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All but three present for practice (updated)

All except for Chris Cooley, H.B. Blades and Byron Westbrook were present when the first practice after the bye week began at 1 p.m., according to tweets by Rick Maese.

All three were casualties of the Monday night loss to the Philadelphia Eagles. Cooley broke a bone in his lower leg and underwent surgery Wednesday; Blades and Westbrook have knee injuries.

Maese elaborates from Coach Jim Zorn's comments via twitter:

Blades and Westbrook both suffered meniscus tears and underwent arthroscopic surgery last Tuesday. They could be ready for the game against Denver on Nov. 15.

Of Stephon Heyer, Zorn said: "He's actually improving. ... He's still gimping a little bit. ... It'll get better as the week goes on."

By Cindy Boren  |  November 2, 2009; 1:27 PM ET
 
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1st to say we go 7-2.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean our top flight 3rd round pick that is below an undrafted FA on the roster, will actually suit up. Hope he turns out better than Rhino but since Vinny made the pick my hopes aren't to high.

Posted by: forever8-8 | November 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

He's got that one bullet over the middle that he nails ok if the receiver is pretty much open.

And he can run for up to 12 yards fairly fast.

Oh and he can see the field. Too bad he can't process the data in a reasonable amount of time!

That's about it. eegh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Line at 11.5 for ATL.

That's big for the NFL - congrats. Skins, you have lost even Vegas' respect.

Posted by: gdennie | November 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and take a break. I've spent the bye week doing some in-depth analysis and suprisingly the Skins are not as terrible as one might assume from watching them play.
All they need on offense is a new QB, a running back, a center, a guard, two tackles, and three receivers. No big deal.
On D, two LB's, two CB's, and a free safety. I'd settle for one LB, one CB, and a free safety.

See? It's not nearly as bad as you thought, am I right?

Posted by: RedskinWillie | November 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"This says that Okung is a solid pass blocker, not so much for pulling and trapping (which apparently they don't do so much at his school out there)."


Let me get this straight.

Folks are advocating the redskins draft a player they haven't seen play?

You have to be kidding me.

Okung is an elite power run blocker and exceptional pass blocker.

I've seen three Oklahoma State games where he's dominated whatever defensive end/tackle lined up over him.

He's Michael Oher with Phil Loadholdt's girth. He'd make a great starting right tackle in the NFL.

Dez Bryant is another NFL player on the Cowboys team along with Okung.

Catch some of these college guys--even if it's just a quarter or two-- before demanding bloggas agree they be drafted.

Please.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Line at 11.5 for ATL.

That's big for the NFL - congrats. Skins, you have lost even Vegas' respect.

Posted by: gdennie | November 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't mean they think ATL is 11pts better, just that they'll get equal action on both sides of that line.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe you got me thinking about having Spiller or Best in Burgundy and Gold next year earlier today. Now you're waxing poetic about Okung. What up with that?

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

drafting anything other than OL, will result in similar results as what we've seen the past 4 years....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

There are going to be a handfull of OT's available with the top ten pick we'll have in 2010. Hopefully a new GM has the brains to take the best available TACKLE with the 7th pick in the draft...

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-11-01/story/more_shuffling_doesn%E2%80%99t_help_jaguars_offensive_line

Top 6 pick Eugene Monroe was pulled from the starting lineup yesterday.

Proof to show you can still draft high and miss with the OLine. My adage would be get the best one irregardless of how we got them....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

If the season ended today, we'd be picking 8th.

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

1st to say we go 7-2.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:33 PM

On a Coffee Flats League note...nice job going 1-8 yesterday. Booked!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Sedrick Ellis expected to miss 4-6 weeks
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 2, 2009 1:51 PM ET
For a top-ten pick in the 2008 draft, Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis has operated under the radar. That's just what happens to interior linemen.

Folks may start to understand Ellis' value more now that he's out for the next 4-6 weeks, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Ellis had been enjoying a strong second season and is probably the key to New Orleans' improved rush defense.

Ellis has a sprained MCL, but should recover without surgery. Anthony Hargrove will fill-in for him; look for the Falcons to test New Orleans' rush defense on Monday night

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

When do we play them?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

BG I agree. However to me Okung is the only top 10 elite OT I have seen this year. But what do I know. IMO if Okung is there for the taking I would like them to draft him. If he isn't, then I would be open to a RB like Spiller or Best, a player who can score from anywhere on the field w/o having to rely on the QB's play. The skins would then have to draft an OT in the second round. That would still be a good player.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Make-a-Wish: Elite Left Tackle

I am of the opinion that Danny-Cerrato select Tebow, because NFL teams do not need pass protection, they need to sell jerseys & lure potential fans to their withering fan base.

I do not endorse this, of course. But I think Danny and Vinny do.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | November 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-11-01/story/more_shuffling_doesn%E2%80%99t_help_jaguars_offensive_line

Top 6 pick Eugene Monroe was pulled from the starting lineup yesterday.

Proof to show you can still draft high and miss with the OLine. My adage would be get the best one irregardless of how we got them....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse


Well, lets just take our chances and draft another safety. Maybe Mays or Berry will still be there?

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

ttp://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-11-01/story/more_shuffling_doesn%E2%80%99t_help_jaguars_offensive_line

Top 6 pick Eugene Monroe was pulled from the starting lineup yesterday.

Proof to show you can still draft high and miss with the OLine. My adage would be get the best one irregardless of how we got them....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse


See Andre Smith from the Bungles. He's listed as the third tackle on the depth chart. Buyer beware.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

On a Coffee Flats League note...nice job going 1-8 yesterday. Booked!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 2, 2009 1:58 PM

Won 2 games. Not a good job. But only one person wins it all. So, if you don't win....Congrats back at ya!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

allthatskins, how much did the team make from jersey sales last year??

how much could they expect to make from jersey sales from the sale of Tebow's jersey?

How does this compare to the revenue they'd make from say a home playoff game??

Thanks for posting galactically stupid things......always good for a laugh.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

No drafting of a QB this coming year. Let Collins or someone else caretake the position while we built an O line. Draft a QB in 2011.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith has nice t*ts...leave him out of this!

With that being said, he missed all of camp and this year is essentially a redshirt for him. He had a ton of red flags pre-draft to begin with.

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I must admit that it was nice to get away from the Redskins for the bye week –- because our Mondays have been overwhelmingly gloomy and depressing ever since the start of football season.

It's unfortunate that the team didn't use their time more productively -- to do such things as install a few new plays, work out a few offensive linemen, pick up a free agent quarterback, or anything else that might have improved their competitive position. It appears that all they've done is sign another fullback -- yet another brilliant idea by Yo Vinny, the dumb SOB!

So as bad as some might think the first part of the season has been, we can only expect it to be even worse in the weeks ahead. Not that anyone at Redskin Park appears to get a damn about any of that.

The one bit of news that did come out during the bye week was the naming of Snyder's head lawyer David Donovan as the chief operating officer for the team

So in essence, the Redskins have basically promoted the guy who brought you the embarrassment of suing little old widows –- the prohibition on signs and critically worded tee shirts at the stadium –- and who knows what besides?

So all in all, Redskin fans can continue to expect not only more of the same -- but even worse!

Posted by: Vic1 | November 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

twisi

I'm just educating the masses is all.

You got dudes in this blog celebrating cats they've never seen play.

I want Spiller as well.

I think one of the major issues with the redskins' offense outside of o-line issues is the lack of speed/versitility out of the backfield.

Could Portis make the long breakaway runs Chris Johnson made yesterday for the titans?

No and hell no.

But if you get a chance to check out Okung, he's a monster power blocker who'd look nice lining in burgandy and gold.

We'd make out with which ever player we took.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Devo2 | November 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll tell you what. You guys go ahead and name as many offensive tackle busts as you can and we'll start naming QB busts. We'll see who can name more. Then to make it even more fun we'll discuss the costs of their contracts and the fact that a busted offensive tackle can be moved inside to guard and still have a great career while a busted QB cripples a franchise for years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else waiting to read that after a “spirited” practice (1st after the bye week), Coach Zorn is giving the players the day off tomorrow, and then on Wednesday they will begin putting in the gameplan for the Falcons…….?

This team is too soft!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Fred Davis will replace Cooley. Rookies Robert Henson and Kevin Barnes may be activated for the first time in place of Blades and Westbrook.

Left tackle Stephon Heyer is on the field but is moving slowly with his left knee, injured against the Eagles, wrapped pretty heavily. If Heyer isn't ready on Sunday, Levi Jones could make his first Redskins start.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Devo2 | November 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll tell you what. You guys go ahead and name as many offensive tackle busts as you can and we'll start naming QB busts. We'll see who can name more. Then to make it even more fun we'll discuss the costs of their contracts and the fact that a busted offensive tackle can be moved inside to guard and still have a great career while a busted QB cripples a franchise for years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse


My point was not to promote drafting a QB or any position outside of O-line. It was to show that not all Offensive Tackles taken in the top 15 are guaranteed starters and pro bowlers. However, there were lots of people here last spring that were high on A. Smith.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Blades and Westbrook have knee injuries.

Uh Jason, according to reports they both had knee SURGERIES during the bye. That's a pretty good reason not to practice don't you think?

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Left tackle Stephon Heyer is on the field but is moving slowly with his left knee, injured against the Eagles, wrapped pretty heavily. If Heyer isn't ready on Sunday, Levi Jones could make his first Redskins start.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 2:13 PM

Why is Heyer at LT still an option?

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Tebow will be gone by then (unless injured between now and April).

Too bad Vinny wont trade our First pick for two lower 1sts, like Bethard did in 81 to get May and Grimm in the same draft.
But he will trade for whoever Danny tells him to.. And it will be the player that Snyder Communications has determined to have the most potential to sell merchandise.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If the season ended today, we'd be picking 8th.

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 2, 2009 1:58 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

PA:

QB's are more risky, definitely. Of course there is always risk at any position.

With our organization and its zeal for buidling outside-in, we are perfect for taking a potentially decent QB and ruining him by making him a human bullseye for several years.

So, I'd say QB's are even riskier when we draft them.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Proof to show you can still draft high and miss with the OLine. My adage would be get the best one irregardless of how we got them ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:55

Nevertheless, still considered the SAFEST bet when using high draft picks by most every expert.

He may be pulled now ... but will he be back? Even Robert Gallery (too often used as an example) starts on Oakland's offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If the season ended today, whats Jason Campbell worth, right now, as a Restricted Free Agent?
He may end up with the Skins in 2010... arrghh!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

beantown,

I call it like I see it. I know nothing of the revenue generated by the team's jersey sells. It's arbitrary anyway.

But to understand Daniel Synder is to become the squirrel that forgets to hide his nutts before winter.

Drafting Tebo doesn't make sense.... but it doesn't have to, because it makes cents.

Personally, I own a sean taylor 21 pro-bowl, a home-cooley, an away Landry, and a IDK-what-I-Was-Thinking DT #11 jersey.

Do you own any jerseys, beantown?

Posted by: AllThatSkins | November 2, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

From Dan Daly....2nd Half of his article:

.........

But then, this isn't the first time Snyder has displayed a curious interpretation of the First Amendment. In his early days as an owner, he cut back on the number of press box seats allotted to this newspaper because he felt it was being too critical of him. Back then, a lot of fans were excited by Dan because he was young and brash and threw money around like he was playing Monopoly. Over time, though, Redskins Nation came to see what we at The Washington Times saw right away - that youth, brashness and profligacy don't get you to the Super Bowl.

Freedom of the press is such a frightening concept to Snyder that he felt the need to buy a string of radio stations. This, he figured, would enable him to get the club's "message" out unfiltered. Then there's RedskinsTV and Redskins.com - all part of his propaganda machine. The thing is, much of the streaming video on the Web site is just footage of the media - the dreaded media - interviewing players and staff. (Still, it gives me a warm feeling to know I help provide Dan with programming.)

More recently, Snyder has been warring with The Washington Post, perhaps his biggest booster in the beginning. He took hundreds of season tickets away from the paper a while back, claiming it wasn't fair that a single entity hogged so many seats when so many fans were stuck on the waiting list. Later, in a lovely bit of irony, the Post broke a story about the team funneling tickets to ticket agencies - and it was discovered that one agency got more tickets than the Post ever did.

Snyder, of course, was said to be "livid" when he found out about it. What isn't clear, because he almost never speaks publicly anymore, is whether he was "livid" that his ticket office would operate that way or "livid" that somebody found out about it.

With Snyder, there always has to be a Them, it seems - as in "Us vs." It's what drives him, keeps his juices percolating. When he was high school, Them might been the cool kids who cruised by him in the hallway without so much as a nod. After he dropped out of college, Them might have been the venture capitalists who didn't share his vision, wouldn't front him money for his business brainstorms. Once he got Snyder Communications going, Them was his competition in the kill-or-get-taken-over marketing field. And since he bought the Redskins, Them has been the Cowboys, the Giants, the Eagles and the media (the unofficial fifth member of his Personal NFC East).

But now Dan appears preoccupied with a different Them: the fans. He's taken legal action against some who, in these tough financial times, couldn't afford to pay for the premium seats they had contracted for. And this season he invented some ridiculous pretense (spectator safety?) for banning signs from FedEx Field, an all-too-transparent attempt to quash customer complaints.

.................

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/29/dan-daly-a-sign-of-the-times/

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

He may be pulled now ... but will he be back? Even Robert Gallery (too often used as an example) starts on Oakland's offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The thing they aren't telling you is that he lost 14 pounds due to the flu and up until that point he played really well. They benched him after he played terrible in his first game back from the flu. before he got sick he effectively handled Mario Williams, Dwight Freeny, and Bertrand Berry. After he got sick he got lit up by Darryl Tapp. I'm pretty sure he's going to be alright.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I want Spiller as well.

And if there's NO BLOCKING? He probably gets hurt and ends up on the IR! Just as is feared with Campbell. Honestly, I'm surprised Campbell has made it this far. Its a tribute to his athleticism.

Guys like Spiller come along every year. Portis does have 78 yard, and 66 yard runs to his credit this year. He at least appears to be putting a bit more effort out to win games this year in spite of his narcissism.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Left tackle Stephon Heyer is on the field but is moving slowly with his left knee..."

An Open Letter to John Abraham:

Mr. Heyer will play hurt which means his healthy poor performance will only be as poor because of his lack of health, not talent.

Mr. Abraham, don't abuse poor Stephon.

I know you're sitting there in the Falcon video room laughing at the thought of an injured third-tier left tackle lining up before you, but hey--do the world a favor and chill Sunday.

And when you see the number 17, go lightly in his direction as he's been on his back more than a drunken sorority sister imitating a turtle.

signed,

Jason Campbell, BFF (if you'd like to be)

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Best is the best back I've seen play in college this year. I don't know where he'd fall in the draft pecking order though. What I like about him is that he's very agile and has great vision to go along with his speed.

One of the problem's with Portis is that he runs into a pile instead of the open field to the left or right of it.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

ats, so help me out with this, so you attempt to make the connection between Dan Snyder wanting to just sell jersey's, then you proceed to list off the 4 jersey's that you own?? I'm confused.

Yeah, I own a #56 Lavar jersey that was a Christmas gift to me.

Total number of sports jersey's that I've purchased = 0

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with the Browns is a perfect foil for what is going on with the Redskins. I can't imagine Comrade Snyder ever doing anything like this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4616312

Or if he did, I would assume it is an ambush like the way Longshanks double-crossed Wallace's dad in Braveheart.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If Heyer is that hurt, why didn't they sign another tackle? These guys may actually be trying to get Campbell injured, down and out!! Makes him less valuable on the open market ... thus its less likely to seem like ol' Danny is a big friggin' idiot if Campbell went to a good team and did well. He really is bad if not worst than Al Davis (remembering what Davis did to a certain great running back named Marcus Allen.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Hit refresh...this post is updated.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 2, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's helpful to look at where the Skins are running the ball. In the first games, they ran around left tackle 20% of the time, higher than average, but we all know why that was. That's going to have to change, of course. They ran up the middle/off guard some 33% of the time, which is quite a bit lower than the league average.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 2, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AllThatSkins | November 2, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure that winning sells better than a few big name players.

Dan wants to win more than anything, I just don't think he has figured out just yet.

I seriously doubt jersey sale numbers cross Dan/Vinny's mind when evaluating talent.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

ttp://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-11-01/story/more_shuffling_doesn%E2%80%99t_help_jaguars_offensive_line

Top 6 pick Eugene Monroe was pulled from the starting lineup yesterday.

Proof to show you can still draft high and miss with the OLine. My adage would be get the best one irregardless of how we got them....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse


See Andre Smith from the Bungles. He's listed as the third tackle on the depth chart. Buyer beware.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for setting us nincompoops straight.

You guys are right. We shouldn't draft Oline-men.

What were we thinking? Vinny's clearly a genius, and we should just roll with BMW, Heyer and any other UFA/castoff we can find.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

As soon as Heyer is healthy again I hope they go Jones at LT, Heyer at RT, and BMW at RG. IMO BMW actually may end up being a RG answer for a couple years. Our problems are on the edges. I pray they do the sane thing and take Okung or Trent Williams. That pick and a signing of two FA tackles and we're not far from decent.

My fixing plan:

Fire Vinny, Zorn.

Hire: Casserly and Grimm

Cut:
Collins
Smoot
ARE
Betts
Rock
Griff (Gholston, Alexander, and Monty plenty capable next to Haynesworth)

Re-sign:
Rogers
Allow Campbell to look for greener pastures

Retire:
Samuels
Thomas
Daniels
Wynn

Sign two legit veteran tackles this offseason, not biggest name pro bowler blah blah but guys just like the Seattle tackle they failed to sign this year.
Sign Sage Rosenfels to reasonable deal
Sign a real SLB
Sign a true FS

Move:
Landry to SS
Orakpo to full-time DE with Carter and Jarmon backing them up
BMW to RG to compete with the drafted guard, and Rhino

Draft:
1st Okung or Williams
Trade a 2011 1st to get into the high second round and draft a young QB in one of the richest QB drafts ever
2nd Best Young Running Back on the board
4th Guard
6th Center
7th Best available talent

Make it an open competition for Colt, Sage, and the drafted QB for the starting spot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Of Stephon Heyer, Zorn said: "He's actually improving. ... He's still gimping a little bit. ... It'll get better as the week goes on."


I ask again why is he even in the discussion for starting this week. It's been two weeks since Levi got here. Plug him in. He's a vet, he should be able to pick things up by now. It's plain as day that Heyer is nothing but a backup at RT only in this league.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Catch some of these college guys before demanding bloggas agree they be drafted.

Please.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 1:39 PM

MoeTown, not sure if you were referring specifically to me, but I wasn't demanding anything either way ... just posting something I found ... from the first time I actually tried to find out something about the guy who lots of people up here see as the second coming for Brandon Albert. Personally, I'm kind of in a Week Nine mode (which means, with small kids and a wife that keeps me on a short leash, not a lot of time to watch college ball, esp. for OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!).

4th Floor, I think the phrase you're looking for is "season starts this week in Atlanta!" Shots!

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Line at 11.5 for ATL.

That's big for the NFL - congrats. Skins, you have lost even Vegas' respect.

Posted by: gdennie | November 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't mean they think ATL is 11pts better, just that they'll get equal action on both sides of that line.

This line is for ATL/NO TONIGHT... Be hard to have a line for Sunday with ATL still needing to play. What if their whole starting line up got injured? Line would have to move to at least

-10 for the Falcons...

Posted by: Club320 | November 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Finally a week without a lost.
Can we make it 2?
Nope

Posted by: jmy999 | November 2, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

zJack, AGAIN I like the way you think ... but because next year is looking to be an capped year (meaning dead cap space is not a concern), I say they should prepare to cough up some picks to sign away some other teams' RFA offensive linemen ... if there IS an uncapped year, both Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell remain RFA ... restricted free agency extends automatically if there isn't a new CBA by March 2010.

Specifically, I'd want some young (3-6 years) offensive linemen from among the teams clicking on offense ... Saints, Vikings, Falcons, Jets, such as

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Also, bits to remember about Andre Smith being third on the depth chart and Eugene Monroe losing his starting spot. Andre Smith hurt his ankle very badly recently and Eugene Monroe was the second longest camp holdout (longest holdout was Crabtree ... Crabtree says 'camp, schmamp').

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

beantown,

I am a fan, I will buy & wear jerseys. I like to represent my team, even if they are ran by a dictator or they lose every game.

Like you said earlier, jersey sells are a moot point. Give me a home playoff game and that'll make some money.

Just saying that it wouldn't surprise to see the Tebow scenario transpire. The only connection I am making is that Tebow has a lot of fanatics and Dan Synder likes high profile players.

Oh yeah, you need a new jersey!!!

portispockets,

I never said Dan doesn't want to win. He just has this idea that you can throw money around and winning will just happen.

Throws money around to make sure fans are not capable of showing their frustrations, by wearing bags on their heads, or proclaiming that they are indeed tired of that FO, or enjoying some pre-game tailgating.


Posted by: AllThatSkins | November 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Sign Sage Rosenfels to reasonable deal..."

Given Brett Favre's finicky nature and Tavaris Jackson's lack of accuracy, do you think the Vikes will let him leave?

Don't think so.

I was a major Sage Rosenfels fan and hated the team let him go. He would've grown into the kind of caretaker quarterback Campbell should've become but is not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

No offense Jason,

But until Ceratto is fired and a GM who knows what he is doing is hired it really doesn't matter what you blog anymore.

I personally just don't have the patience for this organization and the clown like way it's run anymore.

You could say "Zorn now has the ability to lay golden eggs at will." and I could honestly care less.

The Redskins will not win another game all year and we will have to endure Zorn trying to convince us that they are "getting better" and Ceratto basically holding his middle finger up to the media and fans in dispute of his non knowledge of football.

The organization is a joke and until something drastic happens it just doesn't matter anymore.

You should ask to cover another team, like the Wiz or Caps. At least they finally got it right on both accounts and know how to win now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced Dan wants to win. I think Dan wants to win HIS WAY. That's different.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hire: Casserly and Grimm

Draft:
1st Okung or Williams

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 2, 2009 2:34 PM |

Does Casserly draft OL that high? I don't know if he was here when Samuels got drafted. Also, he was the GM of the Texans when they had a notoriously poor OL and I can't think of any OL picks from Casserly in the first round. I could be wrong because I'm only working off of memory, but if I'm right, I wouldn't expect his philosophy to change.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Best is the best back I've seen play in college this year. I don't know where he'd fall in the draft pecking order though. What I like about him is that he's very agile and has great vision to go along with his speed.

One of the problem's with Portis is that he runs into a pile instead of the open field to the left or right of it.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Best may actually be the first one off the board. I've been watching a lot of Evan Royster. That guy has great vision too. He has a crappy offensive line too but he has great vision and has been breaking tackles his whole career. I think he is going to be a great NFL back. Portis used to have great vision but this year it seems his vision gets really cloudy without a lead blocker. I really think he's just afraid to take open field hits. He doesn't have anywhere near the intensity he had as recent as last year. I honestly feel that he's playing not to get hurt. Anyway, back on the subject of college running backs. I think Spiller is a great fit for a west coast offense. He has very good hands and can run good pass routes. Dwyer is fun to watch. He intiates contact. I love running backs that do that. Outside of those 4 backs I don't see any worth taking in the first round. Blount, Coker, and possibly Noel Devine could be great late round pickups.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Sage Rosenfels?! We're talkin' Sage Rosenfels?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Trade a 2011 1st to get into the high second round and draft a young QB in one of the richest QB drafts ever [zjfr2]

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Uhhh... didn't stupid mortgage-the-future moves like that get the Skins into this mess?

This team is NOT one player away. Not 2, or 3, or 4. This offense needs a total rebuild from the ground up. Don't even think of trading future picks. This team will likely have a BETTER draft pick in 2011 than 2010.

Rewrite your plan -- but this time, try building a 3 year plan. If we want to be a competitive, playoff team in 3 years, what would you do?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

1st to say we go 7-2.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Assuming you mean we will lose to the Falcons by a score of 7-2, I agree. It would be fun to see us get a safety.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Casserly picked an OL first from Jacksonville in the re-allocation draft; whatever they have when there is an expansion team.

Can't remember his name, but he was a high profile guy, who got hurt before he played a a game with the Texans.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

PAskins,

He won't be in this draft, but the Redskins should look at Stefon Green out of Penn State if they can't land Spiller or Best.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Tony Boselli

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Casserly picked an OL first from Jacksonville in the re-allocation draft; whatever they have when there is an expansion team.

Can't remember his name, but he was a high profile guy, who got hurt before he played a a game with the Texans.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 2, 2009 3:00 PM |

Yeah that's right. I was really thinking about the college draft. I don't recall one.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Assuming they Redskins should trade down if they have a top 8 pick. They need to maximize the QUANTITY of picks they have in the first three rounds. They just have too many holes to take an elite draft pick. Would rather have a B+ left tackle late in the first rounds and maybe four picks in the second and third rounds than an A+ left tackle and only two picks in the second and third round. Does that make sense?

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

As soon as Heyer is healthy again I hope they go Jones at LT, Heyer at RT, and BMW at RG. IMO BMW actually may end up being a RG answer for a couple years. Our problems are on the edges. I pray they do the sane thing and take Okung or Trent Williams. That pick and a signing of two FA tackles and we're not far from decent.

My fixing plan:

Fire Vinny, Zorn.

Hire: Casserly and Grimm


I'm down with your plan...but don't trade the future pick for a lower pick this year...we can survive for a year on a journeymen. I think someone mentioned Sage...but it doesn't matter who because we won't be attending the playoffs next year either.

Posted by: nettek67 | November 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh... didn't stupid mortgage-the-future moves like that get the Skins into this mess?

This team is NOT one player away. Not 2, or 3, or 4. This offense needs a total rebuild from the ground up. Don't even think of trading future picks. This team will likely have a BETTER draft pick in 2011 than 2010.

Rewrite your plan -- but this time, try building a 3 year plan. If we want to be a competitive, playoff team in 3 years, what would you do?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

We are about 5 players from being a good football team. Those players are a LT, a RG, a RT, a legit backup at T, and QB. You can be even more negative than me if you want, but I think with a good oline we'd be a 9 or 10 win team even with Campbell at QB. If like I said in my scenario you are able to bring in a stud young LT tackle along with two other legit tackles and a young RB I have no problem trading a 2011 pick to get in the high second for a QB this year. There are going to be QBs going in the second this year that would be high firsts any other year. when the list is Locker, Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, Clausen, Keenum, Snead, and Zac Robinson if ever there was a year to do what it takes to get into the late first or high second to get a QB this is the year.


And Casserly engineered the trade with New Orleans, still got Bailey, and drafted Lavar and Samuels the next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

My modification of the zJack fixing plan:

Fire Vinny

Keep Zorn ... as head coach ... and QB coach.

Hire a GM: Someone in a current front office somewhere that gets it and has reformed a tragically underperforming roster recently (Jets? Miami? Denver? Atlanta?) or promote Marocco Brown. NOT Casserly or other "once was" candidates.

Hire a defensive coordinator who is willing to attack rather than defend.

Hire an offensive coordinator to call plays.

Release:
Collins (I think contract is just about done anyway)
ARE
Portis
Rock
Griffin

Tender high offer, prepare to release:
Rogers
Campbell (offer assuming #2 QB spot)

Retire:
Samuels, Thomas, Daniels, Wynn (I think Griffin also is probably in this category)

Offer in trade for whatever in decent value exchange:
Chris Horton
Devin Thomas
Chad Rinehart

Free agency additions, including RFA:
Two of these three large offensive lineman (RT, LT, RG) and either SLB or FS (esp., O.J. Atogwe)

Draft from among the top six QBs (minus anyone with a knee surgery or shorter than 6'2")

Draft RB who can catch and return either kicks or punts (rely on Betts or free agency replacement RB for the other two of a true RB tandem)

Rosenfels? Fine, if he's available

Try to end up with three picks in the first three rounds for the RB, the other of the LARGE offensive linemen not picked up in free agency, and either the SLB or FS that they can't get in free agency.

Roster adjust:
Landry to SS
Doughty as #3 safety
Orakpo and Carter get most snaps at DE, Jarmon in the DE-DT rotation with Alexander
Offensive line depth with BMW, Levi Jones, Heyer, Montgomery, and journeyman center/guard (who can long snap eventually)

Draft: see above and hope for the best

Prepare for new offensive line coach vacancy-to-be ... prepare for the end of Santana Moss' career ... get aggressive with either guys or picks with the trade offer guys above.

Get a real HDTV scoreboard.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Problem with Zorn is he is an ex-NFL player. So, he coddles their egos as he would of wanted his own to be treated, as a player.

As much as I dislike Belichick, this is one of his strengths. As a "never played pro ball" Head Coach, he is purely objective and calculating when making personnel moves. His best players each week move up and poor performance players move down to the bench. Its why the Pats seem to uncover so many talented low rounders. Belichick would of cut Heyer after the 07 season, given Heyer's matador performance of directing Patrick Kearney (Seattles DT) unabated to Todd Collins in the 07 playoffs. Believe Kearney broke the playoff sack record.

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Of Stephon Heyer, Zorn said: "He's actually improving. ... He's still gimping a little bit. ... It'll get better as the week goes on."


I ask again why is he even in the discussion for starting this week. It's been two weeks since Levi got here. Plug him in. He's a vet, he should be able to pick things up by now. It's plain as day that Heyer is nothing but a backup at RT only in this league.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 2:37 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 2, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Assuming they Redskins should trade down if they have a top 8 pick. They need to maximize the QUANTITY of picks they have in the first three rounds. They just have too many holes to take an elite draft pick. Would rather have a B+ left tackle late in the first rounds and maybe four picks in the second and third rounds than an A+ left tackle and only two picks in the second and third round. Does that make sense?

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

See, I'd rather have the quality. I'd rather rebuild over 2 drafts and do it right then to half a55 it in one draft just to be 8-8 for a couple more years. Let's suck it up for a couple of years and then really make a run.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I think JC has a lot of potential at McDonald's.

Posted by: opita1 | November 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

And Casserly engineered the trade with New Orleans, still got Bailey, and drafted Lavar and Samuels the next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 2, 2009 3:11 PM

So he was here for that draft. I wasn't sure.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Beep. Finally a sensible move.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Redskins are willing to package all their 2010 draft picks plus JC for a conditional reject but only one team is willing to give a conditional reject if the redskins takes Campbell off the deal.

Posted by: opita1 | November 2, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

We need an elite left tackle. We need another Chris Samuels. We'll never get by with Heyer at LT.

Rounds 1-4 need to be O-Line. That's 90% of our 'holes.'

Posted by: AllThatSkins | November 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I am a fan, I will buy & wear jerseys. I like to represent my team, even if they are ran by a dictator or they lose every game. ...

Posted by: AllThatSkins | November 2, 2009 2:47 PM

Gotta wonder whether Dan Jong Il ever gets ronery.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

And Casserly engineered the trade with New Orleans, still got Bailey, and drafted Lavar and Samuels the next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 2, 2009 3:11 PM

So he was here for that draft. I wasn't sure.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yep. He deftly switched the #5 overall for the #12 overall (took Champ) and got all of N.O. picks that year + a 1st & 3rd in "00.

Casserly was rewarded for his fleecing by getting fired at the end of the '99 season.

Casserly was the last Skins GM to make a trade and actually get MORE draft picks in return. What a lost concept......

F SNYDER!

Posted by: ksquare | November 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, lets just take our chances and draft another safety. Maybe Mays or Berry will still be there?

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WE aren't drafting. Vinny and danny are. ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I am preparing myself for "total and Final humilulation"....I see skins are also preparing for same..getting Heyer out of his walker by weeks end....you guys all have names of these college guys at the tip of your fingers, I'm much more big picture.....you need something to draft too...its called an indentity or a philosopy "the who we are" and what kind of player fits with our style of play...the good organizations have that and don't deviate, the bad ones are always searching and changing year to year.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | November 2, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

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