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An Unrestricted Look at the Offense

Jason Reid analyzes the Redskins' offense.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 1, 2008; 12:50 PM ET
 
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JLAC was just asking a question with no question. I guess he was trying to lead Zorn one way to satisfy his (JLaC's) logic......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

UGh, looking at our offense right now should actually be restricted!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's my analysis: so far as I can tell, Midwest Coast equates to running the football, forcing the defense to stack the box, and then throwing short passes straight at the defenders who have come up to block the run. Wires are crossed, here...

Posted by: crashinghero | December 1, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope JLC put it to Zorn. I hope he asks why Heyer hasn't been given a chance to reclaim his starting spot with Jansen struggling. I hope he asks how Jim Zorn can explain less than 11 points per game in the last 4 games. I hope he insinuates that this team is headed home prior to the postseason. I hope he continues to ask questions that piss Zorn off like none other, so that hopefully it lights a spark under that "medium" mentality.

Posted by: psps23 | December 1, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

psp, mark it down, as we're in agreement on this.

Why hasn't there been any changes in the offensive, and by offensive, I mean, offensive game plan the last 3 weeks?

is there an offensive game plan?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

We started sucking when people used "midwest offense" so lame.....

Its chesepeake bay offense people!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

interesting, JC compared to Eli, less than 100 yds difference on the season, less than 4 points difference in rating, 10 tds to 4 picks for JC, 19 and 8 for Eli. Obviously the TD's are the biggest difference, but then if you scroll over Eli has been sacked 15 times, JC.....32, I wonder what this team's issue is?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Clarity:

Skins record vs teams with 8 or more wins
1-4

Skins record vs teams with 7 or fewer wins
6-1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

THis team won 2 games that it probably shoudn't (dallas and philly). Turn those around and you are looking at a 5-7 team, heading to 6-10 maybe? And that is what this team is. Make all the excuses you want, but they have a high of 29 points against the saints, have not won at home since arizona, and are getting more and more hurt.

Anyone who thinks this team is better is looking at the world through red and black colored glasses.

Posted by: Leeguru | December 1, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I only heard JLaC ask about JC trusting or NOT trusting 'certain young WRs' vs. other experinced WRs on the team....

I missed if they disscused Jansen.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

LET'S SEE WHAT COLT CAN DO!!!
Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 1, 2008 1:00 PM

Against the ravens defense? I think we would find out if it is actually possible to score negative points.......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 1, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Why do the Redskins INSIST on being a passing team? Their WR's are their weakness. There's no reason why they can't play offense like Tennessee.

Posted by: tbarz1 | December 1, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Lee,

Its maroon & black thank you very much!And while I probably agree with you...saying we won game we shouldnt have won is beyond dumb. We won them. Not a strong arguemnet there.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris, don't get me wrong, I was very happy they won, and they played great in doing so, I was just pointing out that those two wins make the record look better than it is. Just like the rams wins agains dallas and washington make them look better than they are. And I couldn't remember the colors. thanks.

Posted by: Leeguru | December 1, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I only heard JLaC ask about JC trusting or NOT trusting 'certain young WRs'

4th, what was the response to this??

I don't get why Betts didn't get more touches yesterday??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"THis team won 2 games that it probably shoudn't (dallas and philly). Turn those around and you are looking at a 5-7 team, heading to 6-10 maybe? And that is what this team is."

Posted by: Leeguru

I'm all for legitimate negative posting, but this is just illogical.

By that same token, this team lost 2 games that it should have won (STL and DAL). Turn those around and this team is 9-3, and headed to 12-4?

That's not what this team is.

This team is above-average, fringe playoff team that can play it close to most teams in the league, but will struggle against elite teams. And that's exactly what their record suggests, 7-5.

Posted by: psps23 | December 1, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't see this offense as having an identity.

Midwest Coast Offense = No Identity

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I see the Skins as having 4 distinct position issues. These 4 issues are the difference between the team being a fringe playoff team and a genuine playoff threat.

1. WR, we have only 2 but need 3
2. RT, Jansen isn't it, Heyer doesn't appear to be the answer
3. Middle of the o-line (hard for me to pick out if its Rabach, but there is a problem in the middle)
4. RDE, Andre Carter isn't it and Jason Taylor hasn't been a difference maker.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to apologize for the front office. WE all know how poorly they've drafted. But if you look at the rookie tight ends who have been drafted, none of the teams, save Dallas, have a pro bowl te on the roster. When you're playing with Cooley, you're not going to get a lot of catches. That being said, at this point, Zorn should go ahead and see what he has in Davis.

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | December 1, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

And I couldn't remember the colors. thanks.
Posted by: Leeguru | December 1, 2008 1:11 PM

You also couldnt remember they beat Cleveland at home AFTER Zona. And they are 7-5. if they were 5-7 and ended up 6-10, then thats who they'd be. Instead, at worst, 7-9...

Posted by: Club320 | December 1, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Tiny Bit of News

The Bucs and Pats will play the London game next year on Oct. 25.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 1, 2008 1:09 PM

Tiny Bit of Ridicule

HA ha!

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

4th, you owe me ... as long as I hang on vs JohnD

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok,

They were soundly beaten by the Giants...no big surprise - that's what has happened to nearly everyone else who has played them the last several weeks, and we knew they weren't as good as the Gints as of now anyways.

The O-line has worn down. If they are knocked out of the playoffs before the last game, I'd like to see their 3rd round pick out there just to see what he can/can't do. Watching Jansen is painful, and Rabach can't handle the big heavys inside anymore. Having said that, they could have drafted nothing but O-linemen in this past draft, and it's unlikely it would have changed their circumstances this year - the starters didn't get hurt, after all.

This team should have drafted/picked up more O-line in previous years, no argument there. I don't have a real issue with their D-line work, since the stop the run very well, and have a few young guys who can play and some depth. Certainly I would like to see more of a pass rush, but there are very few teams fortunate enough to have lines that do both very well.

Overall, the D is good enough to contend.

The O is not. Drafting WR's wasn't a problem - they needed to get bigger and younger there, and they have (we will see if they can play over the next year) - but drafting a TE in the 2nd for me was a mistake. That could have been another O-lineman or LB, both positions of higher priority than TE.

Now, Cooley goes out with a knee injury next season, maybe I sing a different tune.

The Redskins will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs. They are a little to old to stay healthy for a full season, and the regression of the offense shows it. Now that they seem to have committed somewhat to a draft (I hope), maybe they will continue to get younger, and stay more fresh as the season wears on.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 1, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 1, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

They also beat Detroit thanks to a punt return for a TD. You can argue every game.

Posted by: Leeguru | December 1, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

ColumbiaUSKins,

The Jets actually have a good TE in Chris Baker, who they had just resigned. Also picked up Bubba Franks. And they still drafted Dustin Keller. Keller is now beast.

So of the three top TEs the dallas dude, Keller and Sleepy Davis...all went to teams with quality (Baker) to pro-bowl (cooley/whitten)TEs....

Can someone remind which two players are having signifigant impact on their teams, even with good players at that same position?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Last year we went into the off-season with a few basic and glaring needs: Improve our offensive and defensive lines, add another weapon on offense and maybe address our inconsistent punting.
So how did our GM do?
Front office defenders, show us what you’ve got!

Posted by: mack1 | December 1, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Greg - The reponse was a long winded run around to the point I forgot what the nonquestion question was.......

(Meaning nothing new here just the same ol same ol non execution of a play called)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

They also beat Detroit thanks to a punt return for a TD. You can argue every game.

Posted by: Leeguru

Exactly. Which is why there's no point in doing it.

They beat Detroit by 8 by the way. The punt return wasn't necessary to victory.

Posted by: psps23 | December 1, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Lee, the problem with that logic is, that its still a win. You can shoulda, coulda, woulda your self blue, what matters is W's, and L's. Close is for horseshoes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd feel AOK if the SKins went 9-7 this season. They are a 9-7 team. If they went 10-6, even if they missed the post-season, I'd be really pleased.

The thing is that I've been watching other NFL teams play against each other also. Many of those teams with better records? Its because they are better teams. The teams with worse records? They aren't as good as the Skins.

Skins are a very good team ... better than more than half the teams in the NFL. I'll just leave it there. I like 95% of the roster. I manlove about 5% of the roster. Two guys are on my poop list ... but they each have four games to redeem themselves.

At this point, more than anything else this season, I just want to beat Philly at FedEx ... and that game is so far away from now ... in the meantime, I'd like to be entertained.

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

shaun -- so correct. Two drafts ago, I suggested they use EVERY pick (other than our round 1 pick where you go for a major stud, less on need) on OL.

Why? Because the line was getting older.

Instead, of the last 21 picks (06-08) ... only 2 are OL. Reinhart and Lefotu

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks.....oh well.

mack, I don't think anyone on here is a as you put it, "front office defender", what I am is I try and be logical.

Like for example, calling a rookie a 'bust' at this point, is not logical.

Hope that helps.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Torrence level beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 1, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

All in all, I thought the Skins would be worse than 9-7 this season so I should not complain. Hrrrrrmph! Now, show me a team that plays with spirit the whole 60 minutes and I will not even clear my throat. What percentage of the game did the team play with any intensity? Less than 50% in my opinion. The coach may not have the talent but I expect him to get a serious effort from the talent he has. I want to see receivers fighting for every ball, I want to see special teams players going for broke on every play, I want to see lineman not wave at players they should have blocked and I want to see people who are paid to tackle not fall down with girly arm tackle attempts. I know that we played a better team yesterday but it seems some of the players had lost before they even set foot on the field.

Posted by: driley | December 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, you owe me ... as long as I hang on vs JohnD

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 1:18 PM

******Fantasy Post*******

I was going to mention this tomorrow, but.....

Thank you very much. You will hold on.

But I owe you nothing since I wacked off the Omaha Steaks Guy. Is Nate losing? I didn't look.

Sorry John. But I learned from Gibbs. The games are more important in the 2nd half of the season vs. the 1st Half. I think this week will be my 6th win in a row.........

*****End Fantasy Post*****

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Jason - it wasn't the draft that was the problem of the offense. That's a bit too high level an answer. It was a combination of things - bad execution by the offense as a whole, bad and overly conservative game plan (playing not to lose), half speed Portis, weak offensive line (especially Jansen, who should not be playing), weak group of wide receivers (except for Moss), mediocre QB who is still learning the offense and who may not be a really good fit for it (note the time it takes for a short slant), not using Devin Thomas at WR (who has game breaking ability), using Yoder instead of Davis (more of an offensive threat), using Thrash at WR, all against a superior defense.

Posted by: ipesq | December 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I see the Skins as having 4 distinct position issues. These 4 issues are the difference between the team being a fringe playoff team and a genuine playoff threat.

1. WR, we have only 2 but need 3
2. RT, Jansen isn't it, Heyer doesn't appear to be the answer
3. Middle of the o-line (hard for me to pick out if its Rabach, but there is a problem in the middle)
4. RDE, Andre Carter isn't it and Jason Taylor hasn't been a difference maker.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Its Rabach.

Posted by: redskinsgirl | December 1, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I have said for YEARS that Cerrato is one of the worst evaluators of talent in the NFL. He's the guy that brought in all these aging stars or one hit wonders that never pan out. He's the Norv Turner of the NFL front office world. A world were being inept gets you promoted.

As for on the field: both lines stink. They have almost zero pass rush on defense and can't stop my grandmother from sacking JC on offense. And we have one good receiver out of four. How many balls were dropped yesterday? Hit that rookie in the numbers..THE NUMBERS!
You know who I feel sorry for? Mr. Portis, Mr. Fletcher, and Mr. Moss. Such talent and surrounded by underachievers.

Posted by: shanevasquez | December 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Sitting in cold, rainy FedEx full of Giants fans putting off the drive back to Jersey, the thing that bothered me most was some booing I heard behind me. This isn't Philly and blame is worth about as much as bull ish. Sometimes I think all the love in DC amounts to a whole lot of pressure. And it always seems to come down real hard on everyone when we lose. God bless CP at half speed or any speed. And good for Fletcher, takin off the boot and playing like a beast just to put it right back on. A lot of guys put out that good fight. We just didn’t win it.

They were stopping our run AND getting to Jason too quick. I’m a fan, not an analyst or a coach but I think those two observations are facts rather than criticism… All it means to me is some guys who were fighting hard just have to fight harder this Sunday night in Bal’mer if we're gonna win this game. Jansen, Thomas, Rabach, Kendall, Samuels, Fabini and Heyer – go get em boys. Keep Campbell’s back off the grass and move some bodies for Clinton. You know our guys can light it up with the chances. (But it’s tough to “execute” without those chances). Defense, lay that wood and let it loose like Sean on every hit. (And hopefully Hall keeps smelling blood for a few picks of the rookie Flacco.) Everybody’s just got to do their part... cliché or not… I’ll be doing mine, sittin in those purple and black stands, wearin a burgundy and gold “Dirty 30” jersey. Rain or shine, win or lose, Hail to the Skins!

Posted by: BayTimer410 | December 1, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

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