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Allen: In Shanahan, 'we got our man'

In his first press conference, the Washington Redskins' new head coach promised to return the team to prominence, paying homage to the franchise's past while praising owner Daniel Snyder's commitment to win in the future.

"I promise you I won't disappoint you," Mike Shanahan said in an auditorium at the team's Ashburn training facility. "I'm going to give you everything I got."

During the 30-minute news conference, Shanahan said many of the important decisions about the Redskins' immediate future -- which coaches will be retained from Jim Zorn's staff, which players will be prominent members of the 2010 team, whether he will stick with quarterback Jason Campbell -- will take several weeks to evaluate. That's much longer than it took the Redskins to lock up Shanahan, who received a call from new general manager Bruce Allen Sunday night -- before Zorn was fired early Monday morning -- and was on a flight to Washington by Monday afternoon.


"We were looking for a man who was passionate about football," Allen said, "passionate about the Redskins' history, someone who had a good winning record, and someone who could lead our team on and off the field, lead our coaches on and off the field to the greatest heights. Ladies and gentlemen, we got our man."

Snyder, who made Shanahan the seventh coach in his 11-year stewardship of the franchise, did not take questions from reporters. But Allen and Shanahan described a leadership structure in which both would have input on personnel. Shanahan bristled at the suggestion that he had "final say" on which players to select. Allen -- a former front office executive with the Raiders and general manager in Tampa Bay -- was hired Dec. 17 to replace Vinny Cerrato, who was pushed out as the team's executive vice president of football operations.

"First off, we're a team," Shanahan said. "One of the reasons I was so excited to work with Bruce is I've watched him work at the NFL level, I've watched him work as an agent, a GM, and I wanted somebody that I knew would give me his opinion on everything. I've been friends with Dan for about 10 years, and we've talked about coaches through the years, we've talked about GMs, we've talked about coordinators. We've had a relationship for a long time.

"And when Bruce became available after the end of the last season, I said something to Dan, I said, 'Dan, a guy like Bruce doesn't come along very often. Somebody's going to gobble him up very quickly,' not knowing that he was going to gobble him up. I'm very happy to be working with Bruce.' "

Shanahan's tenure in Denver brought Super Bowl titles after the 1997 and '98 seasons, four AFC West Division championships -- the Redskins last won a division title in 1999 --- a 138-86 record (for a .616 winning percentage) and just two losing seasons. But Elway retired after the second Super Bowl season, and Shanahan and the Broncos struggled to return to the same level of performance. In 10 seasons after Elway's retirement, the Broncos made four playoff appearances but won just one playoff game.

"His record over the time of being a head coach, an assistant coach, in both the NFL and college, has some amazing accomplishments," Allen said. " ... This man has proven to be one of the most consistent winners in the history of the NFL."

By Barry Svrluga  |  January 6, 2010; 2:41 PM ET
 
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Learn/cL/Everone else...stop jumping on me...

Shanny was a done deal last offseason.

Bradford was done deal week 16....

Now...with those being the FACTS...discuss..

I say, I ain't mad at them and that'll work for me.

It won't work for you you say? I'm fine with that?

We HAVE to get OKung? I respectfully disagree.

Now...let's start over....I'm done..

(GAo55 - You only responded to half my post and left out the receivers part...but thanks for pointing out they picked a LT AFTER they Ryan pick...help me out alot on that one)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I refuse to say "First!" :)

I'm impressed Danny stayed away from the microphones today. A step in the right direction.

Posted by: blackjack65 | January 6, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to seeing the changes that the new "team" will bring. Can't wait too much longer for some exciting football in the Nations Capital. Welcome to DC, Mr. Allen and Mr. Shanahan!!

Posted by: TerpGrad | January 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm glad Allen introduced him. I'm pleasantly surprised that the Snydley is allowing Allen to do his thing.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break....

Which hater wants their parade rained on NEXT??

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse
I'm still waiting on you to "break me down" regarding your comparison of the Falcons and Skins drafting a QB.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

For the record (and I said this days ago as Shanahan's hiring became imminent), I personally believe that if Shanahan were to select a QB early on, it will be tough to argue against it. If he believes a QB will fit his system, chances are that QB actually will. Whether it's Clausen, Bradford, or nobody, Shanahan knows QBs arguably better than anyone else in the league. As long as Shanahan is selecting the offensive talent (which he will), I'm cool with whatever direction he goes in.

But what I'm not going to sit here and say is that because the Colts took Manning 12 years ago #1 overall, the Skins should take a QB in the top 5 to emulate that.

Top 10 passer ratings from this season:

Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Matt Schaub
Tony Romo
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner

TWO were top 5 draft picks. Two. Six weren't even drafted in the first round. Your standing on thin ice if you believe you need to select a top 5 QB to get a 'franchise' guy in this league.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan was just on 980 and he indicated he plans to give Jason Campbell every chance in the world. Said he wants to help him take his talent to another level and that he respects Jason for the way he handles himself.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "We're open for business again... "

#%&*!/@ website.

1. Last to get breaking news.
2. Doesn't acknowledge breaking news. Calls it "premature".
3. Can't keep threads open.
4. Technical support = teenager who knows Java whose mom insists on homework first.

%&#@*/$ website.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Wow...HAlf truths can go long way up here on Redskins Insider....

MAYBE they didn't draft a QB BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ANY QBs to DRAFT WITH THE #1 PICK?

Drunkenmiller was the 1st QB drafted @ #26."

Posted by: 4thFloor
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My lord, so you're saying the Rams were correct in taking a tackle because there wasn't a QB worth a top 5 overall pick??

No way!!!

I've never heard that argument used for the current situation...

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan was just on 980 and he indicated he plans to give Jason Campbell every chance in the world. Said he wants to help him take his talent to another level and that he respects Jason for the way he handles himself.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM

Yes. Win- Win situation. He'll sing his praise (unlike Zorn/Vinny) tender him for 2010 and either keep him or receive compensation from another team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Learn/cL/Everone else...stop jumping on me...

You should know 4th, up here....if you're gonna come, you better come correct.

Isn't that what you told DDockett after you gave him a beat down?

Posted by: ksquare | January 6, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh, we forgot, Bradford is the next Manning.

Wait for 4th to "rain" on me again.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"In 10 seasons after Elway's retirement, the Broncos made four playoff appearances but won just one playoff game."

^is this going to be copied and pasted into everything written about shanahan?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

happy for it, scared to see the new Skins Uniform.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm psyched about the relationships here. It's a really good sign:

Shanahan wanted BA and respects his ideas, which means he will lean on him for the stuff he knows BA can do better. That will free up a lot of time for Shanahan and mitigate some bad personnel decisions he may make.

Shanahan is already friends with DS which will make it easier for him to respectfully tell him "NO" early and often.

Talk about a complete 180 from DS+VC+JZ, this is a great beginning.

Posted by: REXskins | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Are there going to be any good OL available in FA next year that we can give ridiculous contracts to?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"And when Bruce became available after the end of the last season, I said something to Dan, I said, 'Dan, a guy like Bruce doesn't come along very often. Somebody's going to gobble him up very quickly,' not knowing that he was going to gobble him up. I'm very happy to be working with Bruce.' "

Translation:


When Snyder asked Shanahan, if he could see himself as the head coach of the Redskins, Shanahan replied:

Hey Dan, if you want me as your coach, go get Bruce Allen. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Top 10 passer ratings from this season:

Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Matt Schaub
Tony Romo
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner

TWO were top 5 draft picks. Two. Six weren't even drafted in the first round. Your standing on thin ice if you believe you need to select a top 5 QB to get a 'franchise' guy in this league.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23

AMEN!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

happy for it, scared to see the new Skins Uniform.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM |

Did he say he was changing the uniform or are you going off the fact that he changed it in Denver?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You build a successful football team from the offensive line out. If you can't protect the qb, it doesn't matter who's behind center. This is why I'm anti first round qb picking. Take the biggest most athletic linemen, and you'll win games.

Mark Rypien, Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer, all have won super bowls. All are mediocre qbs at best who prevailed in a system.

Posted by: kingtutts | January 6, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

With another yr under his belt, Christian Ponder might be a darkhorse candidate too. I think Mallet needs to come back for one more yr though..and I'm not sure about dude from Central Michigan, Levoure, not sure if he's coming out or not

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I like Ponder a lot. He is a very quick decision maker and he is accurate on those quick passes. Arm strength is an issue with him but in another year who knows.

I also like Pat Devlin. I think he could be a potential sleeper pick. I'd just rather have the line fixed before trying to develop a QB. I'd rather have him working on his timing with his receivers than running for his life.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan was just on 980 and he indicated he plans to give Jason Campbell every chance in the world. Said he wants to help him take his talent to another level and that he respects Jason for the way he handles himself.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM

I wonder if "another level" is his way of saying CFL?

Posted by: League-Source | January 6, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"In 10 seasons after Elway's retirement, the Broncos made four playoff appearances but won just one playoff game."

^is this going to be copied and pasted into everything written about shanahan?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I hate that line or the one which basically says Shanny has zero titles without Elway. Spin it the other way and I could say "How many Super Bowls did Elway win without Shanahan as his coach?"

Works both ways.

Posted by: mattylight | January 6, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Top 10 passer ratings from this season:

Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Matt Schaub
Tony Romo
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner

TWO were top 5 draft picks. Two. Six weren't even drafted in the first round. Your standing on thin ice if you believe you need to select a top 5 QB to get a 'franchise' guy in this league.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM |

Only the top six on that list are elite and of those six, four were drafted in the 1st round. If you know your QBs, drafting 1st round is the way to go if you want an elite QB.

1. Ryan = good choice
2. Staff = poor choice
3. San = poor choice

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

GAo55 - You only responded to half my post and left out the receivers part...but thanks for pointing out they picked a LT AFTER they Ryan pick...help me out alot on that one)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Again, you're digging yourself a hole. THey already had two recent 1st round WR's drafted in Roddy white and Jenkins. And how did I help you out? The Falcons still took an OT in the 1st round by trading up with the Skins. Are you saying that's the same thing the Skins will do? Matt Ryan had no injury concerns coming out of college and was a four yr starter if I'm not mistaken. Their O line was fine, put they saw the value of getting Baker too. The virtually have the same O line they had back then, so how was their O line busted? Take your whipping like a man, lol.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dan, if you want me as your coach, go get Bruce Allen. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree and posted something similar after BA came on board.

Shanahan had to have some "good faith" that DS was willing to change.

Cutting ties with VC was the litmus.

BA and Shanny wouldn't be here if they had to ultimately defer to Snyder.

Posted by: ksquare | January 6, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

TWO were top 5 draft picks. Two. Six weren't even drafted in the first round. Your standing on thin ice if you believe you need to select a top 5 QB to get a 'franchise' guy in this league.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:51 PM

There's text. Then there's context. In 4th's defense, he didn't advance the position as you put it above. He's saying Bradford is special and that's why you take him at #4 in spite of what other needs you may have. Defense rests.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 6, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So now both Allen and Shanny have said positive things about JC17 and are making it sound like he could be retained…..have to wonder if Vinny was the root of all of the FO dissing of JC, or of the new guys are just being PC with hopes of driving up his value…..

I for one am on board with keeping JC for another year or two and drafting heavy oline while developing someone, all the while seeing what JC can do behind a real line in a real offensive system. If he doesn’t show improvement next year, let him go.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Are there going to be any good OL available in FA next year that we can give ridiculous contracts to?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse
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Negative. The top OL are slated to be RFA unless a CBA is in place.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Chris Miedts, K.O., Weishawhatever (sp) TE coach, finds a place on this staff. Good luck gentlemen.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Works both ways.

Posted by: mattylight | January 6, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. I mean how many titles has Bellicheat won without Brady? But he's still considered one of the best in the NFL. Makes no sense to me.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"In 10 seasons after Elway's retirement, the Broncos made four playoff appearances but won just one playoff game."

As often as we hear:

Fred Davis, who giggled in meetings

And mention of what round, FD/MK/DT were taken in........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I love a good cynic because they prove everything of what's wrong in life.

I too was once this kind of cynic but it brings too much of the darkness out. Once I discovered it, I left it alone.

Maybe some of you up here should drop your cynic ways so you too can see the light....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Are there going to be any good OL available in FA next year that we can give ridiculous contracts to?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

That's another subject of debate up here. I don't think there will be. I think Alex Barron and Marcus McNeill will be resigned. I think the best FA linemen will be one of the Saints tackles if they let one go.

Jermon Bushrod
Jamaal Brown

The problem is that Brown would be a UFA if there is no cap so they could sign Bushrod and tender Brown.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Did he say he was changing the uniform or are you going off the fact that he changed it in Denver?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The later, also if we sigh Bradford I see that as something that could make a change, signing a QB 1/16 Native American.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

These gentlemen, if nothing else, are class guys and football men. They are not going to publicly trash or devalue their RFA QB. They want others to want him so that they can get picks when he signs elsewhere.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I for one am on board ...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:03 PM |

Why so early in the morning? Can't we at least make it something like eight am, which is early but not ridiculous. Thanks.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Only the top six on that list are elite and of those six, four were drafted in the 1st round. If you know your QBs, drafting 1st round is the way to go if you want an elite QB."

(1) Tom Brady and Kurt Warner are easily elite, and neither drafted in the first.

(2) We're not talking about 1st round QBs, we're talking about top five 1st round QBs. It was argued that if you're in the top 5 and need a QB, you should take one because there are only so many opportunities to be drafting top 5 and have a chance at an 'elite' QB. Franchises have shown over and again that if you want an elite QB, you do NOT have to take one in the top 5, as evidenced by the numerous non-1st rounders, as well as by Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger, neither of whom were selected in the top 10.

Hence the philosophy 'Build the line first, THEN grab a QB (even if you don't have a top 5 pick anymore)'

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Cynics can take whatever you say and twist it...(in my Paul McGuire's voice...'Watch This!')
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

My lord, so you're saying the Rams were correct in taking a tackle because there wasn't a QB worth a top 5 overall pick??

No way!!!

I've never heard that argument used for the current situation...

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:53 PM


So...What does this have to do with 2010 and what about the part of Shanny getting an undrafted RFA in the same draft year who was part of history?

Clausen and Bradford are not top 10 picks?

Time to bring some intelligence to what we are saying....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is suspended indefinitely. Looking forward to seeing Coach Shanahan give Portis his indefinite suspension from our Redskins soon.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I think Allennnahan* has what it takes to make the Offense work. Next season will be a tough one, but our record will be 8-8 or better.

(Note: I have a trademark on the 4 N version. You're free to use a 3 N version. You can never have enough Ns.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd be fine if we drafted nothing but OL this year. Not Eric Berry, not Sam Bradford, I want Okung.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

also like Pat Devlin. I think he could be a potential sleeper pick. I'd just rather have the line fixed before trying to develop a QB. I'd rather have him working on his timing with his receivers than running for his life.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2010 3:58 PM

I wouldn’t go calling Delaware “Quarterback U” just yet. But I am looking forward to see what he does next year……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

(Again..in my PAul McGuire's Voice...'Watch This!')

Oh, we forgot, Bradford is the next Manning.

Wait for 4th to "rain" on me again.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM


Again.....Show me proof of this falsehood your are trying to spin?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is suspended indefinitely. Looking forward to seeing Coach Shanahan give Portis his indefinite suspension from our Redskins soon.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

And still, the Washington Nationals are the second best sports team in DC.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Hence the philosophy 'Build the line first, THEN grab a QB (even if you don't have a top 5 pick anymore)'

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:07 PM

Nice philosophy but it's yours, not Mike Shanahan's. He wants to to both at the same time.

This is from the Stefan Fatsis chat today: "Mike's turning 58 this year. He's not a rebuild sort of guy. The NFL makes it possible for teams to reverse direction fast. In Washington, Mike knew he'd definitely have the resources to make it happen. Whether it will only time will tell."

Posted by: League-Source | January 6, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta needed a lot of talent, but they selected MAtt Ryan anyway? Should they have skipped over him at looked at their line or receiving corp, who were bust up to that point?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 3:16 PM

Falcons' line was not a bust up to that point, Rain Man. It was Vick who wouldn't stay in the pocket and Schaub had already been sent packing. They had a middling offensive that they improved with their SECOND first round pick, Sam Baker, who they were able to assure they would get because some other team was willing to trade its first round pick to pick up three pass catchers in the second round.

Bradford 'done deal' in Week 16 ... if he's the choice at #4, then The Owner still runs the team.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

You should know 4th, up here....if you're gonna come, you better come correct.

Isn't that what you told DDockett after you gave him a beat down?


Posted by: ksquare | January 6, 2010 3:55 PM

K - When I mentioned Dockett the last few times I did....I did it itentionally to get the blog riled up...and it work...

See...I know how to be the butt of a joke...And I find it funny...Adds to the humor of running jokes...And I can appreciate it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

From the Bog, quoting Shanahan:

"I also talked to Marty Schottenheimer who was here, obviously, a year," he said still later. "And he said Mike, if that opportunity presents itself, jump on it, because you'll love it."
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..... What? Why would he say that? He went .500 and got fired (because he didn't get along with people in the organization). This is confusing.

Posted by: REXskins | January 6, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

4th, I think you may need to look up Cynic...doesn't mean "Those that don't agree with an opinion of 4th Floor"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh, we forgot, Bradford is the next Manning.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM

Nah physically he looks more like Tom Brady. Seriously. Tall, kind of lanky, accurate. Not sayin he'll be anywhere near as good but that's who he reminds me of if your making comparisons. Personally I'd go with an OT at the 4th pick unless somehow Suh is there - and he won't be.

Posted by: skinswest | January 6, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I dunno.

The hiring of Shanahan is a mixed bag, mostly good, but it's not like the man is without his detractors.

Shanny gets dinged for having been arrogant and inflexible, which may be an unfair characterization,

but I dunno

and if someone rationalizes that The Great Bill Belichick is arrogant and inflexible, I'd say, all other things being equal, I would rather NOT have the new coach of the Washington Redskins be arrogant and inflexible.

and like it or not

Mike "Without Elway" Shananan's accomplishments are circumspect until he wins a championship without John Elway...

which would be fine by me

but I don't think he does it with Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I've got the data on Shanny's drafts from 2000-2008 and compared it to the benchmark group (jints, Pats, Colts and Steelers).

I used picks in rounds 1-5 (early and mid) and compiled them by position. Bruce Allen's conformed very closely to the proportions of the benchmark group, Shanny, not quite as close.

Shanny's drafts are in column 1 (49 picks total), the benchmark group in column 2

QB 02% -- 05%
OL 16% -- 16%
WR 18% -- 09%
TE 02% -- 08%
RB 10% -- 05%

DL 23% -- 16%
LB 06% -- 15%
DB 21% -- 24%

Tm 02% -- 02%

The only QB was Cutler. Definitely a 'rifle shot'. He drafted heavily for WRs, but less at TE. Combine WRs and TEs, its 20% vs 17% for the benchmark group -- pretty close. Ironically, its the TEs group that is the deepest here in DC.

Also of note, he drafted lots of DL, not many LBs. But add those two groups together and you get 29% of picks, vs 31% for the benchmark group. Did he pick some DL guys hoping to convert some to LB?

Of note, the benchmark group took 33% of all picks on the lines. Both Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan were above this number. Shanahan at 39%, Allen at 43%.

Shanahan also picked 21 guys in rounds 6 and 7 in that time frame, Peyton Hillis and Mike Anderson are the best known, Chris Myers (G) is the only other low draft pick that started more than 1 season. He did pick 2 7th round QBs, neither did anything of note.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

This is from the Stefan Fatsis chat today: "Mike's turning 58 this year. He's not a rebuild sort of guy. The NFL makes it possible for teams to reverse direction fast. In Washington, Mike knew he'd definitely have the resources to make it happen. Whether it will only time will tell."

Posted by: League-Source

He did sign a 5 year deal. That's plenty of time to institute a rebuild.

Posted by: REXskins | January 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Translation:


When Snyder asked Shanahan, if he could see himself as the head coach of the Redskins, Shanahan replied:

Hey Dan, if you want me as your coach, go get Bruce Allen. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse
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Bingo. Hence why Cerrato was out during the season - Allen had to be here first in order for Shanahan to commit.

I'm encouraged by the good relationships between these three to start. Also encouraged by the fact that Snyder let Allen do his job in introducing MS. It's a small thing, and maybe it is just purely a show, but it is a start.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | January 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is suspended indefinitely. Looking forward to seeing Coach Shanahan give Portis his indefinite suspension from our Redskins soon.
Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2010 4:09 PM |

Suspended?!? Geez Leweez, it was just a joke….c’mon…..who up here hasn’t brought 5 unregistered guns to the office? Wow, some of these "suits" just don’t have a sense of humor.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Sweeny...can't talk out of 2 sides of your mouth...then WHY did ATL use a 1st round pick on their OLine?

Answer: Because they needed it.

Why did they use their 1st First round pick on Ryan instead of waiting?

Answer: Because he was too good to pass up on....irregardless of what else they needed...like Left Tackle.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

See...I know how to be the butt of a joke...And I find it funny...Adds to the humor of running jokes...And I can appreciate it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like Bradford being the right choice at 4 huh?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

4th, I think you may need to look up Cynic...doesn't mean "Those that don't agree with an opinion of 4th Floor"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2010 4:15 PM

Cynic in my minds means too smart for your own good. And likes to get cute answering around questions.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"In 10 seasons after Elway's retirement, the Broncos made four playoff appearances but won just one playoff game."

As often as we hear:

Fred Davis, who giggled in meetings

And mention of what round, FD/MK/DT were taken in........

... All coached by Sherman Lewis, who was a retired bingo caller brought in to supplant Zorn, who infamously called that swinging gate field goal after Vinny Cerrato, whose relationship with Zorn had gone decidedly cold, resigned.

Am I in the ballpark?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"There's text. Then there's context. In 4th's defense, he didn't advance the position as you put it above. He's saying Bradford is special and that's why you take him at #4 in spite of what other needs you may have. Defense rests.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Leave it to LH to serve me up. Well played. Though there were others arguing that top 5 picks were the main source of "franchise QBs".

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Special? You talk like this Sammy B = Sammy Baugh. Not hardly. He's got a gimpy throwing motion, yet he's no Phillip Rivers. And major surgery on top? Put him behind a cieve of an O-line?? No thanks. Virtually all QBs are only as good as their O-lines. IMO drafting anyone not named Russell Okung at #4 would be a mistake, and drafting any QB not named Peyton Manning would be a huge mistake.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I love how Shanahan caught himself when he was talking about Clinton Portis and his work eth eh... toughness. LOL

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Suspended?!? Geez Leweez, it was just a joke….c’mon…..who up here hasn’t brought 5 unregistered guns to the office? Wow, some of these "suits" just don’t have a sense of humor.

Keeping in mind that I do live in Texas, I have had a conversation with an individual where I worked who was considering quitting because he wasn't allowed to bring a gun into work.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 6, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"Cynic in my minds means too smart for your own good. And likes to get cute answering around questions.

Posted by: 4thFloor"

As in starting off a personal response with "reading is fundamental"?

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I also love how he mentioned discipline several times and that players will not take their problems to the media, they will be dealt with internally.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Allennnahan* has what it takes to make the Offense work. Next season will be a tough one, but our record will be 8-8 or better.

(Note: I have a trademark on the 4 N version. You're free to use a 3 N version. You can never have enough Ns.)

Posted by: _Stumped_

Gotta use the symbols. An * means nothing. © ® ™

Like DEBACLE '09 ®

get with the program

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Not thinking that The Owner is pulling the same old, same old = cynicism. Agree to disagree.

Getting Sam Bradford is not more important than replacing Chris Samuels. [Also, from the stuff I saw on the youtubes, I like the Rutgers guy, Anthony Davis, more than Okung ... whose assignment seems to have been primarily blocking for a QB in the shotgun ... admittedly, I'm not a college scout.] The value of Chris Samuels to the Skins over his career is equivalent to the value to other teams of the first round QBs they've drafted not named Peyton Manning (I'm saying that Samuels has been as important to the Skins as Eli or Rivers have been to NYG or SD, etc.]. Sam Bradford is not Peyton Manning.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like Bradford being the right choice at 4 huh?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:19 PM

If I get appointed it...I'll wear it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Clausen and Bradford are not top 10 picks?

Time to bring some intelligence to what we are saying...."

Clausen yes, Bradford no. Hence the entire argument to begin with.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sweeny...can't talk out of 2 sides of your mouth...then WHY did ATL use a 1st round pick on their OLine?

Answer: Because they needed it.

Why did they use their 1st First round pick on Ryan instead of waiting?

Answer: Because he was too good to pass up on....irregardless of what else they needed...like Left Tackle.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

They were nowhere near as bad off as the Skins were at OT. You're thinking like Snyder now. THey already HAD a solid LT but he was getting old, so guess what they did? They planned for the future. You're whole comparison between the Falcons and Skins is terrible, just admit it and we can move on. You obviously didn't even know who was on the Falcons roster judging by your posts.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Lmao @ 4th getting his ass owned and handed to him on like 3 consecutive threads now...

Gotta admire homie's courage...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Suspended?!? Geez Leweez, it was just a joke….c’mon…..who up here hasn’t brought 5 unregistered guns to the office? Wow, some of these "suits" just don’t have a sense of humor.
Keeping in mind that I do live in Texas, I have had a conversation with an individual where I worked who was considering quitting because he wasn't allowed to bring a gun into work.
Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 6, 2010 4:22 PM
He was the Sheriff.

Buh-ZING!!!!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest,

what do you extrapolate from those statistics?

(in one sentence.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

There's text. Then there's context. In 4th's defense, he didn't advance the position as you put it above. He's saying Bradford is special and that's why you take him at #4 in spite of what other needs you may have. Defense rests.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Leave it to LH to serve me up. Well played. Though there were others arguing that top 5 picks were the main source of "franchise QBs".

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:21 PM

And I'll take that as apology accepted....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@psps23...just b/c you happen to have a top 5 pick doesn't mean that anyone you take at any given position, QB or otherwise, will be "elite." you could totally misfire like norv & casserly did with shuler...

and if i can be so bold...how can anyone say that QB is the highest priority for this team? is there a QB in this league that would have gotten more than 2 more wins given the supporting cast? for my money 6-10 isn't that much better than 4-12...other than it gets you a worse slot in the draft.

the most glaring need on the roster is at OL & particularly the exterior.

the second-most glaring need is in the secondary, in the FS space as well as CB. QB (and to some degree RB) may be a need, but you can win a lot of games with what's currently on the roster.

sure, evaluate QBs, but do us all a favor and focus the timing on something later than RD1...since there's a high likelihood that an OL taken at 4 has not just the chance to be elite, but to raise the near-term prospects of the team much more so than a QB taken in the same spot.

Posted by: ratay1 | January 6, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I love how people around here sit and scoff that Shanny made the playoffs four times in the 10 years after Elway and only won one playoff game. I mean, we can't ALL be the Redskins, can we?

Posted by: ATLCherokee | January 6, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"There's text. Then there's context. In 4th's defense, he didn't advance the position as you put it above. He's saying Bradford is special and that's why you take him at #4 in spite of what other needs you may have. Defense rests.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Leave it to LH to serve me up. Well played. Though there were others arguing that top 5 picks were the main source of "franchise QBs".

Posted by: psps23

geez -- aren't all top 5 picks thought to be 'special'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan will hire his son. OK

What else is new eh? Isn't this what coaching is all about? Hiring you sons?

I'm so tired of the old boy network in the NFL. Geeezzzzzz

Hiring a son is a curse. Most of those teams aren't successful. Check the records.

Posted by: kentonsmith | January 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Answer: Because he was too good to pass up on....irregardless of what else they needed...like Left Tackle.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse
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Bradford isn't even consensus best in this draft (Locker, Clausen). The injury raises another red flag.

So an Eric Berry or Suh would fill that role of 'if they are there you take them with 14:59 left on the clock'

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to LH to serve me up. Well played. Though there were others arguing that top 5 picks were the main source of "franchise QBs".

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:21 PM

While I agree with you that OL is the immediate need 4th's my boy. And couldn't take watching him get it like Pyle in Full Metal Jacket.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Sweeny...can't talk out of 2 sides of your mouth...then WHY did ATL use a 1st round pick on their OLine?

Answer: Because they needed it.

Why did they use their 1st First round pick on Ryan instead of waiting?

Answer: Because he was too good to pass up on....irregardless of what else they needed...like Left Tackle.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:18 PM

First side of my mouth ... they NEEDED a QB because Vick was under investigation and Schaub was already gone.

Other side of my mouth ... they NEEDED an offensive lineman to turn a middling line into a good line.

DISREGARDLESS, the Skins NEED an offensive line. They HAVE two QBs under contract (I recall that The Todd only had a two year deal). A solid offensive line (Titans) can make a mediocre QB (Kerry Collins) look good. A crappy offensive line (early season Packers) can make a solid QB (Aaron Rodgers) look awful.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

McCoy is the proper choice over Bradford- he's started a record number of games plus is a hardy scrambling QB, whereas what good is Bradford if his shoulder is in the shop most of the time..Future Popes will have to have escapability, durability and ability to read the congregation's attack strategy before Mass..These oft-injured Popes won't break the wafer facing these new dynamic congregants, young hardy quick on their feet young lions will be required for survival..

Posted by: frak | January 6, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest,

what do you extrapolate from those statistics?

(in one sentence.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Shanahan likes linemen and won't go after a QB unless he thinks its a very good fit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I love how people around here sit and scoff that Shanny made the playoffs four times in the 10 years after Elway and only won one playoff game. I mean, we can't ALL be the Redskins, can we?

Posted by: ATLCherokee | January 6, 2010 4:27 PM

From the Stefan Fatsis chat: "Shanahan was 34-31 in the four seasons after Elway, when the team signed too many expensive vets in their prime earning years and encountered major salary cap issues with the league. They saw the light, drafted better, signed younger, cleared away dead money and had more flexibility -- and went 10-6, 10-6 and 13-3 and reached an AFC championship game. They were 7-2 the following season, lost a couple in a row, and Shanahan (I think wrongly) benched Jake Plummer for rookie Jay Cutler and they missed the playoffs. I think that was the beginning of the end for Mike in Denver -- though to be fair, the team lost starters to about five times as many games in 2006 and 2007 as in the two Super Bowl years."

Posted by: League-Source | January 6, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

McCoy is the proper choice over Bradford- he's started a record number of games plus is a hardy scrambling QB, whereas what good is Bradford if his shoulder is in the shop most of the time..Future Popes will have to have escapability, durability and ability to read the congregation's attack strategy before Mass..These oft-injured Popes won't break the wafer facing these new dynamic congregants, young hardy quick on their feet young lions will be required for survival..

Posted by: frak | January 6, 2010 4:30 PM

I hope your referring to Gerald McCoy the DT from Oklahoma. Colt would be a reach in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I also will admit that Top Ten picks can bust as often as they can hit ... and that in the Top Ten, offensive tackles can cost as much as QBs ... so I'm willing to take guard too ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with you that OL is the immediate need 4th's my boy. And couldn't take watching him get it like Pyle in Full Metal Jacket.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I need to correct a post earlier that said Locker was in this draft - he's not - but is rated ahead of Bradford since he would be eligible if he chose to be.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Cynic in my minds means too smart for your own good. And likes to get cute answering around questions.

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Yeah not even close. Actually "Those that disagree with 4th's opinions" is actually no more wrong than the one in your minds...REgardless I love your tenacity...keep on keeping on.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

...sorry...my post was directed @4thFloor

Posted by: ratay1 | January 6, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

There is a much better chance of an OL performing to expectations than a QB. I look at the Dolphins, who drafted Jake Long and turned their season around from 1-15 to 11-5 and AFC East title. OL can make all the difference. Not saying that Okung or another top tier OL will turn us around at the drop of a hat, but putting some rookie back there is suicide.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse


zcezcest,

what do you extrapolate from those statistics?

(in one sentence.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Shanahan likes linemen and won't go after a QB unless he thinks its a very good fit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 4:31 PM

Which was my initial point. That the position of the first pick is going to demonstrate whether its the new guys in charge or whether its still The (same old) Owner.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

I'll work on it. Debacle indeed!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

4th's my boy

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 6, 2010 4:29 PM |

I was wondering about that. We used to have this poster, TheTruth11, who was RedDMV's illegitimate son. I think you're a better parent than RedDMV.

Posted by: League-Source | January 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

So Sween - You are saying that the Falcons were right in drafting a QB 1st and LT 2nd? Correct?

But, That the Redskins can't do it like them and we must draft the LT 1st and look for the QB later?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

... I look at the Dolphins, who drafted Jake Long and turned their season around from 1-15 to 11-5 and AFC East title. OL can make all the difference. ...

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 4:36 PM

Maybe it CAN, but I don't think one lineman moved the ten games from the loss column to the win column ... I suspect that had more to do with the thread of Parcell's boot.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

That one's easy to look up guys. From wiki:

Modern cynicism, as a product of mass society, is a distrust toward professed ethical and social values, especially when there are high expectations concerning society, institutions and authorities which are unfulfilled. Cynicism can manifest itself as a result of frustration, disillusionment, and distrust perceived as due to organizations, authorities and other aspects of society, and thus is roughly equivalent to a substantive form of the English word "jaded".

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope your referring to Gerald McCoy the DT from Oklahoma. Colt would be a reach in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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I wouldn't mind grabbing him in the 2nd round if we get an OT in the first. I think we should grab a RB in the 2nd, but Shanahamsammich has proven he could lace me up into a 1000 yard rusher (with my two bad knees and blazing Caucasian speed)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"And I'll take that as apology accepted....

Posted by: 4thFloor"

I prostrate myself before you, and beg your forgiveness for combining your argument with another poster.

I still disagree on whether this situation mirrors that of the Colts circa 1998, but that's for another discussion.

And now I've wasted way too much time on this blog, and out of fear of getting chastised at work, I'm returning to productivity.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

How many picks can we conceivably get if we trade out of the first round?

and I'm curious as to what degree, if any, Colt Brennan factors into Shanny's QB calculus.

and after having been around John Elway, I can't help but think that Jason Campbell doesn't fit the QB bill either.

considering the teams many needs...

the safe bet would be to NOT draft a QB in the first round.

The other Colt, the one from from Texas, might be good enough and not cost you as much,

or not.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

This team has talent on it. But the O-line and QB need to be addressed. There is no reason why both cannot be addressed simultaneously, via the draft and FA.

With Bugel retiring, I hope Shanahan fires ALL the assistants and brings in his own people at every position.

He might want to check in to the conditioning system too. The Redskins had a boatload of injuries this year and I think that's due to more than just bad luck.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. American Mike Shanahans and Bruce Allens are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation like the 4th Floors don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, Sam Bradford, and Ryan Leaf, and the Iraq, and the Denver, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. top 5 picks, uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the RI Blog, and the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our offensive line, for our children

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | January 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind grabbing him in the 2nd round if we get an OT in the first. I think we should grab a RB in the 2nd, but Shanahamsammich has proven he could lace me up into a 1000 yard rusher (with my two bad knees and blazing Caucasian speed)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:42 PM

Someone will. I'd like to address OL this year. This is a strong OL class and next year’s QB class is infinitely better than this year’s (Locker, Mallett).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it CAN, but I don't think one lineman moved the ten games from the loss column to the win column ... I suspect that had more to do with the thread of Parcell's boot.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Selectively quoting me to make your point. I said "Not saying that Okung or another top tier OL will turn us around at the drop of a hat,"(Lines 3-4)

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm saying that if Jimmy Clausen slips to the #4 spot, then (like they should do if Ndamakong Suh drops there) they should get him. I said there was a tackle who I thought would be more of a NFC East-type ground mauler than Okung (based on my outstanding youtube viewing skills). In the case of the Falcons, yes, they were right b/c (1) they had a SERIOUS need for a QB, (2) Matt Ryan WAS all that, and (3) they were able to use draft picks wisely so that they could STILL get an offensive tackle. [As it turns out, they only got the 6th or 7th offensive tackle drafted in the first round, but it was a good year for OTs and they were going fast.]

The Redskins have a NEED on the offensive line, just like the Falcons had a need at QB. What I'm saying is that, if they Skins draft a QB (not named Jimmy Clausen) at #4, then they are are addressing a WANT ... and likely because The Owner hasn't yet even conceded control to Shanahan, much less the OTHER (co) EVP, who before today, used to have "full control."

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Not thinking that The Owner is pulling the same old, same old = cynicism. Agree to disagree.

Getting Sam Bradford is not more important than replacing Chris Samuels. [Also, from the stuff I saw on the youtubes, I like the Rutgers guy, Anthony Davis, more than Okung ... whose assignment seems to have been primarily blocking for a QB in the shotgun ... admittedly, I'm not a college scout.] The value of Chris Samuels to the Skins over his career is equivalent to the value to other teams of the first round QBs they've drafted not named Peyton Manning (I'm saying that Samuels has been as important to the Skins as Eli or Rivers have been to NYG or SD, etc.]. Sam Bradford is not Peyton Manning.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse
I've heard good things about Davis from Rutgers and Campbell from MD. But I think the difference between them and Okung is that Okung faced Orakpo last year and handled him pretty well. Also some big time DE's this year. Level of opposition seems to favor Okung.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I know I come in here with this Snyderrato logic...but that is still the logic the Redskins live by.

Snyder now wears a double bulletproof vest (BA and Shanny) and can still do what he does best (in his mind).

This is your Washington Redskins.

I get accused of having reasons for my thinking, but my reasons are only based on reality.......

OLine are a more realiable pick throughout the whole draft. Including getting undrafted rookies like Shanny did in 1997 and turning them into all-pros. You win big/lose big selecting a QB in the top 5.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | January 6, 2010 4:45 PM

While funny, I'd like to ask you to please leave my girlfriend alone. Some would glad trade brains for looks, not me.

If you were privileged enough to see her combine you'd see the talent and the top 5 grade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins2 | January 6, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I've heard good things about Davis from Rutgers and Campbell from MD. But I think the difference between them and Okung is that Okung faced Orakpo last year and handled him pretty well. Also some big time DE's this year. Level of opposition seems to favor Okung.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Mcshay actually has Davis going before Okung.
And I think 4th Floor has rained on me so much that he's ignoring my posts directed at him. LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, [btw love your name], on the whole, I do agree with your point that the game is won and lost at the line of scrimmage. [And, from the Carpenter article, sounds like Shanahan is going to have his @ss-kicking boots on regardless ... which I also will applaud.]

also to mattsoundworld, speaking of Caucasian speed, Toby Gearhart out of Stanford is the (possibly the only remaining) white hope at RB ... who I wouldn't mind seeing replace Portis.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Sween - Now we are getting somewhere....

So YOU TOO want a QB @ #4. And that QB is Clausen....OVER Okung.

Thanks for sharing. I feel Clausen won't make it in the NFL. So, I wouldn't be for that. And if the Rams skip on him, Clausen and Bradford and OKung will be there @ #4.

And you would want Clausen. I would want Bradford, and PSP would want Okung.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan:
-Successful
-Multiple SB wins
-32nd on winning percentage all time (50+ games)
-Knows what he is doing
-Better than Zorn (substantially)

Bruce Allen
-Better than Cerrato(substantially)
-Front office exec of teams that won 10 division titles (in 15 years)
-Son of one of the most successful coaches EVER
-Sporting News executive of the year, 2002

I am not sure what the problem is. Are there any guarantees in life? No. Is Shanahan Lombardi? No. But the Skins currently look like a professional NFL franchise, stocked with people that have run professional NFL franchises. All this bodes well for the future and is a great pair of moves. I find it inconceivable that the Skins would not show improvment. Wait and see.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Loving the "double bullet proof vest" analogy.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What a fun day! Have not caught up on all the post yet. If Gray is retained than his interview with Danny must have been a real HUUUMMMEEERRR.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 6, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

And I think 4th Floor has rained on me so much that he's ignoring my posts directed at him. LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:53 PM

My reponse was on the very 1st post and sweeny continued it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan will hire his son. OK

What else is new eh? Isn't this what coaching is all about? Hiring you sons?

I'm so tired of the old boy network in the NFL. Geeezzzzzz

Hiring a son is a curse. Most of those teams aren't successful. Check the records.

Posted by: kentonsmith | January 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan has succeeded on his own. He has worked his way up to being a very successful OC, without needing his dad to get him a job. He is considered a real up-coming HC also. We are lucky to get him, so forget about the nepotism charges. That only works when you bring in someone who doesn't deserve to get the job. Clearly not the case here.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

Please explain again why Claussen is a good pick for the Skins at #4?

you may have already made your case, but 4th sounds unconvinced.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

How many picks can we conceivably get if we trade out of the first round?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 4:45 PM

Toss in a 4th round pick and you can get Devin Thomas and Fred Davis ... and that was only with a 21st pick. With a #4 pick, I think you also get a ham sandwich.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Mcshay actually has Davis going before Okung.
And I think 4th Floor has rained on me so much that he's ignoring my posts directed at him. LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse
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McShay is an idiot. He's like the TMZ of talent evaluators. His stock rising and falling should just be called The Hotties and the Notties.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

My reponse was on the very 1st post and sweeny continued it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I responded to your very first post but failed to get rained on. LOL
Anyway, I'm done, have a good night everyone!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

HTTR. Clausen lost to Anne Arundel Community College (AKA NAVY) twice in three years. Cannot take him. Bradford's shoulder injury is sketchy. A friend who's a physical therapist says pass on him. Pike throws better/diverse balls than McCoy and can be had later than 4. OL/ trade down. Get Pike later. RB's can be had later: Stafon Johnson, Punchy from Oregon, etc....

Posted by: Realness1 | January 6, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Atleast we have something to look forward to this coming season.

Tracy, Velocity Fulfillment

Posted by: VelocityFulfillment | January 6, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Mcshay actually has Davis going before Okung.
And I think 4th Floor has rained on me so much that he's ignoring my posts directed at him. LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse
McShay might have him ahead of Okung, but it's January, and we haven't had the combine. I'll bet that in the real draft, Okung goes before Davis.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

As OC Kyle Shanahan would report to his father, Mike Shanahan.

how does that NOT potentially present a conflict of interest?

furthermore, Kyle is immediately subject to charges of benefiting from favoritism, whether justified or not, the perception will ALWAYS be there.

or Daddy will treat him worse than he treats his other coaches just to make a point.

seems to me that while having your son around may be a good way to discourage dissent on your staff, I'm not sure that's always a good thing.

if I'm Kyle...

I don't want to come work for my Daddy in Washington. As some have pointed out, he's done well enough on his own.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

McShay might have him ahead of Okung, but it's January, and we haven't had the combine. I'll bet that in the real draft, Okung goes before Davis.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I guarentee it. Most other scouts have Davis listed as a right tackle only and falling to the second round. I wonder what McShay has been watching. Of course all these rankings and logical analysis are useless when Al Davis is drafting.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"If a man experienced in running a football team had been hired and then selected a coach, the feeling here might be different. But when it appears the Redskins have engaged in the same old, same old, the reaction is a yawn."

-MW

BINGO!

The reason Shanahan "bristled" at and then dodged a question about who was going to make final decisions about players was because he's quite aware of his reputation as not being very good at selecting players. And he'll have the final say on players.

The results will be mediocre. Snyder will lose patience and intervene and hire new coahc. Rinse, repeat with new coach.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 6, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

if I'm Kyle...

I don't want to come work for my Daddy in Washington. As some have pointed out, he's done well enough on his own.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:08 PM |

But you're not and he clearly stated that is exactly what he wants to do. The first part of your statement I could give a sh!t less about as long as they win.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

and if they lose?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I read where Kyle said he wanted to come work for his dad WHEREVER his dad eventually landed.

As for the father/child dynamic, I wouldn't automatically dismiss it. It's worked well in other venues - Marty Schottenheimer/Brian Schottenheimer, Frank Perdue/Jim Perdue, Sy Syms/Marcy Syms, I'm sure there are others.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I love a good cynic because they prove everything of what's wrong in life...

Posted by: 4thFloor

Thanks ever so for your thoughts on Cynicism. Here's what a few others say:

“No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up”—Lilly Tomlin

“Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist” --George Carlin

“What is the use of straining after an amiable view of things, when a cynical view is most likely to be the true one?” --George Bernard Shaw

False hope really makes you cynical”—Bill Maher

“A cynic is a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, and not as they ought to be.”-- 
Ambrose Bierce

“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.”-- George Bernard Shaw


I can't IMAGINE why there are so many Cynics on RI....

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

if I'm Kyle...

I don't want to come work for my Daddy in Washington. As some have pointed out, he's done well enough on his own.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Or.....

He comes here for final grooming to become a future HC. He gets an opportunity to see if he can coexist with Snyder.

The floor is already pretty low here. If Kyle is part of a turnaround and some sustained success here, his resume will only look stronger.

Posted by: ksquare | January 6, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

and after having been around John Elway, I can't help but think that Jason Campbell doesn't fit the QB bill either.

POSTED BY: Chia_Pet

I would imagine 99% of ALL QBs who’ve played in the NFL don’t fit the QB bill either, if Shanahan is basing his hopes on Elway’s performance

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

If they lose I still don't care about cries of favoritism or conflicts of interest. Then I'll care about a replacement.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

And then there's this:

"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin." - H. L. Mencken

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Is the cult of Colt dead now? We do have a prolific, cocky, QB on IR but I haven't noted m/any posts on him.

Is the thinking that he showed his cards last preseason and they aren't strong enough or that he's just going to go on IR after the first Dallas or Giants game each season?

Posted by: Cookie4 | January 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

if a matt ryan were available at 4 in the 2010 draft, i might be tempted to take him...the fact is, none of these names even approaches what ryan represented in 2008.

that said, JC was firmly in the middle (statistically) of the 32 starting QBs in 2009 and both shanny and allen have commented that they think JC's best football's ahead of him.

wouldn't it be nice to see him play behind a solid O-line and with a running attack that's in the top 10 in the league?

Posted by: ratay1 | January 6, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen it reported here, and the photos from the press conference are inconclusive, but did Shanahan update his tanning booth setting from "Bronco orange" to "Redskin burgundy"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Apologies to ChiaPet--just saw same question on Brennan.

Posted by: Cookie4 | January 6, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

On Shanny draft picks, 5 guys made it to Pro Bowls, Portis and Deltha O'Neal made it twice, while Ian Gold, Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall each made it once. Haven't counted 2009 Pro Bowls in this.

12 of his 50 picks taken from 2000-2005 have become starters for 3 or more seasons.

When picking from 1-50 in the draft, 9 of 12 guys he picked are multi-year starters. From 51-100, 6 of 14 picks have become multi-year starters.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Well I suppose Kyle loves his Dad very much.

He's gonna need to draw on every ounce of that love, cuz working for Daddy ain't gonna be all that.

there's stressful times ahead.

and I'm curious what benefit Kyle believes working for his pops, as opposed to someone else, will afford him?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And you would want Clausen. I would want Bradford, and PSP would want Okung.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2010 4:54 PM

Almost ... I would want Suh before Clausen ... and frankly, I don't really want Clausen that much, but if they took Clausen, I would concede that it wouldn't show that the new boss is the same as the old boss (which was the only point I was trying to make ... that the only sign that things have really changed depends on whether they go for QB or OL).

Clausen, to me, just seems like the best combination of (1) having enough games under his belt, (2) quick read on whether his first receiver shouldn't be, (3) connecting on the second or third guy rather than checking down, unless (4) secondary traffic is a nightmare, in which case he checks down deep with an overthrow or plausibly out of bounds, rather than take a sack ... plus (5) he CAN run the ball and (6) his college career was not in a spread offense. Bradford's injuries (2) are from not getting rid of the ball quickly enough. I conceded that Bradford has had more success with the win-loss column, and I despise the Notre Dame legacy almost as much as I do Dallas (that's just me ... lots of local talent that SHOULD go into the Big Ten goes to Notre Dame), so I really just see Clausen as the best of the group (that came out) rather than someone I'd want to see in a Skins uniform ... like I would Suh. Have you seen the youtubery of Suh as a goal-line FB, including his receiving TDs? His pick six?

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Are there any guarantees in life? No.

Posted by: Posted by: amaranthpa


Actually, there are two. (1) "No matter what you believe a woman is thinking, your are mistaken, and (2) Dan Snyder always picks the wrong guy for the Redskins.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse


Shanahan:
-Successful -- well, sort of, see Wilbon.
-Multiple SB wins -- a long time ago
-32nd on winning percentage all time (50+ games) -- that's really good?
-Knows what he is doing -- as a head coach clearly yes
-Better than Zorn (substantially) -- absolutely yes!

Bruce Allen
-Better than Cerrato(substantially) -- absolutely yes!
-Front office exec of teams that won 10 division titles -- was he running those teams and calling the shots though?
-Son of one of the most successful coaches EVER -- who cares?
-Sporting News executive of the year, 2002 -- great!

I am not sure what the problem is. -- read Wilbon's column; the guy in charge of personnel isn't Bruce Allen, it's Shanahan.

Is Shanahan Lombardi? No. =-- He's not Bobby Beathard either.

But the Skins currently look like a professional NFL franchise, stocked with people that have run professional NFL franchises. -- I agree!

All this bodes well for the future and is a great pair of moves. -- Disagree!

I find it inconceivable that the Skins would not show improvment. Wait and see. -- Agree but how much lower could they go anyway?

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

JLC predicting on NFL Network that CP days are numbered. I don't care about the cap hit(if there is one) , he's poison.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | January 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I would imagine 99% of ALL QBs who’ve played in the NFL don’t fit the QB bill either, if Shanahan is basing his hopes on Elway’s performance.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2010 5:20 PM

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Your missing the point.

It's not that the Elway standard is an unfair one.

It may very well be

but championship teams have a great QB at the helm, with few exceptions.

Shanny's gonna need that type of QB, and I suspect he knows it.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Well I suppose Kyle loves his Dad very much.

He's gonna need to draw on every ounce of that love, cuz working for Daddy ain't gonna be all that.

there's stressful times ahead.

and I'm curious what benefit Kyle believes working for his pops, as opposed to someone else, will afford him?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:
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makes sense, Shanny did not want to get fired. son feels guilty for not working for his dad but for someone else. family, being together, helping dad. got it?

Posted by: Skins2 | January 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

... Pike throws better/diverse balls than McCoy and can be had later than 4. OL/ trade down. Get Pike later. ...

Posted by: Realness1 | January 6, 2010 5:01 PM

That's my QB choice actually (and I do agree they are ready to get a 2nd/3rd round QB to start learning whatever it is Shanahan wants to do over the next couple of years). I'm not a college scout, so all I have to go on is vibe watching on line videos, but Pike, to me, seems like he could be the Skins' Flacco.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

you're not your

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

JLC predicting on NFL Network that CP days are numbered. I don't care about the cap hit(if there is one) , he's poison.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | January 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Did he mention anything about Barno's CD?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 6, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

may I had, portis seems to have lost a "burst", to the list of overused phrases with no way to prove its validity

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

family, being together, helping dad. got it?

Posted by: Skins2 | January 6, 2010 5:31 PM

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family is family.

and business is business.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Are there any guarantees in life? No.

Posted by: Posted by: amaranthpa

Actually, there are two. (1) "No matter what you believe a woman is thinking, your are mistaken, and (2) Dan Snyder always picks the wrong guy for the Redskins.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2010 5:28 PM

There is one more ... "No matter hot cute or hot she is, you can guarantee that there is some guy out there who is sick of her sh!t."

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should just skip the pick. Whoever we get at 4 is gonna not be worth the pick, or not meet our overall team needs so we can immediately win 14 games next year.

Yeah, just keep not picking until we down to a level where the guy we get might have a chance to help us without having to win by himself. If we pick at 4, its clear that guy isn't gonna be the right guy.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 6, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Allen and Shanny say Soups best days are ahead; however, they do not mention what team that is with; from the NFL to the CFL, UFL, etc. Hedge.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 6, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

family is family.

and business is business.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:34 PM

And Coy Gibbs, Brian Schottenheimer, and both Ryan brothers were fired by their dad.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

if you were going into to coach a 4-12 team would you want the 14th best QB in the NFL who is the offensive capt of said team OR a top college prospect?

I'm sticking with JC as a coach AND I'm tendering him an offer as a GM (cya)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

family is family.

and business is business.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:34 PM |

Kyle had the 3rd rated offense in 2008 and the 4th in 2009 he is coming here because he wants to coach with his dad, but don't act like he is not qualified.

The last time the Skins had an offense ranked in the top 5 was 1999.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The point NOT made by anyone is that Elway got to (and lost) three Superbowls with otherwise deficient teams - no size, no speed on D, suspect RBs. Elway would be in the HOF w/o the two SB wins (Kelly made it with 4 SB losses on teams that were comparitively stacked). Yes, the two SB teams relied heavily on the running game which is a positive. But he had the generation's Johnny Unitas at the helm.

I'm am not buying the drama that is being sold quite yet. The fans were sued, the signs censored and the prices highway robbery. NO IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE IN A DECADE in terms of getting folks in and out of the stadium in anywhere near a reasonable timeframe. It is the same winning the offseason Superbowl at this point - but with a bit more expressed humility given the well-earned animosity towards the owner. Too much butt kissing to the man who is giving you $35M - probably $20M more than any other sane owner would pay you. Lifelong fan. Not won back at all by this move. I Won't Get Fooled Again.

Regards -

hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 6, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should just skip the pick. ...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 6, 2010 5:37 PM

... but it is an interesting question (probably wouldn't come up with the current owner ... maybe in Buffalo) ... I wonder whether, if you skip a pick, you can pick when you're ready or whether you have to wait till your next one comes up ... some teams that perennielly (sp?) pick in the top five, like Detroit, have to be getting overloaded with the bloated contracts that a top pick can demand. I wonder if Detroit could say "we just want to wait till we get down into the range we can afford."

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

We all worship Joe Gibbs, but ignore every lesson he taught the franchise, which has lead us to the bottom of the bucket. Hopefully Allen/Shanahan will be more thoughtful. A great offensive line and unified team spirit allowed the 'Skins to win three Superbowls with three different QB's. I would say none of these QB's were any better than Jason Campbell, in fact, they were all probably very similar, i.e. middle of the road yet effective. But Shanahan's view of how to win a Superbowl likely rests on finding a legendary QB, i.e. without a top five QB we can't win it all. Maybe, but probably not. We can easily win with Campbell, drafting some kid sets us back years or a decade if he's a bust. Here's to hoping that Allen/Shanahan realize they don't have to recreate the Denver Broncos to bring back the 'Skins glory days. Finding another Elway = impossible. Trying to win the Redskins way = highly likely, and very soon.

Posted by: Mdotty | January 6, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

And Coy Gibbs, Brian Schottenheimer, and both Ryan brothers were fired by their dad.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:38 PM

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I dunno.

If and when Kyle underperforms, will his Dad have the courage to fire him?

Welcome to the Shanahan and Son Show.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Too much butt kissing to the man who is giving you $35M - probably $20M more than any other sane owner would pay you. Lifelong fan. Not won back at all by this move. I Won't Get Fooled Again.

Regards -

hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 6, 2010 5:43 PM |

BS he was paid 7mil a year when he was in Denver. Dallas would have paid just as much.

Danny actually got him for a deal when do you move jobs and get the same amount of pay per year.

Cowher who has less of a resume than Shanny is asking in the 10mil a year range.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

And I would have been happier to see Russ Grimm hired. Somehow I think the beer at the stadium will have a Shanahan surtax added to them to help pay his exorbitant salary - you know for the three years after he is fired but Danny is still paying him - to an even $10/heiny.

Disgust moved to apathy this season and is heading towards indifference - the cruelest felling of all.

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 6, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

If you skip your pick (or miss it) you can pick whenever you want after that, I believe. You are just in a race with the team that is on the clock next. This happened with the Vikings a couple of years ago when the clock ran out on one of their picks before they made it.

Posted by: manlius1 | January 6, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Where did I say that Kyle was not qualified to be OC of the Washington Redskins?

He may very well be preeminently qualified.

I just don't think it's a good idea.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota inadvertently skipped their pick one year...and they got to go next. I think what happens is once the clock expires on their official pick, they can jump to the head of the line.

I think Minn had the 13th, the clock expired, whoever was next at 14 got their pick in to get then 13th player chosen, and then Minn picked 14th. Details may be off, but this is what happened.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 6, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

For the record:

The Houston Texans had the first ranked passing offense, and the 30th ranked rushing offense, and they MISSED the playoffs.

just sayin'

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Danny actually got him for a deal when do you move jobs and get the same amount of pay per year".

Oh, it's better than that.

Denver is picking up appx. 2.5 million of Shanny's new annual salary for a couple of years, part of the money he is owed from them.

Posted by: ksquare | January 6, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1545117

Here is the actual details...they actually lost two spots as the other teams bum rushed the podium to get their pick done asap.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 6, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Where did I say that Kyle was not qualified to be OC of the Washington Redskins?

He may very well be preeminently qualified.

I just don't think it's a good idea.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:49 PM

Well I guess we will see how it works you may be right.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

There is too much speculation going on.. none of us know what's going to happen, it's all assumptions. This time next year hopefully we'll be in a better position, that's all we can do is hope.

Posted by: wescaddle1 | January 6, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

There is too much speculation going on...

Posted by: wescaddle1 | January 6, 2010 5:53 PM

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This is RI.

I'd say we need more up here.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase a deceased former resident of DC, "Its morning in Redskin land again".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 6, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Well I suppose Kyle loves his Dad very much.

He's gonna need to draw on every ounce of that love, cuz working for Daddy ain't gonna be all that.

there's stressful times ahead.

and I'm curious what benefit Kyle believes working for his pops, as opposed to someone else, will afford him?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 5:26 PM |

I wouldn't want to work for my Father. I love him but that would be rough.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Speculation about the best game of the weekend ... Green Bay at Arizona.

Speculation about the least watchable game of the weekend ... two NFC East teams not called the Skins.

Speculation about brutal pounding by a wild card team to knock out a #3 seed ... Baltimore at New England.

The other game ... Jets at Bengals.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Jets @ Bengals is lowest scoring game of the weekend ... speculatively.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe what Shanahans selling when speaking about Campbell. He's speaking coach speak trying to cover himself. At best he knows he needs a backup. But its been clear that he wants a fresh QB to groom and its also clear the Redskins don't believe Campbell is their guy.

It does no good for Campbell to sign an one year deal with the Skins. He'll either sit, if the draft a QB at #4 (no one sits a #4 for a year or two anymore) or get beat up for another season. There is simply no upside. If no team wants to give a pick, and none will this offseason, then he goes into a test of wills mode. Basically says release me outright or I simply don't play this year.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | January 6, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

elkiii_2008,

No CBA, so JC17 will be a RFA. The Skins will tender an offer, so we will get picks if he signs elsewhere. Odds are he will have to take the offer unless Rams, Raiders, Browns decide he is their man and want to part with picks to get him.

I agree you don't draft a QB at #4 and let him sit. But luckily Shanny knows more about football that the posters here like you and me.

He recognizes what the problems with this team are O-line and non-team players. He's been reviewing the for several months. He will address both. They will either take LT @ #4 or trade down for more picks.

I think they will trade down if at all possible. They need 2 OL, FS, RB and QB.
The first 4 are priorities. Campbell takes the pressure off at QB and they can draft someone in rounds 2-4 and develop him.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

wow, i can't believe posters would complain that the ri blog is having some tech difficulties. get a life. wapo staff is overworked and underpaid, it's something called commitment, and I for one appreciate that.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 6, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Why would they draft Bradford with the OL in the shapes its in. He dislocates his shoulder every time the wind blows as it is now. If the kid gets under center with our OL, his shoulder and the rest of his arm will be on the 50 yard line by halftime.

Posted by: clark202 | January 6, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I guess no one in the DC media had the stones to ask if Shanny brings back Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: The_Spear | January 6, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

There is too much speculation going on...

Posted by: wescaddle1

Do you get the concept of this blog?

Complaining about speculation here is like going to a bar and complaining about too much drinking.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"There is too much speculation going on.. none of us know what's going to happen, it's all assumptions."


You got that right, buddy.

When you're 4-12, assuming, guessing, reading tea leaves, and whining is all you can do.

We are looking for Mr. Goodbar in a used to be bronco.

Hope is all we got.

Otherwise, reality pimp smacks you in the face:

Love'em or hate'm, the Dallas Cowboys are the NFC East Division Champs.

Love'em or hate'm, the Philadelphia Eagles are poised to make another Super Bowl Run.

Love it or hate it, we've changed coaches-again-and all the usual promises of 'structure,' 'discipline,' and 'return to excellence' are bandied about before snapping cameras and an expectant fanbase.

We've become like the barfly who believes the smooth-talkin' chatta emanating from Mike Shanahan is worth letting him have his way with us.

But somehow we all fear all that's gonna happen is that we're just gonna get screwed.

Again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"We were looking for a man who was passionate about football," Allen said.

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Yeah, good thing. It'd be a world of hurt if he had said "we were looking for a guy that was passionate about cheese fries".

Lot's of passion speak out at ol Redskin Park today. Sure beats the alternative.

Posted by: TheDubb | January 6, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

maybe shanny looked at the stats and watched the games and decided Campbell had an amazing season considering the enivorns. Maybe he saw that Campbell has inproved every season despite the environs. maybe he saw that our back up QB is 38 yrs old and our 3rd stringer has only proven to have bad hips.

maybe he saw GLARING needs at O line, RB, and FS. maybe he saw bradfords injury report.

maybe the fans who have been all over Campbell are just angry and emotional and reacting to our lack of success.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

i really don't think that the non-team players like Portis and Hanyney are the problem

talent counts as much as it is denied up here, the only thing you can't coach is athletic talent

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Skins introduce a new HC and RI only has one thread over the last 3 hrs? What the hell's going on around here? :)

Posted by: skinswest | January 6, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

pabrian = Jason Campbell's agent?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

wapo staff is overworked and underpaid, it's something called commitment, and I for one appreciate that.

Posted by: BMACattack


..the writings of a disgruntled former employee?.....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

WaPo sports section has no local competition and will not be pushed, therefore they will become worse.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Yep. The Times folded their sports section, so the WaPo now has even less competition.

But even before that, the WaPo is always late getting the breaking news (on the Redskins anyway).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

WaPo sports section has no local competition and will not be pushed, therefore they will become worse.


...kind of like a running back that has a guaranteed contract and an intimate relationship with the owner....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Someone posted somthing about you need a great QB to win a Superbowl. Here are all the winners of the Superbowl.

Bart Starr, HOF
Joe Namath, HOF
Len Dawson, HOF
Johnny Unitas, HOF
Roger Staubach, HOF
Bob Griese, HOF
Terry Bradshaw, HOF
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Joe Montana, HOF
Joe Theismann,
Jim McMahon,
Phil Simms,
Doug Williams,
Jeff Hostetler,
Mark Rypien,
Troy Aikman, HOF
Steve Young, HOF
Brett Favre, (Will be HOF)
John Elway, HOF
Kurt Warner, (will NOT be HOF)
Trent Dilfer,
Tom Brady, (Will be HOF)
Brad Johnson,
Ben Roethlisberger, (May be HOF)
Peyton Manning, (Will be HOF)
Eli Manning, (50/50 HOF)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

1. Global warming is total BS, Sorry Al Gore and Michael Moore. I'm in FL and should not be freezing my tucas off.

I recommend sticking to football, and such as.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

.and Global warming is full of scientists that fudge the data, are biased, and unethical.........


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN: "They pick fifth in April's draft. The could have picked third, but instead ended Haley's rookie year on a rousing high by beating Denver 44-24 in the season finale."

I would like to take this opp to thank KC for:

1. Beating the Skins.
2. Winning their last game.

We owe you dudes.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

How one site ranks the college QBs some are underclassmen who will not be coming out (like Locker)

1. Jimmy Clausen
2. Jake Locker
3. Sam Bradford
4. Tim Tebow
5. Ryan Mallett
6. Jevan Snead
7. Tony Pike
8. Christian Ponder
9. Jarrett Brown
10. Pat Devlin
11. Jonathan Crompton
12. Colt McCoy
13. Zac Robinson
14. Bill Stull
15. Sean Canfield
16. Max Hall
17. Tim Hiller
18. John Skelton
19. Chris Turner
20. Dan LeFevour
21. Ryan Perrilloux

I would expect we draft someone like Robinson, Hiller or LeFevour in rounds 5-7

All are big guys (6'3"+) with good arms.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll repeat from last night:

Global warming is total BS, Sorry Al Gore and Michael Moore. I'm in FL and should not be freezing my tucas off.

AND it is supposed to be even colder this weekend! SJK!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. Most of the guys on that list are either in the HOF or headed there.

Also, I think Kurt Warner may be in the HOF one day. Same goes for Phil Simms.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Aright Clinton, you may need to drop about 10-15 pounds to get into shape that you were in while at Denver.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | January 6, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Aright Clinton, you may need to drop about 10-15 pounds to get into the shape that you were in while at Denver.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | January 6, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

It's climate change, not global warming.

And don't confuse climate with weather.

Posted by: NattyBo1985 | January 6, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

maybe shanny looked at the stats and watched the games and decided Campbell had an amazing season considering the enivorns. Maybe he saw that Campbell has inproved every season despite the environs. maybe he saw that our back up QB is 38 yrs old and our 3rd stringer has only proven to have bad hips.

maybe he saw GLARING needs at O line, RB, and FS. maybe he saw bradfords injury report.

maybe the fans who have been all over Campbell are just angry and emotional and reacting to our lack of success.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 6:54 PM

Pab-

Shanny doesn't give a Rat's face about stats. He said he is going to go back and watch all the FILM on JC and determine if he is the type of QB he can win with. If we draft a QB early that would lead you to believe that he has determined that JC doesn't have the necessary skill set to win with.

Either way JC will be tendered and either provide compensation via a draft pick, be a bridge to a rookie, or be given a legitimate shot to be the long-term solution.

There is only two guys in this draft that fit the MOLD of a Shanny QB: Clausen (4th overall) and McCoy (2-4th rd).

Bradford plays in a spread offense, has limited mobility, and average arm strength. If Locker came out he would be the guy, maybe next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

WaPo sports section has no local competition and will not be pushed, therefore they will become worse.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2010 7:19 PM |

ESPN could decide to open a DC website the way they did with LA, Dal and Chi. Then WaPo would shut down its Sports sec the same way it shut down Style. WaPo is heading towards doing just hardcore news if it survives, which is by no means guaranteed.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

It's climate change, not global warming.

And don't confuse climate with weather.

Posted by: NattyBo1985 | January 6, 2010 8:16 PM

And don't confuse noonefromtampa with someone who knows what they're talking about.

Posted by: mack1 | January 6, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

There is only two guys in this draft that fit the MOLD of a Shanny QB: Clausen (4th overall) and McCoy (2-4th rd).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:16 PM |

Don't know why he would be interested in McCoy - he is just like Brad with a weaker arm. Shan likes play action which Camp is not very good at. He has too much trouble disentangling from crouch under center.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

We got more post when they cut Suisham, then we do when the team hires a new coach.

JR why dont you do a post about the short field goal the Suisham missed last week for Dallas.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Keep Portis and have him return punts.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It's climate change, not global warming.

And don't confuse climate with weather.

Posted by: NattyBo1985 | January 6, 2010 8:16 PM |

Hey, dude. The weatherman has a message 4 you. Climate.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Climate change is oxymoronic

like climate is a steady state item not subject to entropy and chaos theory

stick that in wikipedia and learn something mack1

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

so for the record

LH and I agree on Claussen so that means he'll be an HOFer QB cuz we hardly ever agree on a QB.

and 4th thinks that sam bradford with a bad arm is the next manning (eli i think)

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't know why he would be interested in McCoy - he is just like Brad with a weaker arm. Shan likes play action which Camp is not very good at. He has too much trouble disentangling from crouch under center.


Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 8:25 PM

He would like his mobility and the fact that he is a winner, similar to Jake the Snake.

He would hate his below average arm strength. If he's available in the 4th (long shot) and we hopefully will have passed on a QB in the 1st & 2nd then he would be our pick. I’m not campaigning for any of the QBs…Just sayin

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I say we take Tebow if he's available early. Build excitement by playing him in the preseason, sell jerseys. Experiment with him at other positions -- especially "teams," where he could be the holder for fake field goals and then ACCURATELY put the ball in Yoder's hands in the endzone. He could spell Sellers at fullback. He could defend on kickoffs or punt returns. Endless possibilities, and come on, he's going to be the most exciting player entering the NFL next season, so why shouldn't the Redskins own a piece of that?

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I tell you this much....

I trust Shanahan/Allen picking a QB in the first round rather than Cerrato/Zorn

Why are you all scared of a first round QB?

Because we need so much...I would pick the best player available at #4.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:39 PM

You had me until you mentioned the word accurate. Hunter the punter is more accurate.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If Sny could bust moves, as soon as 2008 was finished he would have

1. Fired Ceratto.
2. Hired Allen.
3. Fired Z.
4. Hired Shan.
5. Outbid Chi for Cut.

All before draft time. Then we would be several legs up on where we are now.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

option 1: jimmy claussen
option 2: OL
option 3: trade down

anything else i'd be disappointed...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:39 PM

You had me until you mentioned the word accurate. Hunter the punter is more accurate.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse
___________________

Hunter didn't even SEE Yoder on that swinging gate thing.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Because we need so much...I would pick the best player available at #4.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 8:42 PM |

If "need so much" is the operative pairadime then shouldn't we trade down to get more picks to sat more needs?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I tell you this much....

I trust Shanahan/Allen picking a QB in the first round rather than Cerrato/Zorn

Why are you all scared of a first round QB?

Because we need so much...I would pick the best player available at #4.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 8:42 PM

What you said..

Because we need so much...I would pick the best player available at #4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...and about Sam Bradford and people being scared of his shoulder...

Adrian Peterson broke his collarbone in his last season at Oklahoma....

Case closed!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:39 PM

You had me until you mentioned the word accurate. Hunter the punter is more accurate.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse
___________________

Hunter didn't even SEE Yoder on that swinging gate thing.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 8:46 PM

John Elway couldn't have completed the swinging gate play.

No to Tebow. Unless he was an undrafted FA, then we could give a chance to play TE/FB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen it reported here, and the photos from the press conference are inconclusive, but did Shanahan update his tanning booth setting from "Bronco orange" to "Redskin burgundy"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nate, at least he didn't come out in the maroon and black!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry noonefromtampa. Had I known you had access to an online encyclopedia I never would suggested you know nothing.

Posted by: mack1 | January 6, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...and about Sam Bradford and people being scared of his shoulder...

Adrian Peterson broke his collarbone in his last season at Oklahoma....

Case closed!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 8:49 PM

I couldn't have agreed more with your post from yesterday and I feel the exact opposite about this.

AP is a physical freak while Bradford is physically challenged.

Leinart: 1st pick, went back to school...10th pick, well on his way to being at the very least below avg

Bradford: 1st pick, went back to school...got hurt and will have a similar career path.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry noonefromtampa. Had I known you had access to an online encyclopedia I never would suggested you know nothing.

Posted by: mack1 | January 6, 2010 8:53 PM

That was a double slam invoking loserpedia

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should just skip the pick. ...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 6, 2010 5:37 PM

... but it is an interesting question (probably wouldn't come up with the current owner ... maybe in Buffalo) ... I wonder whether, if you skip a pick, you can pick when you're ready or whether you have to wait till your next one comes up ... some teams that perennielly (sp?) pick in the top five, like Detroit, have to be getting overloaded with the bloated contracts that a top pick can demand. I wonder if Detroit could say "we just want to wait till we get down into the range we can afford."

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse
Even if you fail to make a selection, you can still make it at any time. We saw that a couple of years ago in the draught. Someone was sleeping at the switch, another team jumped up and took a pick. But first team was able to make their selection immediately after that.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Feel the love.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

We got more post when they cut Suisham, then we do when the team hires a new coach.

JR why dont you do a post about the short field goal the Suisham missed last week for Dallas.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse
-------------------
HILARIOUS!!!
Did suisham miss one? how long? I mean, he was 18/21 with us. Most accurate EVER!! Of course he wasn't allowed to attempt longer than 42yds. Him and JR still text!

Posted by: AdamCr | January 6, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse


ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, the season ending rearview mirror edition, brought to you this time and every time by the finest folks at Yahoo!

All in all, the best thing that can be said about DEBACLE ’09 ® is that it is over. Most of the people in charge, with one notable exception, will change. Two of the most incompetent and uninspiring people at their jobs are already gone (exec VP and HC). It really is over.

Simply put, reasonable management competence in 2010 will mean that DEBACLE ’09 ® will – hopefully -- be thought of as ABBERATION ’09 ®.

Which brings me, the 2009 Peeps FF league champion (yeah, I’ll be weaving that in often), to one other piece of unfinished business.

Prior to the start of the 2009 season, I raised a bunch of issues that I thought would be keys to this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, part 2

How’d I do? Here goes …

1.
Comment: The OL is the key to this story.
Result: Check

2.
Comment: The defense (preseason) seemed to play as less than the sum of its parts. Landry, in particular, looked out of position as the free safety.
Result: Check, though the defense was worse than my downside estimate

3.
Comment: Our depth on defense will cover up a few dings.
Result: Mixed, it wasn’t injuries that undermined this defense.

4.
Comment: The offense is really where this team will succeed or fail.
Result: Check

5.
Comment: The most important player on our entire team is Santana Moss. When healthy, Moss is among the top 10 WRs in the league (and would be top 5 if he didn't have so many drops). But once his hammy tweaks, he's more like the 50th best WR and the Skins offense becomes very limited.
Result: Mostly wrong. Moss led the team in yards by a lot, but that is faint praise. He came up small and that was part of why the offense was ineffective. The times when the Skins offense was effective, Moss usually wasn’t key. His head was the issue, not his hammy.

6.
Comment: The OL is the equivalent of a car engine for this team. When a car starts blowing engine parts, its not long before the whole jalopy comes to a halt. Or in this case, Thomas, Heyer and Samuels. It feels like a case of 'when', not 'if' our OL starts to crumble. Our OL depth is frightening.
Result: Check

7.
Comment: Campbell is a fine QB if he has time to throw the ball.
Result: Mixed. Did he ever have time this year? His stats were better than in 2008. He finished in the middle in passer rating, ran effectively and was incredibly durable (not something to underestimate). Even with all that, there is no way around one important fact: he regressed.

8.
Comment: One of these years, Portis will go out there and he'll have nothing to give. I don't expect that year to be 2009, but it’s never easy to predict.
Result: hedged bet, hedged check

9.
Comment: This heavy sigh is for you, Jim Zorn. I've not been impressed with some of the decisions you've made. Suffice to say, I'm not sold on Jim Zorn.
Result: Check. I was as down as anyone on Zorn, and he was still worse than I expected.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

on the draft watch NFLN (if you can) esp. the coaches show which has former HCs and GMs giving their opinion.

Everyone has pretty much said the same thing. Since 2000, due to the salary cap increases the FA market is very limited and often overpriced. The draft should be the main focus of the team.

Draft priorities for early rounds 1-2 are
1. OL
2. DL
3. Impact Players
4. Skill Players

Impact players are people like Champ Baily, Sean Taylor, Adrian Peterson and Brian Orakpo.

Skill Players QB, WR, TE & RB can be found for value in the middle rounds 3,4,5

QBs, TEs & WRs need a year to learn the system and timings. RBs are plug and play if your OL is good enough [See Denver].

That is the synopsis of what has been said.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse


ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, Part 3

10.
Comment: If things go bad at some point, this isn't the character locker room of recent seasons. Zorn struggled with handling character issues last season, it might be tougher this year.
Result: Check. I was one of the very few voices on this blog to express concerns about the character issue post-Gibbs -- and got tons of disagreement. The Boswell piece posted on January 5 gives excellent insight into how much character issues hurt this team.

11.
Comment: Defense gets 6 wins, the health of the offense dictates whether we get 6 more wins. If the OL holds up for 16 games, 12-4. If it holds up for 8 games, 9-7. If it falls apart early on, 7-9.
Result: Wrong. The OL fell apart early, so 7-9 was the prediction. Still, I never thought this team would be this bad.

And that's a wrap on the season ending, DEBACLE ’09 ® edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

good job zeke!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

broadcast alert NCCA-MB

Cornell leading #1 Kansas

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

KC has upgraded their coaching staff today with Weis and Crennel

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nate, at least he didn't come out in the maroon and black!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 8:51 PM

If he had, he would have counted as half a Rooney Rule interview.

Posted by: League-Source | January 6, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"Top 10 passer ratings from this season...
TWO were top 5 draft picks. Two. Six weren't even drafted in the first round."

Again: the great 'savior' quarterback doesn't come along every draft.

Smart teams make sure that whomever is playing quarterback is placed in the best possible situation: o-line, rushing attack, receivers, a defense that gets turnovers, and good special teams.

Fans who hate on Jason Campbell forget that a singular advantage in Shanny as coach is that he will draw up plays that reflect what Campbell can do best.

We saw this season that when Sherm Lewis came in, Campbell played better simply when the play calling improved.

So let's not obsess over college quarterbacks just yet--although one should be drafted.

Let's hope our GM finds the kind of undrafted and mid round gems the chargers put on the field Sunday that beat Vinny's high round drafted starters.

Let's hope Mr. Allen and Shanahan put together a good offensive line and a two tight end-based passing attack that uses a rotation of backs to run the ball--even if that means Clinton Portis.

Let's hope the first move is to re-sign Jason Campbell and give him time to play behind a gelling offensive line while his replacement is groomed on the bench.

If Campbell prospers, we all win.

And if he doesn't, he's gone and his replacement steps into a situation better than what he had.

And in that way, we all win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

A BIG thanks goes out to yahoo, who has brought us ZEEK'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. I have enjoyed them all season. And a special "You go, Girl" goes out to zcezcest1 for your careful insights throughout the season. Kisses!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Is Shanahan an upgrade compared to Cerrato in drafting players? Here are Skins and Bronco picks, rds 1-2, from 2000-2008. Skins picks have an *

Top 10
*Arrington
*Samuels
*ST21
*LaRon
*Carlos Rogers

11-20
Cutler
Clady
Deltha O’Neal,
DJ Williams
Jarvis Moss
Ashley Lelie

*Rod Gardner

21-32
George Foster
Willie Middlebrooks

*Jason Campbell
*Patrick Ramsey

Round 2
Ian Gold
Tatum Bell
Eddie Royal
Kenoy Kennedy
Paul Toviessi
Clinton Portis
Terry Pierce
Darius Watts
Darrent Williams
Tim Crowder
Tony Scheffler

*Devin Thomas
*Rocky Mc
*Taylor Jacobs
*Smoot
*Fred Davis
*Malcolm Kelly
*Betts

Round 3
Ryan Harris
Chris Cole
Karl Paymah
Jeremy LeSueur
Reggie Hayward
Dorsett Davis
Domonique Foxworth
Maurice Clarett

*Lloyd Harrison
*Rashad Bauman
*Chris Cooley
*Derrick Dockery
*Cliff Russell
*Chad Rinehart

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"KC has upgraded their coaching staff today with Weis and Crennel..."


The chiefs will be a good team in shirt time.

In fact, the texans, dolphins, browns, jets, panthers, and ravens will all be much improved next year.

Will the mighty redskins be in that number?

I'd wager a yes to that question.

Provided, of course, if I'm betting someone else's money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

A BIG thanks goes out to yahoo, who has brought us ZEEK'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. I have enjoyed them all season. And a special "You go, Girl" goes out to zcezcest1 for your careful insights throughout the season. Kisses!

Posted by: frediefritz |

Ummmmm ....Ummmmmm ........ Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"So let's not obsess over college quarterbacks just yet--although one should bedrafted."

Moe-

Which QB and which one of our 5 picks should we use?

Please don't say the 6'6 205 lb Tony Pike. He is immobile, has a weak arm, plays in the spread, and should have been completely exposed to the amateur GMs on RI against the gators.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

A BIG thanks goes out to yahoo, who has brought us ZEEK'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. I have enjoyed them all season. And a special "You go, Girl" goes out to zcezcest1 for your careful insights throughout the season. Kisses!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 9:35 PM
====================================================
Sounds like a serious man crush!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"The most important player on our entire team is Santana Moss. When healthy, Moss is among the top 10 WRs in the league (and would be top 5 if he didn't have so many drops)."


It's a sad thing when your best receiver has so many drops.

I personally think Moss is a small receiver not used properly.

The guy should be in motion or placed in the slot a la Welker.

Otherwise in a world of A Johnsons, B Marshalls, V Jacksons, D Driver, S Rice, R Waynes, and D Jacksons, Santana Moss is very ordinary and easy to cover.

I think Shanny will make a cold decision regarding Kelly and Thomas: in year 3, one of these guys should be ready to 'step up'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 6, 2010 5:28 PM

Shanahan:
-Successful -- well, sort of, see Wilbon. -- the record speaks for itself. He wins more than he loses.
-Multiple SB wins -- a long time ago -- and?
-32nd on winning percentage all time (50+ games) -- that's really good? -- Yes for all time. Not quite Lombardi good but nothing to sniff at.


Bruce Allen
-Front office exec of teams that won 10 division titles -- was he running those teams and calling the shots though? -- I don't think he was just sitting picking his nose.
-Son of one of the most successful coaches EVER -- who cares? -- Can a pedigree help? See Manning, Archie, Peyton, Eli

I am not sure what the problem is. -- read Wilbon's column; the guy in charge of personnel isn't Bruce Allen, it's Shanahan.

Is Shanahan Lombardi? No. =-- He's not Bobby Beathard either. -- Beatherd did not exactly have final say. Gibbs kept players longer than Beatherd wanted in many cases. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. And as good as Beatherd (with Gibbs) was in DC, he was at times really lousy in SD (Leaf was obviously his worst move). Point is, somebody has to make the final decisions. Shanahan said he wanted someone to disagree with him and that he has reflected on his departure from the Broncos. He also said he was going to spend time and be careful about putting together a staff. Is there a danger that he won't take counsel, make horrible decisions on personnel and fail? Sure. That is true with every team. His history suggests that despite his lack of personnel expertise, he still can win twice as many games a year as we are used to here and be in the playoff hunt consistently. If he has actually learned anything from his past experience which is appears he might have, all the better. Are you better off today than you were 2 years ago? If you or Wilbon have to "wait and see" to answer that question, you are letting your feelings for The Danny cloud you judgement.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 6, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Notable picks round 4 and below (2000-2008):
Skins
*Sage Rosenfels
*Justin Tryon
*Anthony Montgomery
*Darien McCants
*Robert Royal
*Andre Lott
*Reed Doughty
*HB Blades
*Kareem Moore
*Kedric Golston
*Chris Horton
*Rock Cartwright

Broncos
Korey Lichtensteiger
Jack Williams
Marcus Thomas
Brandon Marshall
Elvis Dumervil
Domenik Hixon
Nick Eason
Sam Brandon
Ben Hamilton
Nick Harris
Cooper Carlisle
Chris Kuper
Spender Larsen
Chris Myers
Jeb Putzier
Kevin Kasper
Mike Anderson
Peyton Hillis
Monsanto Pope

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

You know what...

I'm not as concerned with the #4 pick as I am with the draft as a whole.

We need (3) O lineman minimum
We need a RB
We need a QB...I know ya'll like JC but perhaps he doesn't fit Shanahan's system
We need a Safety
We need shutdown corner opposite D-Hall
We need a MLB and SAM


We need speed!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I personally think Moss is a small receiver not used properly.

The guy should be in motion or placed in the slot a la Welker.

Otherwise in a world of A Johnsons, B Marshalls, V Jacksons, D Driver, S Rice, R Waynes, and D Jacksons, Santana Moss is very ordinary and easy to cover.

I think Shanny will make a cold decision regarding Kelly and Thomas: in year 3, one of these guys should be ready to 'step up'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 9:46 PM

Agree to a point.

Everything except Moss playing in the slot a la Welker. Moss is soft and shies away from the middle. He's a deep threat not a slant, hook, quick out guy. He's checks out of games as soon as the D rolls a safety his way.

I like him and would have to believe with his speed and shiftiness that he would excel in the slot , I just don’t think he’s that guy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"The most important player on our entire team is Santana Moss. When healthy, Moss is among the top 10 WRs in the league (and would be top 5 if he didn't have so many drops)."


It's a sad thing when your best receiver has so many drops.

I personally think Moss is a small receiver not used properly.

The guy should be in motion or placed in the slot a la Welker.

Otherwise in a world of A Johnsons, B Marshalls, V Jacksons, D Driver, S Rice, R Waynes, and D Jacksons, Santana Moss is very ordinary and easy to cover.

I think Shanny will make a cold decision regarding Kelly and Thomas: in year 3, one of these guys should be ready to 'step up'.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moss was a huge disappointment, and some of it is on him. The long pass he caught from Collins vs KC should have been a TD, but Moss stopped running, then had to extend to catch it. If he runs through it, TD. If all you see is the end of the play, it looks like Moss makes a great catch.

The other moment is when Moss spun the ball late in the 1st half vs the jints on Monday night in the 2 minute drill. His head was somewhere ... just not in the game. I get a feeling that happened a lot this season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"Please don't say the 6'6 205 lb Tony Pike. He is immobile, has a weak arm, plays in the spread, and should have been completely exposed to the amateur GMs on RI against the gators."

I must respond.

The Florida Gators are better than either of the teams playing in the National Championship game tomorrow night.

A legit playoff system would prove it.

They have made a lot of top players look ordinary over the past two years.

Carlos Dunlap toyed with Phil Loadholdt in the national championship game last year, and Loadholdt was stellar for the vikes this year.

Point is, T Pike will get a chance to play in the NFL this season.

If Pike--or another other college quarterback-- was surrounded with the speedy playmakers Tebow had, he'd show himself to be a much better pro prospect: B. Billick pointed that out three times duirng the game successfully.

And a guy who makes quick decisions with a 'weak' arm is better than a guy who holds the ball too long, but has a strong arm.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning both play in a spread-type NFL offense, so stop hating on it.

Which is why I think we all should learn the words to Boomer Sooner this spring.

Sam Bradford would be the talk of the draft had he not been hurt.

And if he's a redskin, I'll have no problem with that.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Moss was a huge disappointment, and some of it is on him. The long pass he caught from Collins vs KC should have been a TD, but Moss stopped running, then had to extend to catch it. If he runs through it, TD. If all you see is the end of the play, it looks like Moss makes a great catch.

The other moment is when Moss spun the ball late in the 1st half vs the jints on Monday night in the 2 minute drill. His head was somewhere ... just not in the game. I get a feeling that happened a lot this season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 9:57 PM

True dat

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"So let's not obsess over college quarterbacks just yet--although one should bedrafted."

Moe-

Which QB and which one of our 5 picks should we use?

Please don't say the 6'6 205 lb Tony Pike. He is immobile, has a weak arm, plays in the spread, and should have been completely exposed to the amateur GMs on RI against the gators.
Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse
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not to butt in, but I think he meant draft somebody after round 1. I personally wouldn't, but could live with that.

Posted by: AdamCr | January 6, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"Moss was a huge disappointment, and some of it is on him."

I think a change will be Moss in the slot and punt returning his priority.

Randle El is done as a redskin: thank you Jesus.

Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell and some other wide receiver (the Osgood kid from San Diego is quality and a FA) will be put in place to make plays as Shanny's guys are 'size guys' who fight for the ball: and win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

family, being together, helping dad. got it?

Posted by: Skins2 | January 6, 2010 5:31 PM

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family is family.

and business is business.

Posted by: Chia_Pet
_______________________
you are right; however, some are weak, they still think of themselves as human and not a business product. when there is hard time (firing of Shanahan in Denver) people, families come together. this is how I see little shanny working for papa shanny.

Posted by: Skins2 | January 6, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that the new HC may adopt a 3-4 D. Do we have the necessary peices? how much change are we talking about? what about AH, RAK? can we use them?

Posted by: Skins2 | January 6, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"not to butt in, but I think he meant draft somebody after round 1. I personally wouldn't, but could live with that."


That is what I meant.

If you take Okung or Spiller in round 1, taking Pike or McCoy later in 2 or 4 is a nice option.

That's what I meant.

I'm not dumb enough to where I think T Pike is round 1 talent, trust me.

The situation has changed in DC, so please forget all the old bets about drafted players we've all made in this blog.

And they'll change multiple times again before kick off next Fall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Suspended?!? Geez Leweez, it was just a joke….c’mon…..who up here hasn’t brought 5 unregistered guns to the office? Wow, some of these "suits" just don’t have a sense of humor.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 6, 2010 4:17 PM |

Whatever happened to good old fashioned towel snapping as a way of promoting locker room bonhomie?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"I read somewhere that the new HC may adopt a 3-4 D. Do we have the necessary peices? how much change are we talking about?"

Can we save this for tomorrow?

No.

Okay, imagine Jarmon/Daniels Haynesworth/Golston, and Carter/Orakpo as three down linemen.

(That's some nice mixing and matching of personnel, isn't it?)

That's Rocky, Blades, Orakpo/Wilson, and Fletch playing linebacker with Landry playing SS.

We'd need another fast linebacker to make it happen for plays where Orakpo subs in at DE.

But since we don't get turnovers, and are coming off a 4-12 season, I don't know why we can't experiment.

And we're not talking pure 3-4, just a front that attacks by varying personnal groupings, not the 'gap' responsiblity mess Blache features.

What do we have to lose when we are already losing?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The Florida Gators are better than either of the teams playing in the National Championship game tomorrow night.

A legit playoff system would prove it.
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Maybe, but the easiest way to implement a FBS level playoff is to have conference championship games for all major conferences

ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, SEC
with 2 at large from other conferences

Big 10, Big East, Pac 10 add teams to get to 12 teams.

Take 7 bowl games and make them into playoff, rotate game sites over the years like Superbowl

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

A BIG thanks goes out to yahoo, who has brought us ZEEK'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. I have enjoyed them all season. And a special "You go, Girl" goes out to zcezcest1 for your careful insights throughout the season. Kisses!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 9:35 PM |

If Yahoo! got wind of this there might be a brand name defamation lawsuit in the cards.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 9:58 PM

Moe, you're one of the more consistent, thought provoking, and entertaining people that waste countless hours a day on RI.

Of course Pike is a better pro prospect than Tebow at QB, however Pike wouldn’t have ever started for the Gators. The bearcats and gators run a completely different spread O. Pike wouldn’t have made it through spring practice running Meyer’s version of the spread.

What Tebow does on Saturdays doesn’t translate to Sundays and Pike doesn’t have a Sunday arm.

As far as Manning and Brady..Neither runs the Gators spread where the QB runs 20x per game or plays in the big east. Both Manning and Brady played in a pro style O in college. It’s worthless to mention in any argument about a QB’s potential when they’ve never played in a pro style O, or to compare then to two HOFs.

And Bradford in a word NO. Clausen is the better pro and I have no interest in either.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

don't see a 3-4 but I do see

Carter - Golston - Haynesworth - Orakpo

front 4

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen it reported here, and the photos from the press conference are inconclusive, but did Shanahan update his tanning booth setting from "Bronco orange" to "Redskin burgundy"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 5:24 PM |

Dude should have borried Broose's burg and gold striped tie.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

If you take Okung or Spiller in round 1, taking Pike or McCoy later in 2 or 4 is a nice option.

That's what I meant.

I'm not dumb enough to where I think T Pike is round 1 talent, trust me.

The situation has changed in DC, so please forget all the old bets about drafted players we've all made in this blog.

And they'll change multiple times again before kick off next Fall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2010 10:09

Oh I know, my question to you was...Which QB and what round. I was aware of you're fasination with Pike and nobody is talking about him in the 1st.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I think a change will be Moss in the slot and punt returning his priority.

Randle El is done as a redskin: thank you Jesus.


Posted by: MistaMoe |

Wonder how many Skins fans watched ARE break off that big return vs SD and thought "please don't give anyone a reason to keep you on as a PR!!!" Count me as one of them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking Antonio Brown from Central Michigan

watching the GMAC owned by the Feds Bowl

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

A BIG thanks goes out to yahoo, who has brought us ZEEK'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. I have enjoyed them all season. And a special "You go, Girl" goes out to zcezcest1 for your careful insights throughout the season. Kisses!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2010 9:35 PM |

If Yahoo! got wind of this there might be a brand name defamation lawsuit in the cards.

Posted by: LibertyValence

ZEKE does not live in fear, not sure about fredie

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

for a season and a half I've recognized our need for an O lineman, but towards the end of this year RB and FS looked like big needs as well.

I would take Okung or Campbell, but would understand Spiller (rb, kr, pr) or Berry/Mays, and will take anything but a QB, just like last year.

anyone but Dallas andanything but a QB (we do need a QB just not in the 1st)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

LeFevour has looked pretty good in 2nd half

probably moved up a round at least

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"I'm looking forward to working with him. I'm looking forward to sitting down, watching film, going through every play he's had throughout his career, and sitting down and talking with him, and hopefully the best years are ahead."

Mike Shanahan on Jason Campbell.

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This is somewhat short of a ringing endorsement.

Jason Campbell will not survive this process.

Watching film of every play he's had throughout his career?

JC has made some good plays, don't get me wrong

but my God.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

for a season and a half I've recognized our need for an O lineman, but towards the end of this year RB and FS looked like big needs as well.

I would take Okung or Campbell, but would understand Spiller (rb, kr, pr) or Berry/Mays, and will take anything but a QB, just like last year.

anyone but Dallas andanything but a QB (we do need a QB just not in the 1st)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 10:33 PM

Who are you? New year and suddenly I start to agree with you. Except Taylor Mays, he's going to be a stud but at SS. We need a FS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

noone, I heard the head of the BCS on the radio a few weeks ago talking about why they allegedly won't consider a playoff, and he said a bunch of crap about the "heritage" of the bowl system. And how that is what's special about D-I fubbal and it just can't change.

I was disappointed that the interviewer didn't ask him about the introduction of the BCS itself, which broke traditional relationships between some bowls and specific conferences, and the later introduction of the BCS Championship game, which goes even further to dissemble the way those traditional bowls are scheduled. I was disappointed because I wanted to hear that moron try and defend those changes even as he staunchly resists further changes...

And he said a bunch of garbage about how the scale of these playoff games would be totally different from the scale of NCAA tourney games, as far as the logistics of ticket allocations and getting tens of thousands of fans from each team to each game site. He's right to some extent, but I think the rabid fatcat boosters of these teams would go hog-wild for a chance to see their boys partake in any round of a real tournament...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to comment on the whole 3-4 thing. First impression we don't have the linebackers to run a 4-3, how are we gonna run a 3-4? Heck, we converted a beast of a DE to linebacker. I hope Shanny and co. move Landry and Rak back into position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

scamp, maybe we should run a 5-2?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

scamp, maybe we should run a 5-2?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 10:46 PM |

Hmmmm....interesting

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

OMG it's like 36 degrees and dropping

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 6, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

So what? a DE takes out a TE or WR at the line and pancakes him?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

for a season and a half I've recognized our need for an O lineman, but towards the end of this year RB and FS looked like big needs as well.

I would take Okung or Campbell, but would understand Spiller (rb, kr, pr) or Berry/Mays, and will take anything but a QB, just like last year.

anyone but Dallas andanything but a QB (we do need a QB just not in the 1st)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 10:33 PM

Who are you? New year and suddenly I start to agree with you. Except Taylor Mays, he's going to be a stud but at SS. We need a FS.

Posted by: Diesel44

I had a 2 week vacation and that crappy season is over

I still think Portis has a couple good years left in him, Campbell is my favorite player, I'm pro Rodgers, and I loved Randle El's punt return against SD there were 2 key blocks from Sellars and zoAx, those were the only 2 key blocks for that unit all year and that's what happened.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to comment on the whole 3-4 thing. First impression we don't have the linebackers to run a 4-3, how are we gonna run a 3-4? Heck, we converted a beast of a DE to linebacker. I hope Shanny and co. move Landry and Rak back into position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 10:44 PM

I agree. We don't have the linebackers for it or the 2 necessary big DEs, unless you consider one of them the 36 yr old Daniels and the other one Golston. Carter wouldn't even see the field in a 3-4 formation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

You know what's funny...

We know good and well, QB talent can be found in the later rounds, but ya'll act like every 5th,6th, or 7th round QB have been Super Bowl QB's.

LET'S LOOK AT THE ENTIRE DRAFT RATHER THAN JUST THE FIRST ROUND PICK.

Defensive Tackle is not a big position of need, but if Suh is there...you gotta get him.

I would understand if ya'll said we shouldn't draft a QB because Campbell has been steady, but not great, but WE NEED A QB...just in case Campbell doesn't fit the system.

EVERY FIRST ROUND QB IS NOT A BUST!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

noone, I understand that's seriously bad news for frost-vulnerable crops. Oranges and such. Not good.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree. We don't have the linebackers for it or the 2 necessary big DEs, unless you consider one of them the 36 yr old Daniels and the other one Golston. Carter wouldn't even see the field in a 3-4 formation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 10:52 PM |

Especially since Carter was tried at LB in San Fran and that didn't work out so well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I like ARE, don't want to see him as PR, but he was effective as the slot receiver this year. It's not like we have to get younger at WR, and the man shows up every day. We're always worried about guys who are 'injury prone'.
Now, if there's some sort of weird contract clause that he has to return 72.3% of all punts, well, I cheer for the uniform, not the player.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

That's it, scamp, the key to the whole thing is that fifth guy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I still think Portis has a couple good years left in him, Campbell is my favorite player, I'm pro Rodgers, and I loved Randle El's punt return against SD there were 2 key blocks from Sellars and zoAx, those were the only 2 key blocks for that unit all year and that's what happened.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 10:51 PM

Never mind, you seem to be back in midseason form after that paragraph.

You have unconditional love for your favorite players and that is commendable.

Me thinks you should root for the uniform rather than a few overpaid and underperforming players.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

daggar, c'mon now, I thought we'd reached consensus that ARE is the new James Thrash. Don't be backsliding here, now.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has a lot of work to do. Let's hope he scouted the heck out of the college and pro ranks over the last year and has a long list of players he can get to start the rebuilding process.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

That's it, scamp, the key to the whole thing is that fifth guy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 11:00 PM |

Can you imagine, Carter bodying DeSean Jackson at the line? If he could get a hand on him DeSean might have to leave the game...again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

What we don't have for a 3-4 is a real NT type. AH could certainly do that, but you need to have a sub/replacement and we have no one else big enough to eat up a pair of blockers.
Fletcher is the classic 4-3 MLB, and I hope he's still got 3 good years left in him. They are set up with a solid d-line with good depth in each position. They have solid starters at all three LB positions, depth is the big issue.
They'd have a pretty long shopping list if they wanted to make the change, and I'd be a bit surprised if they bit it off this offseason.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm looking forward to working with him. I'm looking forward to sitting down, watching film, going through every play he's had throughout his career, and sitting down and talking with him, and hopefully the best years are ahead."

Mike Shanahan on Jason Campbell.

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This is somewhat short of a ringing endorsement.

Jason Campbell will not survive this process.

Watching film of every play he's had throughout his career?

JC has made some good plays, don't get me wrong

but my God.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Shanahan was HIGHLY complimentary of JC in his interview with Kelli Johnson.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I like ARE, don't want to see him as PR, but he was effective as the slot receiver this year.

Posted by: daggar

I think he'd have been better if he could concentrate on being a WR instead of doing PR. Plus he can throw the ball on the end around since he was a very good QB in college. ARE should have thrown 5 passes this year. He threw .... none. And got sacked once on the 2nd play of the year.

Career, ARE's passer rating is 153(!) on 25 passes. No question that was a weapon that Zorn decided he could save for a time when he really needed it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I think he'd have been better if he could concentrate on being a WR instead of doing PR. Plus he can throw the ball on the end around since he was a very good QB in college. ARE should have thrown 5 passes this year. He threw .... none. And got sacked once on the 2nd play of the year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2010 11:19 PM |

Ha, ARE didn't really spend any time on PR or concentrating on them. When he wasn't fair catching them he was dropping them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan was HIGHLY complimentary of JC in his interview with Kelli Johnson.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2010 11:18 PM

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Well he can't run him down completely.

and there is plenty to like about JC.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

They'd have a pretty long shopping list if they wanted to make the change, and I'd be a bit surprised if they bit it off this offseason.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:14 PM

Especially w/ only 5 picks. This would be too boring and take too many years for Redskins fans to accept and make that conversion to a 3-4.

Our current roster has 5-10 missed assignments a game in a basic base 4-3 that plays it's safeties 20 yds off the line and it’s corner 10 yds off.

I’m not opposed to a switch to a 3-4 but that would take more patience than drafting a QB with our 1st pick.

Could you imagine doing both…

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought we'd reached consensus that ARE is the new James Thrash.

When Thrash was fighting for reps with Reche Cladwell, and umm, those other justaguys we were running through the 53, he was a character guy we couldn't afford. With #11, #12, and #84 we have solid and young players. ARE is productive, I like him as #3 QB and someone that can help if -- god forbid -- our o-line doesn't get magically "elite" this offseason, and something like a Midwest-Coast Swinging-Gate PoleDance Wildcat offense.
I know Zorn didn't get the wildcat -- I think he thought it was cheating -- but it would've been an appropriate reaction to the fact that the oline couldn't give you a seven-step drop.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"...and we want to employ something like a Midwest..."

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

When shanny reviews film with JC will they have all 4 playbooks that were used?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan was HIGHLY complimentary of JC in his interview with Kelli Johnson.

He's got something that's a lot more valuable if he pumps it up than if he knocks it down.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

"I'm looking forward to working with him. I'm looking forward to sitting down, watching film, going through every play he's had throughout his career, and sitting down and talking with him, and hopefully the best years are ahead."

Mike Shanahan on Jason Campbell.

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This is somewhat short of a ringing endorsement.

Jason Campbell will not survive this process.

Watching film of every play he's had throughout his career?

JC has made some good plays, don't get me wrong

but my God.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 6, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse
__________________

Translation:

"All that time I spent in my office near Broncos Park, looking at film, scouting teams, watching Urban Meyer's squad play in Florida, I did not even have the Redskins on my radar. I have a lot of catching up to do before I am ready to coach here...."

Posted by: Xlnt | January 6, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

When shanny reviews film with JC will they have all 4 playbooks that were used?

Yes, but the constant theme will be "you have to get rid of the ball faster", to which JC will reply "I only count to two -- and I almost never get the second mississippi out".

Posted by: daggar | January 7, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I would be perfectly happy if we took Okung #4 then took someone like Jahvid Best in round 2, then drafted linemen and for depth. If we can trade Portis, Landry, or Cooley for more picks next year, we can trade up and get Locker, and draft for depth on the defense next year. Remember Shanny is here on a five year deal. Let's not blow our future with the same "Win Now" philosophy.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | January 7, 2010 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love how RI craps out on the day they could have enjoyed their highest traffic in 2 years. Dummies.

Anyway, I like the Shanahan hire for the most part. The only thing I'm concerned about is how he's going to get this team to even be competitive next year. The O-line is not only crap, but it's the antithesis of the type of lineman he used in Denver. His system tends to use smaller, athletic lineman and ours is old, huge, and slow. Doesn't exactly make for a seamless transition.

Keep JC, cut Portis, draft OL at #4. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Word is Shanny might be moving training camp back to Carlisle, PA. I can't even tell you how much I'd love that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm a little disappointed. Here we are two days into a new coach's tenure and he has yet to make a stupid comment: no maroon and black comments, no "stay medium" comments, no "I think he made good decisions" comments... I'm starting to long for the good old days...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Word is Shanny might be moving training camp back to Carlisle, PA. I can't even tell you how much I'd love that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

If they can do that I am 100% pro-doing it.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm a little disappointed. Here we are two days into a new coach's tenure and he has yet to make a stupid comment: no maroon and black comments, no "stay medium" comments, no "I think he made good decisions" comments... I'm starting to long for the good old days...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Can we ad no politics? I feel like the Global Warming debate will just make us all dumber.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

know Zorn didn't get the wildcat -- I think he thought it was cheating.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2010 11:38 PM

Yeah but he was all about the swinging gate fake field goal run a second time after a timeout play.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 7, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

aggar, c'mon now, I thought we'd reached consensus that ARE is the new James Thrash. Don't be backsliding here, now.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

How can that be when we all know that Thrash's key contribution was always special teams while ARE's special teams play is anything but... dump the guy!

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 7, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse


pabrian = Jason Campbell's agent?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

if what he's saying is wrong, then you gotta sign me up as his agent, too.

Posted by: ratay1 | January 7, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

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