird throwing motion. He sounds like a project. I'd be willing to bet he was just the best prospect in that class. He was just better than Joey Harrington and Pat Ramsey.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 12:47 PM |

MistaMoe = whiny vaginy

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

And who trades up for who? And why?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 12:55 PM

I don't care....as long as we trade down...

This is when you wish we had Vinny on board...The master of trading down....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Please guys, just give it a rest. If you have to keep making excuses for Campbell, just don't post. Go out and watch the sky for awhile. I am sure the clouds are real pink and fluffy on the planet where you live...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 12:16 PM |

2nd this notion......

He has never been sacked more than Zorn or Archie Manning in a season....and they only played 14 games back then (with some 16 game seasons).

And both of those guys are in each's respected 'Ring of Fame'.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 12:51 PM
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The QB has more influence on the outcome of a game than any other player. He's supposed to be the field general and rally his troops to victory. I worry that this Clausen kid is the same thing as Campbell in a slightly different package. His numbers look pretty good, but he can't win. I also question his heart. He doesn't seem like the guy who is going to get fired up and rally the troops. Seems a lot like Campbell to me.

I'd rather have a QB with so-so skills who can lead rather than a blue chip athlete who whispers in the huddle. A QB can't lead by example. He has to be the vocal leader. If a receiver drops a pass, the QB can't go out there and do it the right way as an example. No, he has to push the right buttons with the player to get him to elevate his game. There's more to a guy like Brett Favre than his arm. He's a competitor. He holds his teammates accountable and he knows how to push their buttons to produce. That's why he can still be effective when most players his age are home sitting by a fireplace. That's why Campbell is not an elite QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Summary: Has a chance to become a premier NFL quarterback if his release point does not lead to too many problems and he is brought along and utilized correctly. Could be the type of player you can build a team around if he is developed correctly."

That doesn't sound like he scouted well at all. He was from a small school,folded in big games, and has a weird throwing motion. He sounds like a project. I'd be willing to bet he was just the best prospect in that class. He was just better than Joey Harrington and Pat Ramsey.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 12, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

right cause everyone agrees it was his throwing motion that was the problem.......

and here was Drew Brees':

Negatives... Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun... Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws... Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

GAZING INTO THE CRYSTAL BALL...

I am not convinced that he will come anywhere close to matching his lofty collegiate figures at the pro level.

Boy they sure nailed that one huh? It comes down to Shanny's opinion, stop pretending its anything but that, and I'm fine with that.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 12, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

As much as JC17 has been put through by our beloved Redskins organization, Do you honestly believe he would continue to be a yes man if we drafted a QB with the #4 pick. I don't see it. He will be either let go as a FA, or he stays for one last year while we rebuild the O-line. Either way he has to know he is not part of the future. He very well be here for one year even if we draft a say "Clau-ford" believing yet again all the lies this franchise will continue to feed him. Change of coaching and new GM normally spells the end of the existing QB. If I were JC I would demand my release.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

RSH,

I thot it was the 'clicking' sound of Soup's windup that kept him off the 'l33t' list.

If all it was about were 'heart' Cult or Chase woulda been lightin' it up by now.
They've got Heart in Spades...


...maps... suchas.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has confirmed that Mike Shanahan will be bringing in a QB to challenge last years starter, Jason Campbell. Surprisingly, however the qb he's bringing in will be none other than former Redskins quarterback, Jeff George. Shanny and George have the same agent, and this might be nothing more than one guy trying to help the other guy out. Stay tuned"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, you realize if you pronounce PFT it sounds like you're passing gas, right?

SBD!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Not to enter the political debate, but wouldn't it be refreshing to see both parties focus on nominating qualified candidates to the offices they seek, not just who they think can win the popularity contest that our elections have become.

I'd sleep better at night; no matter who wins the election.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, you realize if you pronounce PFT it sounds like you're passing gas, right?

SBD!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:19 PM |

Hey, forget "sounds", his posts smell like he's passing gas.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

...maps... suchas.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:14 PM |

Dude - where can I get a map that shows me where the treasure is buried?

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe = whiny vaginy"

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm


Add The AnimalFarm to the list of Moe Haters.

And as a favor to Mr. AnimalFarm, I'll sacrifice some steaks on the grill this afternoon before bending over, and porking Mrs. AnimalFarm.

I hear she's a hoe who likes it in the hay.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Follow the blue staahrs & green clooohvers!

...and ...

Beans, beans.. good for ya heart!...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I love the smell of Friday in the morning during the offseason up here. It smells like... victory.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 12, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Old School Moment:

We took the time to revisit A Tribe Called Quest's 'The Low End Theory' and 'Mignight Marauders' this afternoon.

"We Got the Jazz"

"It's Like Butta"

"Problems"

"Award Tour"

"Midnight"

"Sucka N!gga"

"Clap Your Hands"


Talk about boom-bat beats, lyrics, and the tight use of samples to create sound and fury.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

And as a favor to Mr. AnimalFarm, I'll sacrifice some steaks on the grill this afternoon before bending over, and porking Mrs. AnimalFarm.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 1:35 PM |

In your dreams dude. Animals don't like doing it with humans in case you didn't know.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"In your dreams dude. Animals don't like doing it with humans in case you didn't know."

How many hits at the pipe did it take before you figured that out?

It took me just one and a squealing pig.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Moe - name the Bass Player!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I love the smell of Friday in the morning during the offseason up here. It smells like... victory.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 12, 2010 1:42 PM |

Hey, if you like the smell of hydrogen sulfide you should seriously consider moving to wherever beantowngreg1 lives, which if I had to guess, would be Fresno, CA.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll take the guy's comments at face value and figure that the guy he was thinking about was Sam Bradford. My only thought reading those comments was his high praise for Bradford's accuracy, which what everyone says is what Shanahan seeks above every other intangible ... made me think that Bradford would be hoisting a Skins jersey on draft day (unless the Skins pass on him, which means his shoulders are roached ... and that he will slide quite a bit).

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 12:36 PM
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Ideally.. Skins trade down.. to a mid range 1st.. (replace the lost 3rd pick) and Bradford is still on the board (available) due to the shoulder.
Unfortunately, according to a few PT's I know.. 2 separations mean surgery is needed (ligament tightening). My guess he has been told as much..but too much money on the line.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

It took me just one and a squealing pig.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 1:56 PM |

Said he just before Bert put an arrow through his carcass.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Redskins could sign the AFLAC duck to play QB and still be better off than having JC17 bumbling and fumbling the game away.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe - name the Bass Player!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:56 PM |

Offhand I'd say LargeMouth.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Goodell Given New Contract Until March 2015"

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK (AP) -- NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has been given a new five-year contract running until March 2015.

Wow.

I'm glad the owners have their prorities in order.

Faced with labor uncertainity from the rank and file, they make sure Goodell gets his before the players--and fans--get theirs.

If you ask me, I think the owners want some uncapped time followed by a new labor structure.

But again: who's asking?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"...name the Bass Player!!"

For 'The Low End Theory' Ron Carter, jazz bassist.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Redskins could sign the AFLAC duck to play QB and still be better off than having JC17 bumbling and fumbling the game away.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 12, 2010 2:03 PM
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"That statement is totally unfair given the situation I have been put in,...". To loosely quote whiny JC from last month....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Moe, take a look at some of those numbers:

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From PFT (greg, can you please verify?):

In the fiscal year that ended in March 31, 2009, Goodell earned $9.76 million between bonuses and salary. Here are the next highest salaries in the NFL universe.

Steve Bornstein, head of NFL Media and NFL Network: $7.44 million in total compensation.

Jeff Pash, chief labor negotiator and general counsel: $4.85 million.

Eric Grubman, executive VP who oversees marketing and sponsorships: $4.44 million.

Former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, outside consultant: $3.3 million.

Joe Browne, executive VP of communications: $1.7 million

Ray Anderson, executive VP of football operations: $1.12 million.

Anthony Noto, COO: $853,000.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

TheAnimalFarm=League-Source=Talent_Evaluator

If I'm wrong, I'm gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if you like the smell of hydrogen sulfide you should seriously consider moving to wherever beantowngreg1 lives, which if I had to guess, would be Fresno, CA.

I think you mean Bakersfield. Fresno is farming ... Bakersfield is big oil.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

In the fiscal year that ended in March 31, 2009, Goodell earned $9.76 million between bonuses and salary. Here are the next highest salaries in the NFL universe.

Steve Bornstein, head of NFL Media and NFL Network: $7.44 million in total compensation.

Jeff Pash, chief labor negotiator and general counsel: $4.85 million.

Eric Grubman, executive VP who oversees marketing and sponsorships: $4.44 million.

Former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, outside consultant: $3.3 million.

Joe Browne, executive VP of communications: $1.7 million

Ray Anderson, executive VP of football operations: $1.12 million.

Anthony Noto, COO: $853,000.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 12, 2010 2:10 PM
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Ahhhh, the fruits of an anti-trust exemption.

Can such an exemption be retained if you lock the players out in 2011?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417

That's some nice coin.

And they are still paying P Tags.

How does a brotha get a job like this: selling foobtall to a nation that'll slurp it up even if it's not sold to them?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

curz, that doesn't seem right....I can't find that anywhere....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Redskins could sign the AFLAC duck to play QB and still be better off than having JC17 bumbling and fumbling the game away.

Instead they could sing Wang away from the Nats to play QB and put Chung in for Portis. You'd have the Wang Chung Witch Doktor ... as in oooh eeee ooooh ahhh Big Wang wolla wolla Big Wang ..

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Someone answer this, in the last 10 years name one tackle other than Robert Gallery that was drafted in the 1st round that became a bust?
If he were not with the Raiders Cluser F*cked organization would he have been a bust? The same could be true for their 1st round quarterback ... which means he may more worth taking a flier out on than Michael Vick.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

If I were JC I would demand my release.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 12, 2010 1:13 PM

The fact of the matter is that JC can demand his release all he wants, but it won't get him anywhere. The smart move: Tender him a 1-year deal for the minimal ~$1.5M required to garner a reciprocal 'as-picked' draft pick as a RFA, but nothing more.

Additionally, for all you stat-maniacs who love to tout JC's 'improvement' over the years, why not look at the major statistic: his ability to win.

Over the course of his career while behind by one TD or less, JC has racked up 14 TDs and 12 INTs. Last year, in the same situation, 7 TDs to 7 INTs.

Over the course of his career with the game difference being one TD or less (where he needs to lead a comeback or put the nail in the coffin), JC has racked up 30 TDs and 22 INTs. Last year, 12 TDs, 12 INTs.

Finally, and here's the kicker, when behind in the 4th quarter by less than 7 or tied in OT, career 10 TDs and 11 INTs. Last year, 0 TDs & 3 INTs.

Not even including final 'drives' that end in 4 & outs (a la SD week 17) he's barely above .500 in his ability to not lose the game. Bottom line, when it matters, he fails.

Posted by: CecIVC | February 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

ding ding ding ding

bonus points for Moe! Ron Carter played w/ 'Trane!

frekkin' bada$$!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

JC is better off letting Shanahan and Allen find him a new home ... or ...

They draft a QB in the 2nd after the OT in the 1st ... but I still think they could find someone better in the FA market ... Favre is probably going to be available. ~smiles~ Or wait to draft that elusive (as in probably never-to-be-found franchise QB) in next year's draft. After they find an OL, some decent DBs.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The same could be true for their 1st round quarterback ... which means he may more worth taking a flier out on than Michael Vick.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

yea why not take a qb with little talent or work ethic.

Fact is JaMarcus would have been a bust no matter what team he ended up on.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm ... 'pears to me Kiper likes to mention guys (esp OL) that Shannan prefers ... on a fairly regular basis ...sure hope he isn't still connected to the Redskins front office as was the case with Vinny.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Finally, and here's the kicker, when behind in the 4th quarter by less than 7 or tied in OT, career 10 TDs and 11 INTs. Last year, 0 TDs & 3 INTs.

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I think these stats are a little misleading. In Zorn's offense everyone knew where the ball was going. Absolutely no complexity to the offense, so I'd like to see what JC17 does next year with a good offensive mind.

But in my opinion that good offensive mind will start Colt Brennan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 12, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

pretty psyched for the race this weekend, the grand-daddy of them all.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

So sad, but so very true...

======================

And, as each player's name pops up in a newspaper (print, online, or mobile), in a blog, on talk radio, or on a message board, all of those media will start to buzz with Redskins fans debating the merits of the player who is supposed to be D. C. bound.

About a third of them will be wildly in favor of the "pending" move and will Photoshop the player into a Redskins uniform.

Another third will like the move but only if it's at the right price—most in this group will at some point type or say, "OK at vet minimum plus incentives."

The final third will be violently opposed to the player coming on board. These fans will scream and pound the keyboard about the sins of "Snyderatto" even though "atto" is no longer employed by the Redskins.

http://www.csnwashington.com/02/12/10/Redskins-Fans-Beware/landing_redskins.html?blockID=179663&feedID=272

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

RSH,

I thot it was the 'clicking' sound of Soup's windup that kept him off the 'l33t' list.

If all it was about were 'heart' Cult or Chase woulda been lightin' it up by now.
They've got Heart in Spades...

...maps... suchas.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 12, 2010 1:14 PM
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Cult has some heart but I think he's let the bright shiny lights go to his head. He could be a good quarterback but I think he needs a coach riding him in order for him to stay focused. Of course, Zorn wasn't the guy to do that. Maybe someone on Shanahan's staff will, or maybe Cult will just slip off into the unknown. As for Chase, maybe he ends up being a starter for some team down the road. It is interesting that New Orleans picked him up because I see similarities to Brees: short QB's, played in prolific passing offenses in college, maybe take a little while to adjust to playing at the NFL level....

As for the clicking sound of Campbell's windup, you have to draw back really far so you can throw that long hail mary pass... out of bounds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should have included this from the above article as well.


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The trick is that some of those reports will turn out to be true. It's up to Redskins fans to be educated consumers of news and not swallow every rumor hook, line, and sinker.

So get your salt shaker ready as you will need many, many grains of it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

As for the clicking sound of Campbell's windup, you have to draw back really far so you can throw that long hail mary pass... out of bounds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 2:58 PM
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or how about the screen pass at the Giants game, that went into the stands. A pass that was so badly overthrown, the Refs initially thought it was intentional grounding.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This is when you wish we had Vinny on board...The master of trading down....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 1:02 PM

That was only with the Falcons ... and when the choice looking the Skins in the face was an offensive tackle (Sam Baker ... who the Falcons wanted). Prior to the current regime (and we don't know how they'll draft yet), the Vinny/Owner/Gibbs machine had an allergy to offensive linemen, hence the disinterest in Sam Baker (and the interest in three pass catchers ... "if we can't figure out a WR to choose, let's pick three ... one HAS to work out, right?").

I wondered a little bit about where AnimalFarm might have come from, but after reading so many non-football related posts in succession, it wasn't too hard to figure out that one.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

New Strength Coach Hired...

New Post in 3, 2, 1....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Sam BAker is a LT....and during that draft we were not in the market for starting LTs......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

WINTER OLYMPICS WINTER OLYMPICS

It'll be like watching my San Jose Sharks practice -- since they're all over these Olympic rosters

Thorton, Marleau, Heatley, Boyle, Pavelski, Murray, Griess and Nabakov (50! saves + perfect in the shootout win last night over Detroit).

Love Olympic hockey!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

As for the clicking sound of Campbell's windup, you have to draw back really far so you can throw that long hail mary pass... out of bounds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 2:58 PM
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or how about the screen pass at the Giants game, that went into the stands. A pass that was so badly overthrown, the Refs initially thought it was intentional grounding.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 12, 2010 3:04 PM
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He throws some on the money, and his receivers drop way too many passes that are catchable, but when he is off, he is off by a mile...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Good to see that Shanahan has hired a Duke graduate for his strength and conditioning coach. The Redskins deserve the best.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Someone already died at the Winter Olympics....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

New Strength Coach Hired...

New Post in 3, 2, 1....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:21 PM

very clever of you to post that at 3:21

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that while they might have flirted with the idea of hiring Bill Romanowski as their Strength Coach, they have in reality offered a contract to none other than disgraced baseball slugger, Barry Bonds"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

very clever of you to post that at 3:21

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2010 3:30 PM

Very much Coincidence! Time to play some scratch offs...I'm feelin lucky!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse


New Strength Coach Hired...

New Post in 3, 2, 1....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:21 PM

very clever of you to post that at 3:21

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2010 3:30 PM
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Sounds like another good hire with a bit of a Redskins background. I was reading about one of his techniques - muscle confusion - and it makes sense. Let's hope this guy can cut down on all of the hammies and whatnot that the Redskins have been seeing...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sam BAker is a LT....and during that draft we were not in the market for starting LTs......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 3:25 PM

When were the Skins EVER in the market for offensive linemen? Its not like they didn't need a right tackle either? Regardless, Samuels had already been here ten seasons and Jansen for eleven. Its called thinking about something other than an immediate screaming need (in which case, you trade away a second round pick and a sixth round pick for a guy you cut then next year ... who gets re-signed by the team you traded your picks to). With Jansen, there are some people who are naturally double jointed ... some have them forced it upon them. Please, Vinny was not the "master" of trading down. It was put on a plate in front of him by Atlanta who figured he would be dumb enough to take it.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The Bog has some fresh skins stuff.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I was reading about one of his techniques - muscle confusion - and it makes sense. Let's hope this guy can cut down on all of the hammies and whatnot that the Redskins have been seeing...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 3:36 PM

Hammies were a problem of years gone by ... can this guy confuse the right muscles to reduce concussions?

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I finally got around to designing my own version of the skins uniform and put it on the RI wet-paint.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/photo/8970313/Alex35332%27s+Skins+uni

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

hey brownwood - busted throwing arms sometimes heal (example A: this year's superbowl MVP)

on the other hand, busted ability to lead, compete, impose your will, make plays that aren't perfectly scripted - you can't teach that stuff, you either got it as a QB or you don't

Campbell don't. Campbell's game is inconsequential - at least until the other team starts playing prevent. I don't hate the guy. I just think that his game is weak and his temperament is better suited to holding the clipboard. Draft Bradford - as long as his arm ain't busted

Posted by: coparker5 | February 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Really? I couldn't be more wrong? Follow me here. Sarah Palin as the GOP presedential candidate guarantees that they lose to the libbies. No way does Sarah Palin get elected as president unless she's running against Daffy Duck or Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

haha, understood. How could I not think of that before?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

some pretty gruesome pics of the luger who died today on the NY Post....sad...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Draft Bradford - as long as his arm ain't busted

He needs shoulder surgery. And that's the worst kind. Not everyone adjusts as did Sonny Jurgenson (sans surgery) to a bad throwing shoulder. His throwing motion is questionable.

The Redskins do not, I REPEAT DO NOT NEED another Malcolm Kelly, most especially at quarterback!

Next year, draft Locker.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I finally got around to designing my own version of the skins uniform and put it on the RI wet-paint.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/photo/8970313/Alex35332%27s+Skins+uni


Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

cool design, I like it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Draft Bradford - as long as his arm ain't busted

He needs shoulder surgery. And that's the worst kind. Not everyone adjusts as did Sonny Jurgenson (sans surgery) to a bad throwing shoulder. His throwing motion is questionable.

The Redskins do not, I REPEAT DO NOT NEED another Malcolm Kelly, most especially at quarterback!

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 3:50 PM |

I can't F'n believe it! For the first time in the history of RI we are in complete agreement!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins do not, I REPEAT DO NOT NEED another Malcolm Kelly, most especially at quarterback!
Next year, draft Locker.

Posted by: periculum | February 12, 2010 3:50 PM

Why? Malcom Kelly seems to have shaken off that knee injury and started coming along the 2nd half of his 2nd season.

If Bradford ends up the same way....we'd be way ahead of the curve.....

@Sween - (My new thing) Though Vinny got out of the 1st round for more picks (Wr-TE-Wr), there were still 6 other rounds in the draft. That's on him. But we don't have to get a tackle (or QB) in the 1st round. I'm thinking we should go RB if we stay @ #4......

(And it's IRregardles...not regardless)

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Not bad Alex

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"This begs the question about whether or not if Jason Campbell's talent is getting ready to peak or has flattened."

Well, Jason's improved at a reasonably steady pace every season he's been in the League. He has a strong work ethic and is very coachable. So there's no reason to presume he's not going to continue to get better.

The real issue is the type of QB he is. He's a game manager. His goal is to execute the offense as prepared. He's not necessarily comfortable scrambling to make a big play. He doesn't like to make mistakes or take unusual risks. If you put him in the right offense, it's likely he can take a team deep into the playoffs. That offense would be Carolina or maybe San Diego. It looked for a while like it would be Washington in Zorn's first season. That didn't pan out.

Campbell's been just what he was drafted to be. Problem is, the team has changed around him. Now here we are changing again. Will that favor Campbell? We'll have to wait and see.

But really, if it were entirely up to him, do you think he'd choose to spend another year in Washington?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 12, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Redskins hire new strength coach
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/12/redskins-hire-a-strength-and-conditioning-coach/#continued

and the dolphins just released joey porter. I know he's a donkey, but if we're going to a 3-4 he would be a sick addition.

Posted by: BostonWarPath | February 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

(And it's IRregardles...not regardless)

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 4:02 PM |

Actually its irregardlesS

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

some pretty gruesome pics of the luger who died today on the NY Post....sad...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

yeah, checked those out. Pretty troubling.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we're becoming the Texans East Coast.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

DISregardless,* Mr. 4th, I agree that Skins should get a RB (before they get a QB), but the higher priority must be to replace Samuels and the empty void at right guard. I'm fine with free agency (even restricted free agency) to do that, but it must be done. I'm OK with Bradford or Clausen if that's who they guys who get paid to do this want to get ... frankly, I'm OK if they take Eric Berry (we need a free safety too). In a perfect world, where Suh or McCoy slid to the #4 spot, I would get over those picks too (but I do think those guys might have more value to other teams than they would to the Skins). My only butt pain is that the Skins MUST address AT LEAST LT and RG with guys at least penciled in to start by the time the draft is over.

*You know that irregardless is a b@st@rdization of regardless and irrespective and were just messing with me, right?

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

some pretty gruesome pics of the luger who died today on the NY Post....sad...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 12, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

yeah, checked those out. Pretty troubling.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 12, 2010 4:08 PM

Who was the smart guy to put freakin STEEL POLES right there?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

as some astute observers have pointed out, its more important that the #4 pick succeed than he become a great player. The real killer is to get a #4 pick, pay the $$$ and have a bust.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we're becoming the Texans East Coast.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 4:09 PM

The head coach and ass't head coach/running backs of the Washington Broncos agree to disagree.

Posted by: dcsween | February 12, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we're becoming the Texans East Coast.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

We're also getting the 2nd generation of Redskin's past, Wright is a disciple of Dan Riley(part of Gibbs 1.0 success) and of course Bruce Allen. Mixture of old school and new

Posted by: BostonWarPath | February 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

looking at the injury list for the Texans from last season not sure if this is an improvment..

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/injuries/HOU

VS DC's

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/injuries/WAS

Posted by: alex35332 | February 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

**Correct...

@scampbell1975 - The Texans would have been in the playoffs now if it weren't for the Texans and Colts...more specifically the Colts, who have ruled the NFC South for almost a decade now. I like. Now if we could just bring over Andre Johnson....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I was reading about one of his techniques - muscle confusion - and it makes sense. Let's hope this guy can cut down on all of the hammies and whatnot that the Redskins have been seeing...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 12, 2010 3:36 PM

Yeah, it's pretty cool, I've been using this in my own workouts. It's a structured way of switching up routines so your muscles never get accustomed to your workout--have become permasore. Effective. He also apparently specializes in muscle isolation, watch out hammies!

For you workout geeks:

http://www.scielo.oces.mctes.pt/pdf/mot/v5n3/v5n3a02.pdf

"The Undulating (Non-Linear) Model enables variation in intensity and volume within each 7-10 day cycle by rotating different protocols to train various components of the neuromuscular system (e.g. strength, power, local muscular endurance)."

Posted by: RomoShortball | February 12, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins signed a kicker to compete with Gano as well today.

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/12/redskins-sign-a-kicker-as-well/#continued

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander already has a Berkeley degree, too. Roll on you Bears...

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | February 12, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"Someone answer this, in the last 10 years name one tackle other than Robert Gallery that was drafted in the 1st round that became a bust?"

Two of them were on our roster last year...BMW & Levi.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 12, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I read that Jason Smith (?) OT from last year's draft flamed out pretty bad for the Rams. Don't know if its true or not.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 15, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

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